Peter Robbins May 9th 2026

Topic: Budd Hopkins UFOs Research on Abductions

Peter Robbins is one of the most respected investigative writers and public speakers on the subject of UFOs. He has more than thirty years experience as a researcher, investigator, writer, lecturer, activist and author. A regular guest on radio shows around the country, he has appeared on or been consultant to numerous television shows and documentaries. He is also co-author of the British best-seller, Left at East Gate: A First-Hand Account of the Rendlesham Forest UFO Incident, Its Cover-Up and Investigation. Peter was also best friends with late UFO Abductions researcher Bud Hopkins.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:38):
From the Ozark Foothills of northeast Arkansas. This is Midnight
Frequency Radio and I'm your host, Carl Richardson. Tonight we
opened the door to one of the most controversial, emotionally charged,
in deeply unsettling mysteries in the world of UFO research,
the phenomenon of alien abductions. For decades, stories have emerged

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from ordinary people who claim to have experienced encounters that
defy explanation, missing time, strange beings, unexplained scars, memories recovered
through hypnosis, experiences so life altering that many who lived
through them spent years afraid to speak publicly about what

(01:21):
they believed happened to them. Whether you approach these accounts
with belief skepticism are cautious curiosity, one thing remains undeniable.
Thousands of people across the world have reported eerily similar
experiences without knowing one another, and for decades, one man

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stood at the center of investigating these cases with seriousness, compassion,
and relentless determination, the late Bud Hopkins. Hopkins was among
the first researchers to bring the abduction phenomenon into mainstream
discussion through books like Miss Time and Intruders. He approached

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witnesses not as sensational stories, but as human beings trying
to understand extraterrestrial experiences. His research would influence generations of
investigations and forever change the landscape of UFO studies. Tonight,
joining us is a man who knew Bud Hopkins not

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only as a fellow researcher, but as a close friend.
One of the most respected voices in UFO investigation today,
Peter Robins. Peter has more than thirty years of experience
as a research investigator, writer, lecturer, activist and author in
the field of UFO phenomena. He has appeared on countless

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radio programs, television documentaries and investigative specials discussing UFO encounters
and government secrecy. Peter is also co author of the
best selling book Left Eastgate, widely considered one of the
definitive works on the Wendlesham's Forest incident and its alleged

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cover up. But tonight, our focus turns toward his years
alongside Bud Hopkins, the evolution of abduction research and the
profound questions surrounding consciousness, memory, trauma, and the possibility that
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Speaker 1 (06:30):
And this is Carl and welcome in, Peter Robbins. It's
a pleasure to have you on Midnight Frequency Radio.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
I'm glad to be here, Carl.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
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So how did you first become interested in UFO phenomenon
in high strangeness cases?

Speaker 6 (06:48):
Consciously, I had absolutely zero interest in the subject at
all until I was almost thirty and a repressed memory
from childhood came back, and it was a very unambiguous,
very clear daylight sighting of five craft with one of

(07:08):
my sisters, and I really could not handle it, and
that memory was submerged, and it was more than fourteen
years later when it came back, at which time I
was quite overwhelmed by it, but thought things through. Called
my sister without feeding her any line, so to say.

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She confirmed my memory, but then added her conscious memories
when she'd never forgotten of what we would now call
vignettes from an archetypical abduction experience. And this was fifty
years ago, and I had never heard anything like this

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in my life. But my sister and I were very close,
and something told me she was not long and she
had confirmed our seeing actual, fully articulated UFOs over the
neighbor's house. So it really started then in my late twenties.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
What led you to meet mister Hopkins. Was it a
request from him to investigate your case?

Speaker 6 (08:20):
No? You have to understand that once this realization kind
of started to take over my life, it did a
lot to derail my career. And I didn't know anyone
who was interested in the subject. I didn't know there

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were UFO conferences, you know, several decades before the Internet.
And I began by looking and use bookstores, getting books,
ultimately connecting up with one, two, and then three individuals.

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About less than a year after this obsession began with me,
I was in Midtown Manhattan, where I lived, and noticed
at one of the news kiosks a small headline on
one of our weekly papers that said, quite simply, sane

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man ses UFO. Well, as you can imagine, that stopped
me cold. I bought the paper and went home and
read it. It was the best written and the best
investigated case I had encountered since I started looking at
the subject. And I was an artist and a painter,

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teaching painting at the School of Visual Arts in Manhattan,
and I knew there was a painter named Bud Hopkins
who also spelled his first name with two d's, and
it was the old days. I went to the New
Yor City phone book. I cold called him, introduced myself
told him about a little about my sister and my

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memories and that like him, I was interested in the
subject and would he be interested in getting together. And
his first question was tell me about your art. That
didn't go over really big. We did very different kinds
of stuff, but I went to visit him a few
days later. And we all know those moments in our

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lives where something profound is changing, but you don't realize
it because it's happening in the moment, And that was
sitting at his kitchen table, having some coffee and talking
about art, life and UFOs, a title of his Wonderful
memoir many years later, completely unaware of the hundreds of

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cups of coffee I would have at that table over
the next thirty five years as a friend, college, his
assistant for many years, and going through all the things
you do in life. But that's how we met.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
What was your first impression of mister Hopkins, kid.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
You well, I liked him immediately. First. I already respected
him as a writer, and that's not a bad place
to start from there, it was that we had a
great deal in common. We could talk for hours about
artists and museums that were favorites of ours and New

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York City itself. We're both pretty well read, talk politics
a lot, and he was smart. He was a very
caring person, and the many people that he worked with,
many of them went on to become good friends. He

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really it was terribly curious, as many of us are,
we wouldn't get into this work, and had very high
standards that he held himself too. For example, a lot
of people began to do hypnotic regressions in the eighties.

(12:15):
You know, you can go to school, or study it online,
or receive your certification number of ways. And Bud had
worked with a really pioneering psychologist, doctor Aphrodite Klamar, who
was also a hypnotherapist, and she was the one who
taught Bud the techniques that he used. But he did

(12:37):
something that I don't know anyone else who did that
work or does that work has done, which was for
the next seven years he worked with her, in other words,
consulted her about the cases, about how he was dealing,
extracting material, learning what he was learning, and always with

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great respect for the individual that was under If somebody
would come to him and say I want to be hypnotized,
to find out if I was taken by non human presences.
His first question would always be, are you sure? Talk
about all the reasons that they might not want to,
and only after it was really clear that they did

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and ideally had some kind of support system, whether it
was family or a special friend, or a counselor or
what have you. In a field of research that is
being kind of made up as we went along as
close to scientific method as we could, he really did

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set the bar high again for himself and for the
people that followed him that area of specialty work.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
In a twenty eleven article you wrote, Art Life UFOs
Hopkins Memorial Essay, you said that mister Hopkins had a
furiously curious intellect. What do you think made him so
driven to pursue answers about the abduction phenomenon?

Speaker 6 (14:12):
First, it's about the most interesting question one can ask
about the world we're living today. Are human beings being
taken by non human presences, subjected to examinations or things
that seemed to be surgeries, influenced, traumatized, enlightened. It was

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a subject that he was simply drawn to. I'm as
sure as I can be that, but never had that
kind of experience, but he did have a UFO sighting
in the nineteen sixties in Cape Cod, Massachusetts, where he'd
spend the summers walking along a beach over cast day,

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but most certainly a fully articulated disc moving along quietly
over the ocean, not very far out right along the shoreline,
seemingly under intelligent control, not making a sound, and that
stayed with him. What completely inspired him to split his career,

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which really is very demanding, was the case that he
wrote about in The Village Voice that I had read
about in nineteen seventy six the year we met, which
was about a man named Georgio Barski, World War two
veteran lived in New Jersey but worked on Bud's Street,

(15:45):
West sixteenth Street, Manhattan, on the liquor store. Bud was
a Scotch drinker, you know, every month or whatever however long,
I'd buy a bottle and chat with George. And one
afternoon he went in and he said, you know, this
is a guy from the neighborhood. Weren't close friends or anything,
but certainly I knew a little about him, and he

(16:08):
me and George just didn't want to talk. And he's
obviously very upset about something, but certainly was a very
good listener. It was one of the things that made
him so good at what he did. And George said,
you're going to think I'm crazy, but told him the

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story of having driven home a few nights before after
staying there late doing an inventory, working till about two
in the morning and seeing a landing of a UFO
on the Jersey coast and not a very busy area
two three in the morning, described the whole situation that

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he observed, how he reacted to it, which was absolutely terrified.
Now his son, who worked a night job, lived together,
Dad was a widower, went back and found the area
and the disturbance in the soil, and Bud simply kind
of turned into he applied private investigation thinking without ever

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having studied it. But when you're an artist, you are
trained to think out of the box. And again, the
case was so well researched first case that moufon the
Mutual UFO network and the largest UFO organization in the
world nominated or named it the best case of the

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year the following year when they gave that honors on
that When we met in nineteen seventy six, Bud was
just beginning to really look at and think about this
abduction phenomena. Very few people were in the work because
it's difficult enough to be an adult and taken seriously.
Of course, that's all changing now, but back in the day,

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you were the ultimate outsider, and you know, Koo could
conspiracy not and call it what you will, and he
avoided any sensationalism and became extremely good at investigating this
most compelling mystery and at the same time continuing to

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paint and be an active visual artist.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
How did Bud balance being a respected artist with becoming
one of the most controversial UFO researchers in America?

Speaker 6 (18:35):
The art part is very private. The studio where he
did his paintings and sculptures was well in the back
of his house, large space and completely not accessible to
the public. For most artists, doing your work as a
fairly solitary process, and he always had that to go

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back to. I think it also helped ground him, especially
when you're working with anxiety provoking situations or with folks
who are dealing with great trauma or confusion in their life.
So again, he was an artist of many years standing

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when he became interested in the subject of UFO, so
it was not changing. It just stayed there as the
anchor in the background, and he continued to do and
show his work for the rest of his life.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
What was he like in everyday life away from UFO research.

Speaker 6 (19:38):
Overall? A lot of fun, had a great sense of humor,
and an enthusiasm about communicating the things he was passionate about.
Two other people like art like me. If you're going
to be giving a talk in another town or city

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or country, one of the things Buddos used to do
and I always try to do as well, is find
out if there's a museum there of whatever kind, and
if it might be interesting to visit. I grew up
in great part exploring the museums of New York City,
and unless it's something completely uninteresting to me, I will

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go to a museum on any subject at any opportunity.
They are wonderful places. And I know Nick Pope was
joking sometime years ago about that. When bud was in London,
Nick walked him around and explained everything to him in
the Tate Gallery, which was very funny. And the other

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thing was he had a lot of friends, different kinds
of artists, writers, folks, on the block fans who went
on to become friends and would have parties occasionally, but
could also be a very solitary person as a writer
often the case, and he wrote five or six books,

(21:09):
I think, but he had a balance in his life
in that sense, and he's very fortunate that he did.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Mister Hopkins had an enormous compassion for people that experienced
How emostly was that for him to work with?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Did it affect him greatly?

Speaker 6 (21:24):
I think, like a lot of professionals that work with
people who are confronting personal mysteries in their life, sometimes trauma,
sometimes just a floating anxiety that they feel might be
pinned to this subject. They asked the question one more time.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
He had an enormous compassion for experiencers. How emotionally difficult
was that for him to work with?

Speaker 6 (21:55):
I think again, like a lot of professionals that deal
with folks that are stretched out, if not in real
emotional trouble, you find ways to simply manage it. You
know what you're in for, and you can be empathetic
toward an individual without it tearing you apart. You know,

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you can be kind and respectful without going into a
deep depression. About what that person is going through. I
think for lake counselors all the way through, psychotherapists, psychiatrists,
different kinds of specialty, mental health professionals, you have to

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have some kind of divider or else you'll just eat
yourself alive.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Do you think he ever became overwhelmed by some of
the time are abductees shared with him?

Speaker 6 (22:55):
Not overwhelmed, but certainly stressed out?

Speaker 1 (22:59):
You wrote he never never charged abducties for help. Why
was the principle so important for him?

Speaker 6 (23:06):
Yeah? I had asked him about that at a certain
point after we had worked together for some years, because
I had observed him for hundreds of hours, working very
closely with people in terms of listening, talking, again, doing
hypnotic regressions, a number of which I witnessed, that he

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he just had that ability and the desire to be
of help to people. And when I asked him about
why he didn't charge or be actively open to donations.
And again remember this is forty years ago. Less more,

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there were a number of particularly vicious debunkers who made
it their twenty four hour day business to attack, undermine, demean.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Someone like Philip Class.

Speaker 6 (24:07):
Yeah, and Philip was I guess the best known and
a very destructive personality who could be very charming, and
we kind of used him as a touchstone for debunkers.
And there was no question in Bud's mind that if

(24:29):
somebody donated ten dollars to our coffee fund who was
working with Bud, whether they're being hypnotically regressed or not,
and he found out about it, that he would do
everything he could to wire up people thinking that this
guy is taking money for what he's doing, and all

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these weak minded people that think they've been abducted by aliens.
This is obviously a charlotte and maybe it's even criminal
what he's doing, and you don't want to get yourself
in that position. At the same time, this allowed him
to hold his head high, really, but he could have
used that extra income and certainly would have been nothing

(25:13):
wrong with him receiving it had that happened.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
We have all types out there, though it's a shame.
What did you personally learn from Bud about dealing with
experiences respectfully and ethically dealing with them like that?

Speaker 6 (25:28):
I guess Bud, more than anything, served to reinforce the
core values I had when we met in the way
that I lived my life and handle myself professionally, whatever
the profession has been. At different times I had I
would say, two mentors before him, when I'm tough, no

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nonsense New York City Police detective who also happened to
be a crack UFO investigator, who taught me to investigate
these events in the most pragmatic, nuts and bolts manner.
I don't have much of an interest in the cases

(26:12):
of folks, and don't take this the wrong way. Anybody
that's listening who have had positive experiences, I think it's wonderful,
and I'm convinced that's a reality for many experiences as well.
It's just that I came in the way that I
did with great curiosity about what happened to my sister,

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and that I tend to care about people that I've
never met and can offer some assistance sometimes only by
being a good listener. Like Bud, you follow the information
that comes to you that you seek out. You don't

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push it in any direction. Once you have completed an investigation,
the results of the results. Reality doesn't care what we believe.
As I like to say, sometimes the conclusion of an
investigation might not only not come out the way that
you had anticipated, but perhaps not the way you wanted
it to. If you had a point you wanted to prove,

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and this proved is the opposite that kind of thing.
When you make an error something that I'm very good at.
What you don't do is, you know, be a tough
guy and just a hard ass, and you know it'll
blow over, people will forget my way of the highway.

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You make damn sure that you correct that error, whether
it's in print or you know, in a broadcast or
in a talk that you're doing and then move on.
And it's kind of a sad shame that some folks
don't do that. Let's face it. In order to be
a ufologist, all you have to do to qualify is

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a little variation of touch your finger to your nose
and turn around three times. There's no you know, Bar
Association or American Medical Association to center you if you
get it wrong or your intention is to deceive. So

(28:20):
we've all got to be ideally as ethically as we can.
And if somebody doesn't seem like they should be taken
at base value, don't.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
And unfortunately there's no guidebook for for us to.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Go buy on this.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
You spent years assisting Bud at the Intruders Foundation.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
What was a typical day like.

Speaker 6 (28:43):
There, Well, I might work a couple of days a week,
and our whole business area was a corner of his
painting studio with some filing cabinets and desks and that
kind of thing. Bud did his writing on kind of
a narrow balcony above the studio and go up a

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set of stairs and big old mainframe computer almost directly
above my desk. If it was a major writing day
for him, then as a page would come out of
the printer, he would drop it and it would either
come down right on my desk, on the floor next
to it, or on my head. So it was fun,

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and I had the opportunity to be the first person
to proofread what he had what he was working on.
It might be an article, a criticism, or review a
chapter in a book, and at some point I'd probably
go out and get us lunch. Like me, he enjoyed

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a couple of old fashioned, wonderful comics named Bob and
Ray who were radio stars for many years and forties,
fifties and sixties, very deadpan, very funny. We might listen
to them on the radio. It might be a day
where he was either out of town at a conference
or visiting somebody who had had experience. Sometimes they would

(30:13):
come to the studio of the times. He might visit
them for any number of reasons. It might actually be
a day where he was painting part of the day
and I was doing paperwork. What kind of paperwork? Every interview,
every regression was audio cassette recorded. There were probably a

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thousand or so that I used a double old fashioned
double entry accountants ledger, the subject, the date, the individual,
what number it was. Answering the mail could take a
lot of time, especially if he had just recently done
a television show or something and a lot of people

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had questions for him. The post office was two blocks away.
I'd walk over and get the stuff out of the box,
bring it back. But was very old school. And whether
or not it was a long, handwritten, profoundly detailed letter
from an individual that didn't have a phone number that

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he wanted to talk to, he or I would always
write a note, an old fashioned note on intruder's foundation stationery,
mail it in the mail. I thought that was a
great thing to do. It's tough enough, I guess for
many people to get to the point where they think

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to themselves, my god, maybe this has happened to me.
I'm starting to feel that way for a number of reasons.
What's this guy going to think when I write him,
He'll think I'm crazy? And just you know, normal rules
of good human behavior. Be respectful, be kind, if you
can be of assistant. Do At the same time, this

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was serious work, and you couldn't let a significant criticism pass.
More often than not, you ignore folks that are what
I would call ankle biders, and you know away in
America to become well known as to attack somebody who's
very well known, and you know, occasionally there would be

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that kind of interchange going on out there, but more
often than not, it could vary from day to day.
It could be not boring, just like any office work.
But in the back of the front of my mind,
I was very clearly aware that the work that I

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was assisting him doing was very important and that likely
in a time way after we're here, people would know
who Bud Hopkins was and the contributions he had made
to are better understanding the world around us and our
place in it.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Before mister Hopkins entered a picture. How serious was the
abduction phenomenon?

Speaker 6 (33:11):
Taken great questions. There was the Betty and Barney Hill case,
which this year is sixty five years ago, the first
really well known.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Case, and every kind of the turning point case. Weren't
they well.

Speaker 6 (33:30):
The world of uthologists at the time, and to a
great degree, the demographic is still pretty similar, of middle
aged white guys wanting to be taken seriously on a
subject that the world has been conditioned or had been
conditioned to think of as a side gag, you know,
wink wink, nudge nudge, the flying sauces and little green men.

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And it was all right, even in polite society to
say that you were still declassified documents, radar returns, the
results of trace cases, a term we use for organic
material that's been transformed or affected in some way coming

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in contact with the UFO or a paranormal situation. And
that as a colleague of Buds and another well known
UFO abduction researcher, doctor David Jacobs, said to me, once
we were keeping our eyes on the cars and not
the drivers, it was okay to talk about a UFO

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as possibly the most extreme possibility of course as a
intelligently constructed advanced craft from parts unknown, coming and going
with impunity for reasons we can only guess at And
it was not okay. It was embarrassing. Society wasn't ready

(34:57):
for it. And I'll tell you one thing. When Bud
and I met in nineteen seventy six, he was just
beginning his first book. It didn't get published till nineteen
eighty one. He worked on his first book, five Years
Missing Time, which remains a seminal classic in the field.

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One of the things that it established for the first
time was this pattern that Bud termed missing time. And
you know, those two words have been out there forever.
But now, when you say missing time, folks, very often
with no interest, particularly in the UFO phenomena, understand that

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that is a phrase for something beyond the explainable and
conventional terms. And when that book was published, there was
a great deal of attention on it and on Bud,
and it happened very fast. You know, from the mid
seventies he certainly was known to other researchers doing what

(36:11):
he was doing, but it was not until that book
was published that he really became an international figure in
the work were there.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Other patterns like missing time that began to emerge in
witness testimony that caught Bud's attention.

Speaker 6 (36:27):
Yeah, and other researchers as well. When I was a kid,
there was a public service announcement on television, maybe I
was seven or eight, and it was these are the
seven deadly warning signs of cancer. A sore that does
not heal up quickly, a sore throat that does not
and they give you a list, And I remember as

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a kid sitting there going, oh, yeah, and if one, two, three,
or four things that we look for because they're indicative
of folks that have these experiences. And that's not because
we made them that way. That's because that is the
pattern that has emerged among researchers and what they've observed

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and learned from folks that have had these experiences that
let's say you're making breakfast and you're making two fried
eggs and moment you're just kind of daydreaming and look
down into the pan and it's not two fried eggs,
it's two very large eyes looking up at you. If again,

(37:37):
something like that, if there's an area near where you live,
maybe it's the most beautiful little piece of park space
absolutely exquisite, but you have an irrational fear of not
just going there, but going near it, and we'll do
whatever you can to avoid it. One animal that has

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come up repeatedly in visions and memories and thoughts of
folks that have had these experiences are owls. My friend
and colleague Mike Clelland has written about it very eloquently
and extensively. But there have been people who have a

(38:21):
pathological fear of a four foot white owl, and I
feel they've observed one on their windowsill at some time. Well,
there are no four foot tall white owls. The mind
can obscure what we don't want to deal with, or

(38:43):
these intelligences certainly have the power to affect our perceptions,
and you have several factors that may be coming at
you like that. Anyway, there's probably somewhere between fifteen and
twenty that have come up often enough that if you

(39:07):
had a dozen of them or eleven as opposed to four,
that would support your idea or your memory or your
concern that you had had this type of experience.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I guess a four foot tall gray with big eyes would.
It's a good resemblance to aol.

Speaker 6 (39:29):
And the other. Another thing is nobody likes to go
to the dentist, but I mean a terror of going
into a dentist's office and things that just don't jive.
It's one thing again to be anxious or concerned or
a little fearful, but to be irrationally terrified of X

(39:52):
number of points on. You know, a database doesn't make
it the deciding factor. But you know where most of
us self trained in this and do our best to
put the pieces together.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Were there similarity between cases from different countries and cultures.

Speaker 6 (40:10):
Yes, yeah, very much, so, so much so that that's
the answer to the question.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Simple quickboard witnesses usually come forward willingly or were they afraid?

Speaker 6 (40:27):
It depends on the witness, absolutely as independent a decision
as anybody would want to make. Again, we have to
frame what we're discussing right now with years now of
hearings in the House of Representatives and whistleblowers' names who

(40:50):
have become not pop stars but well known figures in
public life, that back then you had folks who the
last thing they wanted was for anybody to know that
this had happened, in part because maybe they thought they

(41:11):
were crazy or they knew they weren't crazy, but they
knew how crazy it would sound. Other people who, like
my sister, she was a poet, went on to become
a singer, songwriter, performer. Her concern was not getting a
social service job or you know, being an establishment person.

(41:34):
She could have cared less about somebody's opinion about what
she knew had happened to her. Where again, I remember
doing an episode of the old Heraldo Show a lot
of years ago in the eighties with Bud and with
my sister and several other people, and one of the
guests who was certainly as authentic as anybody I've met,

(41:58):
lovely woman who was a very high ranking business officer
in a major pharmaceutical concern in Westchestern.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
New York.

Speaker 6 (42:10):
And not only was she behind a screen, but they
augmented her voice. And of course she had a pseudonym
because her career would blow up in her face if
she were publicly associated with that person claiming those experiences

(42:31):
on that show. And we can understand that, you know,
in terms of the way corporations have to think. So, yeah,
it depends on the individual. And in my life, I've
had a number of people over the years who I've
known as friends or colleagues or whatever. Who I had
no idea had had an experience like this, who maybe

(42:55):
years into knowing me. You know, let's go have a
drink and tell me that this had happened to them
as well.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
I think a lot it was like that back then.
I think it's more open now. But like air force pilots, airline.

Speaker 6 (43:10):
Pilots, yes, no question about it. So many that had
the courage to talk about their experiences simply lost their careers,
no question.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Well, sir, it is forty five after the hour. I'm
going to go into my break here and we'll return
right after that.

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Speaker 1 (50:27):
We're back with Peter Robbins speaking about Bud Hopkins. And
I've been skipping around of my questions because i want
to kind of cover some of the information that you
forwarded to me. How carefully did Bud Hopkins document hypnotic
regression sessions and witness testimony.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
As carefully as possible? I guess now video has really
become the standard way that folks record of the folks.
There is something though about aiming a camera in somebody's face,
at least initially, that can make them self conscious. Every again,
as I said in the first half, every meeting, every interview,

(51:11):
every hypnotic regression that happened at Bud's house and certainly
when you go to visit other folks was recorded, and
those audio cassettes were logged into kind of an old
fashioned double accounting set of books, so we had records

(51:33):
on who the individual was, maybe, main topics that were
dealt with in the regression, what number regression it was.
Some people did it once, other people a great deal
more for any number of reasons, the date, of course,
and any other logical information that might be Germaine there

(51:59):
and then just physically filed away the analog days.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
So to say, yes, What emotional effects that abductees experience more.

Speaker 6 (52:10):
Commonly, again depends on the individual abductee. For some folks,
it was really the core of their entire secret life
and the way that living with a secret, think of
a more conventional one, but one that can be just traumatic.

(52:31):
It's debilitating, and for some people at the same time,
they just can't let go. They know with air quotes
that they'll be censured or judged or laughed at, and
so they keep the secret or they can find someone
to confide it to. And that person can be a friend,

(52:55):
a family member, a religious counselor a psycho in trist
just a good person that can respect the possibility that
something like this would happen and give them an opportunity
to share about it. That can be tremendously valuable. Again,
others who were you know, the help with it. This

(53:16):
happened to me, and I'm not going to make believe
it didn't. And if you've got a problem with it,
it's your problem, not mine again, Now I think it's
it's regarded by folks who ten years ago, five years
ago would have thought this was madness as a possibility,

(53:37):
and that has been underscored for now half a dozen years,
however long the House has been holding their hearings and
bringing in any number of individuals to flesh out the subject.
But yeah, again, it's one of those individual subjects where

(53:58):
there's no hard rule of how a person's going to
choose to deal with their experience.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
I'm sure you set in on some of these regrets
and sessions. What was the atmosphere like.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
Well, it was just Bud and the individual and nobody
else unless I was there or somebody else was requested
by the person being put under. Folks who conduct regression
have different techniques. And the thing that used to impress

(54:33):
me most about how Bud would work was he could
spend twenty minutes just working with a person to be
in the most relaxed, calm, easygoing state imaginable. And they
all knew that they if it became too frightening, there'd

(54:57):
usually be a sentence or a word, and you know,
three two one a year out of it. A few
sessions that I sat in on people were indeed dealing
with abductions, at least some of the experience of which
traumatize them, and that was very challenging. Somebody a few

(55:22):
feet away from you is reliving a terrifying moment in
your life in their life. And there'd be other times
there's something funny would come up, because that's the nature
of life and a quirky memory. I guess the most
important thing for me was coming to understand and something

(55:44):
that was really set in motion by something but had
said to me, which was some years into our work.
He suggested that I consider training to do regressive hypnosis.
He felt I had the patient and the temperament, certainly
the desire to use to be of service, to be

(56:06):
able to effectively assist people. I remember going home that
day thinking feeling very very flattered. I saw it as
a compliment, and a few days later, when I was
back at work and we were talking about it, I
told him I was flattered, but that no, I wasn't

(56:32):
going to do it. I liked being his assistant. I
didn't want to be Bud Hopkins, and I was good
at assisting him, so I.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
That I'm like you, I would agree I'm more of
and something like that, I would be more to sit
back and help than actually perform the hypnosis.

Speaker 6 (56:57):
I also think that if that's a part of your
regular working life, or like some mental health professionals different
counselors who deal with people who are regularly not just
stressed out but expressing it. I'm not going to say
it shortens your life, but it's an extra challenge to

(57:17):
take on. And I felt I was doing good doing
the supportive work.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Yeah, I'd be afraid I'd miss somebody up do say
the wrong thing or something. Was hypnosis essential amity of
these investigations.

Speaker 6 (57:34):
It's right now when I see reference to it, they're
almost all negative. No, In fact, many folks have no
real interest in hypnotic aggression. They just wanted to know
the facts around the possibilities like that, And but again

(57:56):
did nothing to encourage people unless he felt truly that
they would benefit from it. Some of the really nasty,
mean spirited, and I'm not going to say skeptics, You
and I and anybody even remotely involved in this work

(58:20):
not only needs to be a skeptic, but has to
maintain a certain skeptical attitude throughout because in a manner
of speaking, we don't have the luxury of disbelief anymore.
We know as well as we can know. If you're
somebody like me who's not an experiencer but has met
and spent time with hundreds of them and seen very

(58:44):
compelling evidence, the kind of evidence you can bring into
a court to support it. And at the same time,
I knew what we were doing was important and always
took pride in it.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
But every believe hypnosis revealed more than conscious memory alone.

Speaker 6 (59:01):
To the excess it certainly could be. It's not difficult
to think a regression if that's your intention. You know,
you just relax, listen to all the commands, take it
easy until you start being asked questions, and then you know,

(59:22):
in a kind of dream new voice, answer them. I'm
not even sure exactly how to articulate the thought, but
it's kind of like the grease. The squeaky wheel gets
the grease. And for many people, hypnotic regression is considered

(59:46):
controversial in that it's not fully scientific that you can
unintentionally influence the witness. You can certainly intentionally witness them
as well, and the possibility, I mean, think about how

(01:00:08):
wrong ethically morally and in every other sense, it would
be to try to make somebody believe that they've had
this experience, and that charge was leveled against many people
over the years that they're just, you know, mentally ill
when you want to believe that they are UFOs. So
you're convincing other people there are, and we're going to

(01:00:30):
expose you for the fraud that you are. Again. You've
got to do your best, to do your best, and
if somebody comes at you with that kind of innuendo,
you come back at them and correct it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Yeah, did you or did Bud or did you ever
witness one? I don't know if you have heard the
recordings of Whitley Straber's regression where he just became totally terrified.
Did you experience any sessions that were similar to that?

Speaker 6 (01:01:07):
In two that come to mind, And in both cases,
at a certain point that person expressed the desire to
stop the session, and within a matter of a moment,
several moments, it was done. And it's as upsetting as

(01:01:28):
it would be if you're sitting with somebody and they
were they got a phone call with some terrible news
and started to cry the fact that but would sometimes
tell folks, if the anxiety was building up, remember this

(01:01:49):
happened in the past. You're safe here, We're simply re
looking at it, and the person would immediately resent it
or if not again, asked to stop the process and
it would stop. I think what it comes down to,
as it does in so many areas of life, it

(01:02:10):
depends on the practitioner, their intention, the level of their training,
their empathy, their motivation. You know, are you doing this
to help build a body of research that will be
of value to humanity? Are you doing this to assist

(01:02:30):
an individual? Are you doing this because you want to
write a book about it? And everything else? Be damned.
It all depends on the individual. And there are folks
in the work who are as good as they get
in terms of all of that important stuff, and other
people who may be technically very adept but kind of

(01:02:56):
cold hearted or looking at the individual dual in question
as an exhibit or a bug on a board.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
You know, were there any abduction cases that affected you
personally the most?

Speaker 6 (01:03:12):
Yeah, my sisters of course, and ones with kids that
all the evidence was there, and you know, you don't
want to think about it, but those ones would have
upset me. The single case though that still stays with

(01:03:32):
me that is the most impacting is the case of
Lindon and Politano, the subject of Bud's book, witnessed the
true story of the Brooklyn Bridge UFO abductions and what
that woman went through over the years, and the ramifications
of that story, moments with otherwise folks that we all know,

(01:03:57):
you know, are friends, our neighbors, people we deal with
as merchants or interface with on the job. The only
thing is they've had these kinds of experiences and deal
with it the way they deal with it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
I'm like you, I think the child abduction stuff would
probably hit me the hardest.

Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
Yeah, And at the same time, as kids can be
tremendously resilient in crisis, in even trauma, imagine your parent
and you've been physically restrained and you're unable to intercede
on your child's behalf. That's tornal some relationships apart, particularly

(01:04:47):
poignant in dealing with a grown up child and you know,
their elder parent, where there's been damage within the relationships
of the family that go back to the kids saying
you just stood there and you did nothing, and they
took me. That's heartbreaking. It's enraging, and my mind has

(01:05:14):
to keep returning to in that narrow slice of pie,
of all of the things that UFOs are or represent,
there is this group of intelligences that are involved in
this process with human beings. And not surprisingly because of

(01:05:36):
the way I entered the work, through being bowled over
by my sister's experience, that still remains the most interesting, compelling,
I think, in some ways most significant part of this phenomena.
Other parts of the phenomena, like any areas of natural research,

(01:06:00):
go into different specialty areas, and you know, there's some
folks that are happy to be buried in libraries and
archives and you know, be that kind of detective. Other
people that like working in a lab and that's where
they can make their best contributions. Other people doing the

(01:06:22):
best to chronicle the experiencers, and now more and more
experiencers and abductees not necessarily working with Abud Hopkins or
another chronicler or writer, but doing it on their own

(01:06:42):
or with another experiencer. There's no rules here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
I'm going to go over to this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Your two thousand and nine article in your paper, you
discuss how politicians offered and avoid the FO topic because
of really kill. Do you think that stigma is finally
beginning to break her? Are they still holding to that?

Speaker 6 (01:07:08):
I think it's definitely finally beginning to break. In two
thousand and nine, politicians overall who were on record as
taking the subject seriously were taken less seriously themselves. And
once again it's rooted in the silly, condescending, jokey archetypes

(01:07:35):
of flying sauces, little green men. Now it's changed markedly.
I use some examples in that paper though, where when
Jimmy Carter took office and he had had a signing
with a whole bunch of other people campaigning for governor

(01:07:57):
years before in Arkansas, I enjoyed and it became kind
of a joke about Carter. But when he did become president,
he had a meeting that is well documented now with
his head of NASA, and Carter felt seemed kind of

(01:08:21):
logical that the whole UFO question should be turned over
to NASA, because you know, it's space stuff. And the
director at that time responded to Carter that he could
do whatever he wanted he was president, but that if
he did that he would have to hand in his resignation.

(01:08:42):
It is just considered so difficult to even get the
necessary funding to do normal NASA work that if they
were now space and flying saucers, you know, it would
hurt the agency tremendously. Gerald Ford, as a congressman from Michigan,

(01:09:03):
very courageously pushed for an investigation in Congress in nineteen
sixty eight. Governor Richardson of New Mexico, again this is
fifteen years ago, had a very serious interest in Roswell,
and while campaigning in the Democratic primaries, at a certain

(01:09:29):
point he just got so sick and tired of being
asked over and over about you believe the little Green
men Roswell, Roswell Roswell that he publicly just said no,
I don't. I changed my mind in so many words,
which is really depressing on a certain level, but one

(01:09:49):
can understand, especially because there are certain aspects of the
media still here with us didn't disappear after two thousand nine,
that just harp on this and will pester somebody to
death over a detail in trying to describe that something

(01:10:10):
that they saw that might be unusual. How can we
allow you to serve in our government? You believe in
flying sauces? You're crazy? Now? Again it is turning around
and in no uncertain.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Terms, was it Jimmy Carter that had the experience on
a back deck with a number of other witnesses with
him of red, white and blue flashing lights.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Was that Carter?

Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
I don't think so. As I recall it was either
it was a fraternal organization, whether it was the Elks
or the Lions or Kalanas, I don't remember, but it
was a picnic and he's in political candidate and there
was a UFO. There's a very famous Muffon document. You
could probably find it in two Google hits of the

(01:10:55):
Muffon reporting form that Carter filled out as an individual
public citizen private citizen after having that signing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Do you think some presidents were brief more deeply than
some of the other presidents that were involved. I mean,
I'm sure they look at some presidents and say, no,
let's not he'll tell him anything about this?

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
Yeah. Well, yes, I think they've probably all been told
different things based on how trustworthy they seem to be
in their temporary job as president. To the folks deep
in the intelligent community who we don't elect or didn't

(01:11:40):
who are the ones who are the real decision makers
here off the top of my head. We know, of
course that Truman was as well briefed as anybody could be,
because he was on the job when it happened, when
it started in nineteen forty seven. Eisenhower would have certainly
been popular with the military intelligengent's community, and he was

(01:12:03):
probably more brief than he wanted to be. But he's
certainly aware no love lost between the intelligence community and
President Kennedy, and he was probably not given much information.
But being a decorated war hero and many of us

(01:12:25):
feel an asset to Navy intelligence, and coming from a
very privileged and powerful family, he probably had his own
sources of information. Johnson, we can only guess at Nixon
would have certainly been in the know. George Bush Senior

(01:12:46):
was a former director of the Central Intelligence Agency. Lord
knows he would have known, and so on down the line.
Each one of them treated differently.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
You've suggested, and I tend to agree with you, who
presidents themselves did not fully control u FO information. Who
do you feel actually controls this knowledge?

Speaker 6 (01:13:08):
Well, yeah, I feel presidents don't control it at all,
and probably the great majority of them have been in
so many words, said, here's the basic situation. Our advice
to you, mister president, is hope to god this doesn't
blow up in your administration that you don't have to
deal with it again. Your question was, who.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Do you feel actually controls the information?

Speaker 6 (01:13:34):
I was going to jokingly say, that's definitely controlled by
the people that control the information. I think we're now,
as opposed to Whensenhower Kennedy was president, We're now dealing
with the situation where proof hardware laboratories working with actual

(01:13:58):
materials are not of the people. They are part of
the multinational corporate world and the military industrial complex that
Eisenhower so prophetically warned us against as he left office.

(01:14:19):
There's no one person. I think we can guess it's
held by different individuals, different branches within multinational businesses, and
certainly by a cabal for lack of a better word,
of intelligence and military intelligence professionals, and not just here

(01:14:46):
but in other countries as well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Yeah. I think defense contractors have a big part in
it myself.

Speaker 6 (01:14:53):
Yeah, also, there's it's a common military term. But need
to know, we know from the early days of the
cover up and the rich history of documentation in terms
of declassified letters documents, reports, and things. How seriously this

(01:15:16):
was taken by people high up in officialdom at the
exact same time that they're debunking the material, and that
given a certain military situation, a sergeant or a corporal
or a noncommissioned officer might know more about the specifics

(01:15:37):
of this question than some general because they had no
need to know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Why do you think John Podesta became such an outspoken
advocate for UFO transparency?

Speaker 6 (01:15:47):
Oh yeah. A former chief of staff under President Clinton.
John Podesta a great intellect, a very smart, well educated
man who was drawn to the subject first not because

(01:16:08):
of the UFO aspect per se, but because of the
excessive secrecy. That is what brought him into the world
of folks in UFO studies. He became aware that if
this isn't real, why are we seriously using such draconian

(01:16:32):
measures to not allow the people to have any information
about something that's not real. And that's how he began
to or that's why he began to educate himself to
the UFO question and became a respected part of the community.
In his case, that was how it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
You wrote extensively about the ridicule factor surrounding UFOs. How
damaging has ridiculed been to serious scientific inquiry.

Speaker 6 (01:17:02):
Well up until recently, phenomenally damaging. There's an individual, really
kind of legendary in the work. Doctor James McDonald was
an atmospheric physicist at the University of Arizona, a brilliant

(01:17:23):
man who had a UFO siding driving in the desert
with some friends, but then became aware of how seriously
the government took this subject and began to see the
documents and did something incredibly courageous, incredibly risky, and in

(01:17:47):
the long run, incredibly self destructive. He decided he was
going to focus his life and work on getting legitimacy
for the world of uf studies and the potential of
actual UFOs being seen for what some of them are,
which is craft of advanced design, et cetera. And between

(01:18:15):
the uptight scientific community, a number of people in government
who were very uncomfortable with the subject, and even you know,
in his circle of friends, he was crushed. He really was.
He was broken almost say by the media, by Philip Klass,

(01:18:42):
by those people who did not in any way want
to see the subject taken seriously. He ended up taking
his own life and he is an extreme example, though,
of folks in the scientific community the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties,

(01:19:02):
nineties who would have liked to be able to publicly
follow this subject as a good number of people in
the scientific and research communities, now often associated with important
labs or educational institutions, are doing just that and without

(01:19:24):
any fear of ridicule. Many of us agree that the
climate turned around or began to turn, like turning a
huge ship in December of twenty seventeen, when a pair
of very well written, very serious and very provocative articles

(01:19:44):
about the TIC TAC case and the attempts within Congress
quietly years earlier to set up a working study group.
The journalists involved, Ralph Blumenthal, Leslie Kane, and Helene Cooper,
all of them very distinguished reporters, did something remarkable in

(01:20:08):
helping to turn that huge piece of information around at
that point. And that ridicule has never been the same.
It's still there here and there, and sometimes virulently, other
times not so much, but it all began to change

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in December of twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
You think congressional hearing is today represent genuine discloser are
controlled narrative management.

Speaker 6 (01:20:39):
Well, I think both you can't put the toothpaste back
in the tube, as they say, and the information that's
out and being studied over the years that has brought
more and more folks to respect the subject not be

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afraid to speak out loud about the degree to which
they take it seriously. Have changed the climate, I would say,
as somebody that speaks at conferences fairly regularly and has
a more informal hand on the wrist of the pulse

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of how this thing is progressing. Every year, more and
more people care less and less what you and I
think about what they think about the subject of UFOs
and related matters. And that's important and worth noting because
ten years ago, those same people, let's say a married couple,

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both them interested in the subject either intellectually or experientially
or both, that they would not speak to friends and
relatives or workmates about this if they didn't already know
that they had an interest in it. It was a
subject that was not for general consumption, even within the

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people closest to you, because of fear of ridicule. And
now again you can ridicule or make fun of anything
you want, and there are some extreme theories as far
as what we're dealing with here, and of course we're
dealing with a number of things at the same time.

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But yeah, the end of the long answer to your
short question, the ridicule factor has been really really taken
some serious blows since things change.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
We're at the bottom of the hour, and I know
you need to go and take care of other things,
but would you give everyone an idea where they can
get your copy of your book left at east Gate
and any other articles that you'd like them to look for.

Speaker 6 (01:22:59):
Well, your introduction was a little dated in that about
eight years ago, my co author on that book was
exposed to be a wannabe. He was on base. He
was he may have had UFO sidings experiences in the past,
but he injected himself into that story. The book has

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been out of print as a result of that since then,
and you can find it in use bookstores sometimes or online.
You can find me. I keep my social media presence
fairly small at this point. On Facebook, I'm glad to

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be a friend, and my email address is my first
initial and last name, Pete robbinsanyatt yahoo dot com if
you want to write to me, and I will be
appearing at a number of conferences we move into the
year and hope see some of you at some of them.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Sir.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
It's been an honor having you on and you've been
most informative and hopefully in the future, if you don't mind,
I had more questions to ask. Maybe you could come
back and we can go over those. We can, all righty, sir,
Thank you, and I will let you get on with
your evening and you have a great weekend.

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
Thank you, Carled you as well.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
The Night's journey has taken us deep into one of
the most mysterious and emotionally powerful corners of UFO research.
Whether you believe these encounters are extraterrestrial, interdimensional, psychological, spiritual,
or something we haven't yet found the language to describe,
the experience is shared by thousands of people across the

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world continue to challenge our understanding of reality itself. A
huge thank you tonight to Peter Robbins for sharing his memories,
insights and experiences surrounding the work of the late Bud
Hopkins and the enduring mystery of alien abductions. Next week
on Midnight Frequency Radio, we welcome filmmaker, author and Consciousness

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researcher Richard Martini to discuss the mysteries of the afterlife
and consciousness. We'll explore near death experiences, communications beyond death,
the possibility of survival after physical life, and whether consciousness
itself may exist beyond the limits of the human brain.

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For the late Art Bell, Joshua Stark, Josh cheers, Lady Rosemary.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
I'm Carl Richardson.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Until next time, keep questioning, keep searching, and continue to
explore the unknown.

Speaker 6 (01:26:01):
Bo