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Speaker 1 (00:01):
If you're listening right now to the Little House fiftieth
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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the series, and the books have been bright lights for
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
Here on the Little House fiftieth Anniversary Podcast, we celebrate
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
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have made Little House iconic family television.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
And a perfect counterpoint to a world that feels like
it's going off the rails every day.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
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Speaker 4 (00:43):
I'm your host, Pamela Bob And I'm your Prairie bitch
Alice at Aringrem and I'm Dean Butler, our hashtag imaginary boyfriend.
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Speaker 1 (01:01):
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Speaker 5 (01:25):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm Pamela Bob. I'm creator and starve Living on a
Prairie and super fan, and I'm your host today and
every week. And I'm here with our wonderful prairie bitch
Alison Arngruden. Yes, and our hashtag imaginary boyfriend not just mine,
yours and everybody's Dean Butler.

Speaker 6 (01:44):
How old are you, guys?

Speaker 7 (01:46):
Ah? Good, good? Well, what are we here? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:51):
I know you had an epic weekend. And I'm just
gonna preface this. Sorry, guys. My dog is sitting on
my lap, so if you see her, she's she's a
little sick right now, and she's very needy, so she's
she's feeling under the weather. I know she just might
be overheated a bit, but it's hot here.

Speaker 7 (02:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
But anyway, besides that, yes, you tell us a little
bit about your weekend team.

Speaker 7 (02:17):
Well, it's so so. I did a little pre seventieth
birthday gathering.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
It was unique at a one at a wonderful restaurant
in Santa Monica called farm Shop, and it's just in
this very cool little.

Speaker 7 (02:35):
Part of town.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
It's it's you know, it's very gentrified, very buttoned up.
You see a lot of the you know, a lot
of beautiful people hanging around.

Speaker 7 (02:45):
In this small you know, it's just it has that
vibe to it. But when I went into the place
to check it out, I saw.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
This beautiful, not beautiful, but it's very graphic, black and
white fifties forty fifties blow up of a family farm
with the silo and the barn and the you know,
the parents and the children in the field and working
on a cornfield.

Speaker 7 (03:10):
I thought, well, this is where I have to do this,
and I.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Wanted to do it. I really wanted this to focus
around my little you know, my little house family, our
little house family that is local, and particularly around those
people who have been such a part of our you know,
such a part of our little house experience.

Speaker 7 (03:31):
In recent in the recent years. So it was it
was really fun.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Farm Shop came up with a spectacular menu. Allison, you
being the chef in the group here you can comment
on our recreation of cinnamon chicken, and there's going to
be some video on this that was some social video
that's going to drop. But Alison, what did you think
of the cinnamon chicken?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (03:59):
Okay, first of all, whole meal ten ten out of ten,
like like.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
I mean, she was, yes.

Speaker 6 (04:06):
So first of all, this place is it's adorable. Go
through like this little mall. There's all these little shops
and say, oh, farm shop.

Speaker 8 (04:11):
Then you go and you go this huge place and
there's a restaurant but just there's a store. You can
buy wine and cookbooks and wor made foods and fruit
and and okay, things are like super expensive, but they're
like adorable. And then we sit at this huge table
and of course he's got the suns.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
Like this is yes, yes, did I take this? Inter
be you bet I took the I have these and
they were adorable.

Speaker 9 (04:33):
And so there was all this food because it's the
family styles all these people this big table and it's
like here's the avocado, a hummus with pistacio like a
moosti freakin delicious, and then all and then there was
a salad and then there's things and there was salmon
to die for and yes we took the leftovers, said yes,
I'm having a piecet today and Bob took them for lunch.

Speaker 7 (04:53):
We're still eating, okay.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
And yes, I still have the chocolate chip cookies.

Speaker 9 (04:57):
So we had all this food and then they chicken,
and so the big bowls, like so of these baby.

Speaker 8 (05:03):
Hunks of chicken, like they cooked up old chicken and
just like whacked it with cleaver, and these big hunks
of chicken with grilled lemon, grilled lemons chicken script hm like.
And the sauce it was more of a sticky sauce
than like a pan fried crunchy thing. And the sauce
was clearly liked.

Speaker 6 (05:21):
I don't know, maybe it was honey.

Speaker 8 (05:23):
In there, but there was, yes, definitely there was honey,
honey and cinnamon.

Speaker 6 (05:27):
And then Dina Doll, you know, you gotta put a
little bit of.

Speaker 8 (05:30):
Pepper, a little pepper, so just a hint of spice,
like as you taste, yeah, it's the pepper.

Speaker 7 (05:36):
And there arc not enough to choke on, but really
not enough.

Speaker 8 (05:39):
And it was super moist too, so you could not
possibly choke. It was so freaking delicious. And yes, we
took them leftovers that night. It got yesterday and said so,
I mean, it was epic I was like, no, no,
I just want half a piece of salmon because I'm
having like doubles on that cinnamon chicken. Yes, yes, that
freaking and the smashed potatoes. Oh my, those were addictive.

(06:01):
The food was insanely good. And the cinnamon chicken. This
was a totally different version. Yeah, that's a recipe has
like what like Apple's cier is kind of a saucy
thing and mine is a more crunchy pen for anything.

Speaker 6 (06:12):
This was a whole other thing baked.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
And.

Speaker 7 (06:18):
Yeah, really really terrific was there was.

Speaker 8 (06:20):
Carrot cake, and then he gave everybody a packete of
chocolate chip cookies, and yes.

Speaker 7 (06:24):
Which we baked.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
So I made the so Katherine, I make up the
bat you know, up the cookie dough and I stir
it by hand.

Speaker 7 (06:31):
And we've been doing this for thirty years.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
We've been making chocolate chip cookies, so it had to
be our you know, one of my favorite foods. And
so yes, we did that, and Catherine baked for an afternoon,
getting the eighty some cookies that were necessary to do
this and bag them and put the nice little wrapper
around them, and so you know, it was just it

(06:56):
was just sort of it was fun carrot cake was.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
Was that from them or another bakery?

Speaker 7 (07:02):
It was? It was from them.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
God. I was.

Speaker 6 (07:06):
And had nuts and the thing and the cream cheese frosted.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
And then okay, and then the last thing they I said,
I've got to have Rocky Road ice cream. So they
served literally like a I don't know, a small scoop
of Rocky Road ice cream in.

Speaker 7 (07:20):
A little like a.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
Little white bowl, and which was absolutely delicious.

Speaker 7 (07:28):
I wanted much more of it, but it was. It
was great.

Speaker 8 (07:33):
I was so full from the smashed potatoes and the
chicken and the thing and the vegetables and that I was.

Speaker 6 (07:38):
Like, okay, I can't eat cut me a piece of cake.
It was the size of my head. I said, I
can't eat all this. But then they bought the teeny
thing of ice cream and it was like Rocky Road.

Speaker 8 (07:45):
But then they threw some more nuts and marshmallows on
top of it, and I was like, oh, yeah, I'm
having this.

Speaker 6 (07:50):
So that was like one of the best things I've
ever eaten.

Speaker 7 (07:53):
Well, it was. It was really fun.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
And then this morning, after we finished the podcast, Catherine
and I and Catherine, the three of us, Catherine, Benny
and I will we'll be driving to northern California so
that we can spend the actual birthday, which is tomorrow
with my or tomorrow the twentieth with my with my
ninety one year old mother. And I think this is

(08:18):
sort of this felt really important to me that we
spend this particular birthday with her, So we will do that,
and then there were then we do another We'll doing
another little gathering nearby her place where it will be
some family friends, and you know, we'll do that, so
this will be a well feted, a well feted birthday.

(08:40):
You know, I never do parties, so I over did.
We're doing two parties this year.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
Well, it's a big We have a policy at our
house we call it birthday month. If it's a big birthday,
we do. And now it's your.

Speaker 8 (08:53):
Birthday month, and you were allowed to have as many parties, outings, dinners,
gifts as you feel, yes, during the entire thirty day period.
So birthday month, go for it.

Speaker 7 (09:05):
Thank you for that.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
Oh and Allison, thank you for the UH the d Q,
the DQ gift certificate, so I can have a blizzard
anytime I feel like stepping into one. Yes, yes, that's
that's very important. We've decided on some of our trips.
Allison discovered by uh by fascination for Dairy Queen and

(09:28):
their blizzard product, which is just like so there's so
much of it and it's so rich and it's so
good and wherever I whenever we're in the Midwest, there's
always a trip to dairy Queen.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Well because their hearts and how about some endorsements. Here,
come on baby right, Oh.

Speaker 6 (09:47):
My god, he's de guy. She's like keeping you in
business by himself. It's we go in place because you
don't really see dairy queen in California.

Speaker 7 (09:54):
No, it's not really a California thing at.

Speaker 6 (09:56):
All, hardly not in La.

Speaker 8 (10:01):
If you go you start driving cross country, they start
popping up and we go to all these prairie places
with a dairy queen and he's like.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
Queen.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
They sort of they sort of start hitting as you
at least as you go east, as you approach the
Arizona border, you start seeing dairy queens pop up.

Speaker 7 (10:20):
And then they're everywhere in Arizona, Suri, in.

Speaker 6 (10:23):
Minnesota, places like that. It's like a dairy queen every
ten feet.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
So they're all over the East coast. Yes, I know,
it's a Jersey all over Jersey and he and.

Speaker 6 (10:33):
They stay open late.

Speaker 8 (10:34):
So when we're back even from a little house event
in the evening's like, Dairy Queen still open and we.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Dairy Queen in New Jerseys along with the the ultimate
East Coast donut experience, Dunkin Donut.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, although Duncan D's are everywhere in the East Coast,
but Boston is like the mecca of Duncan donuts. There
are two on every street.

Speaker 7 (10:58):
In Boston, sort of like Starbucks here.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
It's insane.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
And New York used to have an ice cream place,
a local New York ice creams, but it was very
famous called Carvel's.

Speaker 7 (11:12):
We have that we have here.

Speaker 6 (11:13):
That we don't have it. We used to have it
as a kid.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
There's actually one about less than a mile from on
Santa Monica Boulevard between Westwood and Sepalvia.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
That because when it was just a New York local thing.
The commercials in the eighties were.

Speaker 6 (11:29):
They had there. Your Birthday was always.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Like cob Bell, but the New York's accent come to Corvell.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
Wait.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
So yeah, there's there's a lot. So there's a lot
going on. I just want to mention that we have
as we come up on the podcast and thank you
for the acknowledgment of the birthday. I believe, my gosh,
Melaura Harden joining us very soon, so Keith, stay tuned
for that.

Speaker 7 (12:03):
I think that's going to be really really fun.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
We've got our event coming up in Malone, New York
July twenty fourth, twenty fifth, and twenty sixth. I will
be in Heritage Village in Ohio August seventh and eighth,
and we're getting ready to announce a huge event in
Nashville for September, which will be I.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Think Cryptic Cryptid.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
One of the really really special events that we will
do as a little house family.

Speaker 7 (12:34):
So that's that's really exciting. Allison. You're you're obviously everywhere
all the time.

Speaker 8 (12:41):
I'm I got like this most of this month off
because I like killed.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
It the last Yeah totally yeah.

Speaker 7 (12:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (12:47):
France on April seventh.

Speaker 8 (12:49):
I was in Tombstone by April ninth, and then it
was Missouri Cherry Blossom Festival. Then it was Ocean City,
Maryland for the car show. Then it was like Boom
but one if the other. Then I went to New York,
did three shows Stockbridge Massachuets Foundry sold that. I'll say that,
then did my show Mother's Day at in New York,
then came home and collapsed. So I'm just like taking

(13:12):
care of stuff and doing things that need to be
done and getting some sleep, and then I don't go
anywhere until until somewhere in June. I know Burrow because
I said getting my lower Ingle's Wilder Historical site Bingo cars.

Speaker 7 (13:26):
Oh yes, very good, very excited about.

Speaker 8 (13:28):
Burrow and so but truly it's not until late June
that I start jumping on planes, and then little July,
and then they'll.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
Break in August.

Speaker 8 (13:35):
Although you know you go to Cincinnati, I'm not sure
because I'm going to fabulous province Time, Massachusetts for two
shows at.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
The Red Room in August.

Speaker 8 (13:45):
I'm looking at Wow, you know, if I flew straight
from there to Cincinnati.

Speaker 7 (13:52):
What are you saying?

Speaker 3 (13:53):
I'm just saying cryptic everything I think it would be.

Speaker 7 (13:57):
Are you saying, are you are you teasing the idea
that you might come.

Speaker 8 (14:01):
To changing my flight from Boston to LA to Boston
and that now that of course they need to buy
a ticket home.

Speaker 7 (14:10):
I think they would take it.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
I think that would be absolutely epic if you did that.
This place is a beautiful, beautiful location, you'd be knocked
out by it. And the fan support was just off
the hook. It was incredible, So we should talk about it.

Speaker 8 (14:28):
Let's talk about well, we'll talk okay, I mean I'll
be on a stretcher by the time we're sure.

Speaker 6 (14:34):
What the heck?

Speaker 10 (14:35):
Yes, the worse things have happened, So the worst things
have happened.

Speaker 5 (14:38):
Yeah, well I don't know about worse things, but that's
one of the things that can happen.

Speaker 7 (14:46):
So I think we should get into this episode.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
Okay, clearly this is wise episode for us, so but
let's let's get into it.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Okay, well, yeah, we'll get into it. Yes, yes, but
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is the Little House in the Prairie fiftieth Anniversary podcast.

(15:27):
All right. I mean, I don't even know where to
begin with this one, because okay, well, first let me
preface this first. We were like, we've done some really
heavy episodes the past few episodes. Let's light it up.
Let's do a funny like a lighter one great of
which there are plenty in the Little House in the Prairie,
and Dean suggested this one. We were all like, fantastic,

(15:50):
And then I went and visited it and went first
of all, this is a season nine episode, which is,
let's face it either hit or miss with season nice
and nine is a very controversial season of how many
times we are jumping the shark in fact, And then

(16:12):
when I was watching this, I was like, this is
the most bizarre episode of all time. This is a
particularly I'm trying to be nice. I'm really nice. Because
all right, we'll get into it. Dean, what are we
talking about?

Speaker 5 (16:29):
So today we're talking about episode fourteen of season nine.

Speaker 7 (16:34):
This is The Older Brothers.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
The Older Brothers premiered on January seventeenth, nineteen eighty three,
written by Michael Landon, directed by Victor French.

Speaker 7 (16:49):
So what's the episode about? Oh, Alison, Oh take out
the long, Yeah, long.

Speaker 6 (16:59):
The dumbest thing.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
She said it not me, but I will concur I laugh.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
I laughed. I did laugh. But it's dumb. If you
want dumb humor, this is your episode. It's so dumb.
And we did. We just had the heaviest episode.

Speaker 8 (17:16):
We wound up in like People Magazine again talking yeacause
it's like figure warning, oh my god, episode with Victor French,
we just did this and now.

Speaker 6 (17:26):
Like this episode, we're like, nothing happened. So there's that.
So indeed, the older brothers who sees what happens when
was briefly.

Speaker 8 (17:35):
Right straight basketball mac grove into a dusty frontier comedy
sketch Yes, written by Michael Lane, directed by Victor French,
who is epic and he gets to be funny.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
Here and he's just clearly gone.

Speaker 7 (17:49):
He strains him in this way. I know he fail.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
That everyone was really funny in this episode, but continue.

Speaker 8 (18:01):
Victor's performance is restrained because everyone else is chewing the
scenery to the last splinter. Yeah, three not two bright outlaws,
while that's.

Speaker 7 (18:10):
Been actually three not too bright outlaws.

Speaker 8 (18:12):
Three Yeah, these not too bright outlaws actually possibly the
stupidest people ever to walk the earth and be able
to breathe.

Speaker 7 (18:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (18:20):
They decide their quickest path, the easy money, would be kidsnapping.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
Isaiah Edwards, I say it is that they're not very smart.

Speaker 8 (18:26):
Okay, they didn't are going to turn themselves in to
collect the reward themselves. They decided one but wait, wait,
we get the reward money for turning hours out because
they're that dumb. This is the episode literally is the
stupid in every possible way. It is a terrible plan.
Now the real fun fun if fun.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
I guess if you come, Terri, I had Okay, we'll
talk about.

Speaker 7 (18:48):
All this now.

Speaker 8 (18:49):
These guys, these guys, yes, I I MDB these people
Jeffrey Lewis, Timothy Scott, I mean.

Speaker 6 (18:56):
Parker, look these people up. Oh dear Lord.

Speaker 7 (18:59):
The this yeah, really terrible group.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
They have entered this. My problems with this episode have
nothing to do with the actors in it.

Speaker 8 (19:07):
They fully understand that they have wandered into one of
the goofiest episodes of Little House ever produced. Meanwhile, Victor
French Kingley plays Headwards as a weary hostage tract inside
a live action Western cartoon Yes it got very wildly coyote,
while the older brother stagger from one idiotic scheme to another,

(19:28):
like outlaw cousins of the Three Stooges. The result is
a bizarre mix of Frontiers, lapstick backwards absurdity, and Saturday
matinee Western parody that feels compig out of character for
the Little House of the Prairie, which.

Speaker 6 (19:42):
Is precisely what makes it strangely unforgettable. Yes, yes, it's yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
Yes, we've never got ahead, Pamela, you're obviously just like.

Speaker 8 (19:53):
He's shopping at the bit to describe the Ianity.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
So here's my conflict right now, is that we love
Little House on the Prairie, like obviously, like we revere
the show. We can point out some funny things about it,
but still have complete love and admiration for it. Excuse
me this episode, and I'm trying to be kind because

(20:21):
I don't want to like completely bash it. However, this
episode felt like a different show, like this was not.
This episode had nothing to do with the Little House
in the Prairie and it wasn't even really in the
world of Little House in the Prairie. We've had episodes,
there are plenty of episodes that are one offs, that

(20:44):
that take people we've never seen before, made them lead,
and then we never see them again after that. We've
seen We've had funny, stupid episodes and pure comedic episodes.
Right this one felt like it was not Little House
on the Prairie, And it also to me felt like

(21:04):
the actors were so good, but the material wasn't good
enough for it to work. So it was funny, but
it wasn't funny enough. It almost became annoying in terms
of like how it was trying. It was trying to be.
It was a combination between like Dalist blazing saddles and

(21:27):
and Dalist blow and hearty.

Speaker 6 (21:33):
Okay, when it started, when it started, this.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Is not a good episode, you guys, this is not
And this is season nine where it's all it's a
little hit or miss how the episodes go. But and
I said this before, this is an episode I watched
and went, oh wow, they ran out of ideas. They
forgot the they forgot the world that we love and
that we want to live in. They went outside of

(21:56):
the world, and they clearly lost their way as the writers.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
Well okay, okay, that okay, when I.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Finished, I know that's harsh that that was my takeaway
from this episode.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
Okay takeaway.

Speaker 8 (22:11):
Let me just say, first of all, as you say,
season nine had its tissues, I just like to say,
did you notice in season nine they had to bring
me back? For one, they had to bring me back.
I was long gone. I wasn't an age. I was over,
I had left the show. I'd been gone for over
a year and suddenly they're calling my agent. No, really,
could she come over and do this one episode the
return of Nelly? Well, I don't know, I mean she
left the No really could she really come into Like now,

(22:35):
there was like an emergency call, so let's just say
just saying now, okay.

Speaker 6 (22:42):
As soon as it started, I went, ah.

Speaker 8 (22:44):
The Western music and you know, I can listen to
the music from The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
It starts out with the one a ah, but later
it gets it is literally spaghetti Western music.

Speaker 7 (22:55):
David Rose absolutely.

Speaker 8 (22:57):
Lifting Bart little how at all he's doing.

Speaker 6 (23:02):
It's a spaghetti Western gag.

Speaker 8 (23:03):
And the close ups of the booth and like, oh yeah,
Clinice Wood's gonna show up any minute, It's gonna go anyway. Yeah,
got it. So we're getting it total spaghetti Western parody.
The close ups when they're shooting at cans and the
terrible weird zoom in and I went, oh, I've seen
this movie.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
Wait is this is this the Magnificent Seven? Is this
The Good, the Bad, the Ugly?

Speaker 7 (23:22):
Which one really complete extremes.

Speaker 8 (23:26):
Yeah, the gag literally of why it is called The
Older Brothers is they are, in fact the criminal team
of the younger Brothers of the wild West who go
look on on a prison. We're the older brothers. Now,
like let us announce the title. So that's probably why
like the level of dumbness here. I have to bet
when Blazing Saddles came out, that was in nineteen seventy four,
when our show started, and our beautiful Jack Lily that

(23:50):
we was in Blazing Saddles and he's.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
Our waggon guy who's the old time with the big musta.

Speaker 8 (23:55):
Well, when we were working on the show as kids,
and well Katherin McGregor, who loved all the you know Melbourne,
we would quote Blazing Shaddles all the time. We were
constantly joking around on the set in nineteen seventy four
anytime anybody did anything and just going, oh, yeah, the
towns people, we're making every possible Blazing Saddles game.

Speaker 6 (24:16):
So there was a blazing saddle ha ha.

Speaker 8 (24:19):
Sure thing that had been going on for years, and
I guess in this episode they went, well, everybody's gone,
let's just do a bad Blazing Saddles.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
I mean, it's it was such an interesting choice. It's
just for me it had nothing to do with the
Little House in the Prairie. It felt like I was
watching a completely different show, and the disconnect was it
was almost disconcerting how disconnected it was. Right like it

(24:51):
they've got, yeah, they've got now, they've forgotten what this
show is really about. And and I understood why it
didn't go on after the ninth season.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
Yeah, no, I look, yeah, I think look, let's give
let's focus on what I think are some positive things
there are really understand what you're saying about the world
that we were in here. I think one has to
give a lot of credit to jeff Lewis, Timothy Scott.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
They're amazing honor who are.

Speaker 7 (25:30):
In Sunshine Parker who was.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
In a unique world unto himself, and what he brings
to something, you know. I just think these guys, I
really as I watched Jeffrey Lewis work, and Jeffrey Lewis
is a fascinating backstory. Jeffrey Lewis is really one of
his deals was and people who might know him better

(25:53):
Catherine talked, We talked about this last night. Katherine had
much more awareness directly of Jeffrey Lewis. She worked with
Bob Donner on her first movie called Fool's Parade with
Jimmy Stewart. Oh my god, so she had a sense
of who he was. He apparently had some real reading challenges.

(26:17):
He could not learn a script as it was written.
He had to have it read to him when he
came into audition. He was always improvising. So once he
understood what the story was, I think we can probably
be pretty sure that a lot of what came out
of Jeffrey Lewis's mouth.

Speaker 7 (26:39):
And Michael knew this coming into it. He knew who
Jeffrey Lewis was, but he.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
Also understood that Jeffrey Lewis had this ability to commit
totally to an idea.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Listen, he's brilliant. He's really really if that's like the
takeaway from this episode is how brilliant this guy is.

Speaker 8 (27:01):
All of them, all of them Billy Boys, the Bully
Boys episode, the eldest bully.

Speaker 6 (27:07):
Boy in that episode?

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Is he right? Yes, he was.

Speaker 8 (27:11):
He was on Little House more than once and he's
the eldest brother here and he's the eldest brother in
the stupid Bully Boys, the three.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
Idiot criminal brothers. Then that's like he like apparently they
brought about, Yeah you won't do that again.

Speaker 8 (27:22):
Yeah, sure, it's he's the older brother in that, and
and his IMDb is like, oh.

Speaker 7 (27:27):
Yeah, no, no, I mean he's just a are you're
talking about Bob Donner?

Speaker 6 (27:30):
Now, well, Bob Donner.

Speaker 8 (27:32):
Bob Donner was in everything, The Wall Tends Ncy Together.

Speaker 6 (27:35):
But Jeffrey no, no.

Speaker 7 (27:36):
Jeffrey Lewis of course was the older brother in The Bully.

Speaker 8 (27:39):
Of course, Sam Gallinger Gallender in the Horrible Bully Boys episode.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
That the Bully Boys episode works at.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
The Boy Boys episode is a totally little house episode.

Speaker 7 (27:51):
I think it's one of the little House episode.

Speaker 8 (27:54):
He was in the Clint Eastwood movies, a whole bunch
of them. So he was the spaghetti Western earner. And yeah,
he's got that down. He did all of that. He
doesn't now think about Robert one of them. Who's the
one who was in Cheyenne Social Club?

Speaker 6 (28:08):
Is that Donner?

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Who was?

Speaker 8 (28:09):
No, wait, that's Sunshine Parker. Great Sunshine Parker. Let's give up.
Sunshine Parker was in everything. He's just in everything. There
is no movie or television show apparently that's made in
the history of Earth that did not have Sunshine Parker
wackadoo sheriff in it, and he was in Cheyenne Social
Club with Charlotte Stewarts.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
There to Go All Roads a Prairie Man.

Speaker 8 (28:31):
Five episodes of Little House, three episodes Bonanza, and pe
Wee Herman's Big Adventure. So yeah, so Sunshine the wackadoo
sheriff guy is apparently.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
One of my favorite Sunshine Parker performances is in a
John Cusack film called.

Speaker 7 (28:45):
The shere Thing. Oh yeah, of course, where he's.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
You know, he's in a bar and John Cusack is
getting drunk and they have this drunken conversation about who
knows what it's about, but it's it's all about the
women that they wish they had but didn't have.

Speaker 7 (29:03):
Funny, funny funny.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
Uh look, I think, I mean when you look at
what this was there, really it was stan Ivar and
me and Ruth Foster were the only sort of Little
House people in this episode.

Speaker 7 (29:22):
It stunned me.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
When I realized as I watched it again, because I
hadn't watched it in years.

Speaker 7 (29:28):
But it wasn't in the episode.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
No, no, not an ingles. No, there's not a single angles.
And not only that, but it was definitely. I even
wrote this in my notes, I said, uh, Dean and
Stan are now the studs of Walnut Grove, right, Like
it's the two of you, like the manly men, like

(29:50):
the total Like you know, you're you're Michael landon Times
two now, right, Like it's it.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
I wish that were the case and in terms of.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Like what you are now representing on the show, but
it's it's like, it's the two of you together. And
it was very very clear in this episode that you
guys were like the foundation of Little House at this point.
So because the fact that Melissa wasn't even in this episode,

(30:22):
not even for a peep, is surprised. It is wild
she does not appear in this episode at all.

Speaker 7 (30:32):
Yeah, you may have had a conflict that week that
was unavoidable.

Speaker 6 (30:37):
It's very possible.

Speaker 7 (30:38):
Don't know that. Don't know.

Speaker 8 (30:40):
Jean at the mill, are you wearing not the same
shirt but a model sort of of the pink stripey
shirt that Charles used to wear all the time.

Speaker 7 (30:49):
Possible? I think they were sort of Charles, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yes, Also, trousers were impeccably tailored, I'll just put it
that way. Very flattering, very flattering line.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
You know.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
They I have to say, the trousers were you know,
were beautifully made.

Speaker 7 (31:14):
They were they look.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
They you know, they were lined, so they just fit
like unbelievable like something.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, they were different than the normal trouser because they
had this leg effect. You also kind of have the eighties,
the nineteen eighties hair in this now because it's no
longer the seventies, Like how would you call it? What
was your hair? The flow over the lot? It was

(31:46):
that mop of hair, and now it's sort of the
the fringy, sort of mulldy thing going on in a
good way, in a good way.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
I never I never connected with it as mulldy, but
that's uh.

Speaker 7 (32:00):
But there was a lot of hair.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
No, but but it was obvious. It was very obvious
that it's like here are the studs of the prairie,
like use them, baby, use them?

Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah, yeah, uh, you know, I think and I'm just
could do a.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
You know, a tell on myself here. This was so.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
This was so out of character for what we had
been asked to do in the past.

Speaker 7 (32:33):
And I had really no.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
I had no serious uh background in this kind of material.

Speaker 7 (32:46):
Now, you know, I think that.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
You couldn't you know, you couldn't change the essence of
who the people were.

Speaker 7 (32:55):
Ben I thic. Look, we could certainly get silly in
episodes like the in Laws there was you know.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
Michael and I got silly and we did the cooking
and we you know, there were things.

Speaker 7 (33:05):
There were moments like that, Yes.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
With with Katherine McGregor and Divorce wallmac Grove style and
the and the apron and all of that.

Speaker 7 (33:13):
We could have fun with.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
That was it and season were the straight.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
We were the straight guys in this right and we
had to we we had to be that. We had
to sort of be what we were expected to be.
Victor could always go back and forth from menacing as
we saw in the previous episode that we covered, to
this and this even because he was leaving space for
them to be the three but the brothers and the

(33:41):
sheriff be the crazy ones.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
He had a more grounded quality in this himself.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, he was. It was Edwards was even like the
whole thing was just peculiar. It did not feel like
mister Edwards. It did not feel like John Carter and
all on, so will like, it didn't feel like who
you guys, what we know you guys to be on
the show.

Speaker 6 (34:07):
I like the jail scene when the two of you
were Pete and take the bar. How cute were they?

Speaker 8 (34:13):
Remember, now this is awful, sorry Dean, but remember I
said it for that, Like you know those Christmas Claymation special,
Santa Claus is coming to town and the little characters.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Like the dentist from Rudolph. Yes, right, but he.

Speaker 8 (34:31):
Kind of looks like the Chris Kringle and Santa Claus
is coming to town and an amazing character and in
this particular one, wow, yikes when he peaked through the
bars with the wine.

Speaker 7 (34:42):
That's funny a clamation character.

Speaker 6 (34:46):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
If that is not indicative of how weird this episode is,
then I don't know what it was.

Speaker 6 (34:55):
Super cartoon. It got very wily coyote with the dynamite.
Every day there answer.

Speaker 7 (35:00):
I loved the dynamite.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
How do we do that? Well, I have a stick
of dynamite.

Speaker 7 (35:04):
And he always Tim Scott always had a stick of dynamite,
and it.

Speaker 6 (35:08):
Was her answer to everything. How do we open this up? Well, dynamite? Yeah,
and I went, it's wiley coyote.

Speaker 8 (35:15):
And then but you through the bars with the why
I went and now it is a cartoon, okay.

Speaker 7 (35:21):
I you know one of my the Looney tune.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
The Looney tunes that feature Yosemite Sam ll have been
my absolute favorites of the Looney tune other than Bugs Bunny,
Yosemite Sam is the character for me. Jeff Lewis I
think was channeling Yosemite.

Speaker 7 (35:39):
Sam absolutely well throughout this with a ball over that
you know, he's just sort of fumbling. He was quieter
about it.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
He was, you know, Yosemite Sam was really demonstrative.

Speaker 7 (35:50):
I just love the way.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
He he took his time process what he was hearing
and reacting to it. I just think I think they
were wonderful, but it wasn't our show.

Speaker 8 (36:06):
There was a blazing Shaddles moment like when the bank,
So they're in the apparently that was first the bank,
and the like are they in a ghost town?

Speaker 7 (36:13):
Is there anything? Right?

Speaker 6 (36:15):
Is even happening?

Speaker 7 (36:16):
Flashed back? It's like, what going there?

Speaker 6 (36:19):
There's tumbleweeds? How is there.

Speaker 7 (36:22):
No one there? Right?

Speaker 8 (36:23):
And then later though they were at the when they're
at the jail and the townspeople come out, they were
not They weren't dressed like our little house townspeople. They
were dressed exactly like the townspeople joke.

Speaker 7 (36:42):
Yes, that's interesting.

Speaker 8 (36:43):
There were some blatant blazing saddles like in Jokes, and
then spaghetti western injin and then a lot of whitely
coyote I.

Speaker 6 (36:50):
Like that mister Edwards is taking a bath in his
long Johns.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
No, why was he any of this long johns?

Speaker 5 (36:56):
You never Maybe he didn't want to have BC, you know,
you know, maybe he just do He had some shy
the never nude thing with.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
The shower in the shore the development development character is
he never nude. I also love how we're jumping around
and not even trying to tell what the story of.

Speaker 7 (37:19):
I don't think there's any point of really trying to Billy. Yeah, yeah,
I don't think that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Okay, So Dean, as this was filming, like when you
got the script and as you're filming this, did you
think this is not prairie like or did you just
go with it because it was?

Speaker 7 (37:40):
I think we just would, you know, Pamela, I think.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
I think in that situation, the material, I mean, there
was so much.

Speaker 7 (37:50):
Going on in all of our lives during this season.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
There was there was a lot of distraction, and I'm
sorry that there was so much distraction, but there was
a lot of distraction during this particular season.

Speaker 7 (38:05):
So the and with.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
With Michael not there on an ongoing basis, the way
he had been, you know, you don't realize it's I mean,
everyone knew always obviously how great he was and how
solid he was, but you don't realize what is missing
when that presence of course not there, and it's not there.

Speaker 8 (38:29):
Right, not cheating my own horn, but everybody's presence. Everybody's
gonna get Melissa, So Anderson is no longer there, Karen's
not really.

Speaker 7 (38:37):
There, well Karen's not yet, no Karen at all.

Speaker 8 (38:41):
And when I came back, I'm just saying season nine
in the cality back because like it was like nine
to one one, can we have Neilli Eelson please come
back for an episode? Help us, and just saying, and
I had a really good time and I'm so glad
I came back and it was like awesome. But I'm
just saying more than one person did come to me
and say, oh my god. I'm saying, God, you're here,

(39:01):
this is so cool. Listen, when you're not here, whatever
energy you were bringing isn't here.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
It's really kind of bring you fulfilled the role besides
being Ellie Elson on.

Speaker 8 (39:14):
The set, amongst the all that industry, you were like
a comedy buffer if we got bored or tired or
tents and you'd say something silly and and they said
you you fulfilled a certain role and you're not here,
and and and just noticing you back even.

Speaker 6 (39:31):
For a day.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
Look, I don't disagree with I don't disagree with with
any of that.

Speaker 7 (39:37):
I think you know, when you when you remove what has.

Speaker 5 (39:42):
Been the core of something, and then there are five
new characters added during that season, and I think.

Speaker 7 (39:54):
I just don't know that.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
I just don't know that any of us were prepared
or that the show as a as a matter of
staffing and creative energy, was prepared to really move on
from what Michael and Karen had brought and what Allison,
what you all brought. Now we had Nancy Olson who

(40:20):
was but crazy instead of funny, and you know, yeah,
I just think that there's I think that there's a
lot to be evaluated here. And I think this episode,
more than the episode itself, it really speaks to what
was missing.

Speaker 7 (40:39):
I mean, it could be a lot about what was missing.

Speaker 8 (40:41):
You feel, ever, that Little House in New Beginning was
technically kind of a new show, like a spin off
almost beginning. It's a different show and you have to
take it on its own terms.

Speaker 7 (40:53):
I don't know why it did, Frankly, I don't know why.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
Maybe they felt because Michael was gone that they had
to change the title.

Speaker 7 (41:02):
I don't know that Michael in some way.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
Maybe insisted that the title change, or that it was
NBC who insisted the title change, whether it was it
a rights issue that forced lan Ch Analysis is still
listed as you know, inspired by, so the rights were
still connected to this.

Speaker 7 (41:25):
I just think it was, uh, you know. I think
what we can say is that this season.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Nine of Little House was never going to make anyone
forget what came before it, and I think in fact,
it made people long for what was what had made
it so special. I think that the program had moments.
I think Pamela Roylance and stan Ivar added a one
grounded There was there was romance, there, there was a

(41:58):
relationship there, that the boys were terrific.

Speaker 7 (42:03):
All of that was, all of that was really good.

Speaker 6 (42:06):
And here I'm a Nancy.

Speaker 11 (42:07):
I'm a Nancy that David Friedman was so charming as
the little you know, super Bowl haircut, adorable kid.

Speaker 7 (42:20):
He was wonderful. I just think it was not I
don't know, Melissa.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
And I, I don't know, you know that we were
really prepared to carry this.

Speaker 8 (42:38):
It was so different. I feel like it almost should
have been a spin off. And I don't know, call
it the Lauren Almonzo Show or something like that, because.

Speaker 6 (42:46):
It kind of was.

Speaker 7 (42:47):
Yeah, but I think, yeah, but.

Speaker 8 (42:52):
You even mentioned isn't this episode technically we did it
a lot of times from Bonanza. Yes, it is often said, Hey,
I really liked that episode of Bonanza. I wonder if
I could do it differently, or do it better or whatever,
what would it look like with these people at Aberkadabra.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
There's an episode, So yeah, I think, I think and
this was This was the version of the Bonanza episode
was called the Younger Brother's Younger Brother was what it
was actually called. This was so this was so Michael's
sense of humor, the goofy when he wasn't making you cry.

Speaker 7 (43:29):
This was the goofy sense of humor. Yes, that he had.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
I mean this episode I have it in the notes
at the end of the brundown. But this featured Struther
Martin and Chuck McCann and Henry Jones. I mean, as
Michael did it, as Michael wrote it. Then it was Hass,
it was Hass and little Joe and Ben Hass was kidnapped.

(43:55):
I mean it just and you just by this point
in time, they all had this space covered.

Speaker 7 (44:04):
They knew how to do this kind of material.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yes, a great and but also yes, and but also
I mean, here's the thing. In season nine, I've always
stood up for Pamroy Lancenstan, I've at like the Carter listen.
I think the Carter family worked. I think that Jenny worked.

(44:30):
I think that the new characters and the new plot lines,
and without mam Pa, I think he was I think
Michae Landon was actually incredibly successful filling in those holes
that were no longer in the show. I think it worked,
which is insanely amazing that he was able to take

(44:50):
what was no longer there. Nancy worked like it it
all worked, and I think the reason is, I mean,
first of all, casting, he cast brilliant people, cast people
like Michael and like Karen and and even though there
were boys, they filled in those totally. That the the
types right, and they did it well. They were. It

(45:13):
was perfect casting. But also he kept it in the
world of Little House in the Prairie, right where we
laughed and we cried and we learned the lessons and
we and it felt like that world. And I don't know,
for me, it's almost like they just ran out of

(45:37):
the juice, you know, like because this episode is and
I said it before, it's it's not good enough, do
you know what I mean? Like it's it's yes, Michael
Landon's wheelouse in terms of like he was a comedic
genius as well as a dramatic genius. Like, yes, he
could write really funny crap, and yes, he he got

(45:59):
actors that were able to do it brilliantly and yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
And yet something was lacking in this one that we've
never really seen lacking before in episodes. And so that's
why I'm like, it's season nine. Was he just was
he just lose I think he just lost the plot.

Speaker 7 (46:20):
You know, like I think I you know, I really
think that. And he certainly earned the right to step on.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Me look at it totally.

Speaker 7 (46:32):
Would he'd look at what he had done.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
There were four hundred and thirty episodes of Bonanza, followed
by two hundred and six something two hundred and three
in syndication, and then the various movies that went into that.
There was an enormous amount of output. Yeah, and all that,

(46:57):
and I think, I think the eyes and the scale
of Little House, so having to deal with all the
different characters and keep everybody alive and keep keep this
somehow fresh, I just think it had to have been
exhausted of absolutely absolutely hearing how many episodes it is.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
But that's exactly what I'm saying. Unfortunately, I feel like
this episode was indicative of that. Like I felt like
this episode was like, oh, they they've their steam is
run out, you know, and look, look, I just looked
up because I don't want to disparage all of season nine,
because there are some really good episodes in season nine.

(47:42):
Times are changing well to Olsonville, Rage, Little Lou Wild Boy,
Return of Nelly.

Speaker 7 (47:48):
A Bonanza episode.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Yeah, yes, they're just there are some good episodes in
this but I don't I don't know what happened that.
You know, we have this one and then we have
the Love of Blanche in season nine, so there.

Speaker 6 (48:05):
Like we're Monday morning quarterbacking rewriting episodes.

Speaker 8 (48:08):
Of course, what if they had started this episode, because
you know what was it blessed all their children?

Speaker 6 (48:14):
And the Christmas never forgot as a story.

Speaker 8 (48:16):
If mister Edwards was sitting with oh, say, you know
the Carter's boys, Chad, well, let me tell you about
the time the younger brother's.

Speaker 6 (48:26):
Gang interesting and it was a peaky story.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
He was telling, Yeah, that would have worked better, and
then we could come.

Speaker 8 (48:36):
Back to the fireplace and go, boy were they dene
and it would be like you, you know, you.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
Wonder it raises, it raises Alice. I think that's a
really good I think that's a really good thought. It
does raise the question as to how behind the eight
ball he was at that moment and he went back
into his Michael went back into his memory, and what
can we pull out really fast to fill this space.

(49:06):
It's certainly possible. We'll never know. There's no way of
querying Michael on this. I don't think Michael kept diaries,
you know, so that I don't think there's any way
to know.

Speaker 7 (49:19):
But it is.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
I agree, it is. The it's a sign, it's a
sign of something larger.

Speaker 8 (49:28):
There's a moral, there's a moral there's morals. There's still
a moral one. Dynamite is not useful for every occasion. No,
you can't turn yourself in for the crime and.

Speaker 6 (49:40):
Collect well, but adding you need to know.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
But Allison, I think you've hit the nail on the
head in terms of like every Little House episode, even
the silly ones, had some moral that you walked away going,
that's why this episode happened, right, and episode I've ever
seen where I was like, what did I just take
away from this one?

Speaker 6 (50:04):
No, don't don't be an idiot, stay in school because
clearly these people are really don't well or you could
wind up please these bad.

Speaker 12 (50:14):
Yes, what I got, Yeah that that case was never made,
but that you know you could you could certainly make
that case. Let's stick down at the risk of taking
command here for a second time.

Speaker 7 (50:26):
The break.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
We're gonna take a break because I love that we're
not actually talking about what happened, because this is just
not worth it.

Speaker 6 (50:33):
Everything kind of is a b everything's.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
A blur and it's all silliness. But okay, well come back,
because I have some questions for what was going on
with you in season nine. All Right, we'll be back.

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Speaker 3 (51:13):
All right, it is so I like this.

Speaker 8 (51:15):
I think this is a fascinating discussion because of the
changes in nine and then why Yeah, like I said,
it's just a dream sequence.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Well it felt maybe they made if they've made it
a story that misters said once upon a time or dreams,
he would go up, sir.

Speaker 6 (51:32):
But they tried to say this actually happens. That's why
we're having a problem.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yes, yeah, I think Allison, I think you're I think
that is absolutely right.

Speaker 7 (51:43):
It's a dream. Yeah, we certainly the show did a
lot of dreams. Yeah, so have some wonderful dreams.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Yes, wonder Like I said, we've never oh, we've never
had this before where you walked away from an episode
going why did I what was that about?

Speaker 7 (52:01):
Like?

Speaker 3 (52:01):
What what did I learn from this? Yeah, right, even
I think, yeah, I mean, we should really revisit Blanche
one of these days to see if we walk away,
whether we walk away having learned.

Speaker 7 (52:14):
Actually, I think there may be a lesson.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
I think so too.

Speaker 7 (52:18):
Yeah, Nelson is just clutching the boos. At least it
was in our world, right.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Oh my goodness. So Dean, during season nine, were you concerned, like,
because again, there were good episodes in season nine, but
it did take a different tone. Did you have an
awareness or a concern that like, oof, this is losing
steam or like, oh, maybe we're not going to be renewed,
Like what did you know? What didn't you know? What
were your thoughts about what was going on?

Speaker 7 (52:50):
Well? Okay, so for all of the all the you know,
the sort of the.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Oh yeah, we're back, sorry we started yet. Yes I'm
sorry I didn't say we're back, but we're definitely back.

Speaker 7 (53:04):
Okay, Oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 (53:05):
Yeah, So for all the critique that we're giving this,
you know, the show, by the time that season nine
was over, the show was still in the top twenty, right,
so you know, it hadn't it hadn't collapsed, but it
clearly wasn't what.

Speaker 7 (53:21):
It was yeah, what it had been No, you know,
no question about that. You know, I just.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
I don't and I don't know how Melissa and her
team approached this season in terms of, you know, in
terms of commenting on it. But you know, I would
say that Michael's grip, even though he was not present
physically on the set, he was still the executive producer
of the program, and so nobody was going to question that.

(53:59):
You know that that just wasn't going to happen. There
was there was no way anyone was going to go
into a meeting and say, we're not really liking the
way this is being written. Nowt NBC is in the
position at that point to raise these questions.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
But NBC is not in the writer's room.

Speaker 7 (54:20):
I mean, but NBC approves all the scripts.

Speaker 5 (54:24):
So they had to be you know, they they were
in the writer's room.

Speaker 7 (54:29):
Fact that they were one step away from the writer,
but they had.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Access, okay, relighted. So do you think there were other
writers who were.

Speaker 5 (54:38):
Like, well, we had it, we had a we had
a different we had one at least a couple of
new writers.

Speaker 7 (54:44):
But the one that I remember is Chris Abbott who
came in.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
And was a big part of a big part of
season nine. I think she certainly was a part of
season eight.

Speaker 7 (55:00):
I think that you know, our audience, and I apologize
for this.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
Our audience is I can't really be as definitive about
this because I think that there was such a sense
that Michael was the commander here.

Speaker 7 (55:15):
And no one would no one, even though it may
have been.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
It may have been necessary, but no one was going
to test that.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
So no one was going to say, Mike, this script
is not up to snuff.

Speaker 7 (55:30):
There's never that would not have happened.

Speaker 8 (55:38):
This is what he is and he's doing it exactly.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
So uh, you know, I I think that I felt
so and this is maybe, you know, the wrong mindset
to have had, but I was so grateful to be
in this position sure that that it wasn't and I
was so distracted by so many other things going on.

(56:04):
You know, there's a lot that comes at you when
you are in that position that doesn't come at you
when you are a member of the ensemble, which is
what I had been. You know, I went from number
fourteen to number two on the call sheet. That changes things.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
So can you give and you don't have to give
anything away that you don't want to give away, But
can you give a kind of example of the type
of things that are coming at you now that weren't
before well or not totally.

Speaker 7 (56:37):
Yeah, no, no, no, Look, I think that.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
You can be generic.

Speaker 7 (56:41):
I became very.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
I think I became in that last season very drawn
into all of the social things that go along with
being a position that I had access to now as
a twenty seven to twenty eight year old man that
I maybe didn't have access to in the beginning.

Speaker 7 (57:06):
So there was there was a lot pulling on focus.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
And publicity pressure.

Speaker 7 (57:14):
You're all of that because I know from.

Speaker 8 (57:17):
Being a non song person that initially in the first years,
all publicity was focused on Michael land And and Melissa
Gilbert and then the whole family, and then gradually, oh,
let's talk about the Olsens, Oh let's talk about the
other people. But and the primary focus was Michael and
Melissa primarily Michael, and then the family and then everybody
own's next ring, next ring, next ring, and then it

(57:39):
was kind of like a big deal when like, you know,
around third I get down the hill in the wheelchair.
Somewhere around there, publicity about Nellie Elson get more of
a thing and each person targeted. But you're number two
in the call sheet and it's now the Laura and
Alonzo Show, all publicity, TV Guide, in the National inquir
and everyone else is going and what you're thing.

Speaker 6 (57:57):
You're now that guy.

Speaker 8 (58:00):
That's a huge thing, the pressure of the publicity machine
when you're now that guy.

Speaker 6 (58:04):
And also now you're the cute guy. Yeah, Boston here,
Adam's not here.

Speaker 8 (58:09):
There's no team at Team Adams, team Charles, ye, it's you.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
I was like, it was very very clear at the
beginning of this episode, like, oh, the stud. There's the
official stud on the prairie. Like we're talking.

Speaker 8 (58:22):
About the episode of the pants the pants, think the
pants the pants.

Speaker 6 (58:28):
Yeah, physically.

Speaker 8 (58:31):
You know, yeah, and so yeah, absolutely you were now
supposed to be the simple there was a focus on
you physical.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
No, undoubtedly, undoubtedly it's.

Speaker 6 (58:40):
And it's it's great. Welcome to Hollywood.

Speaker 8 (58:42):
It is cuckoo, and so I can solely see where
like all kinds of weird things would be.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
So here's the you know, I think, as I have
thought about this in the years that have followed all.

Speaker 7 (58:55):
Of this, I mean, we we don't.

Speaker 5 (58:58):
Get to pick the time when something happens. No, we
just we don't get to choose. And you know, you're
fortunate if you can really truly be ready for.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
It, yes, you know, and then enjoy it and enjoy
it in.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
Retrospect like but I think about you know, Michael was
a relative kid when he started on Bonanza, and and
he had all these these other guys around him. And
Michael was wonderful right from the very beginning. But he
wasn't expected to carry things. He always carried his load,

(59:39):
but he wasn't he wasn't the man He had fourteen.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Years so crazy.

Speaker 5 (59:45):
To figure that space out right, and he certainly by
the time that was over, Michael was the alpha, no question,
he was the alpha situation. There were I wish I
had been. I either had more underneath me or another
year or two with a raised level of expectation so

(01:00:11):
that I could grow into that space perhaps a little
bit more, a little more confidently.

Speaker 6 (01:00:19):
But they took you, they went Dott instead of.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Which, on one hand, must have been a huge confidence
booster that they had that much that they.

Speaker 7 (01:00:34):
Yes, and now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
So right, because if you're also I think.

Speaker 7 (01:00:42):
I think it's a I think it's a challenge. I
you know. Look, I wrote about this in Prairie Man
This this time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:00:52):
Uh, it was just it was a it was a
it was a challenging time.

Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
I think what I can be very grateful for, and
I really truly am, is that I got to be
part of it at it at least there was all
the key ingredients were still in place when I came
into this, So I got to experience evolved versions of

(01:01:19):
these characters. But I got to experience everybody in like
in a really strong place as to who they were
and what they were, what was expected of them, what
their flavor was, what they were going to deliver you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:34):
You got to do cinnamon chicken when Nelly also was
at peak.

Speaker 7 (01:01:37):
Peak, yeah exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
And when when it changed, there were I mean, look,
Catherine was still there, Richard Bowl was still there, but
it was it was different because you weren't there, Allison,
So the dynamic was different, Alan, Brother Cat. It was
fascinating to watch Catherine change with Nancy where she changed

(01:02:05):
with Nancy, because suddenly what she got was, oh my god,
what have I gotten myself into? There was never that
with you, Nancy. I've inherited, I've bought the devil child.
What am I going to do now? So she was
different in that in that last year, it'd be funny, wonderful,

(01:02:28):
all of that.

Speaker 7 (01:02:31):
Just the whole world, the whole world.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
The balance of the world emotionally, thematically in terms of
what we were expected to bring.

Speaker 7 (01:02:40):
I think shifted a lot. And there had been and
I would.

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
Also say this, interestingly enough, there was not There were
no meetings about this.

Speaker 7 (01:02:53):
There were no there were no.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
You know, Michael having a meeting and saying calling us
in and saying, Okay, this is what's going to happen now,
and here's how we're going to do this.

Speaker 7 (01:03:08):
There were no conversations like that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
I do remember before the season started, and I wrote
about this in Prairie Man, where Victor took Melissa and
I out for dinner to one of Victor's favorite drinking joints.
I mean, this crack up being Melissa's what seventeen at
that point, We're sitting in this spoky bar situation, having

(01:03:32):
having dinner, Melissa with a little bow in her hair,
and you know, and and Victor was trying to What
Victor tried to do was he was having that conversation
with us that Michael did not have with us, which is,
this is what we think we're going to do, And

(01:03:53):
it was really it was really more about I don't
know that Victor knew what was coming script wise.

Speaker 7 (01:03:58):
I don't know that Victor was there wasn't a producer
on the program. I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
He knew that, but he did know that the three
of us had to stand firmly together on this to
to and and look that relationship.

Speaker 7 (01:04:16):
Victor's relationship with Melissa.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Was wonderful, so she would have been all in with that.

Speaker 7 (01:04:23):
I had total faith in Victor.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
I mean, Victor was a wonderful, embracing director and you know,
a wonderful scene.

Speaker 7 (01:04:32):
Partner and all of that. He was great.

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
But we had nothing to say, and nor should we
have at that time in our lives, about the content.
We were not invited to consider the content, just jumping ahead.
When I did the When I did The New Gidget
three years later, my critiques on scripts were.

Speaker 7 (01:04:59):
Re intense.

Speaker 5 (01:05:02):
Wow, but I felt like I had I felt like
there was no Michael Land right there.

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
And someone had to say something.

Speaker 8 (01:05:13):
You bottled it up for years and finally did they
take your opinion?

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
Occasionally, so Harry Harry, Afkterman, who was the dean of
television comedy who was I love Lucy and I mean,
Harry was great.

Speaker 7 (01:05:29):
He was very generous and took my notes.

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
I remember him, you know, when I was feeling particularly
suicidal about a set of we.

Speaker 7 (01:05:36):
Shot five at a time.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
We shot a We boarded five episodes at a time
and shot them together as one board.

Speaker 7 (01:05:45):
So he was very generous in taking some of my notes.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
But he did call me afterwards and said, now, you
can't do this ever again.

Speaker 7 (01:05:55):
I'm listening to now because he I feel how concerned
you are.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
But you have to be careful moving forward because we're
evolving and changing here.

Speaker 7 (01:06:10):
And this was a new show. That was not the
case with Little House.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
I mean, it was always Michael in the number one seat.
I just don't know that Michael was as present in
the number one seat as maybe he had.

Speaker 6 (01:06:21):
Been so many shows. Like when I met the people
at Love Boat and they.

Speaker 8 (01:06:25):
Were saying, how well, yeah, we have a meeting at
the beginning of the year with all the actors and
the writers.

Speaker 6 (01:06:29):
We talked about would you what you whoa wa what?

Speaker 8 (01:06:32):
You have a meeting and they tell you what's coming next,
and you discuss it.

Speaker 7 (01:06:37):
That would have been Yeah, we never had that on
the laws.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Never.

Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
There was never a table reading, there was never there
was there was no rehearsal.

Speaker 7 (01:06:46):
Then what was down on the set.

Speaker 6 (01:06:48):
Just get you go go back.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
What's interesting to me though, is that. And I don't
remember whose book I remember reading. It might have been
your book, it might have been Melissa's book. I don't
know whose book. But I remember hearing about when the
show was, when Little House was canceled, how Victor French
really went on a crusade to petition to get it

(01:07:10):
back and to save it, and and part of me wonders, like,
I get it. You're an actor and you want you
want to work, and you love this job and you
love these people and blah blah blah blah. And on
the other hand, I'm like, did he not see that
it was losing the thing that made it the thing? Right?

Speaker 6 (01:07:27):
He wanted it back. I think he gued it, I
want a job.

Speaker 8 (01:07:32):
I think he went, we need Little House in the
Prairie and I'm gonna And.

Speaker 7 (01:07:35):
I think he loved what.

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
You know, we've talked about this before and so much
as we've learned so much from you know, from Tracy
Hall and from the late Victor Allen French about how
their father loved this character in a way that he
had never really loved any character that he played, always
incredibly competent, but this was a character that gave him

(01:07:57):
something absolutely that fueled him at a really nice way.

Speaker 7 (01:08:01):
So I think he really and I think Victor.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
Victor felt like if anyone could stand up for it,
it was could be him.

Speaker 8 (01:08:11):
Now I have to tell you that, I mean, I'm
gonna have to get go get therapy for this. But
the the you're now, you're pushing my buttons for my
guilt about not staying for another two years, Alison.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
You but but let me counter that, though, is that
they didn't know what to do with your character anymore. Either,
they ran at an esteem with your character you couldn't
have served the same purpose, and therefore the show would
have never been back.

Speaker 8 (01:08:42):
Toles hours countless hours wighing the two alternate alternate universes
in the alternate universe where I stayed, what would and
the all this universe?

Speaker 6 (01:08:51):
And it's crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:08:53):
Because I had I could have stayed, but I couldn't
have stayed because okay, virtually I completed seven freaking years
on a which is a hell of a long time,
and it was more than a third of my lifetime.

Speaker 6 (01:09:04):
At that point, I was nineteen years old. You know
how long seven years this when you're nineteen years old.
I was all of junior high, all of high school.
My braces went on, my braces came off. I got
through junior high, all the way through high school.

Speaker 8 (01:09:15):
I moved out of my parents, and then they bought
a gondominium and learned to drive.

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
And I was still I, y'all, wearing the wig.

Speaker 8 (01:09:21):
And holy moly, so that was a little bizarre, and
it was kind of like, maybe I should stop because
this is crazy. Also, they didn't say two more years.
Had they said, and I will swear to stack of bibles?

Speaker 7 (01:09:33):
Oh, they were asking for seven, right or five four
four four.

Speaker 8 (01:09:37):
Had they said it's only two more years, I probably
would have said yes.

Speaker 6 (01:09:41):
But they said you must sign for four years. And
I remember it was a whole story about the horrible
guy they sent it.

Speaker 8 (01:09:46):
Negosha, who later got sent to negotiate with Michael and
he had a fit. So this guy was not liked,
but he talked to my age and well, okay, not
for how about two years, No, four years, take it
to leave it? Well, how about a raise?

Speaker 6 (01:09:58):
No, take it to leave it? Okay, maybe more episodes.

Speaker 7 (01:10:00):
Yeah, I mean it was a ton ofment negotiating environmental.

Speaker 6 (01:10:04):
Awful, awful. So my agent said, I'm sorry.

Speaker 8 (01:10:08):
I've been an agent since practically like they started talkies,
and I've never had this poor negotiation where literally they
don't even come back and go, will maybe this what
if we threw in like this?

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Nothing?

Speaker 6 (01:10:20):
Just no, that's the off he said.

Speaker 8 (01:10:22):
They're talking to you like you work in like a
tune of factory or something.

Speaker 6 (01:10:26):
This is not like a TV show. Even I don't
even know what to do with this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
So obviously they must have been surprised when they heard
that it was canceled if they were expecting at least
another four more years.

Speaker 8 (01:10:37):
Right, But here's the thing, so they they said I
still had a chance because even then my father, who
was like ro people rough and my agent was like,
I can't believe these guys. What they said, Okay, it
is still up to you. At nineteen, God help you,
it is still up to you. What do you think
this deal?

Speaker 6 (01:10:56):
From a trick.

Speaker 8 (01:10:57):
Strictly Hollywood perspective, strictly agement. We think this deal blows.
So just from perspective, it's not good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
I have this stal blow.

Speaker 8 (01:11:08):
From an age manager perspective, we would say, eh, but
you can still choose to do this. And then my
father said, but if the show keeps going, you're going
to be like Miss Kitty and gun Smoke can be
there forever.

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
And I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:11:20):
Oh, that's not good. And then they said, and you
did you're eighteen, Well you're nineteen. Now you're an adult.

Speaker 8 (01:11:26):
So no welfare work or no three hours school, no
limit to the eight hours, no guardian the set. You
realize that people who would not have hired you at
seventeen because then get eighteen to play fourteen and up,
would conceivably hire you when you're like a cute blonde
chick with big blue eyes. So you'd like work and
you don't have time to be in any of these
other things because they won't give you less episodes.

Speaker 7 (01:11:46):
And if that was right, so.

Speaker 8 (01:11:50):
A lot of people would say, it's the beginning of
your career. You should probably go try to look for things.
What do you want to do? And I said, my god,
I've been on this thing for freaking my entire life.

Speaker 6 (01:11:58):
Yeah, I think I maybe need a change, and you're right,
they don't. They don't sound like they want me.

Speaker 8 (01:12:02):
They're that bad.

Speaker 6 (01:12:03):
Let me think about it. I really need to think
about it.

Speaker 7 (01:12:06):
I have.

Speaker 8 (01:12:06):
Had I stayed, Steve Tracy would have still had a
job for another couple of years.

Speaker 6 (01:12:10):
He would have done that.

Speaker 8 (01:12:11):
And we definitely had a big throw down and talk
about that that we worked it out. He showed the understood,
he said, as an actor, I totally get, of course,
and so he understood. But now, on the other hand,
had it gone four more years and he was on,
you know, he would have gotten sick about while we
were on the show, which would have been a whole

(01:12:31):
other thing. Had I stayed, I wouldn't have left town
to go do dinner, theater and comedy, which was really
a good thing for me acting wise, and in my
personal life. You know, you ever have like you're trying
to break up the boyfriend, and what you really need
to do is leave town for a while.

Speaker 6 (01:12:50):
So a lot of really important stuff that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
I, yes, I do, I know, you know you.

Speaker 8 (01:12:56):
I had a whole list of important things that I
needed to do, like get out of town, get to
be away from my family, be away from things. Go
do theater, Go do this, meet other people, have a life,
get out of my lameoid relationship. Generally about seventeen things
that needed to get done, that got done because I laughed,
that would not have ever happened, and that needed to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
And you would have been on another two years pouring coffee.

Speaker 8 (01:13:21):
Or if I had stayed that's the thing, it would
have gone four years.

Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
Would it have gone four years?

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
Yeah, I don't think. No, I don't ever know. But
I also have a feeling that no, it wouldn't have
I really do it. Just it would be like they
ran out of ideas at a certa.

Speaker 10 (01:13:40):
You have had a subplot of Nelly and Percival and
Benny and Jenny over here, and that have had higher
her two sets of twins, the girl who would have
been a whole nightmare with the babies because they by
then they would have had they have the baby baby
twins for her and the baby twins for him.

Speaker 6 (01:13:54):
Ah, but you would have had that subplot.

Speaker 8 (01:13:57):
So what chemistry would have happened spin offs.

Speaker 6 (01:14:01):
Or other shows or would have gone four years?

Speaker 7 (01:14:04):
We don't really don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:14:05):
And the chemistry would have been different for everyone there
had I stay, And every time you hear these stories,
I sorry, but then I go, wait, these are literally
two like sci fi alternate universes.

Speaker 6 (01:14:18):
If I stayed, then then.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
The total sliding. Yeah, oh my god, what.

Speaker 6 (01:14:23):
Would have happened to me? And if I had done
this way? If I went this way?

Speaker 7 (01:14:26):
So I don't know made.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
The right decision. Shoot, because frankly, Allison, I don't think
they would have known how to write for you, being
a mother and a wife and a nice one, you
know what I mean? Like, I don't think relapse.

Speaker 6 (01:14:43):
I wanted to have a relapse.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
But I don't think they would have done that. And
I also don't think the audience would have accepted all
of a sudden this nice motherly like it would it
just wouldn't. It just wouldn't. Exactly that drove the whole show.
It was.

Speaker 8 (01:15:01):
It was a fabulous novelty isn't it wonderful? She can
grow and be night? But then how then expect now? What?

Speaker 7 (01:15:07):
Now?

Speaker 8 (01:15:07):
What?

Speaker 7 (01:15:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
Exactly? I mean this was you know, this is right,
This is Taming of the Shrew. And then and then
what happens after the shrew was tamed?

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
And no one really cares I.

Speaker 8 (01:15:17):
Have tortured myself with this decision for many, many, many decades,
and I I, I don't know, because like I said,
my life is a completely different thing.

Speaker 6 (01:15:26):
And what would have been if I stayed? And then
what would have I don't freaking know. It's too weird.

Speaker 5 (01:15:31):
Yeah, well, listen, I think if we're, if we're going
to try and wrap this up, the lesson of the
older brothers is don't turn yourself in from crime and
expect to collect the reward. I mean, if there's you know,
if there's if there's a lesson, maybe that's really the
only lesson that I say.

Speaker 8 (01:15:50):
Dynamite does not your problems problems And maybe you should
bathe with your long johns off.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Yeah great, maybe to be clean too. That's the only
thing I took away. It was like, I guess his
long john smelled and he needed to watch them. Also
laundry and shower. What a weird one, guys. What Yeah,
very fascinating discussion about season nine and all that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:19):
Yeah, if our audience was you know, you know, I
would say we when we start these and I know
I'm talking too directly to our audience, now, you know,
when we start these things, we don't always know exactly
where we're going to go.

Speaker 7 (01:16:34):
We never conversations.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
I have to say that I had no sense that
this conversation was going to go in the direction that did.
And that is sort of the fun of it is
that we really don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Know, we don't want to go.

Speaker 7 (01:16:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Yes, That's why I'm like, oh, awesome. We don't even
actually have to talk about what happens in this episode
because it's so unimportant, because there's not.

Speaker 5 (01:16:55):
Really a pluck yeah yeah, but no, but.

Speaker 7 (01:17:02):
Yeah, and thank you for bringing it up.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
And it does it stirs up some interesting old memories
and and thoughts about a time that was you know,
this incredible opportunity and and any one of us other
than Allison who stepped away, you know, we just were

(01:17:26):
going to take that opportunity. We're going to take it
and work and take the shot, right and there was
no question that we're going to take the shot for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:17:36):
Now the lingering shot of you guys in the pants,
we just okay that, Michael, there's no no Adams.

Speaker 7 (01:17:44):
Someone's got to fill those pants.

Speaker 8 (01:17:46):
It's you instand and the two of you when they
go ha ha ha ha.

Speaker 6 (01:17:51):
No, we're not giving you the money, Dark York. Do
not trust me, No, we don't.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
And they walk away, openly counting money and openly counting
thousand dollars in the middle of the street. Yes, that's so,
that's so.

Speaker 6 (01:18:05):
How long did you time this?

Speaker 8 (01:18:08):
How long did we all sit there and watch the
two of them walk away in those pants that they
didn't normally wear in the park walk away from the camera.
I'm going one, one thousand.

Speaker 7 (01:18:19):
That's funny.

Speaker 6 (01:18:20):
Well going to do how long are we going to
look at the backside.

Speaker 5 (01:18:26):
I've certainly watched some attractive women walk away from me
in pants too and enjoyed that. That was definitely in life.
You definitely watch it was just it was a.

Speaker 8 (01:18:39):
Very long, lingering shot on the back of both your
and mister Umar's pants.

Speaker 6 (01:18:43):
I'm just saying it was a little obvious.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
With the finely tailored pants. Yes, great, let the wardrobe department. Okay,
all right, well that's I'm going to wrap things up,
because what a bizarro experience this was. Watching this one
is bizarro bizarro. I love you, Little House La Prairie,
don't be mad at me, but this is one of

(01:19:05):
those This is one of those We're not ready observer.

Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
Okay, I mean we're we as members of this you know. Yeah,
I think your observations were all really good. Allison's yours too,
and you know, and I'm just sort of like, what
the hell happened there?

Speaker 6 (01:19:24):
It was a dream sequence?

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
I mean, only explainable way is that it as a june. Yes,
she fixed it. Okay, it's fixed. Let's just think of
it like a dream sequence and then we can forgive
it anyway. All right, we're wrapping things up, guys, Thank
you for being here. Join us on our website, Little
House fifty podcast dot com or our socials Little House
fifty podcast for everyone's going z on zuza and uh

(01:19:49):
joined us on Patreon because I have a feeling we're
going to be talking more behind the scenes stuff perhaps
season nine, and uh it's also interesting and also you know,
share us around, like and subscribe, write a review for
us if you want. That would be helpful, and we'll
see you next time. Who knows what the next one's

(01:20:12):
gonna be, but we'll deliver the goods. Yeah, what do
you think?

Speaker 7 (01:20:17):
Well, I think it's going to be something to do
with Malaura Art is what the next one?

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Well, for sure, all right, all right, we'll keep you
in surprise in suspense. Thanks guys for being here. Bob
yet the wig Let's fly.

Speaker 6 (01:20:31):
Let's fly Away.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
From Did you like my text? I was like, are
you sure we want to do season nine

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