Grant Cameron June 13th 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:35):
Good evening, night travelers, and welcome to Midnight Frequency Radio.
I'm your host, Carl Richardson, coming to you from the
Ozark Foothills.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Of northeast Arkansas.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Tonight, we're exploring a mystery that reaches from the halls
of the White House to the farthest edges of human consciousness.
For generations, Americans have wondered what their president knew about UFOs,
they received briefings, were they given access to the truth,
or where they like the rest of us searching for

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the answers hidden behind layers of secrecy and compartmentalization. Our
guest tonight has spent more than forty years pursuing these questions.
Grant Cameron is one of the most respected and influential
researchers in the UFO field. His journey began in nineteen
seventy five during the famous Charlie Redstar sightings in Manitoba, Canada,

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one of the largest UFO waves in North American history.
What started as an investigation into unexplained objects in the
sky eventually became a lifetime quest for understanding the deeper
nature of the phenomenon itself. Grant became internationally known through
his groundbreaking presidential UFO research. He has made numerous research

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trips to the US National Archives and presidential libraries. He
has examined documents, witness testimony, freadable information release, and insider
accounts related to what American presidents may have known about
UFOs and government secrecies surrounding the phenomenon. His work helped
uncover thousands of pages of Clinton era UFO related documents

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and established him as one of the foremost authorities on
presidential involvement in the UFO mystery. But over the years,
Grant discovered that the mystery might be far bigger than
secret government programs are hidden files. His research led him
into the study of consciousness, paranormal experiences, creativity, inspiration, near

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death experiences, physical phenomenon, and what he believed may be
deeper connection between human consciousness and UFO phenomenon itself. Today,
he explores the possibility that understanding consciousness may be the
key to understanding UFOs. So tonight we'll ask the big question,

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what did Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Obama and Trump?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Really know?

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Have disclosure efforts been quietly taking place behind the scenes
for decades? Is there a hidden structure controlling access to
UFO information, and could the answer to the UFO mystery
lie not in outer space but within consciousness itself. We'll
be right back with mister Cameron.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Right after this, I.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Knew I was stuck at this kid's house the night.
I've decided to just go to sleep and get the
night over with. But those guys Candle then't gone to
a massive pillow fight. Let me tell you, it's not
easy fly asleep when a sweaty little kid fall on
you every five seconds. Even after the lights went out,
Rawing and his friends stayed up. A bunch of them
snuck up on me to tramp on a hand in

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a bowl of warm water.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
Tree.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Well, that was enough for me. I went downstairs to
sleep in the basement, even though it was pitch black.
I left my sleeping bag upstairs, and that was a
mistake because it was freezing. I think it was probably
the longest night of my life. When the sun came
up this morning, I found out the reason it was
so cold. I was sleeping right by the sliding glass door,
and some fool had gone and left it open all
the night. That really sunk because if I knew there

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was a way to escape last night, I definitely would
have taken it. To read more about the sleepover, check
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Speaker 5 (04:40):
Picking up the pieces of myss Wee Shadow Dreams. I
wonder how the old folks say her name was in
and I'll be down if I recall.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
She left me no to do.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Coming to you at the speed of light in the darkness.
This is Midnight Frequency Radio with Carl Richardson. Now here's Carl.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Here I am, and we're with Grant Cameron.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
This Savening. Mister Cameron. Welcome to Midnight Frequency Radio.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
Well, Carl, thank you having me on. I appreciate your
interest in what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I'm going to start out in what took place in
seventy five with a Charlie red Star situation that sparked
your interest in this phenomenon.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
Okay, Basically what happened was there was a small town
called Carmen, Manitoba, which is just above North Dakota. It's
about maybe thirty miles from the border. There was a
bunch of sightings being reported there. I had no interest
in UFOs. I was kind of interested in paranormal phenomena,
but no interest in UFOs. Was going to university at
the time. Didn't know what I was going to do
at the university. Stuff I was learning. And I heard

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about this thing, and I said to my friend, I said,
you know, instead of driving around the city, let's go
out and see what everybody's looking at. Because what had
happened was the local TV studio had actually captured this
thing jumping off the ground and jumped off the ground
almost like the Nimtz story. For familiar with the Nimmead story,
it went from eighty thousand feet down to sea level

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in seven eight so a second. This jumped from the
ground to about five thousand feet in the air in
much less than that. It would be maybe a fifth
of a second something like that. And anyway, they caught
this thing on film jumping off the ground, and it
was a big deal in the city. And I said
to my friend earlier, I said, let's go. And for
three months we didn't go. And because none of us

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had any interest in it, and then this TV studio
got the film, and that's why I said to my friend,
I said, come on, let's go see what they're looking at.
And I always describe it as buying the lottery ticket.
You buy a lottery ticket and you know there's a
chance you can win, but you're not going to win.
And so we went out there and I didn't think
I'd ever see anything. And we drove around for an hour,
didn't see anything. And after now my friends said, okay,

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we'll drive back into Carmen one more time. If you
don't see anything, let's go home. I said, well, okay, fantastic,
it's been a total waste of time. And I said, exactly.
I knew we wouldn't see anything. We turned the car
to go back in and this thing appeared from the
left to the right, and nobody in the car said,
is that it? I wonder if is that what they're
looking at? Is that what everyboy's talking about? Everybody went
there it is. It was just a slow, bizarre and

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it came from the left to the right, right in
front of the car. It was red plasma. It looked
like it was alive. It was beating like a heart.
It is slowly beating, and it was bobbing up and down,
moving very slow, maybe thirty forty miles an hour at
the most. And I was just blown away by this.
I couldn't believe it. I was getting out of the car.

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It was going in behind these school buses, and I
was trying to run across this parking lot so I
could see this thing as when it got in behind
the school buses, and I remember it was just sort
of flying. It just pulsing away, and it was just
flying along and it just sort of flew away. Grabbed
all my friends out there. Two nights later, and that
night it came. All my friends went home. They said, okay,
we're going home. We're not going to see I said, no,

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you can see this. This is a change your life
if you see this. They all went home. About fifteen
minutes later, this thing came, but it was different than
the first night. It was flashing. It looked like a
flashcube jumping around in the sky and was going about
eight inches of field of vision, so it was jumping
all over the sky. And then my kid, these kids,
we had taken these kids out and they said, is
that it? And I said, I guess so they didn't

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look like what I'd seen the first night. But as
it got closer to the flashes got closer together, and
then eventually it was the same object I've seen the
first night, except it had a green glow on the
bottom of it. And I remember, as it was flying away,
I thought, Wow, this is this is like an extra
trestra from another planet. I just felt so lucky, honored
that I was, you know, I lived to be able

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to see something like this. But as I was flying away,
then I went, what's it doing? It? Is that doing anything?
And that has bothered me for fifty one years. That's
my bottom line. I was a chess player when I
was very young. I was pretty good at it, and
to me, it's a chess game. It's got to figure
this thing out. I really don't care to see another
UFO if live, you know, one hundred years, I couldn't

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care less, and I'm not interested. I know this phenomenon exists.
I'm just trying to figure out what it was. And
most importantly what happened the second night is what's it doing?
It's not doing anything, It's just flying along. And you'll
see that if you look at the modern UFO phenomena.
That's what you'll see. The phenomena is just things flying around. No,
they haven't landed for thirty years. There has not been

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a ground trace for thirty years, so they don't land.
They just sort of fly around. And when people have
UFO settings, I always say to them, so what was
it doing? I wasn't doing anything, and I said, what
did it appear? It just appeared and it was there.
Do you think it knew you saw it?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (09:41):
I think so. And this this whole idea is I've
come up with this theory that I was just actually
working on that got me late to the year show
here at working on this theory. Jack Bela calls it
this control a thing, and I call it the theory
of Wow. It's the same thing that what we're dealing
with is a paranormal phenomena which isn't particularly UFO. It's

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a phenomena that is doing weird stuff. It's I call
it the theory of wow. It just wants you to go, wow,
what the heck did I just see? Or how did
that cattle get mutilated? How did that crop circle go down?
All these weird things that's doing leaving handprints on people,
on windows on just the most bizarre things you could
possibly think of, or skinwalk a ranch, just a million

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bizarre things. And that's what they want. They want you
to realize the world is not the way you think
that is. The world is much more advanced, much more
conscious base than material based. And so that's where I
sort of am today. I've sort of done this trip
where I was lucky enough to see you, UFO, and
then I was lucky enough to have a download experience

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in twenty twelve, watching Colin Andrews give a lecture in Laughlin, Nevada,
that sort of awakened me to the fact that there's
a consciousness factor to this thing. And it was told
to me in my head, came with absolute certainty. It said,
this has to do with consciousness. And that was the
answer to that question in nineteen seventy five, what's it doing?
And it's the whole thing that's tied into consciousness.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Why do you think the Charlie Redstar case remains relatively
unknown compared to some of the other cases.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
Because I didn't advertise it. I was the only one
that was really sort of heavily investigating it. Most of
the people in the town would rather not have had
their names or talk None of them wanted to talk
about it. It was a small town, a farm town, and
it was the one family that had had the most

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bizarre sightings. They would tell me stories where they'd go
into the post office and people turn around walk away.
It was just like, we don't want Their names were
the Lehmans, and we don't want to be the LeMans.
We don't want to get ostracized by everybody knew how
ridiculing it was in nineteen seventy five to see a UFO,
And more more important, if people don't realize, if you
haven't been around that long, is that in nineteen seventy five,

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if you saw UFO, you were crazy. If you saw
more than one UFO, you were a total liar and
crazy because it was a random event. You didn't get
to see UFOs over and over again. We didn't know
this thing about abductions and people are experiencers and they
have you know, encounters their whole life. We didn't know
any of that in seventy five was just basically random sightings.
So I wrote the manuscript, and I remember I sent

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it around to various people in about nineteen seventy seven.
I thought, man, this is the most amazing manuscript and
we saw million copies. We're going to solve the UFO
problem here. I've interviewed all these people on town and
I've got this all documented and stuff, and nobody would
publish it. And the local publisher, and I lived in
a big city, the local publisher said, mister Cameron, you

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may believe in this kind of stuff. Count me among
the unbelievers. I went, what are you kidding me? And
that was it. I just to put the manuscript away,
and I didn't. I didn't remember I wrote the manuscript,
but my sister gave it back to me about twenty
five years later. She said, oh, I remember you wrote this,
And I looked at it. I thought, wow, I remember
I wrote maybe a chapter or something that I remember

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reading writing a book. And I looked at it and I go,
oh the cow. So then I I, a publisher in Toronto,
actually published the thing. But then it was forty years
down the road, and so it didn't get the advertising
that other things got, even though it had a tremendous
amount of bizarre sightings and we had lots of photographs

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and stuff like that. And we had the nuclear connection,
which I didn't discover again until probably forty five years
in and that was that. We always wondered why did
it come to Carmen, because Carmen was this little tiny town,
was the middle of nowhere, two thousand people, farming community,
no military, no industrial thing, nothing that would attract a UFO.

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And I remember I was talking to the guy that
owned the airport there and I said, Bob, why did
they come here? Never figured that out. Why did they
come to Carmen didn't make any sense. And he said,
you know why they're here and I said, no, I
don't know why there. He said, I told you in
nineteen seventy five were the area. You know why they're here.
And I said, Bob, it's been like years. I have
no idea why they're here. He said, the missile, the
missile salas, I told you, And what happened That made

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total sense because I lived north of North Dakota. North
Dakota in nineteen seventy five had three hundred nuclear missile salas.
It had the Grand Forks which had one hundred and
fifty missilesiles and the Mineo which is still act of
one hundred and fifty missile solas and were we all
knew that if there was ever a nuclear exchange, Winnipeg,

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where I lived, would be gone because every tenth Russian
missile would come short and land right on top of us.
So we all knew the missile salads in North Dakota.
And then what happened in seventy five they had three
hundred nuclear missile cells, which would have made the nuclear
superpower if they had been a country. And then in
seventy five what happened is the Americans opened the first
anti ballistic missile unit that everyone operational, went operational in

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a town called Nicoma, North Dakota, which is on just
on the other side of the border from eurald. The
UFO settings took place and they put another one hundred
nuclear missiles oulad in there, and it was the pre
Star Wars. So it was basically, if the Russians launched
the missile, they would have these big five mega ton things.
They would launch nuclear missiles and they would detonate it
in space and try to stop these things as they're

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coming through space, and then if they had missed that,
then they would have these one mega ton sprint missiles.
Very fast missiles that would try to create shrapnel over
top of the missile silo to sort of, you know,
rip up the missile as it was coming in. Because
the whole thing was that when there's a nuclear exchange,
it's not the cities they're going to get destroyed first,

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it's the nuclear missile silus, because if you don't take
out the other guy's nuclear missile silus, you're not going
to know what happens after that. So the nuclear missile
silas were the key thing that they were interested in.
They put them in February nineteen seventy five, which is
exactly when the sighting started, and they made an agreement
with the Russians in November of nineteen seventy five to
take them out. That's exactly when the whole thing stopped

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and to put a sort of a period on that.
In November of nineteen seventy five was when Travis Walton
was abducted. And one of the things I picked up
that nobody ever ever picked up was the fact that
Travis was gone five nights, and every single night he
was gone, there was a nuclear missile. There was a
UFO over a nuclear missile silo or a weapon storage

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area in the United States, and most people don't know that.
So seventy five, at the end of seventy five, it
was very very heavy UFO sidings. And that's when all
these bases, lowering Air Force Base Wordsworth Mine not in
North Dakota and malsterm are all visited by UFOs around
the time that Travis Walton was taken in November of
nineteen seventy five. So you get all these sort of

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things that all sort of tie together that indicate the
missile silos probably had a lot to do with the
fact that the UFOs were coming on our side of
the border.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
A lot of these sightings take place around the silos,
even in other countries. Do you think they're nurse mating
us or keeping an eye on it to make sure
we don't overdo it?

Speaker 5 (17:02):
Yeah, I think they're basically what the Canadians were told
when I first did my investigation, and I wanted to
find out the question, like why, you know, what's going
on here? What is this all about? So I studied
what the Canadian government had done in the early nineteen fifties.
They had a project that ran from nineteen fifty to
nineteen fifty four, and there was a story told to

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me by Walt Andrews, who was the head of MIUFON
at the time. This is back in nineteen seventy eight.
I believe what he told me the story. He said
that Wilbersmith, who ran the Canadian government program, had told
him that he was in contact with an alien venue
of alpha. I knew that part of the story, and
that Alfa had said, if we will not step in,

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we will not interfere with what the population of the
world is doing. We can't do that. The only time
we'll ever step in is if there's a nuclear exchange,
and we will step in and we will stop a
nuclear exchange. And to prove that we can do it,
we can take the moon in front of the entire world,
split it in half and put it back together, to
prove that we can stop in nuclear exchange. Other than that,

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we will allow the human race to stew in its
own juices.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
What first led you to investigate the connections between UFOs
and US presidents?

Speaker 5 (18:18):
This was again this determination that I was going to
solve this. It was a chess game, and I believe
that I could figure this thing out, that I could
follow the path. So I went to Canadan government first,
and then what happened was the Canaan government wrote a
top secret memo in November of nineteen fifty, which is
still in the archives. The Canadan government doesn't deny this

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memo exists. And in the memo, Wilbill Smith had gone
to the United States and he was a very senior
guy in the government. He was the top radio engineer
and in charge of all the radio frequencies, including the CI,
all the frequencies for intelligence. And he'd gone to the
United States. He was interested in the UFO phenomena, and

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he said he had acted among the military people in Washington,
the weapons people, and they had given him a bunch
of material. So he returned to Ottawa and he wrote
it was called the top secret Memo. And in the
top secret Memo it says we were told by American officials,
so not people on the street, American officials that flying

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saucers exist. It's the most highly classifized subject in the
United States. There's a small group headed by doctor Vanavar
Bush trying to figure this thing out. And this subject
is some tremendous significance to the Americans, and the thing
that mental phenomenon may be involved, and he was told
by American officials mental phenomenon may be involved with UFOs.
The Americans are doing very well because they said, if

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we're working on the project, they're willing to exchange credentials
and talk to us. So, of course I was studying
Wilbert Smith, but I was trying to figure out where
did you get that material from the top secret memo?
Who had he talked to in the United States? And
it turned out he had talked to a guy by
named doctor Van, doctor Robert Starbaker, And this all took
place at the Canane Embassy and managed to recover some
of the documents from there, and it all led there

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to Starbucker identifying people who had been at a crash
recovery meeting at ray Patterson Air Force Based in nineteen fifty.
They called in a bunch of scientists and engineers to
brief them on what they had discovered. I guess with
the crash with Roswold and below the name Roswell wasn't mentioned.

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And he said that he couldn't go, but he said
a god by, doctor Eric Walker had gone. And Walker
was a very senior guy. He was a co developer
of the homing torpedo. At fourteen honorary doctorate degrees, was
chairman of the board of the Institute for Defense Analysis
TOPT military think tank. He was president of Penn State

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University for fifteen years and so it led that all
led to Walker, and for about eight years I led
a team that grilled Walker, tried to get him to
talk by letters and by phone calls and stuff like that.
We wrote a book called UFOs Area fifty one in
Government Formats, which gave the whole transcript of what Walker

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had told us. And he knew that we were working
on this thing, and he had a file on us,
and we were trying to figure out where this file was.
And then we were trying to find his government files.
So he was assistant head of Weapons for the Americans
in nineteen fifty, so we were trying to find this file.
And he mentioned the fact in some of his documents

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when I reviewed his documents, that he was going to
leave some of his papers at the Truman Library. So
I went to the Truman Library to find Walker's files
and there was really nothing there. There's a couple of letters,
but really nothing significant. And it was that point, I
said to myself, well, the president's the most powerful guy
in the world. He's got to know what's going on.
So I talked to the archivists. They have these archivists
who know everything. And I said, so, what he got

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on UFOs And he said, well, we got like twenty telegrams.
They were sent to Truman in nineteen fifty when there
was the overflight of Washington, d C. Truman and put
a shoot down order. He wanted them shot down, and
it was all over the newspapers, and so all these
people were sending telegrams to the White House saying, please,
mister President, don't shoot him down. And so these were there,

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and there was a couple of a couple other little
letters from Contact Ease to the President and stuff, and
really nothing significant. And I thought, that's it. That's all
you got on this thing. The president's got to know everything.
And so then I went to the Eisenhower Library, which
is just down the road from the Truman Library in Abilene, Kansas,
and I went there and that's when I asked them.

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I said, what do you got on UFOs And they said,
we've got five documents. They showed me the five documents
and I said, that's it. And then I said how
many pages of documents that you got in the library
and they said twenty eight million pages, And I went
only five documents. And so I started going from library
to library and saying, something's wrong here, there's something's missing here.
That president's got to know what's going on. So I

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basically went to all the libraries to try to figure
out what the presidents knew, who had had sightings was
or any documents on it. And basically what it came
down to is it's a very highly classified program and
the president really doesn't Nobody really knows what's going on.
They know that UFOs exist, they know they've got bodies
and crafts, but beyond that, they don't know. They don't

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know if it's extraterrestrial. They don't know anything. Even to today,
they really don't know. So the presidents, it's sort of
a thing that they keep away from the president. He
gives them plausible deniability. He may know a little bit
about it, but they basically tell him this will protect you.
Just basically, don't ask questions. We've got a program, we're
working on it, we're trying to figure it out. We
can't figure it out. So that's basically where that came,

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and that's when I got the download. So I was
working on the President's for maybe thirty years, wasn't really
getting anywhere. I had a lot of interesting stories, but
didn't really get anywhere. And that's when I had to
download in twenty twelve, which basically three things were put
in my head at the same time, which basically the
sum story was it said, this thing has got to

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do with consciousness. That's what it's all about. You asked
that question, what's going on here? What is this? And
they said it's got to do with consciousness, And it
came with absolute certainty. My head was spinning. I just
went wow. And I started the whole search of people
who'd cloned the craft using mental telepath in the mental
their brain or their consciousness and the channelers and experiencers.

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I moved from trying to chase lights in the sky
to talking to people who had actually interacted with the
intelligence to ask what did they tell you what happened
on the ship, Like what was the message? What are
they saying? All this kind of stuff about you know,
consciousness and stuff like that, And that's when things started
to unfold for me, and everything started to start to

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make sense in twenty twelve. So twenty twelve till now,
that's what I've basically worked on, is not UFO sightings,
but the whole contact the experiencer thing and what are
these people being told and why are they doing these
bizarre things all over the which is you know, they're
not only doing bizarre things, they're actually crashing, I believe,
on purpose. They're dropping stuff like pieces of metal, which

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doesn't make any sense if you come from a thousand
light years away, why would just have little pieces start
to fall off the flying saucer. And it was clear
they're dropping this stuff, they're dropping it on purpose. And
even Bob Bigelow when he was asked about it, the
billionaire was the contractor for the big UFO program. They
asked him and they said, you know, if if the
Russians got a craft, and he said, yeah, we got

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a craft. The Russians got a craft. The Chinese have
a craft. There's probably one in South America. They're seating
them all over the place. And that's this whole idea
of the gifting field, that they're actually gifting this stuff
and it doesn't give you propulsion, because the whole key
to the thing, the propulsion, is that unless you understand consciousness,
you can't turn the craft on. The craft is run

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by consciousness. That's the interface that makes this thing go.
And now you'll see stuff like the Now you'll see
a lot of stuff about soonics and flying crafts with minds. Well,
I had that long before they ever came out with it.
But that's where everybody's going. We're starting to move towards
the idea you've got to put this consciousness thing together

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to understand what's going on.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
When you were researching the president's was there any one
president that stood out to you the most.

Speaker 5 (26:19):
Well, there was a couple that were really really into it.
Reagan was into it, Carter was into it, and Barack
Obama was into it. So some of the best stories,
I guess come out of the Reagan administration, where for example,
now we have this new movie by Steven Spielberg that
has just been released. Well, Steven Spielberg released Close Encounters

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of the Third Time, which is actually based on a
real event, and then he released Et which came out
during the Reagan administration, and Steven Spielberg tells the story
on tape. He actually the audio, we've actually got the
audio of it where he said that he showed Et
the to the President and that the President stood up

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in front of herb and he said, thank you, mister
Spielberg for bringing ET to the White House. We really
enjoyed it. And I just want to let you know.
I bet you there aren't six people in this room
who know how true this whole thing is. And of
course I went and I found out who had been
in the room. That didn't really help me, but I
had the thirty seventy nine people in the room at
the time when this screening was done. He did that

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one and the other one was the alien invasion remark,
which I started putting out. It was picked up and
now it's pretty famous to this alien or invasion room.
Werek and I remember the synchronicity of being at the
library one time. This sort of leaves you shivers. I
was there and I was about five minutes before closing time.
And they have a file because people these letters are

(27:43):
worth a lot of money if they have a presidential
signature on them, so they photocopy everything, and you look
at photocopies rather than real documents. And they had a
whole collection of Reagan stuff, and so I was looking
through it and I said, is this Reagan's writing? And
she said, no, no, that's not Reagan's writing. This is
Reagan's writing. She turned to a part of the binder
and here was Ronald Reagan's handwriting saying, you know, I've

(28:05):
offen wondered if there was alien if there was alien
beings from another planet, whether you know, we would all
come together. And it was actually the alien invasion remark,
and it was this actual handwriting, and he said, could
you please put it back into the speech? So it
was in the un speech and they had pulled it
out because they didn't want him to sound like he's crazy,
and he actually asked and they had to put it

(28:26):
back in the speech. So those were the kind of
things that got me or the when I was at
the Carter Library, I one of the archives. People don't
realize that the archive is at the library. They're not
trying to cover up anything. They have rules that they
got to follow, but a lot of these people are
just really interested in in history. And the guy that
was at the Carter Library actually went to school with

(28:48):
Chip Carter. Jimmy Carter's son, and he said, I remember
him telling this story, and he said, he told the
story that Jimmy saw the UFO in sixty seven, So
the story always was sixty nine. There was sixty nine,
he said, because I was I was going to school
with Chip Carter, and it was had to be sixty seven.

(29:08):
So I remember with him. He was so interested in
the subject that it was after hours and we sat
there for about an hour and a half after the
archive is closed, talking about UFOs. So you do find
some people in the archives who are very interested to
help you try to find stuff inside the library.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
How serious did Carter pursue the UFO issue after entering
the White House?

Speaker 5 (29:33):
Well, he was. He was very serious about it. But
again it came down to the idea that the president
you got to always remember this fact is the pre
Do they know the story or do they not know
the story? And I say that they don't know the story.
They know that UFOs exist and we have crafts, but
they don't know. As Jim Semivan from ci I said,

(29:54):
just because you've got bodies and crafts doesn't mean you
know what you're dealing with. So Carter was very interested
in the thing. But the answer they would give him is, yes,
mister Carter, there are UFOs, but we haven't figured we
haven't figured it out. And that's what Jimmy Carter said
when he was asked by jim James Fox. James Fox
confronted him out of book signing and he said, why
didn't you do anything when you were the president? And

(30:16):
Carter said, there are many possibilities, but nobody has answers,
that is the bottom line. But Carter was very interested.
So the thing was that he didn't have his fingerprints
on it. So what he would do is he would
put other people to do his dirty work for him.
So he had press secretary would go he was going
to the FBI, and the FBI ended up releasing fifteen

(30:40):
hundred pages of documents. He sent his science advisor to
NASA to start a new UFO investigation, another blue book,
and of course NASA said, you cut our budget. There's
no we haven't got money to do this. We and
it was the old idea. They had gotten a memo
from the CI saying don't dare touch this thing, and
it was basically it was a pr nightmare. So they said, no,
we don't. You've got no money to do another study.

(31:01):
But if you have metal that you've recovered metal, we're
willing to investigate that, but we don't have money to
run another study. So he had those people. He had
an ET study that was shut down by the Congress
that went to SRI and said, if you run the
ET study on ET intelligence, we will cut all your budget.

(31:22):
We will cut all the stuff that you have with
the Pentagon. So they backed out of that. Then they
had a lawyer that was at the CIA, and the
CIA was hiding all the documents the apparently there's fourteen
thousand documents and they only found a thousand, and the
story was that the lawyer, who was a female, was
so frustrated by them hiding documents that she broke down

(31:44):
crying in the CIA. So he had all these other
people doing all this kind of stuff, and so you
do see the vast majority of documents at one point
was half I don't know if it's half now, but
half of all UFO documents that we have on file
were under the Carter administration. Because he was forcing out
all these documents and yet he himself, it made it

(32:05):
look like he didn't know what was going on. And
he wasn't involved, but yes, he had people doing all
this stuff for him.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
George Bush came directly from intelligence, the intelligence community. How
significant is that with the connection of UFO secrecy.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
Yeah, again, he was sort of cut out of the
loop if he listened to Oh, I now his name
is going to scape me. Eric Davis. Eric Davis tells
the story. And I knew this because he told me
this story twenty years ago. He talked to both President
Bush and to President Carter. And what we were trying
to do is we were trying to track down Knids.

(32:40):
He was the big group that was working in the
early two thousands, Big Bob Bigelow had hired all the
top people to work on this, try to solve the problem.
And Eric Davis had done a project for them where
he went because he had he had a they had
Bush had a milt An intelligence background, so Eric Davis

(33:03):
had an intelligence background. They both belonged to the Organization
of Former intelligence Agents. So he had his phone number
and I remember him phoning me and he said, you
got Jimmy Carter's phe number? And I said, n No,
got Jimmy Carters Canadian. Why would I have a Jimmy
Carter's phone, Ober, And I said, why do you want
Jimmy Carter's phone Ober, He said, well, I want to
talk to him about the Halliman Air Force Base film. Now,
the Halliman Air Force Based film was a story that

(33:23):
was given to producers in nineteen seventy four to put
in a documentary in nineteen seventy five, and just before
they were to release it, the Pentagon said, we can't
give you the film. You can't have it. You have
to bring it back to the Pentagon. It was moved
back and you got a storyboard that thing. You got
to sort of make up a thing that tells the story.
So in the documentary it says this may have happened,

(33:46):
or it may have it may happen in the future.
And it was a story about Haulim and Air Force
Base in May of nineteen seventy one, where three UFOs
come over the base and this is they have generals
that have been flown in from right from Washington. They
know this thing is going to land. They have cameras
set up, they have all these people watching, and this
thing lands at six o'clock in the morning. There's two

(34:06):
UFOs move away and the one lands, the door opens up.
These aliens, the alien beings come out, they shake hands
with these officials. They put the UFO in a hangar
and this apparently was filmed. So apparently it was shown
to presidents during their briefing. Like Jimmy Carter. There's a
story that Jimmy Carter was showing this fifteen minute color film.

(34:28):
He broke down crying. All that you hear all these
rumored stories. But Bush was talked to by Eric Davis.
So Eric Davis phoned up first. He phoned up President Ford,
and he also had an intelligence background, so he said,
did you see the Holmeman Air Force based film when
you were when you were briefed as president. He said, yes,

(34:50):
I saw it. So Eric Davis says to him, so
when was the briefing. He said, I'm never going to
tell you when the briefing is. Don't even go there.
And so that's about as far as he got with Ford.
So then he went to Bush and he said did
you see the film? And he said, yes, I saw it,
but I didn't see it as when I was briefed
as president. I saw it when I was the CI director.
But he was only CI director for one year people

(35:12):
forget that there's only a CI director for one year.
But he said, the guy came in like it's kind
of an interesting story. He said, the guy came in
to brief him a SI director, and he starts telling
him this story about this landing at Houlham in our
first base where these aliens come out of the craft
and stuff, and Bush is saying, you're telling me what
And then suddenly this guy realized, holy cow, he hasn't

(35:34):
been brief on this. We don't know if he should
be briefed on this. And he said that's what he
learned about it, that he actually got it by accident
that they briefed him, figuring that he already knew about
the story, and so he Eric Davis had a couple
of phone conversations with Bush and Bush said it was real.
It happened, because there's all these questions. Was it a
counterintelligence operation? Was it a propaganda film? Was it a

(35:57):
training film? Was an a twelve flaming out? What was
on the actual film? And he said, no, no, no, no, no,
it wasn't that. It was the real deal, and it
had massive securities surrounding the project, so that that basically
confirmed it and that's why I asked the producer. I
went to the producer and I said to him, I said, Bob,
this is kind of weird. You know, you got the

(36:19):
Hallman Air Force Base. You know, except for the location
and the time of day, this is this sounds exactly
a Close Encounters is the third time. And he said,
what I didn't tell you? And I said, no, you
didn't tell me what he said, I didn't tell you.
I gave a copy to Steven Spielberg. I said, no,
you didn't tell me that. So he gave him a
copy of the documentary in nineteen seventy five, and in
nineteen seventy seven, Steven Spielberg has exactly the same story.

(36:41):
Three UFOs come in, they're waiting for it. They got
the cameras rolling, and the two flyaway, the one lands,
the beings come out. That's that's the Hall of an
Air Force Base film. And so he said, I told you.
Annie Spielberg worked as a line producer for Alan Sander,
who owned the producer with the who's his partner? She
was a line for for us and that she said.

(37:02):
Stephen wanted to copy the documentary, so they gave a
copy to Steven Spielberg, and then two years later, suddenly
this story comes out in Close Encounters of the Third Kind,
And Bob told me the story that Steven Spielberg's mother
had come to him after Close Encounters of the Third
Kind had screened, and she said, Bob, I've seen your
version of the landing, and I've seen Steven's version of

(37:23):
the landing, and I like Steven's version better.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
In your opinion, have all the presidents been fully braved
or are there some presidents that you think have been
denied access?

Speaker 5 (37:35):
Well, that's the story. I don't think. I mean, I
think it's a part partly the problem that if the
president doesn't want to know, but like for example, Donald
Trump doesn't want to know about it, he has no interest,
he doesn't believe it. Even he even talked about the
fact that he got the briefing where they brought in
the Nimitz pilots and he said, oh, these guys were
they really cool guys and they were like, I'm really
proud of these guys. Came in, they told me the

(37:56):
story and I don't know, I don't I still don't
believe it. So he got the briefing, the briefing that yeah,
they had this thing at Nimitz and all these things happen,
all this sort of stuff, but he still didn't believe it.
The same when he was releasing these documents, the ones
that are making the big headway. Now you know, one
in a billion, one in a billion half hits. He
now realizes this is you know, a lot of people

(38:18):
watching that he's going to get votes out of this thing.
But still if you take a look at what he says,
he says, you know a lot of people are interested
in fact, there was one guy that wrote four books
and his names are going to escape me. Four wrote
four books on Trump, and he said that Trump had
told him in twenty sixteen he said I could, I could,

(38:39):
I could run on UFOs. People really believe this. And
then he swore, people really believe this, and he you
know this crap, and and so he in this last
thing where he said, people are really interested in this.
So I'm we're going to release this stuff. We're going
to release all the UFO documents. You tell me what
you think. I don't know. He because it doesn't involve money,

(39:00):
it doesn't involve real estate, and he doesn't It's like
your father, you know, you see a UFO and then
you tell your wife and she tells you you're going
to get locked up. Most people just don't believe it.
They they don't really care, they don't believe it, and
that didn't so Trump is one like that, so they're
not really going to tell them. Plus, when it comes
to briefings, and people tell the story that if you
get a bunch of generals come in with Trump and

(39:21):
they start giving him a briefing, if it's a PowerPoint,
he's gone in ninety seconds. He's not gonna sit through
a pinal PowerPoint. He knows more about everything than anybody,
and so some of the presidents will stay away from
the subject. They'll just get what they need to know,
and they know it's top secret. But you've got to
realize that the situation with the the UFO situation that

(39:44):
people don't maybe realize is that the all security clearances
come from the office of the President of the United States.
So you can say, well, the president doesn't need to know,
you know, there's some guy with higher security clients. The
president doesn't have a security claims, he can get whatever
he wants. And the statement is if the president wants something,
we will move mountains to make sure the president gets it.

(40:06):
He gets whatever he wants because he can just fire everybody.
As you can see with Trump, you can fire people
and people and keep going down the road until you
get somebody who actually tells you the truth. So it's
just that he's not interested in it. But some of
them they know that they're told sort of stay away
from it. But the program is actually an executive program,
and Jim Semio then points that out. He states that

(40:27):
the UFO program was built under what's called a PEEDE,
a Presidential Emergency Action document. You're started by Eisenhower wrote
the first one on UFOs, and it basically says, we
don't have to tell Congress. We can put in five
people that know the subject. Nobody else knows about it.
I want this person, this person, this person on the program.

(40:47):
And it's called a pre PEED, which also covers things
like the presidential security around the president. It also includes
the nuclear plans for what happens if there's a nuclear attack.
This comes under the same category is those things very
very highly classified that aren't known about Congress. So that's
the problem with Congress, that Congress thinks that because it's

(41:08):
they're paying for it, that they should get the answer.
But if it's a peed, they're not going to touch
it because it has you need a security clearance. So
you need that security clearance in order to be given access,
to be given to briefing. And then the problem was
is if even if you get the briefing, if you're
a congressman and they take you into a skiff and
give you the briefing, you sign your life away before

(41:29):
you go in the briefing, which means you walk into
the briefing, now they've got you, you can't talk about it.
And so there's this thing that it's under seven layers
of security. It's so deeply buried. As somebody said, who
is it? Den Rich said he ran Lockheed's Conquress. He said,
it's so deeply buried it would take an act of

(41:50):
God to get it out out in front of Congress.
And that's the whole deal. It's the most highly classifized secret.
That was what the Canadians were told nineteen fifty. It's
the most highly classified secret states. But if you take
a look at what they actually know, it come to
alas comes down to this thing, what do they really know.
Jim semi Van, who had then know if you know
the story, Jim semi Van was head of covert ops

(42:11):
for the CIA. He had the beings in his room
in the early nineteen nineties. So of course he's like me,
he wants to figure this thing out. I want to
know what's going on. He asked the CIA. They said,
you need higher security clearance. So he gets the highest
security clearance in order to get the briefing he said.
The CIA says, okay, get a room inside of the
CIA for six to eight hours. He goes into this
room and he said, these guys they're contractors and they're

(42:33):
very high science people. They have as many tickets as
I had, and I had all the tickets. They come in,
these very highly high guys, and he said, they scared
the living daylights on me. For seven hours. I sat
there and listened to them, and they asked them, They said,
well what do they what do you learn? Well, what
do they know about UFOs? And he said nothing, They
don't know anything. And he said, I will bet a
year of my pension that against anybody who wants to

(42:55):
take me on that they have no idea what's going on.
They have bodies and crops. Yeah, they have this, but
they have no idea what's going on. And he said,
And then the guy asked in the interview said, well,
what do they know? And he said, all this size
stuff is right. Everything about size, like phenomenal telepathy, remote viewing,
it's all right. And that's what they're working on, this
this side thing. And there's even a story now put

(43:16):
out that this this Spielberg movie is sort of a
cover to scare people away from the size. The size
is the basis of the program that people want to
if you can talk in somebody's head, you can go
talk to Putin or Chi or to any of these
leaders and you can talk in their heads. That's what
it's about. It's this high level security that they're they're

(43:36):
they're working on this. They're trying to figure out this
consciousness thing. How does this thing work. There's even a
thing where back in the when I was writing a
book on ports, where they're they're dropping things like it
happens in all sorts of paranormal phenomena where things will
fall out of the ceiling and stuff like that, and
they're called at ports and a lot of it happens
in UFOs and I I was, I was working on this,

(43:59):
this whole thing, and it came to the UFO thing,
and it was happening there as well. But when it
came down to what they really knew was was really
nothing except in a DIA document in nineteen seventy two,
I think it was. I put it in the book.
It said it talked about at ports. So the report

(44:21):
is to make something appear or disappear in a spot.
So they said, if we could, if we could figure
out the secret of a ports, we could go to
the Russians. We could go into a Russian vault. We
could get the documents, we could take them out, we
could take them to Washington. We could photocopy the documents
and return them to the vault and they would never
even know we were there. And that's this whole thing,

(44:42):
is to make the documents appear and then put them
back in the document this vault and make them disappear.
So that's what they're working on this whole thing. If somebody,
if they're watching this paranormal phenomena which they're doing at
Skinwalker Ranch, you see all this kind of stuff, and
that's what Skinwalker Ranch people misunderstand. It was not a
UFO program. It was a paranormal program. They were looking
at you know, dinah beavers and portals and mutilated cattle.

(45:05):
There was no UFOs. There was all this weird stuff,
and they said, if we could figure out how all
this weird stuff works, then this would be to our
military advantage. The Intelligence Committee would want that, and that's
the last thing they're going to give up. So they
would basically tell the president, you don't need to know
about this kind of stuff. It's true, or they would
tell him and then he has to deny it, deny

(45:26):
that he's ever been briefed on it, and stuff like that,
because the president is running the program. It's an executive
officer program. It is not a program that is run
by Congress. It's run out of the White House. And
therefore all the documents are there, and all the contractor
stuff is there, And it doesn't make any sense to
me that the president wouldn't know, because it's very clear.
The rule is very clear. If the president wants to know,

(45:48):
he can get it any time he wants. He can
to classify whatever he wants, he can take all the
pots can be classified. But what I always point out
to people because they did the president's stuff. There have
been fourteen or fifteen administrations that have handled the UFO subject,
half Democrats, half Republicans seven and seven, and every single
administration has done exactly the same thing, which indicates the

(46:13):
people at the top of the pyramid that are running
the program, whether right or wrong, they all believe they're
saving the country. They all believe that this has to
be kept away from everybody, that it's that top secret.
So it's not a political thing one party versus another party.
It's caught to do with all the people that nobody
has defected over all these years from the high level

(46:34):
administration to tell the program because it's that highly classified,
and people at that level all believe that they're saving
the world by keeping it secret.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
We're about midway through.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
I'm going to run my brake here and we'll come
back and we'll get into the discussion of disclosure.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
Okay.

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Twenty mine, but I am still alive.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
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Speaker 1 (54:06):
All right, we'll back with our guests, Grant Cameron. Mister Cameron,
what would disclosure look like to you? Is it what's
taking place now or not?

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Really?

Speaker 5 (54:17):
Okay, this is where it gets kind of complex because
everybody has a different idea what they think is disclosure.
So if you take a look at Jim Lakatski was
the guy around the OFFSET program that was the big
UFO program for the Development Defense Intelligence Agency. He wrote
four books and he said I have given you disclosure.
So what he says in his disclosure is yeah, UFOs

(54:39):
are for real, and he adds the fact that we
have a craft. In book number three he said we
managed we have a craft. I was at a congressional facility,
which is important because people will say, oh, Congress isn't briefed.
He says, I was in a congressional facility, which means

(55:00):
congress is briefed, and with a senator who would have
been senator read from Nevada, and he said, I let
the I'll give it a short point. All I can
talk about is what I was allowed to put in
the book. This is what I'm allowed to put in
the book. The meeting was a long meeting, but the
part I can tell you is I was I informed

(55:21):
them that we had managed to breach a craft, get
inside a craft. We have a craft, We've been inside
the craft. So then he was asked by George Knapp
and Jeremy Corbell were interviewing him, well, what was inside
the craft? And he said, I can't tell you that.
I can't tell you what I what's in the book.
And so they said, you are saying that we've got
a craft, officially saying that we've got a craft and

(55:43):
we've been in it. And he said, yes, that's that's true.
That's what I'm saying. And so then in his fourth
book then he actually identified what was in the craft,
and what was in the craft was nothing. There was
no panel boards, there was no engine, there was no
fuel tank, there was no, nothing, There was no beings,
there was nothing, and that they had managed to breach
the craft. So then they asked them, They said, okay,
so how do you breach the craft? And he said,

(56:08):
I can't tell you. Now there's a story. This is
when it gets into this whole thing about how complex
this whole thing gets once you get past the fact
that we got bodies and crafts, and the part they're
trying to hide is this part that there's this control
mechanism of consciousness. So the story that's put out that
the links up to this is the way you get
in the craft is you have to have the right

(56:28):
vibration otherwise the craft will not open the door. The
craft is alive, it's conscious. I even wrote a book
which I'll send you. It's called Ufo Skypalas and in
that book I go through thirty six people who claim
that they have flown the craft. And I thought it
was absolutely bizarre. When the first woman told me, I
thought she was nuts. Was going to throw at the house.
Twenty thirteen, she told me the story. After I notified

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people I was interested in consciousness, and they put me
in contact with this woman. I could her out why,
but the key was when she said she'd flown the craft.
Then I suddenly realized why they put me in contact
with this woman, And she said she'd flown through different
models than I started to get. And I've got a
second book which is maybe half done on the same thing,
flying the craft on more evidence of the fact that

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this is the key element. So it's this consciousness thing.
So what you get with Lakatski is saying, yes, we
have bodies and crafts, Yes we UFOs are real, and
beyond that we really don't know. But he says that
the situation is that it's a paranormal mystery. It's not
a UFO mystery. Says it quite clearly in the book,

(57:34):
and this is what he calls disclosure. In the book.
He says, the umbrella is paranormal. UFOs is only under
the umbrella. It's only part of the paranormal phenomena. And
that's what makes sense if you take a look at
why they were so interested in in Skinwalker Ranch is
because all these weird things were happening, all these paranormal

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things were happening, and there was almost no UFOs. There
was the odd UFO, but it was this other thing
and he actually stayed. At one point he said, I
was talking to Senator Reid, and what we were going
to do is Reid was going to increase the budget.
The budget for five years was twenty two million dollars.
Reid was going to increase the budget to fifty or

(58:16):
one hundred to one hundred or one hundred and fifty
million dollars. And he said, we I'm not saying we
wanted the Department of the Paranormal, but we weren't going
to go chasing around the country looking out at flittering UFOs,
which basically means that if they had one hundred and
fifty million dollars they were to get as they got

(58:36):
the program expanded, they weren't going to investigate UFOs. They
were going to investigate the paranormal. So the paranormal is
the umbrella.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
And so the.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
UFO disclosure thing, basically, I think they've disclosed what they've got.
They may have some sort of technology, but over and
over again I've heard, no, they got nothing. They had
they shut the program down because it has to do
with this consciousness thing, and they haven't. They can't figure
out the consciousness thing. And the ninety nine percent of

(59:04):
the UFO community still thinks it's nuts and bolts, So
nine percent of the UFO community hasn't even gone there.
When you talk consciousness, they think you're crazy. But it's
this this idea that there's this consciousness interface and that
the crafts may actually be apports, that they're actually creating
these things, and that the the the aliens are not
even aliens. They're multi multi dimensional, or they're coming from

(59:29):
a different sort of sort of a time and space,
or they're coming from a higher vibrational thing. You'll always
hear this thing that the grays, you can't be your
ground graze for very long because they vibrate at a
very high level. So it's this idea that that they
are just coming from they're here, and now they're all here,
everything is here, and now there's no time and space,

(59:50):
and that they goes by vibrations. So if you can vibrate,
if you get to the vibrational level, you can move
into their world. And that's that's why their whole is
so weird and why they don't want to disclose this.
Because if you're the president of the United States, okay,
so say you know, okay, we know that we got UFOs,
So they've said that numerous times. Yep, yep, UFOs are real,
we don't know what they are. And or they'll say

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we have no proof of extraterrestrial technology. And the reason
they say that is because they know it's not extraterrestrial.
They have doubts it's extraterrestrial, so they keep saying so.
At one point someone said, can we change this statement
from the White House to say non human intelligence instead
of extraterrestrial and they said absolutely not, So they will
never use non human intelligence. I always used we got

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no proof of extraterrestrial which is true. They're telling them
the truth. They don't have any proof because they don't
believe it's extraterrestrial. They believe it's something else. It's some
more complex scenario of multidimensionals or whatever it is. So
they've disclosed UFOs exist. The bodies and crafts. Now that's
going to be something. If they get enough pressure from Congress,
they may actually go there. Because la Caatski is already
gone there and Lakaski is saying I can't talk anymore

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until I get it approved, which means there's somebody above
him that's proved that's approving disclosure. And I've always said
since nineteen ninety when I wrote my first book, I've said,
there's a disclosure program going on here. They're dropping little tidbits.
And what they'll do, like at Area fifty one, is
they'll put somebody like Bob Lazar, who's seen as a

(01:01:19):
crazy guy, and they'll put him on the base. They
give him a bunch of documents, true documents, false documents,
let him see the craft, and then let him go
running around the world telling the story because everybody's going
to go, oh, no, it's crazy. He's a crazy guy.
He doesn't know. And that's what they do. They put
these stories out and they put disinformation around it so
you can't tell what's real and what's not real. So

(01:01:40):
that that's where we're at now, whether they're going to actually,
like White House, disclose that there's there's aliens and there's
not aliens, but there's crafts that has officially been disclosed
by James Lakaski around the program, and that's that's in
the open. It's just not very public that he that
he made this disclosure. But if it comes to alien bodies,

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that's going to be another thing. And the other reason
they're not going to want to go any further than
that is because it's the one million in one question
problem that it's what's your definition disclosure? Someone says, and
I say, okay, they're disclosed. They said there's bodies, there's crafts,
there's uh, there's UFOs. And then they go, well, what

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about where are they from? That's another question? Uh, you
know how they get here? And then it's like this question,
this question, and they don't know the answer to it.
So why would you open the door to having the
president stand there and go, wow, well, I don't know
the answer that I don't know answer that question and
and do all these these weird things that that indicate
that you don't have the power. You're suppose. You supposed

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to be the president, you're supposed to be in charge
of everything. But there's so many unuh equated things in
in the puzzle that they can't figure out, and they
don't want to go there. They don't want to start
answering all these questions because it just leads to the
next question, the next question, the next question. And as
you know, the press could put a lot of pressure
on the White House, and you can have your whole

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administration go down because now you're a cover up. So
the situation is like Trump's the disclosure president. But if
suddenly they disclose and say, well, no, we can't talk
about the what's beyond that or we don't know that,
everybody says, oh, Trump's covering up. Now he was the
disclosure guy. Now he's the cover up guy. And you

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suddenly lose all your situation of having the power. And
that's this whole thing about what are you going to
do with the disclosure? If you're the president, what do
you want to do? Do you want to actually go
down that road? And they've made the statement no they can't.
So that's why they're doing the gradual disclosure. They're doing
these things, putting the story out about the craft where

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you got. They won't open the door that it's alive,
it's conscious. They put out stories that the craft is
on the outside is thirty feet across, the inside is
the size of a football stadium. They've had a bunch
of these stories, high level officials floating these stories, and
everybody goes, well, I don't know if I believe that,
And most of the stuff is true. It's just we
can't confirm it. So they're disclosing little bits and pieces

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of it. But right now I would say they're not
going to go any farther than if they can help it.
They're not going to go any farther than Yeah, they've
got a craft. Yeah, UFOs exist. The alien thing is
very difficult because that gets into are the extraterrestrials, And
I'm with Jacques Vallet, I do not believe this is extraterrestrial.
I believe this is some sort of paranormal higher vibrating

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frequency that's here that is used to be. Like in
eighteen ninety six, the UFOs were wooden ships with propellers
and balloons and stuff like that, and then it became
the Adamski crafts with the balls under it, or before
that was the Green Fireballs and the Damp ski crafts,
then the Betty and Barney hillcrafts with the windows. Then
the windows went away. There's no UFO reports with windows anymore.

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And then it was triangles, then it was orbs, and
it just keeps changing. The phenomena is changing, it's morphing,
it's changing things. As we do develop, it changes the
phenomena and it changes. So there's no longer crop circles,
almost no crop circles. There's no coddle emulations anymore. They
just do this, and then they do this, and they
do this, and all of it is this weird stuff.
The UFO phenomena, whatever it is, is doing the disclosure,

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and the way it's doing the disclosure is this wow stuff.
It does these really weird things where everybody goes, wow,
how did they build this crop circle? How do they
get this cow with no blood in it? How do
they get the heart out of the cow without an incision.
It's these weird things that they do because they want
you to realize the world is not the way you
think it is. It's this really weird world and the

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government doesn't know it. The government hasn't figured it out.
You may have some high level intelligence officials that brief
Jim Semivan that know that all the paranormal phenomena, the
size stuff is all right, and they're working on it.
But they, according to Jim Semivan, then briefing and they
told him, no, we don't know anything about the UFO thing.
We haven't figured out anything. And then he was actually

(01:05:58):
actually asked, he said he he said he was so
disturbed by what they had told him about the paranormal stuff,
the size stuff, and they'd figured all this stuff out.
They asked him, do you want another briefing? He said, no,
I've seen enough. I don't need another briefing. And he
turned down a second briefing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
I don't blame him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Uh do you believe in the craft that Bob Blazar
spoke about.

Speaker 5 (01:06:19):
That's a that's a thing. Yes, I believe bab Lazar
was put on there to disclose what he had seen. Now,
whether he's impression of the craft. He said he believed
it was mind control too, that it was flown with
the mind and these uh gravity amplifiers. Now, whether that
was true or not where they put him. One thing
is people don't realize is that there's a bunch of

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things that that happened with Bablazar that actually people don't
know about. For example, he was only on the base
about six or seven times. That's why he was taking
John Lee and other people out to see the test.
And the test is the giveaway. So okay, he's he's
he said, he's a guy. He's only been on the
on the base six or seven times. So the question

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is why would they tell him when the test was.
He doesn't need to know when the test was. It's
a need to know program he's telling. They're telling him
when the test is because they've got his phone tap
and they know he's talking to John Lear, and they
want the stuff to go to John Lear. So John
Lear was his father, invented the Lear Jet. And John
Lear was as honest as the day is long. But
he had the craziest ideas about underground bases and aliens

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killing people and don't go to them when you die,
don't go to the lake because the aliens are going
to take their soul to the moon, and just crazy
stuff he believed, and that's what they wanted. They wanted
Bob Lazar to tell all the stories that he was
seeing to John Lear. John Lear would put it out
and everybody say that John Lear, don't believe John Leary.
He's nuts, I mean, don't believe that story. And the
story would come out that they had crafts Adaria fifty one.

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So yes, they had these crafts at Area fifty one
that they had recovered, but they hadn't figured out anything.
Even Bob Lazar admits that they really didn't. They hadn't
figured out anything, and that the minute the Bob Blazar
thing went south. Because what happened was when as long
as John Lear was telling the story. John Lear told
the story for about five months before it broke, and
he was telling the story. Nobody believed Ah and John Lear.

(01:08:11):
And what happened was that instead of Lazarre telling the
story and John Lear, what happened was George Nappan told
the story and he didn't even touch the story. Then
one night in May of nineteen eighty nine, they're missing
a guest on his show, the Evening News Show, and

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they wanted a live guest. So he said, you know,
you've got that guy up at Area fifty one. We're
missing a guest at six o'clock. I want to get him.
Let's get him. We want to put him on tonight.
And then they put him in back lit, they put
it on the camera. That's when it went viral. That's
when the story went viral, and Japan was there, every
news agency was there because it was no longer crazy
John Lear telling the story. Now it's George knapp who's

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got twenty four you know, Emmys and Peabody Awards and
this high level guy. And it went viral, and Clinton
actually had to go and grab all this land because
what was happening was people are going up into the
mountains to see the UFOs and they could see the base.
And now you had this most top secret base in
the United States, and these people have got binoculars and
telescopes and they're watching everything that's going on at the base.

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So Clinton had to actually take land away to move
them eleven Instead of eleven miles from the base, they
were twenty five miles from the base, and they could
see the base anymore. So it sort of went viral.
And the other thing that sort of indicates that this
was a setup that they wanted them to tell the
story that and it's that's the way it sort of
worked out. Nobody knows whether to believe the story about
Area fifty one. So the story is out there, the

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stories that they got a craft, they got it, but
you can't confirm with it's real. And the continue to
convinced me was in the end when he got caught.
They got caught on showing the tests, so they told
him when the test was takes John Lear out there.
Then they got caught by the cameo dudes and he
gets brought to Indian Springs Air Force Base the next
day and they put a gun to his head and

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they said, when we told you this was top secret,
it didn't mean to bring your friends along and watch
the test. And and and then what they do did
they arrest them? No? Did they you know you got
this this? Uh you know under Trump to get the
one guy. He's facing six years in jail and two
and a half million dollar fine for one count not
of releasing classified material, of having classified material written classified material.

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That this is the most dangerous thing you can do,
is have classified material. So if he was releasing the
most highly classided secret showing people a top secret test,
they didn't fire him. They didn't do anything. They just
let him go home and said, oh, okay, we you
know your your wife is fooling around on you and
we feel sorry for you. And so they didn't even
pull a security clearance. And this indicates like this is
a setup. They want him, They want him to go

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out and tell some more stories. And that's what they want.
So they do this all the time with with phony documents.
They are half true, half false. People jump all over
it and they control the story with disinformation so they're
basically telling you the story without spilling the milk. Because
if the president stands up and tells the real story
and says, okay, we got this, we got this, then

(01:11:01):
it's all over. Then it's like, you know, Field Day
of reporters. You're never going to drop that. They'll never
listen to anything you want to talk about. All they
are going to want to know about is UFOs and
you don't want to go there. So you have to
do this thing that they did in the There was
a report done by Rand Corporation in their early sixties
which talked about this what if we discovered extra trustraal life?

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And what the Rand Corporation said is what you've got
to do is if you discover that there is a
civilization visiting us, what you have to do is gradually
acclimatize the people to this thing. If you drop it
on them, the whole civilization will fall apart. And so
that's what they're doing. They're doing this gradual disclosure, little
bits and pieces. Plus you have people like Semivan who
are very upset that he doesn't know the answer to

(01:11:46):
his situation of the beings, who are these beings in
his room? And he's sort of fighting. So you have
these people, But I really have questions about people who
are coming out on whistleblowers, because the first question you
got to ask him is why are you not in jail?
This is classified material. You're releasing classified material. I don't
care if you think that the atomic bomb should be released.

(01:12:06):
Who cares what you think? It's classified material. Your opinion
has nothing to do with it. And it doesn't make
any sense that these guys can rock around, which means
to me that they're doing the true false thing that
you're telling you some true stuff some false stuff. And
you'll hear all the time. You'll hear, whether it's Elizondo
or any of these people, they'll say to they'll ask
the question, oh, I can't talk about that. I haven't

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been cleared to talk about that, which means there's somebody
above them giving them instructions as to what to say
and what they can't say. Somebody's watching it, and they're
they're gradually dropping these little bits of the story to
gradually move it down the road. But the end story
is I really do not believe that they have a
full understanding of what they're dealing with here. Just because
you've got a craft doesn't mean you know where it

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came from unless you find, like, you know, a driver's
license in the pocket of the Zeta reticular guys that
they came from Zeta Reticulae. Other than that, we how
would you know where they come from. It's this very
bizarre thing that's and these things are being dropped, which
people forget. I mean, it's not like they crashed. I
fully believe there's a top black ops guy in Nasau's

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Tim Taylor, that you'll often hear his name thrown around.
I actually met the guy and Tim Taylor basically says
he calls it the gifting field, and he maintains that
these things are being dropped on purpose to sort of
move us a little bit. So you have a gradual
disclosure going for the government, and the aliens who control
us or whoever they are, are doing the same thing.
They're doing this gradual disclosure. They're doing these weird things,

(01:13:34):
these weird, weird things of putting marks on people's body,
which is just totally bizarre. And the one guy, he's
out of Israel, his son's got the marks on his body,
and he said to me, he wrote a book called one.
The basic message is it's all one thing, where everything's connected,
everything's alive, everything's conscious, everything's one. That was the message.
And he wrote the book and his son had read

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the book. His son is now twenty years old. And
he said he discovered his son's got these marks on
his bad which we've seen on other experiences, so it
indicates that his son may be an experiencer as well.
And he said to me, he said, what am I
going to tell my son? He's read my book, but
I don't know. I don't want to freak him out.
I don't want to mention this mark on his body
and stuff like that. What should I tell him? I said,
tell him one thing. Did they come a thousand light

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years to put marks on the back of your son? No,
this is a message. This is just basically a message
that makes you go, what's going on here? Like? What
is what's this? I wonder if I've been an experiencer
and they've got everybody running around trying to figure what's
going on, And eventually, as we all work on it,
and we all try to figure this thing out, we
get closer and closer to the sort of the answer,

(01:14:36):
and we get you know more developed in what we're thinking.
And that's what they want us to do. They want
us to figure it out for ourselves. That's what the
Apha message was the Canadians, we are other than stopping
a nuclear exchange. We're not allowed to interfere. You know,
we're going to allow the human races to stud in
his own juices. But they're giving us these little breadcrumbs

(01:14:57):
to try to move us along and get us understand
that the world is not the way you think it is.
The world is made out of consciousness. It's there is
no the physical world. Even if you look on AI.
You look on AI and look up what is primary?
Is it fields or is it matter? Fields are primary
before matter? Fields creat matter? And then you get this
whole thing about what actually happened in the creation is

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are the field's consciousness field? Is it a consciousness field?
And you see more and more all the time of
experiences being told and the quantum physics stuff that indicates
consciousness is primary. Matter is second. And these people are
working in a field of consciousness, They live in a
field of consciousness. They can slow their vibration, come into
our world, do whatever they've got to do. Appear as

(01:15:41):
a UFO and then sort of disappear and go back
into their world. And as my experience, your friend in
Israel was told by his beings. He said, he said,
when we come into your world, we take on a body.
We don't need to take on a body. When we
come into your world, you can do the same thing.
You just don't know it. It's this idea that we
think it's a physical world and we're tied into this

(01:16:02):
physical world. And what the phenomenon is telling us is no,
the world is much more complex than what you think
it is. And they're doing this on curiosity, because until
there's awe and curiosity, there is no investigation. You're not
going to investigate anything unless you're really curious. And what
you do is if they do something where they put
a mark on your body, you find a triangle on
your arm, You're going to remember that for you rest

(01:16:22):
of your life. You're going to tell everything you know
a strangle on the Okay, I figure where it came from.
It is the most bizarre thing. That's what they do.
And because it makes you in a curiosity and you
start investigating, that's what they're trying to do is get
everybody to investigate and realize the world is not You're
not You're no longer in Kansas anymore. This is the
Wizard of Oz. The world when you look at it
just gets more complex and more complex and grander and

(01:16:44):
more complex. And that's what they're trying to tell is
that you guys have no clue. And in fact I
was told that clearly. I was told, you think you
know what's going on, you haven't got a clue what's
going on. That's what it's told four times at least.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
The reason I brought up that craft of Bob Blazaars.
If people have seen pictures, if they've seen the S
four Bob Bazaar story, there are no control type devices
inside that craft for flying it. So it would either
have to be all consciousness telepathy control are it ain't moving?

Speaker 5 (01:17:15):
Yeah, And that's what people describe inside the craft or
or the people that I had was really weird. They
would they would they would be on the craft, and
everybody touched something on the craft. So the craft is alive,
the craft is conscious. So what they do? You touch
something on the craft. So people would touch a bee hive,
they would touch the panel, they would touch the end
of a seat everything, and the weird thing was all

(01:17:37):
thirty six people touch something different. But that was the thing.
They became one with the craft and when they when
they touched the craft, they become one with the craft.
And then the beings would say two of them the
people directly. This is a quote what they were told.
They said, Okay, where we'd like to go? Ron Johnson,
as a friend of mine, they said to run and say, Karan,
where we'd like to go? Go for a ride. They said, okay,
I'd like to see the milky away from a distance,

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which would be like sixty seventy thousand light years from here.
They said, okay, Ron, it is within you go within
yourself when you can imagine it, then we'll go there.
And he imagined it, and he said instantly one second,
it was just instantaneous boom like that, he was there.
And that's what you see in near death experience and
the ear in the earth experience, especially in out of

(01:18:19):
body experience, where people will have near death experience or
out of boud experience and they will think to go somewhere,
I want where's my mother and they'll instantaneously be with
their mother and stuff like that. There's instantaneous movement, and
that's when you start to see the crossover that when
you hear people see in like UFO experiences when they
get abducted to say I can see him three in
R sixty degrees, and I go, hey, that's exactly what

(01:18:39):
near death experienced people say. That's what aut about experience
people say. And so you start wondering, is this all
the same thing. It's just taking it. They're coming. One
is coming as an alien, one is coming as a
you know, near death experience, all this kind of stuff,
and there it's all the same thing. It's this once
you get into that frequency, the near death experience thing,
that's why you get UFO people. But they're all this

(01:19:00):
debate about dead people on board the ship. Well maybe
instead of them recreating the dead people, maybe you're in
the world of the dead people. And that's why they
can bring your dead relative on board the UFO craft,
because that's where it's happening. It's not happening on a
physical level. It's happening at a higher vibratory level, and
that's where the dead people live or bashar. The famous
Chandler says, we come to you in your dreams because

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now you're in our world and this is this idea
of vibration. It's not going out here going places. That
the whole thing with the experiments from quantum physics, the
idea that time and space may be an illusion. So
if there's no time in space, how big is the universe?
It may be a singularity here and now, and it's
all here and it's all, you know, like a hologram,

(01:19:45):
and we're all imagining it. We're all in this little,
tiny singularity. And that's where this disclosure problem comes in,
is that if you've got to get start going down
that road as the president of the United States, you
just don't want to go there because it's just they
have so many unanswered questions. Even if they even if
they do have, you know, an alien and you know
where it comes from, there's just so many unanswered questions

(01:20:06):
that they just don't want to go there.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
All I noticed, and a lot of people I've had
all discussing out of body experiences too, that you have
to reach a higher vibration to reach that state. So
all this makes sense. It ties together. Uh, I know,
I know, you need to get back to other things here.
This evening but would you give your website and any
information about books and stuff to our listeners before you
need to go.

Speaker 5 (01:20:28):
Okay, My website is PRESIDENTIALUFO dot org. My email address
for people who maybe have bodies or on marks on
their body, or have had direct physical contact with beings
is president white House UFO at gmail dot com. And

(01:20:49):
the books I'm about to release, I just released a
book called The Big Game. We were going to call
it the super Bowl. It's a two part book and
it basically goes to this whole thing I called it
originally called crossovers. And this is this whole thing where
I suddenly started to realize that all sorts of like
orbs happened in physical media's, they happened in psychics, they
happen in near the experience, they happen in in abduction

(01:21:12):
cases with you know, after they come back, and stuff
like that. And so we just these two books are
on this crossovers to show that maybe all the same
thing that you start to see the single, you know,
similarities between all these paranormal phenomena. And then I have
a second music book. I'm very bizarre that I've never
no background in music, but I've done two books on
paranormal experiences in music where people get instantaneous songs, where

(01:21:37):
all the famous songs came from. How many people downloaded songs,
all the famous songs, just unbelievable. How many came in
dreams and and you know, instantaneous and stuff like that,
and people who could transcribe music from dead people. Just
all these bizarre stories. I've dead. So I get a
music book coming out, and I have a book on

(01:21:58):
a psyche, a channeler from eighteen forty seven, which is
very interesting. His name was Anthony Davis, and I do
that book and I compare him to all the modern channelers.
I take thirty nine of the main things that he
said as part of his teaching is what he was
told he was channeling, and I compare it to Bashard,

(01:22:19):
to Seth to Abraham, to Paul Sellek, to all the
main channelers today and basically one hundred percent, so one
hundred and seventy five years between these two, and they're
all saying the same thing. So I've got that, and
he's got the main points of how the world works
that people ask them. Everybody's saying the same thing. And

(01:22:41):
then I have what's the other book coming out. Oh anyway,
I've got a few books that I just sort of
get down these little rabbit holes and I I've got
a second book on flying the craft, which was it's
pretty significant because now you've got this skywatcher group that
former military people and stuff like that who now have

(01:23:03):
got the sonics. They suddenly discovered sonics. Well I was
talking about it years before them, and I sort of thought, well,
did this still my book here? Like what? And they're
not claiming that the government's got people who fly crafts
and they can interact with the crafts and it's the
same thing. It's done through this this consciousness interface thing
where if you learn how it works, you can you
can do this. But I've got all these the second

(01:23:26):
book coming out on people like Whitley Streeber and his
his engagement with the craft, whether he flew the craft
or not, and it's it's pretty interesting where you see
everybody telling exactly the same story. Three hundred sixty degree vision.
The you know, the craft is alive, it's conscious, you
can go anywhere you want instantaneously, and it gets it's

(01:23:49):
for me, I'm starting to understand better. For until twenty twelve,
I was basically spinning my wheels. I just you know,
it was just like one story after another. And that's
the sort of I warned people and you followed you.
That's just the sort of the story you go. The
thing you got to avoid is telling stories about sightings
because it's it's interesting if you haven't know you O
a UFO sighting. But basically we're still trying to prove

(01:24:12):
UFOs exist, and we did that nineteen forty seven. So
I have the advantage that I got to see five
times up close in seventy five seventy six, so there's
no doubt in my mind what was going on. I
got past that. Let's go SkyWatch, let's see a UFO.
It's like, this doesn't mean anything. It proves that UFOs exist.
You've got to get past UFOs exist and get to

(01:24:32):
the thing is why are they here? Who are they
what is the message? Why are they here now? And
is anybody talking to them? And what are the people
being told and stuff like that. So that's where I'm now.
I've sort of shifted, but you see a lot of
the community starting to shift. Even the people start talking
about consciousness, and I can tell they haven't got a
clue what they're talking about, but they now know. This

(01:24:52):
is a keyword you got to use in the UFO
field because the government is now talking about this consciousness thing,
these skywatcher people and people really there may be actually
be it may be actually true that this thing is
not as nuts and bolts as people think it is.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Well, you are welcome back. When your next books come out.
We'll discuss it with the audience and fill them in
on it so they can look them up.

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
Well, I do really appreciate your giving me the time
to tell my stories one more time and hopefully people
learn something from it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Well, thank you, sir, and I'll let you get on
with your evening. Okay, I'm sure you need to get
back to writing those books.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
Yeah, all right, we'll talk again soon.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Alrighty, you have a good evening, Sorday, you bet it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Thank you, Juline host Carl Richardson as he interviews top
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Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
As we wrap up tonight's edition of Midnight Frequency Radio,
I want to thank our guests. Grant Cameron for sharing
his decades of research into presidential UFI knowledge, government secrecy, disclosure,
and the mysteries that continue to surround the UFO phenomenon.
Whether these secrets are hidden in classified files are tied

(01:26:12):
to something even deeper, involving consciousness in our place in
the universe. The search for answers continues. Next Saturday night
on Midnight Frequency Radio, will welcome Samuel Chong to discuss
the fascinating book The Thioba Prophecy by Michael desma Quit.
The book tells the extraordinary story of a journey to

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an advanced extraterrestrial world where profound lessons about humanity, spirituality, reincarnation,
and our future were revealed. It's one of the most
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(01:26:56):
the world. That's next Saturday night, right here on Midnight
Frequency Radio until next time. For the late art mail
Joshua Stark and Evan Lewis. I'm Carl Richardson and this
has been Midnight Frequency Radio until next time.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Good night, everybody in

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