November 16, 2025 • 65 mins
Topic: Exorcism
Author • Pastor • Broadcaster • The Real ExorcistDr. Bob Larson is internationally recognized as the world’s foremost expert on cults, the occult, and supernatural phenomena. He has ministered in more than 100 countries and appeared on major TV networks and in publications such as People, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and The Los Angeles Times.Author & Scholar
Larson has written 36 books translated into over a dozen languages. His landmark works include Larson’s Book of Spiritual Warfare, Larson’s Book of Cults, and Larson’s Book of World Religions and Alternative Spirituality. His writings serve as standard reference texts in many colleges and seminaries. Other books include: Demon Proofing Prayers, Curse Breaking, Jezebel, Dealing with Demons, and Set Your Family Free.Broadcasting & Media
For 20 years, Larson hosted the nationally syndicated radio show Talk-Back with Bob Larson, reaching millions across North America. He later starred in the reality TV series The Real Exorcist, documenting his global ministry of deliverance. His YouTube Exorcism Channel has nearly ten million viewers worldwide.Ministry & Training
Larson founded Do What Jesus Did (DWJD®) Spiritual Freedom Teams in more than 100 cities and leads Spiritual Freedom Churches International, a global network devoted to Luke 4:18’s mission of healing and deliverance. His Center for Spiritual Freedom in Phoenix, Arizona, offers personal encounter sessions for emotional and spiritual restoration. He also established Bob Larson University, offering comprehensive online training in exorcism and deliverance ministry.Recognition & Personal Life
Dr. Larson holds an honorary doctorate in recognition of his lifelong ministry. He and his wife, Laura, have three daughters—Brynne, Brooke, and Brielle—who share his passion for spiritual freedom. The family resides in Scottsdale, Arizona.“Men like Bob Larson are out front, battling Satan… The Devil meets his match in Bob Larson.” — MSNBC TV InvestigatesAn avid adventurer, Larson has climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro, scaled Sydney’s Harbour Bridge, and hiked China’s Great Wall.Website: https://boblarson.org/
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Author • Pastor • Broadcaster • The Real ExorcistDr. Bob Larson is internationally recognized as the world’s foremost expert on cults, the occult, and supernatural phenomena. He has ministered in more than 100 countries and appeared on major TV networks and in publications such as People, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and The Los Angeles Times.Author & Scholar
Larson has written 36 books translated into over a dozen languages. His landmark works include Larson’s Book of Spiritual Warfare, Larson’s Book of Cults, and Larson’s Book of World Religions and Alternative Spirituality. His writings serve as standard reference texts in many colleges and seminaries. Other books include: Demon Proofing Prayers, Curse Breaking, Jezebel, Dealing with Demons, and Set Your Family Free.Broadcasting & Media
For 20 years, Larson hosted the nationally syndicated radio show Talk-Back with Bob Larson, reaching millions across North America. He later starred in the reality TV series The Real Exorcist, documenting his global ministry of deliverance. His YouTube Exorcism Channel has nearly ten million viewers worldwide.Ministry & Training
Larson founded Do What Jesus Did (DWJD®) Spiritual Freedom Teams in more than 100 cities and leads Spiritual Freedom Churches International, a global network devoted to Luke 4:18’s mission of healing and deliverance. His Center for Spiritual Freedom in Phoenix, Arizona, offers personal encounter sessions for emotional and spiritual restoration. He also established Bob Larson University, offering comprehensive online training in exorcism and deliverance ministry.Recognition & Personal Life
Dr. Larson holds an honorary doctorate in recognition of his lifelong ministry. He and his wife, Laura, have three daughters—Brynne, Brooke, and Brielle—who share his passion for spiritual freedom. The family resides in Scottsdale, Arizona.“Men like Bob Larson are out front, battling Satan… The Devil meets his match in Bob Larson.” — MSNBC TV InvestigatesAn avid adventurer, Larson has climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro, scaled Sydney’s Harbour Bridge, and hiked China’s Great Wall.Website: https://boblarson.org/
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/midnight-frequency-radio--6625891/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:35):
Good evening from the those archific hills of Northeast Arkansas.
I'm Carl Richardson, and this is Midnight Freaking'sy Radio. Our
guest this evening is doctor Bob Larsen. Doctor Larson is
internationally recognized as the world's foremost expert on cults, the
occult and spiritual phenomenon. He has ministered in more than
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one hundred countries and appeared on may TV networks, and
in publications such as People, The New York Times, The
Washington Post, and The Los Angeles Times. Doctor Larson has
written thirty six books, translated into over a dozen languages.
His landmark works include Larson's Book of Spiritual Warfare, Larson's
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Book of Cults, and Larson's Book of World Religions and
Alternative Spirituality. His writings serve as standard reference text in
many colleges and seminaries. Other books include demon Proofing, Prayers,
Curse Breaking, Jezebel, Dealing with Demons, and Set Your Family Free.
For twenty years, doctor Larson has hosted the national syndicated
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radio talk show Talk with Bob Larsen, reaching millions across
North America. He later started in the reality TV series
The real exorcists, documenting his global ministries of deliverance. His
YouTube exorcism channel has nearly ten million viewers worldwide. Doctor
Larson founded Do What Jesus Did, Spiritual Freedom teams in
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more than one hundred cities, and leads Spiritual Freedom Church International,
a global network devoted to Luke for eighteenth mission of
healing and Deliverance. A Center for Spiritual Freedom in Phoenix,
Arizona offers personal encounter sessions for emotional and spiritual restoration.
He also established Bob Larson's University, offering comprehensive online training
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in exorcism and deliverance ministry, Good England, Doctor Larson, Welcome
to Midnight Frequency Radio.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Thank you very much, very very happy to be here
with you.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I guess the first question I would want to ask
is what chain of events led you to the ministry
of exorcism.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well, with most people, it's a calling. It's not something
that you sign up for. There's a single seminary in
America that has a degree incism, and in general it's
not well accepted by many of the mainstream churches, although
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the Roman Catholic Church has a long multi century history
of acception, so it's not the sort of thing that
you check off if you're going to go to a
Bible college or a seminary. I didn't set out to
do what I do.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Well.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
What happened in the early part of my ministry, and
where we're all in the clock back over forty years here,
is that people would come to me with problems. I
would be speaking into church or some location and they
would approach me and spontaneously, out of nowhere, they would
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manifest demons. By that, I mean the demons would present
themselves and they would begin to speak out of the
person's body. And I had this happened to me on
numbers of occasions, and I thought, well, I don't know
of anybody else this is happening to, so I need
to find out about it. But there really were almost
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no books that you can read, very little information. There
wasn't on Internet you could turn to. There was no
AI to consult, so you were pretty much on your own,
and I was. But what had happened was a turning
point as a young man. I decided in my mid
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twenties to take off and see the world, and I
traveled to parts of the world that I've never seen before,
like India and Asia. In those parts of the world,
the supernatural is not poo pooed like it is in America.
It's just a natural part of people's lives. It's what
they do. They interact with spirits. They have peace spirits,
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they call forth spirits. They performed curses, rituals, all kinds
of ceremonies. Not a big deal. But I was in
Singapore and I witnessed a self mutilation ritual that was horrendous.
I've never seen anything like it myself, the way that
people would torture themselves. And when I asked what gave
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them the power to do this, they said, our gods
enter into us and give us the power. And what
was really interesting was that when this event happened where
they were overtaken by their gods, they would scream, they
would yell, they would fall on the floor, they would
writhe in agony, and they always denoted that to spirit possession.
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And so I had seen it there, it was just
a matter of time before I was to see it
in America.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
As your exorcism approach differ from the traditional Catholic.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Right, well, the Catholic right is excellent.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
This was developed many centuries ago, and it was put
down in a document called the Ritual romanom of the
Roman Catholic Ritual of Exorcism, and I've read it and
it's excellent. But it's very formulae and it's quite precise,
and a priest who is going to follow it has
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to go through a lot of steps that are very
doctrinaire and specific about Roman Catholic beliefs as well as
the Christian beliefs in general. But what I have found is,
even though it's got excellent terminology and excellent guidance and
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I've found it a good source of study, as a
practical matter, most exorcisms are a little bit more psychotherapeutic.
In other words, you're.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Really not just going through.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And reading something in Latin or translating it into English,
but you're dealing with the psyche of the person. They're feelings,
their emotions, and you know, in the Roman Catholic Ritual
of Exorcism there's really no place to stop and listen
to the stories of people, although good Catholic exorcists will
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do that, and much of what an exorcism is is
hearing the story of a person's life and the phenomenal
paranormal things that they have been through and then determining
whether or not that is the money.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Before you do an exorcism. Is there a particular way
that you prepare yourself mentally and spiritually.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well, you would think that there would be a process,
and really there isn't. I mean, there's a general process
of prayer, but I do that every day, preparing myself
for battle with the devil, and this part can or
point in time. Post COVID, what we have developed is
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a regular regimen of exorcisms all day long, every day,
both with people in person as well as virtually. And
about fifty percent of the people that I do exorcisms
on or outside of the United States and are talking
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to me by zoom. So you just prepare yourself in
general or spiritual battle through through prayers and study. But
there's really no way to anticipate what can happen if
somebody presents themselves with a demon.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Is it easy to determine whether a person has a
mental illness or demonic possession?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Actually it is if you're experienced, but most people are
not experienced. So for example the Roman Catholic Church, there
is in most cases the necessity of having a psychiatric
or psychological evaluation to make that determined before they start
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the exorcism. Many of the people who come to me
have had psyche valuations, they have spent years, sometimes in
psychological therapy, but it hasn't solved their problem. And that's
the person who comes to someone like me. They've gone
down that road, They've taken them meds. There's nothing wrong
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with that if a person has mental illness, but there's
certain things that you watch for, and one of the
main things that I look for is the person's individual history.
In other words, is the mental illness that they claim
to have or somebody says they have, is it's something
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that just happened out of nowhere. But the possessed person
usually has a history of things such as severe trauma,
often sexual abuse or violent physical abuse, or something that
has been very dramatically traumatic to them. And probably the
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biggest category is people who have dabbled in the occult
and witchcraft and gotten into various forms of satanism and
things which are very diabolic. And you will see that
they may have spent months or years sometimes pursuing from one, two, three,
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or four or five such things to I just was
working with a man Friday, whose list of diabolic things
ran to about forty or fifty that he had gotten
involved in, each one a step trying to find help
for the mental and emotional problems they had. But when
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somebody has a better illness, there there were things. So
for example, somebody comes to you and says, well, I
hear voices, and those voices are demons. Well, I don't
necessarily think they are demons. Many times people are psychomic
and they're delusional, and they do hear voices. But the
difference is a psychological part of the mind is not
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going to present itself as a specific identity with a
diabolic name and give you the details of Howard entered
into the person. That's a very different situation.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
But someone like that, I don't know if you remember
the exorcism of Analysa Nourice.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
De fact, can you repeat that to get I didn't
get the part of that first part of that.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
The exorcism performed on a A Lisa Nourice, the young lady.
Do you feel that that was a possession or did
she have a mental issues?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I think she had a possession. I don't think there's
any question about that. Okay, And you know the fact
is that it did not reach a completely successful conclusion.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
That's the tragedy of it.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And sometimes people wait too long before they come for help,
and so what's happened is the demon has so taken
them over that they hardly have any identity it left,
and oftentimes are very suicidal or a very self abusive
with conditions of Atarexi and so on, and almost unrecoverable
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at that point.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
When you were on in two thousand and one with Artbail,
y'all had discussed that the numbers of people being possessed
in larger cities had increased a great deal. Has it
still continued to increase in the larger cities.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Well, the fact is the increase since I talked with
a Great R. Bell some decades ago, a couple of
decades ago, it's exponentially increased. What I was seeing then
is the magnitude of today is so extreme. And part
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of that is because of the Internet. Of course, you know,
anybody can get on the Internet and claim to worship
some type of being that they call up from the
underworld and will give you all the desires of your life.
I mean, this stuff is all over the place there
have been. Last time, I checked forty billion hits on
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the which talk division of tik talk, and it's probably
over fifty billion now. It's been a couple months since
I check it out. It's billions of people who have
visited this site in which they are you how to
curse people. They show you how to call up spirits.
This didn't exist when I was talking to ours some
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years ago, so these developments have made it a lot
more work, a lot worse.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I tend to avoid TikTok and those formats. Are there
any common signs that someone might be under demonic influence?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Sure? There are, And.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
When I give you those signs, keep in mind that
any one of those signs could also be a psychological
problem or behavioral problem. It doesn't necessarily mean if they've
these signs are present, that it means have a deemon.
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But not just the signs, the personal life history. So
it does the person have a history of severe substance
abuse and they've tried all types of rehabilitation programs and
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they have not been able to overcome it. Then you
find out that that substance abuse is rooted oftentimes with
sexual abuse, with physical abuse, emotional abuse, a severe abandonment
growing up, a loss of personal identity.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Those are the things that I'm looking for. Now.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
When I actually meet with a person after I've discovered
their history, then the signs that I'm looking for are
whether or not the person can maintain eye contact with me,
because I'm always looking for evil in their eyes. Jesus
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said the eyes the maror of the soul, And it
really is so. When you look in somebody's eyes, that's
where you see the real person. And when I am
doing an exorcism, I really fixate on the person's eyes
and I am waiting for that moment when I see
what I call that look. It's just it's once you've
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seen it, you never forget it. It is so otherworldly,
it is so evil. It is so intense that I've had,
you know, psychiatrists say to me, they've seen it. They
know what it is, and they know that it's not
something that that they've got a pill for. It's it's
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totally diabolical. It's totally evil. And then the signs that
I wait for is a voice going to speak out
of their body? And does that voice claim to be
a demon?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Do all demons have names.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
They yes, they all have names.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
How do you go about learning their names?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Well, the wrong way to go about it is to
get a bunch of occult books and start reading through them,
because there are demonology books that are not based in religion.
They're they're based in black magic and the occulture. So
they want to sub in these demons, and they will
list all of these names. But many of these dames
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are Bible names, and they may represent the function of
what the demon does, like murder, or it could be
a classic name like some pagan god. Maybe they called
themselves Zeus or Thor or something like that. And then
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there are demons that represent the emotional state of the person,
and that is in the category of say anger or
self hate, and so they will go by those names.
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But they may also go by a name, classical name
like Beelzebob or Lucifer or Mammon or something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But the name tells you a lot about what the
demon is trying to do to the host person.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Is there one particular exorcism that you'd done that was
difficult or dangerous more than any other that you had done.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
That's difficult to say, because now the quote that you
were giving in the early biography has now been long
since surpassed, and I'm now over fifty thousand documented cases
of exorcism, so it's hard to reach back. But you
tend to think of the ones that are the most violent,
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and they stick in your mind because they're phenomenal. I mean,
you see things of a super human nature. And then
the ones that talk to you about historical events, and honestly,
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it's amazing what these demons will claim. I've had demons
give exact dates in history, and there's no way the
person would know about this and would have been able
to put together some event that happened in sixteen forty three,
and the demon will tell you there was an ancestor who,
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let's say, killed somebody in a certain year and a
certain place in a certain country. Those are the things
that stick out in your mind. Most people want to know.
Have I seen supernatural things happen? Yes, but it's not common,
not as common as the movies portray it. What you
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do see are these demons who claim knowledge of events
in history and many occasions. I've gone back to the
history books and I've gone back to AI and found
out that what the demon claimed is actually something that
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happened that I didn't even know took.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Place in history.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yes, sir, I have a listener that sent a message
asking can you share where you've got your honorary doctrine.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Well, yes, I received an honorary doctorate as the result
of what had been accomplished over a lifetime and the
documents that I have written. I've written over fifty books.
I also originated the Bob Larson University, and that particular
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institution is a theologically astute series of courses, not only
just dealing with exorcism, but the anthropological, the psychological, the epistemological,
the donico logical aspects of exorcism. So, in response to
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having developed the university, the Board of Directors conferred that
upon me.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I have a question. Situations like recently the young lady
that was stabbed. I believe it was subway or a
bus by the gentleman. Just it was unreal situation. Someone
just to get up and attack someone like that. Is
it possible that the individual had possession?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Oh, of course that there's not the slightest doubt in
my mind that that was a demonic act and that
he was acting under the influence of demons. Now, it's
also highly probable that he had some severe mental illness
and some delusion that associated his thinking from what he
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was actually doing, that he could not in a sociopathic
kind of way, fully comprehend the extent of his.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Actions and the way that it happened.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
And what we have been able to see of the
portions of the video that have been released to the media,
the coldness, the calculated nature which he did it, and
his actions afterwards showed that there was a complete disconnect
between the taking of a human life brutally and violently
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and how he processed. That is, as if he had just,
you know, eaten a hamburger and walked around the subway.
It was sociopathic, but it was demonic, and sociopaths can
do terrible things, you know. Ted Bundy was a sociopath
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and he did many horrible things. But I have no
doubt that he also had demons too, because.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Demons takee the.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Psychopathic way of behaving to an extreme that even the
most deranged mind would not do.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Let me go ahead and run my first break, and
then we'll come back and continue onward.
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Speaker 1 (28:44):
Cyl Welcome back to Midnight Fragrant Race Radio and our
guest Bob Larson. What's the longest exorcism you've taken part in?
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Is it hours, minutes, days.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Years, years, but that's rare. There have been some of
which have taken many hours. And when I do a
session with somebody, whether it's an hour or sometimes a
full day session, that often needs to be followed up
with additional hours or additional days. Because every individual is different.
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Some go deeper into darkness, deeper into evil than other people.
But the longest ones I've had have have had to
play out over a period of time, months, and in
some cases a couple of years. Now that doesn't mean
I'm seeking to, with God's help, doing exorcism on them
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every single day, but that does mean meeting with them
period boudically to further the spiritual progress of their lives.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
So people need to.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Get away from this Hollywood idea that an exorcism is
a single app performed at a moment in time and
it's conclusive in all states. That's not true. There are
many people. Anybody who really does exorcism will tell you
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some people need more than one. There are different levels
of devils, and sometimes you just strip off the first
level and then you find out if you talk with
the person a few days or weeks later, oh, another
whole level has risen up from inside them it was
down deeper in their psyche.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
As a person's friends, such as our family members, so
they play a part during the process.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
They often do.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
In fact, many of the people who believe that they
are possessed are.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Brought by a family member.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
A husband or wife, a parent bringing a teenager or
young adult.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
It's often the other people in the.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Family who see the behavior, and when I begin to
debrief them, the family members will start to tell me
about all these odd things they have seen the person do,
the voices that have spoken out of their bodies, and
sometimes physical, life threatening situations have taken place when these
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entities have come to the surface so that the other
individual or friend brings them to me.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Have we ever encountered any cases where the exorcism just
did not work.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Absolutely many cases it doesn't work at that time because
the person isn't ready for so for example, if there's
a combination of demons and mental illness, then the person
may need to get some therapy or may need to
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get some medication, because when they bring them to me initially,
they're just no mental state to undergo an exorcism and
no mental state to understand the importance of having a
good relationship with God. They can't comprehend it, so they're
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just not ready. And then other people are not ready
to give up their sin. So let's say that the
power of the demon is in their abuse of recreational drugs. Well,
I've had people say to me, no, I'm not going
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to quite smoke in my weed.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I want you to get rid about demons, but I'm
not giving up my weed.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
And I simply say to them, well, you know, I
really want to seek God's help to get this.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Evil out of your life. But the fact you keep
opening the.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Door through drugs and they're just going to keep coming back.
So that's that's a no win situation.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Some people believe exorcism is more psychological rather than spiritual.
How do you respond to these critics?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Ah, very easy. Those people have never been present in
a bonafide, honest to Gonner's real exorcism, or they wouldn't
make that kind of statement. And there's been there have
been many psychological studies and many psychologists who have looked
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into this and written books about it and talked about it,
so they've validated as well. But when you have a
genuine case of possession, a sense of evil, the things
that the demon says, what they are able to know
supernaturally that the person could not know. It can be
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any number of factors that makes it just indisputable. So
it can be psychological to a certain extent, because demons
work through the mind and emotions of a person. So
sometimes what's expressed is part aberration of the mind and
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the demon. But sometimes it is so real, it is
so evil, it is so intense and sometimes so violent
that everybody who knows that person will say, I've never
seen them like this, I've never seen them that this way.
This is not the person that I know.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Do you work with psychological and medical services and some
of your exorcisms, Well.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
We don't have a direct connection, but when I feel
that there is the necessity because our people come from
all over the country and all over the world, so
there's no way to have any on site or local
services I can direct them to. They've got to find
that on their own. But I will say to them sometimes,
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you know, I really think a lot of the things
you're describing to me from a physical standpoint are medical,
and I think, you know, have you seen a doctor,
have you talked to a doctor, have you talked to
a neurologist, and many times they'll say no, But sometimes
they'll say yes, I have, and they've said there's no
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reason I should be hearing what I'm hearing, here seeing
what I'm seeing, or have these feelings in my body.
And you know this, psychologists and the doctor, if they're necessary,
I'm happy to work hand and have with them, and
sometimes do. But when people are having any paranormal experiences,
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the doctor doesn't have much to say. If doors are
opening and closing and no one's there, if they're hearing
footsteps and more than one person is hearing it, if
there are orbs floating around the room, or if there
are footsteps in the hallway, etc. There's only so many
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of these things you can just explain away psychologically, but
the others sometimes they just cannot be explained away.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Do you feel that social media and popular culture such
as movies influence how people think about evans?
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Oh? Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
In fact, you know, most people who have an opinion
about another realm of existence, a supernatural realm, if you will,
don't get their construct of that from the Bible. They
don't get it from church. They get it from what
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they have seen in the media and the stories that
they've heard and what people tell. That's not all bad,
but sometimes you know, it's clickbait and people are just
going for the jugger with stuff that it's very dangerous
to embrace.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
And you know, there's there's people.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Come to me.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
They've had sex, sexpots that they've connected with and they've
created this this thing in their mind about a real
life affair, a real life sexual relationship with this lot,
and that can lead to demonic possession. There's there's there's
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an excellent example. I have a lot of people come
to me and this this the twin flame thing has
been so popular last few years, which is this psychical,
spiritual being who is your ultimate lover. You're the ultimate
person who meets all the needs and the desires of
your life and you're just waiting to meet this person.
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You know, people get into that and it becomes very diabolic.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Over the years. Have you worked with Kaden, Lorraine Warren
the Warrants.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I did have one contact with them at one point.
There was I forget what television show was was doing
an interview with them and me and I personally believe
they were meant them. I talked with them very nice people.
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But they had absolutely no biblical basis for any of
their conjectures. And I think they met well. But if
you're going to go into the realm of a diabolical
you have to have a clear Christian Biblical definition of
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what's going on, and they did not.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
They kind of played it by ear. I think I
agree with you. They were.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
They were they were They were trying to operate in
a supernatural realm without having a definition of the supernatural.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
In other words, if you don't have.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
A religious and spiritual context in which to put things,
then how are you going to get rid of it?
How are you going to dispel it? The Bible is
very clear. Jesus Christ power, his word, his authority is
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the only thing that makes an evil entity leave anybody alone.
There is no power under heaven or earth other than
Jesus Christ that will make a demon leave a person.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Have you never felt personally attacked or haunted after an exorcism?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
You know, I'm sure there have been times when curses
have been thrown at me and things have come my way,
but for the most.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Part, no.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
In fact, I just ignore that.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
You can't be an exors to an exorcism be effective
if you're looking over your shoulder all the time. Now
that means you have to really believe what you're doing
is in the will and purpose of God, and he
is calling you to do it, and he's sending you
to do it.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Now, I'm cautious.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I pray beforehand, I often pray afterwards, and pray against
the forces of darkness and for the protection of God
and the protection of any curses that may.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Come my way.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
But you have to live on that spiritual edge if
you're an exorcist, and you can't be worried about retaliation
from the devil because Christ is stronger. Otherwise, why would
you even become an exorcist?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Is there something you would like people to know about
the reality of evil?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Several things, But let me just off the cuff here
since I haven't heard any questions. They're great questions, excellent questions.
So I think the first thing is what the Bible says,
that the devil is sometimes change into an angel of light,
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and he doesn't always come in this scary, hideous form.
Sometimes he comes in ways that are very subtle, and
his biggest effort is to get people to believe either
there isn't a God, or that God doesn't have an
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active agency in the lives of people on a daily basis,
and so if he can get people to do that
through any belief system, whatever it may be.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
And you know, on the internet today.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
There's you know, everybody's got a stick, and everybody's trying
to sell you something, and everybody's got something, and some
of this stuff is not good.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
So the devil comes as an angel of light. He
will come to.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Heal you, who to make you feel better, to get
over some disease by going through some arcane metaphysical process
to get rid of it. And you think, well, is
that evil? Yes, yes, that's the first thing. And the
second thing I want them to know is avoid every
form of sorcery. Don't get messed up achs and fortune tellers, prognosticators,
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people who claim to be communicating with celestial beings that
are telling them these fantastical stories. Don't get messed up
in this stuff because there's a danger of getting a demon.
And then the other thing I want them to know
is that one of the biggest ways the demons enter
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is by severe trauma that people have been through. And please,
if you have been through some life changing trauma, some
horrible thing that has happened to you. And again, usually
as in this an area of physical abuse, or sexual abuse,
or mental or emotional abuse of some severe kind, whether
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it's been in the family structure or from another individual.
Please see a doctor, Please see a counselor, Please see
a priest or a pastor. Talk to them about what
you've been through, because this is one of the biggest
ways that demons get into people's lives because they harbor
these things inside and then they begin develop hatred and
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anger and rage, and that can build up within them
and it becomes a demon before they know it.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Have you had situations where you've had to perform exorcism
on children.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yes, but very very rarely.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
And I don't like to do it because you know,
I'm not a pediatrician and I don't fully understand and
I'm not studied the science of the mind of a
child and how it operates. Now, having said that, I
did have a man bring his case in point, bring
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his child to me, and he said, my son has demons.
And young man was like, I don't know, ten or eleven,
maybe twelve years of age at the and I was
a bit skeptical, and I said, well, you know no,
He said, he has demons. They speak out of his body.
They talk to me, and they tell me what their
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plans are to kill him and destroy him. And I thought, well,
how can you be so sure if you send him
to a doctor, And he said, he said, I am
a pediatrician. I am a doctor, and I know this
is not something which is medical, so we have to
be very careful.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
Now.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
I have seen children manifest demons. I remember one time
they brought a child to me and said he had demons,
and he got down at all fours and went around
the room barking like a dog and just saw horrible
evil things coming out of his mouth. Now that could
have been psychological, but the fact is that day I
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did do an exorcism on him, and he was cured,
and he changed, and he grew up. He now husband
and a father, and life was totally changed. But those
cases are rare and most I tell people, if you've
got to be an exorcist, make sure that you're working
with someone that's of age of consent, and that they
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are of a sound mind enough that you know you're
not going into an area you're not qualified.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
To go into how many people get messed up playing
with waggie boards.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
You know, out of all the things that people will
list as having been involved in, when I say have
you done anything in the occuldor witchcraft, the most common
answer is a whige your board. And it just seems
to be this ubiquitous thing in culture. It's been around
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for years. And then there are various forms of it,
you know, various kinds of prognostication of getting yes and
no answers, like the pendulum and other things. But the wigiboard,
see is the one that And yes, I have done
countless who knows how many scores or hundreds of exorcisms
I've done on people who messed with the wigiboard, and
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they have said to me that plung sit that counter,
that thing that moves over the letters.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
It moved.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Nobody was touching it, nobody was tipping it. It moved,
and when we asked it who it was, it said
the devil or demons.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
It's at least truthful.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, Art had an experience with Aluigi board, and he
never would tell exactly what happened, but he told me
he'd never know, never let another one into his house
ever again.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Well, a lot of people have said the same thing,
and you know, it's like a parlor room game. It's
like a rite of passes for young people at least
try to do something like that. And I've had young
people who have who have made up their own version
of one. They didn't have one from Parker Brothers, so
they made up their own. And the outcome is the same.
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You're trying to get an answer from another realm, and
when you tap into that realm, if it's not prayer
to God, then it's the opening of yourself up to
something that is not from God.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Looking back over your achievements and contributions, what do you think? Conversely,
are there any aspects of your past work that you
would approach differently today?
Speaker 3 (48:41):
A lot of it, yes, But you have to understand
when I started out, there were a handful, literally a handful.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Of books on the subject.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
There was no Internet, and you just had to learn
by experience. Not always did you make the right diagnosis.
But I think the thing that I most missed was
the psychological component, which I did not really understand that
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until I begin to make a serious study of psychology
of how the human mind works and how tricky demons
are using the human mind. So I wish I had
known more about people's mental processes so that I could
tell what was a demon and what wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
How do you envision the future spiritual warfare?
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Well, it ain't going away.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
It ain't getting no better. Huh.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
It's not getting better. It's getting worse. And we have
social media in the Internet a lot to thank for this,
because what used to have to be something that people
would you find this book on block magic somewhere that
somebody had hidden away and read it and then try
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to cast spells and play with the wage you bored
and so on. But today, I mean, you know there's
electronic would you board there's an app that we'll just
give it to you instantly, So you mean have to
find a physical bord and you know it's just a
split second away on your cell phone, the portal to
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darkness if you want to go down that trail. And
some of it doesn't even pretend to be good. It
is openly satanic, it is openly diabolical. It wants to
call up evil spirits, it wants the power, and so
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that's not going to get better. It's going to get
worse with AI. Oh boy, the things that are happening
now of people I find that are communicating with discarned
evil entities through the guise of some EI bought or
some EI explanation of something. The devil is ingenious, and
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I think he has a lot more ideas that are
really going to do a number on society.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
However, there were more people like me than there have
ever been.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
So back when I started, there were a handful of
Protestant exorcies, and not many Catholic exorcists really took it seriously.
But then the Catholic Church formed a school of exorcism,
and they began to take it seriously, and they began
to train exorcist and then Pope John Paul I believe
it was said there should be an exorcist in every diocese,
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and so then there was this effort to make this
help available. And then people like myself felt the call
to do this. So whereas I was one among a
handful of people, if you roll back the clock back
when I was originally with our bell, now there are
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thousands of people all over the world and they're posting
stuff on YouTube, and the spirit realm is getting more
and more evil, but good is also increasing at the
same time where people are willing to say, you know,
God is more powerful, stay away from this stuff and
(52:35):
let me explain to you what God can do to
get you free from it.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
We're getting close to the top of the hour. Are
you working on any new projects or books?
Speaker 2 (52:46):
I am.
Speaker 3 (52:48):
I've got several books in the back of my head
that I'm working on, and we're looking to expand the
sixty courses of what we call Bob Larson University, which
is a video online any program. It's it's really people
go to Bob Larson dot orgil they'll learn all about it.
It's the most in depth, spiritual and impractical way of
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looking at this world. And we, you know, we just
want to keep adding to it. And that's my life's work,
to create a legacy where no generation has to fear
what the previous generation messed around with.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
If you don't mind, and I'll contact your assistant about this,
would you be interested in coming back in like July
of next year. I like to I like to present
some of your audio recordings of Exorcism that you've taken
parts in.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Yes, I'd love to do that, and I appreciate the
time tonight, and you've really done your homework. Some of
the best questions I've been asked in a long time,
very very very probing questions, and I'm glad to see
the subject is being taken souriously. I don't have all
the answers. Nobody really does but God. But if people
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will look to the Bible, they will see there are
basic warnings about getting involved in these types of things,
and you just have to go back to the ten Commandments.
You will have no other God before Me. And so
somebody makes a process or some psychical investigation into metaphysics,
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they're God.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
They're in trouble.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
But I agree with a lot of things you're saying.
I don't disagree with any of it, to be honest,
but I think it's important to get the information out
there and hopefully influence people that are listening in well.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Look forward to be back with you anytime. I appreciate
your very kind invitation, and we're in our ministry available
to help people in various kinds ways, both with personal
zoom sessions people do with me. We have more than
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a dozen associate ministers who also do what I do,
who have been highly trained. We have teams of people,
more than one hundred of them all over the globe.
They're probably no more than a day's drive away from
one of our trained teams that could help people.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
So it's just not me.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
There are other people out there who want to do
this and are very knowledgeable in it. So if people
are having some of these things happen to them and
the doctors don't have an answer, and your therapist doesn't
have an answer, Jesus has got an answer.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Amen to that. Well, sir, I will let you get
on with your evening, and like I say, once again,
it's been an honor to have you on the show,
and I look forward to having you back.
Speaker 3 (55:52):
Well, thank you so much, and I wish you well
on your new venture here and pray that you'll ope
a lot of eyes to a lot of different stuff
that's going out there in this strange.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
World will live in.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
It's definitely strange and getting the stranger.
Speaker 4 (56:07):
Sir, all right, thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (56:10):
All right, you have a good evening.
Speaker 7 (56:12):
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Speaker 8 (56:35):
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I'm Carl Richardson, and this is Midnight Freaking'sy Radio. Our
guest this evening is doctor Bob Larsen. Doctor Larson is
internationally recognized as the world's foremost expert on cults, the
occult and spiritual phenomenon. He has ministered in more than
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one hundred countries and appeared on may TV networks, and
in publications such as People, The New York Times, The
Washington Post, and The Los Angeles Times. Doctor Larson has
written thirty six books, translated into over a dozen languages.
His landmark works include Larson's Book of Spiritual Warfare, Larson's
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Book of Cults, and Larson's Book of World Religions and
Alternative Spirituality. His writings serve as standard reference text in
many colleges and seminaries. Other books include demon Proofing, Prayers,
Curse Breaking, Jezebel, Dealing with Demons, and Set Your Family Free.
For twenty years, doctor Larson has hosted the national syndicated
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radio talk show Talk with Bob Larsen, reaching millions across
North America. He later started in the reality TV series
The real exorcists, documenting his global ministries of deliverance. His
YouTube exorcism channel has nearly ten million viewers worldwide. Doctor
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more than one hundred cities, and leads Spiritual Freedom Church International,
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healing and Deliverance. A Center for Spiritual Freedom in Phoenix,
Arizona offers personal encounter sessions for emotional and spiritual restoration.
He also established Bob Larson's University, offering comprehensive online training
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in exorcism and deliverance ministry, Good England, Doctor Larson, Welcome
to Midnight Frequency Radio.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Thank you very much, very very happy to be here
with you.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I guess the first question I would want to ask
is what chain of events led you to the ministry
of exorcism.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well, with most people, it's a calling. It's not something
that you sign up for. There's a single seminary in
America that has a degree incism, and in general it's
not well accepted by many of the mainstream churches, although
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the Roman Catholic Church has a long multi century history
of acception, so it's not the sort of thing that
you check off if you're going to go to a
Bible college or a seminary. I didn't set out to
do what I do.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Well.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
What happened in the early part of my ministry, and
where we're all in the clock back over forty years here,
is that people would come to me with problems. I
would be speaking into church or some location and they
would approach me and spontaneously, out of nowhere, they would
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manifest demons. By that, I mean the demons would present
themselves and they would begin to speak out of the
person's body. And I had this happened to me on
numbers of occasions, and I thought, well, I don't know
of anybody else this is happening to, so I need
to find out about it. But there really were almost
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no books that you can read, very little information. There
wasn't on Internet you could turn to. There was no
AI to consult, so you were pretty much on your own,
and I was. But what had happened was a turning
point as a young man. I decided in my mid
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twenties to take off and see the world, and I
traveled to parts of the world that I've never seen before,
like India and Asia. In those parts of the world,
the supernatural is not poo pooed like it is in America.
It's just a natural part of people's lives. It's what
they do. They interact with spirits. They have peace spirits,
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they call forth spirits. They performed curses, rituals, all kinds
of ceremonies. Not a big deal. But I was in
Singapore and I witnessed a self mutilation ritual that was horrendous.
I've never seen anything like it myself, the way that
people would torture themselves. And when I asked what gave
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them the power to do this, they said, our gods
enter into us and give us the power. And what
was really interesting was that when this event happened where
they were overtaken by their gods, they would scream, they
would yell, they would fall on the floor, they would
writhe in agony, and they always denoted that to spirit possession.
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And so I had seen it there, it was just
a matter of time before I was to see it
in America.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
As your exorcism approach differ from the traditional Catholic.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Right, well, the Catholic right is excellent.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
This was developed many centuries ago, and it was put
down in a document called the Ritual romanom of the
Roman Catholic Ritual of Exorcism, and I've read it and
it's excellent. But it's very formulae and it's quite precise,
and a priest who is going to follow it has
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to go through a lot of steps that are very
doctrinaire and specific about Roman Catholic beliefs as well as
the Christian beliefs in general. But what I have found is,
even though it's got excellent terminology and excellent guidance and
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I've found it a good source of study, as a
practical matter, most exorcisms are a little bit more psychotherapeutic.
In other words, you're.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Really not just going through.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And reading something in Latin or translating it into English,
but you're dealing with the psyche of the person. They're feelings,
their emotions, and you know, in the Roman Catholic Ritual
of Exorcism there's really no place to stop and listen
to the stories of people, although good Catholic exorcists will
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do that, and much of what an exorcism is is
hearing the story of a person's life and the phenomenal
paranormal things that they have been through and then determining
whether or not that is the money.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Before you do an exorcism. Is there a particular way
that you prepare yourself mentally and spiritually.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well, you would think that there would be a process,
and really there isn't. I mean, there's a general process
of prayer, but I do that every day, preparing myself
for battle with the devil, and this part can or
point in time. Post COVID, what we have developed is
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a regular regimen of exorcisms all day long, every day,
both with people in person as well as virtually. And
about fifty percent of the people that I do exorcisms
on or outside of the United States and are talking
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to me by zoom. So you just prepare yourself in
general or spiritual battle through through prayers and study. But
there's really no way to anticipate what can happen if
somebody presents themselves with a demon.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Is it easy to determine whether a person has a
mental illness or demonic possession?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Actually it is if you're experienced, but most people are
not experienced. So for example the Roman Catholic Church, there
is in most cases the necessity of having a psychiatric
or psychological evaluation to make that determined before they start
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the exorcism. Many of the people who come to me
have had psyche valuations, they have spent years, sometimes in
psychological therapy, but it hasn't solved their problem. And that's
the person who comes to someone like me. They've gone
down that road, They've taken them meds. There's nothing wrong
(09:38):
with that if a person has mental illness, but there's
certain things that you watch for, and one of the
main things that I look for is the person's individual history.
In other words, is the mental illness that they claim
to have or somebody says they have, is it's something
(10:00):
that just happened out of nowhere. But the possessed person
usually has a history of things such as severe trauma,
often sexual abuse or violent physical abuse, or something that
has been very dramatically traumatic to them. And probably the
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biggest category is people who have dabbled in the occult
and witchcraft and gotten into various forms of satanism and
things which are very diabolic. And you will see that
they may have spent months or years sometimes pursuing from one, two, three,
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or four or five such things to I just was
working with a man Friday, whose list of diabolic things
ran to about forty or fifty that he had gotten
involved in, each one a step trying to find help
for the mental and emotional problems they had. But when
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somebody has a better illness, there there were things. So
for example, somebody comes to you and says, well, I
hear voices, and those voices are demons. Well, I don't
necessarily think they are demons. Many times people are psychomic
and they're delusional, and they do hear voices. But the
difference is a psychological part of the mind is not
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going to present itself as a specific identity with a
diabolic name and give you the details of Howard entered
into the person. That's a very different situation.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
But someone like that, I don't know if you remember
the exorcism of Analysa Nourice.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
De fact, can you repeat that to get I didn't
get the part of that first part of that.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
The exorcism performed on a A Lisa Nourice, the young lady.
Do you feel that that was a possession or did
she have a mental issues?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I think she had a possession. I don't think there's
any question about that. Okay, And you know the fact
is that it did not reach a completely successful conclusion.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
That's the tragedy of it.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And sometimes people wait too long before they come for help,
and so what's happened is the demon has so taken
them over that they hardly have any identity it left,
and oftentimes are very suicidal or a very self abusive
with conditions of Atarexi and so on, and almost unrecoverable
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at that point.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
When you were on in two thousand and one with Artbail,
y'all had discussed that the numbers of people being possessed
in larger cities had increased a great deal. Has it
still continued to increase in the larger cities.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Well, the fact is the increase since I talked with
a Great R. Bell some decades ago, a couple of
decades ago, it's exponentially increased. What I was seeing then
is the magnitude of today is so extreme. And part
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of that is because of the Internet. Of course, you know,
anybody can get on the Internet and claim to worship
some type of being that they call up from the
underworld and will give you all the desires of your life.
I mean, this stuff is all over the place there
have been. Last time, I checked forty billion hits on
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the which talk division of tik talk, and it's probably
over fifty billion now. It's been a couple months since
I check it out. It's billions of people who have
visited this site in which they are you how to
curse people. They show you how to call up spirits.
This didn't exist when I was talking to ours some
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years ago, so these developments have made it a lot
more work, a lot worse.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I tend to avoid TikTok and those formats. Are there
any common signs that someone might be under demonic influence?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Sure? There are, And.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
When I give you those signs, keep in mind that
any one of those signs could also be a psychological
problem or behavioral problem. It doesn't necessarily mean if they've
these signs are present, that it means have a deemon.
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But not just the signs, the personal life history. So
it does the person have a history of severe substance
abuse and they've tried all types of rehabilitation programs and
(15:32):
they have not been able to overcome it. Then you
find out that that substance abuse is rooted oftentimes with
sexual abuse, with physical abuse, emotional abuse, a severe abandonment
growing up, a loss of personal identity.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Those are the things that I'm looking for. Now.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
When I actually meet with a person after I've discovered
their history, then the signs that I'm looking for are
whether or not the person can maintain eye contact with me,
because I'm always looking for evil in their eyes. Jesus
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said the eyes the maror of the soul, And it
really is so. When you look in somebody's eyes, that's
where you see the real person. And when I am
doing an exorcism, I really fixate on the person's eyes
and I am waiting for that moment when I see
what I call that look. It's just it's once you've
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seen it, you never forget it. It is so otherworldly,
it is so evil. It is so intense that I've had,
you know, psychiatrists say to me, they've seen it. They
know what it is, and they know that it's not
something that that they've got a pill for. It's it's
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totally diabolical. It's totally evil. And then the signs that
I wait for is a voice going to speak out
of their body? And does that voice claim to be
a demon?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Do all demons have names.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
They yes, they all have names.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
How do you go about learning their names?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Well, the wrong way to go about it is to
get a bunch of occult books and start reading through them,
because there are demonology books that are not based in religion.
They're they're based in black magic and the occulture. So
they want to sub in these demons, and they will
list all of these names. But many of these dames
(17:45):
are Bible names, and they may represent the function of
what the demon does, like murder, or it could be
a classic name like some pagan god. Maybe they called
themselves Zeus or Thor or something like that. And then
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there are demons that represent the emotional state of the person,
and that is in the category of say anger or
self hate, and so they will go by those names.
(18:30):
But they may also go by a name, classical name
like Beelzebob or Lucifer or Mammon or something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But the name tells you a lot about what the
demon is trying to do to the host person.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Is there one particular exorcism that you'd done that was
difficult or dangerous more than any other that you had done.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
That's difficult to say, because now the quote that you
were giving in the early biography has now been long
since surpassed, and I'm now over fifty thousand documented cases
of exorcism, so it's hard to reach back. But you
tend to think of the ones that are the most violent,
(19:19):
and they stick in your mind because they're phenomenal. I mean,
you see things of a super human nature. And then
the ones that talk to you about historical events, and honestly,
(19:43):
it's amazing what these demons will claim. I've had demons
give exact dates in history, and there's no way the
person would know about this and would have been able
to put together some event that happened in sixteen forty three,
and the demon will tell you there was an ancestor who,
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let's say, killed somebody in a certain year and a
certain place in a certain country. Those are the things
that stick out in your mind. Most people want to know.
Have I seen supernatural things happen? Yes, but it's not common,
not as common as the movies portray it. What you
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do see are these demons who claim knowledge of events
in history and many occasions. I've gone back to the
history books and I've gone back to AI and found
out that what the demon claimed is actually something that
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happened that I didn't even know took.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Place in history.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yes, sir, I have a listener that sent a message
asking can you share where you've got your honorary doctrine.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Well, yes, I received an honorary doctorate as the result
of what had been accomplished over a lifetime and the
documents that I have written. I've written over fifty books.
I also originated the Bob Larson University, and that particular
(21:22):
institution is a theologically astute series of courses, not only
just dealing with exorcism, but the anthropological, the psychological, the epistemological,
the donico logical aspects of exorcism. So, in response to
(21:43):
having developed the university, the Board of Directors conferred that
upon me.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I have a question. Situations like recently the young lady
that was stabbed. I believe it was subway or a
bus by the gentleman. Just it was unreal situation. Someone
just to get up and attack someone like that. Is
it possible that the individual had possession?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Oh, of course that there's not the slightest doubt in
my mind that that was a demonic act and that
he was acting under the influence of demons. Now, it's
also highly probable that he had some severe mental illness
and some delusion that associated his thinking from what he
(22:36):
was actually doing, that he could not in a sociopathic
kind of way, fully comprehend the extent of his.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Actions and the way that it happened.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
And what we have been able to see of the
portions of the video that have been released to the media,
the coldness, the calculated nature which he did it, and
his actions afterwards showed that there was a complete disconnect
between the taking of a human life brutally and violently
(23:13):
and how he processed. That is, as if he had just,
you know, eaten a hamburger and walked around the subway.
It was sociopathic, but it was demonic, and sociopaths can
do terrible things, you know. Ted Bundy was a sociopath
(23:34):
and he did many horrible things. But I have no
doubt that he also had demons too, because.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Demons takee the.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Psychopathic way of behaving to an extreme that even the
most deranged mind would not do.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Let me go ahead and run my first break, and
then we'll come back and continue onward.
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Speaker 1 (28:44):
Cyl Welcome back to Midnight Fragrant Race Radio and our
guest Bob Larson. What's the longest exorcism you've taken part in?
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Is it hours, minutes, days.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Years, years, but that's rare. There have been some of
which have taken many hours. And when I do a
session with somebody, whether it's an hour or sometimes a
full day session, that often needs to be followed up
with additional hours or additional days. Because every individual is different.
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Some go deeper into darkness, deeper into evil than other people.
But the longest ones I've had have have had to
play out over a period of time, months, and in
some cases a couple of years. Now that doesn't mean
I'm seeking to, with God's help, doing exorcism on them
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every single day, but that does mean meeting with them
period boudically to further the spiritual progress of their lives.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
So people need to.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Get away from this Hollywood idea that an exorcism is
a single app performed at a moment in time and
it's conclusive in all states. That's not true. There are
many people. Anybody who really does exorcism will tell you
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some people need more than one. There are different levels
of devils, and sometimes you just strip off the first
level and then you find out if you talk with
the person a few days or weeks later, oh, another
whole level has risen up from inside them it was
down deeper in their psyche.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
As a person's friends, such as our family members, so
they play a part during the process.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
They often do.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
In fact, many of the people who believe that they
are possessed are.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Brought by a family member.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
A husband or wife, a parent bringing a teenager or
young adult.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
It's often the other people in the.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Family who see the behavior, and when I begin to
debrief them, the family members will start to tell me
about all these odd things they have seen the person do,
the voices that have spoken out of their bodies, and
sometimes physical, life threatening situations have taken place when these
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entities have come to the surface so that the other
individual or friend brings them to me.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Have we ever encountered any cases where the exorcism just
did not work.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Absolutely many cases it doesn't work at that time because
the person isn't ready for so for example, if there's
a combination of demons and mental illness, then the person
may need to get some therapy or may need to
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get some medication, because when they bring them to me initially,
they're just no mental state to undergo an exorcism and
no mental state to understand the importance of having a
good relationship with God. They can't comprehend it, so they're
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just not ready. And then other people are not ready
to give up their sin. So let's say that the
power of the demon is in their abuse of recreational drugs. Well,
I've had people say to me, no, I'm not going
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to quite smoke in my weed.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I want you to get rid about demons, but I'm
not giving up my weed.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
And I simply say to them, well, you know, I
really want to seek God's help to get this.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Evil out of your life. But the fact you keep
opening the.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Door through drugs and they're just going to keep coming back.
So that's that's a no win situation.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Some people believe exorcism is more psychological rather than spiritual.
How do you respond to these critics?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Ah, very easy. Those people have never been present in
a bonafide, honest to Gonner's real exorcism, or they wouldn't
make that kind of statement. And there's been there have
been many psychological studies and many psychologists who have looked
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into this and written books about it and talked about it,
so they've validated as well. But when you have a
genuine case of possession, a sense of evil, the things
that the demon says, what they are able to know
supernaturally that the person could not know. It can be
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any number of factors that makes it just indisputable. So
it can be psychological to a certain extent, because demons
work through the mind and emotions of a person. So
sometimes what's expressed is part aberration of the mind and
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the demon. But sometimes it is so real, it is
so evil, it is so intense and sometimes so violent
that everybody who knows that person will say, I've never
seen them like this, I've never seen them that this way.
This is not the person that I know.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Do you work with psychological and medical services and some
of your exorcisms, Well.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
We don't have a direct connection, but when I feel
that there is the necessity because our people come from
all over the country and all over the world, so
there's no way to have any on site or local
services I can direct them to. They've got to find
that on their own. But I will say to them sometimes,
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you know, I really think a lot of the things
you're describing to me from a physical standpoint are medical,
and I think, you know, have you seen a doctor,
have you talked to a doctor, have you talked to
a neurologist, and many times they'll say no, But sometimes
they'll say yes, I have, and they've said there's no
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reason I should be hearing what I'm hearing, here seeing
what I'm seeing, or have these feelings in my body.
And you know this, psychologists and the doctor, if they're necessary,
I'm happy to work hand and have with them, and
sometimes do. But when people are having any paranormal experiences,
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the doctor doesn't have much to say. If doors are
opening and closing and no one's there, if they're hearing
footsteps and more than one person is hearing it, if
there are orbs floating around the room, or if there
are footsteps in the hallway, etc. There's only so many
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of these things you can just explain away psychologically, but
the others sometimes they just cannot be explained away.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Do you feel that social media and popular culture such
as movies influence how people think about evans?
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Oh? Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
In fact, you know, most people who have an opinion
about another realm of existence, a supernatural realm, if you will,
don't get their construct of that from the Bible. They
don't get it from church. They get it from what
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they have seen in the media and the stories that
they've heard and what people tell. That's not all bad,
but sometimes you know, it's clickbait and people are just
going for the jugger with stuff that it's very dangerous
to embrace.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
And you know, there's there's people.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Come to me.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
They've had sex, sexpots that they've connected with and they've
created this this thing in their mind about a real
life affair, a real life sexual relationship with this lot,
and that can lead to demonic possession. There's there's there's
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an excellent example. I have a lot of people come
to me and this this the twin flame thing has
been so popular last few years, which is this psychical,
spiritual being who is your ultimate lover. You're the ultimate
person who meets all the needs and the desires of
your life and you're just waiting to meet this person.
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You know, people get into that and it becomes very diabolic.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Over the years. Have you worked with Kaden, Lorraine Warren
the Warrants.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I did have one contact with them at one point.
There was I forget what television show was was doing
an interview with them and me and I personally believe
they were meant them. I talked with them very nice people.
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But they had absolutely no biblical basis for any of
their conjectures. And I think they met well. But if
you're going to go into the realm of a diabolical
you have to have a clear Christian Biblical definition of
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what's going on, and they did not.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
They kind of played it by ear. I think I
agree with you. They were.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
They were they were They were trying to operate in
a supernatural realm without having a definition of the supernatural.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
In other words, if you don't have.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
A religious and spiritual context in which to put things,
then how are you going to get rid of it?
How are you going to dispel it? The Bible is
very clear. Jesus Christ power, his word, his authority is
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the only thing that makes an evil entity leave anybody alone.
There is no power under heaven or earth other than
Jesus Christ that will make a demon leave a person.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Have you never felt personally attacked or haunted after an exorcism?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
You know, I'm sure there have been times when curses
have been thrown at me and things have come my way,
but for the most.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Part, no.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
In fact, I just ignore that.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
You can't be an exors to an exorcism be effective
if you're looking over your shoulder all the time. Now
that means you have to really believe what you're doing
is in the will and purpose of God, and he
is calling you to do it, and he's sending you
to do it.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Now, I'm cautious.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I pray beforehand, I often pray afterwards, and pray against
the forces of darkness and for the protection of God
and the protection of any curses that may.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Come my way.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
But you have to live on that spiritual edge if
you're an exorcist, and you can't be worried about retaliation
from the devil because Christ is stronger. Otherwise, why would
you even become an exorcist?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Is there something you would like people to know about
the reality of evil?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Several things, But let me just off the cuff here
since I haven't heard any questions. They're great questions, excellent questions.
So I think the first thing is what the Bible says,
that the devil is sometimes change into an angel of light,
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and he doesn't always come in this scary, hideous form.
Sometimes he comes in ways that are very subtle, and
his biggest effort is to get people to believe either
there isn't a God, or that God doesn't have an
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active agency in the lives of people on a daily basis,
and so if he can get people to do that
through any belief system, whatever it may be.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
And you know, on the internet today.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
There's you know, everybody's got a stick, and everybody's trying
to sell you something, and everybody's got something, and some
of this stuff is not good.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
So the devil comes as an angel of light. He
will come to.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Heal you, who to make you feel better, to get
over some disease by going through some arcane metaphysical process
to get rid of it. And you think, well, is
that evil? Yes, yes, that's the first thing. And the
second thing I want them to know is avoid every
form of sorcery. Don't get messed up achs and fortune tellers, prognosticators,
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people who claim to be communicating with celestial beings that
are telling them these fantastical stories. Don't get messed up
in this stuff because there's a danger of getting a demon.
And then the other thing I want them to know
is that one of the biggest ways the demons enter
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is by severe trauma that people have been through. And please,
if you have been through some life changing trauma, some
horrible thing that has happened to you. And again, usually
as in this an area of physical abuse, or sexual abuse,
or mental or emotional abuse of some severe kind, whether
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it's been in the family structure or from another individual.
Please see a doctor, Please see a counselor, Please see
a priest or a pastor. Talk to them about what
you've been through, because this is one of the biggest
ways that demons get into people's lives because they harbor
these things inside and then they begin develop hatred and
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anger and rage, and that can build up within them
and it becomes a demon before they know it.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Have you had situations where you've had to perform exorcism
on children.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yes, but very very rarely.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
And I don't like to do it because you know,
I'm not a pediatrician and I don't fully understand and
I'm not studied the science of the mind of a
child and how it operates. Now, having said that, I
did have a man bring his case in point, bring
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his child to me, and he said, my son has demons.
And young man was like, I don't know, ten or eleven,
maybe twelve years of age at the and I was
a bit skeptical, and I said, well, you know no,
He said, he has demons. They speak out of his body.
They talk to me, and they tell me what their
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plans are to kill him and destroy him. And I thought, well,
how can you be so sure if you send him
to a doctor, And he said, he said, I am
a pediatrician. I am a doctor, and I know this
is not something which is medical, so we have to
be very careful.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
Now.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
I have seen children manifest demons. I remember one time
they brought a child to me and said he had demons,
and he got down at all fours and went around
the room barking like a dog and just saw horrible
evil things coming out of his mouth. Now that could
have been psychological, but the fact is that day I
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did do an exorcism on him, and he was cured,
and he changed, and he grew up. He now husband
and a father, and life was totally changed. But those
cases are rare and most I tell people, if you've
got to be an exorcist, make sure that you're working
with someone that's of age of consent, and that they
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are of a sound mind enough that you know you're
not going into an area you're not qualified.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
To go into how many people get messed up playing
with waggie boards.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
You know, out of all the things that people will
list as having been involved in, when I say have
you done anything in the occuldor witchcraft, the most common
answer is a whige your board. And it just seems
to be this ubiquitous thing in culture. It's been around
(46:51):
for years. And then there are various forms of it,
you know, various kinds of prognostication of getting yes and
no answers, like the pendulum and other things. But the wigiboard,
see is the one that And yes, I have done
countless who knows how many scores or hundreds of exorcisms
I've done on people who messed with the wigiboard, and
(47:12):
they have said to me that plung sit that counter,
that thing that moves over the letters.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
It moved.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Nobody was touching it, nobody was tipping it. It moved,
and when we asked it who it was, it said
the devil or demons.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
It's at least truthful.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, Art had an experience with Aluigi board, and he
never would tell exactly what happened, but he told me
he'd never know, never let another one into his house
ever again.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Well, a lot of people have said the same thing,
and you know, it's like a parlor room game. It's
like a rite of passes for young people at least
try to do something like that. And I've had young
people who have who have made up their own version
of one. They didn't have one from Parker Brothers, so
they made up their own. And the outcome is the same.
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You're trying to get an answer from another realm, and
when you tap into that realm, if it's not prayer
to God, then it's the opening of yourself up to
something that is not from God.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Looking back over your achievements and contributions, what do you think? Conversely,
are there any aspects of your past work that you
would approach differently today?
Speaker 3 (48:41):
A lot of it, yes, But you have to understand
when I started out, there were a handful, literally a handful.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Of books on the subject.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
There was no Internet, and you just had to learn
by experience. Not always did you make the right diagnosis.
But I think the thing that I most missed was
the psychological component, which I did not really understand that
(49:15):
until I begin to make a serious study of psychology
of how the human mind works and how tricky demons
are using the human mind. So I wish I had
known more about people's mental processes so that I could
tell what was a demon and what wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
How do you envision the future spiritual warfare?
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Well, it ain't going away.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
It ain't getting no better. Huh.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
It's not getting better. It's getting worse. And we have
social media in the Internet a lot to thank for this,
because what used to have to be something that people
would you find this book on block magic somewhere that
somebody had hidden away and read it and then try
(50:10):
to cast spells and play with the wage you bored
and so on. But today, I mean, you know there's
electronic would you board there's an app that we'll just
give it to you instantly, So you mean have to
find a physical bord and you know it's just a
split second away on your cell phone, the portal to
(50:33):
darkness if you want to go down that trail. And
some of it doesn't even pretend to be good. It
is openly satanic, it is openly diabolical. It wants to
call up evil spirits, it wants the power, and so
(50:54):
that's not going to get better. It's going to get
worse with AI. Oh boy, the things that are happening
now of people I find that are communicating with discarned
evil entities through the guise of some EI bought or
some EI explanation of something. The devil is ingenious, and
(51:19):
I think he has a lot more ideas that are
really going to do a number on society.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
However, there were more people like me than there have
ever been.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
So back when I started, there were a handful of
Protestant exorcies, and not many Catholic exorcists really took it seriously.
But then the Catholic Church formed a school of exorcism,
and they began to take it seriously, and they began
to train exorcist and then Pope John Paul I believe
it was said there should be an exorcist in every diocese,
(51:53):
and so then there was this effort to make this
help available. And then people like myself felt the call
to do this. So whereas I was one among a
handful of people, if you roll back the clock back
when I was originally with our bell, now there are
(52:13):
thousands of people all over the world and they're posting
stuff on YouTube, and the spirit realm is getting more
and more evil, but good is also increasing at the
same time where people are willing to say, you know,
God is more powerful, stay away from this stuff and
(52:35):
let me explain to you what God can do to
get you free from it.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
We're getting close to the top of the hour. Are
you working on any new projects or books?
Speaker 2 (52:46):
I am.
Speaker 3 (52:48):
I've got several books in the back of my head
that I'm working on, and we're looking to expand the
sixty courses of what we call Bob Larson University, which
is a video online any program. It's it's really people
go to Bob Larson dot orgil they'll learn all about it.
It's the most in depth, spiritual and impractical way of
(53:12):
looking at this world. And we, you know, we just
want to keep adding to it. And that's my life's work,
to create a legacy where no generation has to fear
what the previous generation messed around with.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
If you don't mind, and I'll contact your assistant about this,
would you be interested in coming back in like July
of next year. I like to I like to present
some of your audio recordings of Exorcism that you've taken
parts in.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Yes, I'd love to do that, and I appreciate the
time tonight, and you've really done your homework. Some of
the best questions I've been asked in a long time,
very very very probing questions, and I'm glad to see
the subject is being taken souriously. I don't have all
the answers. Nobody really does but God. But if people
(54:06):
will look to the Bible, they will see there are
basic warnings about getting involved in these types of things,
and you just have to go back to the ten Commandments.
You will have no other God before Me. And so
somebody makes a process or some psychical investigation into metaphysics,
(54:30):
they're God.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
They're in trouble.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
But I agree with a lot of things you're saying.
I don't disagree with any of it, to be honest,
but I think it's important to get the information out
there and hopefully influence people that are listening in well.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Look forward to be back with you anytime. I appreciate
your very kind invitation, and we're in our ministry available
to help people in various kinds ways, both with personal
zoom sessions people do with me. We have more than
(55:07):
a dozen associate ministers who also do what I do,
who have been highly trained. We have teams of people,
more than one hundred of them all over the globe.
They're probably no more than a day's drive away from
one of our trained teams that could help people.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
So it's just not me.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
There are other people out there who want to do
this and are very knowledgeable in it. So if people
are having some of these things happen to them and
the doctors don't have an answer, and your therapist doesn't
have an answer, Jesus has got an answer.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Amen to that. Well, sir, I will let you get
on with your evening, and like I say, once again,
it's been an honor to have you on the show,
and I look forward to having you back.
Speaker 3 (55:52):
Well, thank you so much, and I wish you well
on your new venture here and pray that you'll ope
a lot of eyes to a lot of different stuff
that's going out there in this strange.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
World will live in.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
It's definitely strange and getting the stranger.
Speaker 4 (56:07):
Sir, all right, thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (56:10):
All right, you have a good evening.
Speaker 7 (56:12):
Yes, thank you, bye bye.
Speaker 8 (56:35):
Good seeing me, Sie Foodie.
Speaker 5 (56:54):
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