Dr. Irena Scott June 27th 2026 With Guest Host Dr. J of Dr. J Radio Live

Guest Host Dr. J of Dr. J Radio Live

Guest: Dr. Irena Scott

Topic: The Pascagoula incident

Dr. Irena Scott received her Ph.D. from the College of Veterinary Medicine at the University of Missouri, did post-doctoral research at Cornell University, and has had a professorship at St. Bonaventure University. The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) employed her in Ph.D. level (GS-11) research in satellite photography including in the Air Order of Battle section of its Photographic Interpretation Office, which involved aircraft identification with above top-secret Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI), clearances. She was employed as a Physical Scientist/Cartographer in what is now the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency using satellite photography, and she worked at Battelle Memorial Institute. She has been sent for work-related purposes to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and has been in the secured areas including the Blue Room (NASIC) building. She was an astronomer at the Ohio State University Radio Observatory “Big Ear,” and was a correspondent for Popular Mechanics magazine. She has been on radio, TV, the MUFON Board of Directors, UFO panels, numerous podcasts, published best selling books and many magazine articles, and much more.

Website: https://irenascott.com/

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Okay, welcome back to a special episode of Midnight Frequency
Radio with Carl Richardson. I'm your host Doctor J from
Doctor J Radio Life, filling in for Carl Today. Today
with me, I have a very very special guest, someone
who I've interviewed on my own show, who I thought
you guys need to hear. We're talking about the Pasca
Gool events. So without further ado, let me introduce our guest,

(00:57):
the one and only doctor Irena Scott. Doctor Scott, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Thank you very much for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Oh, it's a pleasure. And if you recall the last
time we did it on my channel, it wasn't enough
time because there's so much information you have in your book,
and I guarantee at the end of this hour, people
who are listening are going to be asking for more.
Let's go back in time. Were you already a believer
in UFOs or did something happen that made you realize

(01:25):
something's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, something happened to me before I ever heard of UFOs.
When I was just practically a baby. My sister and
I were sleeping in an upstairs bedroom. We were really
poor and didn't have TVs or anything. We never heard
of UFOs, but we had this thing flying around in
sut our bedroom, and we both saw it and watched it,

(01:52):
and it flew around and it seemed to be guy.
It didn't run into anything, and then it went flow
up to the ceiling and flew around the ceiling, and
then it circle of chandelier and came under it, and
suddenly we both became terrified and ran out of the
room and rander our parents, and they told us we

(02:13):
imagined that there were two of us and we weren't
even talking to each other, so we imagine it. And
then I found out years later that that could have
been a UFO. And then my sister and I had
another sighting, had some other sightings also, But back then
you didn't talk about it.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, yeah, the ridicule factor actually still existed even ten
years ago. In my opinion, it wasn't until the New
York Times twenty seventeen article when they talked about a
tip that really thing started to change. At least that's
what I think the big shift was. Now you went
off to you got a PhD. Obviously, you taught at university,
but more importantly, you also worked at the Defense Intelligence

(02:52):
Agency there was some incident there that exposed you to
more UFOs.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Right, Yes, I was working in Air Order Battle at
the time, and what we did it was very classified work.
We identified aircraft from the spy in the sky satellites
and they go around about not every ninety minutes. And

(03:26):
my supervisors told me there that they found a UFO
and they reported it as a UFO and I saw
it too. It was on two different films. And what
was really weird was is that their supervisors, I mean,
I had my supervisor I think with the GS fourteen
or something that was high in the government, and their

(03:48):
supervisors told them that it didn't exist, and it was
a spot on the film. And they were you know,
professionals and knew what they were doing everything. They couldn't
believe that their supervisors told him it was nothing.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Do you think the supervisor was told by someone to
say that it was nothing, just a spot or do
you think that was just him trying to protect the
mission and not bring this UFO into this.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Well, it was all classified so it wouldn't get out
any place anyway. But I thought either their supervisors were
very incompetent, didn't know a thing about ANALYZN photographs or
else they were lying, and it caused me to be
suspicious that high up in the government people knew about UFOs.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Now, at what point did you get involved investigating Pasca
Gula because you were one of the last people to
interview Calvin Parker, If I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, I got involved in it because something happened to
me at the same time as the abduction. I was
in Missouri at the time, and my mother was in Ohio.
I don't know if I told you this or not, did.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I Yeah, yeah, but for this audience, we definitely should
talk about you were six hundred miles away. It was
a phone call, if I'm not mistaken, right, No.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I was six hundred miles away and my mother called
and said she heard an explosion and that that and
her were real concerned about it. And she kept telling
her I couldn't hear it. I was six hundred miles away,
in three states away, and she just kept insisting, did
you hear it? And so I started kidding her. And

(05:39):
she had always said that if she had she showed dementia,
we should tell her. And so I think on her
she was crazy and everything, and you know, laying it on,
but she took it, but she still kept asking did
you hear that noise? And I thought that was a
really strange thing. And years later I was in Ohio

(06:04):
and I was just in the library and the Ohio
State University library, and they went they had actual newspapers
for a while in their library, and I just on impulse,
I wondered if I could find when that sound was,
and so I went in and I didn't know when

(06:25):
it was or anything else. I just made a guess
and started looking through newspapers and I actually found it,
and it was so odd because it was heard over
a little white area and it was never identified. And
I started investigating and wrote it up in the state

(06:47):
seismologists of Ohio helped me with it and put it
in a scientific journal that that there was a strange
sound heard for a very long distance and nobody identified
what caused it. But the sound was exactly just about
this news, you could guess at the same time as
the abduction. And I wasn't interested in the abduction at all,

(07:10):
but I had paid attention to the sound. And then
many years later I had had a book accepted by
Flying This Press, by Philip Mantel, and Philip Mantel was
developing a real high interest in Pascagoula, and so he's
in England where they have an English accent, and Calvin

(07:34):
down in Mississippi where they have an accent, and he
asked me to interview people. And so I was really
interested because I already had that investigated the sound, that
I had never paid attention to the abduction until then,
and so I started paying attention to the abduction too.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
One thing that really stood out after I interviewed do
it actually hit me when I was interviewing the first
time and also going through your book, is it's almost
like fate brought you to Pasca Gula because it wasn't
just what happened when you were young with your sister
in the room, and it wasn't just that phone call.
There were more synchronicities that linked you to Pasca Gula, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Actually, the very first thing I ever wrote about UFOs
was about the sound, and that I was in science,
so I didn't go around talking about UFOs. But anyway,
I gave this. It was a scientific paper. But the
people in Ohio found out about the paper and wanted

(08:42):
me to give a talk on UFOs and so well,
actually the first thing I'd ever written about UFOs is
for an English professor, was for an English class, and
then I had people found out about that I'd done
the study and they asked me to give a talk

(09:05):
to a UFO group and that way, I meant people
in UFOs from Ohio. So actually scold cooling figure in
my life because it was the first thing I ever
wrote about UFOs and then it's what actually brought me
into meeting UFO people and eventually joining UFO groups and

(09:27):
things like that.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
There's a couple people I know that some prominent uthology
figures that I've interviewed, and these are just some of
the people You've also worked with, Whitney Strieber, Robert Solis,
Stanton Friedman, and many more. Who would you say was
the biggest influence in your ufology career and writing and investigating?

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Oh, I think probably the local group here because I
didn't want I didn't want to talk about UFOs because
of being in scientific work. But they, the people here
that belonged to the UFO group, pulled me in and
I started doing investigating with them and finding out more

(10:10):
about how to investigate UFOs and then Moufan also was
a big influence.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
You were on the board for Moufon or something like that, right.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yes, I was. I was on the board of directors
for a while.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Now. This is another thing that blew me away when
I first intered feed you, because I've been interested in
Pasca Gula for years. I've only spoken to Calvin Parker
in that one interview maybe rest in peace, but I'd
never known there were more than him and Charles Hickton
or Hickson.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
What's his last name, Yeah, Charles Hickson.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, I did not know more than the two of
them were taken that very same day. Can you talk
about because you've interviewed well over fifty eyewitnesses in Pasca
Gula that saw something or at least one other person
was taken that same day or night.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, actually, I think there were about one hundred people
that reported sightings overall, which would be It's just absolutely
amazing because something was really strange in the sky that night,
and I found out later a lot of weird things
happening all over the country at the same time too.

(11:21):
Calvin had been on YouTube giving a talk and there
were a lot of comments and one of the comments
was this woman said, yeah, my mother watched the abduction. Well,
my parents watched the abduction. Philip Manno, who just is
a really good researcher, jumped on that and found out

(11:43):
who the woman's parents were and gave me them to interview,
and so I called him to interview them. And the
husband was a skeptic, and he just said something like
I heard a spice or something. But his wife's said
that they were by a pier with a ship on

(12:04):
the end of it, and it was right across the
river from when the abduction took place, and they didn't
know it was the abduction going on at the time.
What they were doing was his supervisor was going to
come and they were going to He and the supervisor
were going out on the ship to provision some rigs
and things. But the supervisor was late, and so he

(12:27):
went to sleep in the car. And she was looking
around and she saw this thing flying around and she
couldn't figure out what it was. She kept saying that
this is a airplane, but the pilots lost or confused
or something and just kept flying around and she didn't
understand it. Then she said that her husband's side to

(12:49):
take his clothes to the ship. It was about nine
o'clock and they walked down the pier and he was
ahead of her, and something jumped up right in front
of her on the pier like a person, and I
asked her for a fish. It was a dolphin. She
said no, it was looking like a person. But then
it flopped back and never came up her air, and

(13:09):
she was terrified. They went to the ship, and then
she said at twelve o'clock she was coming back. And
that caused bells stirring in my head for two things.
One is is that she was so terrified of whatever
jumped up on the pair. And the other thing was
there seemed to be missing time, because sent me three
hours it just disappeared. And so I stayed in contact

(13:34):
with her. She was the first person I interviewed, and
I didn't even know there were other witnesses then, and
so I stayed in contact with her. And several years later,
her husband, the skeptic, became very ill and went on
a ventilator, which means you can't talk. But before he
went on the ventilator, he told her that they had
been abducted and that he had had previous contact with

(13:58):
the entities or whatever they were in the abduction. And so,
you know, it was pretty strange for her because not
only since she here she was abducted, but this is
from her own husband, who seemed to be in contact
with the entities. And so then later under hypnosis, she

(14:23):
remembered a little more, but she had no idea she'd
been abducted until then. But her husband apparently knew about it.
But he always had positioned himself as a skeptic.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
I thought that's a little ironic when you first told
me that too. So outwardly he was telling everybody, including
his wife, Hey, there's nothing here. I don't believe it.
But literally, right before he goes on the ventilator does
he not only say, hey, honey, we've been taken, but
also says he was in contact prior to that. Right, yes,

(14:55):
I before we jump into the nuts and bolts of
what happened to Calvin Charles, because you mentioned missing time,
and this is something I absolutely credit you for that
I hope the rest of the community does. When I
interviewed Luelazano a few years ago, he and famously he
talks about this now. He also put this in his
book The observables of UAPs. You created a list of

(15:19):
observables for abductees, right, Can we talk about that those observables,
because missing time is a massive one.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yes, if we can. I'm looking through my list.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
No problem. In the meantime, I will say, one of
them I believe is paralysis, right, an ability to control
your own body. Those are the two of obviously, I remember.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
One of them that I thought, really do My attention
was that I just listed things that seem to be
in common with the abductions from a number of abductions,
and one of them, a lot of abductions started with

(16:08):
people sing light, strange light or the light or something
like that, and that was the first one I seemed
to be the first thing that happened to people.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
And then, of course I'm assuming usually following the light
is when they get paralyzed.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
I would imagine, yes, paralysis is definitely or generally the
company's abduction.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
And then, of course the first one that you mentioned,
missing time with that woman who had the three hours
missing any more off the top of your head that
you want to jump into or no, just a.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Minute, I actually had a list of them is the second?

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Sure, Well, while you're looking for that if let me
ask you this, because when we get into the nuts
and bolts of what happened to Charles and Calvin, and
one of the things that always stood out to me
and why it was one of my favorite cases, aside
from the fact of the police tape that we'll talk
about after, was the types of beings. They were so

(17:14):
unique looking. So we'll get to that in a second,
but let me know if you have that list. Otherwise,
the question I was going to ask was that woman
that had the three hours missing time that was also
taken that the husband before you went on the ventilator,
said that, Hey, we were abducted and I've had contact.
What types of beings were those that abducted them? They were?

(17:36):
They weren't the same that took Calvin and Charles, right.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
They might have been the same. I thought that this
was so stressful, people might not even remember things. They Yeah,
he described them as taller. There were different descriptions. They
weren't like Charles and Calvin didn't describe them the typical

(18:01):
way today a lot of aliens are sort of showing
his skinny little things, short with big heads and big
eyes and essentially yes, but yeah, but like usually the
aliens are skinny and things like that, but their abductors
were kind of porky, kind of had maybe fat or something,

(18:25):
and had wrinkly skin and no eyes or they couldn't
see the eyes, so they were a lot different than
And they had on their heads where you have projections
and humans where they had like ears and a nose
where they had sort of like little carrots or something
for projections instead of ears and a nose.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
And their hands were claws too.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Right, Yes, their hands were claws.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Now, might as well jump into since we talked about
the beings that Calvin and Charlestott, so I believe they
were dock workers, cracting me if I'm wrong or no.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
No, they worked for shipbuilding company. I think I think
Calvin was. Charles was the supervisor and he just hired Calvin.
Calvin I think was in welding.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
And he was seventeen at the time.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
He was eighteen eighteen maager.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, very young now. So they went fishing and was
it about midnight when they started to see the light?

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Oh? No, earlier they didn't. They didn't have watches, but
it was earlier than that. It was after dark. It
was in November October. I'm sorry, but it was after dark,
but just after dark. I think they didn't for sure.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
This is around the time the other witnesses, like the
crane operator or the other person that you mentioned, saw
this craft that they thought the pilot was not in
the right mind because we're flying around and not so normal. Essentially,
this craft came not far off them, but it didn't
land or did it land? Was it just floating off

(20:08):
the water near where they were fishing.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, that's people keep criticizing it and say, well, it's
a government, but this object, it didn't. It wasn't in
the water, it wasn't on land. It floated up to them.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
It levitated, and not just that when the beings came out,
their feet were not touching the ground, they were also
levitating towards Charles and Calvin. Am I correct.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
And then when they grabbed Charles and Calvin, they levitated
them into the into the whatever it was.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Now, for most people who don't recall other aspects out
of that abduction, as far as the memories or unless
they had hypnosis down the line, what happened once they
got in that they remembered that they told you or
did you. Did you never have a chance to speak
to Charles, obviously, I did. He passed away a long
time ago.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
No, I just read their books. They both What they
both reported in common was is that they were taken
inside and they thought they were reclined on a table,
but they may have just been levitated lengthwise. And they

(21:22):
both reported that something appeared to scan them. Charles said
it looked like a big eye that came out from
the wall. It was so bright they couldn't see anything
on the inside, but this big eye type thing came
out of the wall and then went around him, and
the same as Calvin, he said it was something like

(21:43):
a decad cards today you might say like a iPhone
or something. Something came out and appeared to scan them.
They both reported that also.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
I recall from your book a female, a female possibly
wearing a mask or something that which is different than
the types of beings with the claws and the carrot
looking things that were sticking out of where their ears
would be. Can you talk about that being the female.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, he didn't report that. I mean, he didn't talk
about any of it for about fifty years, but he
went underwent hypnosis later and I guess he actually remembered this,
but he didn't talk about. There was a female board,
and she looked kind of human, but he knew she
wasn't human, although she said she was rather attractive actually,

(22:35):
and she gave in visions of like the future, of
like the end of the world and things like that,
and it was kind of like a near death experience too.
He saw her on board, and then he saw her
another time later for another abduction.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
That actually was another breakthrough that I had not known
about until I interviewed you. That there was a follow
up abduction with Calvin. And if you recall I told
you this last time when I interviewed him. Obviously we
only had a certain amount of time, and you know,
we were supposed to do it again, but sadly he
passed away. He told me that there was stuff that

(23:18):
he was shown or told that he would tell me
at another point later. And now after I interviewed you
and went through your book, I realized what it was
was this stuff about you know, wars and Earth ending.
Can you go into detail of any of that that
you heard? I believe it was from his regression tape

(23:38):
or he told you himself as well.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yes, it was from his regression. He had several regressions,
and he said that there would be disease, and he
didn't know if it was if a disease was a
COVID or not.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
I was just gonna say, COVID came out, you know,
and that's the one that we created. And who knows
what else is being you know, created now in the
gain of function research.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
And then after that there might be a terrible war,
such a flesh melts off people's bones and things, and
then eventually the things straightened out and get better.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
You know.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
When this actually happened, it was already a tumultuous time,
not just in the United States but the entire world.
In nineteen seventy three, for those people who don't know
the year this took place, the Young Kapoor War was
going on, Watergate, the nuclear brinkmanship of the era. You know,
we were literally at odds with the Soviet Union at

(24:40):
the time. That was probably some of the scariest times.
So do you think that had something to do why
they came then, because the world was literally on the
brink of nuclear war.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Well, it was amazing. I was just thinking of today.
There was a lot of UFO activity not only where
they were, but all over the country and went into
detail about any place. I mean, like my mother when
she called me. She called me a few days later
and said it was like a war zone. That people
were hiding in their basements and keeping their kids in

(25:11):
and staying in at nights and things. It was like
a war zone with the UFOs and several other people.
I mean in other places too. If you went into
detail at that, you know, around that time, there was
a whole lot going on all over the country. But
which yeah, I mean they had deaf Con three alert,

(25:32):
which means that nuclear war is just about ready to happen.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Deaf Con four is war breaks out right. Defense condition
three is like be ready to launch essentially, right.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, And it'd been on the radio they announced deaf
Con three, and they had the big scandals of like
Nixon and Watergate and all that, plus a Israel war
and the oil and gas crisis and everything else. In

(26:08):
one of my topic compared it to this to now
because the UFOs are making the news. Now we're having
Israel war. There's been talking nuclear using nukes, and there
still is.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Same thing in Russia. They've been talking about using tactical
nuclear weapons in the Ukraine War.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yes, and so it's like fifty years later the same
thing happens. Plusly all the scandals in Washington too.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Before we take a quick break, I did want to
also ask you about the Coast Guard they saw a USO,
which essentially is a UFO that's underwater. Am I mistaken?

Speaker 2 (26:50):
You're right?

Speaker 1 (26:51):
And with this at the same time Calvin and Charles
were taken or was it prior or after? It was
the same night, right.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
No, it was there. Theirs was the eleventh of October and
the USO was the sixth in November, so it was
just about three weeks later and almost the same place.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
So which actually goes into what you've been saying that
that year in itself was a massive wave. And you
said through all the country, if anything, probably throughout the world.
I don't think they're just regional. If it's going, if
you're seeing UAPs or you know, I still like to
call them UFOs California, Ohio, New York, Missouri. I would

(27:35):
also think we're just not getting their proper reports from Rassia,
China or Europe, for instance.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, because even in Ohio's it didn't make the news. Well,
it made the news for the coin helicopter encounter, which
is a very good encounter during that same period of
military But talking to people, there are people around here

(28:04):
that sounded like they had been abducted too, but nobody
talked about it. And they just told me on account
of I was doing UFOs, but they didn't want me
to say anything.

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say the pair is especially unusual because both planets are
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especially lung, digestive and uterine cancers. Researchers say the pattern
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Speaker 1 (35:53):
Okay, welcome back to the second half of Midnight Frequency Radio,
hosted by Carl Richardson. I'm your host, Doctor J. Philly
in for Carl today, host of Doctor J Radio Live.
Is my show. We are speaking to the one and
only doctor Irena Scott, who I believe is probably the
person on the planet that is the most known and
most researched about, not just the Pasca Goul event, but

(36:16):
she's probably one of the largest rising stars in all
of abductions and UFO upology in general. So it is
a pleasure to speak to her again, first time for
you audience for Midnight Frequency. Doctor Scott, welcome back to
the second half.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Now let's go back into Charles and Calvin. So once
they're broad inside and then Calvin after the regressions years later,
recalls that this female is giving him all these you know,
images of diseases, you know, nuclear war and skin melting off,

(36:54):
all that bad stuff. What happens after that, because at
some point obviously either brought back on the shore and
then they had to the police or share it.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Well, what happened after they were returned from the object
was is that they both had reactions. They were both
terrified when this happened, which anybody would be. Plus they
were not only terrified by what happened, but because they
were paralyzed and they could see they were conscious, but

(37:24):
they couldn't move. And that's unusual for abductions because a
lot of times with abductions, people don't even remember, but
they were conscious and knew it. And remember afterwards, well,
they were returned to the pair and Calvin had some
kind of a nervous reaction. I mean, as a physiologist,

(37:44):
I was aware of this. But he was standing at
the end of the pier and he has arms stretched
out towards the water, and Charles he sort of fell
down and couldn't get up, and then he got up,
but Calvin was still just standing there in a disposition
with his arms just out against the water, and I said,

(38:04):
I think that's kind of a neural reaction to something.
And then Charles kind of got him out of his trance.
But then Charles was older, and he had been in
the military and with life and death situations, and he.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Could say, with Charles' age, he possibly could have served.
Was it World War two or Korea that time?

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Korea?

Speaker 1 (38:29):
I think anyway, proceeds. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut
you off. I just was curious because it was crazy
to be a real bloody war in that era.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah. Yeah, there were a lot of close encounters and deaths,
I mean close encounters with the military. Anyway, he thought
that compared to almost getting killed, that he could probably
take the harassment of the of you know, saying that
he saw UFO. Calvin was at a different stage in

(38:59):
his life and he didn't want to go through the
rest of his life with everybody harassing him and you
know all the nasty things people say to you back
then and even now. So Charles wanted to report it,
and he thought it was his studio reported and of
course didn't want to have anything to do with reporting it.

(39:20):
But anyway, Charles made the decision to report it, and
he had turble reporting it because he first of all
tried a newspaper and they said, you know, forget about it.
Of course they were closed too, And then he tried
to report to the Kesseler Air Force Base, and the
Air Force had recently concluded Blue Book and said UFOs

(39:42):
don't exist. So they said UFOs don't exist. So then
he reported to the police and the police did a
really excellent investigation.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
One of my favorite things was what the police did.
They were skeptical, so they actually left the table order on,
left the room to see if they would admit it's
a hoax.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Right, yeah. They first of all interviewed them separately, then
put them together and interviewed them. Then the interviewer walked
down and they had a hidden tape recorder, and that
was because the police didn't want to be made it
full of They didn't, you know, they if these two

(40:25):
were hoaxing. They didn't want to look stupid, so they
wanted to find out if they were hoaxing. But the
tape showed that they were just both rightually having a
heart attack or stroke. They were, So it had been
such a traumatic experience.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
For everybody listening. I encourage you after this interview is
over to check that it's available all over. You could
find it on YouTube or just google Calvin Parker Charles
Hickson police audio and you will hear it. And literally
you could tell the guys are scared. I believe Charles
or Carl says something to the point I need to

(41:02):
have a drink after to call my nerves. I mean,
these guys were really fearful, and again they didn't know
they're being recorded. So this is them being brutally honest
to each other and what's happening. So I'm really glad
the police did that, especially in that era, because you know,
who knows how they could have spun it, considering the

(41:23):
air force that they don't exist, which was just a shame. Now,
what happened, you said, So they could the police once
they realized that they were telling the truth and they
saw something that scared them. What did they do to investigate?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Well, they actually took him well to doctors, and I
interviewed one of the doctors that examined them. And then
this was a real good investigation. What was unusual is
they remembered what happened. They were conscious when it happened,
and they were conscious afterwards. And so a lot of

(42:00):
times of the abduction you don't remember until ten years
later or something, but they were conscious the whole time.
And then they did some more really good investigations. They
took him to the Air Force base and had some
top people like colonels and things, doctors and everything else
interview them. And they're still transcripted with that. And then

(42:24):
two top scientists that were both university professors, doctor Alan
Heinik of who was a chairman of the Northwestern University
Astronomy department, and doctor Harder of UCLA both interviewed him
late that weekend and looked over their bodies too. For

(42:48):
Marx and Philip Mantle found all the material plus there
was there was this thing called the puncture wound document.
Else they had pictures, and he found the pictures too
of their bodies and there were some skins creping and
maybe one that did look like a puncture wound. But

(43:08):
another thing was is that they reported their eyes were dilated.
And this was several days This was several days later,
and I took a lot of medical stuff in college.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
I was going to say, you have a PhD in
veterinary science, you know a lot about biology.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yes, And it said their eyes were dilated and this
was to the light, in the bright light in the UFO,
but they wouldn't the eyes wouldn't be responding to light
several days later. And with light it makes them constrict,
not dilate. And so if they were dilating, their eyes

(43:50):
were dilated several days later. It suggests that there was
some kind of drugs involved and they both thought that
they had been injected.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Now did any of them find implants in them through
X rays or because sometimes those puncture wounds are you know,
just punctures. Maybe they're drawing something or inserting something or
I don't know what the ets are analyzing. But other
times there seems to be implant placements. Did you know

(44:19):
if any of these happened to the two gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
No, I didn't know about implants. But Kelvin, who had
the puncture wound, said that he thought his blood had
been rained out of him and something else put in.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Which could make sense of why they're dilated days later,
because it sounds to me it has to be some
chemical or some sort of medicine that causes that reaction right.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Well, the way they were anesthetized, it's like I think
back in those days when you were unesssized, they just
put you out. But these people, they seem to be anesthecized,
but they was conscious sedation like they today. Where they
were they couldn't move, but they were their memory and

(45:06):
brain was still working. They were still conscious.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
I've heard that, you know, from a couple of people,
and again there's no way to prove it. But one
of the ways the ets paralyze you and anesthetize you
is by flooding your brain with your opiate receptors, just
an opiate dump from what your brain produces. Do you
have you heard anything like that.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I think there's a number of ways to do it.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Now, okay, One really major thing that blew my mind
from your book and from your research and from our
interview the first time was I had no idea because
we know that UFOs are really interested in nuclear weapons.
You know, Robert Solis from Malstrom Air Force Base talks

(45:52):
about how they were shut off Randelsham. Partly was the
reason we believe that they were the craft show over
those nights was because it also was storage for nuclear missiles.
There were nuclear missiles not far in Missouri, if I'm
not mistaken, right.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Well, that's a new information that came out on my book.
Nobody was aware of that at all. And I had
talked to several of these people that had experienced that
were in the control rooms when UFOs were over bases
and the nuclear missiles were turned off. And that made

(46:32):
me think. And I went back over the papers and
things and found that actually there was kind of a
cover up, and back in those days, nuclear sites were hidden.
They didn't want the government didn't want people to know
there were new you know, particular sites were nuclear sites.

(46:53):
And I described one in Ohio that was disguised as
a pet food factory feed materials plant, and actually feed
materials high grade uranium, concentrated uranium. But back then they
didn't want people to know about nuclear sites, and you

(47:14):
thought nuclear sites might be missiles or like handover things
like that. But I discovered that actually they were at
a very high grade nucular site and nobody ever realized
it until then. That's basically what my book was about.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Yeah, and that actually fits why there was such a
wave there and why so many people saw it. Because
if they were just coming, for instance, for Calvin and Charles,
because they'd been studying them for god knows how long,
I would think they're more incognito. But for so many
witnesses to see something over a period of time. You

(47:51):
mentioned the coastguards even three weeks three weeks later, and
you know the other couple, I believe her. You said
her name was Marie. I could be wrong with the
husband that eventually said that he was taken. So this
just fits more in line with so many other cases
we have where people were either contacted, abducted, or people

(48:14):
just saw something because they were in a proximity of
a nuclear base or missile. Sylum.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yes, a number of people published they thought that UFOs
UAP often appeared near nuclear sites as if possibly there
was some kind of interest in them. And in this case,
this was just classified as a good old boy backwaters

(48:40):
sighting of two people in appear in Mississippi. But actually
this was a very high grade nuclear site and nobody
realized that. And possibly that's why with abductions usually they
take place out in the middle of nowhere and nobody
else sees them there there's no way to document them anything. Well,

(49:02):
in this case, a lot of people saw something that
was pretty not normal and enough, even though it was
hard to report things back then because of the harassment,
because there's no place to report it to a lot
of people, a whole lot of people had reported that

(49:22):
night that they saw unusual objects flying around and things
that were just a whole lot of reports. And I
thought after this, we should reclassify the site as a
nuclear site, like nuclear missile sites and things like that
instead of just you know, southern good old boy sighting.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
You know, back when we were earlier in this interview,
when we were mentioning the observables, one thing that I
didn't think to mention, and it popped in my mind
because I saw a disclosure day not too long ago,
was the screen memories that ets used, and you also
wrote your book about the post hypnotic suggestions that they

(50:07):
possibly give. And a third thing which can possibly tied
to one thing would be the post hypnotic suggestions. The
other thing would be the idea that these UAPs can
actually read our thoughts. For instance, the David Fraber incident
when he saw the tic TAC the UFO or the

(50:28):
tic TAC is eventually went to his classified cat point.
Is that what it's called. So in your research, you've
seen other instances of this happen right where they're inserting
screen memories or post hypnotic suggestions or even responding to
our thoughts in real time and possibly like you know,

(50:49):
thirty seconds ahead of us.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yes, like the airplane pilot he said that just in seconds,
that this thing knew where the cat point was and
when well, it was like Maria Blair described, she said
that her husband decided to put his clothes in the
ship and just like that, this UFO was there, just

(51:14):
in seconds, and it's like they can kind of read
your mind. But I was saying that this is very
very dangerous. I mean, like Bob Sallis who reported the
UFO and the missiles. Both of those people said that
it's dangerous to turn off the missiles and things, but

(51:36):
I was saying just as dangerous to have metal effects
such as abductions and a nuclear site.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
You know. That begs the question do you think that
sometimes the beings that people are seeing our screen memories
to disguise them as something more familiar? I guess the
better way to phrase is, so many people talk about
gray aliens, and gray aliens are in media everywhere. Is
it possible that some of these abductions are beings, for instance,

(52:08):
like the type that Calvin saw, or even uglier than that,
but they show themselves as grays as a little familiarity.
I mean, this is just a hypothesis, But what would
you say, do you think that happens well.

Speaker 8 (52:22):
In my.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Abduction severbles. A lot of people have screen memories, and
they they don't just see grays. They see animals and
things like that that are familiar. But it'll turn out
later that these are entities whatever they are that can
I have screen memories, and there's a number of things

(52:47):
that often turn up, like owls. People see owls. Later
they find out that they're UFO aliens and they don't
have screen memories of something happened that just seems a
little bit out of shape or things, and then later

(53:08):
they will under hypnosis or in other ways they will
realize that this was they were interacting with aliens, but
it was disguised in their memory. I mean, like this
one woman, Betty Andresen, when she was a kid, she
dreamed that this bee came up and stung her, and actually,

(53:29):
once she remembered a hypnosis, it wasn't a bee. It
was a little orbit. It came and hit her right
in the forehead instead of being a bee, which she remembered.
And that sort of thing that you will disguise it
in your memory. And so the aliens or whatever take
different appearances. They may look like an animal or just

(53:50):
something familiar instead of aliens. Whatever aliens look like.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Here we go. Okay.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
I was saying in the movie Disclosure that I think
we caught that part already, how they were using. Steven
Spielberg was using things like foxes, deer, and even birds
to show up as screens as something familiar, when in
reality it was those gray aliens.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Yeah, it was sometimes that we're taking people see like
a common animal instead of whatever an alien looks like.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Now, I.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Outside of the couple that had the three hours missing time,
and essentially the husband before placed on the vent Lador
mentioned that they were abducted, and outside Calvin and Charles,
anybody else on the nineteen seventy three nights that was
also abducted.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
I think there were abductions in other places, such as
the people I talked to around here that nobody would
talk about, you know, anybody except they told me. But yeah,
I think that that same night I interviewed a number
of people before I found out about the abduction of

(55:10):
these two, and I recorded things that caused me to
think there might have been more abductions than that, But
I at that time I didn't have an idea there
might have been more abductions, so I didn't really go
into it. But like people would say they were going
away from UFOs and hiding someplace, and then they would

(55:33):
see the UFO in a place where they saw earlier,
which to me meant suggested missing time. And there were
several people that I thought might have also been abducted
that time. You know, with the screen memories and everything,
that wouldn't know it.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
This is obviously just purely pure.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
It's pure speculation that I'm going to ask you, but
do you have any idea why they're abducting people?

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Well, that was one thing I was sort of covering
in my abduction observables. There's a formal abduction such as
which is just a regular abduction. They take a person
and do something and release the person. That's like humans do.
But there were a whole lot of other things that

(56:23):
I was talking about that often are reported during abductions
that nobody pays attention to. And these are often there's
a bright light, the object just suddenly appears. That doesn't
seem to I'm like an airplane takes off and then
it flies and that goes someplace. Well, the UFO seem
to just appear and disappear, and they don't travel like

(56:45):
an airplane. There's usually often a close encounter. And one
thing that really you pay attention to is is that physics,
the principles of physics seem that not operate during abductions.
That seems more disturbing to me than the abduction because
the objects seem to levitate, the entities seem that levitate,

(57:09):
and people seem to levitate, and often an abduction, say, well,
people just go through walls and things like that that
just aren't in our type of physics at all. And
it's like it's like it's not just like an abduction,
it's like something else is going on besides that that
there's a whole change in the physics or the scientific

(57:34):
environment or something.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
I don't know, if you recall what I told you
last time.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
There's this case that came out of Preston Dennet's book
Uphos over California, and a woman is an abductee and
she recalled the night before that she was also taken,
but her seven year old son was on board, and
the next morning at breakfast, she's wondering if he remembers it,
so she doesn't want to say where you did you
see the aliens or anything? She said, how'd you sleep

(58:02):
last night? And he goes, good mommy, and then she's like, phew,
he doesn't remember, And then all of a sudden he goes,
but my alien friends came back to visit me with
a big smile, and she's thinking, oh my god, he remembers.
And then this is the part that gets crazy. The
kid says, but they get mad at me and she
has said. Why, he said, because when they walk him
through the walls, he stops to look at all the

(58:24):
colored balls, and they tell him it's dangerous to stay there.
What that tells me using a seven year old term
seven year old terms, he is being literally walked through
a wall, and as the wall demateializes in front of him,
he is literally seeing molecules on the atomic level in
different colors. That's what it sounds like to me. So

(58:45):
I've always wondered is it technology that's making them do
this or are they literally able to manipulate physics with
their mind.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Well, that's what I wondered, because it's like one of
it's like quantum mechanics. I mean, people don't understand anything
about that, and like light can be either a vibration
or a particle, and people don't understand how it can
be either that or that, and there's some circumstances. But
just comparing that to UFOs, I mean, they can they

(59:20):
can just materialize out of nowhere, like becoming a particle
and then disappear to us to our level of understanding.
And it seems to me like it involves something a
lot more complicated than just you know, reaching out and
abducting something that it's like a whole change in your physics.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
It really is, and that's something that I really hope
we get answers to.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
You know, it really bothers me.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
I understand why they're hiding the technology, but they don't
have to hide the beings and the truth from us.
At least they could just show us, you know, a
body or you know one didn't survive, or a living one,
bring them on TV for us to interview. I just
still don't understand what its classified about that, And so

(01:00:09):
I guess this brings me to the next question. With
all these hearings that are going on, do you have
any optimism that we'll ever get the truth?

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Well, I also worry about whether they get the truth
from us. But I also worry about whether the government
may be mentally influenced by the entities too or whatever
they are, that maybe there's something up in the government
from UFOs that are influencing the top of the government

(01:00:43):
or something, And I worry about that a little bit too.
I don't know. I guess the reason they thought it's
one reason became class the subject became classified was because
when it started, they didn't know whether they were whether
up or UFOs who were aliens or from another country,

(01:01:05):
and so they wanted to classify, to keep everything that
they knew classified so the other country wouldn't know. And
if they were finding out they found out how to
make weapons or things, they would want to you know,
stay in advance of the other countries and things like that,
so they don't want the other countries to know about it.

(01:01:25):
So but I think if they had the same ability
as the UFOs that they, you know, if the government,
if our government had the same abilities capabilities, If you
have os, we just take over the world no time.
So I'm not too sure how much we know about
them for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Well, and obviously some of these crash and retrievals produced bodies,
so at some point they had to realize, wait a minute,
you know, these aren't genetically modified humans that some people
you know have said in the past. Clearly there's something else.
If you brief one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Person, okay, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
That's okay, that's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
We obviously had some audio issues earlier with equipment and
this it's almost like there's another party out there that
wants this to be ruined.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
But we're not going to let that happen.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
If there's one person that you had the chance, anywhere
on this planet, any country, king, queen, scientist, president, who
would be the one person that you would brief on
all the findings in your book Pasca Gula, the ultimate
close to your phone counters.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
I don't know, because it'd have to be a scientist,
I think to on account of the credibility. I think
I'd just rather I think if I brief somebody, it
would be people in general, because people are who experiences
a lot of this and they don't know what's going on.

(01:02:58):
Nobody does and I just don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Well, you're doing a great service to humanity by researching
and publishing your books because a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
People who have, you know, these close encounters of the
third fourth kind, really are always looking for answers, and
a lot of them are very traumatized.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
I've noticed that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
With regards to Pasca Gula. If you what is the
one piece of evidence that you have in the book
that you wrote that, if that you would give to
any person who's a skeptic that doesn't necessarily believe in
UFOs or abductions that you think would be a game changer,

(01:03:42):
that would you know, change their perception of what's really happening.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Well, I think the number of witnesses would be a
good I mean, you can't really prove the witnesses truthful,
and I will get a hack and say, well, all
these people are lying. I don't think they are lying.
I think most of them seemed very sincere to me.

(01:04:06):
The large number of witnesses, and also at the time
of the event, the police recorded like maybe about fifty
phone calls that night and from people reporting something was
flying around, they saw a strange object, and that was

(01:04:29):
before it made the news or anything, so they weren't
influenced by the news. They were influenced by seeing something
that they had never seen before, and it was strong
enough to overcome the fact that they'd be ridiculed and
that there was no place to report to that quite
a few people that night, like maybe fifty people reported

(01:04:50):
seeing something so well, they say, you know, abductions aren't real,
and because there's no documentational Well, in this case, there
was a whole lot of documentation.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Like you said, the people that you spoke to are sincere,
and those are just the people that reported it. I'm
sure there's countless people that have either passed or never
talked about it for a.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Ridicule factor that also saw it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
And you know, you have all these people who don't
necessarily know each other telling the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
To me, that's even more credible.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Yeah, because they were. It was like and even that night,
some distance away along the freeway and things, there were
people that were reporting some really strange things. Like about
fifty miles away, there were these three men, one of

(01:05:49):
them were kind of famous, in a car traveling toward
New Orleans and they said that this is the same
night that some object came over and then a smaller
object came down and got in front of their car
as they were driving along, and it was sort of

(01:06:09):
clicking and just like the scanner that the that the
Charles and Calvin reported, it was in front of their cars.
They were driving along and they were like they were
hypnotized and like they were like, just like Calvin and
Charles reported, it was like they were paralyzed. It was

(01:06:30):
like they were in a trance and they just were
traveling along with this thing in front of them. Then
it disappeared some way and they just like they came
out of trance and said what happened, and this was
like one hundred miles away at the same time, and
I guess from my own experience, I thought my mother

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was a little bit off that same night.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
You know, I've always found it fascinating. And this goes
to what we were talking about earlier. Is it technology
or are they just so advanced with their brains that
they're able to put people in the trance. That's a
question I'm always going to have and I hope one
day we can get the answer. Is it them biologically
that's able to paralyze us, put screen memories in us

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and essentially calm us and control us and get us
to do what they want? Or is it some facet
of their craft or other you know, artifacts or technology
on that. With that being said, doctor Scott, we are
running out of time, So I do want to say
if there's a final statement about your book about you

(01:07:38):
followed you that you would like to tell the audience,
or if there's anything we missed. Of course there's more,
I'm sure you know. Well, I'll have you back on
my show. Carl will want you back on issue as well,
so you'll more interviews to come. But with regards to
today's is there anything else that you feel we should cover.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Yeah, So I think the idea that you can be
metal influenced by these things, and that this is taking
place on a nuclear site, and nuclear sites and things,
you can destroy the world with this, I mean, like
the United State States can kill everybody in the world.

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You can just destroy the world. So it seems to
me like they don't take abduction serious or UFOs. What
seems to me like with that may witnesses something that's
going on, plus the abduction plus other metal effects that
this was by a nuclear site, and it seems pretty dangerous,
and it seems like it people ought to pay attention

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to that. The government I will pay a whole lot
of attention to it. In my opinion, I totally agree.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
And people underestimate the amount of abductions that are In
the nineties, Gallup Pole said that one in forty people
were probably taken at some point in their lives. So
with everything you said, the ability to I mean just
messing with these nuclear weapons and one goes off. They
are far more powerful today than they were in nineteen

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forty five.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
So that's always a concern. Real quick, let's talk.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
About where people can buy your book, Past Theglue, the
Ultimate close UFO Encounter, the best documented nuclear government and
mind control dimensions.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
It's on Amazon Com and it's also on Flying This Press.
And I have a website just Irenascott dot com, Irena Scott,
one word, and on my website you can just click

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on it and it goes to the Amazon Com and
I think the Flying This Press website does too. Or else,
just look under under my name in Amazon, Irena McCammon Scott,
or the name of my book and it should show
up on dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
And we will definitely incorporate all those links your website
where to buy the book.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
I'll have Carl put that up.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
And remember, everybody, Carl is await tonight. This is Doctor
J host of Doctor J Radio Live, filling in for
midnight frequency. Be sure to check out my YouTube channel.
There are hundreds of interviews somewhere between five and six
hundred with virtually everybody you can imagine, from the sixth
Man on the Moon, Edgar Mitchell, to Us Stanton Friedman,
Whitley Strieber, whoever you could think of. Chances are I

(01:10:33):
interviewed him in the last fourteen years. Even Art Bell
was an interview. So with that being said, everybody, thank
you so much doctor Scott for this interview. Carl will
be joining you again next week and we'll all catch
you on the flip side.

Speaker 9 (01:11:28):
By the people to bat at the bo