"THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD -Pt.1" Recap!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
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Speaker 1 (00:45):
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(01:26):
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Speaker 4 (01:28):
I suppose and listen.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
This is super exciting because, first of all, happy twenty
twenty six, And second of all, this is officially our
first episode of season three of the Little House on
the Prairie the fiftieth Anniversary Podcast. And as we were
just talking about, we thought we'd only be doing fifty
episodes total for this entire thing.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
So this has been fun. This has been fun. Let
me introduce you guys. You know him.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
That's right, She's our prairie bitch. We love her so much.
Alison Arngrim is here and our hashtag imaginary boyfriend keeping
it real. It's Dean Butler. Hi, guys, Happy new year.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
Hello everybody?

Speaker 6 (02:09):
How is it twenty?

Speaker 5 (02:10):
Good day?

Speaker 4 (02:10):
From Oh yes? Do ignor?

Speaker 6 (02:13):
How was it season three? How is it twenty twenty six?
Why am I old? What happened?

Speaker 4 (02:18):
I don't know what happened?

Speaker 1 (02:20):
It was like I.

Speaker 6 (02:21):
Don't know nineteen eighty seven five minutes ago.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Wasn't it?

Speaker 4 (02:25):
I say, where where did it go?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
I especially feel like since two thousand until now, like
the past twenty six years.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Is all a total blur.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I can't tell you the difference between two thousand and
four and twenty and fourteen, or it all feels like
just one giant blur, which is weird because a lot
of life happened during that time.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
And anything after twenty twenty we now just talk about
before twenty twenty, after twenty twenty, and people talk about
when things happened to I have no idea what you're
talking about before twenty twenty or after. Hey, great, yeah,
you just put in one of those two slots, because
I have no I wonder if.

Speaker 7 (03:03):
It's because our media landscape has become such a there's
so much we used to used to look forward to
Septembers with the start of the new television. You know,
you have those sort of the new the new car
models came out, the new television season, football season, these things. Well,
television is such a huge cultural yeah, and it all

(03:25):
I mean, yes, there is those that premiere time happens
each year, but it's not the big deal of it.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
That appointment to me is not doesn't exist, just.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
Nothing content, That's what it is.

Speaker 6 (03:41):
Move the move, the award shows.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Move.

Speaker 6 (03:43):
What are the Oscars?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
They always be around my birthday in March because I
remember like the same, and then they moved them to February.
And then I just read they're moving the Oscars in
another year or two to like YouTube, Like it's not even.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
First means first, I think, But the Emmys are like,
oh yeah, yeah, we're going to YouTube. Everyone's going to
because the.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
There nobody.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
I mean, that is truly an end of an era.
That is an end of an era.

Speaker 6 (04:14):
The whole concept.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Okay, who runs Miss America's it's Miss America on the
TV anymore?

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Now?

Speaker 1 (04:18):
That was a huge things.

Speaker 6 (04:22):
Parties, Beauty Paget.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yes, yes, we will get together, even.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
If we got to give it to and you imagine
the commentary coming.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Creek and everything, but you'd watch it. I'm still mad
they took Las Florista's Ball off the TV. You know
they still have it, It still goes on. It's just nobody,
nobody cares and nobody tapes it. But Los Florista's Ball
was right up there with Rose Parade and Miss America.

Speaker 6 (04:47):
Sort of a combo with the two.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
It was like the Rose Parade. Different cities were represented
by giant sort of float things made of flowers, but
they were on people's heads. These women went up the
aisle with these giant style platforms size of coffee table,
you know, on her head with you know, and now
Miss Monruvia with you know, basis a bridge some flowers.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
Yeah, it was the best show ever. And that's not.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
On Yeah, no, all of the award shows, all the pageants.
Pageantry is dead apparently, and they won't run any of it.
And now they're even saying Emmy's and Oscars are going
to have to go to YouTube. And I remember a
friend of mine, maybe a little older, said, oh, how
will they get the numbers? Well, it will be more
of them than.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
There will be there actually will be. Yeah, on YouTube,
that's true.

Speaker 7 (05:34):
I just say, just a cultural marker. I judged Miss
America in nineteen.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Eighty one, Yes, Miss America, the Big.

Speaker 7 (05:44):
Yes, in nineteen eighty one when I was what was
I twenty five years old?

Speaker 8 (05:51):
Fun?

Speaker 7 (05:51):
I mean, no, what a feast that way.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
No male, straight male twenty five year old should ever
be judging a beauty.

Speaker 7 (06:08):
I'm telling you what a field day that week and
Atlantic City was for me, that was like beautiful. I
mean why, I just I can't go into detail about
how great that wash.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
There's some rendezvous happening. Oh my god, he's not talking.
He's sipping the tea. He's sipping the tea.

Speaker 7 (06:32):
Because I I'm not spilling the tea.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
He's sipping the tea.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
I judged a runner up for I judge one of
the cities or something that was going to be Miss America,
Miss California.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
I judged some regional thing.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
I was on a panel and they had like this
list of things like the distance between the shoulder blades.
It was bonkers. They had a list of things you
were supposed to look for, and I went, I don't
think anybody's looking at that.

Speaker 7 (06:58):
I think, yeah, we have such a different I mean,
it's such an anachronistic it's horrible.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
It's it's such another time.

Speaker 7 (07:08):
And yeah, you I just don't think you can get
I mean there's still look, there's still miss Universe that's
still going on. I think that other parts of the
world there's still an openness, yeah, people to all of that.
But I think it's it's much more challenging in the
US to do that and to put women in those
situations today, and.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
They just won't do it, and good for them.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
And it's not a scholarship programs used to say that
there was a lot of scholarship money.

Speaker 6 (07:36):
Yeah, a lot appointment TV. Nobody.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
You don't invite all your friends over and make popcorn
and go, oh my god, you know what's on.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
That's because I got rid of the talent section. And
once they got rid of the talent section of Miss.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Watch It, I.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Thought there was I think the swimsuit I think went
away after the talent If you don't have the talent,
and what's the point of watching any of this?

Speaker 5 (08:02):
Because I think we can spend an hour talking about this.
Were talking about in the prairie, let's get into I'll.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Bring it back to the prairie, being that prairie brought
took you. The link between prairie and the Miss America
pageant for you is only one degree of separation. So
that's weird, But that's how we bring it back to
little House on the prairie, all all the benefits of
the prairie. There you go. Nineteen eighty one, Dean was
it eighty one.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Is that what you said?

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Eighty one?

Speaker 7 (08:30):
Okay, eighty one, Well on the board walk in Atlantic City.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
But let's get on. Let's let's move on.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Keep coming back to let's get that image out of
our heads. Everybody here we go.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
But I dream about it.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
I bet you do. Okay, all right, back to the Prairie. Now,
let's keep it clean.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
So we started this podcast at January twenty twenty. No
end of twenty we.

Speaker 5 (09:02):
Started I think in December of twenty.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yes, yes, yes, so so here we are beginning of
twenty twenty six. We are. This is episode eighty. We
have done eighty of these. This will be our eightieth
episode and you know, one million downloads.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
Not too bad, not too bad.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
And we have an exciting year ready for you, guys,
and thank you for being here with us always. So yeah,
let's make a little house forever, as they say, as
they say, Alison.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
I think we should just jump right to the title. Pamela,
we stalled. Let's get into this all right.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Listen, we vamp for days.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
We say what we're doing. I have to say from
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on the Prairie fiftieth Anniversary podcast, Da da, Okay, we're back.

(10:15):
I think we were all sick. I was sick of
December terribly to get the thing.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
The thing terrible.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Everyone was sick, but anyway, sinuses too. It was all sinus.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
It was like four weeks of non time.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
And there's some people saying, oh no, it's a head
called not ad.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
It wasn't called of doom.

Speaker 6 (10:33):
But then you have this weird exhaustion.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
And icky thing.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yes, that's what I had for four weeks. Terrible okay,
feeling human again and feeling human again, And we decided
to pick an episode that was like, let's start this
season off with a banger. It is a fan favorite,
one of the most loved episodes of all time. Dean,
which episode are we talking about today?

Speaker 7 (10:58):
So we're talking this is an interesting the way this aired.
I was not watching at that point, Alison, you may
have some recollection of this, but today we're talking about
episodes thirteen and fourteen. It really played as a two
hour but it was episodes thirteen.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
And fourteen Season one. Today is my chef?

Speaker 7 (11:19):
Sorry, what was that we're just doing part one one one, right,
But it all aired on the same night. It all
aired on December eighteenth, nineteen seventy four. But you know,
this was occasionally done.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
It was too thing where you would but I.

Speaker 7 (11:39):
Don't think it was broken with new titles. I just
I just but but now others would have a better
recollection of this. But the way this is streaming, it
streams as one event, but they call it episodes thirteen
and fourteen. It debuted on December eighteenth night, teen seventy four,

(12:01):
so the week before Christmas where we did Christmas on
Plum Creek. Let me talk about there was some emotional
impact in that two week period on the Little House
in the Prairie. This episode written and directed by Michael Landon,
and this is one of absolutely one of the quintessential

(12:22):
Little House episodes.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
So, Alison, what's part one about?

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Such a Michael loveson? And you know, I stayed up
last night and I watched both of them together. But yes,
and of course on Amazon where I was watching, it
was like one and then they went and to they said,
they said it was a separate episode. They did it
with separate titles with Peacock.

Speaker 7 (12:40):
Yeah, oh really, okay, Oh, I watched it on Okay, interesting,
I watched it on Apple TV and they put it
together as one episode, but they say it's thirteen and fourteen,
but they stream it continuously.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Well, what I did notice was that when I started
episode four to the part two, the title card did
not did not say part two.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
It's just that the Lord is my shepherd. Interesting.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
Understand why that's interesting?

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Okay, Yry Alison go on.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
So this is thirteen fourteen of season one, and this
really set the tone. I really did set the tone
for the whole show. This was the for a dramatic episode.
This is what you were going to get, A little
house in the prairie, stuff like this. This was the
being directed by Michael and it shows well afraid that
her new baby brother will replace her in pause affection
of super jealousy, Laura refuses to pray for him when

(13:31):
the infant becomes ill. When he dies, oh no, this
episode is not upsetting at all. Yeah at all. Es
we dies. She's overwhelmed by guilt and the end of
part one decides what she's going to do to make
up for her lack of prayers.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
She writes the notes and leaves her.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
New friend helps her deal with her feelings and makes
your special wooden crust with that's more than.

Speaker 6 (13:55):
Part two two two, it's part two.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, she runs away from home and and it's turned
his Boord nine and it's awesome.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah, I left that.

Speaker 7 (14:01):
I left that in there, but it's yeah, it's really
I think because I didn't see the break and you
did last night as I watched this interesting that we
can watch the show and three different platforms get three
different experiences of exactly how it's laying out.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
This is the this is the reality of our world
that we live in today.

Speaker 7 (14:19):
So I'm thinking that the end of the episode was
actually when she goes out the door and Jack is
left there by the fireplace, that's the end of the
and you see.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Her walking towards the mountain, you know the mountains one.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
I think we're already into part two with that.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
No, it ends well on people.

Speaker 7 (14:39):
Okay, that does make more sense because now we know
that there's what's up and where that's going.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
Okay, got it. So the search for Laura has begun
before part one ends.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Well, no, they haven't, I don't think discover they haven't
discovered that she's missing yet.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
We just leaving.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
Oh see, that's not that is not the way it's cut.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Might wrong.

Speaker 9 (15:03):
I might.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
I might be messing that up.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
I might.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
I might be messing that up.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Don't don't hold me to that, please.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
I won't end up in raiy jail.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
According to my notes, it's all that best day ever stuff.
At the end of one and part two starts, she
writes the.

Speaker 7 (15:24):
Note, also, really that's what I have. Oh that's interesting, okay,
I mean that makes sense. I was just looking at
the timing of that.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
I mean at the way it's streamed.

Speaker 7 (15:38):
I was looking at sort of forty seven minutes to
be the break point between the episodes. But there could
be some edatorial that's going on.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
I don't think that's how it is, unpeaceed, okay, because
that would make sense that we do. The episode is
about the baby dying.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
And our patrons know the answer to this question.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
They're all laughing, and then she's like, well, that's great.
The second episode is about her running away and fine
should be there.

Speaker 6 (16:05):
I'm gonna go with it.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Also, whether I was watching it, they cut a scene
in part two. They cut a scene in the river.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
And Part two okay, well we'll get to that.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
Now we've done the whole thing. Thanks everybody. We'll see
you next.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
I see next a year. Can I Can I tell
you something though?

Speaker 3 (16:23):
I mean before we get into like the episode episode.
So before I started watching this, I was like, you
know what, my kids have never seen this episode. This
is a musty episode. Let's do like, let's sit down,
let's watch it together. And Margo did. Margo seven, she
sat down with me. But Henry, who's fifteen, he's a
sophomore in high school. He he was doing homework. He
was like, Mom, I can't, I can't watch it. And

(16:43):
I was like, okay, but his room is next to
the TV room, right, so we're watching it, and of course,
like Margo's going they have another baby, yeah, and then
she's like the baby died, like she.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Had no she was shocked.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
And Henry would kind of walk in every now and
then and be like what's happening? Okay, and then anyway,
fast fast for it's ten o'clock. Henry comes into my
room and to say good night, and we're snuggling with
the dog, and he's lying down on my bed and
he's snuggling with me and he goes, isn't it nice
that first of all he still snuggles with me?

Speaker 4 (17:14):
But second of all, he goes, he goes, so, uh,
that episode seems pretty interesting, And I.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Was like, yeah, it's really good, and he was like, yes, so,
uh what happened in that episode?

Speaker 5 (17:31):
I think it's cool that he's asking the question. He
was really great, he was.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
He was totally intrigued because he you know, he walked
in on a very dramatic part. You know, he sees
a baby is dead, and he's like, what what?

Speaker 4 (17:43):
What is happening on the prairie?

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Anyway?

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Shall we start? Shall we start? I took my own
little divert.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
No minute, have already been starting, of course, But do
we want to recap?

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Recap?

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Like, are we starting at the beginning or do you
just want to talk about stuff as it comes up?

Speaker 7 (18:02):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (18:02):
I think we should. I think we should start, for
this is the wind up to this is longer than
I had remembered it.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Yeah, than the actual event.

Speaker 5 (18:15):
Yeah, I mean it's uh, but I think that's.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Good because when the baby gets sick and when the
baby dies, we are not expecting it unless you know
historically that the ingles actually did have a son who
actually died, but which you.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Don't know because it's not in the books. And I
guarantee you, in the seventies most humans did not know.
It's not in the books because Laura didn't want to
talk about it because his family is dead. Thus stated
Ma was still in mourning. Forty years later, they were devastating.
People like William Anderson knew, People who were historians knew,
the librarians knew.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
I didn't know it.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
For sued I thought maybe they made it up. Laura,
sure as heck, what baby brother. She did not talk
about that in the books because the family was still
upset about it.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
But it really happened. But how many people seventy four
knew that.

Speaker 7 (19:04):
As an historic As an historic matter, child mortality was
so common, of course then, I mean, this was a
this was a very different. Now it's really shocking when
we lose an infant, yep, But then it was very,
very common.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
I think it was five, six, seven, eight children.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
I mean, because if you were lucky, half of them survived.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
In fact, infant mortality a fact four was approximately twenty
five percent, or one in four babies. Really, mister in
the eighteen seventies somewhere around Becaulse. Also keep record keeping
was between one hundred and fifty to two hundred children
died per one thousand in the US, about a one

(19:48):
seventy five ish, so about yeah, out of one thousand,
so yeah, about twenty five percent of children would die,
depending on inner cities more so poor family, these places
where there were a lot of disease when the real
kid not because like when this episode happened, I didn't
know that. They didn't make it up for the show
because I didn't know because went in the books and

(20:09):
nobody talked about this these years, like only hardcore historians
I'm sure Bill Anderson and some librarians and histories, oh yes,
the baby, But the average person in nineteen seventy four,
who'd maybe read the books if that what baby, didn't
know this happened. So this was brutal and of course
historically very accurate when the real you know, child died. Unfortunately,

(20:31):
they don't really know what happened he this one.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
He has a blood disease.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
It's like he's got leukemi Yeah, I was wondering if
we actually know.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
I mean both in the show are more importantly historically
what actually was in real life.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
They went to visit Charles's brother in Troy, Minnesota. They
were up towards Big Woods, and he got really sick.
Laura in her book even writes a heartrending, just crushing,
crushing line about that the little brother was always sick
and one day he straightened out his little body and died.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
Okay, so no, I'm sorry, So where was that?

Speaker 1 (21:11):
If you get a piner girl, piner girl?

Speaker 7 (21:13):
Laura's originally, oh, oh, got it, okay, because I knew
I'd read that very luck so all right, okay.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Later, but he was reading that then and it was
grew and apparently, I, having looked it up forty years later,
there was someone, a whole bunch of children in that
town where they were actually died like that same two weeks.
There was something going around. He apparently, according to Laura's
knows something about diarrhea, something about like a dysentery thing.

(21:40):
They don't really It's unclear where he's buried, because they
were visiting these people. There's no cemetery in that town,
and they.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
Buried along the road.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
They think he might be buried with the neighbor's children
because one of the neighbor's children died the same day, jeez,
and they had applauded a cemetery, so that he maybe
with them, sure, but a whole bunch of babies died
in that same like two week period. So indeed, there
was one of the many, many, many, many, many bazillions
of diseases that went around and killed people in the

(22:11):
eighteen hundreds. And that's that are.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Probably very very manageable today.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Probably well, yeah, I mean for Starters's diarrhea, which you
would be able to stop right today, right now. In
I don't if we're going to go in order, but
the historical things. So it starts great. I mean, it's
such a Michael episode that opens with that bird's nest thing.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yes, I know that symbolism.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yes, yeah, there are.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Guess there's epic moments that some of my favorite lines
of the entire series are, like.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
In this show, the best deals with you.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Pa and he us doing that thing. He's going to
carve a cupboard for someone. She's like, you've never even made, Like,
at the what are you talking about? That? I don't
know what to charge? And then he says he doesn't
even know what to charge because and Ma says, I'm
sure you'll carve better than you do business.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Yeah, burn burn.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
That she's feisty. She's pregnant and feisty. Oh. Also the
whole thing where that when usually announce her pregnancy, she
does not say it.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
She does not say it.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
This is nineteen seventy four, we filmed this. You were
absolutely okay to say pregnangnant, okav by nineteen seventy four.
The fifties and sixties was all sketchy. But you know,
after the sixties, after like all in the family that
pregnant was okay. In fact, it was like it was
a big deal that they mentioned that Lucy was.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
A child on Yes, that was like a landmark and.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
She said she was having a baby, and it was like,
I think they snuck at the word pregnant got used
once in like the early sixties. You couldn't say, you know,
we're expecting. Was like even pushing it and showing a
pregnant woman.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Was like, oh, we're not what is wrong with us?

Speaker 1 (23:58):
That that was really wrong? But mom Pa was sleeping
in the same bed by that. So it's seventy four
we're like and she you know, you can stay pregnant
and people by seventy four absolutely talking about that. She
does not she does not say so, she can't say anything.
She starts going, well, I'll be gaining weight, and he gets,
what are you talking about your old family's did you're
so tiny? Well there's one way, and then he does

(24:21):
that Michael Landon take that. We all love that look,
and she does the smile wink wink, wink, you mean yes,
he'll got pieces and I guess. And they never say
I am with child, I am pregnant. Nothing, just a baby,
that's it, which is brilliant that they took it all
the way back to like it's the nineteen forties or
fifties and didn't say, well, in nineteen seventy four, she

(24:43):
can say I am pregnant. They didn't. They went back
and made it totally unspoken.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
It was very sweet.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Loved it.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
It was also can I say just a little tiny,
quick personal story. It reminded me of when Okay, I
found out I was pregnant with Henry early in the
pregate and see like maybe I was two weeks pregnant
when I found that. Wow, maybe it was for both pregnancies.
Actually I found out immediately, but so it was so early.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
I was like, I'm not telling.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
I mean, I obviously my husband knew, but like I
was like, I'm not selling anyone anything. So we we
happened to be at going. We went to my parents'
house for dinner, and at the dinner.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Table, you know, they had wine.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
They had this beautiful salad that they made that had
feta cheese in it. These are two things I now
cannot eat right because you can't eat those things so
when you're pregnant. So we're at the dinner table and
they're like, here, honey, have some wine. I was like,
m no, dangs it and they were like, oh okay.
And then they're like here have the salad and I
was like no, thanks.

Speaker 9 (25:41):
I know they must have been really proud of this
salad because they were like, eat the salad and I
was like, no, I really don't want it, and They're
like the salad, Like they were really pushing the freaking
salad on me, and it was it was like they
were wearing me down.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
And I just sort of put my head down and
just and hell and I just sort of started.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Laughing and I couldn't.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
And then they realized, like you're you're pregnant and my
father had exactly the same reaction that Michael Landon had,
where he jumped out of his chair and just took
me by the face and it was just very sweet.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
I loved his reaction.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Michael Landon's a big faceholder in this big face. It's
so masculine. I love it the way he does it.
Of course, I wouldn't want any man to put their
hands in and that's why he Yep.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
We have a lot.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
We have some sexy, sexy pop stuff in the beginning
of this episode.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
I am sorry.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
I hate to bring it down to my level, but
oh my god, and I do not I did not
remember any I have. I don't think I've watched these episodes,
probably a decade or two, you know. Then it goes
straight to paw shirtless from.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Bed and it is there. It's too much, you guys.
It's it's so beautiful.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
He is in bed, he's maybe killed and stuff and
even honey, and he is so good.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
You know.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
I have no comment on this.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
I appreciate a beautiful man.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
You can't.

Speaker 7 (27:12):
No, I mean, look, yeah, no question, I mean that
was yeah, it was was really this was really a
lovely moment.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
I mean, it's a it's beautiful and.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Him you know, it's so interesting how that be shirtless?

Speaker 7 (27:28):
And yeah, no, it's also let's think about this, it's
also like heading into winter.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
It's probably it doesn't look like Little House is never.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
No, it's perpetual spring in whatever.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Unless it's a blizzard and then it's cold.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Right.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
But because the next week in the series was.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Christmas, well, right, so that made me wonder about the
time lapse too, because she says we're expecting in six
more months, so she's three months pregnant.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
So you didn't tell him for three months, right, totally, so.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
Which would have been sort of normal for today.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
So we just skipped the winter.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Is that what we're assuming? We just skipped over winter
and it's now spring or summer when the baby comes.

Speaker 7 (28:07):
That's because your looks, I mean you look at the episode.
It's clearly spring, right, things are rushing. Well, actually, depending
on where you are, it's beautiful. In when Laura goes
to the mountain, it's very dry.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
Well, so there's time passage. But if there's times very dry,
But if.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
It's spring and she's already three months pregnant, then they'll
make no sense.

Speaker 6 (28:33):
No, timelines are fluid.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
If you read the books, Laura never says her age
to like little town on the prairie. She has birthdays
and you just go and how old are you?

Speaker 6 (28:45):
We're not going, it's what year is it?

Speaker 1 (28:48):
What day is it? How old is anybody? She goes
and then it was Christmas and it's like, really did
you the children didn't notice that it was diame right?
And so in the book she's like, I'm gonna nail
down any dates. That's sort of sticking to it.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
Actually, this is sort of a Galaxy Quest conversation.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
I love that they get straight to Paul with the
no shirt right after I swear to every woman in
America went and that's why she's pregnant.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Sure is, And I just didn't remember that part.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
So when it all of a sudden went from like
this touching scene to shirtless pots and and I don't
know there was I'll get off of this topic in
just one second.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
I promise you could stay with this really powerful stuff.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
It was like he was on his side.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
It wasn't just like just out to the wind. It
was like it was particularly intimate and very secy sexual.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
The interaction between them.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
They're super super young in love couple all through this.
He's so pretty in this, he is so handsome in this.
They really go with the and they're so in love.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
You're like, of course they're having a baby.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, the children by now for sure.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Also interesting though there's a lot of and I again
watching this as an adult and as a mom today
in twenty twenty six, totally different experience than watching it before,
but also interesting about like the gender discussions that they
have in this episode too. You know, at the dinner
table and he keeps alluding to it, the baby is

(30:26):
a he he he, And she says something like I'd
be more he said it. You know, I'd be upset
if he called me and if you called me an it.
And she said, I'd be more upset if I was
a girl. And they called me a boy. And I
was like, oh wow, well that's a conversation. And then
the other thing was and then Laura wanting to be
a boy like that conversation of her, Well they call

(30:47):
me a tomboy, I'm much more like a boy.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Right, I'm a boy. Right, I'm a boy.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
And it was like, my god, this is this is
really intense.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Laura was the son, their relationship, and that's him coming
up again. Laura was sort of like Paul's son in
this pooky way, and she knew she's gonna be displaced
and but like, Okay.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
One of the things I heard about that it was
was that, okay, there is.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
That thing where a lot of guys really do they
really do go just I'd like a boy. I just
really want a boy. I want At one point when
she says with the baby, when he says he's beautiful,
and she goes, well, he's you. People want to see themselves,
The moms want to see a little girl. There is
that guys do want to see themselves.

Speaker 6 (31:25):
Want that happens. There are guys who girl.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
So women don't want to see themselves and they do
they want a little girl?

Speaker 6 (31:33):
Do they want to see themselves?

Speaker 7 (31:35):
Do?

Speaker 4 (31:35):
You don't know.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
If you've ever seen on like social media, they'll be
like these trending montage videos of these gender reveal parties,
which which I've done parties anyway, parties where they find out,
you know, they burst the balloon or they open the
cake or whatever it is and it turns out that
they're having and they find out that they're having a girl,

(31:56):
and the reaction of the husbands finding out that it's
a girl is so disgusting, and divorce is what it is.
It's a divorce making no no, no, honest to God,
women out there, anyone, anyone, women, men, whoever you are,
anyone who is with the partner who has that horrible
kind of reaction to finding out they are having a daughter,

(32:19):
get run away, run the run.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
I'm hoping many of them are staged for effect. Many
are staged or like fake, but they're often young kind
of not to break guys and yeah, your wife is
announced he's having a baby, and you're finding out it's
a boy or girl, and all the in laws are
there and there's cameras and they go, it's a girl.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
You don't go damn it and walk out?

Speaker 4 (32:45):
And do you have to be like they're always the.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Stage, none of them stage for effect.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
But there's people are like that weird.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
I think they're Yeah, there.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Are normal people who like just God, like a boy
and like a girl.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
That's really common.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
But it is good that he did not call the
baby an in because you can go talk to her
psychologist friend, tell the parents are calling the unborn baby
in it there's something the matter saying my baby, our baby,
the baby he or she she? She she he, he's
switching it up, or just even said well.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
When the baby gets here?

Speaker 1 (33:25):
When when? Or when my son my daughter, or or
maybe they picked a name, when Nathaniel arrives. That's how
people who are normal and want their baby and love
their child talk the baby, my baby, that's you.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
And I think Michael just does what he does for
clever wordplay.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
But that's also said he.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
But it is weird. Nobody says it.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
That's why she's like, well, you know, don't be I'm
not gonna say it.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
It is weird.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
And apparently Corner psychologist statistically, if you have a parent
or father who's like who continuously like way past it,
like when you are you know it's a boy, girls, yeah,
you might want to run for the hills. This is
so who is not They are not emotionally meant that attaching,

(34:13):
they're not investing, they're not getting it.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
It's your baby, it's not in it, it's your baby.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
There's something a screw is loose because nobody calls their
own kid it hus don't they say the baby the baby?

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Now listen.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
There's there is nothing wrong with maybe going hey, maybe
this time it could be fun to have a boy,
since I already have three girls.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
That's totally understanding.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
She brings up the neighbors who remember they had twelve
girls whatever, right, right.

Speaker 10 (34:46):
Right, it's still a random Yeah, uh, these are these
are really never thought.

Speaker 7 (34:57):
No, no, I mean I'm sure, I'm sure fuffled here
because this is like I'm not as I'm watching this,
I'm not ascribing, and this is Pamela.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
You'd say, well, you're just you're just a man.

Speaker 8 (35:10):
Man.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
This is the way you watch this.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
This episode is also very very very written by a man.
We love you, Michael Landon. But we'll get to the
labor in a second.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Go on and continue.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
Deec I thought she did that really really well.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
She did, but not a single part of it is
realistic at all. It is a screamless natural birth. It
is a screamless scream.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
She's had three kids, and I have a friend who
had her baby in the front of a car. She
had a couple of kids. So yes, normally chowperth takes
longer and is much more painful involve or yelling.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
And so that was the eve you're gonna make a
little peep.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
She was sweat to the tossled hair and looks fabulous
while you were giving birth TV birth so that I
would have to look fades.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
It's sort of like the episode off and now. Another reference.

Speaker 7 (35:58):
It's the episode of Friend Ends where Rachel was waiting,
you know, for her baby to be born, and the
woman comes at the Asian woman comes in and she's
having you know, cramps, and it's just like this little squeak.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
Yeah, there's people who are I know, if you.

Speaker 7 (36:13):
Know that episode one of the funnier it's the episode
where what's you know, the where the wife the other
wife's is talking about you sick baster.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
I mean, you know that episode. It's a wonderful episode.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
It makes sense he got to the tossle and they
were like running out like you and she goes, I've
got this. I've done this a couple of times. And
because she was so having it by the time they
hit the parking lot, she went, hang on a minute,
didn't have to just like open the car door and
stand back practically, and she was like really ready, I
don't know, she says, she said, no, I mean yes,
she was having absolute contractions and probably said ow a

(36:53):
few times in the car, but the actual birth was
hold on them whoa, hey, yeah, okay, there's a baby,
and there are people.

Speaker 6 (36:59):
Just go whoo and it does happen.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, So there are people who don't really have been
and they just so.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
So maybe that is MA, but I was thinking there
has It is very very quiet in this room, very quiet.
The slap of the baby's butt is louder than anything
else coming out of that out of that labor room. No.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
They have a lovely conversation about though that it that
it hurts, and the girls go yet it is like, yes, it.

Speaker 5 (37:24):
Is nineteen seventy four. It is family, our telegon, I know.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
And it was very sweet all of that.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
Yes, that's in play here.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yes, And I loved his nervousness waiting with the girls.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
Very sweet.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
It's all very sweet. A. Yeah, they're separated by a curtain.
They're going to hear everything farm.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
They know where babies come, thy come hurry, And they
allude to that a little when they start talking about
like Mary's like, well, well and Lord goes not when
my pony was born.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
Yeah right right right, and the hurts and.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Would have been there for Laura's birth and for Carri's right.
They know, but Paul, ahead of his tongue, he totally
wants to be. They have to throw him out. He
was going to stay through the whole birth and hold
her hand. He was going to stay.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
He's there through the whole labor, and she actually said no,
really go.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
He was ready to be the modern eighteen seventies dude
and hold his wife's hand and stay the whole thing,
when in that time period sometimes guys left the building.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
And I mean that was until the nineteen seventies, was it.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
I cannot, I cannot.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
I cannot fathom the idea that the man left his
partner who was having the baby to go through this
very tough experience without him. And also that men had
no idea what women actually go through, right, which is important.
They should know what women actually go through.

Speaker 6 (38:51):
Also, Paul game.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
On, Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe I need to do a
little repair around the house. It just got something. Just
take care of you, do what you need to do.
I'm gonna do what I do not understand.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
And I felt this the second I had my first child.
The first thought that came into my mind was I
cannot believe women do not run the world. After what
this this is, This is insane, This is insane.

Speaker 7 (39:24):
Women do run the world. In a different way. Women
do run the world. It doesn't look like it because
that's just but I think women do run the wa.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
And then pretend that they don't be that's it. Boom,
there it is, you know, and Paul ahead of time
crime medically again ahead of his time. He says like, oh,
boy girl, but then he says like yeah, which it
starts laughing about the idea of even suggesting that it
is up to the mother. Now, the idea that it
was the man who whether there's boy or girl. Women

(39:58):
only have the exex said. The mother does not make
the baby male or females.

Speaker 6 (40:03):
She has nothing to do with it.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
It's all on the guy whether you produce boys or girls.
And it's really random.

Speaker 6 (40:09):
That wasn't really.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Fully understood in eighteen seventy four. Yes, if you were
in London or New York, et cetera. Maybe the doctors thinking.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
There he studied people understood that.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Then they now understood they didn't know chromosomes, and then
they did.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Not they were starting it's uh where in nineteen oh
six was when they discovered the whole x y wow.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
I didn't even know any.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Of that early. It wasn't until the fifties that it
was completely and widely accepted that it wasn't your wife's fault.
That it was like early fifties before they nailed that down.
But it's nineteen oh six before they even had a clue.
So in the eighteen seventies he could have totally said, honey,
make it a boy, and nobody would have thought he

(40:51):
was weird. But they're laughing, and she goes, yeah, I'll
do my best, and Paul clearly is not saying make
it a boy. He seems to understand that it has
nothing to do with her, which would be well about
about fifty years ahead of his time.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
Yes, that's okay, awfully.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Smart dude, because why isn't he saying, well, you know,
you've only had girls, so I guess you he No,
he's not hanging in on her at all, which totally
in eighteen seventies he would have been interesting.

Speaker 7 (41:22):
Pamela, I think when you take a little break here
from jump forward, because we are we are in a
whole like birthing thing here, then no, nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
I take the jump forward.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
I'm loving the medical facts and I'm loving the side stories. Okay,
and our viewers are with us.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
They know this episode backwards and forward.

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Speaker 4 (42:50):
Okay, we're back.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
So the baby is born, and Dean say what you
just said during the break to us, Well, so.

Speaker 7 (42:58):
I think, Michael plants little it's not because it's not
a happy yeah, he but he he foreshadows when the
girls and pau come in to the to the bedroom
area and Grace says, I don't want you getting too close.
We don't want too many germs in here, and the

(43:19):
lie just you know, there's nothing more is said about it.
But but that's Michael again, good writing, foreshadowing. If people
are paying attention, they know that something is coming.

Speaker 6 (43:34):
And moll the milk went to the mayor, why are
you boiling the milk?

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Because he wasn't taking the breast milk, so they had
to get the other month and their because of the germs.
Now again apparently the Ingles are getting medical journals from London,
New York caught off the press and to their house
that there is up on germ theory. Because although germ's
certainly been discovered before the eighteen seventies, the idea that

(43:59):
this was the makeup the miasma theory was still in
full effect in the eighteen seventies, the miasma theory. Remember
in the books, they thought like eating watermelon gave you malaria,
and like all these kind of waco cuckoo things. You
got sick because bad air, and it was, you know, miasma.

Speaker 6 (44:16):
There was fumes of sickness sort of.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
That was what people thought, and they were just breaking
out of that in the eighteen seventies. In eighteen seventy
four around there, that's when Louis Pastor, Lister, Robert, all
of them were just literally doing the work, publishing.

Speaker 6 (44:33):
The papers, going, look, it's a germ.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
That's why I germ.

Speaker 6 (44:36):
It's not magical fog.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
It's not watermelons giving you malarias. Germs they kind of
worked it out about like babonic plague. They'd like figured
that out smallpox, but even then they weren't sure why,
Like the smallpox.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
It was very weird.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
And in the eighteen seventy four, yeah, if you were
a doctor, got Baker would have known about germs, but
the average person in a small town in eighteen seventy
four probably didn't know that much about journals. They might
have said, you know me, miss Beadles said, there's a
man the scientist who says it's germs and not the
fog that bade us all them. I mean it was

(45:12):
a new thing.

Speaker 6 (45:13):
So for the English, oh.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah, we're boiling milkcause of germs and we're keeping the germs.

Speaker 6 (45:18):
My god, these people did they have degrees?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
They are interesting, really on it, because literally that stuff's
just being published in medical journals like that week.

Speaker 7 (45:28):
Now, wasn't the scene just before right in that area
where Doc Baker talks about the frustration of being a
country doctor and yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
So so the baby is so this scene where she
talks about the germs is that they're feeding the baby.
And I was also wondering, like, why isn't she breastfeeding
a baby? But I guess maybe the baby wasn't either
taking to the breast or wasn't here.

Speaker 6 (45:47):
Another one there was a cut scene or something because
I was I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
I was thinking, are they bottle feeding it? Shit happens enough,
he wasn't, right. Yeah, So then she's feeding him and
he's sucking down the milk. I mean, he's just like
inhaling the milk. And that's when she's like, wow, look
at this. But then we find out the baby's not
gaining anything. So that's the next Doc Baker visit where

(46:12):
he comes and he's like, something is definitely wrong. I've
seen this before. There kind of is no hope for this.
I don't know what it is. And yes, he exits,
and he says the line, sometimes a country doctor like
me feels so useless.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
Yes, exactly, true, true, true, And we start on microscope and.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
And the Angles spent a lot of time going to
specialists in the big city for a poor couple living two.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Rooms between just Mary herself.

Speaker 6 (46:45):
Right, well, we'll go call in a specialist who did
this back then?

Speaker 1 (46:50):
I don't think it really The Angles were off to
see a specialist that that that right, so and had
Ella insurance in eighteen seventy four.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Now, one thing that we have, one thing that we
have ail to discuss, which is a major, major, if
not the main plot point is Laura during this entire
episode and how she is not happy that Ma is pregnant.
She is not happy of the prospects that of it
being a boy because she instantly assumes if it is

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a boy, Paul will not love her anymore or not
as much as a boy certainly, and her again like
trying to convince Paw that she's more like a boy
than a girl. I mean, it's really psychologically fascinating what
this child is going through.

Speaker 6 (47:35):
Did your kids did? Was the jealousy because kids will
get jealous of the new baby.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Laura takes it to New Hut.

Speaker 6 (47:40):
She's really having a praud.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
She's having there's a regular Oh no, kids will regress
like the three year old wihack like a baby because like, oh,
they like the you like babies, I'll act, they'll like
act younger.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
Did your kids?

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Did your kids get weird?

Speaker 3 (47:54):
But okay, so there's an eight year age gap between
my kids. So by the time I had also, Henry
wanted a baby sister, like he wanted a baby sister.
He didn't want a baby brother. He wanted a baby sister.
So he got what he wanted. So no, but even then,
you know, the baby comes and the attention is on
the baby, and you think, okay, obviously I wouldn't blame

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him at all if there was some sort of transitional
period of wonkiness.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
But he never really did. But that's also just a.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Testament to Henry. He's just a really even killed guy.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
It's really rare. It's really rare.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
He's just a very chill person myself. However, I remember
thinking this as a kid, and even now if I thought,
like if my mom had said she was pregnant when
I was a kid, I would have not been happy.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
I would have been.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
I would have been super jealous or worried or worried.
I would have been worried, for sure.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
I'm surprised Baby Carrie isn't more worried because she's the youngest.
She's the one who's baby caring the youngest, and she's
not going to be the youngest anymore.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
But she thinks it's dolly.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
She said Dally again.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Some of my favorite carry moments in this Bally she's
carry Bally.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
I didn't even know that that's what she said.

Speaker 7 (49:12):
I know.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
You had to rewind it a few times.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
What did she say?

Speaker 1 (49:20):
I have clips of Carrie's greatest moments carry Bally.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
It's one of my favorite on her face, would you?
But I was also the youngest, and I think I
think there's something about being the Oh the lour wasn't
the youngest, but I think there's something about being the
younger child of like another child threatens that position in
some way. I don't know what it is, did you

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guys Dean you're the oldest of your your tribe.

Speaker 7 (49:50):
I was very excited, I'm told, and I don't remember
specifically about this, but I was very excited about the
birth of the second child, my brother, but very concerned
about the birth a year later of my sister because
it meant that my brother was going to get less attention.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
That's that. That was the that was, you know.

Speaker 7 (50:13):
My mother reported back to me that after Meg had
been home from the hospital for about a week, she
reported that I came to her and said, you can
take her back, now, take her back now, so that
Scott can get my brother.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
Scott cant.

Speaker 6 (50:36):
Too much.

Speaker 7 (50:37):
I don't think my sister would have that went on
for a long time. I think, you know, it's funny.
I adore my sister as we are well into our adulthood,
but as as a little person I was. It was
like I was one of those kids, or like the
bird that's trying to shove the yet little one out
of the nest.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I was.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
I was.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
I was that guy. A little a.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Baby brother was one thing, but three kids, it's just
it's over the limit. It's over the line.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
She goes right, so she had to go away. And
you know, I'm so glad I wasn't successful.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Yeah, well, you know what my sister said, but she
was critical. Yeah, well, of course her a kid. I mean,
the kid's psychology is so fascinating. My sister apparently said
when she met me in the hospital the first time,
she looked at me and she said, can we return
her for a blue one? She wanted a blue baby somehow.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
I don't know why. I don't know what. Can we
trade her for a blue one?

Speaker 5 (51:35):
What's your birth order?

Speaker 6 (51:37):
Here are you?

Speaker 5 (51:37):
You're the second.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
I'm the youngest too, just too okay, I'm the youngest. Yeah,
but anyway, anyway, I totally throughout this whole episode, I
totally understood Laura's play, Like there was nothing about her
psychology that I didn't understand, even though we know, of
course Paul's going to love her, and of course there's
enough love to go around, there's not a shortage of

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love that will be going around. But I absolutely understood
her fear and position.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
Well, we get we get to the seminal moment of this.

Speaker 11 (52:11):
I mean that's because I think, let's look at the
seminal moment of this when when there is an asking
for prayers and there's the really the very powerful scene
between Laura and Mary where.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Laura says she won't she won't pray for the baby.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
Yeah, harsh, that's what I mean.

Speaker 7 (52:34):
That's that's so that becomes that's so at that age
to be that intentional about that, that's as opposed to
just doing it because it would.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
Be the right thing to do.

Speaker 7 (52:47):
But you know, obviously, in the interest of the plot
and where this is going, Michael wrote this. He gave
her this very strong moment. It's a it's a really
powerful moment.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
And the way he wrote wrote her into it and
her reasons why yes.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Yeah really, and and her redeeming herself also right because
in the house.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
They're they're very religious. They pray for things, that's what
you do. So in that household and in the eighteen
hundreds to go, I'm going to not pray for.

Speaker 6 (53:24):
The baby to get better.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeh, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 6 (53:27):
That's huge.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
And for a kid to say, I'm gonna And this
is the episode two where I wrote down three or
four times and Mary is right. Mary is also right
again because Mary sometimes goes no. Of course, he's still
gonna love us. What are you worried about the baby? No,
of course we're going to pray them. Why wouldn't you
pray for the baby?

Speaker 3 (53:44):
What is the matter with you?

Speaker 10 (53:46):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (53:46):
Mary, repeatedly in this Mary.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
Is always rational conscience.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
In these times, it's totally sensibleness.

Speaker 6 (53:52):
Are you even talking about Yes?

Speaker 1 (53:55):
I'm like, okay, Mary's right.

Speaker 6 (53:56):
Mary is totally right here, always right.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
So they take the baby then to man Cato. I
always wonder, like, why not sleepy? I I guess Mancato
was Mankato the bigger city.

Speaker 5 (54:09):
I think it's I think it was very fungible.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Yeah, bigger?

Speaker 7 (54:14):
I mean I don't know that. Well where okay, so
where did the fan jumping forward? Where did everybody? Was
it Mancato?

Speaker 5 (54:22):
Else where everyone went? It wasn't sleepy.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
It was sleepy. They went to get supplot like shopping.
Yeah yeah, yeah, but Cato was the city. Also, he's
named doctor Mayo. Is that like a haja haa mao clinic?

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Man catch.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Also the very very charming, handsome actor who plays the
poor doctor Mayo who also can't do anything for them.
He uh was in Dusty's Trail. He was one of
the guys in Dusty's Trail.

Speaker 7 (54:54):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (54:55):
He was in.

Speaker 6 (54:56):
Heathers with a lovely batt Laberteau. Yes he was.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
He was Ronica's dad Heathers and he was in a
viral Mistress of the Dark Elvirus movie.

Speaker 6 (55:03):
So he had a marvelous career.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Look him up on IMDb. That doctor Mayo's in.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Everything, Well he's a terrible doctor because he can't do
squat for this baby.

Speaker 6 (55:13):
And he tells him that this happens a lot.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
But I want to know about the nurse who comes
off like the total bill was wrong with her?

Speaker 6 (55:23):
Never what did anything? It is her only credit.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
I'm afraid that even her real voice.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (55:32):
So it was a very odd performance.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
It's very random and one line and it felt like
a sore thumb.

Speaker 6 (55:40):
I looked her up and went, yeah, that was it.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Nothing, that's that's the only thing. That's that's it. She
a maniac. He was in an episode of Everything, and
he was on Dusty's Trail, and he was on all
these shows. But yeah, we have no idea who that
woman is. That one was in like one thing.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
This is so weird. Thank you for pointing that out,
because walk on thing like somebody knew somebody.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
That's all I'm going to say.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Somebody knew somebody, Okay, And I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (56:11):
If that person watches our podcast and she's still she
would still be sorry.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Maybe she had more dialogue than they cut it, and
we don't know.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
It also sounded like that voice was looped. It didn't
sound like a real voice. It sounded like a looped voice.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Maybe I'm giving credit.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Someone find us this mysterious woman who was.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
The Yeah, I was like, it's so weird how it's
just one line. It's unimportant, it's unimportant to the plot,
and yet we're all talking about.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
It gets him, It gets the doctor out of the room.
So that bomb pocket scene, I mean, that's what the
purpose of them, and.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
That scene when he tells them yeah, that ball goes
and he comes out, and it's so quiet. I think
incidental music is like kept to a minimum. There's tons
of music. At part two, there's hardly any music.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
About and Maz just looking out the window. We just
see the back of her people.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
So in a hurry, and the whole everyone's in a hurry,
which gets picked up later by Ernest borgnine when he's
talking to Laura. He does it again about people do
too much hurry to help one of God's creatures. They
do the same exact line about people being in a
hurry and passing by. Yes they do, Yes, they do it,
so call back.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
We'll get to that next.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
But they when the hits the fan and that the
child is gone, he went to sleep. There's no screaming,
there's no historyonics there's no big crying like on many
other TV shows at that time would have had lots
of hooting and all around music. It is so quiet
and they they're crying, and then it's the twenty third
psalm and he starts and then she joins in with him,

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because this is it. This is all you can do.

Speaker 6 (57:46):
What can we do?

Speaker 10 (57:47):
This is it?

Speaker 1 (57:47):
This is all we know how to do it. We
say this prayer, this is it, because this is all
we know how to do.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
And he's and even hers realize she knows that that
baby is dead as soon as Paul, as soon as
the doctor calls paw to the very she absolutely knows.
And I love how he wrote what she says, which
is just he's gone to sleep, hasn't he. I mean,
it's just so brutal. It's just so brutal. It's so brutal. Yeah,
beautiful scene. And then of course imagine returning home and

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the kids see that they don't have a baby with them.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
I want to say Karen's portrayal of shock because again, no,
no dramaticus, nothing, her portrayal of just shock.

Speaker 6 (58:32):
Okay, it's dead off. I don't know how she decided
to do that. I've taught her.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Did she say okay medically when someone using full shock
from said this is what they do. Yeah, she's doing
a perfect portrayal of someone who's gone into shock. And
it's like, oh wow, it's weird.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
I had an experienced once, and I was so mad
at myself, but I could not help it. I was
I was told a friend of mine had committed suicide,
and it happened I had just seen this person the
day before. And the next day I went to work
and my partner looked at me and when so and
so hung himself last night, and my reaction was I

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started laughing. I got a giant smile on my face
and I started giggling, and I couldn't understand what was happening.
I couldn't understand it, and I was so mad at myself.
I mean, it was exactly the opposite of what I
wanted to do. And I think of that moment all
the time because.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
It was so out of my control.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
It was like my brain couldn't do anything. But it
was just the polar opposite of what you want to
be doing.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
And I couldn't help it. It was awful. You're awful.

Speaker 7 (59:45):
So you're thinking about what the appropriate Wow, you get
that information and you're thinking about what's the appropriate response,
and you can't summon it.

Speaker 6 (59:54):
It was just so shock and you just talked to
him the day before.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
It was so shocking and to overdrive and you just
I mean, you couldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
Have written it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
If I had written a story and did that as
someone's response, you wouldn't believe it, Like it would be unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (01:00:12):
And yet people but and yet people who have been
in that situation would recognize that as well as well.
It's it's not it's not the way we think it's
supposed to go, but our emotional the range of emotion
that we can experience in particularly when we can't process something.

Speaker 5 (01:00:36):
I've heard of that many times.

Speaker 7 (01:00:38):
Heard of this the laughter reaction, it's awful, it's funny,
it's just you can't deal no, and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
It feels terrible as it's happening, because in my brain
there was a separate conversation in my brain going.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Why are you laughing? Stop laughing, stop laughing, stop it?
And you can't.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
Yeah, that would be a real reaction to yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:01:01):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
On the TV show This is Us when they finally
show you know that, there was this long tease of like,
how did the father die? The father dies, the father dies,
and then we find out how he dies, and it's
a hospital scene where she's at the vending machines getting
a snack and she gets out a candy bar and
that's when the doctor whoever comes after her and says,
your husband died. And her reaction was she just sort

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of opens the candy bar and starts eating it and it's.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Like, okay, you want some chocolate.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Like it was like again, brain is in shock. Brain
is in total, right, complete shock. Which is so interesting
to watch and such an interesting choice that he chose.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
That that's a fascinating choice to make that Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
To make it a quiet still.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
And also not just quiet and still, but accepting that
this isn't what has happened? And Alison, exactly what you said, like,
what do we do now?

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Well, we we say the prayer, he starts it, and
then she kind of goes, oh, we're going to do that.
We're going to do that. I'll go with it. He's
doing that, Okay, I'll follow your lead.

Speaker 6 (01:02:07):
You're right, you're right, Well, let's do that.

Speaker 8 (01:02:09):
It just doesn't This is the this is the place
religiosity has played in our cost life for centuries. When
we can't explain something.

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
Any other way, we go to that's right, this body.

Speaker 7 (01:02:26):
Of knowledge, this spirituality to give shape to a moment
that we simply cannot explain, right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
A greater purpose that we don't know, but the universe does.

Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
Paul says, where's where is he?

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
He's he's in heaven, he's with Jesus, he's gone, which,
of course then we have the horrible moment in part two.

Speaker 7 (01:02:49):
Well, but when when they come up the first moment
for Laura, when she recognizes that, she goes immediately to
she knows immediately or she's preparing she's dropping the blame
on herself immediately in.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
That situation, which is also psychology, and she.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
Runs away it's very it's it's very strong. It's it's
very very strong. It's wonderful done.

Speaker 7 (01:03:24):
It's so and it's so simple in its in its presentation,
and you and the audience understands immediately where she's where
she's gone with this. Now, given that this is now
Mary knows we Mary explains in a moment what happens.
But for mom Pa, who this has been closed to them,

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the audience knows everything. So we know as an audience
immediately where this reaction is coming from, and we're hurting
for her because.

Speaker 10 (01:03:56):
Of It.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Really is semple to watch because it is so well done,
and these reactions to trauma and the worst thing imaginable
are so real. That I said, when when you know,
you see a million movies and TV shows if someone
comes in and tells when their child is dead, the
screaming and the yelling and which some.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
People do, of course they right when they go quiet.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
I don't make any noise at all.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
That's the Oh, now we're we'll skip board to Now
it's a few weeks later. They're at church. They're having
picnics outside church.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
This is my one, this is my this is my
little Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
I'm just going to going here.

Speaker 7 (01:04:36):
But this is a fascinating as we come to the
close of this part one, this is a fascinating set
of moments.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
Yes, so.

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
You did, you say?

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
Okay, so well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
The first thing that happens is mister Edwards is sitting
with Paul and he goes like, how's Carolyn And Paul
goes fine, And I was like, what, Like what this fine?

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
It's Laura. We're the most concerned about it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
And I was like, okay, wait, stop, stop stop. I
Michael Landon writer, Michael Landon, like, I totally get the
purpose of this, which is she's a strong woman, which
even says she's a strong woman, And I understand the
point of it is she's strong, she's forging forward, like
she's she's getting on with life, like she's doing what.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
She needs to do.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
But for some reason for him to write fine, was like,
what she's not. No one's fine, nobody could be fine,
Like she's not Carolyn normal Carolyn.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Like I don't know why he wrote that. It really
is a pet peeve that I watched that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
It really bothered me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
He could have said she's coping, she's strong, she's getting
through this. Laura is the one, we're more concerned about
that legit, but the.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Whole but the fine is like.

Speaker 6 (01:05:54):
No, suping, she's under the circumstances.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
But again, eighteen hundreds people's children died const right, so
and she's very.

Speaker 6 (01:06:05):
Strong, but yeah, it wouldn't have been fine. It would
have been she's very strong.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Yes, And so it was just it's just at the writer.
Part of me was like, no, don't use that word.
Fine is not the word to use. I don't know
why he wrote that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
You could even say she's caroling.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
It just seems so weirdly insensitive and he's not realistic.
It just was like, no, just say a different way
than just fine. But that's me other people.

Speaker 7 (01:06:34):
I think I think that you just said you or
Elson just said in some ways saying that maybe not
the perfect choice of words, but allows the focus to
stay on Laura right where where the problem really is. Yes,

(01:06:55):
and we head off into this day of play.

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:07:01):
As I watched that, As I watched that, I'm thinking,
my gut reaction is and I'm not looking at this
in the context of weeks have past.

Speaker 5 (01:07:11):
I'm looking at minutes of screen time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, everyone is just a little too
happy happy.

Speaker 6 (01:07:20):
Yeah, how much time?

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
How much time is bad?

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Well, he says in that conversation with Edwards, it's been
a few weeks, That's.

Speaker 7 (01:07:27):
What he said, right exactly, And I get that, but
still for the audience, it's minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Yeah, yeah, it felt like it was the next sun.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
It really did. Well.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
The other thing that I thought watching Pa playing with
his girls was, you know, we've talked to so many
people Bonnet Heeads who have talked to us about how
little houses a safe space, and how so many of
these viewers and these fans had not great homes when
they were kids, or not great relationships with their fathers

(01:08:01):
or the da DA And I was watching and it
was the first time it really hit me watching the
scene with Pap playing with his girls, of thinking of
all the millions of people that watch this, that were
living vicariously through these moments in the little house in
the prairie, of seeing this father playing with his daughters,

(01:08:21):
this unconditional love and this relationship that he has with
his children and his family that so many people do
not have, have never had. And I don't know why,
all of a sudden my focus went right to that,
but it did go right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
To that watching this scene.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
It's a beautiful scene. It is not only their love.
But one of the things that I gotten it right
away is like, yes, there's acting, but I have to
tell when I watch it, the two girls and Michael.

Speaker 6 (01:08:48):
They're playing a relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
And because I'm always saying, you know, as a child doctor, well,
I got to tell you all the other child actors say,
we hit the lottery by being a little house in
the prairie, and you see here what a great show
is Beyond that, both these girls, both Melissa's, are having
a blast and they are playing with Michael, and he
did have that spirit of fun. And I got to
tell you there's a billion other TV shows where the

(01:09:12):
kids playing with the lead male guy. No, they wouldn't
have been like are we done? They're having a really
good time, and it just comes, it just comes right
out of the screen. It's a beautiful, beautiful scene.

Speaker 5 (01:09:24):
I agree. I agree, it's very it's very special.

Speaker 7 (01:09:27):
And I cat to run another bed and Laura curls
up on his chest and this is the best.

Speaker 5 (01:09:34):
This is the last day ever.

Speaker 7 (01:09:37):
I'll never forget this day, which is again foreshadowing her
thinking that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
She knows she's about to run away, and that this
is her last day with them, right, and she's had the.

Speaker 7 (01:09:50):
Scene with reverenald And about getting closer to God, and
so she's processing I mean, but also.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Like child psychology, right, Reverend Alden gives her this very
metaphorical thing of like, well, the closer you are to God,
the better he can hear you. Right, and she takes
it or listen or whatever that line, and she takes
it literally, which of course she would.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
She's a child.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
She's a child, he told a distraught eight year old
who clearly is like off in the zone. Yes, it's
pyfically reasonably, but you know, yeah, today's world, the rever
might have gone, what.

Speaker 6 (01:10:26):
Exactly are you getting at, dear?

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
What did give me a could you go on, let's
explain that a little more thoroughly and find out what
the heck she was on about.

Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
Because he's just going, oh, yeah, yeah, closer to God?

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Yeah that deep?

Speaker 6 (01:10:39):
Yeah, how much he felt? How much he is?

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
So is that where this episode? Where are we saying
this episode ends?

Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
Think it could? I think it could end in several places.

Speaker 7 (01:10:55):
As I watched it, I'm thinking it ends, I mean,
maybe ends there, but I think to tip it towards
what's coming. I thought it ended with the writing of
the note and leaving at night, and then what's going
to happen? Now you thought it ended maybe the way
the titling worked as Laura's marching walking to the mountain,

(01:11:16):
which totally makes sense that it would end there, just like,
oh my god, now what.

Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
She's yeah, r.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
In she leaves one way or the other, she's out, yes, so.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
There's a mountain in Minnesota. It's called the Hill. Technically
it's only two thousand feet and it's seven hours away
by car. It's foot and in Canada, your Canada, near
Lake Superior.

Speaker 6 (01:11:48):
To find a mountain, even.

Speaker 7 (01:11:52):
When we've gone Alison, when we've gone to Peppin, you know,
which is which is Wisconsin immediately adjacent from you know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:00):
From Minnesota. The topography is so dramatically different.

Speaker 7 (01:12:05):
As you go north out of Minneapolis and you get
into this beautiful you can see the big woods there,
you get that sense of the big woods.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
Where you're you're on the growth. There's no woods, there's
no woods, there's no rise, there's nothing. It is a pancakes.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
There's a mountains. The Canadian but that will.

Speaker 5 (01:12:29):
That space, that mountain.

Speaker 7 (01:12:30):
She's marching towards that, right in the same spot where
the camp out would have been shot.

Speaker 8 (01:12:36):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:12:39):
Yeah, I mean it's such a strong ending and what
we're going to talk about next week. I think the
hour we're gonna end up talking about next week if
we eat that, we want to continue talking about this,
I think is one of the most extraordinary hours of.

Speaker 8 (01:12:52):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Everest freaking Borgest.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
Listen, I won't I won't fight if I spot Earnest
word nine on top of a mountain.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Someday, any day, I will.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Do whatever he says, Yes, note to self and do
whatever mind says.

Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
Yeah, it was just incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
That's next week.

Speaker 5 (01:13:18):
This is this hour is an elaborate, a very elaborate setup.

Speaker 7 (01:13:23):
Yes, for Laura's the lesson that Laura is going to
learn and the beautiful way that lesson is taught. Yeah,
bye bye by Jonathan on the mountain. It's it's a
so what's coming will be beautiful and we can't wait
to talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
It and totally different than part one, completely different.

Speaker 12 (01:13:44):
God music, it's just whole the rhythm its yeah, yeah,
I'm sorry if if people feel like we've wandered off
into twenty different directions with our discussion of this episode.

Speaker 5 (01:13:57):
You're right, we have wandered off in twenty different directions.
But it's all interesting stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:14:01):
And I think it's amazing Alison that you drilled down
into the history and Pamela you go right to the
authenticity of the emotionality of this and writes this thing
that just you know that so you and al and
so you to go to go and drill down all

(01:14:24):
the factoids.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
I mean, this did happen all the time. But the
angles are definitely they're they're awfully up on things.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
Yeah, yeah, they are pressure aggressive.

Speaker 7 (01:14:36):
Pressure, Yes, a little, a little knowledge goes a little well,
projection backwards leaves room for information that they might not
have had, but to structure something.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
It's a running thing. They didn't want to make the
ingles backwards miss and they clearly read there in the
books and then the show, so I think they went, Okay,
they probably wouldn't have really known this, but if they
were saying it was bad humor is in miasma, they're
going to sound like, you know, they're terrible backwards people,
and they're not. They're fairly well educated teacher so we're

(01:15:12):
just going to go if we have to go a
couple inches further that they completely know about germ theory,
We're going.

Speaker 11 (01:15:18):
To go there.

Speaker 7 (01:15:19):
Yeah. I mean, look, I think this is a case
of Michael is wanting to create a certain reality with
this with the Engles family, and that the Engles family
is a device for the sharing of goodness, the processing
of love and connectedness and all of that. He's using
all the tools in the toolbox that he's got to

(01:15:42):
do that, and he's totally and he frames it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
He's framed it.

Speaker 7 (01:15:47):
That's that quest for understanding, for empathy, for connectedness.

Speaker 5 (01:15:52):
He's this is this kind of thing. Is exactly what
drew him to this material, And it's in the book
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
In the books when they have the weird thing where
everyone tells that eating watermelon gets the malaria. Were like,
came up with this, I do not know, but that
was like a thing apparently, and Laura Wright Paul says, no,
it doesn't. That's ridiculous. So even in the book The Tenders, boh,
I don't know if he knew how Milaria happened, but wait,
it does. It's not watermelons. That's the dumbest thing I ever.

(01:16:23):
So yeah, so apparently it is established the Inkules did
not They didn't go for that. They would have gone
for whatever the latest info was, because bollies, you don't
get malaria for watermelon.

Speaker 7 (01:16:35):
Well if if I mean, I think the reality is
also if they didn't have the information, the information would
have had to come from somewhere.

Speaker 5 (01:16:43):
Right, somebody had to someone would have to bring us in.
That's another character that's more casting that.

Speaker 7 (01:16:49):
There's so many things that work into these decisions that
as to how you do this, but it's very powerful
and it's leading to something special. And Pamela, I think
you should. You should send us off for all week
and we'll be back next week.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
All right, we leave it on a cliffhanger, everybody, We
will see you next time for part two of The
Lord is My Shepherd. One of the best episodes ever
and in the whole whole library of Little House on
the Prairie, And you know, check us out on our socials,
Little House fifty Podcast, our website, Little.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
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Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
I never say that because I feel cheap saying that,
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Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
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Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
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Speaker 5 (01:17:43):
Good thing.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
It's a really good thing. So thanks for being here.
Season three.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
We're here, everybody, baby, and we'll see you next time. Bob,
get the wig, Let's fly, guys, germ free

Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
Not get it well,

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