Preston Dennett Saturday October 25th 2025

Topic: UFO/UAP/Aliens

Preston Dennett began investigating UFOs and the paranormal in 1986 when he discovered that his family, friends and co-workers were having dramatic unexplained encounters. Since then, he has interviewed hundreds of witnesses and investigated a wide variety of paranormal phenomena. He is a field investigator for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), a ghost hunter, a paranormal researcher, and the author of thirteen books and more than 100 articles on on UFOs and the paranormal.His articles have appeared in numerous magazines including Fate, Atlantis Rising, MUFON UFO Journal, Nexus, Paranormal Magazine, UFO magazine, Mysteries Magazine, Ufologist and others. His writing has been translated into several different languages, and he’s appeared on numerous radio and television programs. Additionally, Dennett has taught classes on various paranormal subjects, and lectures across the United States. Website: https://prestondennett.weebly.com/

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Tees a crown.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
From the O's art Foothills of Northeast Arkansas. I'm Carl
Richardson and this is Midnight Frequency Radio. Our guest this
evening is Preston Dinnet. Mister Dinnett began investigating UFOs and
a paranormal in nineteen eighty six when he discovered that
his family, friends, and co workers were having dramatic, unexplained encounters.
Since then, he has interviewed hundreds of witnesses and investigated

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a wide variety of paranormal phenomenon. He is a field
investigator for the Mutual UFO Network, better known as Mouffon.
He's also a ghost hunter, a paranormal researcher, and the
author of thirteen books and more than one hundred articles
on UFOs and the paranormal. His articles have appeared in
numerous magazine including Fate at Danis, Rising, Mofon, UFO Journal, Nexus,

(01:23):
Paranormal Magazine, UFO Magazine, Mysteries Magazine, Ufoologist, and others. His
writing has been translated into several different languages, and he's
appeared on numerous radio and television programs. Additionally, mister Dinnitt
has taught classes on various paranormal subjects and lectured across

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the United States. Good evening, mister Dinnitt, Welcome to Midnight
Frequency Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
AH, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I know you got interested in the paranormal by the
experiences your friends and family were having, but was there
anything else that pushed you in the paranormal direction.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Not really.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
I was actually really skeptical of all this stuff. I
did have a few experiences as a kid. Once, when
I was nine years old, I knew all the answers
to a game show, but I didn't really know how
to categorize it and just thought it was something funny
and odd. And I will say I didn't have another experience.
After my mom passed away. I saw her spirit about

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two weeks during the service for her, and again I
kind of just explained it away. I assumed I was
hallucinating from grief, but no, I just did not think
there was anything to the subject of UFOs certainly, or
the paranormal, or life after death or any of it

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until I found out, Yeah, that a lot of people
I knew were having all kinds of encounters.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Over your decades of investigation. Is there any one case
that always stands out the most.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Oh gosh, you know, I've talked to so many people.
It's hard to pick just one. But I'd say one
that really intrigues me is a gentleman who is a
Navy medic and he had an encounter with Pregnantis type ets.
I found that case particularly compelling because it was so unusual,

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and he's a great witness, and he was in the Navy,
he's a trained observer. I interviewed him face to face
several times. I heard him tell his story to others.
He never changed it. It's just this really amazing encounter
where he was brought on board this craft and basically
had a long telepathic conversation with these fifteen foot tall

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preying Mintis type ets.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Oh boy, did they seem to have a good personality
or were they some what evil? Did he reflect that?

Speaker 4 (04:04):
No, I wouldn't say that. He was very scared, absolutely
scared the pants off of him. He was actually taken
from the Navy ship that he was on, so it
was quite unexpected. But no, they didn't They weren't hostile.
He never was physically examined or anything like that. They

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answered all his questions. They told him that they could
speak all the languages on our planet. He asked about
Roswell actually, and they confirmed that that did happen, the
Roswell UFO crash. They told him that since we had
started exploding nuclear weapons, that this started what they called
a countdown clock, and they began to show him a

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series of images of future disasters on our planet, hurricanes, landslides, tornadoes,
these kinds of things, and they eventually did start coming true.
So it was difficult for him to process. I'll put
it that way. It really had a huge impact on

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his life. But no, he never said it was a
hostile experience.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Okay, I was thanking of the reptilians. They seem to
have the worst reputation amongst the aliens.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah. Yeah, I've only gotten a few reptilian cases, honestly,
so it's hard for me to talk to the reptilians.
I don't know why I haven't gotten many. I'd say
over fifty percent of the cases I get involved grays
or some variation of the grays. Probably closer to seventy percent.
But kring Mantis turns up human looking little blue beans,

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tall whites, all kinds of humanoids.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, is there any way that you used to distinguish
between the credible UFO reports and hoaxes or missed I identifications.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Well as I gained marks experience interviewing, and I think
I got better at it. Yeah, I have techniques that
I used, Like I think most investigators will initially do
just a simple preliminary interview, not recorded, where I'm just
taking notes. I'm kind of gauging whether or not this

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story is valid, and I can tell pretty quickly because witnesses,
when they're telling a genuine story, are very reluctant to
speak about the details. They're very nurse about being disbelieved
or ridiculed. Almost always, particularly if it's an extensive encounter.

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By that I mean about humanoids or being taken on board,
they will give a caveat of some kind saying something like,
you know, I've got a good job, I don't have
any history of mental illness in my family to college.
You know, I don't do drugs, something along those lines.

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So you can all of sort of stuff because they're
very emotional and something I've had people basically break down
in tears as they're telling their story. And then, of course,
you know, I do ask for corroborating witnesses. I do
you know, another interview looking for inconsistencies. My facts check

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to the extent that I can, and there are little
details what I would call red flags, kind of which
are perhaps not super well known in the UFO community,
certainly not when I started, and there was almost no
publicity on this subject in terms of in the media,
and I could use that to gauge, you know, this

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person's for real. And I'll just give you a couple
of examples which are now fairly well known. But people
always describe indirect lighting on board craft. They don't see
you lightbulbs, so to speak. Yeah, I'm off from the room.
They're described and being rounded with no scenes. And there's
a lot of details, more than you might think of

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this kind, some of which are quite rare, but you
can absolutely use them to determine if a person is
telling the truth or not.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, I think the last time you were on mister
Bell's show, you were discussing the cube UFO with him.
Is there any more news about that or any other
evidence that's come forward with it?

Speaker 3 (08:31):
I'm sorry, the what UFO?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
The cube?

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Oh? Oh no?

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Remember that?

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Uh, you know, I don't get far any I've never
gotten personally a case like that. I hear some every
now and then, and I wonder about them, because I
would say, there's really only four or five shapes that
I hear very consistently, which would be your typical saucer shape,

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and that's very common, but just as often be like
a sort of a manta ray or a half kind
of boomerang shape.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah, are V shaped, egg shaped, cigar shaped, spherical those
turn up fairly regularly. Gods, I've ever gotten a cube shape, though.
Every now and then I hear one come across, and
I paid special attention to it.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, I've seen a photo from that. It would come
in through the clouds. It was the first thing I
thought I was the Borg from Star Trek.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Right, I can say with pretty good confidence we don't
have any boards lying around there.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, we know that because they they want to assimilate us.
But at this point, I think the it's shown that
governments have been familiar with UFOs and uf aps for
a while. And what do you think of the congressional
here that have been taking place.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
I'm kind of'm on the fence about them. There's some
good things and some things that really get under my skin.
I'm really excited to see that our government and government
officials are discussing this subject seriously, because that's never happened.
All the time I've been involved in UFO research, there's

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never been any congressional hearing. If you go back through history,
there's been only two, i think, and nobody talks about
this in any official capacity. But that all changed around
twenty sixteen or so, twenty seventeen, and it was very
exciting and really unprecedented.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
But they have they invited you to testify before.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Them or no, not yet.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I know they have built George Knapp on and I
was watching that interview.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Yeah, I've spoken with George Knapp and I'm pretty connected
to a lot of them major researchers out there, And yeah,
it's good news to see this subject being discussed. But
at the same time, it's still kind of a dog
and pony show where it's a lot of talk, no
real action, and the cover up is clearly firmly in place.

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For example, during the first congressional hearing, we had the
heads of the Defense Department, Moultrie and Daily were being
questioned by Congress and they asked them flat out about
the monsterm incident, which is super famous nineteen sixty seven Montana,
where UFOs came down and basically shut off our intercontinental

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nuclear missiles, and the heads of the Defense Department said
that they had no knowledge, no reporting on this incident whatsoever.
I didn't find that the least bit credible. They were
also asked, have we ever shot at UFOs in a
very quickly said no, which is demonstrably untrue.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
I pointed the.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Battle of la as a very famous and well verified incident,
and we've just had more of that ever since. It's
just kind of just one step forward and two steps back.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah. Well, I noticed every other question when hearing people
were interviewing him, they'd say, well, I can't discuss that,
or I can't disclose that, And I'm thinking, what's the
use in these hearings, you know, right?

Speaker 4 (12:33):
But it is interesting. I think the best thing that's
coming out of this is it's bringing a lot of
attention to this subject. A lot of people are taking
more seriously. I think that there's getting to be more
and more pressure from all sides to basically end this
cover up. And you know, members of Congress said flat

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out yes, there is a cover up, So that's a
step forward for sure.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Oh yeah, I keep hoping for complete disclosure. But I've
had other guests on saying they really wouldn't like that,
and some say that you will know to see it.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
So yeah, I'm kind of with the ladder there. I
don't expect they'll ever be voluntarily I should say, truthful
and transparent. Yeah, if it should be of use to them,
perhaps they will, But now I'm not seeing it. Their
history on the subject is heinous. They've lied from the beginning.

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We know they're still lying, So I don't Here's how
I kind of look at it. If and until our governments,
the intelligence agencies, the military industrial complex is willing to
admit that Roswell happened, or the Capital flyover of nineteen
fifty two, or any of a number of high profile

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incidents we have heard of, the Eisenhower meeting at Edward's
Air Force Base in nineteen fifty four. The reporting on that,
it's pretty good, it's very compelling. Until they could admit
to you know, some of these well known, well verified incidents,
I don't see any reason to believe in or even
pair what they have to say.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Ill the Majestic twelve document. I know that's floating around
out there step legitimate. Do you think her.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
The documents themselves? Probably not, But I think it's a
very clever disinformation ploy and this is exactly how they
do it, and it's so effective. They'll take something that's
essentially true and it's basics and make a complete fake
out of it. So I think what the MJ twelve

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documents are saying is one hundred percent true, that there
is a study group, and people who have looked into
this and done a lot of research into the people
named have pretty much proven that, yes, these folks were involved.
It's kind of like the alien autopsy footage. Do you
remember when that came out?

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Oh, yes, I've seen it.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, it's I think pretty been much widely debunked. But
it's frustrating because we know that happened. That absolutely happened, yeah,
more than once. So it's a very effective way to
sort of get people's at tension and take a true
event and make it look like total hoax.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
I think that's what we're looking at with the MJ
twelve papers prove, but not the way it came out.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
They're good at that aren't they very good?

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Such a shame.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
You've written quite a bit about UFO abductions. Do you
think there's a pattern or commonality between the experiencers?

Speaker 4 (15:51):
I do, yeah, And I'll just start off by saying
that I've stopped using that word abductions because it started
to offend a lot of the people we're having these
experience who felt that they chose this or that it
was voluntary or benevolent. Okay, so I just called them
onboard experiences. Now, as that's a neutral term, whether you're experiential,

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is negative or positive, that still accurately describes it. But yeah,
there's absolute commonalities, and there's been quite a bit of
research into this to the point where I think we
as researchers can absolutely predict eighty to ninety percent of
what a person will say. There are, of course, unique details,

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probably in most everyone's experience, but the commonalities are striking
and very consistent. It follows a very set pattern, which
was actually outlined by Thomas Bullard years ago. He did
a comprehensive survey of some three hundred cases and found
that it follows this basic sequence of events, which usually

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starts with someone being physically examined. Then often they're given
a tour of the craft, and I hear this all
the time. People are taken down to the engine room
or what we would call the engine room, and they're
called how these craft are powered, which is almost always
basically along the lines of harnessing our gravitational magnetic field

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lines or using anti gravity or quote free energy, this
kind of thing. I think it depends on a person's
level of education and understanding how accurately they can relay
this information. But yeah, physically examined, this is often when
people are healed. Healings are very much a common feature

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and I think probably one of the main reasons people
are being physically examined.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
It amounts to a check up.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
But they also give people messages and this is very consistent.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
I need one of those checked ups myself.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, you and me and of other folks.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
So a lot of the onboard encounters, i'll call it.
Are they similar to the ones that Whitney Streamer had.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Some extent, Yeah, I think he's had a lot of
difficulty processing has and he admits that it's been very,
very scary for him, and I think that's more the
rules in the exception especially initially, people will describe how
scary it, which I totally understand being laid out and
examined by people that don't.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Look quite like us.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Yeah, but for most people, And I see this pattern
over and over again, because I've talked to hundreds of people.
At some point they get over the fear of this
and they start to realize, well, they healed me. You know,
they've enhanced my psychic abilities. I've been given information about
my personal life. And they almost always tell people. They

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give them warnings about the dangers of nuclear proliferation, more
an aggression, reading, corruption, the destruction of the environment, this
sort of thing, pollution. They will almost always tell people,
you know, we're not that different, we have a common ancestry.
I am you, you are us is a common phrase.

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So I think if you take an objective look at
what's actually going on, I mean, they'll take you up
to the control room, sit you down in the pilot seat.
One of my favorite cases that I've ever investigated is
a lady by the name of Dolly Saffron. She's a
great witness, a registered nurse, Department of Defense employee, an

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outstanding sterling resume, and that's what they did with her.
They took her up into the control room and I
sat her down in the pilot seat and let her
fly the craft. I've heard this a number of times,
and they actually taught her how to do it. I
ended up writing a whole book on just her case.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Oh that's very cool.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah, I'd love to do that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Have you had a particular case where you've had multiple
witnesses see the same UFO event and pretty much given
the same detail in their descriptions.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, a number of times.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
I would say the most impressive example of that would
probably be a pretty early case. I'd been in this
field for about seven years. Let me see, Yeah, I
would say I got on in this field nineteen eighty six.
So it was nineteen ninety two to nineteen ninety four
that there was a wave of sightings over what turned

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out to be my hometown to Penga Canyon, southern California,
right outside of La which is a fairly small community
at that time, about eight thousand residents. And on June fourteenth,
nineteen ninety two, the police received a bunch of calls,
so did the local newspaper. People were reporting all kinds

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of craft in the sky, and I had written previous
articles for the local newspapers, so they called me up
and asked me to investigate and gave me the numbers
of those who had called them. I contacted the police,
gave them my number, and I ended up finding about
thirty separate, independent groups of witnesses throughout the canyon on

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that one night who described seeing essentially the same things.
Some saw more than others because they were in a
position to really get a good view of it.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
But that was a.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Very intense wave of UFO activity that went on for
a couple of years, involved really the entire range of
UFO activity. So we had cars being chased on the street,
landings next to people's homes, multiple sightings with you know,
lots of people describing things even though they did not

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know each other, they were describing it in the same
way in the same area. So that was a really
rewarding case, and I think, you know, I'm still getting
feedback from people in that area who either heard about
it or saw stuff themselves.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, did you have any investigation responsibilities with the Phoenix lights.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
I did not. I was certainly right there.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
I mean I wasn't when it happened, but I was
aware of it shortly after it happened. It made international
news and I've interviewed a number of witnesses who had
sightings on that night. It was an amazing incident, one
of the most widely viewed in modern times. Pert Russell,

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he was a pilot, you know, an actor.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
He saw them.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Took him a couple of years to come forward, but pilots,
all them police officers. I mean it stopped people in
the street. There were people at baseball games looking up
and seeing these things. There was at least two of
these craft. It's a pretty controversial case in a number
of ways. Luke Air Force Base was there and issued

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all kinds of denials, but we now know from insiders
that they were perfectly aware of what was going on.
The police said that they weren't receiving calls. We know
now of course that they were. Well, there was a
lot going on with that.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
I think mister Bell was live during that event and
he was astonished that there was so few media outlets
picking it up.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, it's funny because Moms or what was a.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
David's month and Air Force Base is in that area
and they dropped flairs that night, I think in an
effort to sort of confuse the issue, but a bunch
of people were able to film those flares, and this
brought a lot of media attention because those that footage
got in the news. This really had a snowball effect

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which brought a lot of publicity to this incident and
kind of think had the reverse effect that our Air
Force folks were open for, because it just brought out
witnesses by the thousands.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah. I think one of the what was it, one
of the mayors of governor's had a press conference and
had a guy addressed in an alien outfit walked up
making fun of it. I don't know if you remember
that or not.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
You sure do, yeah, Fife Simington. Yeah, which is ironic,
because first of all, that's incredibly insulting. The witnesses were
not happy about this. He later said he was just
trying to make light of the subject. I don't know
if I buy that. But to his credit, after leaving

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office he became a pastry chef.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
And that job change.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
But did you know admit that not only did he
believe it happened, he saw it himself. Yeah, So I
wonder if perhaps he was threatened. I know the Senator
of the state, Senator Kine, did try to do investigations
on this, but was really stonewalled. No levels of government

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were really speaking about it at all. A city council
woman by the name of Francis Barwood was really the
one who took the bull by the horns and started
asking questions, and ultimately it resulted in her losing that
position in you know, local government.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, that's sad.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah, it's a real shame.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
A lot of people that have been on board craft
and stuff have had a missing time phenomenon. What's your
opinion on that or the causes of it.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Yeah, that is an absolute issue when it comes to
very close encounters, and frankly can happen with simple sightings
as well. There might be a group of people and
some people will remember it and others won't. And absolutely,
I think it's a common feature of onboard experiences. And

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initially I kind of blamed the ETS for sort of
erasing people's memories. I've kind of come around to another explanation.
I think we ourselves, the witnesses, bear responsibility here because
from what you know in my research, eats say over
and over again, you will remember this when it's right,

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or it will come back to you. And people are
given the choice basically, and often they just don't remember it.
I think because it's completely out of their worldview for
one thing. Another it's because it can be quite traumatic
for people, and we know that trauma is very difficult

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for people to remember. There's a case after a case
of people having perhaps been rear ended by a car
and they don't recall it, or this is super prominent
in child abuse or war trauma. There's a lot of
memory problems that people have when it comes to remembering

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things that are a little traumatic or out of their
belief system. And also I think one of the issues,
honestly is when people are taken on board, they're pulled
up this sort of energy being it's very electric and
it's i think to some extent interdimensional, So it's remembering

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this and when you're put back in your car or
your bedroom, it's somewhat like waking up from a dream
almost and it can slip away very easily. But most
people who've had an onboarding encounter, I think, remember bits
and pieces of it. At least they will have flashbacks
or dream memories or something along those lines, but it's

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pretty darn where I get what I would call a
fully conscious contactee. Dolly Saffron is one. There's another guy
from Utah interviewed Don Anderson. He remembered everything. Another guy
in England. He doesn't want his name used, but I
call him Gary. He remembered all his encounters with full
clarity and consciousness. So I think it depends on the

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individual as well.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
One of my listeners just asking chat what about the
meat alacens like with cows and other farm animals.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Right, Yeah, this is an interesting aspect to all of this,
which I'm not sure should be lumped in with the
UFO field because I did my research into this, not
really so much firsthand, but I wrote a book UFOs
over Colorado and another UFOs over New Mexico. Now, those

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two states are the hardest hit in terms of cattle mutilations.
They've had more cases than any other state in the
United States. This is a worldwide thing. But I can
tell you that Gabe Valdez, Larry Fawcett, Christopher O'Brien, and
other major researchers ultimately decided that it was probably not

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ET's doing this and that it was our own governments
who bear responsibility and probably using reverse engineered ET technology
to sort of push a fear narrative and paint the
ETS as dangerous and responsible for these events. I asked

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Dolly Saffron, she's kind of my go to guy when
it comes to these kinds of things. She was told
flat out that no, it's not the ET's doing it. So,
I know this is a controversial area and some researchers
don't agree with me, but that's my take on it.
And I trust Gabe Valdez because he's deceased now, but

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he really was the go to guy for these cases
and he ultimately blamed the government.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah. I kind of follow that pattern myself. I think
it's more government than extraterrestrials.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
I think that the media has a tendency to not
only I think they're complicit honestly in the cover up.
I mean we know this. They do not cover major
UFO stories unless it's almost undeniable, something like the Phoenix Lights.

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For example, there was a gentleman by the name of
what was it, Leland Hanson. I think I know his
last name is Hanson. A book called The Missing Times
that's crucial reading for anyone interested in this subject because
he proved that there is a media cover up. And
often the way this subject is portrayed is very lurid

(31:14):
and fear based. I kind of get it. The media
likes a good scary story, fear cells, but it's not objective.
The media is not objective with this subject. Yeah, and
having having been on TV a good you know twenty times,
it's rare that my you know testimony, my you know,

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what I'm putting forth, the information is portrayed exactly like
I'm putting it out. They will spin the story a
little bit. I mean, I know researchers who will not
do TV because they were their words were basically absolutely
misinterpreted intentionally they believe.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, well that's par for the core, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
That was once doing the news.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
The news came out to, you know, interview me about
a UFO landing case, and there were gopher holes in
this field where this CUFO had hovered, didn't quite actually land,
It was maybe two feet above the ground. And they
asked me, how are those the landing traces? And I said, no, no,
those are gopher holes. Well, they said, would you mind

(32:27):
you know, pointing to them and saying they are landing traces.
I said, yes, I mind, I'm not doing that. And
then they said, well, just stick your hand in the hole.
Would you mind doing that? I knew better. I've learned
my lesson already. I'm like, no, I'm not doing that either.
I knew what they were up to. So you have

(32:48):
to be pretty careful. Some of the things on TV
are being a little bit slanted in a direction that
might not be completely accurate.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
It's a thirty eight after the hour. I'm gonna go
ahead with my first break and then we'll come back
and continue on right after that. It's about five minutes
if you need to step away, all right, too many buckle,

(33:33):
lots of bottom, then the river, too many long size
of rivid. I have to see.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
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(34:15):
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halo and trailing dust tail that would be absent on
an artificial object. Its motion also fits. Rather than maneuvering

(34:39):
or accelerating under its own power, three Eye Slash Atlas
follows a simple gravitational trajectory, no coarse corrections, no hint
of thrust. If it were an engineered probe, we'd expect
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(35:00):
neither of which are seen. Spectroscopic studies further reveal molecules
known from Solar System comets, indicating volatile chemistry consistent with
natural origins. While there are minor deviations reflecting the different
environment in its parent star system, they don't demand exotic explanations.

(35:24):
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Speaker 2 (38:11):
Hi, Welcome back to Midnight Frequency Radio. And I guess
Presston didn't. They're in a news break there. Dark Matter
news was disgusting. The three Indian Atlas comment. Do you
feel that it's a comment or do you feel there's
something else to it?

Speaker 3 (38:26):
I feel like it's a comment.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
I liked what they had to say, and I'll tell
you why I feel this way, because it doesn't show
any of the patterns that we see with genuine UFO activity.
From when i've you know, I comm at this from
a contact tea angle. I've interviewed a lot of people
who've had onboard experiences. From what I understand, ET's are

(38:50):
able to travel interstellar distances, but they do it fairly quickly.
It doesn't take them months or anything like this. They
basically travel interdimensionally. So for people to call this, you know,
commet or you know, perhaps a fragment of a planet
or something along these lines, an interstellar craft, I think

(39:13):
it's disingenuous and highly speculative because it's certainly I think,
maybe unusual.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
But there's no reason.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
To call this an ET craft. There's really no evidence
of this, so I don't think that's objective science at all.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, I've seen a lot of far fetched stuff on
Facebook that people are reporting, and I just shake my
head at it.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Yeah, it's unfortunate. You know, the disinformation and confusion surrounding
this is out of control. So I don't buy for
one second that this is an ET craft.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah. One of my listeners TM asked, do you lean
toward interstellar or interdimensional travel? Are these crafts coming from
other solar systems?

Speaker 4 (40:07):
I don't think one precludes the other. I think we
are probably dealing with ets people like us from other planets.
I think that explanation really accounts for the vast majority
of information and evidence and eyewitness testimony, and it's certainly
the most popular explanation among the researchers who focus on

(40:31):
cases of direct contact, and I point to David Jacobs
and John Mack and Bud Hopkins and Barbara Lamb Nyvonne
Smith and Denise Stoner, Kathleen Martin already six Killer Clark,
and other researchers along these lines, and I can tell
you that the vast majority of people who've had face

(40:52):
to face contact and on board experiences also peel this way.
But it's pretty clear to me that these ets are
incredible advanced. I think that's one thing pretty much all
researchers have a consensus on. These guys are advanced, whoever
they are and wherever they come from. And I think
they probably have an understanding of other dimensions that far

(41:14):
exceeds our own, and definitely are able to travel interdimensionally,
And like all entities have interdimensional aspects, we ourselves have
a soul. We come from the higher planes, we incarnate
here for a brief time and go back to the
astral planes for lack of another word. On the other side,

(41:37):
I think the evidence for that is very compelling, whether
it's near death experiences, astral projection, medium ship ghost sightings,
it's pretty clear that humans have an interdimensional aspect and
our interdimensional beings. I think ets are as well. So
I'm not sure how useful it is to sort of

(42:00):
they give them that label. I think it's accurate, but
I honestly do think we're dealing with physical beings simply
because we have cases of UFO crash retrievals. For example,
we have cases of reverse engineering of ET technology. Where
are people when they're taken on board, They're not in

(42:22):
their rooms. They come back healed, they come back with
perhaps implants in their body, many of which have been
removed and studied and shown to.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Have unusual properties.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
I mean, there's every reason to believe this is an
entirely physical experience. O.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Well, your course of exploring the paranormal and UFO situations,
have we run across any military or government insiders who
had any information or shared any information with you related
to UFOs.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
Occasionally, Yeah, this does happen. Some are very reluctant. I've
had some people tell me things that I have not
been given the permission to share. But one guy I
did interview really wanted to do his part or disclosure
and was an insider. He was a citizen, but he

(43:13):
was a military contractor who worked for Edward's Air Force Bace.
And when he told me this, my ear is certainly
perked up, because if you study that location, Edward's Air
Force Base in southern California, it's UFO Central. They've had
sightings there way back in the nineteen forties up to

(43:33):
pretty much the present day. Not just sightings, but landings
and all kinds of activity. And he told me a
very interesting story. He said he was hired by someone
there at Edwards Air Force Base to do a construction job,
and they were walking across the tarmac, passing by a

(43:54):
warehouse and had a large open window, and he heard
this sort of low buzzing hung So he turns his
head and looks, and there was a UFO classic silver disk,
no markings on it, floating in the air. He saw
it clearly, and he said it was about the size

(44:14):
of a sports car, shiny silver. He turns to his
employer and says, what the heck is that. His employer
turned white as a sheet and very quickly put his
finger to his lips and told him to be quiet.
We weren't supposed to see this. Don't say anything. And

(44:35):
that's where it remained for years. A couple of years
later he finished the job. A couple of years later,
that same employer called him back, said it's an emergency.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
I need you on this job. When can you come.
The guy I interviewed, who by the way, was on.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
His deathbed in a hospital and would die about a
month later, refused. He said, no, I'm not going to
work for you, not unless you tell me. Tell me
what we saw that day, those you know, those years ago,
And they ended up getting into this sort of not
an argument, but a discussion, a heated discussion, and finally

(45:12):
the guy agreed and said, all right, I'll tell you,
but you cannot tell anybody. This could get me in
a lot of trouble. And he didn't tell anybody until,
of course, he was on his deathbed. But his employer
told him that what they saw was not an alien spacecraft,
an ET craft. What was in fact reverse engineered from

(45:35):
ET technology and used a system of kind of counter
rotating magnets to create a magnetic field on the outside
of the craft that would propel it in the desired direction.
And that's all he would say about it. But you know,
that was one case and there's been a few other
really interesting ones.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
I was listening to another paranormal show one evening and
there was someone similar to that. He was a dentist
contracted in to the government or a doctor, I can't
remember exactly, but he was taken to a room and
showed something similar and he was like, why would you
show me this?

Speaker 3 (46:15):
You know? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
One of the most interesting stories I heard is a
gentleman who's the electricians mate on the USS Klamagore. That's
a submarine, which this was in nineteen seventy one. This
submarine actually carried nuclear torpedoes. This was not public information

(46:38):
at that time. But the gentleman I interviewed, Ray Sachs
was his name. He really he was elderly and wanted
to come forward with his story. He said he was
on the Klamagor on the East coast on the service
of the Ocean, several miles offshore, heading north at about

(47:00):
twelve fifteen knots. He was a lookout along with another
petty officer. The commander was also on deck, as was
the second in command, and this is when a USO,
an unidentified submersible object, showed up and began to pace
this submarine, you know, very close to it, a few

(47:21):
right off, you know, the starboard side, so not like
a quarter mile away or anything like this, which would
be considered a near miss if it was another ship
or submarine. Yeah, this was right next to the sub
and totally silent, forty feet in diameter, was right under
the water there. They couldn't see any metallic object or

(47:44):
anything like this.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
It was just a.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
Big bright white light, but very visible. And the first
thing the commander did is talk to the sonar folks
while he ordered race as.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
To him, because that was his job.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
He was in touch with the sona room and asked
if they were painting anything on sonar.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
They were not. They could not.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
See this thing, but it was clearly there because it
paced them.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
For fifteen minutes.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
And it's really interesting because one by one the higher
ranking officers all came up on deck and took a
quick look see at this thing. They wanted to see it,
and went down below deck, and finally this thing darts off.
It came in at like one hundred knots, far faster
than anything we have certainly officially, and then darted off

(48:34):
in another direction at about eighty knots, and the commander
turns to the second in command and the second I'm sorry.
The second in command turns to the commander and says, sir,
how would you like me to record this in the log.
This is according to Ray Sacks, the guy interviewed and
the commander said something along the lines of officers who report

(48:55):
this kind of incident in the ship's log do not
move up in rank. Yeah, was not recorded, And having
talked to a few other sub mariners, this is not uncommon.
They see a lot of stuff and it almost never
gets recorded. So that was to me a really interesting

(49:15):
incident because it showed, once again there are a lot
of usos out there, but that we're not being told
the truth and that our military is covering this up.
We're only hearing maybe one percent of what's coming out
from the military.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
One of our listeners another one panel, asked, has you
have you heard of Gary Schwartz who did experiments with mediums.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
With experiments with what was that experience?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Experiments with mediums?

Speaker 4 (49:47):
I am not sure I've the names. No, I'm thinking
of Terrence Sword. No, I'm not sure that I know
of this. I've certainly studied mediumship in depth. I think
it's a valid phenomena. I've talked to mediums. I know
some mediums, so I think it's absolutely real. But I
can't say I'm familiar with this guy in particular.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Now, Yeah, his name was Gary Schwartz. I've not heard
of it myself. Are there any cases that suggest a
direct connection between UFOs and ancient civilizations?

Speaker 4 (50:19):
I think to some extent. From a contact tee perspective,
I can absolutely tell you one hundred percent that contacts
haven't been told that. Yes, there have been previous iterations
on this planet. Dolly Saffron, I've mentioned her a few times,
was told that directly without a number of contactors say
that at some point we humanity lived on Mars. I

(50:42):
find that pretty interesting because that comes up several times.
But I will say from a researcher perspective, we've got
pretty good evidence that we've got cave paintings, we have
ancient stone carvings, the pyramids. That mystery still hasn't been solved,
And if you look into it, for example, the Great

(51:04):
Pyramid of Giza, look this up. Is it's inclination and declination,
the latitude and longitude is actually the speed of light.
That is incredible when you think about it, because it
points to then having knowledge that we didn't think they
had at that time.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Yeah, I didn't know. I wasn't aware of that. I
appreciate you bringing it out.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Yeah, someone told me that.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
I'm like, yeah, I don't believe that, but no, it's
it's true. And if you look into the writings of
ancient India, the Vimanas, apparently yeah, we at some point
there were ancient civilizations on this planet flying stuff around.
But ancient Egypt has hieroglyphs that really point towards an

(51:48):
era where there was open official contact. And we know
the UFOs go back to Roman and Greek times because
the Romans basically called them flying shields. We've got good
ancient writings pointing towards this, so we know that basically
they go back to prehistory and probably before that.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
So I think probably.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
There were civilizations like Atlantis, though that's largely apocryphal and
based on Plato's writings, so I'm not sure how much
credence we can put in that in particular, but in
its basics, yeah, I think it is true. I spoke
with Michael Kremo. He is the author of Forbidden Archaeology

(52:31):
and he laid it up black and white. What an
amazing guy he is.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I had him on some months back, and he's full
of information.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Oh yeah, people, should you know?

Speaker 4 (52:42):
I read his book when I was in college, and
I basically almost realized I was wasting my money taking
these anthropology courses because I learned more from his book
than I did from you know, four years of you
know this. So I was very science based when I
was going. I was all about science, which turned out

(53:02):
to be a good thing because it's helped me in
my UFO studies. I have a pretty good background in
astronomy and science and philosophy and biology and meteorology and
all these things. But yeah, I absolutely think there were
ancient civilizations that were advanced as we would think of it.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
How many of these sightings do you think are man
made craft that were taken from back engineered alien technology currently?

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Probably all of them.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
And you know, I'm not even being facetious. You know,
there has been an enormous amount of UFO activity, particularly
from the modern age of UFOs the mid nineteen forties
upwards to the early twenty twenties. But so there's some
very interesting information coming out right now from contactees and

(53:55):
from mainstream science really that are magnetic fields are faltering
and become unstable, and we've actually declined to know anywhere
from thirty to forty percent, which makes it very difficult
for ET craft to fly again. I'm coming from a
contact EA angle here because I've got a number of

(54:17):
contact these who are telling me basically that the ets
have departed. They're not flying around right now, it's too dangerous,
which is from about twenty twenty two onwards, and certainly
matches the reports I get from other people, because I
would pretty regularly get cases of people being taken on board.

(54:39):
Haven't had any for a couple of years now, so
that certainly fits in. I think almost everything people are
saying right now is reverse engineered. If you haven't had
the opportunity to speak with Michael Schrat, I could not
recommend any more that you you have a chat with him,

(55:02):
because he's really the excert in this reverse engineering and
this sort of thing, and he absolutely is very convincing
and compelling in his argument that most of what people
are seeing it's probably now what we think it is now.
I think throughout you know, the wies fifty sixty seventies,

(55:24):
eighties onward up through the twenty tens and part of
the twenty twenties. Absolutely d t no doubt in my mind.
I've talked to hundreds of people who have been taken
on board, and it's far far more common.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Than people realize.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
There was the quote from Jalen Heinek that one in
forty people have been on.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Board a craft. When I heard that, I'm.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Like, no, no, that's a million people, you know, millions
rather And that book really got me to ask everyone
I knew, and I found, you know, I didn't have
to ask forty people, and I found about five people
in my kind of circle of family, friends and co
workers who were what I would call contactees. And it

(56:07):
was in nineteen ninety one that the Roper Organization, a
mainstream polling organization, did a survey and they found one
in fifty people show the markers of being a contact ee.
So one fifty that's pretty close, and that's an enormous
amount of people.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Do you think the TIC TAC shape UFOs are they ours?

Speaker 4 (56:31):
I think so I'm not an expert on that, So
I really can't talk with real authority about that. Yeah,
but I think that that's probably what they are. Speaking
with Michael schrat that was his conclusion. We've talked to
some contactees who have direct lines to ET still their

(56:53):
intellipathic contact, and we're told, no, that's not us. So, yeah,
that's kind of my assessment.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
I should, yeah, set the same with the triangular What
are a tr threes or something like that?

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Oh yeah, tr three. Someone once told me no, ETS
don't fly triangular craft. I'm like, oh, wait a second,
pretty sure I have some in my files. Turned out
I did not. I don't think that the triangular craft
are ET. I think those are our own and one

(57:26):
of the first examples of reverse engineering. Certainly, people will
see V shaped craft or Manta ray or boomerang. And
what's funny is when someone sees a UFO often it
depends on their perspective, and also their beliefs play a
role in coloring their perception to some degree, and so

(57:47):
does fear. When people are in a state of fear,
they're not very good observers, so you get a wide
variety of descriptions. But I don't think the triangular craft
are ET. After having really looked into this and learning
about this from other people.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I know Art saw Art and Ramona saw I one
driving home one night from a radio station in Vegas
and it was at t R three B I believe.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Yeah, what an amazing sighting. I remember him talking about that.
Oh I missed the guy. He was such an amazing guy.
I was on his show three times.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Yeah, I miss him. I knew him more through ham
Radio and then after we married the sisters he called
quite often, but he asked to do miss it? Have
you personally seen a UFO?

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Or yeah I have. It's funny I never really saw
anything growing up. I grew up in an area that
was pretty darn active and has a history of encounters
stretching way back. But it was about five years in
my research that I had my first real unequivocal sighting,
because I can tell you I was out there at

(59:02):
night looking at the first things. I'd talked to people
who had seen stuff, and I was starting to get
really jealous because it's one thing to read about UFOs.
It's even better to talk to a witness firsthand, but
it just doesn't compare to having your own sighting. And
I finally did because I'd seen some unexplained lights. Wow,
that's kind of interesting, but it was ambiguous. I really

(59:24):
wanted something that I could point to and say, I
cannot explain this, And that happened to me one evening
in July of nineteen ninety two when I was driving home.
This was actually during that whole wave of sightings in
this area. I was in Woodland Hills, which borders to
Penga Canyon, again right right outside of LA and southern California,

(59:46):
late at night, and I saw what I thought was
a bird swooping towards my car. Instantly dismissed this because
it was glowing. Oh, maybe it's a firecracker because July
had just passed Fourth of July. But it wasn't a firecracker,
because this darn thing came swooping down and hovered in
front of my car, right over the hood of the

(01:00:09):
car actually, And it was a tiny orb about the
size of a golf ball or smaller than a tennis ball,
but was kind of wavering there and about maybe two
feet away from my face, I mean right in front
of me. Actually stopped right in front of my face

(01:00:29):
and slid back and forth in front of the windshield
two or three times and took off straight up. And
that's when I took me a while to unpack this, actually,
because I forgot about it for a little bit. It
came back to me some months later. But I'm pretty
darn sure I had missing time, because I don't remember

(01:00:52):
driving home and having had a number of previous sightings
after that, that was my first. You know, you always
record it, you write it down, you tell everyone I
should have turned around. I was five minutes from my
brother's house. I had just left his house, so almost
certain I had missing time, and that would turn out

(01:01:14):
to be the first of probably a dozen really good,
high quality sightings.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Yeah, if I saw that, I'd probably have to turn
around somewhere and go change my underpants or something.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
I've never had any fear with this stuff. Every time
I've seen anything, it's been thrilling. And in twenty twenty two,
I was actually my first fully conscious onboard experience, and
I have to tell you that was amazing. And that
was a direct result of having interviewed Dolly Saffron, because
it turned out that that was the crap she had

(01:01:47):
been taken on board, and I was interviewing her in depth,
hundreds of hours of interviews, and I got absolute, undeniable
verification that her story was real. Took me on board.
I saw a tall gray, seven feet tall. She spoke
to me telepathically. I saw other little grays, saw a hybrid,

(01:02:08):
saw the earth far down below. There were other people
on board. It was amazing and it was actually really
a wonderful experience for me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
That's wild. It's eight after I'm gonna play my last break,
and then I have a few more questions and we
can come back and close out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
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patche and some historians note that control of the Skynet
network briefly passed between British and American operators during maintenance cycles,

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leaving open a small window when the movement could have occurred.
Whatever happened, the satellite's new position puts in a crowded
section of geostationary orbit, where it's being closely tracked to
prevent collisions. Under international law, the UK still bears responsibility
for it, making Skynet one a's unexplained journey not just

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a mystery, but a potential legal and safety concern in
the increasingly congest disguise above Earth. That's it for dark
Matter News. Catch up with us on the Midnight Frequency
Facebook page form Memphis, Tennessee.

Speaker 7 (01:06:54):
I'm Joshua Stark, that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
All right, welcome back to my night Fragrance of Radio
with our guest Preston Dinnert. Mister Dinnitt, what's the most
baffling or unexplained piece of evidence you've come across in
your research?

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Oh, you know, I'm not sure anyone's asked me that before.
For a second, Uh, one thing comes to mind is uh.
I was contacted by a lady from let's see, Indiana
who was very concerned because she she had taken her son,
her fourteen year old son to the dentist and got

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a real shock when X rays showed this foreign body
a round metallic object beneath his lower left molar in his.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Mouth, and she.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
Had no idea what this thing could be. Asked her
son about it, he had no idea. The dentist asked
if he had shot himself in the mouth with a
BB gun, which he denied, and of course she denied.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
It as well.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
She would have they both would have remembered this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
And this was large. She sent me the X rays.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
This was quite large, about not quite as big as
a marble, but certainly larger than a BB I sent.
She sent me multiple X rays. The dentists could not
identify it, and they took other X rays and it
showed up each time. So she started doing research on

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this and the only thing that kept coming up was
et implant, and she finally reached out to me and
sent me these X rays. My first move was to
ask her if she has any history of UFO m connors,
which she denied, So I did her son, which puzzled

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me because I kind of really expected them to remember
something along these lines. I sent the X rays to
two doctors, both who are UFO researchers. One is a
move on field investigator, one is a general practitioner, and
the other is an emergency physician, and both said the

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same thing, that this is definitely artificial, it's probably metallic.
It's absolutely perfectly round. And both wondered if perhaps you
know this kid had shot himself in the mouth. Again, No,
that didn't happen. There's no entry wound. The tooth is asymptomatic.
And this lady did research and found out that actually

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this X rays X rays were taken a year earlier,
and this artifact showed up, but the dentist covered it
up and the other dentist tried to cover it up,
but she ended up getting these X rays after really
complaining about it. And I asked her again, do you
have any history of encounters? And she said no, I've

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had a few, you know, dreams, but I don't know
that that is significant. Yeah, I said, we'll ask your
son again. And at that point he because he didn't
want to talk to me. He was thirteen fourteen years old,
and she held up the phone and spoke to him
so I could hear him talking. He said, well, actually, mom,

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I did, but I don't want to scare you, and
said that around the time this thing appeared, he had
gone outside with his friend and saw colored lights and
suddenly this object was right over their head, flashing even
more colored lights down on them. It scared them pretty
bad and they ran home. And then he started having
all these dreams about being on board UFOs and meeting

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human looking ets and it wasn't long after that that
she had a fully conscious encounter. Woke up and there
were grays in her bedroom, and her son was also
sleeping in the same bedroom, and she saw these grays
go right up to her son's bedside and we're working

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on him, and they looked up at her and told
her telepathically, don't worry. Everything's fine. You don't need to worry.
So that, to me was a super interesting case. And
there's a number of cases involving these implants, but that
one was really compelling evidence, and having had other cases

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kind of like this, perhaps not as clear cut. I
think the purpose for implants, and I've gotten this directly
from contactees who were told by the ETS what they'refore
is to monitor our health, or to measure levels of pollution,
or to boost the immune system, or usually something along

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these lines. So that was one of the more interesting
and kind of wow cases that has come across my desk.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
That is interesting. I know Whitley Strieber had one, or
attempted to have one removed, and there's video available on
different platforms, but as the doctor got close to trying
to get it out, it would move and he never
did get it, I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
Yeah, which is funny because that actually happened in this
case too. They went to take an X ray about
a year later and it showed there, and it really
freaked out the dentists. I mean, one of the dental
assistants had to go home. She was so emotionally shaken
by this. And they took a second X ray seconds later,
and I've got the timestamps on these X rays.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
It was gone.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
This implant was not there or did not show up
on the X ray. Her insurance only covers two X rays.
But the dentist was so amazed and confused, they said,
you know what, I'm going to take a third one.
And I took a third one and this thing was
back thirty seconds later.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Oh my, So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
I don't know what's going on here. You know, talk
about baffling. These objects are very highly advanced technology, I suspect.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
So, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
How do you handle the stigma surrounding UFO research, like
academic or scientific circles.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
I'm very vigorously fighting against it. I try to be
as objective as possible. Is that the facts as we
know them, not push a narrative because there is an
enormous amount of fear, confusion, and disinformation and frankly bad
actors in this field. And I have skeptics coming at

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me sometimes, and some are really vicious and not even
remotely objective, and will resort to name calling in the
second that happens. This says more about them and their
inability to accept scientific data than it does about the
data itself. Yeah, because when they can't attack the information

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able to attack the researcher or the witness, the gaslighting
and ridicule that goes on is unacceptable. So I've worked
very hard to present the subject in a very objective,
level headed way and just present the facts as we
know them, because the truth is, we have enough evidence

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to prove this subject beyond any reasonable doubt in a
court of law to this mainstream scientific community and for
those scientifics what I found the skeptics by and large
refuse to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Even examine the evidence that figures.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
Talking to Michael Cremo, he talked about this because he's
had the same problem. He called it knowledge filtration, and
anything that goes against the current paradigm is not only
disregarded or ignored, but attacked.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
That's not true science.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
So we have to really if scientific thought has a
tendency to become a closed system, because we build up
this sort of theory about how the way things are
and anything that contradicts that, it's very difficult to insert
it into, you know, accepted knowledge.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Yeah, that's unfortunate that they're so closed mind that it is.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
Yeah, it's very unfortunate because I think this subject in
particular offers us a tremendous opportunity to advance our own
knowledge on multiple levels. Astronomy, metallurgy, you know, energy, the
use of light, technology, the electromagnetic spectrum. The ET's use

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of light is so far beyond our own that they
can use it to levitate, render solid objects, permeable, heal people.
The opportunity to learn from these guys is off the charts.
It's a lost opportunity if we don't take this subject seriously.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Another listener, Jake Online, ask what about Nesca peru alien mumbles?
Have you looked into that?

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
I have, And I've got a pretty basic biology medical background.
Not a doctor, but I know several doctors and nurses
and they take one look at these x Ra Ratius
and just kind of laughed and pointed out why they
could not possibly be valid because if you look at,

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say the arms, there's no way they can maneuver their fingers.
There's no radius or all. No, there's I couldn't walk
its stitched together. It's no, not real. And I'm surprised
that these were taken as seriously as they were. I

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am a skeptic of the validity of the Nasca mummies.
I don't want to discount everything because I haven't seen
all the studies on it. I haven't seen them personally,
but from what I've been able to gather and talk
to experts, I don't believe that they're valid.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Now, where do you say uf go research hitting in
the next decade.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
I think at some point this subject will become mainstream,
and that at some point there's got to be disclosure
or a growing movement towards it, simply for one reason.
This subject is real, and this subject is gathering more
and more attention. It's increasing in popularity exponent Many mainstream

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scientists are not taking it very seriously. Our governments are
taking it seriously, or people within government, I should say so.
I think we're almost a new era is dawning here,
or this subject is going to be taken a lot
more seriously than it has been for a very long time.
But on the other side of the fence there, I

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don't see the people who are withholding say the Roswell
craft or the reverse engineer technology, or the technology itself
or the bodies will ever release it. Not. I mean
you'd have to hold them under arrest or at gunpoint
to get them to talk about this seriously or release anything.

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So I'm of two minds about it. I think that
we're going we know enough information to again prove this,
but to get the actual power to evidence is we're
fighting tooth and nail. Moving this subject forward is incredibly difficult.

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So I'm hoping that at some point we can just
reach a consensus about what we know and what we
don't know. I would love to see that it's not
going away. The subject is not going to go away.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Yeah, I don't think it will either. If someone came
to you wanted to get into investigating UFL seriously, what
advice would you give them?

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
I would say do it absolutely. This field is crying
for good researchers. I would say, do all you can
to figure out what's going on. Don't look to our
government for answers. Do your own research. I would ask
people to basically start doing interviews with people they absolutely

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know for sure are not going to lie to them.
We've all got a circle of family, friends and coworkers.
Start there and see if anyone you know has had experiences.
If you really want to become a researcher, get a
good scientific background and chew an area that interests you
the most, whether it's landing traces or you know, biological

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physiological reactions, animal reactions. I mean, there's all kinds of
areas that are wide open for research. Here, find an
area that interests you the most. You can join mofon
become a field investigator. I absolutely encourage people to do
that because it helps give you some background and investigative work.

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I joined mof on early on and became a field
investigator and it was very valuable. So that would be
my recommendation. And be as careful and as thorough as
you can in your investigations and objective.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
You can have any projects and new books in the works.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Oh always, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
I'm working currently on a sequel to my book Symmetry
of True UFO Adventure that's again about the experiences of
Dolly Saffron. I'm going to do another book on my
own out of body experiences. We didn't talk about that,
but I've had a bunch of OBEs astral projection experiences,
so I'm working on that as well. Another one on

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supernatural events, of course, another one on people who've had
direct UFO encounters. I have a website where I put
up my information.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
I have a YouTube channel.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
I do my own podcast with Dolly Saffron The light
Gate each Monday evening.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
I'm very busy.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
This is such an important subject, so I really appreciate
you having me on your show because people deserve to
know the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
This cover up can't go on.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
Sooner or later, it's going to collapse into the weight
of its own lies, and I, for one look forward
to that day because it's not sustainable the way things
are going on right now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
Well, I'm going to do you stand by for that day.
I appreciate you being on. I know you probably need
to get on with your evening, but you're welcome to
give our listeners your web address and where to find
your podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Thanks very much, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
You can probably just punch my name in the Internet
and they'll give you lead you to my YouTube channel,
which is UFOs and the Paranormal by Preston Dennitt. My
website is prestondentit dot weeblyy dot com. You can find
excerpts of my books there. You can also purchase my
books on Amazon and Burnes and Noble. I'm all over
social media Facebook x, Instagram, Reddit. I think that's most

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of the ones I can think of. So many social
media platforms these days can't keep up.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
But yeah, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
Pretty easy to find, and I try to be very
responsive to people because I know there's a lot of
people out there who are just searching for resources or
someone to take their story seriously.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Yeah, I also posted a link to your website on
my page, and also there's an area of showing the
books that you've written. If they click on that, it
will take them directly to your site on the book page.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
So wonderful. I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
My address is NWDN dot net. It's November Whiskey Delta
November Net. So anything else you'd like to tell us
before we let you get on with your evening.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
Just thank you, and yeah, I would encourage everyone to
do their own research well loving truth to guide our
actions and have fun. We're here to have fun and learn,
learn all that is learnable, and proceed.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
So yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
I look forward to having you back on in the future.
There's some other topics I'd like to talk over with you.
What them's out of body experiences and then mother paranormal topics.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
I would very much enjoy that. Thank you anytime, alrighty, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
I'll let you take care of what you need to
this evening, and I appreciate you being an audience. It's
definitely been an honor and I say, I sure appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Mikewise, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
Alrighty sir, you have a good evening and we'll be
back in touch.

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