"The Reincarnation of Nellie Pt. 2" RECAP!

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That's right, is Alison Aringram and our hashtag imaginary boyfriend
Dean Butler. Ooh, he's given us the oo.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Wow, he's given us.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
The I wouldn't call it smarmie.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
That's interesting, Sultree, That's what I meant, sultry, Dean.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
You want too much of a platonic relationship.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
There he goes. They're back on how are you guys doing?
Al Dean? You just had a weekend of chocolate. What's
going on?

Speaker 5 (02:11):
Oh? Okay, So I'll tell my chocolate story then Alison
you can catch up up on France. So I was
in Long Island this last weekend with Patrick Laberteaux and
Todd Bridges. We were the Prairie Trio at the Chocolate
Expo at the Nasau Coliseum on Long Island.

Speaker 6 (02:28):
The place is a wash in chocolate.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
There were like seventy five hundred people there throughout the day.
It was really they do the chocolate expo people, you know,
hats off to them. They do a really nice job organizing.
They've been doing these events for years and years and years.
They've got this down. They've got great vendors. This was

(02:52):
to mean Nasau Coliseum is a I guess where the
Islanders play the Islanders.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
It's a big, big venue.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
Were downstairs in that in a in a series of
meeting rooms, big space, but really really really die. I
came home with more chocolate than I need and have
eaten most of it, so it's just like, you know,
not good.

Speaker 6 (03:13):
Also, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
I love the chocolate. Yeah, well we did that last
in bags of chocolate. Well, I will be getting I
think my chocolate fix. I've had a little chocolate here
because we did play Belgium and people bring me gifts chocolate,
and this weekend is Switzerland, so oh god, I will
be coming great chocolate from.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
That, which is very to tell us which is better
Belgium chocol What do you think?

Speaker 7 (03:41):
That's the thing. It's a big thing. Is it Belgian
or Swiss?

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Which is better? Belgian Swiss? Belgian Swiss? Ah, maybe a
preferent thing.

Speaker 7 (03:47):
Swiss is pretty good.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
So I will find it. Yeah, it's it's I'm four shows,
six shows down, four to go. I mean it seems
like never any this week is completely sold out. Several
shows have been completely sold out. The others were quite healthy.
But yeah, the rest of the rest of tours pretty
much sold out.

Speaker 6 (04:03):
Good for you.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
And it's great fun and exhausting and fun all at
the same time. And I've been hanging out with my
friends and.

Speaker 7 (04:16):
Not quite sure, but.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
I've been I've been looking at places here, really you
a second place, just to have somewhere to hang out
in France, because who doesn't want to have a place
to hang out in France.

Speaker 6 (04:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
I haven't spent a lot of time in France, so
I don't know the answer to that question.

Speaker 6 (04:34):
But good you have.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Are good for you.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I'm here enough.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
The air is very clean, the water is very clean,
the food is very good.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
You know, it's kind of like yeah, yeah, not too shabby.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
So it could be I maybe if it's a really
good deal.

Speaker 6 (04:54):
Which I think it might be.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
So I'm just nothing solid get but you know, no deal.

Speaker 6 (05:01):
She's going to get a deal. Yeah, it's always.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
A deal, you know, you always is some kind of
a deal involved.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
Okay, So Pamela, speaking of Nellie Olsen's You've got a
little info here.

Speaker 7 (05:16):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Well I well, first of all, it was my birthday.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
It was my birthday.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
I don't have to think about it, thank you. And
it was a lovely little day. I went to the gym,
which is very responsible of me, and then I treated
myself with the massage. It was actually really nice to
have the luxury to like go to the gym and
like have a nice It was nice. And then I

(05:45):
treated myself to a massage, which was really nice. And
then we just had a really nice dinner with the
kids and hell and they. So that's why when you
were saying you ate a lot of chocolate, I had
chocolate cake last night.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
So there we go. There is my chocolate.

Speaker 6 (05:59):
So I'm sorry. So this was yesterday.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
It was the twenty fourth.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Yes, god, well, happy birthday. You are such a lovely
breath of fresh air for everybody. Happy happy birthday. And
you know you just you don't look, you know, a
day over thirty seven.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
I mean, thank you, because that's how I feel. And
that's why this aging thing is such a mine.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Band. I'm sure you guys feel the same way too.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
It's like I feel exactly the same, but the number
doesn't match that, and that bugs.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Me out a lot.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
I think this is one of the first birthdays which
I like, had a bit of anxiety for sure.

Speaker 6 (06:38):
Oh so this was was this a big It.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Wasn't the big one, but it's very close to the
big one. And that don't make no sense. It just
don't make no sense.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Because I'm I have shoes older than you. I stop it.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
You're a kid, Yes, that's what people keep telling me.
So I will take that. Yeah, because I'm sure in
ten years I'll go, oh my god, I was as
we all do.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
You were so young.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
But anyway, here's here's the little chick.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Okay, we lost, guys, don't tell now how much are
we allowed?

Speaker 7 (07:18):
How much we allowed to say?

Speaker 1 (07:19):
How much?

Speaker 3 (07:20):
I don't think we can go into specifics, but I will, okay,
but I will share what I know, which is I
got a little message from a friend who told me
that she has an audition. She's a little girl. I
did a show with her off Broadway in the last spring.
You know her because you saw her Alison and she.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Her.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
She has an audition for season two of a little
house on the prairie as Nelly, Nelly the Nelly. So
I was like, what, like, send me everything you've got.
So I've read the breakdown of the character and I
actually read the sides that she has to audition and

(08:06):
the breakdown. No, it's not that at all. But she
is horribly awful for sure. In these sides she she's awful.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Everyone will hate her, yes, but beautiful.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
And I was saying, I was saying this Alison to
Dean before you came on, which was, you know, the
sides are really open to interpretation. I mean, the the
language is there of her being awful, but it's very
clear to me that it is that sort of like
diamond in the rough type, like like an Alison arngroom

(08:43):
walking to and into the room and going boom. That's
it like, And it is very much that in my
in my opinion, what the sides showed was like anyone
can I mean saying things, but it's what you do
with it that will make it super unique and quintessentially

(09:05):
Nelly and also, by the way, a very hard, very
hard shoot of fit, you know what I mean, Like
we know you Allison, and and even Alison filled those
shoes really well, but she was still also her original
self to that role. So this is going to be

(09:25):
sort of hopefully a third times a charm of like
casting a really uh not forgettable, very impressionable, iconic, very
iconic original.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, someone's easy. I'm very infoozed because, like, the breakdowns
are out there. Anyone who's an agent, anyone who's a
manager has the breakdowns.

Speaker 7 (09:47):
And so yeah, they're like sugar luck.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
So we know it's other and I know that what
that there's a whole thing of like they've made it various.
There's almost a disclaimer. It's just quite safe. Don't act
like the people on our shop, but kind of like that,
don't don't be don't be copyed, just make this your own.

Speaker 7 (10:04):
Hint hints.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Do not like to show up here and try to
recreate the nineteen seventies thank you, which duh, you don't
want to do. I mean, Alison Balson are brilliant, Nancy
said at eleven when I'm oh, no, I didn't want
to copy you.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
You know you were doing.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Metally disturbed. So that's the thing. But now we're going
to level three, level three, what will it be?

Speaker 7 (10:28):
It's gonna be they've made her. The gist I'm getting is.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
That she's she's pretty bad, she's very you know, she's
not the book girl. There's okay, so it's level four.
So this is the book Nelly, and she's a certain
kind of Braddy. And then there was My Nelly, and
then there was Nancy. And this creation for the fabulous
new Netflix show is not just the book Nelly because

(10:56):
it's been impacted by everything. I did everything a look
and Balson did, so all these layers of history, this
like geological thing is happening. So that you have the book,
it's book Nelly is one, I'm two, Nancy three, and
so this girl is going to be the four point zero,

(11:17):
the next level of combining all of the psychic, as
it were, input of all of these entities. You describe
it that way, and this will be fascin But yeah,
it's the kind of thing like when I got my Sides,
it was like, well this could go several ways, but
so some some girl has to come in and get

(11:39):
her go caboo.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
It's true. They were difficult, so open to interpretation like
it like, yeah, I will say more, but but yes,
it was very interesting.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
You know, but then that means what they're looking for
is a great actress. They're not looking for a cookie
cut Okay, here do this, honey, some little kid is
just gonna do do what the thing says and be
this person. No, they're looking for a great actress, which
I think is they're really going with. I mean, you
look at the resumes that the people who are on there,
they're going for quality. They're gonna look for some kid
who's gonna they're hoping lightning again, that someone's gonna blow

(12:18):
it out of the room, like like I did, thank you,
and I'm just I'm just here. I'm very excited about
the whole thing. I mean, I was excited when I
saw the Nelly and the musical.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
I was like, I thought she did a great job.
She's a prairie did you ever see I.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Didn't see it, but that's a Kate who is in
the Pictionary episode of Living on a Prairie.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Oh okay, oh see there she's fabulous, low.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Pressed Kate, low pressed, low press.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
Yeah, I know. I thought she was wonderful in the Awesome.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
She's on tour right now the Found of Music playing
the Villain.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
So she has a niche what is it the girlfriend, Yes, baroness,
the baroness, right, I forget her name, but yes, that's Kate.

Speaker 6 (13:10):
Yeah. Nice see.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I keep bringing up Star Trek. I'm all for it.
You've got Spock and Kirk will always be Spocking Kirk.
You have original Star Trek, but you got your you know,
Discovery and your Brave New Worlds and your things that
you have all this stuff, and of course they're all different.
Also the Netflix show. Remember we're in this new century
where everything is digital. It's not going to be filmed
on thirty five millimeters panavision. It's even if if they

(13:34):
said we're just going to go back and make the same,
it's not look to say nothing will be the same.
There's no way it's the same. It's just not. And
I'm good with that. And we look at the new
Star Treks now with our fabulous new technology, and you
kind of go back and see Shatner and Mooy and
you go, oh, dear, that's a cardboard set and that's
a big fake media or and what are we all
doing here? But things change, it's gonna be great. Yeah, yeah,

(13:59):
this will be a main and it's it's it's just
it's the next level, and we have all the star
treks and we have this is this is the way
of the world, This is the way of nature. This
is the natural progression of how this should be.

Speaker 6 (14:11):
Yes, I agree, well, so as we.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
So we've discussed a little bit of our else and
your thoughts about what may what will ultimately end up being.
Let's go back to what version. So now it's version two.
We're gonna step bick into part two, a version two
of you, and talk about the second half of what

(14:34):
we talked about yesterday.

Speaker 6 (14:35):
Pamela te take us there.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Okay, it's it's Nellie, Nancy and Nancy Nelly Part two.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
All right, everybody uh.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
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Speaker 4 (15:11):
All right, everybody, here we go.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
We're there. The bitch is that it's the second half
of this madness?

Speaker 3 (15:18):
What are we talking about?

Speaker 5 (15:19):
So today talking about episode two of season eight, The
Reincarnation of Nelly Part two. The show premiered on October twelfth,
nineteen eighty one. Written and directed by Michael Landon. I
think he had a really good time, yes, writing this
because he clearly so we what we you know, we

(15:40):
see you know, we've had lots of conversations through the
years about the evolution of this character and how Alison
Balson came in and didn't want to copy you clearly, Well, Mike,
I don't know how much writing Michael did after the
audition versus what he did before the audition. Yes, you know,
I mean there's a and with Michael, you don't know,

(16:01):
because he could blow out a whole episode in you know,
in twenty four hours if he had to.

Speaker 6 (16:06):
So, you know, I.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
Think he knew that he needed to take this up
to another level, and by god, did he deliver.

Speaker 6 (16:17):
Allison, what is part two of the show all about?

Speaker 1 (16:23):
What's are you thinking? Pink pages and blue pages? Like
he wrote one version, add.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
The white pages he wrote before he actually hired her,
and then once he had her, and then it just
goes through.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
I'm turning this up.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
And will you guys explain to the audience what the
different color pages mean.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Well, when you do a show, you have your regular
strikeet white page, and there's always some change. There's always
something that change my mind. This scene. We're adding a
scene and I forgot what order they going.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
And the gold.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Golden Rot.

Speaker 6 (17:03):
Think I have a feeling I'm helping this. I'm feeling
like it's blue then pink, but I'm not.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
I think it's blue first. I think you're right. I
think blue is first. No pink is after blue.

Speaker 7 (17:14):
Okay, it's coming back.

Speaker 5 (17:15):
If it's if it's you know, well it's not alphabetical,
but because Golden Rod sort of.

Speaker 6 (17:20):
Blows that out.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
But but I feel like it's I feel like I
feel like it's blue, pink, golden Rod, but it's you know,
it's been a while since I since I've seen a script.
But to your point, there are always changes, I you know,
knowing Michael, we generally shot with Michael. Other than if
it was like a location change or something because of weather. Uh,

(17:44):
we shot white pages of Michael scripts. I mean, there
just weren't a lot of changes to that.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
So depend on the show. I remember quite a few
blue and very rarely Golden Rod. A little blue, a
little pink.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
Yeah, I mean just a little bit here and there.
But I think it was more logistical than.

Speaker 6 (18:02):
Full on rewrites of things.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
I just don't feel like that really happened a lot.
But so anyway, he clearly had in mind. I mean,
the way he wrote this and her the troubled pat
and all of that, he knew where he was taking this.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yes, but I wonder whether when he found her, when
he found the second Really the question, isn't it if
he then went, oh, I can do this, this, this,
and this, Yes, this one, because she's brilliant and capable,
we can.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
I think that was very possible that he was able
to amp it up because of what she showed him.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
In the God She's so good.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Okay, Allison, give us the synopsis. Hit it girl.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
But Linda is found nearly frozen in the ice house. Nancy,
of course faulty claims it Willy shut the door, hiding
her own role to eliminate her rival for the school show,
well and for Albert CAUs remember she's in love with Albert.
Investigating further, Charles learns Nancy's troubled past, and with Laura
realizes she orchestrated the inst while using Willie as an

(19:13):
unwitting accomplice. Even Harryt is shaken by Nancy's deception, determined
to stop her.

Speaker 7 (19:17):
The school children trick.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Nancy into believing she's been crowned, starved the talent show,
only derveil she's actually the target of a dunk tank awesome.

Speaker 7 (19:26):
After Belinda and Harriet.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Take their turns dunking her, Harriet finally tells Nancy she
doesn't need lies or cruelty to be loved.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
Nancy, of course doesn't believe that because she because she
keeps going.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
But that's sort of a night. I thought it was
sort of an interesting lesson.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
That.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
I mean, the town really it's like tough love here.
And yeah, so I think for that lesson to really work,
I think we have to have this sense that people
really like her first in order teacher lesson see, I think,
what do you think?

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Order for that lesson to learn, the person has to
not be a complete and total psychopath who is actually
capable of change. I mean, if there's one thing this
episode ultimately showed me was that this girl was born
a dangerous psychopath like she is. She is dangerous, and

(20:27):
I really don't think unlike Nelly, I'm not so sure
she's capable of change just because she feels the love
like I really can.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
I got nice because.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
You because you're right. Yeah, uh, this girl.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
And it starts from scene one, like right.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Off the top where I was like, oh, she's a
total psychopath because the the the whole episode starts off.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
This is now part two.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
But she goes into the ice house with Belinda, who
she's insanely jealous of, and well, actually that's not true.
She goes into the ice house with Willie, who then
explains to her that don't get caught down here, there's
no inside. But sure, it's not just that she's scheming.
It's like that Hannibal Lecter, Like she's taking complete joy

(21:17):
out of the horror of knowing that she is probably
going to kill Belinda in there, Like she's loving it.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
The pleasure she's getting in it behind.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Her eyes is like really terrifying stuff, like really terrifying stuff.
And I've watched this episode a million times before, but
I haven't watched it recently recently, and boy, oh boy,
did it hit me, like, oh, this girl is very
dangerous and I don't know a dunk in her and
a little pool and a mermaid out it is gonna

(21:50):
do the trick. I don't think it's gonna.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
I think somehow she's redeemed by the cute curls and
the you know, the whole thing. And I don't know
that it's interesting. You see, you know, there's a little
sweetness there, but what she always is covering that with
or she's buttoning everything in the close ups after everything

(22:17):
everyone steps away, she's buttoning it with.

Speaker 6 (22:20):
These expressions of evil yep, which are really.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Yeah, yeah, I said.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
And the calculation, because when Willie shows her the place,
she goes, so are you saying that if someone was
locked in here they would freeze to death?

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (22:34):
She really how long would they How long would they
have to be in here? And she's like, I mean
it's like that that and then the extra step that
she didn't even need to do. She could have locked
them lind in there and oops, I was never in.

Speaker 7 (22:47):
The ice house.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
I don't know it looks but she goes, Willie, I
forgot to shut the door. No, she doesn't even do that,
manipulated the door.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
She doesn't acknowledge that she was, well the ice melt,
and he's like, yeah, well, although.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
She's open, she manipulates him into shutting the door. So
if this was modern days, his fingerprints will be on
the door basically his DNA is now she puts him
to do it, and then she can go, I don't
know what happened. He's the one who shut the door,
and he's like, yeah, I shut the door. So oh well,
then she's dragged him into the implicated him in an

(23:24):
attempted murder, putting his fingerprints in DNA at the scene
by coming up with this you need to shut the
door story, she need to do that. That was just
like an extra thing that she decided to make everything worse.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Jesus right, Well, it furthers it, It does cement the calculation.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
The other thing that it sort of does is Michael
was so clever in the way that he wrote these things.
I mean, he was able to as the writer. I
just gotta believe he had a ton of fun writing this.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Oh yeah, yes, well she's a dream for a writer
hitting me.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
Yeah, and yeah, I just think I think he all
Michael puts.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
We've talked about this last week, and we always talk
about it where his scripts are concerned.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
He puts everything in motions so quickly, so economically, you're
not wondering what's going on here. You see it so clearly,
and everything checks the box.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
With the next thing. I mean, at all, the.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
Thread pulls wonderfully in his scripts.

Speaker 6 (24:27):
It always did.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
It's just it's who he was as a writer, so smart,
so clever, so funny, and could be dark and he
and he, you.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Know, he had a warp sense of humor, warp he said,
like he loved I mean, this is a man who
was born on Halloween. This is a man who loved
the twisted jokes in the Halloween, so of course he
loved this.

Speaker 7 (24:51):
But now, I've always said I'm not.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Jealous of miss Balsen, but I did notice that when
they put her to work in the restaurant, I did
write down, are they giving that little bitch my restaurant too? Wow?

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Well, you know what what I wrote in my notes,
And this was a revelation that came to me at
the top of the episode. I said, the difference between
Nancy and Nellie besides the obvious, oh, she's just a
straight ups like chemical, imbalanced psycho. I said, they both
have punishable faces. But I'm not a proponent of any

(25:29):
harm involving children whatsoever. It's just let's use it just
as a saying. Yep, they both have punishable faces. But
Nellie's face was more just sort of pure evil, whereas
Nancy has that cutied all cute, like super syrupy like

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saccharine cuteness about her face that makes it almost worse.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Sherry, Patty McCormick, give me for a basket of kisses.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
What it's that? It is that exactly?

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yes, it's yucky, which I love, I love so much.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
That's why all right, let's move on, shall we. Okay,
So Nancy then manipulates Willie to think that, oh, just
the door happens to be open in the ice house,
and Willy's like, no, it shouldn't be open.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
I'll go ahead and close it, and she's like more, okay.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
So now Belinda is now well before that, also, let's
just mention that Nancy also to lure Belinda into.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
The ice house.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Your evil is like, I'll have the audition for the
for the pageant. You know, my mother will play piano,
which is a luxury, and then she locks her in
the ice house. Okay, next, oh so evil? Okay, So
the next day, right, it's the next day.

Speaker 6 (27:07):
We see our beautiful sunrise shot. Yeah, I know that
it's new day.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Mister Olson goes down into the ice house like you do,
and finds a very passed out Belinda in the ice house. Oh,
coma toast close to death. Yes, a miracle She's not dead?

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Am I right?

Speaker 3 (27:26):
I mean that's just okay? Now we're Doc Baker's who
do Baker?

Speaker 5 (27:31):
The miracle Man runs to her to find to find
to see if Blinda's all right, And we come into
the office and we find her parents and Doc Baker
and okay, so he's giving the worst possible news, yes,
or actually he's giving hopeful news.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
And Belinda's parents are there. No, might I say something
about Belinda's father lovely man?

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Lovely man.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
You know they're in TV. You're not supposed to be
too big. You have to play it a little under
otherwise little look not believable.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
This dude was so under.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
I was like, wake up, dad, wake up. I don't
know what his delivery was, just very very without any
kind of emotion whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
And I thought, had that happen?

Speaker 3 (28:18):
What's happening here? Did you guys think that? No? Strange?

Speaker 5 (28:21):
It was very strange, right, Yeah, I mean I he was,
he was, he was restrained, no question.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, he was very good, yes, yes, yes, anyway, no,
diss to the act or anything.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
This was it and yet, you know, I mean, it's
it's interesting. I think we look at a lot of
guest casting, this sort of under five.

Speaker 6 (28:47):
Situations that you.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
Know, and you're I always feel like the most sort
of countrified people that we had on the show, I
mean that we're legitimate sort of country were always the
under five people, you know, who who really had an
earthy quality to them. I think it's a.

Speaker 6 (29:12):
Very you know, a very common function.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
Of of of Susan McCrae's casting is to identify those
people and bring them in.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
He was very sweet, but I thought.

Speaker 6 (29:24):
That thought the mother reminded me a little bit of
Pamela roy Lance. I thought, oh yeah, I thought she
was lovely.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Okay, so the dad, they're trying to figure out how
the heck this happened. Cut to Nancy vocalizing in the mirror,
practicing or singing and brilliant, I mean screeching, brilliant little
screech and.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Again improving on what I'd done, because remember I strange,
I had my horrendous ear eating and arrange, and she
went the.

Speaker 7 (30:01):
Rest of the way.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
She with the Allison, I I was at the piano
all playing badly that the piano I don't play and
I don't release sing, and I was a piano and
the mercantile home on the rain, I believe. Doctor Baker
shows up and says, can I get you something for
your throat? She seemed to be yes. It's like, oh, yeah,

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she went, she went.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah, she went high too. She modulated that up a
step or two. Okay. So so then of course they
call her down, Nancy, Nancy like what happened? And of
course she has her story all set and ready and
playing little miss innocent. Yes, of course, yes, we did
go down to the ice house. Yes, and I did

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believe because I had to get the girl shack and
when I came back the door had been closed.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
I just figured she had.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
Changed gone home.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, and then she is she okay and acts very
upset and then to add insult to injury, does the
whole Did you think that I actually did something to hurt.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
That act?

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Oh boy, it's so good.

Speaker 6 (31:17):
Yeah, yeah, I mean she's.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Again just just wonderfully next level.

Speaker 6 (31:24):
Wonderfully written.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
Yeah, and all the all the eyes are dotted, the
teaser crossed. I mean, Michael has imbued her with all
the ability to scheme this out entirely.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
And how great is Jonathan. He's a young man and
he's been accused and he's like, no, he stands his ground.

Speaker 7 (31:45):
I'm not having this. I didn't do any of this stuff.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
It's her. Why do you people not get it? Oh
my god.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
He's fabulous, But at first he doesn't. They call him
in too, because he doesn't know what happened to Belinda's
They had no idea.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Asked him did you.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Close the or to the ice house and he was like, yeah,
it was open, I closed it and they were like,
oh my that. And it isn't until afterwards where he realizes,
where he finds out from Albert what actually happened to
Belinda and he's like, no, no, no, no, she absolutely knew
Belinda was down there, like what are you what are
you talking about?

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Going oh yeah, she didn't know any saying yeah she did,
like wait what yeah?

Speaker 6 (32:22):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:22):
I love that she right exactly as they're all figuring
it out. I also I love that watching uh, you know,
Catherine McGregor, who always played a wonderfully protective mother, has
you know with this craziness that that amplifies up to
I mean, she is on the verge of a nervous

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breakdown every minute, yes, thinking this little girl is gonna
run away, and that, oh my god, and I lost
my Nellie.

Speaker 6 (32:51):
Now I'm going to lose her.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
And it's just Catherine really bit down on the drama
of this.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Did yeah, and that's what was great. She's like, why
why is this woman like backing up this clearly dangerous,
crazy child When she says, but they'll send her back.
I won't have the little girl and if she's willing
to any cost, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 6 (33:13):
Who gets hurt. Yeah, don't take her away from me?

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, yeah, crazy, Okay, So we know that.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
So look, it's so I'm sorry. So we know it's
like Nelly. We know it's Nelly all over again. Belinda.
You know we know that Belinda's.

Speaker 6 (33:29):
So we go to school, right, could we jump into school? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (33:32):
So the next day Albert comes in and says, Blinda's
not going to be there.

Speaker 6 (33:36):
Who's auditioning? The girl's hands go up.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
And Blinda is so sorry that or Nancy so sorry
that Blinda that.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
That's how Albert knows something is terribly wrong, because Nancy
puts it on real thick with him, like it's a
shame Belinda won't be here to audition. Well, there's always
next year.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
And Albert's like that was oh evil?

Speaker 1 (34:01):
How evil?

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Lots of well we've talked about this before, and Nancy
takes this to another level.

Speaker 6 (34:09):
I mean, lots of very forward little.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Girls thirst on the prairie.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Again, it's about a boy, the thirsty girls.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
She's in love with Albert, and I'm pitching it to Bravo.
Netflix needs a spin off right now.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
Maybe Netflix will do it.

Speaker 7 (34:31):
But baby Carrie was the only one who wasn't.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Boy, that's right, the only girl had any sense, didn't
like flip out every time a boy looked at her. Yeah,
that is wild.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
Okay, Yeah, that's and that's basically the end of Actor.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yes, it has all been established right right off the bat.
I actually I was quite surprised by how the first
minute of the episode is all this happens with the
ice house. I mean it's like the first couple of pages,
this is like zoops, we get again, Michael.

Speaker 6 (35:04):
What's all in motion right away? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (35:09):
Yeah, so okay, so I love the this is sort
of interesting at the top of that too.

Speaker 6 (35:14):
Well, Willie's not hungry, which surprised.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
This is this conversation between Nells and Willie is the
most I think is sort of the most uh, like
two guys having a conversation and you know, tell me
what's on your mind, son kind of thing, which we
don't we've of course, Willy is showing signs of it,
you know, becoming a young man.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Now that's it. This is the first time we see
Now we see Willy becoming an actual person.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Like an actual person of substance and or thought or consideration.
It's actually we actually feel bad for him that he
has to have another sister, like like he was finally
free and now he has to deal with this.

Speaker 7 (36:00):
Yes, it was an interesting moment.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
He said, Yeah, I had a sister who hated me.
He used to I had a sister she hated me. No,
he was my loyal henchman. I hardly work without. But
that's it. For a long time, his basic role was
the henchman. And so it was like we never quite
knew was will he really evil or not? Was he
a bad boy or not? He's just hanging and now

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he's going to clearly be a good guy, and he's
totally a good guy and is not having it with
this Nancy.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yeah, which is really nice for us to witness.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
True.

Speaker 6 (36:32):
I wonder, I wonder what Jonathan's.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
I mean, you know, I think it's just a really
cool thing that Jonathan could make that turn so cleanly,
and it's so believable. Jonathan is Jonathan does not mean
we all know. I think everybody was around him knows
how wonderfull he was. But Jonathan doesn't really get the
credit for being as terrific as he was all the time.

Speaker 6 (37:02):
He really I.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Think people just noticing now. They're just noticing now, and
I've been screaming that Jonathan Gilbert is one of the
great actors of our generation and dream is forever going.
Look at what he's doing.

Speaker 7 (37:14):
Would you look at what he's doing. It's like, ha
ha ha.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Now people go, wait a minute, oh my god.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
I think it's probably because it was so natural that
it's hard for people to think that.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
He made it looks boy made it look easy.

Speaker 6 (37:27):
He did make it look easy.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Just really was that kid, right, Like, you have to
remind yourself that he's acting because he he was so
good at it.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
Allison did he really talk out. He's pat Now he's
clearly his voice has dropped. He's grown eight inches. His
voice is dropped. Just take us back for a second.
When he was really tiny. Was his voice that really
that high? Was that the way he talked or was
that just something's not something affected for the character.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
I think he laid it on a little thick but
he was. He was a teeny tiny little boy with
a little teeny high voice, speaksy child. He was. There's
a scene way back where a whole thing where I
want to shove Willy out of the seat because I
want some cute boys to sit next to me, and
I go thumb and he's to slide out of the seat.

Speaker 7 (38:20):
And we tried it, and I go and he goes,
do do do? And I do it and Jonathan, I.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Barely barely touched him and he shot out of the
seat across the room and slammed into the wall and
slid down the wall to the floor and went, how's that?
He was thinking, I'm doing like, yeah, mind blowing.

Speaker 6 (38:41):
Yeah, he's really special.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
I have to be really impressed by how strong his
instincts were.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Maybe one day he will grace us, I hope.

Speaker 6 (38:52):
So I hope.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
So, I know, he's sort of disapp into the dark
knight once again.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
But but he.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Showed up actually two years ago yesterday.

Speaker 6 (39:03):
Yeah, yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
You are right freaking out. Seriously, is it two years
ago yesterday? There was even see amazing, it's a blur.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
It is so much has gone on. Yeah, it's remarkable.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
At the end of the scene, he kisses his father
good night. Does not get now. He really shuts up
when Harriet.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Comes in well right, because he was going to talk
to Nell's can fight in him and then his mother
comes in the room and he's like boop, nope. Let's
also give Willy Willy some props because this entire episode
he has to endure and bear with being at family

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dinners and in his home while Nancy is doing her thing,
and he knows what the actual truth is and he
can't tell them because his mother. He can't tell his mother,
and so he has to just suck it up and
deal with it. I mean, talk about what an uncomfortable
way to live.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Poor guy.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Yeah, anyway, so yes, he wants to tell Nells everything,
but Katherin McGregor mom walks into the room. He's like Nope,
can't do it, kisses his father good night, and then
walks out of the room. Katherine McGregor or Harriet, I
should say, doesn't notice anything odd until Nells says.

Speaker 6 (40:29):
True, which I think is actually true.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
Yeah, I think I think that is a that is
an actual condition. But interesting that he would kiss his
father good night and I get not kissing mom.

Speaker 6 (40:42):
I mean we see this, you know, with our with.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
Our grandson, where there was such a sweetness in him
as a little boy, and now it's like everybody is
sort of you know, he's fourteen now. Yeah, well so
I mean it's like there's just like there's just no
contact with the kid at all. And he's a great kid,
but it's just a very different energy. And Jonathan, No,

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I think I don't know how old was Jonathan there?

Speaker 6 (41:09):
What do we think?

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Oh my god, I'm trying to think how old he
was it wait wait eighty one.

Speaker 7 (41:15):
So he's like fourteen.

Speaker 6 (41:17):
Yeah, he seems older than fourteen.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
He does seem older than fourteen.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Maybe fifteen, because I'm going when I'm like nineteen, I'm
like five years older than him. So he's like fourteen
pushing fifteen.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
Yeah, I'm very impressed with Jonathan's evolution.

Speaker 6 (41:31):
And what you see in this is that Jonathan or
the Willie is.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
Going to be his dad's son. Yes, in the long term,
he is going to be his father's son, not his
mother's son, his father's son, thank God, which is really
you know, a nice thing. And I wonder how conscious
any of that was for Jonathan.

Speaker 6 (41:54):
But he brought that and it great.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
I mean he.

Speaker 7 (42:00):
Went on that child's head that we didn't know.

Speaker 6 (42:02):
I mean yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
And then okay, So so Willie goes to his room.
His homework is gone, and now we have another moment.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Yes, Willy knows that Nancy absolutely boxed his paper. Uh,
and so he they make a ruckus Nells and Harriet
come upstairs.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Of course, Harriet.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Does not want to believe that her precious Nancy has
taken this homework until Nels finds the homework. Not only
does he find the homework, but she every excuse Nancy gives,
which is like, no, he stole it from me, but
the paper isn't finished, so how could he have stolen
it from her? And also he got many answers wrong
on this homework, and.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Her answers were identical to his. Answers. So, yes, she
absolutely stole stole.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
The homework, and I love it.

Speaker 7 (42:53):
They let her go through all the excuse.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
That Nels goes, no, because here's your paper and it's
right here. Oh no, you'll have the same wrong answers
and no, and he says she should someone who's better
at math to coffee ed.

Speaker 7 (43:03):
He just goes like, no, and look, look it's have to.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
And so even even Harriet can no longer deny.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
It's that kind of Harriet still does not want to
punish the girl. She still she's too afraid, yes, that
it will, it will push her away. And so Nels
is like, no, no, no, no, she's got to be punished.
So if if I'm not spanking her, then have her
at least work.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
In the restaurant. She can clean dishes, right.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Give her a job. She needs it. She needs a job.
That's what the girl needs, an outlet. Well, give her
a job. And that's when I said, bitch, get my restaurant.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yes, but no, because she doesn't actually do the work,
does she.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
But before before that, you know, Harriet goes to essentially
bribe her and offers to pay her a dollar a day,
including Sunday off.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Dollar which is a huge amount of money.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Which is a lot, an insane amount of I mean
that's where the ma was making.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
I'm sure.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
No, we heard about the mill and how much Paul
would make and how much you know, mister Edwards.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
No dollar days, like.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Paid on Sundays when it's closed on Sundays.

Speaker 6 (44:13):
She gets paid. Yes, it is.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
So, I mean she's she's father, I mean parenting wan
on one not to do right there in this scene
like it's so bad.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Oh my god, it's so disgusting.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Okay, So then especially when it ends with like don't
tell your father, I'm paying you.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Oh and then is that when she rips the head
off the doll? When does she rip the head off?
Twist off? What the holy be gees? She twisted high
freak down.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
She's getting everything she wants.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
What's What's because she is chemically imbalanced. She was born
not right in the head. I mean, you don't twist
a doll's head like that unless something is seriously wrong
with you. There is no fixing this person.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
She is utterly just so just curiosity Allison and Pamela
any doll head twisting?

Speaker 1 (45:15):
No even you, Allison, No, no, no, I was a
big fan of the Adams Family and Wednesday who did
guillotine her doll? And I did want a guillotine. I
wanted to have like a doll in no head. A
few Barbie's heads popped up, but sitting in methodically twist. No,
that's that's just no, that's creepy. One thing imitate the

(45:38):
Adams family on Halloween. But no, that was that was
just twisting the dolls head off.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
That's not I'm just not sure what motivated that. So
she was getting everything she heard.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Her brain, her imbalanced brain, motivated that.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Okay, there is no other She had to work because
when she got in the kitchen and then hester goes, great,
you're gonna do dishes, and she's like, oh no, no, no,
not not and she's not going to do dish. So
suddenly this.

Speaker 7 (46:05):
Book they made I did dishes with my.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Mother to Denis, and suddenly she's having trauma and I'm
having flashbacks.

Speaker 7 (46:12):
I can't do the dishes now.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
Well, But so what happens though the next the very
next day, is that the Albert and Willie have concocted
a plant plan number one to this to put an
end to this pageant thing.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Right, because they know that Nancy is lying, just straight
up lying about everything, and they want to punish her
by getting the pageant canceled, in effect so that she
can't possibly get any part in it. So Laura, who's
apparently like this is her favorite thing to do, do
this pageant every year. Okay, I have issues with Laura

(46:51):
as a teacher, but we'll not buy right now. I
don't think she's very good.

Speaker 7 (46:58):
But anyway, but it's a school like boycott.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
They I'm not doing it.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
I'm like, who's the audition? No one hands, No hands
go up, And in fact, the people that were going
to participate it and now say they can't participate in it.
And she's but this is my favorite part is that
afterwards Laura then says, I'm very disappointed in you all,
Like that's that's not what you say. You can say,

(47:26):
I'm very disappointed.

Speaker 6 (47:28):
Does it have to be at you all?

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Michael hard so you know he he took her down
that path.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah maybe eighteen hundreds, Yeah, no, in in our era
a teacher, which oh no, I'm not going to say
that to the children. In the eighteen hundreds, I mean
they did kind of say, yes, it is your fault.
I mean, this was the era of standing in the
corner and wearing dunge caps.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
I suppose though. I just think Laura as a teacher.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Sometimes is a little tone diff a little bit. She
likes to scream in her kids a lot. She does
scream a lot. There is a YouTube click someone has
put on that cracks me up and the title of
the clip is worst Teacher Ever. And it's just really
of Laura teaching just like yelling at her kids. It's

(48:23):
a short little clip, but it is hilarious and the
title cracks me up.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
Well, she you know, she looks great in the classroom.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
She does. She looks good.

Speaker 6 (48:32):
Look she looks great in the classroom.

Speaker 8 (48:34):
I know.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
But but did you notice every woman in Walnut Grove
taught what miss missus Garvey talked missus she had been taught.

Speaker 7 (48:41):
For a couple of days with your French class.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Everyone got except me. I never talked, not a dick
at a restaurant, never talked not a day.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
No one would have you.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
I actually think.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Albert like his teacher. His is now the teacher like gross.
It's yucky, not like he has a choice, not like
they have a choice. But that's not a nice situation
to be and I'm sure, yeah, I digress, So I digress.
We'll get back to the episode now. Okay, So the
pageant is canceled, done back in the Olsen's house around

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the dinner table again, poor Willy having to endure all
of this without saying anything yet, which is Nancy is saying,
I can't believe that the pageants happened. And then Harriet
also chimes in agree to write Nancy that.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Yes, and that everyone is jealous of.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Nancy because she's clearly the prettiest.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
And the most talented and that's why it happened. YadA, YadA.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
And then Willy finally explodes and he cannot take it
anymore and he's like, no one wants to do it
because no one likes you, like you're the worst.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
That's I mean, that's the and that lesson or that
truth is what makes the dunk tank thing.

Speaker 6 (50:04):
More cruel than a lesson, I know, and that that
part of that that public bothered me a little bit.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
I know, it is so interesting.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Again, I've watched this episode have thea zillion times, and
these things never hit me until very recently, of like, we.

Speaker 6 (50:25):
Well, you're a parent now in your parents.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
And of course we're looking at it.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
What are we taking into account?

Speaker 7 (50:36):
I was in the dunk tank.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
We did an episode years before this, the SARPCE. Somehow
Laura connived to get me into a dunk tank so
that I could be dunked repeatedly.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
Well yeah, no, and that's but I think, but I
think there's a difference.

Speaker 6 (50:55):
Is that, well, you annoyed people. Everybody didn't hate you.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
There's a there's a difference, and it was established right
up front. I mean, you know, Michael wrote this in
a way that you could not like this girl. This
girl was really a problem. So I guess the question
because how dangerous? How do you resolve that issue? How
do you teach a lesson?

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Well, that's why, That's exactly why I'm saying. The difference
is like this was a tempted murder. It wasn't just
bullying someone like she could have actually killed this person
I'm talking about, Belinda, Like this is a temper, this
person is dangerous.

Speaker 5 (51:40):
Yeah, that's just not a humorous get even thing. I mean,
there's really a serious price. And then, of course we're
going to find out later that Charles goes to Sleepy
Eye and you know, learns more information about her.

Speaker 6 (51:50):
But I think that's an interesting thing.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
Now again, well, I think the episodes move at such
a tempt both for the despite the fact that in
this era, Little House is always slower than the entertainment
that we're seeing today, where you're cutting every twenty frames. Yeah,
you know, the show had a different pace, but Michael's
storytelling unfolded so quickly that you you weren't necessarily thinking about,

(52:21):
you know, on first viewing the implications of this and
maybe you know, we're watching this in a different sort
of you know, microcosmic way, and so we're maybe seeing things. Yeah,
but I just think it's an interesting thing that everyone
it's clear that everyone despises this girl, and they're going

(52:42):
to put her in this dunk tank and who knows
what's going to happen to her there.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Yeah, well there wasn't much discussion about but she.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Got a nice mermaid outfit.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
I didn't get a mermaidiconic Mermaid outfit, I know, all right.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
When we were in Tombstone two years ago, there was
a version of that cost It's.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Such a good cost I love the costume.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Okay, Okay, So back at the table, Willie finally expressed
he was like, hey, no one's doing the pageant because
no one freaking likes you. And he goes off, and
then that sparks Nancy to then quote unquote open up
to her new adoptive parents and turns on the tears
and talks about how, you know, she's used to people

(53:25):
hating her. Her mother hated her and that's why she
left her, and she tried to make her like me,
but she just hated me. And I did the best,
and she would yell at me and she would hit me,
and she left me on a street corner. And of course,
of course Harriet and Nels are left devastated. And the
funny line for me was like, in our rush to

(53:47):
adopt her, we'd never even bothered to find out what
her background was.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
And I thought, you think.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
They knew nothing.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
They knew nothing. Quite okay, So now they're like, we
have to be patient, and they are actually being responsible
parents at this very moment.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
Yes, so they are.

Speaker 5 (54:09):
As act too comes to an end, they recognize that
they have to view this in a little different way
given the information that Nancy has just imparted.

Speaker 6 (54:21):
Let's take a quick break and we'll come back with this.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
We'll get back to more evil, all right when we
get back.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
I want to talk about in school. Laura gives that
whole lecturing the kids about what she's been through and
being abandoned. Uh huh's let's talk Lettres Albert.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Yes, wait, we'll talk about this when we get back.
We'll be right back.

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Speaker 4 (55:33):
Okay, we're back, everybody, with more evil from.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
The more nasty, evil evil Nay, okay, so we're back now, Nancy.
We are back in school, and Nancy is again sort
of coming up to the class and turning on the
act once more, of saying like, I know you all
hate me, and I'm gonna remove myself from the pageant
and I.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
Don't want to stop you guys from being able to
have the pageant just because of little old me.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
And she leaves and then Laura worst teacher ever.

Speaker 6 (56:10):
Decide because she tells the story.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Because she tells Nancy's very personal business to the entire class,
like it's so inappropriate.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
Hipro come on, like it's so now.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
She could have said, you know, we don't know what
Nancy's Nancy has had a hard background. You don't know
what she's been through, but she's been through a lot,
and we need to be kind and compassionate towards her,
and you don't know the struggles that like that's appropriate,
but literally being like, hey, you guys, guess what happened
to her? It's so inappropriate now.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
You cannot put this on. Yes Laura says these things. Yes,
maybe it's inappropriate, but I mean.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
It is what it is is to the next thing. No, no,
of course has nothing to do with the actress. It's
just like the story, Oh.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
No, you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
And again it's they adopted this child, knowing nothing about her.
That they were like, here, have a kid, so in
the same thing of things we would never do today.
Oh yeah, the adopted. Here's what happened to her that now.

Speaker 7 (57:19):
It's a medical violation.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
It would be like you can't reveal the minor to Yeah,
it's all this stuff that like, glad we don't live
in the eighteen hundreds anymore. Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (57:29):
Yeah really, So Laura makes this whole pitch to the kids.

Speaker 6 (57:34):
Yes, and they bite.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Yeah, they feel bad.

Speaker 7 (57:37):
But she starts lecturing of all people.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
She says, to be abandoned, to have no parents, and
there's Albert. Albert is sitting around and she too Albert's face, well,
can you imagine what it's like to be a I'm
sorry When she meant him he was living under a staircase.

Speaker 6 (57:51):
Staircase.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Albert had run away from an orphanage where he was
starving and mistreated and was living under a staircase. And
she's lecturing this child about how he should be sympathetic
to Nancy because she was an orphan.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
It's real weird. So many conundrums, so many conundrums. That
is the title of this episode. So many conundrums.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
Anyway, all of that, Nancy buttons it wonderfully.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Right because they call her back and she's still playing
the sad act and they're like, guess what, Nancy, we
are going to do the pageant.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
Hooray, We're all here for you.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
And then yes, Nancy has a private take to camera,
just rolling her eyes saying.

Speaker 6 (58:34):
Dummies, evil, this love that.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
Oh my god, Michael, you are seating this child with
so much evil.

Speaker 6 (58:46):
It's so good.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
It's so good.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
And you know he was writing this, you know, with
this yellow legal lad in his left hand hold and going.

Speaker 6 (58:59):
This is just like with his humor, his wit, all
of that. This just like had to have flown out
of him. I mean, this is one of the right
spot of that sort of There was such such moral.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
Clarity in what he would write, and he had on
his hands now a real villain that he.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Could that he could like this was one of those
ones he wrote in two hours, because there always ones
like I'm almost you would just bang them out. Go
I have this idea and it was just on the paper.

Speaker 7 (59:35):
I think this is one of those.

Speaker 5 (59:36):
There are wonderful stories about Michael sitting at his desk
in his office and he would turn his back to
the writer's room. You know, he had like his guys
around him, and he would turn his back of the
room would go quiet for ten minutes, oh you know,
just there'd be no no one would say anything, and
no one needed to fill the space Michael was thinking.

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And after whatever the amount of time he needed, he
turned around and he would lay out this story and
he would set it up with I remember a time
when I was a kid when or he would just
he would dig into something very personal and then he
could spin that into this story that he wanted to tell,

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and he would.

Speaker 6 (01:00:25):
It was just like clarity.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
Kent McCrae talked about the fact that he could write
a script overnight. His first script that he wrote for Bonanza,
he wrote on a Sunday afternoon or on over a
weekend because there was a hole in the schedule in
Bonanza and he had an idea, and he said he
called David Door toward or whoever the I think it
was David Door Toart and said, if I can give

(01:00:49):
you a script on Sunday, can.

Speaker 6 (01:00:50):
You shoot it on Monday?

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
And David door Toward said yeah, sure, and by God
the script and the script was on David door Towards
door on Sunday morning, and they prepped it that day
and shot it the next day.

Speaker 6 (01:01:07):
Yeah, that's yeah. No. I think there was.

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
A genius in Michael and an ability to see where
a story lived, and I just he just had just
an uncanny clarity about what was going to work and
what would teach in just really extraordinary. I mean, these

(01:01:34):
these are the things that people are going to be
watching in his show, In this show and the other
shows that he was involved with, Highway and so on,
these are the things that people watch over and over
again and marvel.

Speaker 6 (01:01:46):
At he He did create a formidable villain here, really,
and she gave it to him, She had all the
tools to do it for him.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
It was it was a wonderful pairing. I don't know
that I really have appreciated how wonderful Alison Balson was
until you really start looking at all of this and
realizing the pairing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Of the right and analyzing it right.

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
And understanding what she was able to give him and
give voice to the story that he knew he could
tell with her. It's pretty great, Okay, let's move.

Speaker 6 (01:02:26):
So yeah, so Charles goes to Sleepy Eye now and
there we go.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Here we go, everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
So she was lying, we just didn't know what the story, Okay.
So Charles bumps into what's his name, mister Casey, who's
you know at the head of the organ, met him
runs the orphanage and mister.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
Case is like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Loud Nancy like, I'm afraid to ask because he knows
she's batshit bananas.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
Okay, sorry, excuse me, but sometimes you just have to
say that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Okay, So so pause, like, well, you know it was
rough at first, but now that she's finally started to
open up and we know about her mother abandoning her,
and you know, now now we have more of a grasp,
and mister.

Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
Case is like, what happened?

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
So basically we find out and this is solidifies the
fact that Nancy was born a psychopath. Right for me,
I was like, oh, there it is okay. She her
mother died in childbirth. This is the real story. And
Nancy was raised by a lovely, very kind little grandmother

(01:03:41):
who couldn't take it because Nancy was a horror and
kept getting into trouble and though the old woman just
couldn't take it anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
So, which is rough in itself, of.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Course, I mean the story is awful, but it also Oh,
she's a psychopath, got it?

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Eighteen hundreds more eighteen hundreds? No privacy of that, pa,
he's blurting out her story. He doesn't even know who
isn't even the adopted parent you're asking, it's the eighteen hundreds.
We don't care, okay, So yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:21):
It's all in service of the story exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
That seemed to not bother me that the teachers bother me.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
Yeah, no, what is hippa? Okay? So now Charles is like,
won't want wah?

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Okay it do?

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
So could you write, he asked, mister Case, could you
write all this down for you so I can take that.

Speaker 6 (01:04:41):
I want to make sure I've got all this right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
To explain it right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
So now we're back in Walnut Grove and now it's
time for Nancy to wash up the dishes. That's her
punishment aka also getting paid for. But so she gets
into the kitchen, sees the dishes, and again puts on
the waterworks. Puts on the act starts to cry.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
What was it? She said, it reminded her of being with.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Her with her mother, my mother, and she's gone.

Speaker 6 (01:05:13):
And I love this.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
I always, you know, always I'm listening for this stuff.
David Rose's cue that he writes to cover this moment
is sort of like crocodile tears.

Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
Yes, kind of a cue here. So the audience is
knowing now we know, yeah, we know her.

Speaker 5 (01:05:36):
And and David is amplifying that with this que that
he wrote.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
And she's sobbing her way and.

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
Hester Sue, you know, Ketty was always lovely in these scenes,
and you know she she still hasn't doesn't know who
she's dealing with, so she's being loving.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Very sweet, sympathetic Sue. Yes, So they decide let's put
her on the switchboard and maybe one she'll come back
to the dishes, which is what a thing switchboard? We
thought Nelly was that at the switch word?

Speaker 6 (01:06:09):
My god, I mean another story.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
I don't think we ever got there with her. She
was never on the switchboard. We never saw her on
the switchboard, but you.

Speaker 6 (01:06:18):
Could just see the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Switch.

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
Yeah, I can, I can screw up everybody now if
I get on the switchboard.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Yeah, true, evil Okay, now here we go, here we go,
and right now we're back and who so I guess
Paul tells.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Nels and Harriet.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
Harriet's reading the stuff and Harriet can't believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Her precious Yes, Nancy would lie to that extent.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
Right, and is very disturbed by it, thank god. Finally,
and so Laura then devises a plan. This is good
old kid Laura. Now at heart, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Now it's and now it's a soap opera where they're
like screaming for to do weird crazy stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
So Laura devises a plan. We still don't know what
the plan is, but she's like, don't worry, I'm going
to handle this. Don't tell Nancy that we learned the.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
Truth about her.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Leave it all to me, and everything's gonna be fine. Now,
what's so funny about this is that this little musical
montage of Laura going to house to house to house
the kids is that is that literally, it's like the happiest,
happiest of music. We're gonna go to the kids houses.

(01:07:46):
We're gonna devise a plan to you shamefully umiliate this
girl in the public square. Ya da da da it's
so wild.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
I mean, that is something sort of that what that
that you know, twelve year old Laura.

Speaker 6 (01:08:00):
Yes, we would have done and.

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
We would let that go because of course this is
this is justice in the playground.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
It was a choice doing that happy, happy music to
this little montage.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
I mean it was such a choice.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
It was a bold, bold choice that I find very
interesting that because I'm like, come on, guys, we're going
to cure the psycho.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Laura. How much of this is Laura getting some revenge?

Speaker 7 (01:08:32):
Totally?

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Nelly, Well, I can fix this one.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
I couldn't get this right in a place of authority,
of course, because that's why she's like, oh yeah, I'm
gonna do this.

Speaker 6 (01:08:44):
She is sort of very happily doing this writing and
this is what we're going to do, and.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
It's almost like the ending credit music, it's so happy.

Speaker 6 (01:09:01):
Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
Just so what am I watching right now? Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:09:06):
So yeah, so now now we go now the plot
that the plan is taking shape and we're going to
have a bizarre yes, and we need a mermaid booth.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Who's the most we need to make.

Speaker 6 (01:09:18):
The like this has happened before. So Alison was there
ever a mermaid booth before.

Speaker 7 (01:09:22):
No, of course not no, No, I got dunked.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
We're at the fair and somehow I got talked into
doing it and then I get done.

Speaker 7 (01:09:29):
No murmur.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
I'm like, when the hell did they have a mermaid?

Speaker 5 (01:09:32):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
She makes this up, there's no murm. This reminds me of.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Charlie Brown Christmas, where Lucy is talking about like the
Christmas pageant and she's like, we're even going to have
a Christmas queen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Christmas queen. It's Lucy And now here's what I loved
about this. So Nancy buys it. They tell her this
lot of riss story that even after they clearly all
hate her and she's not in the pageant, you're in
the paget affected to start the star the Queen and
there's a mermaid queen. Why is there a mermaid queen?
What does that have to do with anything? She believes
them completely and buys it and doesn't question it, proving

(01:10:09):
my theory that no one is easier to con than
a con. It's the people who sling the bs and
con and lie everybody are the most gullible.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Well, if it's flattery, if it's flattery and praise. Yes,
that's classic narcissist right, Like classic narcissistic behavior is as
long as you're flattering them, they'll they'll buy it. Like
it's all self serving stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:10:36):
So we in our world today, Well.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
I wonder but anyway, okay, so anyway, missus Olsen now
makes this beautiful mermaid cousme and I will say a

(01:11:01):
This mermaid costume is an iconic in all of Little.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
House on the Praier.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
It is. It is as iconic as Laura's grown.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
Up dress that she first wears.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
It's as iconic as the blue dress with the little
flowers that they wear as little girls. It's it is iconic.
Everyone knows this outfit. This is this is like the
stuff of legend. Nancy is feeling great, gorgeous. It is
so beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
She looks beautiful. She feels beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Now here's the shady, shady stuff that happens next. This
is also like what so Albert takes Nancy and they
go under like this, it's.

Speaker 6 (01:11:40):
Dark before sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
Before that, Harriet and Nell's are hearing the story about
how she's been voted, and Nell's is saying, why.

Speaker 6 (01:11:53):
Would they vote? They want her?

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Yes, he's the only one thinking that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Exactly, yes, all right.

Speaker 6 (01:12:02):
So now okay, now we're at the Bazaar.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Okay, now we'ret the Bizarre and Albert takes her and
she's like, I can't see what is happening, and he's like, no, no,
it's going to be a surprise and we're going to
reveal you and just sit here, and she's like, it's
too dark, so she cannot see anything that's going on,
which is you know, creepy in itself. And then and
then it is finally revealed. There she is and all

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of her glory on a swing in the air.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Here's the Mermaid, yay. And she looks down and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Sees that she is over a big pool of water
and quickly realizes that this is the dunking booth at
the Bazaar.

Speaker 9 (01:12:41):
Brilliant, and she's and she's, uh yes, and she rightly,
you know, I mean, not surprisingly, she begs to be
you know, insists that she be taken out of this thing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
And what Albert Albert is you know calling lining or
no is Willie who's like lining people up for their tickets.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Oh yes, yes, of course.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
No if that happens first, and then the curtain rises
and Nancy sees that she's water, get me out of this.

Speaker 6 (01:13:09):
You wanted to be the mermaid. And now we start
with the retribution and well.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
And then the veil is lifted because Belinda is the
first one to have a go, and what comes out
of that little girl Nancy's mouth is so horrific where she's.

Speaker 10 (01:13:29):
Like, I'm glad you got sick, which was so shocking
even for Harriet that that snaps Harriet out of it finally.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Well, and Belinda does get her. She she's the third try.
She gets there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Frying again to the audience.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Very satisfying to the audience, but she's so hurt that
when that veil sort of rises and we actually see
what Nancy actually thinks and actually feels, it is also
incredible satisfying that Harriet finally snaps out of this thing
and sees her for what she's actually doing, and she

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picks up the balls and has a go at her
also rightfully, so which is awesome was that when she
finally when she finally hits it on the third try
and and she goes down, Catherine's expression shock that she
actually did it, and it's that perfect combination of like, yes,

(01:14:33):
I needed to do this, Yes, she deserved it, and
also like, I can't believe I had to do this,
and I can't believe this little girl's It is the
perfect combination of like a mother's guilt and also doing
what was appropriate to be done. I I just let
and it was maybe communich, but it wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:14:53):
Yeah, and you know it really maybe that's the redeeming
moment in this Yes, is that more than anything else,
that's the redemption is if the woman who's been defending.

Speaker 6 (01:15:04):
Nancy yes all along, is willing.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
To say, yes, this is unacceptable, then the town's actions
become acceptable.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
That's it so for me, because and then she does
come up to Nancy, and again Katherin McGregor like, where
were her words?

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
I don't understand this last scene she dunks her in
the in the in the pool, and then she immediately
comes up to her and says, you know, I love you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
I love you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
And this is debatable, what do you guys think? And
Nancy and I do think it's a moment of maybe
fleeting honesty where she says I love you too, and
then she says, okay, buck up, buck up, you know,
do this, do you know, hold your head up high
and do this. You have to do this, and she
does and for the rest of the afternoon gets dunked
in this.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
She gets dugg right, But do you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Yeah, for me, I had a thought of like, is
this still a con for on Nancy's part? Because I
think Deane, you're right. I think the change really was
Catherine was Harriet, and I don't know how much Nancy
actually I know the lesson. I know what Michael Lanbdon's intention.

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Of course, Michael and Landon's intention is. Yes, Nancy actually
had a moment of honesty and actually had a caring
feeling and was able to receive love as well.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
I get that that was I think supposed to happen.

Speaker 8 (01:16:30):
Yeah, well what do you think actually, I think Nancy did,
but only with the with missus Olson, only with Harriet
that she has the thing of, Okay, this is the
person I need to maybe not screw with.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Yeah, yeah, I have to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
I have to not lie to her. I think that
treated with her because she's in my corner and none
of these other people really are. So maybe I should
like make some kind of peace and be nice to
this lady because this thing, but the whole thing, and
you're saying, like, yes, if they all hate her, then
the dunk tank is cruel. But then Harriet's just no,
I love you, you just can't do this, and that
that's where it's it kind of works.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
So and then Laura has the voice over voiceover at
the end, uh that we people cared enough about her
to not let her get away with bad behavior. That's
sort of what that's essence, what the what the voiceover
says at the end, And I just I wonder if

(01:17:31):
at that point we look, we just have to embrace
the We have to just embrace the teaching moment that
is here. We people cared enough about her to let
her know. Now nothing changed, if you're if you're you know,
if you.

Speaker 6 (01:17:46):
Watch what follows, and we I mean, she's the same
she is.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Maybe attempted murder didn't happen again.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
She stopped trying to kill people, and she continued to
be nice to her mother.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Other than that, other than the attempted murder stuff, yeah,
I mean nothing really.

Speaker 6 (01:18:06):
Other than the attempted murder.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
She totally that was the last time she tried to
kill anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:18:18):
That's a huge lesson.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
Well, yeah, I think I think.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
That would be the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
Yeah, yeah, I guess.

Speaker 5 (01:18:30):
So I just get the lesson tough wet love.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
I mean it's like, well take that as you will.

Speaker 6 (01:18:42):
It is. Look it does.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
The episode ties up in a neat little bow. This
is what you know. This is what the show was
famous for. I wonder how many people watching this wondered, hmmmm,
is has anything really changed here?

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
I know, listen it is.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
It is super satisfying in a visceral level seeing this girl.

Speaker 6 (01:19:09):
Being dumped in it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Like, but but then I was thinking, like if I
was Belinda and I almost died because this girl purposely
locked me in an ice house, would this satisfy that?

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Like?

Speaker 6 (01:19:21):
Would like?

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Would I be cool with her after this?

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
Because I dun'd in a pool?

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Trial?

Speaker 6 (01:19:28):
Charges just time?

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Yes, we need to talk to Laura.

Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
To talk about this.

Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
I agree, because I think she's Laura is a very
bright actress.

Speaker 6 (01:19:39):
I wonder what her take on this would be.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
I know I'm dying to know. We have to would
be awesome if we could get me Laura and Alison
Alison Laura Harden together, Like what like space time in
version of the universe would happen?

Speaker 6 (01:19:57):
Very entertaining conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Well, let's try, let's try try.

Speaker 6 (01:20:02):
Yeah, I mean I think, but you know, yes, we
should try all of that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:06):
But I think I think your point is well taken.
I mean, this is someone who.

Speaker 6 (01:20:12):
Nearly dies, Yeah, in an ice house.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
Yeah, it's a bit much, it's a lot, it's extra nice.

Speaker 6 (01:20:19):
It's pretty incredible forgiveness for that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Yeah, and again I'm I'm no dummy. I know this
serves the purpose of the show.

Speaker 4 (01:20:27):
I know the show is.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
About lessons and la la la, and not to take
it all too seriously, but it is interesting to see
it in a twenty twenty six eye, right, with twenty
twenty six eyes now, I being like, that's not how
we need to handle that.

Speaker 6 (01:20:42):
It is interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:20:43):
I'm going to say this is another Michael Landon really
prescient moment. We are living in our culture today where
there is a level of unrepentant evil around us that
is extraordinary that we've just never se to, you know,
to quote someone, We've just never seen anything like this before.

(01:21:05):
And this was an interesting take for Little House back
in nineteen eighty one. So we're talking you twenty five
years ago, forty five twenty ago.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
Although it feels like twenty five year agea, not forty five.

Speaker 5 (01:21:18):
Yeah, forty five years ago. We're getting this lesson where
the level the amping up of evil.

Speaker 6 (01:21:29):
Was significant.

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
I mean, Allison Nelly was benignly evil by comparison to this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
I mean, I don't think you kill anyone trying to
kill anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
Yeah, there were no murder plots, never trying to kill
anybody in the show.

Speaker 6 (01:21:43):
Thank goodness.

Speaker 5 (01:21:44):
And that's why people continue to love you so much
because anything you did was.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
It was right off the table.

Speaker 6 (01:21:51):
Yeah, murder was off the table. Good for you, good
for everybody involved that murder was off the table.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Yeah, is it a good old day?

Speaker 6 (01:22:00):
Yeah? Why is it in nineteen eighty one that suddenly
murdered could.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
Be was on the table? I don't know, Yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:22:11):
I'd be curious to know what our you know, what
our audience thinks about this, and.

Speaker 6 (01:22:16):
And you know our audience is, you know, it's a very.

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
Loyal audience in the very smart.

Speaker 5 (01:22:21):
You know I've seen recently we are the most current
metric is we've had over one point two million downloads
really podcast now?

Speaker 6 (01:22:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:22:30):
So yeah, yeah, one point two million downloads on the
podcast now, so I think we have an audience that's intrigued, yes,
by all of this. I'd be curious to know what
they think. And look, I'm not asking anyone to step
into the you know, the the allegorical aspects of this,

(01:22:50):
but the evolution of taking one character that's just sort
of like nasty Braddy and does horrible things to people
but no death involved, and taking that to a character
where that's where the worst possible outcomes are totally on
the table.

Speaker 6 (01:23:11):
It's a really interesting evolution. So I think we need
to say goodbye.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Now, all right, that's that was God going cut it,
cut it short, guys, according.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
To you, Okay, yeah, I don't know that was some
new people too long, damn you? Yeah, yeah, we should
probably write but yeah, and this this character been going
to this next character who will attempt murder? And now
we're about to go into a world where there will
be another there shall be another. It's not Highland or
if it can only be one, there shall be another.

(01:23:40):
What will she do? How far are they going to
take that?

Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
Exactly?

Speaker 5 (01:23:44):
You know, it's so fascinating that all these programs are
entertainments for their time, and what will what will how
will the eighteen seventies, what we've seen in contemporary entertainment.
Look at some of the uh Taylor Sheridan stuff, where
the level of evil and you know in eighteen eighty three,

(01:24:07):
you know there's a huge level of evil in that
Deadwood dead Wood, Deadwood one of the most cruel evil things.

Speaker 6 (01:24:19):
So everybody's everyone's awful. No, I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
Anyway, there's a lot, there's a lot to be considered. Here,
will be all going to be fascinated. On July ninth,
when the first season Little House.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
I can't believe we have a date.

Speaker 6 (01:24:32):
Yeah, I think they're going to be viewing party.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Screening party, screening party.

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
We must, we must, we must.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
Yeah, yeah, maybe I'll I was gonna say, maybe I
should come out to California.

Speaker 6 (01:24:45):
And we should do and we should do a lot.
We should do a live podcast around it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
Oh god, podcast, screening party and you need to be there.

Speaker 5 (01:24:53):
Yeah, here where everybody were inventing this, This is we
have talked about.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
That happened.

Speaker 6 (01:25:01):
Pamela just spun this up right now.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
Me, okay, throw me under the bus.

Speaker 6 (01:25:08):
All right, No, No, it's idea.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
I think it's a good idea too.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
All right, Well, we'll let you guys know, we'll discuss.

Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
We'll have discussions in the meantime. We're gonna wrap this
one up. You guys.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
This was so much fun.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
This was so much fun.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Of course, we have so much to cover before Nancy
even enters the show at all. But but we will.
We we have got a lot of recapping to do.

Speaker 6 (01:25:34):
Yeah, we jumped here and we're gonna we'll jump. We'll
just yeah, we'll just keep going. There's really, guys, system.
We just episodes.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
Literal start throwing which one that one? But we enjoy
them and we hope you guys do too. So join
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(01:26:04):
Why are you missing it? You don't need to miss it.
Join us on Patreon. I don't know what we're going
to talk about today, but it's gonna be really good
whatever it is, as it always is. And uh, that's it,
you guys. If I said everything I needed to say everything,
and Dean just said it. Here we go, guys, Bob

(01:26:25):
get the wig let's fly. Oh wow.

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