Michael Schratt August 8th 2026 UFO Disclosure, Investigation, History

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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Good evening, everyone, and welcome to Midnight Frequency Radio, coming
to you live from the Ozark Foothills in northeast Arkansas.
I'm your host, Carl Richardson. Tonight, we're going to do
something that I think is becoming increasingly important when we
talk about UFOs. We're going to look backward. These days,
almost every conversation about UFOs seems to revolve around u aps, disclosure,

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congressional hearings, whistleblowers, and whatever the Pentagon may or may
not be telling us. But long before anybody started calling
these things UAPs, people were looking into the sky and
seeing objects that apparently had no business being there. For decades, pilots,

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police officers, military personnel, and ordinary citizens have reported enormous
craft moving silently through the night, objects performing maneuvers conventional
aircraft couldn't duplicate, and close encounters that remain unexplained. But
thousands of others have been largely forgotten, buried in newspaper

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archives and collections accumulated by organizations such as the APRO,
the NICAP, move On and CUFOS. And that's where tonight's
journey begins. Our guest, Michael Scratt, has spent more than
thirty years investigating over seventy five thousand UFO case files,

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traveling to archives, examining private collections, and conducting what he
calls boots on the ground research. Tonight, Michael will be
talking to us on what we'll call our version of
the UFO Magical Mystery Tour. We're going to travel through
decades of UFO history, from the nineteen fifty eight encounter

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involving the USS Franklin D. Roosevelt to Falcon Lake, the
nineteen seventy three Mansfield Army helicopter incident Cash London, the
enormous craft reported over Hudson Valley, the Belgian Triangle sidings,
and several remarkable cases that many of us have probably

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never even heard of. But Michael brings another perspective to
this subject. He's also a military aerospace historian and private pilot.
He has spent years studying classified aircraft, advanced aerospace programs,
and propulsion systems, and that raises an important question. When

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somebody sees something extraordinary in the sky, what exactly are
they seeing technology from somewhere else? A classified military aircraft
years ahead of what the public knows exist, are something
else entirely history has shown us that extraordinary aircraft can

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be flying while the government publicly denies their existence. But
then there are cases involving massive silent craft, incredible acceleration,
strange occupants, physical effects, and technology seeming far beyond anything
known at the time. And that's where the mystery deepens.

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Maybe some of the answers we're looking for aren't hiding
in the latest government report. Maybe they've been sitting quietly
in archives and filing cabinets for fifty, sixty or seventy years,
waiting for someone to take another look. Tonight, we're going
to open some of these old files. We're going back

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to the witnesses, back to the pilots, back to the
military encounters, and back to those strange nights when somebody
looked into the sky and saw something they simply couldn't explain.
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Speaker 1 (06:24):
Michael. Welcome to Midnight Frequency Radio.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Thank you, Carl. Good to be with you.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
I guess I'm going to start out before we get
into the UFO cases this evening. Can you tell us
a little bit about yourself. I know you're a private
pilot and you have you're being into military airspace history.
What first started it all for you? Was it an
airshow you saw, or something you read or something different?

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Well, first of all, I want to thank you for
that miraculous and wonderful introduction. That was great.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Well, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
I mean that was just so well worded. To answer
your question, aviation has been a passion of mine my
entire life. My father took me to ash Goosh very
early on and went like twenty seven years in a row.
One thing led to the next. I started researching classified
aircraft within the military industrial complex. I wanted to find

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out where our tax dollars are disappearing, and it was
very clear that there was a whole series of birds
within the Reagan administration that have never seen the day
of the light of day. So I thought that was interesting.
That led to some of the UFO sidings that mimic
the form, fit and function of other things that we've seen. So,

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in point of fact, when we look at UFOs, there's
a significant portion of UFO sightings that are our own
deep black programs, and they're painting their aircraft with the
UFO brush, And that's where the confusion lies, because we
could be looking at eighty five five percent our own craft,
but they want us to believe that everything is alien.

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It's a great cover. So we'll look at some of
those tonight.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Is a tr three b one of those, it's all.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
I think it's one of those for a number of reasons,
because if we look at the Belgium triangle wave nineteen
eighty nine nineteen ninety, we had thousands of eyewitness reported
a trianglar shaped craft with rounded corners. There was a
white light at each corner, there was a red light
in the center, and then witnesses reported tubes, pipes and

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cylinders and a grill work and a diamond treadwork and
register like a heating register. That's what they described on
the bottom. They also reported a low frequency electrical hunt
noise like a transformer or a sewing machine, So that
is indicative of a high voltage electrical field.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Do you remember the first ufok shoe encounter that made
you think, hmm, maybe this is real or just something
to it.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
I don't know if I remember the first one, but
certainly the classic cases are significant, right, and I think
like top three just in my assessment is Hudson Valley
Boomerang nineteen eighty two to nineteen eighty nine, twenty five
thousand witnesses. At the very minimum, March twenty fourth, nineteen

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eighty three, we had hundreds of people that pulled off
to the side of the road on the Taconic State Parkway.
They were looking up, completely shocked to see a massive
boomerang shaped craft with spotlight shining down. There were reports
of a buzzing noise, just like the Belgium triangle that
happened years later. They also reported that those pipes and

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tubes and cylinders and these things were primarily seen on
Thursday nights. They were always seen at night. Essentially, the
military never scrambled left sixteens. I thought that was interesting.
Why would you not want to scramble F sixteens unless
they need Yeah, yeah, that funny. I always thought that
was interesting. Okay, then number two, we've got Lonnie Zamora

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April twenty fourth, nineteen sixty four, Secoro, New Mexico, where
he encountered a minimum sixteen foot long egg shaped craft
with pogo landing gear legs with very interesting landing gear
pads that appear to be man made. Two small statue
humanoid beings wearing a one piece type fitting flight suit.

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So that's number two. Number three has to be Cash
Landrum December twenty ninth, nineteen eighty Huffman, Texas, where Betty
Cash Vicki Landrum and Kolbe Landrum encountered a double you
could call it a double ice cream cone connected at
the wide end with a series of porthole windows wrapped
around the outer circumference. Was bobbing above Kimee Farm Roade

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fourteen twenty five near Huffman, Texas. And every time this
craft would bob down, there was a blue colored flame
coming out of the bottom and it left a burned
scorch mark on the pavement. Now, according to John Schustler,
who we just lost recently, the Army Corps of Engineers
came in, they dug up the road and then two

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weeks later they dug it up again and repaved it twice,
which I thought was very interesting. So those are top three.
So I think a combination of just the critical cases
kind of mixed in with the man made craft just
never left me. It's always kept my attention.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
When you do your boots on the ground and you
go through a university ar cribs, private collections and stuff
are when you're visiting moufon and going through their stuff,
what types of things do you find in their files?

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Right? Well, that's what I love to do. I love
digging up these old cases and making them come alive.
For example, Q four Center for UFO Studies, that's twenty
four fifty seven West Peterson Aviting, Downtown Chicago, now been
moved from that location, but they had just about sixteen
file cabinets of thousands of files, probably sixty thousand, and

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it literally took three years to go through every single
Manila folder. Now, the criteria that I used was that
if it had a flight path report, it had a
sketch from the witness of the craft itself, and then
kind of a three page narrative to go with it.
Those three criteria is what I used to copy it.

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If it had that, I would make a copy. If
it didn't, I would move on to the next one.
And so from that point I do a solid works
AutoCAD rendering, a full color rendering. And now with the
technology we have today, we can really make these cases
come alive. So that's important to preserve our history.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
As you go through these files, and like I say,
I'm sure you have a large stack that ends up
pushing it aside your background and aviation and stuff. Does
that help and you're examining these as far as possible
reports of the maneuverability of the craft or the speed.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
I think so, And what I'm finding here, and I
think this is important to stress, is that when you
start looking through these old historical cases which the government
refuses to acknowledge, they think that anything prior to the
Nimits encounter doesn't exist, and they rebranded UFOs as UAP,
trying to make anything prior to completely disappear. Where We're

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going to shatter that tonight. But what I'm finding when
I go through these cases is that a lot of
these UFOs have prong sticking out, have protrusions sticking out,
have like steel rods sticking out with a spherit at
the end. And I'm thinking, what is that for these

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features on these UFOs. It's not by accident. Every single
feature on these UFOs, they serve a purpose. It's not
by accident. So I started digging and I started really
meditating on this, and I collected probably thirty cases now
where I've got these UFOs with these prong sticking out

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with spheres at the end of them.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
What is this?

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Why would UFOs have this on there? So when you
look at high voltage electrical equipment, you've got these static
electrical discharge probes that you see on a Whimshurst generator.
We'll look at it tonight, and that is an absolute
telltale sign of a high voltage electrical charge field, which

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also causes static electricity, which we've heard many times on
witnesses where the hair stood up on their arms and
there was static on the radio. That's exactly what happens
when you have a localized static electrical field. But to
dissipate that electrical charge, you've got these discharge and that
I believe is what's going on, and that points to

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a man made technology for some of these UFOs, but
not all of them.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, you've been involved with the term crashing retrieval cases.
What does that consist of.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Well, it's been kicked around a lot now, and that's
primarily almost all we're hearing about. You mentioned disclosure and
your introduction, and you're absolutely correct. The other terminology we're
hearing is the quote unquote legacy program. When they say
their word legacy program. In point of fact, what they
are referring to, which is completely forgotten about now because

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this is all ancient history. They are referring to Leonard
Springfield's original crash retrieval cases. He was doing this fifty
years ago, and he's an unsung hero, like nobody even
even knows of him. Certainly, he's less known in ufology.
Now he is known to a certain degree, but when

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you step outside the ring of UFO researchers, he's completely unknown.
If you talk to someone on the street or coworker
and you mentioned the word Leonard Springfield, that name, they
won't know who you're talking about. And I think it's
sad because he was literally fifty years ahead of his time.
And we're hearing about reverse engineering programs in the halls

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of Congress in Washington, DC, we're hearing about legacy UAP
crash retrieval programs. David Grush talks about an ongoing UAP
crash retrieval program. What he's referring to is Leonard Springfield's
original witnesses. Now, Leonard spent thirty years collecting first hand

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military witnesses, who held the bodies, who did the autopsies,
who worked on the tissue samples, who loaded craft onto
eighteen wheeler tractor trailer low boy trucks and the ship
them to write Patterson Air Force Space. These are the
first ten military witnesses that we really need to track
down because, as Stanton talked about many times, at this point,

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we are beyond chasing the Undertaker. It is the final
curtain call when.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
We look back, can we go beyond Roswell? As far
as I believe, there was one crash in Cape Girardo
of Missouri, if I'm not mistaken, that predates Roswell, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yeah, there's a couple of cases that predate Roswell that
we have a case north of Georgia at an army
base that even Leonard didn't know where it was, but
that was in nineteen forty two. We had the Battle
Los Angeles that was prior to Rosswell, we have the
Magenta Italy case in thirty three, so there were cases,

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and of course you've got Cape Girardo nineteen forty one,
so there were cases prior to Roswell.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Roswell just seems to stick out. I guess that's story
has been sold so many told so many times, and
then appeired on so many different movies and everything related.
That's the one everyone kind of gravitates toward. But you're right,
You're right, the one in Cape Girado was there a
craft retrieve then at.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
That absolutely so. It's April twentieth of nineteen forty one.
Reverend William Hoffman he had a knock on the door.
He got a call from the police department and they
came in a car. It wasn't a squad car, and
I think it was running nine thirty ten pm at night,

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and he goes in with the police officer. They drive
across town. When they get there, they see some smoldering embers.
There's some farm people nearby. And he said that he
saw about a thirty foot diameter dish shaped craft that
was augured in at about a thirty deg gre angle.
There was a whole breach on the side of the craft.
He looked inside and I've got illustrations of all of this,

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and he said that there was what looked like a
control panel with buttons and switches. There appeared to be
some chairs in there. Now he saw two deceased et bodies.
They were three and a half to four feet tall.
They were wearing a one piece, tight fitting flight suit
that was dark in color. They had oversized head, oversized eyes,
slipped for a mouth minute nose. One of them was

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still alive. He got to him within sixty seconds. By
that time, the military took over control of the whole area.
The police was there, the fire department was there. Now.
While all this was going on, before the military took
total control of this, there were newspaper photographers going around

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snapping photographs. And one of these newspaper photographers snapped a
photo of two farm helpers lifting up one of the
dead deceased et corpses, supporting it under its armpits and
outstretching its arms and took a snapshot of this thing.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
I'm familiar with that, And he took it on a
small pocket camera was small for that time, and they
didn't confiscate anything from it.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah, that's good. Two weeks later that photographer showed up
at the reverend's home and said, Reverend, I think I've
got something I want to give you here, and he
gave him a copy of that photograph and it was
handed down through the family. Charlotte Man got to get
good to see this. She saw it with her own eyes.
She described it, and then it disappeared into the hands

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of a quote unquote photography expert and it's never been
seen again. So I spent a lot of time trying
to reproduce that, and so you can see that we
get so close in these UFO cases, but then something
always throws us two feet back.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Makes you wish the family had made a second copy
and buried in a time capsule.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
So I'm sure for sure, Yes, let's.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Move on to Broswell. I know they had to one
crash there, but was there not a separate vehicle.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Well, it's been alleged that there was a second vehicle,
but if you talk specifically to Don Schmidt about that now,
he only signs off on one crash. So that would
have been on the night of July second, nineteen forty seven,
at eleven fifty nine PM, where the main craft exploded
over the Foster Ranch and rained down the debris. The

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next morning, July third, nineteen forty seven, we've got Mac
Brazil and seven year old Timothy D. Proctor who got
up there on horseback. They saw the debris field and
there were three types of debris. Number one, various size
and lengths of paper thin material that looked like aluminum foil,
that could be cut, could not be burned, could not

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be dented with a sixteen pound sledgehammer. That's debris number one.
Degree number two is the so called memory metal, which
Don Schmidt and Tom Cary have been looking for for decades,
and we want to put a call out to anyone
listening to this broadcast if you or someone you know

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has a piece of Roswell debris, whether it be the
small paper thin aluminum material, the memory metal that you
could crumple up into a ball and then when you
let it go over a table it would spread out
like liquid mercury. That's debris number two. Debris number three
was various lengths of small I beam with pastel kind

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of like violet symbols written on the inside wall of
the eyebeam. Any one of those three please contact Carl Richardson.
We want to preserve an important part of our national history.
So in a nutshell, that was the initial case. Now,
the main craft kept going eastbound because the trajectory was

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essentially from the northwest to the southeast. It was traveling
eastbound before it impacted thirty five miles north of Roswell.
There were two bodies that were ejected from the escape pod.
That's the second body site. So there were five bodies
recovered and one was still alive. So the main part

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of the craft, which was an escape pod the size
of a Volkswagen. It was egg shaped, landed thirty five
miles north of Roswell, where they found two more deceased
ET bodies and a survivor.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Did the survivor do you know, it's hard to say
surviving any period of time or Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
We got that first hand from Marion Black mac magruder,
who in April of nineteen forty eight was at Montgomery
Field and he was called with his other fighter pilots
for a special assignment at Wright Patterson Air Force Base.
When they got there, they were brought into a room.

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There were two men with cardboard boxes that have walked
into this room. So you can imagine the scene here.
You've got like twenty four ACE pilots from World War Two,
like the best of the best, are kind of sitting
down in this room and these two guys walking with
these cardboard boxes and they start handing out pieces of
the Roswell debris. They wanted to get their reaction from

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seasoned World War two ACE fighter pilots couldn't handle this
new reality. You know. It was like a trial balloon. Now,
once that was done, the debris was put back into
this box. They were led down a corridor. They made
a left hand turn. Now they were at a room
with a one way mirror, and Marion Black macmgruder saw

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the survivor. So he survived from at least July nineteen
forty seven to April nineteen forty eight. He saw it
in a one way mirror. He said, he looked squidly.
It reminded him of Casper the Ghost. He had emaciated
body features, his hands went down below his knees, he
had an oversized head, oversized eyes, and they also saw

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the additional deceased et corpses. So this is April nineteen
forty eight at right Patterson Air Force Base.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
They kind of fit the profile of a standard gray
more or less a.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Little bit yep, kind of sort of like that. But
they had a one piece, tight fitting flight suit when
they recover. Now here's the thing, though. The crash took
place on the night of July second, nineteen forty seven,
So the bodies were sitting out in the desert and
rotting and decomposing for the night of the second, the third,

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the fourth, the fifth, the sixth, into the night of
the seventh. So you can see by the time they
got there, these bodies were in bad shape.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
I'm not sure I would have wanted to smell it, but.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Well, it's interesting you mentioned that, and this is what's
talked about in Witness to Roswell, which I highly recommend.
If you're skeptical about roswell, or you have a friend
or family member that's skeptical about roswell, I highly recommend
that book Witness to Roswell by Don Schmitt and Tom Carey.
In that book, they specifically discuss what the pungent odor

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smelled like. People who are on the retrieval teams that
were in proximity to these bodies. When they got home,
they could absolutely not get that stench out of the clothes,
and the wives had to burn their clothes. Now keep
in mind, this is a weather balloon we're talking about here.
According to the government, this is what the first hand
military witnesses from the five or ninth bomb Group described.

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They don't describe by weather balloon. There'd be no reason
to burn their clothes if it was a weather blown
So we're talking about something different here.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
If you hit any illustrations you wanted the show too,
you could do it now or if you wanted to
hold off till later, I'll leave that.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
I'm fine sharing my screens.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Okay, should we do that, Let's do it.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Okay, we'll do it. Okay share screen share Okay, hopefully
you can see that. Yes, slide show. I'm going to
go from beginning here and that should make this large.
Now if it doesn't, I'm going to go to the
next side. I want to make sure it's tracking on
your end. Okay. So do you see this one?

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Yeah, you do see that one.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
So the title of this is UFO Magical Mystery Tour.
And what I've done with this presentation is these are
the best of the best from all the university archives,
all the private archives, q folks, nightcap files, mew fund files,
personal files that were sent to me. I dug all

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this stuff up, I put it in a congruent timeline,
I did an AutoCAD drawing of it, and then I
did a three D full color rendering, and I commissioned
people from all around the world to help me. So
this is kind of what I call the UFO Magical
Mystery Tour. Here a couple quick announcements. The visual aids
using this presentation are computer generated forensic composite illustrations which

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originated from actual UFO case files and eyewitness reports. So
here's where I got the information. Q Folks, ncap apro
mupon Invisible Residents by Ivan T. Sanderson, Uninvited Guests by
Richard Hall, National UFO Historical Record Center, UFO Newspaper Clipping,

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the Leonard Springfield Collection, Gray Barker UFO Collection, Boots on
the Ground. And then through this presentation, I'm going to
give you the dates, the times, the locations, the references
where I got this, so that you can use the
scientific principle and duplicate this on your own. I want
to give you that opportunity so that you can verify this.

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So I thought we'll start here foo fighters aerial oddities
of World War Two. We're going in ahead of the
flying saucers that were reported in nineteen forty some. This
is prior to that time with Kenneth Arnold. This is
prior to that. The reference for this is Strange Company

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Military Encounters with UFOs. That's where I got the information,
very good book. And this is Newcastle Sun, January third,
nineteen forty five. And here they say foo fighters are
latest pilots flying over Germany at night report that strange
balls of fire are following them around on their missions.

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They have christened these strange phenomenon foo Fighters. So here
we've got American B twenty nine bombers encountered Foo fighters
over till thank you on May twenty third, nineteen forty three.
So we've got Allied B seventeen's, we've got Allied B
twenty four Liberators in the European theater, and then in
the Pacific theater we had the B twenty nine bombers.

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So it was a combination of all three bombers April
twenty sixth, nineteen forty four. And we'll just do a
couple of these. Here. We've got an RIF Lancaster bomber
with a six hundred and twenty second squadron encounters four
glowing orbs with stubby wings while returning from a mission
over Germany. So I love this Lancaster bomber.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Here.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
These are seasoned bomber pilots. No reason to lie. Now.
What's interesting about these quote unquote food fighter sidings as
when they opened up the fifty caliber weapons on these
bombers and they saw the tracer rounds go into these
food fighters. They absorbed the rounds, they did not go

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out through the other side. So whoever or whatever's building
this had the technology to fly rings around our best
aircraft and they could outfly, outpace and absorb the weapons.
So I think it's interesting something to consider. A B
seventeen bomber from the Fifth Air Force encountered a blue
colored ball of fire over Unique, Germany on October twenty ninth,

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nineteen forty four. It's going to the next one. Here,
this is another illustration. I mean, these bomber pilots are
credible military witnesses. Here this is another illustration I've put together. Now,
they were bombing the ball bearing factories and the oil refineries,
encountering these strange lights that would come up to the squadron,

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fly around, then take off and skid out a lot
of there. Here's another version here. This gives you a
three quarter view on the right side of the B
B seventeens on the night of May Tewod nineteen forty five,
nine B twenty four Liberator bombers with the eleventh Bombardment
Groups four hundred thirty first Squadron. We're flying over the

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Japanese island of truck Atoll. The bomber crews observed two
cherry red orbs. So this is nineteen forty five. On
July seventh, nineteen forty five, a B twenty nine bomber
encountered a red colored glowing food fighter over the Japanese
city of Cisibo. And we'll go into this one here.

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During the early nineteen fifties, there was an official order
issued to Air Force pilots to shoot these flying saucers down.
So this is Cincinnati Enquirer, July twenty ninth, nineteen fifty two,
and they say here shoot saucers down. Jet pilots so
ordered in twenty four hour era alert. So in the

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early nineteen fifties there was a standing order by the
Air Force to our pilots to shoot these things down.
Let's do a couple more newspaper clippings. Here it says
jets keeping twenty four hour alert for saucers. Pilots order
to down objects if they don't land. Next one on

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the saucer trail, Pilots told shoot them down. Jets on
twenty four hour alert to shoot down saucers. So bottom
line is these craft which are F ninety fours were
encountering these dish shaped craft. They had gun cameras on them.
But by nineteen fifty two, a couple of years into

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this order, they rescinded this order because there were multiple
aircraft that were lost and multiple pilots that were lost,
so they rescinded the order. Here here is a good
shot of an F ninety four starfire. This is primarily
the aircraft that was involved and these intempted UFO intercepts.

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There's essentially only two places in America. There might be
a couple more, but I finally two where you can
see one of these. The one on the left is
the Pima Aerospace Museum in Arizona. That's basically in two sound,
and it has the front rocket flaps in the closed position.
If you want to see it with the open position,

(34:07):
you got to go to the Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio,
which you can spend a whole day there. So what
I wanted to do is I commission my good friend
Rudy Guardea. He gets credit for the drawing here. But
this is one of these intercepts. And this went on
multiple times during the early nineteen fifties. So here is
my full color rendering to give people an idea what

(34:28):
this look like over Washington, d C. This is confirmed
on radar. This happened many times, many times, and we
lost aircraft and pilots, which the Air Force does not
want to talk about that. They want to essentially keep
it under wraps.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
I'm sure they do that.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Sure they do. And because they don't want to admit
that they're not in control of the skies, they can't
do anything. We put up our best fighters and it
was no match. I have to highlight this book, Shoot
Them Down The Flying Saucer Air Wars of teen fifty
two by my very good friend Frank Fashino, who's probably
the world's expert on the attempted pilot UFO intercepts in

(35:11):
the nineteen fifties and also the Flatwoods Monster case of
nineteen fifty two. He's the world's expert. There's no one
better in the world. He's the best of the best. Okay,
now we need to talk about this man right here.
This is Gordon Cooper, and he had a number of
UFO related events and we're going to talk about them here.

(35:31):
I considered Gordon Cooper a reliable witness. He was a
pilot and then he became an astronaut. He was one
of the original Mercury seven astronauts. So a couple things here,
bullet item number one. Number one, he wrote a personal
letter to the United Nations regarding UFOs in nineteen seventy eight.
Number two, he was involved in an attempted UFO intercept

(35:54):
over West Germany in nineteen fifty one. And number three
he was involved and if a UFO landing case at
Edward's Air Force Base back in nineteen fifty seven. We're
going to look at some of these here. All of
this is highlighted in his book Leap of Faith and
Astronauts Journey into the Unknown. So if you want to

(36:16):
learn a little bit more about this, I just you
don't even have to buy it. Go to the library,
local library. You can pick this up. And he goes
into intricate detail on what these encounters were actually like.
So let's go to the first one, nineteen fifty one,
West Germany, and he's within Squadron mate here. Over two

(36:36):
consecutive weekends there was reports from the meteorologist at the
Air Force base, and this meteorologist kind of came up
to these pilots and say, hey, guys, I've been seeing
these dish shaped craft. They're metallic, they have a dome
on top. It's been going on for two weeks. Why
don't you guys try to intercept this. So Gordon went

(36:56):
to his wingman and said, let's do it. So I'm
in their F eighty six saber jets. They go up
at a forty five degree angle. They tried to intercept
these and there was no chance because whoever or whatever
was flying these and remember these are about thirty foot diameter,
dish shaped craft, metallic appearance, with the dome on top.

(37:17):
They could make ninety degree left hand turns at high velocity,
they could fly backwards, they could zip, and they could
fly to the right. It's like they conquered gravity. It
was not an issue to them. Gordon Cooper could not
intercept them. This is another version I put together here.
This gives you an idea what this might have looked like.
Now they didn't get quite this close, but this just

(37:39):
gives you an idea of F eighty six as trying
to intercept these craft. Here we'll go to the newspaper, clicking.
I'm not going to read the whole thing. But this
is Corvellis Gazette Times, October eleventh, two thousand and four.
Here it says earlier in nineteen fifty one, Cooper and
other persons several times cited an entire formation of circular

(38:04):
objects passing over their Air Force base in Western Germany.
Quote we never could get close enough in our saber
jets to pin them down, but they were round in
shape and very metallic looking. Direct quote from Gordon Cooper.
All right, May twenty fifth, nineteen fifty five, between EPSOM
and Dunsford, England. You've got a four range and civilian

(38:27):
airliner here encountering this cigar shaped craft with kind of
pointed ends. We'll go to Flying Saucer News and this
is interesting article. Here they interview pilot and co pilot.
This is summer nineteen fifty five. It says flight engineer
Jose Elva said, quote the objects seem to approach from

(38:50):
the port side and pass right under our nose. To me,
it looked like a silver cigar. There was no smoke
trail from it. The radio office Jo Almidez said that
the object was traveling at a terrific speed. This is
nineteen fifty five. And that in all his nine years
of flying he had never seen anything like it. It
looked as though it was made out of aluminum, he said. So,

(39:13):
now we've got some type of cigar shaped craft that
looks like it has conquered or negated gravity nineteen fifty five,
and it's making these incredible maneuvers here. Now let's go here,
which I think is one of my favorite cases. This
is the RB thirty six case late nineteen fifty six

(39:35):
over South Dakota. Now keep in mind you've got six
turning and four burning, which means you've got six reciprocal
engines which are pushers, and then you've got four outrigger
jet engines. And we're talking about a massive RB thirty
six here. This thing is just huge, according to the
Air Force officer who was the primary eyewitness, Now there

(39:57):
were sixteen crew members aboard this RB thirty seve and
they're flying at twenty four thousand feet over South Dakota.
He said. They were all issued still cameras, and a
one hundred foot diameter dish shaped craft pull up alongside
the RB thirty six and parked itself off the left wing,

(40:17):
one hundred feet off the left wing at close range.
So a number of these crew members went up into
the greenhouse of the RB thirty six, which is the cockpit.
This is the enlargement that I had Rudy do here.
And since they were all issued still cameras, they were
snapping away photographs. They got this thing at close range. Now,

(40:37):
when the RB thirty six landed, they were debriefed and
all of that film was confiscated. So I'm asking the question,
in these UFO Trump tranches that have been dropped from
the Trump administration, why are we getting balloons and birds
and blurs? Why aren't we getting this type of information.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
That's a good question.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
You know, we as taxpayers, this information and these photographs
were procured you tax using taxpayer dollars. We have every
right to demand We're not going to request it. We're
going to demand that this kind of footage be declassified.
So I don't know what Trump needs to do, but

(41:23):
this needs to happen now. We're not going to accept
any more of these ridiculous releases. We're just getting balloons
and birds. We want the hard physical evidence. We want
the gun camera footage. We want up close, unambiguous photographs,
just like you see here. This thing was one hundred
feet off the left wing at close ranch. These photographs

(41:43):
have to be absolutely miraculous looking. This is a daytime
sighting one hundred foot silver metallic dish shaped craft with
a dome on top. I implore President Trump to demand
this from either the Pentagon Wright Patterson Air Force Base.
The CIA has an archive one of these locations where

(42:06):
they keep these files. Here all right, next one, this
is the other UFO incident that involved Gordon Cooper. So
nineteen fifty seven Edwards Air Force Base. Now, they were
filming the installation of precision landing equipment and they had
camera crew there. According to Gordon Cooper, a thirty foot

(42:29):
diameter dish shaped craft hovered over the dry lake bed.
It extended three tripod landing gear legs set on the
dry lake bed for thirty seconds, hovered back up, landing
gear retracted into the bottom of the craft, and then
the craft flew away. So this is my best rendition
of what that looks like now. He also said that

(42:49):
they got it all caught on motion picture film reel.
That's the film was brought back to Edward's Air Force Base.
Gordon Cooper examine the film it was of good quality.
He did not run it through a projector. Now the
next thing that happened now, I got this from my
good friend Tony Tony Corbo. I want to give him credit.

(43:11):
He interviewed Gordon Cooper long time ago. I believe this
is at Reno. So here here is a second hand
individual who interviewed the first hand witness. So we're almost
we're basically just one removed here. He said that it
was the base commander that took that film back to

(43:33):
write Patterson Air Force Base and it could still be
there now. So I am absolutely requesting and demanding, and
everybody else should too, because your tax dollars went into
this and paid for this. We demand that this film
that Gordon Cooper specifically mentioned be declassified immediately, absolutely immediately.

(43:55):
No more playing around the bush here, no more kicking
the can down the road trying to time out the witnesses.
See what they've done. It's obvious, Carl. What they've done
is they have timed out the original five oh ninth
bomb group witnesses, anyone who was a first hand witness
of Roswell, They're all dead.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Is convenient that over the past couple of years. We've
been having these congressional hearings with these quote unquote whistleblowers.
Why didn't you do this when those five oh ninth
Bomb Group members were still alive. They could have been
brought into the halls of Congress and this would have
been live on CNN. This had been live all around
the world, and they could have told their story. But

(44:37):
they waited conveniently for all these five oh ninth Bomb
Group members to pass away. So in their eyes, it's
cover up complete. But we're not going to let them
get away with this. Yeah, not to let them get
away with this.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
I want my print. That's why I want my print.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
I want my print, and I want my motion picture
film reel. Okay, all right, So here's what the craft
looked like when it landed. Now, you know, I'm doing
the best I can with what we've got. It probably
didn't look exactly like this, but probably something close to this,
something like this. But they've got it. Gordon Cooper held
it in his hands. It was of good quality. He's

(45:14):
got it. So here is that article again, and here's
what Gordon Cooper says. He says Cooper saw the film
as soon as it was rushed through the development process. Quote,
it was a typical circular shape UFO. He recollected not
too many people saw it because it took off at
quite a sharp angle and just climbed straight out of sight.

(45:35):
He reviewed the film a dozen times before it was
forwarded to Washington, never to resurface. And so that's where
we come in, right as concern taxpayers, it is our
constitutional obligation to question authority. And so what that means is,

(45:56):
if you extrapolate this to its furthest extent, it means
that the air Force doesn't own anything. They don't own
the aircraft, they don't own the buildings, they don't own
the maintenance facilities, they don't own the runways. They don't
pay the employees. We do. We're the taxpayers. We own

(46:17):
that film. We have every right to question authority because
it's our constitutional obligation. So I'm putting up these representatives, right,
I mean, we have every right to Anna Pauline A
Luna needs to run to ground. I've already done the
work for them, you know, like I shouldn't have to

(46:37):
do their work for them, but I will do it
anyway because I'm committed to this. It's a crusade, and
I will go down with the ship if I have to.
But again, I've already given the dates, given the locations.
They've got more unlimited funding than I do. I'm just
working on a shoe string budget here. They've got million
dollar budgets over there. They should have no problem running

(46:58):
this to ground TIMBERSA needs to get on this immediately.
Eric Berlason needs to get on this immediately. I've given
them the dates, the times, in the location, so they
have no problem following this. Where are our representatives in Washington, DC?
Why aren't they going after this film and other gun
camera films recorded by Air Force pilots during the early

(47:20):
nineteen fifties. That's the question we need to ask.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Absolutely. Let's hold right there. I need to do a break,
and then we'll come back and continue your own with
your presentation.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Okay, sun down on a walking through the sun quets,

(48:09):
crash faded, don't loop back.

Speaker 6 (48:12):
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Speaker 1 (53:09):
My what.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
You're listening to? Midnight Frequency Radio with Carl Richardson Exploring
the Unknown on the night Watch Digital Network. Michael, Welcome
back to Midnight fragrancy radio.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah, we can continue on with the display.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Now, Okay, fine, we'll move on here, all right, So
let's go on to the USSFDR. This is November nineteen
fifty eight, Guantano Bay, Cuba. A couple of things to
talk about before we get into this. Number one, the
USSFDR was the first aircraft carrier to carry nuclear weapons
on board. Number two, it had a history of UFO sightings,

(53:55):
all right, So it was at night when there was
commotion below decks, so you can kind of picture this
aircraft carrier here at night. And then people were screaming
and yelling and rushing and climbing up ladders and there
was chaos and men were swearing and just yelling. It
was a chaotic scene. When they got to the flight

(54:16):
deck here they saw something incredible. And I'll picture this
at night. And this is the original sketch from the
primary eye witness. His name is Chester Grazinsky. He's no
longer with us. This is his original sketch on MUFHON
report and this was filed August eighth, nineteen seventy eight.
At least twenty five naval personnel, including Chester Grazinski, saw

(54:42):
a yellow light approaching the aircraft carrier. As it got closer,
This was really no yellow light. This was a two
hundred foot long cigar shaped craft that had a series
of rectangular windows on one side of the craft itself. Now,
they said that they could feel the heat emanating off this.

(55:02):
Now you can see that on his sketch. Here he's
got these lines coming off. So right away, it's a
close encounter of the first kind according to Jalen Heinech,
because it's a visual sighting. Number two, it's a close
encounter of the second kind because it had physical effects.
They could feel it on their faces. Now, I'm going
to go on to the next slide here and we'll

(55:23):
do a blow up of his sketch. Now what you
can see here in the enlargement on the bottom. He
said that through these windows he could see what looked
like humanoid beings. There were more than one, because he
used the term plural. They were walking back and forth
between these windows, and one of them held up its

(55:44):
hand above its head and was waving to the nable
personnel backdown on the aircraft carrier. I just love this case. Now,
as this thing departed, it kind of turned an orangice
color and departed at an extremely high rate of speed
with no sonic boom. And this is late nineteen fifty
eight Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. So whoever or whatever had this technology,

(56:07):
they were able to exceed the speed of sound without
creating a sonic boom back in nineteen fifty eight. So
of course we had to do a full color illustration.
And here's what we came up with. So I want
to give credit to all my artists that have helped
me on this, and they've done, you know, just a

(56:28):
really good job. This is Tom Bogan's illustration. Want to
give him credit. We'll do a blow up here so
that you can see this being waving back at the
flight crew. Now they've got records for this, it's in
the logbook, but of course all that's been taken away.
So this is another case of good evidence seen by
multiple credible witnesses that they just love to make this

(56:50):
evidence disappear, all right. Next one, Father gillis Siding June
twenty sixth, nineteen fifty nine, Papua New Guinea. Here you
see Father Gill in the foreground. Now there were at
least twenty five other locals that saw this as well,
and what he described is a thirty five foot diameter
dish shaped craft. The bottom of it looked like a

(57:12):
two tiered wedding cake. So the bottom of the craft
was thirty five feet in diameter, the upper section was
twenty feet in diameter. There were four prongs sticking out
of this, which I don't think were landing your legs.
He also said that there were four humanoid looking beings
on the top deck of this craft. They did not

(57:33):
look like aliens. They looked like humans. They were wearing
a one piece type fitting flight suit. Two of them
were near the front edge of the top deck of
the craft itself. The other two were more obscured in
the background and looked like they were repairing some type
of mechanical equipment. I'm going to blow this up here
a little bit so you can kind of This is

(57:54):
my second version that gives you an idea what this
may have looked like. Now. He also had two way
communitmunication with the beings on this He had a lantern
that he moved and the craft responded, and then he
also waved and they waved back. So the second name
of this case is not just the father Gill case,
but they also call it they waved back. That's really

(58:17):
the name of this case. Here here's the blow up
of this craft itself and you can see the looks
like four men on top, with more two of them
were more obscured. Now, off to the right of the craft,
there was a white slash blue being that went up
at a forty five degree angle. They also reported that
as well. Here's the map that shows you where all

(58:40):
this So this is Papua New Guinea. I'm going to
blow this up here. Here's another map that shows you
the location. I'm going to zoom in a little bit
closer so that we can get directly where this actually
took place. And then here's father Gill's original sketch. So
you can see these prongs sticking out. You've got the
forty five degree beam of light. You've got the four beings.

(59:03):
This is International UFO Reporter, November nineteen seventy seven. Another
graphic illustration. You've got all these locals here that saw it,
so it's not just Father Gil, but it's a multiple
witness case. These are six hundred dpi scans of the
exact location where this went down. Here, this is what

(59:24):
the mission looks like it's a rather simple operation here
and nothing super sophisticated. This is another view here. Let
me do one more that gives you kind of sets
the scene up. And then this is the beach where
this thing was hovering over, like plus or minus three
hundred feet, so we're looking at pretty much the exact
location where this took place. Again nineteen fifty nine, William B.

(59:50):
Gill brightly lit shaft of blue light shining upwards from
center about thirty five feet in diameter for the lower deck.
Upper deck was twenty feet, so it looked like a
two tiered wedding cait distance was four hundred and fifty feet,
which is close range. That's close enough to get some
real good detail on it. This is another illustration here,

(01:00:12):
and then I went ahead and did a color of
this just to give everyone idea what that might have
looked like. And now we move on to this case.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
I wonder the patrician the patricians from the bottom of
the craft, could they possibly be gravitational wave guides or
something to that effect.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
I think this is another example of these static electrical
discharge probes. Okay, these prongs and protrusions sticking out of
these UFOs, Like, why deploy landing gear if you're not
going to land you're over the ocean exactly. Yeah, it
just doesn't make sense. So anyway, Maurice Mass July one,

(01:00:52):
nineteen sixty five Vellen saw France and what you're looking
at here is an actual photograph of the man in question. Here,
this is the man of the hour. This is Maurice Mass,
and he's standing in the middle of his lavender field.
He's got all these lavender plants here. The next thing
he noticed is that he heard something behind him. So

(01:01:14):
he turns around when we move on to the next slide,
and he sees something very interesting, a thirteen foot long
what looked like a rugby football with spider landing ear legs.
There were six of them, with a protrusion sticking down.
It had a hatch on the left side, and then
like a crew compartment that swept back to the tail

(01:01:35):
of the aircraft itself. Now, before he saw that, he
also saw two humanoid looking beings, small statud wearing a
one piece type fitting flight suit. They had oversized, had
oversized eyes, and they were collecting lavender plants. So I've
got multiple cases of UFO occupants that seemed to be

(01:01:58):
interested in our agriculture. Like many cases, they're picking grass,
they're picking the lavender, they're picking flowers. Are they interested
in our agriculture? And I thought it's very interesting where
Steven Spielberg in his movie Et, the first five minutes
of that film is devoted to Et trying to save

(01:02:20):
a plant. It's like, what is the interest that they have?
There must be some kind of connection there. This is
another view of the craft itself. Now, Maurice Mass got
real close to these beings. One of them picked up
what looked like a doll rod about two inches in
diameter sixteen inches in length, and he pointed that doll

(01:02:41):
rod toward Maurice Mass and there was an energy being
that came out, struck him, put him in a state
of you could call it stasis, where he couldn't move,
but he could still see the beings. They went into
the side of the craft, the hatch closed, and then
the thing took off. I consider him a reliable witness.

(01:03:03):
And there's a number of reasons why I'm going to
move on to the next one here. This gives you
an idea of what this may have looked like during
the Maurice Mass encounter here and this is all an
Eleavender plant Field of all places, Boston Globe, July eighth,
nineteen sixty five, flying saucer or secret plane. They go
into great detail on this case in this newspaper clipping here.

(01:03:25):
Now we move on to my personal favorite Project blue bookcase. Now,
Project blue Book was the Air Force investigation that started
in nineteen forty seven. It went all the way to
nineteen sixty nine and then they closed it all down.
But there were a number of cases, at least seven
hundred and one cases that were never explained that they

(01:03:46):
just could not explain away. This was not balloons or
birds or sightings of venus. This is something else here now,
of all those cases, personally, I believe this is the
highest level of credibility. It's the most powerful one. And
again this is not my case. This is an official
US Air Force Project blue bookcase. March twenty third, nineteen

(01:04:10):
sixty six, near Temple, Oklahoma. Our witness is a man
named Eddie Lasen. He was a private pilot. He was
a flight instructor. He had eight thousand hours pilot in command.
He was an aircraft recognition expert, and he was an
electrical technician instructor at Shepherd Air Force Base. This is

(01:04:31):
a credible witness. You could not ask for a better guy.
So he's driving at five oh five in the morning
on his commute to Shepherd Air Force Base. The sun
was coming up over the horizon, but it was still
a little bit dark out, and he said that something
was blocking the road. And this craft looked all the
world like an overturned bowling pin sitting ninety degrees crossing

(01:04:56):
perpendicular to the roadway. So he kind of slammed up
on the brakes and he described it as follows number one.
This craft was seventy five feet in length, a minimum
of eight feet tall. On the far right hand side
of the craft, it looked like it had a bubble
transparent canopy taken directly off of B twenty six bomber
for World War II. The whole thing was standing on

(01:05:16):
pogo landing your legs three feet off the asphalt road.
There were two beaming spotlights shining forward, two beaming spotlights
shining vertically downward, and then there was an air stair door.
And then he said there was a man standing next
to this stairway. This was not an alien. This is

(01:05:38):
not an extraterrestrial. This was a human. This was a man.
He was wearing a two piece green military fatigues. He
had a baseball cap with the bill turned up. He
was shining a flashlight at the bottom of the stairs.
Now above the stairs and aft on the top of
the craft itself, there was a stinger or spire that

(01:05:59):
swept back to an eight inch diameter sphere. Just aft
of the airstair door. On the right hand side, there
was a circular porthole window that was three and a
half feet in diameter that was divided into four equal
pie segments. Now just aft of that porthole window were
the letters written in black vertically TL four to seven

(01:06:26):
six eight, and I have a one hundred dollars cash
reward for anyone on this planet that can tell me
and prove to me with documented physical evidence what that means.
I don't know what TL four seven six eight. I've
been trying to track it down for years. There might
be someone out there that does. Now I think what

(01:06:47):
it is, which I don't know for sure. I think
it's an Atomic Energy Commission registration number. It was the
US Navy in conjunction with the AECOM Energy Commission, because
these you know, some of these things are nuclear and
a lot of the programs that were procured with the

(01:07:07):
atomic bomb, they already had classifications stamped on that. So
they leapfrogged those engineers into a lot of these programs
in conjunction with Lawrence Livermore Laboratories, Los Alamos, AEC in
the United States Navy. That's who I think is driving
the cover up and the research organization. So if anyone

(01:07:29):
knows what that actually means, let me know. And you
get a hundred bucks. I know it's not much, but
we're operating on a shoestring budget here. Now, at the
very end of this craft there were control surfaces that
were way too small to be aerodynamically efficient. Now, Eddie
Laxon was walking back to the trunk of the vehicle.

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He had a camera. He was going to snap a
shot of this thing. As he did that, the man,
I remember we're talking about a man here, he was
not an ailing. He scurried up these airstair doors. And
then the report says there was a high pitched drilling
noise like something was spooling up like a Whimshurst generator

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or something. The whole craft levitates off the pavement, the
landing gear legs retract into the bottom of the craft.
It sits there for like thirty seconds and then departs
like a spark on a grinding wheel and makes no
sonic boom. So bottom line is that we had the
technology in nineteen sixty six. Two looks like go exo

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atmospheric and don't create a sonic foot footprint sonic boom footprint.
So we had the technology to do away with liquid
and solid rockets by at least nineteen sixty six. Okay,
Now this is Eddie Leason's original drawing, and you can
see he's got dimensions here seventy five feet, it's eight
feet tall. He's got the bright lights, he's got the

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X marks the spot where the man was, we've got
the airstair door, and we've got the TL four seven
six eight. Now, if you look at this drawing by
Eddie Lason, and you look at the dimensions here given,
if this thing is seventy five feet in length and
it's eight feet tall, then the entire left end of

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the craft needs to be stretched out way to the left.
This thing is out of scale. I'm cutting him a
brake because he was dealing with an eight and a
half by eleven sheet of paper. It wasn't to scale
because he was scrunched and was conformed and confined to
just an eighth size sheet of paper. I understand what
he did. So I spent a day looking over the case,

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reading the report, looking at his testimony, and really studying it,
and came up with this drawing, which is a much
more accurate representation of what he actually saw. Now, a
couple things I want to talk about. Eddie Lason said
that he could feel the hair on his arm standing up,
so within this localized area he was permeated in a

(01:10:08):
static electrical field. Number Two, there was what looked like
naval Admiral Chevron's on this guy's shoulders here, which is
screaming the man made technology. Number Three, he said that
if he was in Oklahoma City that afternoon and this

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guy was there, he would recognize him. That's how close
he was to this guy whoever was shining that flashlight.
He was that close to him. I'm going to move
on to the next slide here. Now let's go back
to this stinger or spire we were talked about this earlier.
Every single feature on these UFOs there's a reason for it.

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It's not pap hazard. There is a form, fit and
function to everything on these vehicles. So I started looking
at this, and I'm thinking, what in God's name is
a prong with a ball sticking out of these UFOs
and it keeps on popping up over and over and
over again. Do aliens really need this where they stamp

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markings on the side of their craft with American letters?
What's going on here? So I started looking at high
voltage electrical equipment. And if you look at a Wimshurst
generator on this picture to the right here, you've got
these prongs sticking out of the Wimshurst generator and at
the end of the prong there's a ball. There's a sphere,

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and these are static electrical discharge spheres. So I am proposing,
which I think it's more than a proposal. I think
it's a legitimate theory that what we're looking at on
a lot of these UFOs are these static electrical discharge spheres.
Because the witnesses say that there was a static electrical
charge and their hair stood up on their arms, it's

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all checking the boxes. It's completely checking the boxes. Here.
Now here is the original map drawn by Eddie Lason.
So you've got Highway sixty five and Highway seventy. This
is not too far from Oklahoma City. And you can
see that his map indicates that it's approximately one half

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mile west of that intersection. This is his original sketch here.
So of course I went on to the computer, and
if you go one half mile west from the intersection
of Highway sixty five and seventy, I'm going to move
on to the next slide. What you're going to see
is this right here. So if we could be here

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on the night of March twenty third, nineteen sixty six,
and we were standing right here, and I believe we
are plus or minus ten feet where this actually took place,
we would be looking directly at that side of the
craft with the TL four seven six eight written on
the side of it. We'd be right here, Carl, this
is where we'd be, So you could be here. I

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wish we could go back in time and get some
flash photos of it where we could see this man.
And I am certain that elements within the military industrial
complex they know all about this. They know algy, they
know about the technology trail, they know about the defense contractors,

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they know about the national laboratories that built the propulsion system,
they know about the flight crew. And I don't even
think this was the pilot. I think this is a
maintenance personnel. The pilot was still in the crew compartment.
I think this is not even the pilot of the craft. Right,
let's move on here. So this is the official Project

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blue Book index card. I'm not going to read the
whole thing, but just the first two sentences here. This
is official Project blue Book. It says observer spotted object
parked on highway in front of his car. Observer stopped
car and got out to investigate. But as he got
close to the object, a man, not an alien, It says,

(01:14:04):
a man apparently entered the object, and immediately the object
began to rise from the ground. All right, let's move
on here. This is Lawton Morning Press, March twenty fourth,
nineteen sixty six, says templeman meets UFO on highway. Wichita
Falls Times, March twenty third, nineteen sixty six. Strange flying

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objects sighted. Okay, move on to the next one. Here,
a couple of bullet items. William Eddie Laxon was a
pilot since nineteen forty one. He had eight thousand hours
of flight time. He taught a course in Aircraft recognition
number two. Object rose from the ground with the sound
of a high speed electric drill, hissing geese, or of

(01:14:46):
a welding torch. Other witnesses describe it as bacon frying
on a platter. Okay, I just love these descriptions here.
So you've got this high pitched drilling noise just before
this UF takes off. The craft caused the hair on
his arms and head to stand up. Yet we talked
about the static electrical field. The man standing next to

(01:15:09):
the craft was wearing Gi fatigues and had chevrons on
his uniforms. So now we're talking about military rank the
ranking guy, right, Yeah, yep, okay. Laxon stated that he
would quote recognize the man if he saw him in
Oklahoma City tomorrow. So let's see, how how close do

(01:15:32):
you have to beat to someone to recognize them if
you're standing away. Well, I don't know what that number is.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
He was pretty close, pretty close.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
Right to recognize what he looked like the next day, Yeah,
all right, So I think we got a world exclusive
here thanks to Monty Earwood. Want to give him credit.
And he went all the way to the Philippines, sent
the blueprints out and they made they made this model
for me and he helped make this here, so I

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want to give credit. Now it has lights on the inside,
and I'm not saying this is perfect, but this gives
people an idea of what Eddie lex and encountered back
in nineteen sixty six. So we've got the spire, We've
got the porthole window. I put the TL four seven
six eight on the side of the craft. We've got
the air stair door. The lights on the bottom go
on to the next side. Here, this is almost a

(01:16:23):
direct side view from a fifteen degree overhead looking down.
We've got the landing gear legs. We'll do one more here.
We've got the control surfaces on the f side of
the craft. And then this is what that porthole window
look like. Here, this is what the stairs looks like. So,
I mean, it would be so cool to see this
guy running up these stairs. I would love it. I

(01:16:45):
would love it again. I got one hundred dollars cash reward.
Anyone who knows what this means and can prove it
with documented paperwork. Boom, we got you covered. These are
the control surfaces, which I don't think have anything to
do with aerodynamics whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Yeah, they're pretty small.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
They're small. The Houston Post, April tenth, nineteen sixty six. Laxon,
who was familiar with aircraft, said he had no thoughts
about the craft being from outer space or even from
another country. Quote, it's an American piece of machinery, he said.
It's nothing foreign. This is coming from a credible witness.

(01:17:24):
Something considered here all right, The Daily Oklahoma, March first,
nineteen seventy one. And on the upper right you see
Eddie Lackson. That is the man of the hour. Here
the bottom is another sketcher. But it says citing now rude, okay.
In other words, Eddie Lackson, when he talked about this,

(01:17:45):
he was ridiculed, he was condescended to, he was made
fun of, he was laughed at, and he regretted ever
even coming forward. And what that does It actually adds
credibility to the case. It does not detract credibility. It
actually adds more credibility to the craft. Here to the case,

(01:18:07):
and here was another newspaper clipping here that says what
I saw was definitely not from space. The man was
wearing fatigues and had a cap with the bill broken
up like air Force mechanics were lex and said it
had common English letters on it. So, according to Eddie Lackson,
who is a very reliable witness, this was no alien spacecraft.

(01:18:28):
This was one of ours. We had this technology in
nineteen sixty six. So I put this up here. We
should all consider very carefully the tremendous implications about what
that statement really means. What I'm referring to is what
Eddie Leason's assessment was right, Because if that's true, if

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what Eddie Laxon saw is actually true, then what was
all this for. If we already had the technology to
travel into space without using liquid rockets or solid rockets
as early as March of nineteen sixty six, then what
was the Saturn five rocket for? What was the Apollo

(01:19:10):
program for? If we already had this technology. So you've
got Neil Armstrong, you've got buzz Aldron, you've got Michael
Collins blasting off, and then Neil Armstrong and buzz Aldron
land on July twentieth nineteen sixty nine in this huge rocket.
It took them to get there. I'm going to go
on to the next slide here, and you can see

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one of the Saturn F one engurines, and you've got
all these turbo pumps, and you've got these valves, and
you can see how complex this thing is. Any one
of these systems fail and you run the risk of
losing the rocket and the crew itself. All right, total
combined throw a seven point five million pounds. Is all

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of this really necessary? I mean, Eddie Lexin didn't have
all this in the craft that he saw. It was
a very simple look vehicle. There were no exhaust ports,
there were no rocket nozzles, no turbopumps, no liquid rockets.
What it's saying here, what the evidence is showing, is

(01:20:12):
that we have a concurrent secret space program going on.
Number one, we've got NASA was such a public relations
space program. Number two, we have a much more privatized
defense contractor deep black program using super secret classified aircraft
utilizing electrogravitics and magnetohydrodynamic propulsion systems that go way beyond

(01:20:35):
liquid rockets and solid rocket boosters. That's what the evidence
is showing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Us here. But it's more of a psyop just it's.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
A public relation smoke stream.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:46):
They want people to think that this is the best
we've got. This is the best we've got. Now, Carl,
I have a question for you. Do you remember where
you were January twenty eighth, nineteen eighty six?

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
No, I don't you refresh my memory?

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
I might, I'm sure you do. And you can see
the slide.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Here right, Oh yeah, Challenger, Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
Okay, Challenger. Yeah. So on January twenty eighth, nineteen eighty six,
we lost the seven Challenger astronauts, right, I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Actually skipped school to stay home that day.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
In was okay?

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
So did you watch it live?

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
You did?

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
So you saw all this then?

Speaker 5 (01:21:28):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
I did?

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
Okay, Well, I was in high school. I didn't see
it live, but I remember it very well. And my
question is would any of these astronauts climb into that
dinosaur technology rocket if they knew about Eddie Lackson's technology

(01:21:50):
and what he saw they didn't have any liquid rockets
or saw, they would never have climbed into it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
No, they would just drive me climbing into a huge
Roman candle.

Speaker 4 (01:21:59):
That's what that's right, that's right now. I think you
know about teacher Christa mccauliff. They weeded out eleven thousand candidates,
and you know what, in this case, NASA got it right.
They picked the perfect person. Christa mccauliffe was the highest,
the best person they could ever pick for being a

(01:22:20):
teacher in space. She would never have climbed in that thing.
If she knew that there was technology lurking in the
black world that had no risk of blowing up like
a liquid rocket or solid they would never have got
we would we'd still be having her today. It's just
such a travesty that this actually happened. And there's another

(01:22:41):
thing to this which I don't think is connected to Challenger,
but in a way it is. But we'll go into
that here. That brings us to McClellan Air Force Space
nineteen seventy three. And this comes from Chris Coffee via
test pilot astronaut Ellison Unizuka source UFO Crash Retrieval's page
one F three, Case three. So I got to bring

(01:23:02):
in at least one Leonard Stringfield crash re trible case
here And this is a photograph of test pilot Ellison Unizuka,
who will become very important here now. According to Chris Koffee,
Ellison Unizuka told Chris Coffee that he was at McClellan

(01:23:23):
Air Force Base back in nineteen seventy three where a
number of pilots were called into a briefing room. There
was an Air Force general there. They had a sixteen
millimeter film projector there and the lights went down. This
is This is according to Ellison Unizuka, lights went down,
the general turns out on this movie projector and then
projected on the far wall are at least two medical

(01:23:47):
doctors dressed up in medical regalia here, and they were
examining two deceased et corpses on concrete slabs, and he
remembered thinking to himself, Oh my god, I can't believe
it now. A couple minutes later, the lights went back on,
film projector shut off and there was no debrief. So

(01:24:08):
this is another one of these cases where it appears
that the United States government, the US Air Force, was
using these pilots as a trial balloon to see what
their reaction would be. Could they handle this new reality
or would they crumble? Would their religious convictions and beliefs
be challenged? Could they handle this new reality. And the

(01:24:30):
thinking is, if our best test pilots couldn't handle it,
how much more so could the general public not handle this? Now,
now that it's been so many years later, and this
slow drip acclamation process has been going on for literally
eighty years now, through TV, magazines, movies, newspaper, an endless

(01:24:52):
amount of pumping UFO and aliens into the culture, into
the psyche of the American public. Are we ready or
is there a terrible truth behind this? I'm not sure
there's a terrible truth. I think we could be looking
at a scenario where they're creating a threat narrative where
there is no threat narrative. Let's move on here. So

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here's the illustration I put together that gives you an
idea what this may have looked like. You've got the
projector here we've got the body. So here's another one
of these film clips that need to be released by
the Trump administration. But you know we're not going to
get it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
Of course, we're just going to.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Yep, we're just going to keep on getting this nothing
burger tranches that go by, and you know they're going
to weigh this out when when Trump leaves office, it's
going to stop immediately. It's probably going to stop a
long time prior to that. But this is our last
hope to get this information declassified. We need to raise

(01:25:49):
awareness that these type gun camera footage, motion picture film footage,
and eight by ten black and white glossy photographs actually exist.
So bottom line here is that Ellison Uniezuka was going
to have a basically a one on one interview with
Leonard Stringfield. They had it all planned out and he

(01:26:11):
was going to tell Leonard Springfield all about this movie clip.
Two weeks before that scheduled meeting was to take place,
he died in the Challenger accident. So we were this
close of getting his actual testimony, but it was already
too late. And I consider Ellison Uniezuka an absolute reliable witness.

(01:26:34):
Why would he say that as a joke, No way,
not a chance. This is a reliable witness here, and
we lost everybody in the Challenger accident. Okay, late August
nineteen seventy, Calbury, Canada, Calgary, Canada. This is a chiropractor
on a horse ride and they were just kind of
riding off here into the countryside, and he said that

(01:26:57):
there was a medium sized cloud that was following them.
Emerging from this cloud is a forty foot diameter dish
shaped craft that had a blue coronal discharge wrapped around
the outer circumference, which you see in my illustration here.
Now on the bottom of it there were two counter
rotating what looked like heating registers or grates, and on

(01:27:19):
the bottom of it it almost looked like Father Gills UFO.
It had four prongs sticking out of it. So here's
case number three of these prongs and I don't think
they're landing your legs. I'm gonna move on to the
next slight. Here's the original drawing that went with the case.
You can see these counter rotating vents, and then on
the bottom view you've got these antenna or prong sticking

(01:27:40):
out here. Great case, really great crase. Now moving on
to this one. This case is known as the Army
Helicopter Incident, Mansfield, Ohio, October eighteenth, nineteen seventy three. And
I want to preface this by saying that this case
is so ironclad, so solid, so credible that even Philip

(01:28:04):
Klass could not hit this. He could not latch onto this.
This was just too much for him. Even he couldn't
debunk this. So to set this up, You've got four
crew members in a LUH one huey and they're near Mansfield,
Ohio at night. It was the crewmember in the back

(01:28:25):
that saw the craft approaching the helicopter at a closure
rate of six hundred miles an hour, so he alerted
the pilot. Pilot pulled back the throttle, put the helicopter
in a dive. They were at seventeen hundred feet altitude
and they saw a cigar shaped craft that was fifty
feet in the length that had a white light on
the right hand side. It had a red light on

(01:28:46):
the left hand side. There was a small dome on top.
As they are in a full descent, a green beam
of light came from the bottom of the UFO hit
the helicopter and started raising it. And they're diving down
to avoid this thing. It starts raising the helicopter like
an elevator. Once they get to threey eight hundred feet,
there's a thump. There's a physical thump that they could feel,

(01:29:10):
and then the green light dissipated from the bottom of
the craft and then they flew on from that point forward.
And what I want to point out here and this
is another article here by Fate magazine. They talk about
Major Coin and the UFO. The true story. This is
the Daily Call October twenty second, nineteen seventy three. Closure

(01:29:32):
rate was six hundred miles an hour. So someone had
the technology with no visible means or propulsion, no engine,
no ailerons, no flaps, no wings. This is back in
nineteen seventy three. This is years after Eddie Laxon, so
they already perfected the technology or someone did it went
all the way to the United Nations and I Philip

(01:29:55):
Klass could not debunk it. So you've got Eric Gary
Off to the left, j Jacques Valet, and then Colonel Coyne,
who was the pilot of the helicopter. He went to
the UN and they just could not debunk this case.
September tenth, nineteen seventy six. Caluza, California, primary eye witness,
was watching television in his home at eleven thirty pm

(01:30:18):
at night when all of a sudden, the air conditioning
went out and the television went out, and he was
still in his boxer brief. So he got off the couch,
went to the back where the circuit breaker was and
the next thing that he knew of, and this is
going to be very familiar now because we're already three
and four into this, we've got pattern recognition. He felt

(01:30:39):
the hair on his arms, the hair on his head,
and the hair on his chest. Not only was it
sticking up, but it was crackling. The entire area was
permeated in the static electrical field. He looks up and
he sees a one hundred and forty foot diameter dish
shaped craft. It had a dome on top, but it

(01:31:01):
wasn't just a standard dome. This dome had ridges on
it like an old lemon squeezer, like an orange juice squeezer.
On the bottom of it, it had conduit pipes that
terminated in frayed edges, okay, frayed endings. It also had
these prongs or protrusions sticking out of the bottom of it.

(01:31:22):
And then he said that there was another craft that
was half the size of the one that he was under,
and it was pulling power off the five hundred thousand
volte power lines, causing them to become cherry red. So
this is a CE one case, and it's a CE
two case because it had physical effects all right, let's
move on here now. He goes inside. He wakes up

(01:31:44):
his wife and two kids. They go to the back
of the room there, open up the blinds. They look
out the window and they see the large craft flanked
on either side of the two smaller craft and they're
pulling power off five hundred thousand volte power lines. And
then the craft in the middle goes from a dead
standstill to hovering over the low rise mountains in the

(01:32:06):
background in one second. It traversed twenty five miles in
one second. Wow, and did the same maneuver in the
exact same timeframe, so it had traversed fifty miles in
two seconds and made no sonic boom. And this is
just like incredible technology. At this point, the primary witness

(01:32:29):
is scared for his life and his family. He doesn't
know what he's dealing with, so he piles everyone to
the pickup truck. The kids are still in their pajamas.
The wife is over on the passenger side, and they
go screaming down the road at ninety miles an hour,
and the large craft starts following them. This is a
true story. Goes over the cab of the truck over

(01:32:50):
to the wife then goes back over to where he is.
They get over to the neighbor's house, slam on the brakes,
pile out of the truck. They start knocking on the
neighbor's door. The neighbors walk out, and now there's six
witnesses that saw the large craft depart at a forty
five degree angle. Incredible witnesses. They saw the craft depart,

(01:33:12):
They got a good look at it. Now here's the
newspaper clipping, San Antonio Express, February sixth, nineteen seventy seven.
You can see Bill Petcha over to the right. Family
tells of terror as a UFO chased a car at
ninety miles an hour, and you can see the drawing

(01:33:32):
that they've got there. I'm gonna move on to the
next slide. Now we want to look at this and
examine this. What are these ramen noodles doing on the
bottom of a UFO?

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Right? More static discharge units.

Speaker 4 (01:33:45):
Yeah, it's like there's a reason for everything on here.
You've got don't we have a dome, but it's a
ridge dome. Okay. We've got prong sticking out that look
like a dinner fork almost that's bent. And then we've
got these what I'm calling ramen noodles hanging out from
the bottom of the UFO that look like conduit pipes

(01:34:07):
with frayed edges, And I kept thinking, what in the
world do aliens that are one hundred million light years
ahead of us in technology? What are they doing roaming
around our atmosphere within our ground like one hundred feet
off the ground. What are they doing flying around with

(01:34:27):
these ramen noodles hanging out of the bottom. This just
doesn't make any sense at all. So I gave this
lecture at IUFOCS seven years ago and this guy comes
up to me here and I did a blow up
of these things, and he says, Mike, I know what
those are because I raised this to the audience. I'm like,

(01:34:48):
does anyone know what this is? He goes, yes, he
goes they're static wicks, and they're used to dissipate static
electrical charges. They're seen on the trailing edge of airliners
and it can depletely makes sense. So I did some
digging here and you can see this is what what
these static wicks look like. And then here is the
part number from solid signal part number one one or zero,

(01:35:12):
one hundred and ninety two dollars each. This is what
get there, and nick the form fit and function. I'm here.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Okay, you dropped out for Yeah, you dropped out for
just a second.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
But it's you can hear me now, right, yes, sir? Okay, good, okay.
So what we're dealing with here is a is a
man made technology using high voltage electrical fields, and it's
posing as an alien spacecraft to hide their own deep
black programs. That is what I believe is going on here. Now,

(01:35:48):
there is a core of reality to this phenomenon because
these UFO have been reported in ancient Roman times and
we've got reports from Wahaco, Mexico in eighteen sixty four.
So I am absolutely not saying that everything that we
see in our skies is man made. That's just not consistent.
But when it comes to these types of cases where

(01:36:11):
you've got CE two cases with static electrical charges, you've
got the car engines going out, you've got static on
the radio, you have witnesses that describe the hair standing
up on their head. I'm calling it like I see it.
It's a man made technology. So that tracks with a

(01:36:31):
privatized defense contractor space program here. I think we got
time for a couple more. December nineteen seventy six, Dana Point, California.
The wife was driving down the road with her two
kids and she said that she saw a large, quote
unquote her words, fat frisbee go right through the windshield,
right across the windshield, and it had thousands of multi

(01:36:55):
colored computer processing lights and a red light on top
that was blinking. This is the best illustration that I
can put together here. I'm going to move on here.
Here is the data Point, California, nineteen seventy six. This
is the newspaper clipping and you can see their illustration.
This is what it looked out right outside the windshield
of this thing. Again, it was a fat frisbee, literally

(01:37:17):
hundreds of multicolored computer processing lights. Here is my very
early autocat drawing that gives you an idea of what
this may have looked like. Here, and one thing I
want to point out. This is the exact make and
model of car that they were driving. That she was driving.
And she said that once this thing passed by, it

(01:37:40):
tipped up ninety degrees and rolled away like a wagon wheel,
which I thought was very interesting. So here's what the
craft looked like as it departed like a wagon wheel.
So there's something to this concept of tipping up at
ninety degrees and then rolling away. There's something going on here,
all right. Next T one Cash Landrum incident, which we

(01:38:02):
talked about in the beginning. Here this is number two.
You can call it number two or number three. It
could be either one, but let's call it number three.
This is the Cash Landrum incident, December twenty ninth, nineteen eighty. William.
We've got Betty Cash, Vicky Landrum, Colby Landrum, and this
is December twenty ninth, nineteen eighty. They're driving down Time

(01:38:25):
Farm Road at night, right around nine thirty pm. And
it was Colby in the back that saw this first,
and he saw this white light approaching the area. It
lit up the entire area. Betty Cash slammed on the
brakes and Vicky Landrum flew forward and put her hands

(01:38:45):
on the dashboard and her hands were melted and embedded.
Her fingers were embedded into the dashboard and left a
visible mark there. So that that's the first piece of evidence.
I'm going to move on to the next line. So
here you've got the primary eyewitness, Vicky Landrum is no
longer with us. Betty Cash is no longer with us.

(01:39:08):
Colby Landrum is the sole surviving witness. This is all
we've got left. Now we need to get him. We
need to talk to him immediately before it's too late. Now,
Betty Cash gets out of the vehicle. This is December
twenty ninth and nineteen eighty Huffman, Texas. She goes to
the front of the vehicle and is looking at this thing.
This is about a ninety foot tall double ice cream

(01:39:31):
cone with a series of porthole windows wrapped around the
outer circumference. And every time this craft would bob down
toward the asphalt road, there was a loud roar, There
was a blue colored flame, and there was a beeping
noise which I believe was a proximity indicator. As Betty
Cash is walking back to the car, getting ready to

(01:39:52):
go back inside, she reaches down to the handle of
the door and she burns her hand. She had to
use the leather flat of her coat to open up
the door and go inside. Now, when she got inside,
it was literally boiling hot. They had to turn the
air conditioned around. Move on, here, here's another rendition of
what this looked like. Now, once this took place, and

(01:40:16):
I'm just kind of like doing the timing here. All
three witnesses reported no less than twenty three double rotor
Chinut CH forty seven helicopters chasing after this. There were
multiple other witnesses beside the primary three that also saw
the helicopters, so it's not just these three. There were

(01:40:38):
others that saw the helicopters as well. Now, this is
a perspective that I did of Betty Cash from behind
her looking at the craft. You've got the CH forty sevens,
and then I want to do one which I don't
think has been seen before. This is from the perspective
of the CH forty seven helicopter looking down on the scene.

(01:40:58):
And we've got twenty three three CH forty seven's all
having three crew members minimum. We've got two bill uh
one helicopters, and then we've got one Sikorski Skycream, which
is that big helicopter when you add all the numbers up,
and I'm going to move on to the next slide.
Here here is the map. This is a top view

(01:41:21):
looking down on the upper part of this map. It
shows you the road where Betty Cash slammed on her
brakes one hundred and fifty feet away. X marks the
spot that's where the craft was hovering, and it made
a burdmark on the asphalt. Here this is what it
looks like here. This is FM fourteen eighty five west
of Dayton, Texas, shortly before eight forty five pm. Okay,

(01:41:45):
now this is the breakdown of the helicopters. You've got
the twenty three Chinooks crew of three, two UH one
Bells crew of two, Sikorski Skycream crew of three. If
you add all these numbers up, we're approaching where approaching
one hundred witnesses. You know, we might have some support
people and there might be more crew members on each helicopter.

(01:42:07):
We don't know exactly, but conservatively we'll just say seventy
five or seventy six witnesses. Carl, where are these helicopter
crew members and pilots? Where are they? Have they been
sworn to secrecy? And my other question is was photographic
motion picture of film of this event? Was it taken?

(01:42:31):
Do they have it? And will they ever come forward
or are they completely written off? And they had to
sign non disclosure agreements never to talk about that this
that might be the case. Here everything about this case
was written by John Schussler, who is the primary researcher.
Credit goes from John for digging out all the details here.

(01:42:53):
Florida Today, December fourth, nineteen eighty three, great newspaper Clipping
talked about a lot of the details of this case.
And here you see the primary eyewitnesses on the bottom.
Here they don't say UFO, but the agony lingers The Times,
December twenty fifth, nineteen eighty three. So you've got Betty Cash,

(01:43:13):
Vicky Landrum, Kolby Langrum here. Now this is the section
of road where they saw the craft itself. It's got
this lonely, foreboding appearance to it, and you can imagine
what that might have been looking like here. Now, let's
go over what happened as they were driving home after
this event happened, and we're talking literally immediately after this happened.

(01:43:38):
All three witnesses suffered from the severe effects of radiation poisoning.
I don't want to go over all the details here,
but I'm only going to read what happened to Betty here.
So she said that she had swollen eyes, vision, impaired stomach, pains, vomiting, diarrhea, anarexia,
loss of energy, scarring, and hair loss. She took the

(01:44:02):
brunt of it because she was outside the vehicle and
tored the hood of the car itself and was taking
most of the doses of radiation here. Now I pose
this question to you, Carl, Why would the United States
Air Force want to buy Betty's car? I find that

(01:44:23):
very interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:44:26):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
It's possible radioactive evidence to the.

Speaker 4 (01:44:30):
Evidence, right, So, if there's nothing to UFOs, and if
it's just a misidentification of the of the planet Venus,
according to the Air Force, that's what they're telling us,
they shut it all down in sixty nine. If there's
nothing to UFOs, why did the Air Force try to
buy Betty's car? It's very interesting, very curious, Okay. Now,

(01:44:52):
immediately after the event, the US Army Corps of Engineers
dug up the scorch mark left by the craft on
the paved to conceal any physical evidence. Two weeks later,
they dug up the pavement a second time and paved
it a second time. And this is all over a
weather balloon, a flock of geese, a misidentification of Venus.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
You know, we're talking about physical effects here, radiation, concealing
of evidence, lies, disinformation, giggle factor, humiliation, threats going on.
This is the policy from the government from the get go.
For eighty years, they've been using these tactics on these

(01:45:39):
witnesses and it has to stop. It's time for these
cases to come forward. And the US military industrial complex,
including the major defense contractors and the intelligence communities and
institutions on the East Coast are involved in this. Up
to their net they're involved in this. Lawrence Livermore Labs,

(01:46:04):
Los Alamos is up to this AEC no longer exists,
but that entity in whatever is the code word for it,
now they're involved in this. It wasn't the Air Force directly,
but it was the US Navy and these other organizations too.
Now it says here this is the Sun January twenty second,

(01:46:26):
nineteen eighty four. US sued for twenty million UFO damage. However,
the judge throughout the case because Betty Cash could not
prove that there were military helicopters associated with the event,
so she never even got her day in court. What
are your thoughts on that, Carl.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
It's really sad that, yeah, did anyone ever go out
to that area and check for above normal radioactive presence.

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
Still some people have tried to do that, and I
think there were a couple of horse samples, but I
also think that they moved the road. I don't think
it's exactly where it was back then. I can't confirm that.
I haven't put boots on the ground at that exact location,
but you would think that you could still get something
residual there after all this time. And you know there

(01:47:18):
were other witnesses that saw the helicopters. So but you know,
this is so long ago now it's lost to history.
People even in ufology, people don't even know it's just
and this is top three and of all cases, it's
top three, and it's completely forgotten about. And most of
the witnesses are gone. Probably a lot of the helicopter

(01:47:40):
pilots are gone. Who knows, but they've never come forward,
and they know they know what was going on. They
were chasing after this thing, and the sky crane would
have been for if the craft malfunctioned and crashed, they
would use the sky crane with a lanyard to get
that thing out of there. That's exactly what it would
have happened, would have been a hush hush operation, highly classified,

(01:48:04):
and the government knows what's going on, at least some
of the contractors do. But bottom line here is that
all three witnesses, they never got their day in court.
But we don't want to let that memory pass away. Here,
I think we got one more. February third, nineteen eighty three, Mobile, Alabama,

(01:48:24):
primary eye witness was driving down the road at night
and she felt a booming noise that shook her vehicle,
and she thought that the transmission kind of came out
of the vehicle, so she stopped her car. She pulled
off to the side of the road. She looked under
the vehicle. Everything seemed fine there. So she went another
half mile down the road and off to the right

(01:48:46):
there was a clearing, and she said that there was
a very long, two hundred and ten foot long craft
that was eighty feet high. It had this cheered taper
effect as it went toward the after the craft, and
she said, on the top of the craft there was
a transparent window. Behind that window in a antiseptically sterile environment,

(01:49:08):
she said that there were these humanoid looking beings five
foot ten hairless that were wearing a one piece tight
fitting flight suit, and they were about five feet ten
below that there was another transparent window. Now, this whole
craft on the outside was fastened by what looked like
rusty bridge rivets, basically fastening steel plates. This is what

(01:49:31):
she talked about here. And then she said on the
exterior there were porthole windows. And when she looked through
these porthole windows, because she was standing directly below this thing,
she could look through the porthole window, through the craft
itself and outside the other side. And she said it
reminded her of the crossbeam and girder construction that you
would see like on a truss bridge or at an

(01:49:53):
East coast shipping yard with bulkheads and stringers. It was
very mechanical looking one of ours. Yeah, it sounds like
one of ours. Now. On the front end of the
very nose section we're going to call it of this
craft that was more spherical, there were prongs sticking out.

(01:50:14):
So now this is like the fifth time we've heard
about this, now, these prongs sticking out. She also said
that there was a door closing from right to left,
and on the left hand wall. On the inside there
was what looked like tubes, pipes, and cylinders. That tracks
with Belgium Triangle, and that tracks with Hudson Valley boomerang.
It even tracks with the Southern Illinois Triangle January first, fifth,

(01:50:35):
two thousand. On the bottom of the craft there was
a minimum of one gondola which had transparent you could
call it a plexiglass window with the same five foot
tall humanoid looking beings. And then on the bottom of
the craft there were hundreds of twenty four inch by
twenty four inch highly polished mirror reflective devices that looked

(01:50:56):
like mirrors in the form of a cross. I'm going
to move on to the next I got this information
from the April bulletin volume thirty two, number two, nineteen
eighty four, So if anyone wants to get further details,
this is where I got the information. So this is
the sketch that we had to work from to procure

(01:51:18):
that full color illustration. So I worked with my good
friend Joel Christopher Payne, and we came up with a
more accurate rendition of this. She was driving a station wagon,
it was at night. She got a real good look
at this thing. And I want to go into some
details that were not revealed in the original apro article.
Here this is a blow up that shows you what

(01:51:40):
these humanoid looking beings look like. Now, one thing that
wasn't talked about in the original article. She said that
there was a bar that ran the length of the
whole front of this thing. Within this bar, there were cages,
and embedded within the cages, it had this mechanical structure.

(01:52:03):
There were pipes and tubes and cylinders and they were
embedded into separate cages that made up this long length
bar on the front of this thing. And then there
were these prongs sticking out of the front that we
talked about before. Let's move on to the next one here. Now,
in twenty twenty two, I received a mysterious message. And

(01:52:25):
this is kind of a world exclusive. So I got
this message on my phone. I had no clue what
this was. And I look it down and it's this
woman named Pat and she says, Mike, I've been trying
to reach you for ten years. I'm your witness. She
was still alive. She tracked me down. She was the original.
I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. And so

(01:52:45):
she said, Mike, I got something for you I want
to give you. She gave me her original sketches of
what the craft looks like and what you're seeing. Here
are her original sketches. So we'll look at the front
on the left hand side. You can see this bulbous
second on the aft right hand side. It had the
C one thirty cargo door that wasn't talked about really

(01:53:07):
in the article. Let's move on here. Here's a front view.
You've got the lights, You've got the big cage or
bar in the front of this thing. You've got the protrusions.
You've got the door closing from right to left. I'm
going to read the callouts here, she says sliding door.
She did see what looked like a road or driveway
on the bottom of this thing, so like cargo or

(01:53:30):
jeeps or tanks or something could roll into this thing
from the C one thirty afteror that's the impression that
we're getting here. She talks about seven to eight floors,
no sound. She specs out all the lights here, good drawing. Actually,
here's another version here. These are all her original sketches.

(01:53:53):
So then she also spressed that the whole thing looked
like it was dipped in the ocean and then back
up and it had streams of rust coming down from it.
So you're right, Carl, it's screaming a man made technology. Here.
The entire craft was held together with what looked like
bridge rivets and rusty battleship like steel plates. Yeah, it's

(01:54:17):
exactly what we're talking about here now, Yeah, Rural Exclusive.
After spending two weeks speaking to the primary witness and
working with my friend and artist Rudy Gardea, we corrected
all of the original errors in the original illustration and
created a historically correct, refined drawing which I want to

(01:54:37):
show you right now. And this is what it looked like.
This is as close as we're going to get to it.
This is what it actually looks like. So it's a
little bit more refined. We've got the rivet plates here,
we've got the steel rivets, we've got the bar, we've
got the C one thirty door in the back. Obviously
this is a cargo transport or something like that, because

(01:54:59):
it's huge, huge. And then when we first did the bar,
she said, no, no, no, no, you got it all wrong.
That bar should be a lot longer. So we had
to fix all the errors. We optimized that I took
that to the next level and created this illustration. This
gives you an idea of what it might have looked
like from her perspective. And you see the bar, You've

(01:55:19):
got the steel cages, we've got the tubes, pipes, and
the cylinders. So bottom line is in this presentation, what
I really wanted to do is I wanted to give
everyone a brief overview of some of these historical cases
that have been forgotten. They're lost, they're forgotten, they're left
for dead. They've been stranded in binders, and they've been

(01:55:41):
stranded in Manila folders and file cabinets for decades, have
not seen the light of day. I wanted to dig
these cases out, make these cases come alive, and preserve
a very important part of our national history. That's really
my crusade, Carl, That's what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
Well, I appreciate your you know, hunting this stuff down
and putting it together like this, because, like you say,
it's not something you're going to see somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (01:56:08):
I don't think. So someone's got to get boots on
the ground and get this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
Yeah, somebody does, most definitely. Okay, if you've got other stuff.
I would like to have you back in the future too.

Speaker 4 (01:56:20):
Sure we can do a part two with the crash retrievals.
And that's what's talked about all the time. Now they
keep talking about crash retrievals. What they should be doing
is investigating Leonard Streamfield cases because he's the world's expert.
He's the one who vetted out these first ten military witnesses,
people who touched the UFOs that they recovered, they loaded

(01:56:43):
these craft up, they were on the retrieval teams, they
saw the bodies, they assisted the bodies walking out of
these craft. We've got multiple cases. We've got a case
from an office worker at the Pentagon back in nineteen
fifty two. She accidentally went into an off limits room
and she kind of did a one hundred and eighty

(01:57:04):
degree turn and she saw a pickled alien and a
large glass container kept in a preservation for mel the
hyde fluid. We got her testimony. We have the testimony
from Missus G who in nineteen fifty five was at
the Foreign Materials Division at Right Patterson Air Force Base,
and she said that she cataloged a thousand components that

(01:57:27):
came from the interior of a crash retrieval. You think
about what that means is we always hear that there's
no physical evidence in these congressional hearings. Here we have
a woman, a credible witness, who not only touched these pieces,
but she cataloged them. And she saw two deceased et

(01:57:47):
corpses on a mobile Dolly roll right by her desk
as she's typing and cataloging these things away. So they've
gotten not only the physical evidence. They've got the motion
picture film reels. They've got the bodies, they've got the craft,
they've got the hardware, and they've got eight x ten
glossy black and white photographs of flying saucers in flight

(01:58:11):
taken by Air Force pilots in flight with F eighty
six and F ninety four starfire in chase. And they've
got this physical evidence. This is the kind of evidence
that needs to be brought out in congressional hearings.

Speaker 1 (01:58:28):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:58:28):
I don't know if we will ever see it. I
don't know if we will ever see it. Maybe they
think it's just too much for us. But after all
this time, and since a significant majority of this was
paid for by the American taxpayer, that's why we should
demand it, Carl.

Speaker 1 (01:58:46):
It's ours, so we want it now.

Speaker 4 (01:58:47):
That's right. That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:58:50):
Well, Michael, I know you have to get on with
your evening, but I will give you let our listeners
know where they can find your YouTube channel.

Speaker 4 (01:58:57):
Sure, okay. My YouTube channel is very simple. It's just
my name, Michael Shatt. Type Michael Shrapp into YouTube and
you'll find it. It's scchratt, totally simple. Everything that we've
talked about tonight is highlighted within the UFO channel, although
what you're seeing here is a lot of new information,
so I'm constantly refining and optimizing all this. But I've

(01:59:20):
got the crash retrievals on there. I've got the historical
UFO cases on there. I do a deep dive into
the legacy of gravity research and how they made the breakthrough.
I do talk about Challenger, I've got that on there.
I've got McDill Air Force Base that back in nineteen
sixty seven in September. I've got a very reliable witness

(01:59:43):
who is a naval combat veteran who stated that there
was a massive library at McDill Air Force Base where
they had film reels of UFOs. They had eight x
ten black and white glossy photographs and tremendous amount of evidence.
All that's on my YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 (02:00:00):
Well, thank you, Michael, and it's been an holdor having
you here, and I will definitely contact you about part two.

Speaker 4 (02:00:06):
Okay, sounds good.

Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
Thank Paul, Thank you, sir. Good night. You get a

(02:02:22):
shiver in.

Speaker 9 (02:02:23):
The dark, gets ready in the park, meantime.

Speaker 6 (02:02:29):
Down off the river, you're stopping your home everything. A
man's browing Dixie globble ball time.

Speaker 1 (02:02:42):
Feet away.

Speaker 6 (02:02:43):
When you hit him, you say green.

Speaker 1 (02:02:50):
And I stepped inside.

Speaker 7 (02:03:02):
This is Dark Spaces News. I'm Joshua Stark. The United
States is on track to record its highest number of
measles cases in more than three decades, raising concerns that
the country could lose its measles elimination status. Health officials
have recorded more than two two hundred and ninety five
cases so far this year, already surpassing the two two

(02:03:23):
hundred and eighty six cases reported in all of twenty
twenty five. Large outbreaks have been reported in South Carolina
and Utah, while cases have also been identified in dozens
of other states. The surge is being fueled by pockets
of low vaccination. The measles, mumps and rubella or MMR.

(02:03:44):
Vaccine is highly effective, but measles is so contagious that
about ninety five percent of people in a community need
to be vaccinated to prevent sustained spread. In recent years,
average two dose vaccination rates among children and dozens of
states have fallen from roughly ninety four percent from the

(02:04:04):
COVID nineteen pandemic to about ninety one percent afterwards. The
United States has maintained measles elimination status since two thousand,
but experts warn that ongoing transmission could put that designation
at risk. The problem extends beyond the US. Canada loss
its elimination status last year, while Mexico has reported more

(02:04:28):
than twelve thousand cases. Public health experts say measles elimination
is fragile and requires consistently high vaccination rates. They warned
that declineing coverage creates vulnerable communities where the virus can
quickly gain a foothold. The measles vaccine remains the most
effective tool for preventing outbreaks. Catch up with dark spaces

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News on the dark spaces News Facebook page and darkspacesnews
dot Com. From Memphis, Tennessee, I'm josh, it goes dark.

Speaker 1 (02:05:04):
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Speaker 9 (02:05:05):
It's the most fun you can have with the radio,
talk to people around the world or even orbiting the world.
And you don't need a two year contract or internet
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Speaker 2 (02:05:33):
I knew I was stuck at this kid's house the night.
I've decided to just go to sleep and get the
night over with. But those guys can do. The bedroom
gone to a massive pillow fight. Let me tell you
it's not easy find asleep when a sweaty little kid
fall on you every five seconds. Even after the lights
went out, Rawing and his friends stayed up. A bunch
of them snuck up on me to trample a hand

(02:05:53):
in a ball of warm water.

Speaker 1 (02:05:54):
Trick.

Speaker 2 (02:05:54):
Well, that was enough for me. I went downstairs a
sleep in the basement, even though it was pitched black.
My sleeping bag upstairs, and that was a mistake because
it was freezing. I think it was probably the longest
night of my life. When the sun came up this morning,
I found out the reason it was so cold. I
was sleeping right by the sliding glass door, and some
fool had gone and left it open all night. That
really sunk because if I knew there was a way

(02:06:17):
to escape last night, I definitely would have taken it.
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Speaker 4 (02:06:48):
I can get you sleep.

Speaker 6 (02:06:52):
I think about the implications I'm diving into a deep
possibly the compregations, especially at night, my worry over situations
I know will be all right. Perhaps it's just to imagination.

Speaker 1 (02:07:16):
Day I read.

Speaker 5 (02:07:29):
Join host Carl Richardson as he interviews top guests in
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Speaker 1 (02:07:42):
Once again, we've reached the end of another edition of
Midnight Frequency Radio. I want to thank Michael Scratt for
joining us tonight and taking us on his UFO Magical
Mystery Tour, and to everyone listening tonight. Thank you for
spending part of your weekend with us here on midnight
Frequency Radio. Next Saturday night, we'll be back with another

(02:08:03):
very interesting guests, and this will actually be his third
time joining us here on midnight Frequency Radio. Returning to
the program will be David John Oates, the founder and
discoverer of reverse speech. For more than four decades, David
has researched a phenomenon that he believes may reveal an
entirely different level of human communications, one operating beneath the

(02:08:28):
words we consciously speak. We've had some fascinating conversations with
David during his previous appearances, but this time we're going
to take the discussion in a different direction. We're not
just going to look back at the history of reverse speech.
We're going to look forward. David has recently launched a
new reverse speech grassroots movement, an effort to bring together

(02:08:52):
people from around the world who want to learn about
the phenomenon, experiment with it, conduct their own recent search,
and help introduce reverse speech to a new generation. We'll
talk about why David believes that the time has come
for a grassroots movement, what he hopes to accomplish and
where he sees reverse speech going in the years ahead.

(02:09:16):
Will also explore some much bigger questions. If reverse speech
is prevailing genuine information from our conscious awareness, what does
that tell us about the human mind? Could it change
the way we understand consciousness, communications, psychology, and even ourselves?

(02:09:37):
And perhaps most importantly, what could the future implications of
reverse speech be for the human race. After more than
forty years of research, David believes there is still much
more waiting to be discovered, and that reverse speech may
ultimately have implications far beyond anything he imagined when he

(02:09:57):
first stumbled across the phenomen decades ago. We'll also explore
where his research has been, where it is today, and
where David believes it could take us into the future.
That's next Saturday night, when Javid John Oates returns for
his third appearance on Midnight Frequency Radio. Until then, I'm

(02:10:19):
Carl Richardson from the Late Art Bell and Evan Lewis.
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