Denny Sargent Saturday November 1st 2025

Topic: Magic

Denny Sargent is a writer, artist, and university instructor who has a master’s degree in history/intercultural communications. He has been involved in a number of esoteric traditions and groups, including Welsh Traditional Craft, CAW, CES, Voxas Rimotae, Voodoo Spiritual Temple, Shinto, and others. He has written for magazines and anthologies in the US and Japan, and has written books and articles on Paganism, Western Occultism, spells, folklore, magick, and tantra. Denny is the author of ten books and coauthor of two more, including Werewolf Magick, Werewolf Pack Magick, and The Book of Dog Magic. He is also Elder Guardian of the Horus Maat Lodge and has edited and written parts of two books for the organization. Website: https://dennysargentauthor.com/

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Episode Transcript

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On midnight frequency radio. We take flights from the Ozark
Foothills of northeast Arkansas. I'm Carl Richardson, and this has
midnight frequency radio. Our guest tonight is Denny Sargent. Mister
Sargent is a writer, artist, and university instructor who has
a master's degree in history and Intellectual Communications. He has

(01:34):
been involved in a number of esoteric traditions and groups,
including Walsh Tradition, Craft, caw Cees, Lexus from otoa Voodoo
spiritual temple, Shinto, and others. He has written for magazines
and anthologies in the US and Japan, and has written
books and articles on paganism, Western occultism, spells, folklore, magic

(01:59):
and tantra. Mister Sargek is the author of ten books
and co author of two more, including Werewolf Magic, Werewolf
Pack Magic, and the Book of Dog Magic. He is
the Elder Guardian of the Horace At Lodge and has
edited and written parts of two books for the organizations.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Thank you so much, looking forward to chatting.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
I'm glad I didn't have to read that by your life.
How did you first get interested in magic and shamanism?

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well, I'm going to separate the two because shamanism is
something different, but in terms of magic, I was initiated
when I was fourteen as a Welsh traditional witch. This
is in New York. I ended up hanging out with
a lot of different people, having a lot of wonderful people,

(02:53):
and sort of hovering around what was at that time.
And this is a long time ago. This is like
the nineteen seventies into the early eighties. There was a
book sort called Magical Child and that was sort of
the only occult bookstory in New York. So me and

(03:14):
my friends, we were all younger teenagers, and we were
all kind of punk rocker, crazy people and very very
interested in One of my friends, his name is Robert Carey.
He's passed away unfortunately, May he be blessed, and he
had like every single occult book that existed at that time.

(03:36):
It was very hard to find these books, like all
of Aleister Crowley's books and all of these witchcraft books
and all of these et cetera, et cetera. So I
ended up moving more and more to New York City
and hanging out with a friend of mine, Robert and
them back going back to school outside like the I

(03:59):
t had to take a train to Rye, New York
and then go to high school, which was like very
weird because it was all very whitebread and kind of
I don't know, it was just it was a very
rich area. And then and then as soon as I could,
I would take the train into New York and hang
out with my crazy wild friends. In New York is
a different ballgame. So I got into everything, and there's

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I could go on for hours about different different writers
like Crowley and Austin's Fair and witchcraft in general. I
was was involved in the Welsh traditional witchcraft tradition, so
I got into everything. We all were we were we

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were young, and we were like, hey, let's do this
and then let's go Then let's go watch uh, you know,
punk rock music in Central Park. So that was kind
of how I started. I grew up in the quote
unquote a k world.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
It was your biggest influence out of your meetings.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Other than my friends. Yeah, there were a few people,
unfortunately some of them, quite a few of them actually
were either gay or were connected or were connected with
people were gay. And this was this is when we
had no idea what was going on, and quite a

(05:28):
few of them died, Like I'd say about over a
third to a half of everybody I knew died. Many
of them were heterosexual people who just shared that space
with others and it was terrible. So that was that
was the hardest thing. But the people who ran it,
who were sort of focusing everything and who made it

(05:52):
sort of a gathering of all these people who are
into all kinds of different, you know, esoteric stuff, was
the people at the Magical Child. So Eddie Musiski was
one of them and Herman was the other. That was
the that was the occult story in New York. There

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wasn't anything else. Magic Child.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, how do you define magic compared to the mainstream.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Well, magic, it depends. Different people have different aspects on
how to view that. Nowadays, a large majority of people
write magic with a K at the end m A
G s K as opposed to people who do floor
floor show magic with M A G sc right. A

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lot of people, a lot of people are still connected
with Crowley. There. Crowley was a brilliant, brilliant man, and
he took all the interest seeing information about magic and
wrote it, wrote it together and made it more coherent

(07:08):
and spread a lot of his ideas. Now he passed
away before I was hanging out with my friends in
New York. But his work is extremely important. Whether people
like him or hate him, everything is in terms of
what is magic comes problem Probably for the most work

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comes out of people like him, and so so what
is what is what is magic? Every A lot of
people have different views. For example, the Golden Dawn is
very is a lot of different attitudes about what magic
is used and how many Golden Dawn people actually are

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involved in doing these rituals that that go back to
oh my goodness, I don't know, probably uh, right after
right before after World War two in England and other places.
So Crowley, see you wanted to know what magic was?

(08:19):
It's a very hard one to pin down. Different people
have different views, But is Crowley's general comment of what
that is. It's not a bad one. I'm not one
hundred percent follower of Crowley, but he was a brilliant man.
He had he was wonky and had things went left
and right, but he was by far the smartest person
who got involved in esoteric stuff. Whether you like or

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don't like his work, and he's The term he used
was magic is the art of causing. Magic is the
art of causing Let me see if I can get
exactly right causing love and will essentially, Yeah, I'm not

(09:03):
sure I'm getting the exact exact comment right again, So
I'll tell you what I'll find it. What is Crowley's
definition of magic?

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Crowley defined magic as the science an art of causing
change to occur in conformity with will.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
A little there is from Wikipedia. Did you catch that?

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (09:26):
You define magic as the science and art of causing
change to occur in conformity with will. In other words,
and a lot of people think of magic as this
rule of stuff. But what he's saying is magic is
the art and science of changing things, of making things

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change in conformity with will, meaning things like meditation, things
like focusing, things like pulling back and letting and letting,
letting the universe come to you. There's a lot of
people tend to get wrapped up in certain things. I'm

(10:08):
one of them. I mean, And then, and then what
happens is if I get angry about a job that
I that I didn't care about, and then all of
a sudden, I'm creating an entire negative reality. And most
people I know who work have moments where they they
basically don't like the way things are going in their world.

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And part of the answer to that is you need
to pull back. You need to you need to stop
stop waiting for the universe to come to you in
the way that makes it right for you. In other words,
for example, I just ended up in the hospital, and uh,
I was really furious because they were supposed to do

(10:53):
a surgery on me and they didn't, and I was
so angry that, I mean, I was like of creating
this entire negative view. And I finally calmed myself and settled.
And then and then what I found out later was
things were going to work out okay, and that they
wanted they actually wanted me to go to a different

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doctor for the surgery, which will happen in November. So
the calmer and more focused I became, everything in the
universe became better and calmer, and people started calling me
and saying, oh, yeah, we're setting you up for this surgery.

(11:36):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Oh yeah, yes, sir. So that's magic.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
And it's very hard to have this conversation with people
because people, including myself, get really wrapped up in what's
happening around them now and pulling yourself back and realizing
that you're in control of your experience and if you're angry,
then that's what you pull into your life. And if

(12:03):
you're super happy and you're you're you're on the on
the rise, like right now, I'm excited to do this, uh,
this this time with you, right And so if I
was irritated about it, then things would start to happen
in a negative way. I don't know how to explain it,
but the reality is that we create the reality around us.

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And I'm I'm involved in Buddhism, I'm involved in tantra,
and I'm involved in ceremonial magic and witchcraft and all
those things, and they all boil down to the same
thing you You manifest your world. You manifest it, no
one else does because people people will get into you know,

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will say, oh, my car didn't work, this and this
and this didn't work, and I'm really angry and I
don't like my job. You're making that happen. I mean,
I understand that some things are hard. It happens to
me a lot. But the trick then is to pull
everything back and stop complaining and stop you know, people

(13:06):
who complain endlessly are creating negative, negative, anger and upset feelings,
you know, and so better to start with. Okay, like
my job is I take my dog for a walk.
I was really upset the other day trick my dog
for a walk twice, and by the time I got home,
I was like calm, and I was like, okay, okay, okay,

(13:29):
I'm not gonna keep this negative, you know, volcano from
me because I'm upset about it, And then immediately got
a phone call saying, oh, we've set this up for you.
So I think everybody's had moments where they pull back,
they center themselves, and all of a sudden everything works out. Okay,

(13:52):
you know, yes, right, So that's magic. I mean, I
don't usually have this converse, but other people will have
different opinions about magic. But you you, you create the
world you want to be in as much as you can.
So okay, let's talk about something else. I'm battling now.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Okay. One of our listeners, Irene stated, what you do
is what you create, and you have to watch what
you create.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, I guess so that that's not bad. I like that.
I mean, I mean, if you if you if you're
talking about creating something that's negative, like I have to
be careful. Like all right, I'll give you a good example.
I tend to get most agro when I'm driving.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
O my God, and I swear and I.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Swear and I'm like yeah, and then that just it
just creates like a negative cloud. She's right. So I'm
trying to really trying very hard. I have an image
of Condeshi in my car and I keep looking at
it and he keeps give me a lot on I
you know, like like like if if I if I
start generating negative energy, then I'm going to make general

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negative energy. So I'm trying very very hard not to
That's that's kind of simple, but there it is.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, you've read in books on both the East and
Western mystical traditions. Do they compliment or contrast each other.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
I don't see them as really either either one. I mean, okay,
like like, like you haven't mentioned Shinto, but I did.
I wrote a book on Shinto, which is because I
lived in Japan for four years, and Shinto is a
completely that's animism, and we'll come back to that. But
Shinto is a very very different sort of magical view

(15:45):
of everything. Everyone in Japan believes in spirits, believe believes
in uh animals that can shape shift, people can shape shift.
They I lived there for four years. They're quite serious.
They believe that there are you know that there are
spirits in the lake and you have to be careful
because they can pull you under. So they have a

(16:06):
very different view of things. But but I've seen things
that that kind of makes sense to me, Like, Okay,
if everybody in in in Japan has these thoughts, then
those things manifest. I mean. So that's that's really old school,
and that that that's where we'll mention it about. We'll

(16:27):
mention about animism. But Western occultism is still is kind
of plunked down into Christianity or early Christianity or Roman
and Greek and Odinic h different different kinds of culture.

(16:51):
So so it depends on where what it depends on
what people buy into the bottom line is is that
I got very involved in Tantra. And Tantra's really ancient
because it's much older than anything that any religion that
exists out there except maybe Animism. And I got to

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spend a bunch of time in India and I really
loved it. I had gotten initiated by Shri Gurudev Da
da Jimahindernat and this was in nineteen eighty and I
got an amazing experience from the initiation because it's so ancient.
And the other thing is is that every virtually everyone

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in India, and there's a lot of people in India,
they run they basically are tantric or they basically are
tantric or believe in Tantra. And what they do is
they're teaching, you know, about Shiva and Shakhti and Kali
and all the different gods and goddesses. So I wish

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I could show you my altar because I have a large,
a large army alter. But Tantra is different from Hinduism
and when I traveled around India, everybody, everybody there is Hindu.
Very few were Tantra. In fact, they were a little
freaked out by me being a tantric. But they believed
in me because I had an image of my Guru

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and I had I was able to chant and all
these things. So they were a little put off by me,
which is kind of cool. I was fine with that,
but as a tantric. Okay, So let me go back
a minute. So, so Hinduism is like is like Christianity
or Islam. It's like a pyramid, okay, Like like people

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people are born into it often and that the people
who are like the sort of very powerful magical people, right,
they they are at the top of the pyramid. So
people go to temples and say praise to Ganesh or

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go to get some kind of magical uh, just like
you go to the mass, you know, or whatever. But
they go in for and they ask for different things,
like you know, maybe they want some money. So though,
like we just had a very big festival Duwale, which
is a festival of light and is focused a lot
on the goddess in India Trypurisndari or other goddesses and

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so I went to these temples, and I thought it
was very interesting because as as as with other religions,
people would go in and would throw some coins in,
and then the guru, the guy who's running the whole thing,
is the priest, and he's at the top and he
chants and we chant back and then and we do
this whole thing, and then he blesses us, and then

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we step up and get and get blessed, and we
get some prasad, which is food that's been blessed during
the ritual. So it's very similar to like know I've
been I've been to a Roman Catholic church. You know
where you get the you get the the host and
all these things. But but as a tan tric I
tan tricks don't. We're not at the top of the pyramid.

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We're in the We're in the center, meaning we do
we do what we will to do. We're all we've
all been focused intensely on this. So I'm when people
want me to do something for them, I do it
for them. I'll do it. I'll do a poosia or
a ritual for them. Say they need healing or they

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need something else, I'll pick. I'll figure out which deity
form works, et cetera. So, so that's the tantris more
or less, you're doing what you want to do, and
people come to you because they know, you know the
magic you're doing with with tantra. When I when I
call on Hanamanji or I call on Shiva or I

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call on Lakshmi for specific things, locks me brings money.
I mean, so people who have come to me who
were really desperate for some money, and I would do
a big, big ritual to locks me. So it's a
little bit different, you know. So so this is not
uncommon in the world. You know, there are people who

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do magic are either in the center, they don't. I
don't really need a guru to tell me what to do.
I mean, my guru passed away. So I'm I'm the
guru of a number of people because they come and
they want me to bless them and they want me
to empower them. But if you go into India and
you go into a big temple, then the guru is

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whoever's in the temple. Did that help at all?

Speaker 3 (21:42):
No, not at all, It's it's perfect. Oh good, Okay,
what's your latest book?

Speaker 1 (21:50):
My latest book is called feral magic. And underneath that
I wish I could show to you because it's gorgeous.
It has a wolf, it's it's a beautiful cover with
lots of different colors embedded in the in it, and
there's a how a wolf howling, and there's a crow

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above it, which is not uncommon crows. People don't realize this,
but crows and wolves work together. They it's everywhere. It's
really common. Wolves excuse me. Wolves are tracking. They're looking
for food, right, and crows will ride on their back

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or or or fly above them. And once the crow
see where, say an animal is, it'll let them know,
and often they ride on their back to that and
then the wolf kills it and eats it. Then they
share the food. So that's kind of the cover here.
It's feral magic. So it's this feral magic. Unleash your

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animal animals, excuse me, unleash your inner animal self, discover
the sacred power of animism. And then Denny Sergeant and
then it has a weird picture of me on the back.
So feral magic, it's it's a little bit different. Uh yeah,

(23:15):
there we go. Oh, thank you held spell it right?
If yeah, if E R F e r a L.
There we go.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
See it's a nice cover, right, Oh yeah, it's beautiful. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
So I mean I might as well just read what
you've got there, Find and home, home the innate spirit within,
discover your my glasses aren't working, rewind yourself, returned to
the ancient deeper ways of being. So let's see. What

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can I say? What do you want to know about
pharaoh magic?

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Uh? You can just scare us an overview of the
Book of pasteners that that could make them, like the
rest out in get a copy.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
This is my this is my new book, and I
mean I'm really excited about it. It's so the books
I did before this that were really important books were
Werewolf Pack Magic and Werewolf Magic, which is this is
a similar sort of idea in the ancient prehistoric times
and the ancient well not even just prehistoric, but in

(24:39):
ancient times there were a lot of There were a
lot of people, for example, like ancient Greeks and ancient
Romans and the Olderness they were constantly having these festivals
where they would turn into wolves. And if you're in

(25:00):
interested in and those sorts of things, is kind of intriguing.
So that was my first book that led me into that,
and I got very excited by it and spend a
lot of time out in the woods on a full
moon and trying to let my animal self out. So
feral magic is a little bit more open. I spent

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a lot of time studying about animism, which sort of
pulls me further and further away from from regular discussions
about esoteric things. And I went with feral magic because
people aren't true what pharoh means. They probably most people
think pharaoh means, you know, some kind of like rabid

(25:45):
dog or something, but that's not what it means. A
feral dog is a dog that escaped from being chained up.
So if I tell people I'm feral, it means I'm
no longer tied up to this culture, to this world,
to this country, to anything like. I'm not trying to

(26:08):
do anything bad. I just am not going to buy
into a lot of the stuff that is dumped on me.
So feral magic is about a way to free yourself
from the chaos of your life. And I have a
whole bunch of stuff in ear and how to do that.
But the bottom the bottom lines are very very simply.

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Number one, you need to get out into the woods
and where you are some lovely woods, and where I
am the beautiful trees and rainforests, and there's plenty of woods.
I mean, I can drive ten minutes and be in
the woods.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
So the more you pull your your your mental and
neurotic stuff from the world, we get sucked into that
it often has little to do with who we are.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
By getting out, by sort of peeling away all the
stuff that our culture has forced to wrap around you,
if you can sort of slide out of it in
the woods and then and then all of a sudden,
you are what we call unleashing your inner animal, Steff.
You don't have to think about what you're doing at work,

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or what you read about, or what you're upset about,
or what you saw on Facebook or whatever. So it's
pretty straightforward and pretty simple. And I'm going to end
up talking about shamanism as well. So I've run into
people who were shamans, and I've run into people who

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are animistic. Now, the term animistic, I'm guessing most people
don't know that word animism and animistic right. So, the
earliest religion that ever existed, it was about four hundred
years ago was animism. This is before there was anything else.

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And we know this because we find the cave paintings
by the chromagnet et cetera. And we also see we
also found tons of sort of occult things with bones
and crystals and things like that that they were they

(28:26):
were giving offerings and they were connecting with all the
spirits in the world. Now we still kind of do that,
I mean, you know, I mean, when, for example, the
other day, the sun came out and everybody just sort
of stood there and stared at the sun, you know,
and and and and we all we all honor the sun.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
We do.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
And some people say, oh, well, that's not religion. Yeah,
it kind of is. I mean, what what you feel
from your heart, what works for you you is religion,
which comes from the term re leggios, which means to relink.
Almost nobody knows what religion means. Relegio means to relink,

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I eat, reconnect, right, which kind of makes sense to me.
So feral magic is about getting out of the all
the rope that's tied you up, all the negative thoughts,
all the negative feelings, all the things that are making
you crazy, that are making you get angry about this

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or that, or you know, people have different views about
politics and this makes them angry, and that makes them angry.
That's like all of that has to go away. If
you go in the woods and you hang out with
the animals and the trees, and you breathe intensely and carefully,
and you shut down your brain, all of a sudden,

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you're exact where you should be and where people were
four hundred thousand years ago. You're calm, you're centered, and
all of a sudden, you can hear the animals and
the birds, and you can smell all the different trees.
And if you start paying attention to each tree and

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to each animal, all of a sudden, you're in a
completely different universe. So a lot of this book starts
off with this sort of thing of going into the
woods and focusing on your different the different parts of
your mind, you know, like like like breathing and listening
and smelling and touching. Like people, most people when they

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go walking in the woods, and I see them all
the time, they're talking to each other, they have iPods
in their ears, they have headphones on. They're not there.
Like if you're in nature and you want to be
part of nature and start to really reach out and
connect with like life, with what's real, with what's potent.

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And once you're able to do that, all of a sudden,
you can you can feel your entire life shifts, and
all of a sudden, it's not about you and your
job and your friends, it's not about all that. It's
about you know, you had the chance to be completely
free and open and just shut up and just open

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up to the all the animals and all the trees
and start to see everything. And when people do that,
because people I go hiking a lot, When people get
into that space, all of a sudden they see the chipmunks,
they see the different trees, they see the clouds as
they go over the mountains. You know, they see these

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things all of a sudden. They're part of that. So
that's one aspect of pharaoh magic. The other is that
feral magic connects with people who are interested. And again
this is connected with animism.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
People who are.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Involved in animism not only connected with the sun and
the moon and the stars and the eagles and all
these things and saw them as living beings. Right then
then they also started to interact with those like and
then you all you have to do. And I'm telling

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everybody right now who's walked to listen to this, go
online and look up the Lasco is the best, the
big cave, the cave areas that are filled with cave
paintings from hundreds of thousands of years ago, and you'll
see you'll see what they believed. So people say, people

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look at these and they just go right by them.
But if you think about these people, to them, they
did these, They did these these images of bison, or
of people who are half wolf and half men or
all these sorts of things. They were putting these things
on the wall was magic to them. They were putting

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it there. And then they were entering that, you know,
I mean, they were going into that. That was part
of what they were doing. One of the things we've
seen a lot is that there's several cave paintings where
there's a lot of for example, bison and deer and
whatnot painted on the on the wall. And that what
we've seen is there are there are holes in a

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lot of them. So what we're pretty sure, and we've
found a bunch of the a bunch of the spears
that they did this this whole thing was magic. They
would get together and they'd be like, look, we're going
to stop if we don't get some some you know, bison.
That's that's it. We're going to start. So this is

(34:06):
where the shamans are, the people who were who were
doing sort of going into deep trances and trying to
help this along. And we would do this and then
people there was another thing. We're pretty sure what they
did was a ritual where they would throw the spears
at these at these images, and in their mind killing,
killing the bison image was going to get them the

(34:29):
food they needed. And we we've seen this over and
over and over again. So I could keep going, obviously,
but I hope this gives some idea about pharaoh magic.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Oh yeah, good description. I like it here where I'm at.
You go out in the morning, you can hear the
wind blowing through the trees and the birds singing, the
squirrels barking at you. It's people need to yeah, take
the ear pods out, get back to nature.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
And stop talking. Oh my god, just stop talking. Americans
have a very big problem with being quiet.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Mean virtually every single one. When I go hiking, you
see the people who are really good hikers, and they don't.
They go by you and they say hi, and then
they're gone. And then you have people who are like,
yack yack, yack yack. Yet the birds are gone, the
animals are gone. They're not paying attention that they'll get
back to The cardinals say, well, that was boring. I

(35:29):
mean they are disconnected. And we for for hundreds of
thousands of years, we were very connected with everything. That's
how we got our food, that's how we got our water,
That's how we we got that. That became our religion,
that became our work to try to survive. The sun
was important, the moon was important. Nowadays, people don't you know.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
I understand.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yes, they're jogging, you know, listening to something God only knows.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
What, probably rap music.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, something I don't know. I'm like, it's very it's
very hard for me when I'm I'm like sitting on
a log in the middle of the woods and I'm
in such a perfect you know, I'm my ego is
like gone. I'm just sort of open and I'm one
with the with that, and then somebody comes jogging get
cho jogging down the path and and they're like going

(36:27):
and so you know what I told her, Yeah, I
got to talk to her again. And I'm just like, Okay,
that was it. That was my whole day. It was shattered.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah, that blew it right there. I'm going to go it.
I'm going to go into our first break and then
we'll be uh right back after.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Why not.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
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All right, welcome back to Midnight Frequency Radio and our
guest Denny Sargeant. Mister sergeant, you'd like to cover the
topic of animism.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yes, I would. So people can argue all they like,
but the reality is, and almost everybody is, especially nowadays,
everybody's starting by saying, look, you can talk about all
the religions you like. That's fine, but we know for
a fact that the earliest religion was animism. Now what

(42:20):
does animism mean. Animism means that everything is alive. And
if you go to countries like I have, where animism
is open, like lots and lots of places, they'll say,
oh yeah, the spirits of the grass, the spirits of

(42:44):
the rice, the spirits, the animal spirits, the bird spirits.
When we need something, we call on the buffalo spirits.
So it's not so different from any other religion. I mean,
people get wound up by their own you know, religious focus.
But the reality is that. And actually I've talked to

(43:07):
Catholics who are not against that that basically everything is alive.
And if we start with that very simple idea that
everything is alive, then then then all of a sudden,
the whole universe opens up. So animism sort of opens
up to finding ways to connect with first animals and

(43:35):
animal spirits and physical things. And I'm writing, I'm starting
to write a book now about about things like this.
So there is a giant volcano in different This one
is in just a second, New Zealand, and I can't

(44:01):
find the name of the title. But so the people
in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
To Land of the Long White Cloud.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
The answer is from Wikipedia. Thank you, thank you. That
worked out. So there is this massive volcano there and
the people, the people who are there are native people,
and for hundreds of years they've been asking to make

(44:32):
the island, excuse me, the volcano a sacred human being.
Last year that happened the New Zealand politicians. Finally, after

(44:52):
a lot of lot, a lot of work, they have
made that island officially a human Now this sounds really
nuts to everybody who's not an animist. So but there
are hundreds of places around the world, for example, like

(45:13):
Grand Canyon is one of them that is considered a
sacred living being. So this this gets really hard for
most people, especially most Western people to comprehend and understand, like,
how can a mountain be a person? How can a
mountain be a living being? Well, this is just the reality.

(45:36):
And it's not so much what we think and what
we want, it's what do you feel, like how do
you react with that? I live in Washington State, so
we have a couple of really good, amazing mountains here
what is called called Mount Tahoma. It's actually technically should

(45:59):
be taught but we call it, but everybody else calls
it mountaineer, which is sort of the Western way of
looking at it, and it has us a little puff
of smoke over the top because it's a live volcano.
But for all the Native peoples in this area, that
is an incredibly sacred place and it's been it's been

(46:20):
sort of given to them as a crucial part of
their lives. So there are there are a bunch of
native tribes who more or less have some say over
where people can go and can't go. Because some of
that some of the people in that mountain are powerful.
So the bottom line is that that animism is about

(46:45):
if you go into nature and you see you know,
you see birds, and you see animals, Okay, they're alive,
and you can start to see them as important beings.
But you can also look at a tree and as
it waves and as it sort of you know, it
sort of shows and emanates this incredible feeling. You know,

(47:09):
leaning against the tree and closing your eyes and breathing
deeply for ten minutes, you will feel the tree. You
will connect with the tree. And the problem is, especially Americans,
are like, oh, that's not true. That's a bunch of crap.
And here's the thing. If you believe that's not real,

(47:30):
then it's not real for you. But the reality is
that for thousands of years, for all the people who
lived in the woods near where I am, for thousands
of years, from various tribes, they all believe that these
animals and these and these trees and these places and
these rivers are sacred, and that they they by having

(47:52):
by seeing them and connecting with them as powerful experiences,
that brings you into connection with those things. When you
jump in the ocean, everyone who get jumps to the
ocean has a moment, has a very religious moment. And
if you do that, if you push that just a

(48:15):
little bit further and open up to the ocean as
being a sacred, incredibly sacred, vast thing that has been
around for hundreds of thousands of years and it has
just sort of been moving and growing, you know, the gaya.
Our planet has been running just fine without any human beings,

(48:37):
before human beings were here. So you jump into the
ocean and you go, you lie, you lie quietly, and
you breathe, and you and you just sort of open
to it. You will have astounding reflections. If you don't
believe that's possible, then it's not going to happen for you.
I mean, magic is about you making decisions on what

(49:00):
you are opening up to the universe and to the world.
And people are unfortunately, so many people have been trained
by their school, by their religion, by this, by that,
by the other thing that in their mind they know
that X Y and Z is real and X y
and Z is not real, you know, like, oh no, trees,

(49:24):
trees aren't living beings or something like that. But a
vast number of people in the world believe that trees
are powerful beings and have powerful energy. My favorite, my
favorite image of that was I was hiking in Japan
and it was this huge, weird, sort of almost spaghetti

(49:46):
like tree. It was very old, like, I don't know,
a thousand years old, and it was called the octopus tree,
and everybody was kind of like staring at it and
had a sign in Japanese that said they essentially don't
mess around with the octopus tree because it moves and

(50:06):
so you know, and there's not a single person who's
walking there who thinks that's weird or crazy, because a
lot of people in the world, and even people who
think that things are A, B and C things are,
Things shift in life, things are. We have different views

(50:28):
and different opinions. And you can go walking and lying
down in a field and all of a sudden you
feel you feel something's watching you, and you sit up
and there's a rabbit and you have that moment of
you and the rabbit and the rabbit and you, and
there's a connection there. There's a connection that most people

(50:53):
will turn it away, but if you're in that sort
of open mind you and feel that connection. I mean,
I have a dog, I wake up and I hear
it I hear something or something. My dog is right
there with me, you know, I or I haven't. I mean,

(51:14):
I can go on and on, but I'm I've spent
a lot of time being open to what's around me.
And there are times when I've paused and all of
a sudden I hear the hawk.

Speaker 9 (51:28):
For it.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Otherwise I just would keep walking and not hear it.
So you get to decide how much of the universe
is you're a part of. If you're going to be
just a normal Westerner who walks and YACs and puts
on headphones and and you know, has a very clear
idea like oh, this is this is this is what's real.

(51:50):
This is not what's real, you know, you know, and
so and different people have different religious views, and they're like, oh,
this is good, this is bad, there's evil, there is good,
so all these things. But if you if you can
just sort of push it to the side a little
bit and just just go into nature. And my book
has very clear ways of doing that, of going into

(52:12):
nature and opening up your your inner self, your animal self.
So I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna add one more
thing and then I'll open it up So one of
the key things that's really important to me and has
been for many years, is unleashing your animal self. Now
what does that mean. Well, first of all, a lot
of people don't like the term because they don't like

(52:34):
to think, oh, I'm an animal. Let me tell you something,
You're an animal. I don't care what you think. I
don't care what you think. You're an animal. You can
have a different opinion about it. But but literally that
all all human beings evolved from single cells. Now if
though there's those who have different opinions about that, but

(52:55):
we all are animals. And for example, I I I'm
eighty nine percent DNA a wolf, right and close to
ninety six point five percent a gorilla. All right, So, Okay,

(53:15):
people don't want to hear this. I understand it. They
think we've been sort of told that we're above all
things and that the animals are not important, and that
we run the universe and all these sorts of things.
But I don't buy it. I don't buy it. I
go out in the woods and I'm just like I'm

(53:38):
just looking up and I'm like, okay, come and say hi,
and I have animals come in and sit next to
me or they fly by me or whatever. I'm not
trying to claim anything. I'm not trying to believe anything deeply.
I just want to be part of this amazing world

(54:00):
we live in. And so many people don't want to
do that. It's sad because if you think that there's
this web around you that protects you from all these
sorts of things, then that's where you're going to be
in every country I've been to, and I've been to
a lot of countries, you know, I've been. I've been

(54:23):
to you know, Shinto traditions and Buddhist traditions and Tantry
traditions and religion, all kinds of religious traditions all over
the world. And most people believe, you know, what they
believe is what they believe, and that's the right way
to believe. And that's that's fine. Everybody can do what
they want. But if you kind of push that to

(54:43):
a side for a while and get out in nature
and say, look, it doesn't matter where you're from or
what you believe, there's nature surrounds us. Without Without nature,
we wouldn't exist. The only reason we survived for two
for four, for more one hundred thousand years was by
hunting animals and finding animals, and by getting wolves to

(55:07):
join us and actually go hunting with us, because we
would have died if we hadn't found wolves that would
be willing to help us and work with us. All
of this stuff is real. You have to do is
look it up. So I just I don't have any
bones to pick with anybody. I just want to say, look,

(55:27):
do you want to be happy? You know, do you
want to be happy with your life? Do you want
to open up and connect with how amazing and fantastic
the world is? Then you want to sort of read
about Well, yep, you got a bunch of stuff in
my book. There's a lot of stuff in my book
about spirit animals, animal spirits, that is, there's a lot

(55:51):
of There's a lot more things to talk about, but
I won't go deep into it. I think some people
are probably thinking I'm crazy anyway, now the books.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
So what did you say? No, I don't think you're crazy,
and I don't think my listeners think you are either.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
So well, I don't think you think I am. But
there's probably other people. I'm quite sure, But that's fine.
I you know, I spent a lot of time with
my Hammock.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
I live about three miles from an Arkansas State park,
and you see people go there on the weekend and
they bring their boom boxes and they get a oh
my god, a picnic table, and they don't realize that
there's half a dozen squirrels around them that they could
be watching. There's woodpeckers in the trees, you know, the

(56:44):
birds singing, and they just they're totally disconnected from the
nature itself.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Yes, yes, especially Americans are. We're just a lot of
them are disconnected. I mean, I mean especially now nowadays
because everything is iPods, everything is is you know, the
things you put on your head. Everybody's looking at their
cell phone when they're walking. I've seen in my neighborhood.
I see people like almost get get hit by cars

(57:11):
like half a dozen times because they're busy trying to
look at their cell phone while they're walking. I mean,
I just want to sit next to sit in front
of them and say stop, like, first of all, you're
going to die. Second of but you're not paying attention
to what a beautiful day it is. Like put it
in your pocket and give yourself twenty minutes a break,
you know. But this is how we are, we become

(57:34):
that way. So yeah, that's why I have a I
have a really good friend. I haven't been for a while,
but we do a lot of hiking and we don't
neither of us carry any of that stuff. But it's
very funny. When we're walking up the hill, there's there's
there's like a gaggle of people like laughing and a

(57:54):
talking about you know, high school or whatever, and you know,
I just want to I just want to throw them
off the mouse. I can't do that. That's illegal, that's wrong.
I'm not going to do that. But I mean, like
it would be lovely if there was sciences. Say, could
everybody just shut the blank up and just pay attention.
We're in the middle of this gorgeous, gorgeous area surrounded

(58:20):
by mountains. I mean, Northwest has gorgeous, huge monster mountains
and rivers and lakes and like what like instead of yacking, like,
take the twenty minutes and absorb this. But people are
going to be people. So that's just how it is.
So I'm not sure if I have much more to
say that I can say one last final thing about animism,

(58:42):
which is animism comes from from uh, excuse me, what
do I want to say? Shinto is one, but anyway
and animism goes all the way back. We'll just use
the American term animism because all the way back. And
this is probably the first quote unquote religious or shamanic,

(59:06):
I don't know how to say it, way of way
of functioning, way of being that ever existed. And there's
still shamans I got. I was very lucky I was
able to hang out with with shamans, serious shamans, not
fake you know, you know Western American shamans. These were
the first people I hung out with were from the Nanidoro.

(59:28):
They were from the ol Chi tribe in Siberia, and
they came to Washington, to Western Washington University to present
and we're some of the most powerful, amazing people I've
ever gotten to hang out with. And I learned a
lot from them. But they basically say say the same thing, like,
everything is alive. If you just start with that, you

(59:51):
start with that every morning, no matter how you know,
Oh my god, I have to do this, I have
to do that. Oh my god, I need to do this.
Oh no, the floor needs you just stop and say, look,
everything's alive. You're alive. Everything's alive. It's all good. Let's
you know, at some point we won't be alive, so
let's enjoy where we are and connect with where we are. Definitely, yeah, yeah,

(01:00:14):
And so I hung out with them, and I hung
out with some shamans from Guatemala. I was in the
rainforest and the guy, the guy figured out it was
very funny because he looked at me, and I looked
at him, and he looked at me very intensely. And
I looked at him very intensely, and I said, are

(01:00:35):
you a shaman? And he like bolted upright, and then
he got Then he leaned towards me. He goes, oh,
you are too, And I said, no, not exactly, but
I nailed you, you know. So so then he goes, hey,
do you and your wife want to let's why don't
we skip all this tourist stuff. Do you want to

(01:00:58):
go up into the into the jungles and meet a
bunch of bunch of shamans. And I said, oh, absolutely,
So that I got to hang out in some a
couple of rituals that were so intense and so wild
you can't believe it. Without going into a long story.
They had a stand in a certain place, like like

(01:01:19):
twelve other Shamans showed up and their white and their white,
their white clothes, and they were all of course, they
were chanting in actually in uh, I'm trying to remember
exactly what it is. It's not Mixican, it's uh, it's
before that. It's I don't remember now. But they're chanting

(01:01:42):
and doing all this stuff, and everything's in the whole
room starts to get crazy, starts to get weird. It's
like it's like everything starts shaking and it feels it
feels like you're tripping or something. And they build it
up to a frenzy that this this chanting, and all

(01:02:03):
of a sudden they ended, and this massive windstorm came
up in this house, in this large house, going around
and around and around and almost blowing everybody over. I
am not making this up. There was no and it
was a sunny day, okay. And so it's going around

(01:02:25):
and around and we're standing there, me and my my,
my ex, and we're looking at each other and we're like,
oh my, oh my god. So and then all of
a sudden they did they end the whole thing, and
like boom, it stops. And then they come over and
do this final ritual to us, to bless us. And
that was the end of it. And I don't think

(01:02:45):
I've ever been so shocked in my entire life. So
I also hung out with some Shamas in Japan and
I got I saw them do doing amazing things that
people didn't believe were real. I went to a big festival.
It was a festival, was a ritual where they were
chanting pre Shinto language which I'd never heard before, and

(01:03:09):
and a bunch of pipes that aren't weren't anything like
I'd ever heard before. And the priest Uh is standing
there and he's doing this whole thing. Is that that
particular shrine that had a goddess to it, I'm not
I don't remember if it was amatarasu Omi Kami or what.
And he raises his hand and all of a sudden,

(01:03:30):
he creates this whirlwind around the whole temple, and then
he and everybody's chanting and the music is going, and
I'm standing there with my mouth open and thinking, okay,
I want to learn how to do that. And I
meant it all collapsed, that it ended, and I went
up and shook his hand, and he had a long conversation.
So those are that those are the animus. I mean,

(01:03:53):
that's some some examples of shamanic animus there are. There
are a lot of people who claim they are, but honestly,
you have to be in other countries, I believe, So,
I don't know if that does any Do you have
any questions about that or.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Oh no, sir, I think you've covered it pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Yeah, I'm one of those people.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
I need to do my second break. Can you go
for a little while longer after it will come back
and kind of close out? Sure, all right, thank you, sir, No.

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Problem, it was long.

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Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Sun. All right, welcome back to midnight Frequency Radio and
our guests, any sergeant, I'll take any questions for the
guests in chat. But while we're moving on, do you
think the mainstream culture is starting to become more open
to esoteric traditions?

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Ah, that's a very good point of view. I think
a lot depends on where. I mean, for good or ill.
Our country is broken up and different places people have
different extreme feelings about things. So in where I live

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in Washington, there's not a lot of you know, there
are there are you know, all kinds of people, and
there are you know, Muslim and Christian and Catholic. I mean,
there's that here, but it's not so intense. And there's
a lot of people who are very focused on nature

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and about connecting directly with nature in the world. So
I think it depends on where different people, for good
or ill, people are often raised in a certain way,
and that often is the end of that. Because I
have a lot of friends who are all kinds of

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different types of friends, all kinds of different kinds of religion,
and you know, they they have they have very they
have very clear views that their point of view is
the right point of view, and they get into arguments
constantly about this, that or the other thing. I mean,
I understand, I can understand that different people have different opinions.

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I traveled in Saudi Arabia, if you can believe it.
I've traveled all over I've hung up with, you know,
Thai people and Buddhists and everything. I mean, I've met
a lot of people, Catholic everything, and I'm just jim
my general attitude as well. If that works for you,
that's wonderful good. So I don't know. I really don't know.

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Especially right now. Things are very violent now and and
and kind of crazy. So I don't know. I'm hoping
for the best. We those of us who live here Washington, Oregon,
in cal parts of northern California, we kind of suspect

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that it's going to break up and that we're going
to have our own, our own world. But I don't know.
We all have a different we have a different view,
a much more open view than other places I've been.
So I don't know. My mom's from Texas. I have
friends in Florida. I have friends everywhere, and I get

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along with everybody. But things are getting they're getting more hostile,
and I don't know what to say about that. I
try very hard not to have any negativity with anybody,
but I'm a little, a little worried. I'm sorry. I

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didn't mean to get all like down.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
No. I mean, eve, when you're sitting at a doctor's office,
I stay if someone wants to have a discussion, I
stay away from politics and religion.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Yeah, and that's fine, and so do I. To be
honest with you, I get along with pretty much everybody
so anyway. But I like to talk about the things
I write because I think it would make some people happier,
you know, regardless of what your belief system is or
what you do this or that. Put leaving everything at

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home and going into the woods or to the beach
or wherever, and just finding a way to connect yourself
directly with nature. I think it's like the best thing
you could possibly do. I really do. Just very upset
about something that long ago, and I just went driving
into the woods and screeched and got out and started walking,
and ten minutes later I was fine. I was just

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breathing and looking and touching the trees and so I
don't know. I just want everybody to be happy. That's
pretty much where I'm at.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Yeah, I hope things get better, but I've got the
feeling that things will get worse before the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
N Well, I'll say the positive side of that. Yes,
I think you're right. But if you're in a if
you're in a place like where you are, you can
get out to the woods easily, right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
I can walk out my front door right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Right, and I can drive literally down the hill. And
I'm at one of the biggest lakes in the country
where I can drive over here and be in the woods.
You know. I mean, I'm just very lucky, and not
everybody is that lucky. I mean, I used to live
in New York, where, you know, finding real nature was hard.
But when I'm upset, I find nature and go walking.

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And I'm sure you did the same thing. And having
a dog is really helpful.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
Well, yah, one of the guest stass. Have you climbed
Mount Fuji?

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
I did. I did, and I did not die, but
almost because I got almost to the very very top
and a massive hurricane hit us. Oh boy, Because because
you actually have to as you climb, you have to
stop and spend the night like three different places. It's
a big hike up. And yeah, it was really creepy.

Speaker 12 (01:15:22):
When when the when the the big thing hit and
the whole wooden thing was shaking and anyway, but yes,
I did climb to Mount Food.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
It was a sacred It was a sacred thing to do.
And I've been to I was good friends with a
lot of Japanese and I went to a lot of
their their shrines and a lot of I met the
priest of all Shinto, which is really a big deal.
He's like the pope in Japan. And I had to

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wait six months to meet to get ten minutes with him,
but he finally met me and I got to ask
him something which was good. And the one line that
I remember very well. I asked, was you use the
word kami okay in Japan Comi can mean lots of things.
People just assume it means God or spirit, but kami
can mean lots of different things. It's it's very very animisty.

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And I said, you know, what do you so? What
is this? What is a kami? What is the kami sama?
And he paused, and he was he was a clearly
very religious man because he had a moment and he
waited and then he said, and it just blew my mind.
He said, so he said, it's the art of everything.

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It's the art of everything. So and I was like,
what he said, You know, the the you know the God, God,
God's the spirits, they're all present and and so we
the best is simply to accept and connect with that.
So that was that kind of blew my mind. I

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have to say, but I don't know. I spent four
years in Japan, so I can go on about that.
But that's more than probably more than you want to hear.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
Yeah, go ahead. My dad was in the military and
we spent five and a half years in Hawaii, so
I was around a lot of different cultures and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Oh wow, I love Hawaii. And I actually met a
couple of Hawaiian priests who are very much shamanic people.
Yeah that's interesting. Good for you. I thought the people
who were quite serious about it were really powerful, amazing people,

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and I got to see some of those things. Yeah
that's great. Wow. How long did you spend in Hawaii?

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
He did two tours of duty, so five and a
half years total.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Nice, Hawaii is like the best. I mean, I hope
it was the best for us.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, my memories. Most of my memories are
of that, and I still have friends there. Now, nice,
do you go stay with him? And now, matter of fact,
the last time I was in Hawaii was twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Oh hey, I'll stay with him. Yeah. I haven't been
no wife for a while and I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Yeah. One of my friends I love Hey, uh, one
of my friends over there. He goes by a photo
of Kawaii and he does videos of Hawaii on here toobe.
So you might look him up sometime. Oh that would
be nice. He's listening tonight, so, oh that's wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Well, may he be blessed, you know, because I tell
you I had some very major animistic experiences with the
big the big volcano there, and anyway I had. I
had some really powerful feelings there, and I met a

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lot of people who it's just weird. If you're open
to things, people people will often stop and chat with
you and then take you to places. And I've gotten
better and better at that. And in Hawaii they're like, hey,
we want to show you this sacred place. Come on.
I never would have found it, you know. I was like, Wow,

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that's amazing, you know. Anyway, Yeah, Hawaii is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
I know it's getting late, and I wanted to ask,
do you have any new projects in the works.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Actually, I believe, and I'm waiting to find out. I'm
going to do something a secondary book to Pharaoh Magic,
and I'm not positive exactly how I'm going to title it.
But whereas Farroh Magic, it's mostly about trees and plants
and animals and all those sorts of things. I just
I told you earlier about the mountain in New Zealand

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that is now Aan being right, Yes, well I did
a dig on this, and all throughout the United States
there are different things rocks that are sacred and rivers
that are sacred, all these sorts of things. And then
and you can go around the world too. For example,

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in near Israel there there is a couple of rivers
that are sacred, and they're sacred to both the Muslims
and the Jews. So so there are these places that
I'm kind of obsessed with now, like mountains and and
you know, canyons and whatnot that have been most most

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often have been venerated by Native Americans and still are
being venerated by Native Americans. But it's kind of fascinating.
So I'm going to do a book on that, on
how like, how can we go to these mountains, you know,
like mountaineer and and like open up to a different
side of instead of taking pictures and go, oh, that's

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a nice mountain. The native people there believe that it
is a powerful entity. And if you climb up along
mount right near you believe it. And I cannot make
this strong enough. If you're up on that mountain and

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you think, oh, it's just a mountain, very soon you
realize that there's something very very powerful with that mountain.
Same with with shot What is it? I can't remember.
I want to say Shaksa, but that's not it. Mashasta.
Shasta is another big one. There's a bunch of mountains

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around here that are considered to be savored. But I
think it's best to try to actually go to these
places and connect directly and however it works for you,
and you'll come down off that mountain. Wow, that sounds
very biblical, doesn't it. You'll come down off that mountain

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and you'll be different, You'll be changed if you if
you took the time to meditate on it and sit
with it and et cetera. You'll you'll fight, you'll get
an incredible energy boost from the mountain because it's a
it's whether you want to believe it or not, it's
it's a living being. So that's that's my opinion, and

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I'm sticking with it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
So I stand with you on that. A lot of people,
I think just need to leave the boom boxes and
the ear pods and the oh iPhones. Get out. Yeah,
please please leave that crubble up.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
I went hiking not long ago this summer, and I
went We went way up, big, big hike, very tiresome.
My my knees were like shot. And we get up
to this gorgeous lake and there's this gorgeous mountain, and
all of a sudden, somebody turns on their their beat
box and I thought I was going to have to

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I almost ran after them, you know, just to like
throttle them. You know. It was the most depressing thing ever.
It was like the most gorgeous. If I showed you
a picture, you'd say, that is a stunning lake and mountain,
and then they're over there playing some stupid crap.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
I believe me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Well, we're getting old. That's why I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
I guess. So do you like to get everyone your website?

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Sure, there are a couple of ways you can get
to it. The easiest one right now is farohmagic dot com,
which is f E R A L M A G
I c K dot com. Or you can just go
to my name which is which is Denny Sargent, author

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dot com. And I have tons of stuff there. I
have a lot of I just have a ton of
stuff there, like piles of stuff like articles and information
and whatnot and images of my book and all that
sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Well, sir, it's been an honor to have you on
the show, and I don't want to keep you all night, so.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Well, thank you, Carl. That was really a fun time
and you let me just ramble endlessly, which is frankly
what I like to do.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
So well that we worked out great, good, good.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
That's a good thing. I didn't get kicked off.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
All right. Well, I'll be in contact you about a
recording of this, and I wish you the best, have
a good evening.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Same to you. Thank you very very much, and have
a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful day and night and everything else.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Thank you, sir, and I hope to have you back
on again.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Sure I liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
I hope they liked it, and they seem to. They're
they're making lots of comments and chat.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
Oh okay, then we'll find out. Hey, take care and
have a wonderful, wonderful day or evening rather, I mean
take care of yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Thank you sir, and best to you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
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Speaker 9 (01:25:57):
Mm hmmm

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
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