Dr. Jonathan Reed May 23rd 2026 with Co-Host Dr. J From Dr. J Radio Live.

Dr. Jonathan Reed May 23rd 2026

Topic: Dr. Jonathan Reed’s Alien Encounter and the NEW documentary Contact In The Woods The Dr. Jonathan Reed Story.

One man’s hike ends in a bloody alien encounter. After killing a visitor who killed his dog, Dr. Jonathan Reed captured terrifying evidence before being hunted by dark forces. Dive into the 1996 mystery that remains the world’s most polarizing UFO case. Visit the website below, for photo and video evidance from this encounter.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Good evening, night travelers, and welcome back to midnight frequency
radio with the signals cut through the noise and the
unknown is never off limits. I'm your host, Carl Richardson,
coming to you from the Ozark Foothills in northeast Arkansas,
a place where the night feels just a little deeper
in the silence, sometimes feels like it's listening back now,

(00:57):
before we begin tonight's program, there's a story developing that's
been sending shock waves to the UFO research community. Over
the past several days. Newly released disclosure files and government
documents have once again reignited questions about what officials may
have known for decades regarding unidentified aerial phenomenon, recovered materials,

(01:20):
and encounters the public was never meant to fully understand.
Researchers are pouring over the documents tonight. Some claim the
files contained overlooked references to non human intelligence, unusual biological descriptions,
and reports from military witnesses whose testimonies were buried for
years behind classifications and redactions. And while skeptics continue to

(01:46):
demand harder proof, others are asking very different questions. If
even a fraction of these reports are true, then how
long has the truth really been sitting just beneath the surface.
Because tonight's guest represents one of the most controversial and
unsettling cases ever to emerge from the shadows of UFO history.

(02:07):
The case involving an encounter in the wilderness, a creature
not of this world, an event captured at least in
part on video. Our guest, doctor Jonathan Reed, has a
story that doesn't just challenge what we think we know,
it tears right through it. But that's only the beginning,
because what followed may be even more disturbing. Found artifacts,

(02:29):
strange technologies, and a body of an extraterrestrial being that
may not have vanished into myth at all. Tonight we
ask the questions others won't We examine the evidence. We
confront the gaps, the contradictions, and the possibilities. So dim
the lights, turn up your volume, and keep your eyes
on the shadows, because once you step into this story,

(02:52):
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Speaker 2 (04:15):
I get so last.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Sometimes pus.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
From the Ozark Foothills of northeast Arkansas. Here is Carl
Richardson on Midnight Frequency Radio.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Here, I am, indeed, and I have with me guests
Doctor Jonathan Reid and doctor J from Doctor J Radio.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Good evening, Hello and thank you for having us.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Welcome.

Speaker 6 (04:50):
Thank you, Thank you both, Thank you both for inviting.

Speaker 7 (04:53):
Me with you.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
I guess we'll get right to the questions. Since some
of the listeners may not be familiar with the case.
Doctor Reid, can you take us back to the day
that the incident happened? Where were you and what led
you into the woods?

Speaker 5 (05:09):
Sure, I'll briefly give you a recap. In October fifteenth
of nineteen ninety six, I lived in Seattle, Washington worked
at basically a large facility, a large medical facility adjacent
to the University of Washington called University Washington Medical Center.

(05:33):
I was a developmental psychiatric position, working exclusively with kids,
and a job that I loved. I had gone to
several different universities, graduating with several different degrees, and I'm
essentially in nineteen ninety six having worked for over fifteen years.

(05:58):
I loved my job. I had the American dream as
far as I was concerned, and everything seemed to be
good in my life. Well, on this day, I took
my dog, Susie, a Golden Retriever who was literally my
companion night and day. She loved to interact with other people.

(06:21):
I took her to work with me. She loved patience.
On this day, we got in my jeep in mid
morning and headed to the mountains where we had been before,
where there was a logging trail, an old woods logging
trail that had overgrown but provided a great place to

(06:43):
let your dog off the leash and run and have fun.
And being that this was early October. It was still
warm in the sunshine, and the leaves were turning to golden,
and so we were out walking in a place that
we had been to many times before, seeing deer and

(07:07):
raccoons and squirrels and wildlife that saturated this area. This
was in the upper part of the Cascade Mountains near
Snowqualmie Pass, so it was frequented by many people, but
at this time of the year less less people, so

(07:31):
it may have been one of the last times we
could go before the snow in this area. Snow is
between eight to ten feet each year, which makes this
unaccessible for about three to four months. So we enjoyed
being there. We enjoyed running off the leaf, letting Susie

(07:54):
be in the natural state. Being just a crazy dog
as she was. She'd love to run and bark and
play and run back and very obedient, very gentle animal,
well trained, and just just a delight to have. Anyway,
on this day we were we parked, my jeep, got out,

(08:18):
started walking and walked for about an hour to the
location where she took off running, which wasn't uncommon, and
started barking and chasing something. I didn't know what I
couldn't see her. There's a lot of underbrush, a lot
of hills and valleys, but this wasn't unusual, and she'd

(08:42):
come running back happily after treeing whatever she was running after,
whatever it could be. But on this occasion, her barking
started to change. And if you know your dog's voice
and your accustomed to them, you understand the difference between

(09:03):
playful barking and aggressive sounding barking. And this started to
sound aggressive, like she was in a conflict, possibly with
a wildcat or a small beer, which frequent this area
all the time. So I quickly tried to locate her,

(09:24):
called her name several times she didn't come, which was
very unusual. I set my daypack down on the ground
and picked up a broken tree branch which was about
five feet long and about the size of a large
baseball bat. And I did that because I thought I

(09:46):
might have to untangle her if she was in amongst
some other wild creature, just to separate her from this situation.
But again I still couldn't see her yet because the underbrush,
and I kept calling her name and hearing her barking,
which at this point became very very aware that she

(10:13):
was in some kind of trouble, which was unusual because
she normally wouldn't be aggressive at all. But I could
hear her starting to yelp, as if she was caught
in a situation she couldn't get out of. So I
ran for the sound. I ran toward the sound, trying

(10:33):
to figure out where she was. And I ran up
this hill and I jumped down through the underbrush. And
as I did this, I landed within I would say
four to five feet confronted with this creature, this small.

(10:57):
It was dark because of the overhead canopy, and this
was mid afternoon. I couldn't clearly see what it was
because it was moving so fast. It was a blur.
It was moving like a paint shaker, shaking back and forth.
And then I realized what I was looking at is
this creature was throwing my dog over its head, back

(11:19):
and forth, back and forth, numerous times, so fast that
I could not clearly see it other than this blur.
I ran forward. As I ran forward, this thing started
to kill my dog, tearing at her throat in her head,
literally ripping it apart. It was a terrible, terrible thing

(11:43):
to see. I went into a rage. I grabbed the
branch that I had in my hands, and I swung
it as hard as I could, trying to stop this action,
and I hit the creature in the head, in the back,
the side of its head, splitting its head open, knocking

(12:05):
it to the ground. Instantly, the scene totally came to
a stop. There was no sound, There was no sound
of the air or any of the things that happened
in the forest normally. And I fell to the ground
two not three feet next to this creature that was

(12:28):
bleeding profusely on the ground. I was sick. I was
violently sick at this moment, as if something had hit
me at the same exact moment, but I was I
had no bowel control, I had no bladder control. I
was throwing up. I was gasping for air, and I

(12:52):
couldn't understand why this was happening. I could barely move
off the ground. I was on my stomach on the ground,
unable to get up. My muscle tone was gone, and
I didn't know what was happening. I was afraid. I
was afraid that I was going to die because of

(13:13):
this feeling. So this is how it first started. This
is how this event first started. And in the reality
of it. I sat there for a long time before
I could even get up, and I thought something had

(13:34):
impacted me as well, because it felt like almost like
radiation sickness if anybody knows what that is, but profoundly
nauseated and uncontrolling of any muscle control, or the reality
of being just out of sorts to an extreme. That's

(14:00):
what I initially went through.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
So the physical effects were caused by an external force more.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
Or less well, and at the time, Carl, I didn't
know what that was because this happened so quickly. I
mean from the time that I saw first saw my
dog in conflict with this creature until it was on
the ground, what I assume did was within ten to

(14:31):
twelve seconds, so it all happened extremely fast. And then
when this wave came over me that knocked me down too. Again,
I had no idea what was happening. My reality was gone,
and at this moment I was just in peril, thinking

(14:52):
that I wasn't going to survive.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
When you finally gained your composure, and I'm sure that
took a while from if I witness one of my
pets experience a death like that and then encountered the being,
I would just i'd probably be in a sheer panic.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
Well, I'm sure that that's what happened. I'm sure I
somewhat went into shock, and the only thing I could
think of was stopping the action. Now, I didn't this
was not premeditated. I didn't think, oh, I'm going to
knock something apart or kill something. I'm basically not a

(15:31):
violent person. But this action that I witnessed made me
feel like I had to try to do something, so
I in some respects people say, oh, well, how could
you do this thinking it was a sentient being. Well,
I didn't think it was a sentient being at the moment.

(15:52):
I thought it was an animal. I thought it was
a terribly crazed animal that just ripped my dog apart,
and my dog fell to the ground, not as a
normal solid but as an ash, as a white powdery ash,
like something out of your fireplace. I mean, all of
this made no sense to me. It had thrown my life,

(16:16):
my paradigm out the window, none of what I pre conceived.
And doctor j you can add in here the reality
was gone. My reality was totally gone. So I didn't
know what to think, Doctor Day.

Speaker 6 (16:36):
When you actually touched Freddy with the log or or
the branch. I'm assuming that probably some of the physical
effects that you felt, the nausea and all that stuff,
was probably telepathic communication. Would you agree with that.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
Well, that's a possibility. I mean, that's something that years later,
you know, I've had a chance to think through with
other people, and that is a possibility. But it's also
a possibility that there was another factor going on in
this arena, in this area, And after I had some

(17:13):
time to come to some sense of where I could
sit up, where I could slow my breathing down, I
realized there was something else in this area making a sound,
making a low harmonic tone throughout the forest, and it's
the only other sound I could hear. And I stood

(17:37):
up and would fall down, and I would crawl along
the ground seeing if I could see something, hoping that
it was another hiker, hoping that somebody else was there
who could help me. And there was no one else.
But what I saw through the underbrush, through the trees

(17:58):
was this black object, which I call the obelisk. It
was a black wedge shape about twelve feet long, three
feet wide and two feet high. And the thing about it,
it was making this harmonic tone, and it was so

(18:19):
loud that it felt like it was almost inside of you,
like it was almost touching your backbone.

Speaker 6 (18:27):
It was so the detail, of course, that it wasn't
touching the ground either. This thing was a couple feet
off the ground correct.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
That's right. When I finally was able to walk toward it,
I slipped my footing and kind of fell part way
against it, and then I realized that it was in
fact three feet off the ground. It wasn't floating, it
wasn't moving, but it was definitely suspended off of the

(18:58):
ground landing year no wheels, no pods, no, no nothing.
It was just anchored to the air. It was making
this noise, this tone, and when I touched it, the
tone changed from this kind of a dark sound to

(19:20):
a lighter tone like it it was responsive to me,
and I almost felt like it absorbed me for a
second and then threw me back out that I don't
know if it really happened or not, but that's what
I felt like. But again, I was still sick. I
was sick for days because of what this did to me.

(19:44):
All I can say is it was traumatic. Was extremely traumatic,
not only because none of this made any sense to
me in reality, but also the trauma that was inflicted
on me seeing my dog killed like curl suggest that

(20:05):
this is like a member of your family being torn
apart in front of you, and not just that.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
For everybody listening to this podcast right now, remember this
is all on video. You can actually hear doctor Reed.
I mean struggling for air clearly, and distress and suffering,
and it's all there. You could see Freddie on the ground.
You could see the craft off the ground. So I
just want to throw that out there if anyone's trying
to visualize in their in their head, after this interview

(20:33):
is over, you'll have a chance to see it.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah, there's video video available on YouTube. Still, so let
me in the.

Speaker 6 (20:42):
Video start us. I start playing all the video. But yeah,
it is available all over the internet.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
People people ask me, They said, well, how did you
come to the reality of being calm enough to take
pictures or take a video. Well, it was a matter
of circumstance. I was laying on the ground. I needed
to get some water to try to drink, to try

(21:08):
to calm down. The water was in my daypack, my backpack,
so I crawled back to where I had taken that
off ten or twelve feet beyond where I was laying
on the ground, opened the pack, took out my cameras
to get to my water, drank the water. Sat there

(21:29):
for twenty or thirty minutes, trying to calm down, trying
to console my mind in what all had happened, which,
like I said, there was no reality to it. I
couldn't find anything that made any sense, and my mind
was just spinning. And as I started to calm down,

(21:51):
I realized, oh, my cameras, because I had just reached
in taken them out to get to the water, and
I had my camera in my hand, and I thought, well,
I can take a picture of this body on the ground.
I could take a picture of this because and my
mind started to spin out of control, thinking well, maybe

(22:12):
it's not even here, maybe none of this is real,
so I'll take a picture and maybe nothing will come out.
I don't know. Now, this was in the day prior
to digital photography. This was film photography. I had a
thirty five millimeter film camera with negative film and positive film.

(22:36):
I had a small one of the very first small
camcorders that was non digital, and I thought, well, I
can take a picture of this, and in seeing this
black floating shape again, which defied everything I knew about

(22:57):
reality and circumstance, I thought, okay, well I'll try to
take a picture of this, and chances are it won't
be there, because maybe my mind is just out of control,
maybe none of this is real. So I took my
camcorder out. I took some film of it, of the
body land on the ground of the forest, of this

(23:20):
black shape actually covering three feet off the ground, and
there was distortion in the video. The closer I would
get to this black shape, the more the camcorder would distort.
So I moved back further so there was less distortion.

(23:41):
This camcorder had a viewfinder about a quarter of an
inch square in black and white. So I was literally
holding the camera pointing it in the right direction, hoping
I would get it. Because again I was so sick,
I was throwing up, I was gasping for breath. I

(24:02):
didn't know what was going on. I would fall over.
This was not a gentle circumstance, and I was hoping
that something would come out, and later I found out
that it did. It did come out. This is the
video that I took, which is available for people to see.

(24:27):
It's out there. I've never charged anything for this. I've
never tried to, you know, make it commercial. I think
it's something everybody needs to know. Everybody needs to see
that this kind of thing really does happen, that it
wasn't an illusion. And I know there's a lot of

(24:49):
people out there that have made statements about my case,
about my circumstances, who have tried to say, oh, it's
all folks, that this man isn't a doctor, that they
never went to medical school, that all of the circumstances
were lies and fabrications. Well, let me tell you before this,

(25:15):
before any of this happened, there was no negativity about
my life, about what I had done, about graduating from
San Diego State, UCLA and the University of Washington. I
had good scholastic merits. I had graduated with basically a
three point eight average, and people had gone to my

(25:38):
graduation ceremony. I have interviewed counselors and professors who taught
me at these different schools. I have that information and
that documentation. Because people started to denounce my life, they
started to spread these rumors, and the only reason I

(26:01):
could figure that out. Was because when I first came
out and went public, I showed everybody what I had.
I posted it everywhere I could, and I mean, this
is hard physical evidence, forth clear photographs, not dark, not fuzzy,
not lights in the sky. This is the body in

(26:24):
front of you.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Well, these these photographs and stuff have also been analyzed
by Kodak that they haven't been altered in any way.
You said the case also, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
Thank you for bringing that up, Carl. I was going
to jump that in. So yeah, I'll let you guys
talk about that because that's such an important point. While
you're on the thirty five millimeters. Well and the video
as well.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
That's six.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
And when I first went public, I didn't know what
to do how to do it, and I had a
guy who was an author and a writer helped me
document this case, how to put it together, how to
actually tell people about this story because it was so

(27:12):
complex and I was not a writer, so I needed help.
So this man, Robert Raith, came up from California and
got an apartment and lived in Seattle where I was
able to come back and live with him, and he
could extract this information from me. The book that we

(27:37):
ended up writing called Link and Extraterrestrial Odyssey is still
available on Amazon Kindle people can still get it. It's
a step by step walk through my shoes and what
I experienced in the order that I experienced in it,

(27:58):
in some ways is the best example of how stressed
and how distracted I was, and how people tried to
say none of this was real and that none of
it actually happened. Well, there was an active force of

(28:19):
government agents trying to destroy my life, my credibility, actually
destroyed my career to the point where I can't get licensed,
I can't get refacilitated in a hospital. They've destroyed my
credibility and my ability to work. I mean, they couldn't

(28:44):
destroy the evidence, but they could destroy my credibility, and
that's all they could do.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
The government's operandi seems to follow that anyway. Look at
Bob Bazaar and Betty and Barney Heel absolutely.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
I mean, this is this is nothing new, but the
extreme that they went to. If people try to find
my name out there in the Internet, the first thing
that comes up is all this negative bs.

Speaker 6 (29:20):
Something about that. Obviously there's some that is concerned effort
to debunk you, but there's also people that just don't
pay attention to the evidence. I'll give you an example.
The first time I heard about this case was the
UFO magazine in the late nineties, and even they had
it wrong. They mentioned that the alien was shot and killed. Okay,

(29:40):
people don't look at the evidence, and they just assume
that they know about the case, and because they read
that it's you know, crap, that's what they jump on.
But they don't. This is the probably the most overlooked
case that has the most amount of evidence than any
other case that as a lawyer, I'm gonna trained lawyer

(30:00):
that I would take to a court any day over
any other case.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
Well, as you know, John, and you've done a substantial
amount of research into me and my background and the case.
I tried to do everything that I could do to
show people exactly what happened and what I went through.
If people choose not to believe it, if they choose

(30:26):
to believe that it's only a hoax, that's up to them.
But if you open your mind a little bit further
and see what actually has been has yielded from all
of the evidence, it's an amazing amount of evidence. I
even took two lie detectors, two polygraph examinations which I

(30:50):
passed both of at law enforcement people who administered the test.
This was things that were done above and beyond my
own personality, my own circumstances. The area was tested, the

(31:11):
forest area was tested for bark and dirt and samples
from the arena where this took place. They found exclusive
amounts of a radiation that is never there naturally, a
certain kind of radiation that was permeated into this area.

(31:34):
These tests were done by forensic examination where I didn't
have any control of the outcome. After going on art
Bell several times art Bell Radio and giving interviews about
what had happened and what substantiated, finally there was the

(31:56):
availability of graphics on the Internet where I could post
a lot of my photographs, a lot of the video,
so I got it out as far as I could.
Because of that, I was invited by several other people,
including a journalist in Mexico, Jimi Massan, who basically wanted

(32:21):
to interview me on television and brought me to Mexico
and put me and my teams on television. Did an
interview that was international that aired initially eleven times in
twenty six countries. It was both in English and in Spanish.

(32:42):
They took the evidence that they could, extracted it and
verified it that it was legitimate, that nothing had been
misplaced or mishandled or misrepresented. You can only say that
so many times where people either want to understand what

(33:05):
I went through or they choose not to listen, and
that's totally up to each individual. I always say one thing,
if I had not have personally witnessed and experienced what
I did with this creature and what took place in
the aftermath, I wouldn't believe it either, because it's so bizarre,

(33:29):
it's so unbelievable. I understand when people have difficulty believing it,
because for a long time I didn't want to believe
it either. I actually kept telling myself this just could
not have happened this way. But it did, and what
happened afterwards was ongoing. What I haven't said is after

(33:56):
what I thought killing this creature, and I say, his
head was split open with a two inch hole all
the way down to his brain where it broke the skin,
the sinew, and the bone, exposing his inner cranial material.
I thought he was dead, and I took that body,

(34:18):
wrapped it up and was going to hide it somewhere
where I could later bring back somebody else, someone and
other people to help me to deal with to understand it.
But I couldn't find a place to put it, so
I just wrapped it up in a thermal blanket that

(34:39):
I had an emergency thermal blanket because I didn't want
to touch it. It was a mess, it was covered
in blood. I just didn't want to touch it. So
I put the thermal blanket around it and wrapped it
up like you would roll up a sleeping bag, tied
my straps from my pack around it, and started to

(35:02):
carry it back toward where my jeep was parked.

Speaker 6 (35:07):
What one minor detail you forgot about, John, You grabbed
something that was with the body that you brought and
I'm assuming was in your backpack on the way to
the car. Right, Can you talk about that?

Speaker 5 (35:17):
Laying laying next to the body was a silver cuff
like about the size of a big Coca Cola can,
and it looked bent was it had an angle to it.
It was silver, And when I saw it the under
the brush right next to the body, I actually first

(35:39):
thought that it was I know in some respects it
doesn't make sense. But my mind said, oh, it's silver,
it's bent, and it reminded me of a Coca Cola can.
But I picked it up and it wasn't. It was
some other piece of metal that had symbols on it.

(36:00):
There were some black raised symbols across it, and that
that made no sense to me. But I just put
it in with the body. As I rolled it up,
and I thought, okay, I'll bring that back. I'll bring
that back to where it can be stored. And I

(36:21):
kept looking for a place to put this bundle.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
I have a picture of the I believe you call
it a link device.

Speaker 5 (36:30):
Yes, I have a link artifact.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Artifact.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
I have a picture of that up on a live
stream so viewers can be it all.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
And for people. I mean, this story is ongoing. After
I came home, after I drove up into my car port,
I realized my dog was not there where she always
said was sitting next to me, and in the rearview
mirror I could see the thermal blanket where I had
lifted this thing into the back of the sheet and

(37:01):
closed the door. And now I was home and I
was thinking, what am I going to do with this body.
It's dead, it's going to start decomposing. And I thought,
I don't I don't want to bury it. I don't
want it in my house. I don't, you know. I thought, Okay,
I opened my garage. I opened the garage and there

(37:21):
was my freezer, a small chest freezer, and I thought, okay,
it's dead meat. If I freeze it, it'll stop decomposing.
So what I did is I lifted the basket that
had some frozen food in it, lifted that out, and
just set the entire wrapped body into the freezer and

(37:45):
closed the door and went in the house. I didn't
want to deal with it. I didn't want to think
about it. It was insanity to me. And I was
so sick and so messed up at the time. I
just wanted to go. And I stood in the shower
with all my clothes on because I was a mess.

(38:07):
I was just covered in sickness, and so I stood
in the shower for I don't know how long, and
just peeled off the layer to my clothes and cleaned
up the best I could. And nobody was there. I
was alone. I made some phone calls. I called my girlfriend.

(38:29):
She wasn't home. I called my best friend Gary. I
said he wasn't home either. This was in the day
and age of answering machines, this was prior to cell
phones books nineteen ninety six. So I left messages. I said,
call me my dog Susie is dead. I made your help.

(38:51):
Come over, please help me. I'm really sick. And that's
how it started. That's how this all started. My friend
Gary came over. We talked. Of course, he didn't believe
the story, but I had the videotape and I took
it out of the camera and played it into my

(39:13):
television and there it was clear as day. The black craft,
the woods, the body laying on the ground with blood,
it was. It was all there to see. Unbelievable as
it was there it was, and he still felt I

(39:34):
was spinning out of control. My mind was just going crazy.
And I finally said, come with me, Come with me
to my garage, and I said, you'll see, and he
walked behind me to my garage. I opened the freezer,

(39:59):
took out the body, laid it on the floor of
the garage at that time, and showed him what this was.
And he was just uncontrollably dazed, as if he'd seen
a ghost. His attitude changed. He kept saying, oh my god,

(40:21):
Oh my god, what is this? What have you done?
What have you found? And I said, this is what happened.
This is all I can say. I don't know what
it is. I don't know what happened. And he started
to say he thought he knew what this was. And
I said, I don't want to think about that. I

(40:42):
don't want to I don't want it closer to me
in my mind. And he said, well, this has got
to be some kind of alien, you know. And I
said I don't want to think about that. I don't
want to know that. But he was sure, and he
said he'd read about these kind of things. And for
the next few days that's what we did. We talked

(41:04):
about what do we do, who do we talk to,
who do we confide in? Who can we take this
body too? I mean I thought about taking it to
the university in the biology department and letting them dissect it.
I thought of all of these things, and within the
next seventy two hours, we started the process of finding

(41:27):
out who to talk to and who we could confide in,
and who would understand these circumstances, and it was a
living nightmare to try to deal with this.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
At some point, the creature you found out wasn't actually deceased.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
I had been taking the body out of the freezer,
unwrapping it and showing it to colleagues, to my family members.
I had done this many, many times, and on the
third day I had made arrangements to have another professor
come and look at what I had found. Somebody I

(42:16):
knew well, somebody who had known me for years in
the hospital, somebody I trusted. Because I needed help. I
didn't understand any of this, and I wanted other people's opinion.
I figured out if I could bring other people into this,
they could help me find some reality to this nightmare.

(42:38):
So he had called earlier, said he'd be over at
a certain time. I went out to the garage and
set up a table, a portable table to lay the
body on, with a big light over it, and all
of a sudden he called and canceled. He said, Jonathan,
I cannot be there. I don't know that you should

(42:59):
be doing this. Maybe this is going to, you know,
disrupt your life, but I don't want it to disrupt mine.
He was angry, on the phone, and this made no
sense to me. Why would he be doing this, This
was not like him to do this. So after the
phone call, I went out to the garage put away

(43:21):
the table and the light, and as I was doing that,
I heard this sound in the garage, this scratching or
rubbing sound, and I thought, could rats have gotten in
my garage? This was an older freezer. Was the compressor
going out on the freezer? I didn't know. So the

(43:42):
only way I could identify that is I thought, well,
there's a thermometer right inside the door as you open
the top of the freezer, and if the temperature is rising,
then I know the compressor is going out. That's probably
a sound I'm hearing. So I raised the lid, and
as I raised the lid, this thing, this creature sat

(44:06):
up out of the middle of the thermo blanket with
his head right in front of me, screaming so loud
that it pushed me back. It actually physically forced me
back in the garage to the wall, and this terrible,
terrible dynamic scream and self defense. Yes I'm sure, anger,

(44:32):
Yes I'm sure. And the only thing I thought of
is it's going to kill me. Next that'll be the
next thing it's going to attack, jump out of here
and attack me. So I ran into my house. My
garage was separated by a yard. I ran through the yard,
ran into my house, slammed the door, and just panting,

(44:54):
just being scared to death that this thing was going
to come and kill me because I tried to kill it.
I thought it was dead, and now it's not dead.
Now it's just angry and screaming. This was insanity to me.
I called my friend Gary, I said, we have a

(45:15):
bigger problem, and he came over and I took him out,
and I went into the garage timidly because thinking hoping
that maybe this thing had run away, and no, it
was in the freezer. The lid was closed, and I
opened the freezer with a broom handle, and as I did,

(45:40):
it sat up and started screaming at both of us, again,
pinning us almost physically to the wall inside the garage.
We ran out of there. We didn't close the freezer,
I didn't close the door to the garage, ran in
the house, slammed the door, and sat there in my
kitchen for a long time without saying anything, looking each

(46:04):
other like both of us were out of our minds.
But nevertheless, this really happened. This happened exactly like that.
And so we sat, go ahead, Carl, I have.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
A copy of the recording.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
Well you do.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
I need to go into a break and as soon
as we come back, I will play that and you
can give your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
That's fine, that's fine. Like I said, it was a
nightmare from hell.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
It was definitely that. And I'd be like you, I'd
just be totally sick. We'll take the break in, We'll
be right back.

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Speaker 1 (53:16):
I'm Joshua s.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
Dark coming to you at the speed of light in

(54:08):
the darkness. This is Midnight Frequency Radio with Carl Richardson.
Now here's Carl.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Welcome back to the show.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
Thank you for having.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
Us, and yes, of course for having me too.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Like I was saying, I have a copy of the
recording and I'd like to play it for the listeners
and hope it plays right, because you know how this
stuff goes. It works in rehearsal, but never on the
real show. So let me try it out here once again.

Speaker 7 (54:37):
I will hold on. Okay, here it comes.

Speaker 6 (54:57):
O, my god, awf art.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
All right, I hope that played.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
I've got it did, but the volume was like zero.

Speaker 6 (55:09):
Well for us probably, it's probably louder for them.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Okay, yeah, I didn't have it run to the studio
monitor for feedback reasons.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
So anyway, it's extremely unnerving the sound that it made.
Now finally quit making the sound.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
But and like Art said on his show, God that's awful.

Speaker 5 (55:33):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Did you do any DNA analysis on the alien or
at any point?

Speaker 5 (55:40):
Yes, Well, while I assumed he was dead and I
was taking him in and out of the freezer to
shore colleagues and friends and family members, I decided that
I would go ahead, since there was a gaping wound
in his head, that I I would extract some tissue

(56:03):
and some blood samples and go ahead and take it
and have it analyzed. And I had access to one
of the best pathologists in the country, who was somebody
I had had lunch with several times who worked in
the same building that I did at the University Medical Center.

(56:24):
So I made a phone call to him and I said,
I have some tissue and blood samples that I would
like to have you analyze. Would that be possible? She
said sure. He said it'll take about a week. Now,
you have to remember this was in nineteen ninety six.
This was before they had chrome zone testing in computers,

(56:46):
so all of this had to be done by hand.
So they took the samples. I took them to him.
I had stored them in a freezer, keeping them the
sterile and a content as possible without disturbing the properties
of the science. I took them to him. He took

(57:09):
them to his lab and again it took about a week,
and he called me up and he said, Jonathan, would
you come into my office please? We need to talk
talk And I said sure, and so I went in
and tired. He said, what is this? Where did you

(57:31):
get this material? And I said, well, I got it
in the woods, in the forest. And I didn't tell
him that I had the body. I didn't tell him
what it was or what I thought it was. I
wanted him to tell me what his analysis would come

(57:52):
up with. And he said, look, I'm going to tell
you something. None of this makes sense to me, He says,
because we did a chromosome study on it and it
came up with forty six chromosomes exactly like humans have,

(58:12):
but nine of the pair were different, were absolutely not human.
And he said, the closest reference we could come up
with in looking at all of the database that we
have in the United States, the closest reference was sea
tortoise and dolphin that were part of these nine pair.

(58:35):
He said, some of the blood analysis was so different.
There was no it was nucleated blood cells and the
white cells were extremely different. There was a high concentration
of copper in the blood, which is not characteristic of

(58:57):
any other creature that we could find. And he said,
it's a totally different structure, different matrix structure. He had
done the analysis, he kicked out all of the well,
let's just say the statistics on paper of their analysis,

(59:17):
and they're only finding things that they could come up
with that it was a completely new specie that they'd
never seen before, that there was no reference to ever before.
And he said, Johnathan, he said, I'm going to publish
this because it's an important find. But he said, again,

(59:37):
I'm going to ask you, where did you come up
with these samples because it's like no other that he'd
ever seen. And he said, you can't manufacture this. You
can't mix the blood or mix the tissue samples to
assume you're going to create something new. It doesn't work

(59:57):
like that. And in those days, we didn't have crisper
or we didn't have any of the scientific ability to
get into the DNA and into the chromosoone structure. We
didn't have that in nineteen ninety six. And I said, well,
I found this in the forest. It was part of

(01:00:19):
a part of the creature that I had come across.
And he said, well, he said, it's like nothing that
I've ever seen before. And he said, you have to
let me publish this, and so I said, yes, absolutely,
you may publish this. And he was an accredited pathologist,

(01:00:44):
I mean actually world famous doctor, Roger Hagett was his name.
And three days after, actually two days after he had
shown me this material, I got a call from his
secretary who informed me that somebody had come into their office,

(01:01:07):
where Roger's office was on a different floor from where
I worked, same building, come in and killed Roger, shot
him in the head and then killed himself.

Speaker 6 (01:01:22):
Oh my god, then, and that's not the only person,
as you'll get to later, that were affected by this case. Unfortunately.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
Well, and then the secretary said, and then within ten
minutes of after this event had happened, he said, all
these all these military like police came in and confiscated
his computer, all his files, his physical paper files, and

(01:01:53):
everything he had. In fact, they had even gone to
his house and confiscated things of his and his wife's,
taking all evidence there was that he ever had these samples. Now,
there were other people involved, and other people were also murdered,

(01:02:17):
and I'm using the term murdered to restrict the ability
to have knowledge to expose this information. Other technicians.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
My listener said that that audio didn't come through. I'm
going to replay it. I've set it up in a
different format.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
Okay, But anyway, this was a perfect example of how government,
and I use that term loosely, how dark agents tried
to cover all of this up immediately by even murdering suspects.
And this is not an illusion, this is not a hoax.

(01:03:01):
You can look these people up, you know, in records,
and see that doctor Roger Hagett was killed in his office.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
The government knows no bounds on what they'll do.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
I don't, don't, And for thirty years I've been dealing
with this, with all of the negativity, all of the propaganda,
the saturation of negative information.

Speaker 6 (01:03:27):
This your own assassination attempts. Don't forget that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
That's a huge one, right, I mean even you know,
a couple of weeks ago, I was shot at again
while we were getting out of a car where I
happened to be staying. And I mean, this is reality,
this is my reality. Do I think they want to

(01:03:50):
kill me. I can't believe that, because that would make
me a martyr. I think they want to silence me.
I think they want to scare me, which is the
constant process of doing everything they can do to manufacture
events and circumstances to get me to stop talking. Look,

(01:04:16):
I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything. I'm trying
to tell you what happened to me, trying to explain
the circumstances and the events that happened around my life
and my situation with this creature who later on revived,

(01:04:41):
came back, and I have since created a relationship with it.
I know, as strange as that sounds, it was presented
to me. It was an opportunity, and I felt like
it was necessary to understand what was going on with

(01:05:02):
this creature and with our lives. Why are we being visited?
Why is this a negative? Why does government restrict information
from us? It just doesn't make sense to me. It's science,
if nothing else, And I've tried my best to give

(01:05:26):
away all the evidence to show what's happened, what continues
to happen, and that I've been in communication for thirty
years and have developed a database of information of the
life of this being that I call Freddie, and I

(01:05:49):
believe there's a lot to be learned here. I believe
that humans have made a lot of mistakes that we
can correct, that we can actually gain from this experience.
They are probably a million years advanced from us. He
is a hybrid human. He is basically a biological created

(01:06:16):
being that was born in our atmosphere on planet Earth
to work within our atmosphere and our environment so that
he could survive the biology and the resistance. I mean,
We've spent millions of years growing through this learning to

(01:06:41):
survive all of the bacteria that lives and breathes in
our atmosphere. They haven't. So the only way they could
do that was to have one a hybred that it
was designed to live and work in this environment. And
that's what he is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
All right, let me replay this audio and then there's
some other items we need to go into. Hold on,
just say.

Speaker 7 (01:07:07):
Sure once again, I will hold on. Okay, here it comes.

(01:07:29):
Oh my god, awful.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Okay, it came through that time. I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
Okay, but I could hear art Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Yeah, the earlier time it was more muscled, but I
knew I could still hear it lower though.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:07:49):
All the original radio interviews that I did that were
initially art Bell are still available. You can still hear them,
and you can tell you know that my life was
in turmoil, turmoil at this time. I mean, doctor j

(01:08:10):
you understand that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:12):
Yeah, if I uh, since I was there to help
you when the filmmakers came.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
There's an incident that took place when we were filming
contact in the woods and where I had been staying.
You had come to visit me, and when you left
a few hours later, there happened to be plotters in
your car, almost as if someone was either cutting the
brakes or letting us know that you are being followed,

(01:08:38):
not to mention you were followed on the way to
see me one day.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
Yeah, this is a it's a it's a continual process
of caression and I believe that's it's intimidation, and that's
what's all I wanted to do the most. But I
have to say, and this is the truth. In thirty years,
there's been fourteen people who I consider teammates and family

(01:09:08):
members who in one way or another, their life was
ended because of these circumstances. Some of them directly murdered,
some of them run off the road, some of them shot.
I mean, there's no other conclusion. It's on the record.

(01:09:28):
These people were alive well and gave a great part
of their life to help me, just to help me survive.
And this can't be you know, covered over. It's a reality.
It's a reality I have to live with every day
of my life since it's happened.

Speaker 6 (01:09:52):
Speaking of the people who are killed on your team,
I think now would be a good time, Jonathan to mention,
because this is really important, who else was on the
team that Because there was a crap group of people
that were on this team, I mean within ufology, it
had every legend you can imagine, so I think we
should talk about that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
Well. When I first came out and went public, I
was invited to go to Laughlin, Nevada for the International
UFO Congress, where I was introduced to some of the
greatest researchers and people in the world in the community,

(01:10:35):
people I had never known prior to this, but who
I got to know very well during this time. They
all said as a group that they wanted research done
on my case, called textbook research, where they could document
all of these issues and all the items that happened.

(01:10:57):
So they set out these people, them Wendell Stevens, Colonel
Wendell Stevens, Donald Ware, Bob Dean, Robert Dean, Robert o'dean,
and Dan mclvoy senior and Jimi Masson all jointly said

(01:11:20):
that they would create a textbook case of my that
they could study, that they could find the evidence, that
they could talk to people who were involved, and after
finding out that all of my records were destroyed, all
of my credentials were destroyed, saying that I never went

(01:11:42):
to any university, that I never graduated, that I never
was taught and was part of this medical school University
of Washington Medical School and the medical facility. All of
that was erased as if I never existed, and these
people set forward, set out to prove that I did exist,

(01:12:07):
that I did go to these colleges, these universities and
find people who knew me and realized and recognized that
I was there going to school, working in this facility,
and that I was a physician actively working at the time.
And it took two years for Dan McAvoy Senior to

(01:12:31):
walk in my shoes literally behind me everywhere I went
the United States, South America, Mexico, Japan, where I had
the link artifact analyzed by metallurgists who basically said that
it is a physical biological interface between biology and mechanics,

(01:12:56):
That it was some kind of an active device, was interpowered,
that had a pulse of radiation every seven seconds that
they couldn't identify, That it's made of multiple layers of
metal and fiber like a plant leaf fiber that literally

(01:13:18):
had veins of active memory inside of itself. That it
is some kind of a controller and or a communication device.
And later we found out that it has other properties,
that it's literally a telet transport device that is workable

(01:13:39):
that is active where I actually produced a video on
camera in a television studio with other people, with other
people witnessing it, two hundred people with witnessing what happened.
And of course all this has been denounced and stated

(01:14:05):
that it was faith. And I challenge anybody, Okay, if
it's faith, make one do it. Make it. Make a
film that has this ability where you use no special
effects none.

Speaker 6 (01:14:21):
Can I say something about that real quick?

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
Jonathan, Yeah, everybody.

Speaker 6 (01:14:26):
About the analysis of the film, I found the best
one to be if people are a fan of the
Wi fi is one of the biggest channels on UFOs
right now. The guy's a big skeptic and how he
ends up a lot of times on cases even I
believe is either in the middle or he doesn't believe it.
But when he covered Jonathan's case, which was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Titled Alien in the Freezer and it was one of
the three segments of Arts Campfire Stories, he said, this
case happened and without a shadow of a doubt, and
most importantly, a doctor in nineteen ninety six, without the
resources of a major Hollywood studios like Universal Warner Brothers

(01:15:07):
would have had to make such a dolt to look alive,
the way it was glistening, and its eyes, the way
it was breathing asymmetrically. I highly suggest anyone check that
out when this is over, because what Jonathan is saying,
without special effects, it's beyond that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:25):
Even a Hollywood studio in that era would have a
hard time making a doll to breathe in such a way,
even if they put a motor in there, it just
wouldn't be symetric.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Even in a video, you can see its eyes blink, that's.

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
Right, and its faithful muscles contort. Yes, people have to
realize that this is a process, an ongoing process that
I had to go through. This wasn't all done overnight.
This was done over a period of years. But even
the years that it was done over, there was not
an availability of computer special effects at that time. The

(01:16:05):
only one doing computer special effects was Spielberg and George Lucas.
And I didn't know any of those people. I didn't
know anybody from Hollywood or anything. And I was lucky
to be able to do my own email at the time.
You know, I'm so computer illiterate. But the facts remain

(01:16:28):
is there's so many there's some much evidence that goes
along with this. In other words, if it didn't happen,
how did I get the video? If the video is fake,
how did I get the DNA and the chromosome study?
If that wasn't enough, Do you think I killed the

(01:16:52):
guy who did the chromosome study the guy that died,
I mean, is on and on and on, and I
have that I wasn't even anywhere near this place when
this doctor was killed and these other people.

Speaker 6 (01:17:09):
And if this was fake, would you have an extraterrestrial
artifact where the metal has been analyzed and shows metals
not from this Earth, unidentifiable and the ones that are
cannot even be made in the combinations they are, or
the purities they are in Earth, or even on gravity exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
I mean, there is an abundance of physical evidence. And
people say, oh, well, the photographs aren't physical evidence. Yes
they are. They were made on filmed they were not
made out of digital technology, and so it is physical
as and they've been analyzed by true professionals that I

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have no control over what they say. himI Mason, who
took me to Mexico, who did this television interview with me,
which is the first place ever in history to show
an artifact that was made off of this earth, not
of human beings. I mean, there's all kinds of information

(01:18:18):
behind the scenes that happened where people tried to hurt us,
feel us. He hired the presidential guard to take care
of my team that went to Mexico City. We had
the entire top floor of the Fiesta Americano hotel sanctioned
off for us, with the guards who literally were in

(01:18:41):
all the rooms next to us, who protected us. We
went after we did this program, we went out into
the public where they celebrated that we were there, that
we did this, that we exposed this information and gave
it to the people of the world by showing them

(01:19:04):
everything we had. I mean, this had never been done
before ever, and this was in two thousand and No
interview had ever been done like this. Jimi's team, Jimi's
son from Mexico, the journalist, flew to Seattle with a
team of experts. I took them to the exact site

(01:19:28):
in the forest where they took samples of the trees
and the dirt and the ground and the foliage and
all took it back and did forensic examination showing that
something had happened in this site in the three hundred
foot circle, and.

Speaker 6 (01:19:46):
I add something in that happened at the site when
you were filming your documentary, and your partner showed me
where this incident happened. After of course you pointed it out,
and I brought a compass the the exact location where
the obelisk was floating or off anchored into the air,

(01:20:07):
and where the body of Freddy was. The compass was
going crazy yep, right.

Speaker 5 (01:20:17):
Well, the area that this is in, you know, and
all this I've learned after the fact by people who
are geologists, and basically Freddy was a geologist. The alien
this area is in huge amounts of granite and and

(01:20:37):
fairide from the mountain the mountains. This is in the mountains.
This isn't in a valley you know, down below. This
is actually up into the mountains at you know, four
thousand feet above sea level. And all of this iron,
fair eye and granite and and has huge amounts of

(01:21:00):
crystal in it and causes a huge amount of magnetic distortion.
So that's one of the reasons that the compass just
basically spins out of control. But I didn't know any
of that prior to this. I mean, who does, who
knows that kind of thing, who understands, And why would

(01:21:22):
they be studying this geology. Well, the Earth is a
ongoing living thing. It is changing all the time, and
they are concerned about the geology of the planet and
this is one of the duties. And why he was
in the mountains the black thing that I call the obelisk.

(01:21:49):
Some people say, oh, it was a ship, and I've
never professed that it was a ship. I always said, well,
maybe it's a toolbox, maybe it's somebody else. Well, maybe
it's a doorway between different dimensions. Maybe that gave them
access because it didn't move the entire time I was there.
It couldn't be moved. I mean, I'm two hundred plus

(01:22:13):
founds and I got on top of it and you
couldn't move it a fraction of an inch. It was
like it was glued anchored to the air. And physicists
say that if we had the ability to go from
one dimension to another, there would be a portal, there
would be an access point that you would enter to

(01:22:36):
change dimensions. Some people believe that's what this is. It
was a representation of a doorway from one dimension to another. Now,
all I know it was there. It felt like it
realized I was there, And at one point I felt
that that low, ebbing harmonic tone was looking for the alien,

(01:23:02):
who at the time was unconscious I thought dead, but
it was unconscious and it couldn't find him, and so
it found me moving around, and for a second and
maybe half a second, it may have actually absorbed me
and then thrown me back out, realizing that I wasn't

(01:23:24):
the alien that he was supposed to be taking care of.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
Well the people that are interested in this story. I
would like to go into the documentary Contact in the Woods,
the doctor Jonathan Reid's story.

Speaker 5 (01:23:40):
It's a brand new it's a brand new documentary. People
had been after me for three or four years trying
to say this should be done, This should be understood
and investigated, that my life should be understood better, and

(01:24:02):
they decided how to do this. This was not my design.
I didn't come up with the concept. People from the
film industry, from documentary industry had come to me and said,
we want to do this, will you will you allow
us to do this? And I finally, after turning them

(01:24:27):
down for years, I finally agreed to it as long
as they would be respective toward my friends, my family
and the circumstances in which I have to exist, and
they agreed to that. So this, this documentary should be

(01:24:49):
coming out about in June. At some time. There may
be a trailer that is presented ahead of time about
this documentary. It's called Contact in the Woods, the Doctor
Jonathan Reid's Story. It's well done. All I told them

(01:25:13):
after I saw it that the only thing they needed
was better talent. But that's the you know, I'm the
talent that they chose. But it's a it's very different.
It's it's not a normal documentary. I consider it to
be part one because I think there will be additional

(01:25:37):
additional parts to it where we will, you know, show
more of the evidence, talk more about the other people involved.
But this was this was a design to basically show
people that I was still alive. How this had affected me.

(01:26:00):
You know, I'm not a young man anymore, and it has,
you know, after thirty years of dealing with this, the
negative propaganda, the issue of dealing with an extraterrestrial that
visits me unannounced a lot of times. It has left

(01:26:24):
its mark on my life, on my personality, and I
have to apologize that in some ways it crippled me
because I wish I could be more forthright, more outgoing.

(01:26:45):
But all I can do is tell the story of
what has happened to me, the truth about what it
has done, and how it has affected me in my
life in some ways. I hope that it helps other
people that have dealt with similar circumstances. Because it's traumatics,

(01:27:09):
it's mind blowing. I understand why some people can't handle
it at all and have chosen, you know, other avenues
to not deal with it. I must say that I've
learned a great deal and I hope that it has

(01:27:31):
helped other people too. I hope that it will by
exposing myself in this way. Look, I didn't choose to
do this in my life. I was real happy before
any of this happened to me. I loved my dog
and I miss her terribly. She was like a child

(01:27:55):
to me, and to see her killed in front of
my eyes was the most terrible thing I could ever imagine.
But I must say what I can only imagine is
that is that Robert, my co author of the book
that I that we wrote that is still available, he

(01:28:19):
told me something once and it made an impression. Right
after we gave a lecture in Laughlin, Nevada at the
International UFO Congress. It was where we were supposed to
speak for about forty five minutes to an hour. I

(01:28:42):
ended up speaking for three hours NonStop, showing all the photographs,
showing the videos both in the woods and at home,
what I call an analysis video of where I unwrapped
the body at home, where people can see that he
was moving and blinking at the time that I didn't realize.

(01:29:06):
I showed all of that and people were captivated. People
were glued to their seats and didn't want to leave.
Normally it's a four hundred people audience. We had eight
hundred and ninety people standing in the aisles and watching this.
They had never had a bigger lecture of attendance ever

(01:29:33):
a woman. Afterwards, we left the auditorium, my team and
I and security. We left there and we went to
get something to eat in the hotel. And as we
were going and we went in and sat down, the

(01:29:54):
matre d came back and talked to Robert and asked
him if he would come out because he had an issue.
Robert left, Robert came back and said, Jonathan, there's a
woman here waiting to talk to you with her daughter.
And I said okay, and so I took security and

(01:30:19):
there she was standing in the entrance of this this restaurant,
and I introduced myself and I said hello, and she
said hello, and introduce me to her little daughter, who
was like seven, And she said, I'm sorry to bother you,
but I want you to know something. She said, I

(01:30:41):
want you to know that we came here today specifically
to hear you. We had heard you on the radio
with Art Bell. We had listened to every word you
ever said. And she said, I came here today because
I didn't believe it was real. She said, I really
didn't believe that what you had experienced was real, or

(01:31:05):
that you were even real. And she says, because we planned,
I plan to go home and kill myself, my daughter,
because we can't deal with this insanity, because it's happened
to us too, that they had been visited by extraterrestrials

(01:31:26):
several times, and that I'd driven her literally out of
her mind. And she said, after listening to you, after
seeing what you brought forth, and listening to your testimony,
she said, you made me believe that it's important enough

(01:31:46):
to be able to tell other people that this happened,
that we weren't crazy, that I'm not out of my
mind insane, and that I should live for my daughter's
sake and be able to tell the story. And she said,
thank you for giving us this hope, this ability to

(01:32:10):
rationalize something that has been so irrational that it obviously
had changed everybody's life who was part of this the
witnessing of it. But she said, thank you, You've saved
our life. That woman and her daughter contacts me every

(01:32:31):
year just before Christmas, and I always get a card
from them. And the little girl at the time was
like seven years old, and now thirty years later, you know,
she's an adult, but she still contacts me. She still
tells me how important it was that her and her

(01:32:52):
mother got to see me in person and listen to
this testimony, which she said made them understand that life
is important and that these issues need to be realized
and understood. And she said, you saved our lives. So

(01:33:14):
when people say why did you do this, that's the
best example I can give you of why this is
important that I tell people that are willing to listen
to what happened to me. That's the best example I
can give you that says why I continue to do
this and what else can I do. They took away

(01:33:37):
my ability work. They took a way am I licensing
to be able to work as a physician. I can't
get it back. I've tried for years to get retested
in other states and even in other countries, but this
is the fact of the dark government suppression that carries

(01:33:59):
on even to this day. So I say to everybody
who has an experience, be careful how you deal with it,
be careful who you trust afterwards, and I'm here for
you to contact. You can always contact me. There's always sources.
I'm on Facebook, you know, as old as it is.

(01:34:22):
I'm available and I have continued to be available for
people who needed to talk because I understand that. I
understand that it's necessary to be able to confide in
someone else that maybe has a similar understanding of what

(01:34:42):
they're going through. So that's what I've dedicated my life
to because I have had no other opportunity to do
anything else. So that's what I continue to do.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Well, Doctor Reid, I appreciate you relating your experience with
us and and I, for one believe it. I have
no reason to doubt it. And doctor j did you
have anything you'd like to add?

Speaker 6 (01:35:08):
No, The only thing I could say is, you know,
you can basically get the overview of this case in
an hour and a half or two, or even compress
it to an hour, but it takes. Remember this case
was investigated for years.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
I have three interviews spanning about nine hours with Jonathan,
and we're still going to do more because it's fun enough.
And there's also dozens, if not hundreds of hours over
the years I still talked about this case, so there's
going to be more to come. But there's a lot
already out there that I suggest people check out the
three that I did, because I also play all the

(01:35:42):
content there, the videos, pictures, some pictures that couldn't show,
for instance, of Jonathan being shot. He has been shot
when he said assassination attempts.

Speaker 6 (01:35:51):
Literally in the car, his driver was killed and he
was hit himself. I mean graphic enough where I couldn't
even show him on YouTube.

Speaker 5 (01:36:00):
He wasn't playing I think three times. Three times. I've
been shot physically and run off the road numerous times,
and things I haven't talked about. I was taken, beat up,
thrown in a van, and basically kidnapped for three days
and tortured in ways that I can't identify because it's

(01:36:24):
too graphic. But if people think that this is just
that I'm just some guy on the weekends creating a
little story, they're wrong. They're wrong. I mean, this is
my life. This is the only thing I have to
live with. And four it's ongoing. It's not just something

(01:36:49):
that happened in nineteen ninety six. It continues to happen
all the time. I mean, Freddy was here four days ago.
He morphed into my house where other people have seen him,
the house that I was staying in. Uh, He's followed
me around the world, and like we've said, there's been

(01:37:11):
numerous other people who have witnessed this and where Freddy
has shown up in front of them in their house
or their business, thousands of miles away from me. So
it isn't me projecting something out of my you know,
caller or sleeve. It's a reality that we can't escape.

(01:37:34):
But people have to understand. The audience needs to understand
this could happen to any one of you, and you
would be left with the same feelings that I have
of what do I do, who do I talk to?
Who can I trust? You know, do I speak to
anybody about this? Because it's unnerving. It's even unnerving to

(01:37:56):
me after thirty years. It's not natural to have some
little gray, blue creature or alien morph into your life
and talk to you with telepathy for forty five minutes
and then morph out of your reality. It's just not normal,

(01:38:17):
but it is part of my life. Doctor Reda.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
I'd really like to have you back, because there's more
to this story. There's when you're your house was invaded.

Speaker 5 (01:38:27):
In ransacked, yes and no, Well, I would love I
would love to tell more, and I would love to
tell your audience how much I appreciate them listening and
trying to understand, trying to put their their self in
my position to better understand what this has been like

(01:38:52):
for me and for other people. It's an ongoing story.
You know, it's not just about me, but it's about
all of us making changes in our lives. I mean,
even if you look at the local news nowadays, you're
getting saturated with what they're calling, you know, disclosure. I

(01:39:12):
call it drip drip, drip, because it's so controlled, they're
not showing what I can show you. I mean, I
can show you the living being itself, both on video
and in photographs. They're showing lights in the sky and
you know, a light ball flying over the water, and

(01:39:35):
those are all important things, don't get me wrong. Those
are all things we can identify, and possibly we've seen
several many of them have seen lights in the sky.
But I know what the public wants to know is
who's driving these these ships, what's inside of them? Where

(01:39:59):
are they come from? And I know a lot of
that detail. I mean, after thirty years of having communication,
I've asked all those questions, where are you from, why
are you here, what are you doing? How is this
going to affect humanity? I have asked all those questions,
and we can go through that another on another presentation.

(01:40:23):
But I just want to say, Carl and doctor j
thank you so much for this opportunity and for letting
me share my life with you and your audience. All
I can say is God bless us all, and please
take care of each other, because in this day and age,

(01:40:45):
that's all we have left is each other.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Thank you, well, thank you. It's been an honor having
you and Doctor J. It's been an honor having you
on the show. Thank you, and we look forward to
doing this more in the future. Like to say, it's
this more to the story. And I know you were
limited a certain amount of time tonight. I'm sure it's
late where you're at, and so we'll have you back,

(01:41:09):
that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:41:11):
It's been an honor for me. Thank you so much everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
Thank you you all. Have a good evening.

Speaker 6 (01:41:16):
I was hoping they're playing my channel. Go ahead, Oh okay, Well,
I hope everyone checks out on YouTube Doctor J Radio Live,
DRJ Radio Life. Not just the Jonathan Reid interviews.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
There's about six hundred interviews of any upologists you can imagine.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
And then so all right, Doctor Reid has lost a
new website, and I have the link on my Midnight
Frequency dot net page. That's all one word. You can
go there and click it. It's still work and progress.
There's a lot of photos that have to be added
and some more information and video links and everything else.
So feel free to go to Midnight Frequency dot Net,

(01:41:54):
click on the link, and the site. Like I say,
over the next few days, I'll get more thanks posts
into it.

Speaker 6 (01:42:01):
And June nineteenth, Contact in the Woods and you'll be
able to see the trailer soon on the website that
Carl made.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
And not to mention, there'll be a link to the
movie itself on June nineteenth as well on the website.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
And I got to pre screen the movie, and let
me tell you something, it's a must watch. It covers
all this and has the video footage of the link,
dimensional shift and alien footage that was recorded. I know
some of it's been cleaned up with AI, but it
hasn't been altered. So good night, everybody, and we'll see

(01:42:35):
you next week. On Midnight Frequency.

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
Radio, join host Carl Richardson as he interviews top guests
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to midnight Eastern.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
As the hour grows late and the signal begins to
fade into the static, we're left with more than just
a story tonight, or left with questions about what walks
in the spaces just beyond our understanding, about what may
be watching, waiting, or even interacting with us in ways

(01:43:12):
we barely comprehend. Doctor Jonathan Read's account sits at the
crossroads of belief and understanding, where evidence and mystery collide.
Was it real, was it misinterpreted? Or does it represent
something far stranger than either explanation allows. Out Here in

(01:43:35):
the quiet places, in the forest, the deserts, even in
spaces between our own thoughts, there are things we don't
fully understand, and maybe we're not meant to, but that
won't stop us from asking. Next time, on midnight frequency Radio,
we shift from beings of flesh to entities of shadows.

(01:43:58):
Our guests will be Robert Chelseky, researcher and author, joining
us to explore one of the most chilling and widely
reported paranormal phenomenon of modern times. Shadow people, dark figure
seen out of the corner of your eye, standing at
the foot of your bed, watching from doorways, or moving

(01:44:22):
just beyond the reach of light. Are they hallucinations? Interdimensional visitors,
something tied to consciousness itself? Are something else? Entirely. We'll
dig into eyewitness accounts, theories, and the unsettling patterns that
connect them. Until next time. Keep your mind open, keep

(01:44:47):
your eyes sharp, and remember not everything in the dark
is hiding. Some of it is watching. For the late
Art Bell Joshua Stark, Josh cheers, and Lady Rosemary. I'm
Carl Richardson and this has been Midnight Frequency Radio. We're
reminding you to continue to explore the unknown.

Speaker 6 (01:46:05):
H