Richard Martini May 16th 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:35):
Good evening from the Ozark Foothills in northeast Arkansas. This
is Midnight Frequency Radio and I'm your host, Carl Richardson.
For thousands of years, humanity has asked the same haunting question,
what happens when we die? Is consciousness extinguished like a
candle in a dark or does some part of us

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continue beyond the limits of the physical world. Cross culture, religion,
and generations. Stories of near death experiences, spirit encounters, reincarnation,
and journeys into the afterlife have challenged everything we think
we know about existence itself. Tonight's guest has spent years

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exploring these mysteries, not through blind belief, but through investigation, research, filming,
and personal experience. Our guest this evening is author and
award running filmmaker Richard Martini. Richard has written and directed

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nine independent films and worked as a freelance journalist for
publications including Variety, Ink and Premier Magazine. He's also a
graduate of the Prestigious Masters, a professional writing program at USC.
But it was a deeply personal event that led Richard
down a path unlike any he had traveled before. The

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death of a soulmate, followed by a vivid dream encounter
that would forever change his understanding of life, death, and
what may await us on the other side. This extraordinary
experience became a spark behind the groundbreaking nonfiction book Flip Side,

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a tourist guide to the Afterlife. Driven by questions that
many of us have quietly wondered about, Richard embarked on
a worldwide search for answers. His journey took him into
deep Tibetan philosophy, through India and Tibet, while filming documentaries,

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and eventually into the fascinating work of the Newton Institute,
founded by renowned hypnotherapists and author Michael Newton. Along the way,
he examined reports of life, between lives, path life memories,
soul groups, consciousness beyond death, and the possibility that our

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reality is far more complex than we've been taught. Tonight,
we'll discuss Richard's personal experience, the research behind his work,
what hypnotic progression sessions may prevail about the afterlife, and
whether consciousness survives the death of the body. Will also
explore the idea that this world may only be one

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chapter in a much larger journey of the soul. So
settle in wherever you may be listening around the world tonight,
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Speaker 2 (05:20):
Leave me this way, I can't slave, I can't stay
aloud without your love. I don't leave me this way.
I can't existence. I'm sure this your tender kids. Don't

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leave me this way.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
You're listening to Midnight Frequency Radio with Carl Richardson exploring
the Unknown on the night Watch Digital Network. Now here's
Carl here.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
I am, indeed with our guests Richard Martini, Richard, welcome
to Midnight Freklancis Radio.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Well, thank you, Carl. I am so honored to be here.
I really appreciate it. I know a little bit about
your background. We talked a little bit about you before
the show. But I just want to say I've been
to Arkansas. My dear friend, Sally Kellerman was from the
other side of the state in Portland, Arkansas. And then

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I wrote a movie called Three for the Road, which
got made in Little Rock with Charlie Sheen and Alan Rock,
and so I did come down and I got to
visit the set and I got to have some of
the best catfish I've ever had in my life. So
I'm a fan.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Well, you know, Arkansas is a beautiful place, but our
foods are the worst thing you can eat. I can
say I love Southern catfish and that will make you
fat in a New York minute.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Oh is that what happened to me?

Speaker 3 (06:57):
All right?

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Very good? No, no, I I think it's also very interesting.
Do you have a connection to Art Bell and my
connection Art bell is remote but at the same time
very unusual. And some years ago I got a call
from Art's producer, Heather Wade, and at the time when

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he was like the last years of his show, and
she said, Art heard you on Coast to Coast. He
wants you to come on and show. And I was like, oh, great,
that'll be fantastic. And I had heard Art back in
the day driving to San Francisco from Los Angeles or
back and forth. However it was on the freeway and

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I must have driven by Perump no number of times.
But still I was familiar with the show and I thought, oh, great,
that'll be interesting. And this was right around twenty eleven
after my book Flip Side had come out, a tourist
guide on how to navigate the afterlife and so, but
what happened was called me up and said, you know,

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at the last minute, he's decided he doesn't want to
do the show with you. Oh really, but I am.
I'm going to do the show with you. And I thought, oh,
that's great. And so we did a two hour show
and I had never I don't think i'd ever done
this before. But she was asking me about what I
was doing as of late, and it was doing guided

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meditations with people where I'm sure you're familiar with the term.
I had just finished filming. I filmed about two hundred
hypnosis sessions with Michael Newton trained hypnotherapists and others where
people were saying the same things about the afterlife. And
of course, when I first came across Michael's work, I thought,

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is this possible? What's going on? And as you mentioned
in the intro, my close friend Lawana Anders, an actress,
been in over one hundred movies and TV shows. She
passed away and started visiting me. And at first I thought, well,
that must be my imagination, wishful thinking. But then she

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started showing up to other people that I know, and
they would say the same things. They would say, Oh,
I heard her say this, I saw her doing this.
I thought, well, that's strange. How can she see us
and we can't see her. And she told me as
she lay dying that she had recurring dream that she

(09:26):
was going to what she said was another universe. She said,
I keep seeing myself in a classroom where everyone's dressed
in white and they're teaching something about spirituality. And she said,
they're speaking a language I'd never heard before, but somehow
I feel like I completely understand. I thought, oh, that
must be the morphine drip, you know, something, you know,
hallucinating from the drug she was on. But the night

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she passed away, her close friend called me and said,
you know, I had this great dream about our friend Luana.
She was, she said, in the fourth dimension, in a
classroom and white, and everyone in there was dressed in white,
and she seemed really happy. And I turned to the
hospice care nurse I said, you know how about this
and she nearly fainted. That was her recurring dream. I

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heard about it all the time. So years later I
picked up a copy of Michael Newton's book Journey of Souls,
and in it he mentions, like, one of the first cases,
there is a guy who under hypnosis and they do
like four to six hours of hypnosis. He saw himself
in a classroom in the afterlife and everyone was dressed

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in white. And I thought, oh, maybe this is how
I can find my friend. And so I called up
the Newton Institute and said, I'm a filmmaker and I've
you know, like written and directed regular films like I say,
three for the Road, you know Charlie Sheen movie, but
this was I thought documentary. I'll go and interview Michael Newton.

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They said, oh, no, he's retired, but we're giving a
workshop at Chicago, my hometown. And I thought, well, okay,
I'll I'll go there and i'll see what's going on.
And they allowed me to come in and return for
giving them footage of what I shot, which was their workshops.
I could then see what was happening, and so I

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began filming and at some point they said, Michael said,
you know, why don't you do your own session and
why don't you film it? And I thought, oh, great,
this is a perfect way for me to prove this
to be wrong or false. I wasn't convinced. I hadn't
convinced myself anyway that I could be hypnotized. I'm, you know,
an active brain fellow like yourself. You know things are happening,

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you know what's going on. But I thought, sure, I'll
try that out. And I was determined that no matter
what happened, I wouldn't make something up, because that's always
the bugaboo, you know, the bias involved, because the hypnotherapist
wants you to have a past life regression and you
want to have So I just decided whatever I saw,

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if I didn't anything, i'd say it for four hours.
I was happy to do that. Unfortunately, that's not what happened.
But twenty minutes into it, the hypnotherapist Jimmy Quass out
of Eastern Hypnosis and Maryland, he said, just look down.
I was saying, you know, I don't see anything. I
see nothing. He said, well, just look down, and I

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saw my feet in a creek, and from there I
saw a lifetime and a journey in a path, and
from there I when the session was over, I walked
out of there. I felt like the earth had shifted
on its axis because all the things that other people reported,
councils and teachers and guides and loved ones, my friend

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Luana seeing her in a classroom in the afterlife, going
to visit all these different things and places. I had
the experience. I like to I like to say to people, listen,
if you haven't had an experience, you haven't had one.
It's like skydiving. Everybody has an opinion about skydiving until
they step out of the plane, and then once they

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step out, it's an experience. It's something that's well and
it's it's something that that they've had that nobody else
has had, but they've had it. I mean it's either
they feel like they're falling, they feel like they're flying,
they feel like they're swimming through air. That's a personal experience,
so other people can't claim that they didn't have the

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experience they did. And people have had the experience of
talking to people on the other side who are still
in existence. They've had the experience of seeing people. They've
had the experience of learning new information. And that's the key.
It couldn't be cryptomnesia something you heard or made up.
If they're giving you something new, well, you know, the

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car keys are in the trunk of the car. That's
where you need to look those sorts of things. And
I've been cataloging those things for the past twenty years,
so in ess since I've been filming, I've filmed over
two hundred hypnotherapy sessions. And then I a medium reach
out to me who works with the FBI and LAPD
and NYPD, some law enforcement agents on missing person cases.

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She reached out to me and Jennifer Schaeffer, and about
ten years ago, we started filming our lunches together. She
was like a cell phone to the other side. I mean,
I could just say and Lauana showed up, and Michael
Newton showed up. People would show up and our lunches
and she'd say so and so is here, and I'd say,
like where, And then she'd say, well, they want to

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ask you this or they want to say that. And
by virtue of me not disbelieving and not believing, I
was able to ask her questions, Oh, really, so what
happened on this day or what did this event happen?
And I'm a person who likes to ask questions. And
so going back to Art Bell, So this session that

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I did with Heather Wade on her show, like I say,
it was two hours long, and she had an amazing ability.
She had never done hypnosis before, or I wasn't hypnotizing,
or I was just doing a guide of meditation, and
she was able to talk to guides and teachers and
all kinds of unusual stuff. Now in the interim, two

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years later, Art had passed away and she reached out
to me and said, I'd like to do another show.
And I thought, well, you know, let's just see maybe
maybe she has the ability. She knows Art, so you know,
maybe it's possible. I didn't say that to her, but
so we did the show live, and on this show,
I said, you know, is it possible for us to

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talk to Art? And she gasped and said, you know,
I was afraid you were going to say this to me.
And I said, well, let's just try, and we had
a conversation with Art. That's all I can put it
is she saw him clearly. He showed her things like
she had fallen and broken her ankle, and he showed
her how he had been trying to help her foot

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at the time, and she, now live on the air,
said you know, I felt somebody holding my foot and
I didn't know who it was, and he's showing me
it was him. And she went down this path. And
I then said, so, Art, what are you doing on
the flip side? Like what people talk about? Like what
once you cross over, you know, you're met by your
loved ones and friends and people like that. And I then,

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of course you have time to do whatever is you
like to do, and he said, I've created a radio station.
Now this relates to what we were talking about before
it went in the area where you and him he
was trying to fix, like a television set in the Philippines.
He said, I create a radio station, but it's analog,

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so I have to remember all the wires, all the plugs,
all the circuitry. And then I put this radio station
together so I can create an on air experience. And
I said, well, what do you What do you do
or do you just speak? Or do you play music?
He said, I play music all the time. And I said,
what's Are you using cassettes? Are you using CDs? He said,

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I'm using my memory songs that I remember and I
play them. I said, what's the throw, what's the audience?
Are you getting a big He said, no, it's not
the point. The point is I'm doing something I really
enjoy doing. And he has to create the entire construct.
And now this is where it gets a little unusual
and interesting. I said, so, who are you seeing over there?

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And he said, I see my friends. I see the
people that I used to have on the show. I
see Father Martin. I said, okay, and that's interesting. I
said who else? He said, I see Whitley and Whitley
streeb as you know, the guy who wrote Communion. They
were great friends. Whitney still on the planet, and I said, well,
what do you do when you see Whitley? He said,
I go over to his house and I play cards

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with him. Now I've heard this before, not just from Art,
but I've heard people talk about playing games with other people.
On the flip side cards, But you have to create
the deck, you know, you have to create everything, the table,
the chairs, the beer, the cigarettes, anything. It has to
be created, just the way we mentally create things in dreams.

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So it's created. And I said, so, is Whitley aware
of you playing poker with him? And he said, no,
absolutely not. When he wakes up at the morning, he
completely forgets what happened. Now cut to last year, about
this time Contact in the Desert was going on. I
was backstage on a panel with Whitley, so I pulled

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him aside. Whitley, we never met. I just want to
tell you I had a conversation with Art Bell on
the flip side. He says, you guys played poker all
the time, but you never remember it. And Whitley looked
at me and said, what's really unusual is I hear
what you're saying, and no, I never played poker with

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art Belt during my life. However, you're saying it now,
I think that is actually happening. So it was like
my saying it made him realize that it was possible
that it was happening. He's just not aware of it.
So that's kind. So what I've done is I've learned

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after filming two hundred hypnotherapy sessions where people I'm not
asking questions, I'm just filming. I got the camera on
and I might slip the hypnotherapist a note, you know,
ask about this. But after doing that for years, the
past ten twenty years. Actually, then, like I say, I met,
I've interviewed quite a few mediums, different medium different parts

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of the country, really talented people who are like cell
phones to the other side. Then about I'd say about
six or seven years ago, I started doing these guided
meditations because I realized somebody who had had an experience,
and by an experience, I mean either like of an
experience bypassing the filters on the brain. The filters apparently,

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and according to doctor Grayson's book after he talks about them,
page one twenty five, on the brain that block awareness
or block information that's not conduced to to survival, like
the human brain just blocks that stuff out. You know,
dogs can smell, can't, you know, animals and insects, they
can see all kinds of dimensions that we can't, but

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we block all that stuff out because it's not useful
to living. Let's say, but some people are born without
those filters. Some children, up until the age of eight,
they see people that other people cannot. We've all heard
those stories, some kids saying Grandpa's here, or they remember
past lives, and conversely, elderly lose the filters just before passing.

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Doctor Grayson talks about terminal lucidity. It's this phenomenon where
dementia people people with dementia spontaneously recover their memory. Seventy
percent of the hospice care workers in the UK have
reported that where people their patients suddenly remember everything. As
doctor Grayson noted, it brains atrophied. They shouldn't remember, you know,

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they get shrunk and they don't it shouldn't remember anything.
But it's as if the filters have died along with
the dying brain. So that's the rubric or the architecture
of what I'm talking about. People report that we exist
before we come to the planet that we're fully aware
of all our lifetimes that we plan or argue or

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volunteer or cajoled into coming back guilt trip. I don't
know who depends on the person. But once we get here,
we try to do the things that we promised we
were going to do, and people screw up because it's
hard to navigate this planet negative and positive things that
are on it. But at the same time it is

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we're with our friends, or with our classmates, or with
people that we've known forever. And I like to point
out that in my research for the past twenty years,
and especially in these guided meditations, I can show people
very simply that their loved ones are not They're not
far away. I mean the ones who want to talk

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to them. Let's put it that way. We all have
loved ones. It's like, please don't come and visit me,
because yeah, I'd still owe you the twenty bucks. I'm
not giving it to you. But by and large, we
have people that we've lost that we wish we could
continue to converse with. In my weird case, because Luana,
I wanna Andrews, my friend who passed away. She moderates

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the podcast that I do called Hack in the Afterlife.
So Jennifer Schaeffer and I and Jennifer, like I say,
works for the FBI, LAPD other people, and she and
I do this podcast where Luana has the guest list.
Luana is the person with the clipboard, and so if
if she allows the person who wants to talk to

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us to come forward, she's the one who decides like, well,
this guy's ready to talk to you. And we'll say, Lowana,
who's here? And she'll either say, you know, it could
be somebody I know, could be somebody Jennifer knows, could
be somebody who just passed away. We had Brian Wilson
show up, you know, the Beach Boy guys. Yea, I

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you know, I had when I wrote for Variety some
years ago. I was a music critic and I did
write a review of his show. And I have these
sometimes these experiences in my own place where I hear
like a phrase or a concept or a feeling and
I wasn't thinking about it, I kid you not. I
was standing in the kitchen and I heard Brian Wilson's

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voice say, I'd be honored to be on your show.
And I was so emotionally taken back by that, like
what the way you put it? Where you put it.
So then I went to her, and this is the
way I work with Jennifer. I don't tell her what happened.
I just go, well, who's on Lawana's list? And she said,
Brian Wilson is here. Well, and she said the beach

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boy guy is here, and then and then she said
Brian Wilson. And then we interviewed him. You know what happened,
who crossed what it was like when you crossed over
people like Brian of course, and people with dementia. He
didn't have dementia, but you know he had like ADHD.
And you know, it's like a part of them is
already off stage while they're here, and so it's not

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really hard for them to sort of step into the
other side to say, well, let's continue the conversation. Anyway,
That's been my experience, and so I don't know about you, Carl.
You know we've talked a little before the show, But
if you want to, I mean, listen, I've been talking NonStop.
I want to let you tell me what you want

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to talk about. But if you want to do a
guided meditation during your show for your audience's sake, so
they can hear what I'm talking about. I'm happy to do.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
That for you. Oh yeah, But I wanted to bring
up first, and I don't think this has ever been
spoken about in public. But Arts last son, Alex. He's
still a young man now, but when he was growing,
still in a toddler stage, he would point at a

(25:10):
particular area of the room and he would say, Daddy.
So Art was apparently appearing to Alex after his passing.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
How old was Alex at the time.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Oh, I force five ish. I think he's seven now.
They visit us here with Christmas at Oh, he hasn't.
He hasn't been doing that lately. But and I'm not
sure I want me to even say anything about that public.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Well, and you can just you can just no listen.
I want to point I want to point something out. Look,
I've been doing this a long time. Our three year
old daughter, she was three, she came in. I remembered
it like it was yesterday. My wife and I and
our new or born son were sitting on the couch
and my little daughter came running in out of breath, excited,

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and she said, Grandpa's in the kitchen. My father had
passed away in two thousand and four. This was two
thousand and eight, and I startled, you know, I just
started doing this research. And I tried not to react.
I like to jump up and run in the kitchen
because I wouldn't see him. But I said, oh, what

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does he want to say? And she paused and she listened,
and she said he wants to say I love you
very much. And I said, so, let me ask why.
I want to continue the conversation. Why is he here?
And she said he came to see the baby, which
her little brother was on the couch with his mom.

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And I said, does he have anything else he wants
to say? And then she looked around. My dad was
an architect. She looked around at all the toys and
all the boxes, and all the fences and all the
things you put up, and she said, he says, you
guys need a bigger place. Now, what's unusual about that?
And to be clear, the night he passed away in

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two thousand and four, I flew back to Chicago, to Northbrook,
where I grew up the house that he had designed.
And I was in my bedroom and I heard him
walking down the hallway. I heard him enter the room
because the floor was creaky, and I felt his hand
on my shoulder, so I was awake, and I said Dad,

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and I heard his voice, clear as a bell, just
a few inches behind my ear, say, I'm experiencing indescribable joy.
Now that's not a phrase I've ever heard anyone say,
including him. And he had Alzheimer's, so the last three
or four years of his life he didn't say anything.
So it was startling to hear his voice, but also

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to hear those words indescribable joy. And then he said,
I need you to get a pencil and a piece
of paper to write something down. And I thought, what
if I turn on a light to find a paper,
this will all vanish. I said, just tell it to me.
I'll remember. And he said, get the paper in pen

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you know, Dad, Okay. So I turned on the light,
got the pencil and paper, turn off the light. He
was still there. He said, tell your mother, I love
her very much. Tell her I'm here with Harry and Kitty.
And he named four other individuals names I'd never heard of,
and I wrote them down, so I'm you know he's
here with these people, And tell your brother this. I

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have three brothers, and so each one very specific. Tell
him to do this, tell him to worry about this
financial thing, tell this one to do that. And at
the end of the conversation, knowing how they would not
believe a word I'm saying, I said, why are you
telling me? And he said, because you can hear me,
which means my filters are off. It's a gift. They

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just are off. They're squirrely. I could hear him. And
so the next morning I said to my mom, you know, Mom,
I think Dad came to visit me last night. Oh really,
I said, yeah. He told me to tell you he's
with these people. And she said, oh, those are our
friends who died in World War Two. None of the
people I had ever met, none of the names I knew.

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She did. So that's an example of new information. It
can't be cryptomnesia coming from me. It could only come
from him to her. And so I heard my father's voice.
And the second time I heard it was I was
in a lake in Tibet, actually middle of the night.

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Somebody told me, you know, this is a tradition, you
go out and swim in that lake, ice cold, and
so I went out there, I thought, Ah, what the heck.
So I was out there in Lake Mansurobar and paddling
around and I heard him say basta, which is Italian
for enough already, like get out of there. And I
was like, I mean, like you could have echoed across

(30:08):
the lake as far as I know. But anyway, the
point is, the point is it's not special. It is
what mediums are doing. What special is that we block
it and we pretend like we can't hear it. And
so when you say that a friend of your son
saw his father or pointed out his father, and just

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like I said, the filters on the brain don't really
kick in till the eighth year. And now I don't
know why that is, I asked one pediatrician. He said,
it's well, Le's call hardens about that age. So it
might be a receptivity issue. I don't know, but around
age eight they do start to not hear it anymore.
James Lineer is the famous case that Carol Bowman and

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doctor Jim Tucker at the University of Virginia studied, where
he remembered being in a World War Two pilot and
his father. They tracked down his crew members on the ship.
So they were in their eighties talking to his son,
who remembered all of them and who they were, what
their names were, and where they were from. And it
was this uncanny get together. ABC has covered it and

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quite a few other people, and I just want to say, look,
people who when they hear the word reincarnation they think
that's a religious term. We have to focus on what
does incarnation mean? How do we come into our being?
And in those cases there are fifteen hundred historically accurate
reincarnation case studies in doctor Jim Tucker's book Before Carol

(31:38):
Bowman's book Children's Past Lives, she was with her child
one day and he went into a Civil War cemetery
and pointed to his tomb and Mom, you know, that's
who I was. And that allowed her because she knew
he wasn't making it up. Yeah, I mean could have been,
but you know, she knew there wasn't that the way

(31:58):
he presented it. She started doing research and found out
that this person et cetera, et cetera. And so she
also was a student of being Stevenson at the University
of Virginia in the medical school. So those are two
scientists that anybody can point to their work. It's not
somebody you know just talking about this funny thing that happened.
But in my case, you're pal rich. I tell people,

(32:21):
if you have a toddler under eight, but more like
you know, three or four years old, ask them this question.
It's non denominational, it's no religion attached to it. Did
you choose mommy and daddy or did we choose you.
It's a simple question, and you'll be shocked at how
many unusual answers you get. I mean, I would say

(32:44):
fifty percent of the people who do that, and the
report back to me they say, I have no idea
why he said, you know I was your father last
time and now you're my father, or you know other
very specific details that you know they are mind bending,

(33:04):
and well, if you haven't heard of it, it's about skydiving.
Like I say, if you haven't heard of it, if
you haven't experienced, you're gonna say no, people don't jump
out of planes. That just doesn't happen, you know, unless
you have, And then if you have, then you know
it's happened. You know where you've heard somebody say in
the movie there's a movie I made called Hackney Afterlife.
And the very last frame, there's this friend of a

(33:27):
friend of mine who's who filmed her daughter, you know,
saying good night. And the daughter looked above her head
and she said, oh, grandma's here, and she says good night,
and then used the nickname that only her grandmother of
this girl's mom ever used, and she was startled. But
you know, it's on camera. So the point is, it's

(33:50):
it's not a religious concept that I'm talking about. I
just want to set that aside. I'm not talking about
you know, sure there are religions that talk about reincarnation.
There are Native American tribes that talk about it. The
Cathars were Catholics who talked about it, but the Church
didn't like that, so they put all the Cathars to death,

(34:12):
the Catharre's to death, and so that they could go back,
go to their next lifetime. Quite a few people have
talked about it. Thomas Edison was a firm believer in it.
So is Arthur Canon Doyle, so was John Lennon. I mean,
the point isn't who isn't believes in it? I focus
on the data. What's the data say? And so I've

(34:33):
been filming people like I say, for twenty years accessing
this information, not just who were you? And now this
is where it gets interesting, Carl, because it's not that
people are like playing cards. You know, they aren't like
a king and then they show up as a joker
or they were a queen and then they show up

(34:54):
as somebody else. It's a portion of our conscious energy
comes to this stage, is I like to call it.
So if you think of it this way, and the
averages reportedly between twenty and forty percent. Sometimes people say more,
some peopleople say less. But you can say to a
person during a hypnosis session this lifetime that you're remembering

(35:15):
when you were a Native American, how much of your
conscious energy did you bring to that lifetime? And they'll
say thirty two percent, thirty five, whatever the number is.
What's unusual about that is that while we're on stage
here in this construct, the majority of who we are

(35:35):
is off stage at all times. That's why when some
people have a near death experience and they see loved
ones who are still alive, they're disconcerted because they're like, oh,
I saw Uncle Pete, but you know uncle Pete's alive.
And when I've examined that in greater detail. Usually what
they see is Uncle Pete, but a little more transluc

(36:00):
It's like you could see through him. And because this
happened to a guy named David Bennett, David Bennett was
a science officer aboard a ship and he fell overboard
and he drowned, and he was underwater for twelve minutes.
It was what they estimate, and then a boat. The
boat pushed them up against a rock and expelled the
water out of his lungs, and he came back, but

(36:22):
his life was completely altered. He had a near death
experience where he saw a life review which everybody apparently
has in this research, which is every negative thing that
you've ever done is shown to you by your teachers,
your council members, and your classmates who are all there

(36:44):
witnessing and in many cases traumatic events, you're their first person.
You're experiencing the trauma. I'll give you one exact Doctor
Kenneth Ring talked about a client of his who, during
his near to other event, remembered that he beat a
guy up in a road rage accident, jumped out of

(37:08):
his car, started pounding on the guy, broke his teeth
except he saw it from the point of view of
the victim. He saw it from hovering above looking down.
But also he was the guy. He could taste the
blood and feel the broken teeth and feel the humiliation.
This happened to David benefit Bennett. He's remembered it like

(37:28):
a journey, a thing that happened in Texas, in a
bar in Texas. Who doesn't stop at a bar in
Texas and a guy hit on him at the bar
and he said to the bar tender, you know, it's
just that kind of bar, and they beat the heck
out of the guy. And his memory of that event
was him being the guy and experiencing all that trauma.
But conversely, he also had this other weird happy experience

(37:54):
where they showed him something he had done out of
the kindness of his heart. The way he put it was,
there was a woman that he knew, an older lady
who was always complaining, and he just took it upon himself.
I'm going to make this woman happy. I'm going to
make her joyous. And he really went out of his
way until one day she finally smiled and said, you know,

(38:14):
I want to thank you for like really helping me
and they showed him how that event changed her life,
which also changed her children's lives, almost like a pebble
in the water, and how it affected all these people.
So now what's unusual is that David recovered and when

(38:35):
he went home to his wife, he told her about
this and she slapped him. She was like, are you
out of your mind? You what? Anyway, they eventually got divorced,
and then some years later he did a hypnotherapy session
with a Newton trained hypnotherapist. They have a website and
you can find a therapist anywhere near you, and he

(38:57):
did this session and he recalled all those events. But
he also we call something really unusual, which was he
saw that in the future he was going to get cancer,
but he was going to survive it. So when twenty
years after that happened, when he was he was working
in a hospital and upstate New York and he went

(39:19):
in to get some test results and this doctor came
in because his oncologists without a town. So this doctor
comes in, but he recognizes him from the near death
experience and he says, you know, this doctor comes in
to say, you know, I really got some bad news
for you. You've only got a few months to live, and
David Bennett said, no, no, I survived this, and the

(39:41):
guy said, you're in denial. But you know he did
survive it. I'm sorry to say. David passed away about
a year ago his books called Voyage of Purpose, but
he lived another twenty years beyond that event, and he
told me that story himself. And it's in the movie
Hacking the Afterlife. If you ever get a chance to
watch that, it's free on Guya. If you test, you know,

(40:02):
do a test run. But it's also on Amazon Prime
where I interview all these doctors and I show what
it's like to do hypnotherapy and what it's like to
do guided meditation, et cetera, et cetera. So I just
want to point out, and this stems from your mentioning
a friend of yours son said, oh, I see daddy

(40:22):
up there.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, And I think that was actually art Son Art.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
I know, I'm just saying I'm not I'm not repeating
it for the reason, but I am. I am telling
you I have heard that story in variations for the
past twenty years, all the time, and I don't find
it unusual. What I find unusual is when people deny it.
I think, what would motivate a child to make that up?

(40:49):
I don't. I really don't understand stand how people run
around saying that stuff. Oh you know the kids saw
it on tea. Oh well, all right, I've got one
for you. This is This shows you how I could
say one thing and then two seconds later the completely opposite,
which is my son and I. My son was about

(41:10):
two years old, and whenever I was traveling, I would,
you know, call on the phone to say I love
you good night. And so one night my wife and
I were talking on the phone. I'm in Chicago visiting
my parents, and he gets on the phone and he
says full sentence, first full sentence in his life, says Dad,

(41:31):
I was a monk in Nepaul. What put your mother
on the phone? Like, what were you guys watching some
TV show? Like? What was that about? She was like, no,
we weren't. I don't know why he said that. And
then I kid you not. The next five or six
years he proved it to me. I'll give you just
a couple examples. When I was working on the movie

(41:52):
Salt with Angelina Joe Lee, I was on the set
working for Philip Noyce. I get a call from my
wife sub letting an apartment in New York City, and
she says, where did this book? There's a book here?
And he pulled out a book from the library of
the guy who lives here, and he threw one in
the trash. But he handed me the other book and

(42:13):
he said, this is the important one. And the book
is called Circling the Sacred Mountain. And let me tell
you why that's important. Because when he was three years old,
going back a few years, we were driving around Santa
Monica and I'm looking at him in the child seat
in the back, you know, through the mirror, and I

(42:33):
just casually said, you know, the like the non denominational question.
Did you know me from before? He said yeah. I
said where'd you meet me? He said Tibet. I said Tibet.
Where in Tibet? He said, on the path? I thought,

(42:54):
he is that a philosophical comment? He mean the jury?
And then I remembered, oh my gosh, when I was
in Ti bed with Robert Thurman, UMA's dad, I was
filming a documentary Tibet House, Tircling the Sacred Mountain, and
so I'm on this mountain, mount Kylash, and Robert says,
you know, if you make a wish on this spot,
it comes true. And I swear to you. I was like,

(43:16):
I'm gonna make a I'm going to ask for a
million dollars. No, I want a three picture movie deal.
That was the two choices. I couldn't make up my mind.
I said, whatever comes out of my mouth, that's what
I want. And out of my mouth came the words
I want a son. And I thought, what's that about?
We had a daughter, and I thought, you know, is
it the altitude or maybe there's some kind of genetic

(43:38):
male saying. I didn't know it came out of my mouth.
But now I'm back in the car with my son
and I go, wait a minute, do you mean on
Mount Kaylash? And he goes, no, oh, not mount Okay,
wait a second, and I'm trying to remember, you know
where I made the wish. I said, was it on Congra?
He said, yeah, Congra, which is the name of the

(44:01):
path that goes around on Kylash, but in Tibetan. So
now again, now we're back and I'm on the phone
on the set and going what happened? What's going on?
Why are you freaking out. She said, well, he pulled
these two books out of the sky's library. We're subletting.
He threw one in the trash. He said, that book's workless.
This is the important one, Robert Thurman's book Circling the

(44:21):
Sacred Mountain. He opened up the book, pointed to a
photograph where I made the wish and said, that's where
I found Daddy.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
That's wild.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
He couldn't read, and I'd never said the word kylash
other than that time in the car, so he clearly
was remembering that event and I one of the oh
couple more one was my wife and I were in
a Tibet shop in La He was about five, and

(44:54):
he kind of vanished or disappeared, and my wife was like,
where is he. I was like, it's a small shop.
Got to be somewhere. She went into the back room
and he was in front of a mirror doing full prostrations.
If you know what that means. You put your hands
above your head, you put them to your lips, you
put them to your heart, you go all the way
down to the ground, you put your head, your forehead
to the ground, and then you get up again, and

(45:16):
you do it again and again and again, he had
never seen that. I had never shown him many monks
doing that. I've seen it because I've been to Tibet
in India and I've seen people doing that, but he hadn't.
And he sees his mom catches his mom looking at
him in the mirror after three minutes of her just
staying or their mouth open, and he goes, oh, mom,

(45:37):
you need to meditate more. And this is how you
do it. And he pulled her down to the ground
and he said, you hear those bells, those Tibetan bells.
Whenever there's a bell, not an angel gets its wings.
Whenever there's a bell, it means peace comes into the world.
And I was so she's telling me this, and I'm
like what. And so I go to a Tibetan friend

(46:00):
and I go listen, I just want to ask you
a goofy question. What does it mean when you hear
a bell and Tibetan music? And he went, oh, it
means peace comes into the world. I didn't know that anyway.
The last one was It's had to be about two
thousand and eleven, so he was about six, and I

(46:20):
sat my kids down, I said, look, grandma's dying. And
by the time we get to Chicago, she'll be gone.
So the next time you see her, they're going to
have her like, you know, in a box and make
up on. And because I remember my experience, you know,
I was trying to like prep them for what that's like.
And he started laughing, and I and my wife and

(46:42):
I were looking at him, and he goes, like, you know,
he picks up a bottle of water it was like
half empty. Picks up this bottle of water and the
cap was on, and he goes, Dad, spirit is like
water watch and he throws itto the ground and then
he starts hopping on it, jump on it up and downs,
like smashing it. And my wife and I are look

(47:03):
at each other like what what is he doing? And
then he stopped and he picked up the crushed, smashed
bottle and held it up to us and said, you see,
the water's okay. Easily the most profound teaching I've ever
heard about spirit, meaning your consciousness is going to be
okay no matter what happens your body.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
He's just a yeah, that's that's deep.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Yeah. So anyway, that's why I say, when you've mentioned that,
I don't think you have to have any fear about
saying Art bell Son saw him, because not only have
I talked to him, but there's four what two hours.
And by the way, that transcript of that conversation is
a book I wrote. I wrote called Architecture of the Afterlife,

(47:51):
and you can read every word that happened because I
transcribed them verbatim what Art bell had to say, and
and his whole journey. He's okay, everybody goes home. They're
home on stage. It's hot, it's tough. You know, we
get old, we get gray, we get sick, we pass,

(48:12):
we go home, we go off stage, off stage. We
don't have to worry about any of that. That's just
not a non issue. But we come here to love,
hold hands, make pizza, cappuccinos, do tactile things, enjoy sunsets,
drive around with the wind in your hair. Those are

(48:32):
things that are very hard to create. On the flip side,
I've heard this more and more times than not, which
is you can pretty much create anything over there guitars.
I meet musicians who talk about learning to play the ukulele.
They're like, it's only four strings and a few chords.
How hard can that be? Because you're doing the math.
You're thinking like, well, how do I hold a ukulele?

(48:54):
What do I do to strum it? There's people that
are symphony people, musicians, you know, conductors, et cetera, et cetera. Anyway,
and so yeah, I've had this weird experience for the
past twenty years. So on one hand, I've got Jennifer
Schaeffer who is like a cell phone to the other side,
so I can literally ask questions and she says whatever

(49:17):
pops into her mind. Or I can do a hypnotherapy
with somebody. Again I'm not asking the questions, but you
get a hypnotherapist who does, and that's four to six
hours long. You can learn a lot, or you book
a guide in meditation with me Richard Martini dot com.
And I've been doing this with people all over the

(49:39):
world where in about two hours roughly we do a
thing over zoom. There's a book called Divine Councils in
the Afterlife. Where's an experiment. I got some scientists from
Harvard University of Montreal. I got a bishop. I got
a bishop. We got an episcopal bishop. What kind of

(50:02):
bishop are you, hey, you'll do I have an episcopal bishop.
I have a psychiatrist, and I have other professionals who
all agreed to do an experiment. They none have met me,
nobody knew of my work. I a friend of mine
knew them. She knew that they had all done guided meditations,
and so that was the question, would you do an

(50:22):
hour long zoom call with me? And each one of
them talked to learn new information from people off stage
they didn't know they could. And I just want to
say something about the paranormal term that we use and
people like to use. In that experiment, the norm was
one hundred percent. Everyone experienced talking to people off stage,

(50:44):
So that's normal. It would be paranormal or abnormal to
suggest that anyone could not. And so that's my gift
to And so look, I know people want to hear like,
oh yeah, you make it sound so easy, like come on,
give me one, two, three. So I was going on
your Buddy Coast to Coast George Dori's show, and I

(51:10):
just prior to the show, I was there talking to
Jennifer Schaeffer and having lunch with her and she said, Hey,
your friend Morton is here, and I said, Martin, who's Morton?
She went, you know the guy who wrote the book
about clip Side. I said, oh, Michael Newton, Yeah, she says,
you know, she like, if you're going to make it up,
like why not have the name right right? So she's like, yeah,
he's here. I said, Oh, that's interesting. What's he want

(51:33):
to say. Well, he says he appreciates what you're doing
shortening things. I said, oh, that's great. I said, Michael, listen,
I'm going on this radio show and can you give
me one? Two, three? He said, one say their name?
I said, do you say it aloud or in your head?
He said, it doesn't matter, that's what she said. He said, Richard,

(51:55):
it doesn't matter. Number two. You asked them questions. Now,
recommend you don't ask questions you already know the answers
to you, know or about you, like why did you leave?
You know, don't ask questions about you, ask questions about them.
Who greeted you, who are you hanging out with, what
are you doing? Who are you surprised to me? Questions

(52:16):
about them? But he just said, ask them questions. And
then I said, well, how do you know the difference
between making it up, pretending or actual answers? And he said,
when they answer the question before you can ask it,
you'll know you've made a connection. That's it. And I
just want to tell your audience this that yesterday I

(52:36):
was doing a guide of meditation with somebody who'd never
done a guide of meditation before, and it was a
little difficult for her because it was hard for her
to picture what I was suggesting. Picture yourself in a
boat in a river. That's how I begin my guided meditations.
But at some point I was asking her council members'

(52:57):
questions and she said, I don't know why this is happening,
but before you ask the question, I hear the answer.
Everything you're saying. As you start to say it, I
hear the answer, and then you finish the question. And
I had to say to her, listen, I know why

(53:18):
that is. It's because they're outside of time. They can
anticipate what I'm going to ask. They're outside of time
as we know it. Let's put it that way anyway.
And so I'm just verifying what Michael Newton said. Michael
Luton said this to Jennifer Shaver in a restaurant in
Manhattan Beach and yesterday talking to a woman online, and

(53:40):
she's saying, this is so weird that I'm hearing the
answers to your questions. And this happened maybe a dozen times,
and so that's how you do it. You want to
talk to Aunt Betty, uncle Pete. I recommend grab a
photograph because that doesn't hurt. Right, Yeah, here we go.
Here's a picture. I'm holding up a picture of myself

(54:01):
as a kid clutching on my mother's leg with all
my cousins in Ohio. And you know, you look at
the photograph and you think yourself, well, where was I
what was happening? What was my emotion? Was it a
hot day? Was it a cold day? You know?

Speaker 2 (54:18):
What?

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Was it? Sound like cricket, cicadas? Probably? You know, you
remember the sounds, and so you're putting yourself in that place.
And then once you're in that place, now you start
to ask questions. You can ask the most basic question,
which is like let's say you ask your mom to

(54:39):
come into a cross from you. The most basic question
to ask is can I ask you a question? And
then if you don't get any response, you say, look,
we're playing a game. In order to play this game,
you got to respond. You gotta give me a thumbs up,
You got to give me a nod. You gotta give
me a wink, you gotta get me and okay, something

(55:04):
so that we can play the game. They usually get that,
and so you'll see them like nod slightly. And what's
happening is that you're showing them that you can respond
to what they're showing you, like in a dream. Listen,
everybody has dreams. I don't care what you know. People
claim they don't have dreams.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
They have dreams.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
People who talk to us in dreams don't ever move
their lips. Do you ever think about that?

Speaker 1 (55:33):
I have it? But you're right.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
It's telepathic communication. And once we as human beings start
to realize that we can orchestrate telepathic communication, not just accepted.
Look at people all the time say oh, I saw
my beloved who had died, and and then I suddenly went, hey,
you're dead, and then they vanish. And that's because you're

(55:58):
telling them I'm not ready to have this conversation I've had.
I've had people tell me oh, I saw my father,
and then I was doing everything in my power not
to say that thing like you're not here or cry,
and and I just was in the moment, you know.
And then at some point. The father then looked at
him and said, you're not ready for this, are you?
They know that you're struggling because the filters are off.

(56:22):
Once you're off stage, we're back home, you know where
we work out the play off stage, you know, backstage
where you work out like what am I gonna do?
What are you gonna play? Carl? What are you gonna do?
Are you gonna you know? And your dad like what's
your dad gonna do? And you know, like is this
the right time and place? And also they have this

(56:44):
unusual insight into not only am I doing this for
me and my wife, but for my children so that
they can have these adventures that happened down the road.
And it's just because we're on stage and we have
these works like we're dumb down. While we're on stage,
we're well, we're good actors. I mean, a good actor

(57:05):
doesn't think about all the plays they've been in. They
don't walk around the stage going how did I say that?
You know? And Henry the Fifth, Oh, maybe I should
talk more like Hamlet. No, they're involved and invested in
the moment, day by day whatever it is we're tasked
and we're supposed to do we just focus. That's the
best acting. People then say to me, well, what about

(57:29):
all the freaking conflicts that we have and all the trauma?
Why would I ever agree to that? And I always
ask them like, so, what kind of movies do you
like to see? You know?

Speaker 1 (57:40):
What?

Speaker 4 (57:41):
Do you go? What do you too? Many people like
horror movies, But you know what do you like to see?
You like to see action pictures, You like to see romance,
you like to see one on one buddy comedies. The
essence of drama, as Aristotle put it so succinctly, is conflict.
You can't have drama without conflict. So when you're planning

(58:05):
the play and somebody comes to you and says, you know,
I'm just gonna I'm just gonna float. I'm just gonna
be the guy who gets ice cream and I show
up and I smile, I get ice cream and maybe
I'm in the lottery and then everything's gonna be okay,
and I'm gonna have And people go, what do we
need you for? Why don't you sit this one out?

(58:25):
You can sit in the stands. You can watch us
as we wrestle around the on the field, because we
got stuff we want to learn because we want to graduate.
We want to learn those things that are hard to learn. Anyway,
I let you get one question and go ahead.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Well, we're at the top of the hour. How about
I take my break and then we'll come back and
continue onward.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
Perfect timing.

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who recently led the Navy's Meteorology and Oceanography Command and
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Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
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decide we'll stay by your sound.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
From the Ozark Foothills of northeast Arkansas. Here is Carl
Richardson on midnight frequency radio.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
We're back with our guest, Richard Martini. H I passed
on your message to the listener that requested it, so
they should be able to respond to you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
Okay, very good. The question was how do we you
know how to get in touch with me? And I
was saying, Richard Martini dot com to slowey sound often stirred,
rarely shaken, Just kidding, but there's a little form on
there and I get all those emails you know, and
I just want to mention. I mean, I've got thirteen

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books out there. So Flipside was the first book, and
then I did follow up books, It's a Wonderful Afterlife
and a couple of those, and then Hacking the Afterlife.
And then that's when I met Jennifer Schaeffer, and together
with her work this idea of just you know, having
conversations with people I know or met or worked with

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that was mind bending. We've got four of those books
backstage passed to the Flip Side one, two, and three.
Tuning into the Afterlife, which is just musicians that I've
talked to my mom as a consered penis and so
we had a lot of conversations about that. Then after
that comes architecture of the afterlife. You know, my dad
was an architect, so I was looking at things from

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his point of view. And then, like I said, divine
counsels in the Afterlife. Then probably the most controversial of
my books. People were saying that Jesus was showing up
in their guide of meditations or hypnotherapy. And I've done
the research. Fifteen percent of near death experiences, whether people
believe in him or not, Atheists agnostic, doesn't matter. He

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shows up, and so what I At first I thought, well,
this is controversial, dough, I really want to go down
this path. But I thought I'd be dishonest or less
than honest if I didn't just ask him or what
the same questions that I was asking other people. And
so what I did was I had a number of
interviews with people who were seeing him, and the former

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had a paramount studios reached out to me, David Kirkpatrick.
He said, you should write a book about those interviews.
Then he wrote the forward to it. It's called the
Greatest Story Never Told, is told by Jesus and those
who knew him. And what comes out of that book
is a very unusual story about a guy who still exists,

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let's put it that way, who shows up when people
think about him. He says, he shows up when you
have an open heart. And I've filmed quite a number
of people talking to him about his journey, about his life,
his loves everything, and what he thinks about now. Plus
he's got this really funny sense of humor. I don't

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know how else to put it, but he does show up.
And sometimes I'll say to people, would you ask him
to change into something more conducive to conversation, you know,
because when they see him in a robe and stuff,
that freaks him out. And he almost always changes into
the same thing, jeans and a T shirt, you know,
as if that's the only thing he's got in his

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closet anyway, And one particular event was a woman who
said she saw him wearing jeans and a T shirt
and then she started to laugh. I said, what's so funny.
She said, the T shirt says they're grateful dead on it,
and I thought, okay, so listen, that's another topic, and
it's very unusual. That's probably the most controversial. Then comes

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a controversial book which is more about what we're talking about.
It's called Close Encounters of the Flip side Kind, and
that is talking about aliens. When I was in grade school,
my science professor was Jay ellen Heinik, the guy who
wrote Project Bluebook, who coined the phrase close Encounters of
the third Kind. I didn't realize who he was until

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I saw the movie, and I recognized my professor in
the movie because there's a cameo. And I've subsequently become
friends with his son, Paul, who was also a scientist,
and very unusual conversations in that book with scientists who
are no longer on the planet, like John Mack, like
Jail and Heinich, and then also with his son, Paul Heinik.

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We did a guide of meditation where we accessed his father,
and his father said the same things to me through
his son that he said during our conversation with him
through a medium. In particular, I asked Paul Heineck to
ask his father if he remembered me from you know,

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grade school when he was a science professor, and he said, yeah,
you were very persnickety. I ask a lot of questions,
and so now cut to about a week later, I'm
with Jennifer Schaeffer when we go live on the air.
We don't plan anything. We just turned to zoom on
and that's our show. And I said, can we talk

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to this guy's father? And he came forward and I said,
do you remember me? And she word for word said,
he says you were persnickety. Now that's not a term
I've ever used or heard than from some archaic, you know,
nineteen fifties guy. Anyway, that being said, that's a very
unusual book. There also are some very unusual conversations with

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people who who recall encounters with aliens. And because of
the kind of work I do, I can ask people
to go back to that moment when the event occurred
and freeze frame it, then turn it into a hologram
so that we can move about the vision that they had.

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Whatever it was, whether it's seeing a UFO, whether it's
seeing a person be abducted, doesn't matter. We can go
back without any stress because we're in a hologram. We
can move around the hologram and then address people in
the hologram and ask them who they are. Very simple
question to ask somebody who's not from the planet is

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are you a tourist? Have you come here for work?
Or are you just flying by? And the answer to
that is very unusual, and it's often the same thing
that they report knowing the person that they're coming to
visit prior to their incarnation. As weird as that sounds,

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that's what they report. And then oh, then after that,
there's one other book which your listeners might be appreciative of,
and it's called She Was Never Lost, The Amelia Earhart Saga,
and it's it's kind of a culmination of forty years
of research. Because way before I started this research, a

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friend of mine, I just finished my second feature film,
Limit Up, which had Deep Stockwell and Nancy Allen starring
in it about about Chicago border trade, and my old
friend from high school wrote me a letter and said,
you know, you should make a movie about her heart
no one has. I wrote a script and Diane Keaton

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optioned it, but then she made it with somebody else,
and then ultimately I ended up working on the Hillary
Swank picture. And I've been working on Amelia's story off
and on for thirty some years. Within that timeframe, I
had mediums reach out to me people I didn't know.
I'm you know, I mets at a party, let's say.

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And then they said, you know, I want to tell
you that there's a pilot that wants to talk to you.
I had three different mediums to tell me that Amelia
Earhart wanted to talk to me, And of course I'm thinking,
nice of how could they possibly know that I've been
working on this story, but whatever, Instead of judging it,
I'd say, Okay, let me ask you some questions. And ultimately,

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Jennifer Schaffer and I've had multiple conversations with her and look,
the question that people ask was what happened to her? Well,
I can tell you in a nutshell based on research
for all these decades. She landed the plane and Millietold
in the Marshall Islands. She was picked up by the Japanese, arrested,

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taken to Saipan, where she was incarcerated. Her navigator, Fred Noonan,
was executed for being a spy. She was incarcerated for
seven years. I have eyewitnesses to all of these events,
people that I've interviewed on Saipan, and then I interviewed
US Marines who found her plane on as Ledo Airfield

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on June eighteenth, nineteen forty four, who decoded the message
saying on June nineteenth they had found her plane at
the airfield. They later test flew the plane two weeks later,
and then two weeks after that to three weeks after
that they witnessed the US forces destroy her plane bury it.

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Her body was supposedly dug up, and this was a
matter of public record that Fred Earner wrote about in
nineteen sixty six, that her body was dug up by
two gis named Hanson and Burke. But people don't realize
that Hanson and Burke admitted in nineteen seventy seven that
they only found an arm and a partial rib cage.

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Now this goes back to what we're talking about, because
I was in the meeting with Jennifer Schaeffer, our first
conversation where she said, I asked her, do you want
to help me with a missing person case? And she
was like, absolutely. I didn't tell her who. So I
went to her office and for three hours I talked
to somebody who knew as much about Amelia as I did,
and I've interviewed everybody, read every book that there is.

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And at the end of our conversation, I asked, Amelia,
you know I had heard on sidepan that you were
either shot or beheaded. Now that turns out to be
true of two US pilots who were shot down after
she was incarcerated. I didn't know that at the time.
She said, no, I died of dysentery. And then she added,
and by the way, when those two gis dug me up,

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they only found an arm. That was not something I
knew or had heard before. But ten minutes after filming
this interview in my car, I get a call from
an former NTASB investigator in Seattle who says to me, Richard,
I just was in an office of an ATF officer,
federal agent who has been doing the same research that

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you've been doing for all these years. And everything you
told me is in his work. It's all there, he said,
except when they dug her up, they only found an
arm Now I had just heard that detail from Amelia
Earhart ten minutes before, and that had my head spinning.
So that's where I've been at and since then. So

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if you're interested in Amelia earhart story based not only
on what happened to her physically, and they were the
secrets of her life, where about her love life and
things that people don't know, they've never talked about. Things
that I dug up was never lost because the Japanese
knew where she was. The Americans knew where she was
but couldn't reveal it because that would reveal it had

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broken the codes which they had in the nineteen thirties.
And she knew where she was and she knows where
she is now. More important than.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
That, I had seen that on a story somewhere about
they only found an armed.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
Well, it might it might have been it might have
been me. That's all I can say is because I
haven't heard anyone else talk about it. But I mean,
I found that article in the Chicago Tribune in January
nineteen seventy seven. I didn't find it in nineteen seven eight.
I found it, you know, when I was researching the book,
and I did put that out. I put it on
the Earhart on Sipan website, and listen, I can tell

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you that quite a few other investigators have subsequently either
talked to me or we've talked about this, or I've
put it all in the book, all of their work too,
because I've been talking to these guys since. You know,
just Dick Spink found peace Ever plane and you know
he's a Seattle teacher who traveled in that area and

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he found pieces of an ELECTU and he brought it back.
And Jim Hayden, the NTSB, the guy who investigates plane Rex,
he owns a piece of an electra and so he
showed me on camera exactly where it fit. Les Kinney
is an investigator, hasn't work on it for thirty years.
That's who the A former ATF's agent stuff was Mike Harris,

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And I went to Sidepan together. I've been doing the research.
I just want to say, And it's all in the book.
And so it's like people say to me, aren't you
gonna make the movie, and like, let's go to Sidepan
and let's dig her up, and I go, you go.
It's in the book. I've got the place which the
place where the plane has been pushed into a pit.
It's all there, every last bit of it. So and

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as Melia has said many times, stop looking for me.
I'm here, I'm helping to.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
I'm gonna have to get a that because her history
is something I've always had an interest in.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Well, I'll send you a copy. How's that? Well, I
would say, how's that? You can? You know, we can
just read it. Well, if you want to get a copy,
please do of course, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
I might get a copy and send it back to
you so you can put your autograph in it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
And then now, oh yeah, very good you yeah, no, listen,
and I appreciate that. And of course it's on audible,
and people like hearing me read my own stuff. Anyway,
what can I say other than I've talked a lot.
I've talked to death about it. I've talked a lot
about it, and I'm at a point where I'm not
arguing about it. It's not a theory, it's not my belief,

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it's not I'm just reporting, not only what the evidence shows.
The Marines show what they said, which is corroborated. You
know a lot of Marines saying the exact finding a briefcase,
her passport, you know, being tasked to guard her plane,
all this stuff. Not only that, I've also been talking

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to Amelia and Fred and George Putnam and all of
the people involved in her life on the flip side
and asking them questions to corroborate details. I'll tell you,
I mean, this is uncanny. I was driving down Adams
Boulevard in Los Angeles and I got this feeling that
I should pull into this cemetery white pines, And I

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was like, white pines, why don't I is that sound
familiar to me? And so I walked in the cemetery,
nobody there. I walked in the mausoleum, and I walked
right up to George Putnam's tomb. I didn't know it
was there, but somebody guided me right to it. I
have a photograph of it in the book. So I listen.
I at this At some point you just have to go.

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
Eh.

Speaker 4 (01:20:49):
I don't know if Rich is in his mind or
out of his mind, it doesn't matter. I'll check it out.
But so I know, we've got about a little more
than a half hour maybe left. Is that right?

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
So that's if we don't mind. You know, I'm going
to show you. Show you is not exactly the right word,
but we're going to try to do a guided meditation
live on the air, just to show the audience kind
of Oh, because the guy who asked you a message, right,
he was like, what's a way that I can get
into the altered spheres and to get you know, to

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get to a place where I can converse with my
guides and teachers. And this is this is one way
that I've found to do it. I can, I can
adamantly say meditation is the way to put yourself in
a space to hear and accept or focus on things,
learn things. For those not familiar with meditation, I'm sure

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you've all heard the term, but med means measure in Latin.
You're measuring your thoughts, so it's not a religious practice.
It's literally you could be swimming. In meditating, you'd be
running and meditating. There was a meditation that Robert Thurman
taught me because I traveled, you know, to India and
Tibet with him. It was It's a walking meditation where

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you're just focused on your you know, your one foot
in front of the other. There's a breath meditation where
you count your breath. One breath, second breath. At some
point you're you're you're trying to remember the next number.
You can't think about the troubles that are happening in
your life. So it's that's a way of clearing things away.
This meditation that I kind of do is more of

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an ideation. I'm imagining something and like I said a
little bit earlier, photograph sometimes help you want to talk
to somebody, you know you want to be there, A
photograph of a park, photograph of the most beautiful sunset
you could be there. You can just slow everything down
and focus that. But here's what I do, and I'm

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going to ask you to do this, Carol. I'm gonna
ask you some questions and please just what comes to mind,
try not to judge it. You can close your eyes,
you can keep one eye open you can hold your
hands over your eyes. Doesn't matter. If you're driving, don't listen.
But if you're not driving, tape it or tune in later.
All right. So let me just shift my voice into

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something more calming. All right. So, Carl, I want you
to picture yourself in a boat on a river. Can
you do that?

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
And I want you to tell me what does the
boat look like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
It's a southern tight fishing john boat.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
How long is it fourteen feet?

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
And is this a boat you're familiar with?

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
Do you own it?

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
My dad just own it?

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
Okay, very good. And so when you'd look down in
the boat, what's in there? Are there any leftover things
from when you were guys? Were there before?

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
A cooler? Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
Open it up?

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
What's in Well, it's my dad's boat. There's always beer
in it?

Speaker 4 (01:24:05):
What brand Bush? It's so funny. Just yesterday I was
doing this guy to meditation and this woman was talking
to somebody who said they were from Milwaukee and had
passed away in the fifties, And I said, what's the
beer that you preferred the best? And he named a
beer that only people in Milwaukee would know. She didn't

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know what he was talking about and he said Milwaukee's
best and that has been out of business for decades. Yes,
but okay, so we got a nice cold bush in
the cooler. We don't have to open it up just yet,
but we might. So let's just now. I want you
to look at the waterway. What does the water look like?

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
It's a greenish yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
Are we in a pond, a lake, an ocean, a river?

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
It's the river?

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
And is this the river? You know? Yes, the Mississippi, Oh,
the mighty miss all right, and uh, I want you
to look down at your feet. What are you wearing?

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Boots? Oh? Color brown?

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
And what are you wearing above the boots bla jeans?

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
And above that hey, button down southern shirt?

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Southern shirt color?

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Is that blue?

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
And now take a look at your face. Is this
you now, Carl? Or is this younger?

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Younger?

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
By what?

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
Age?

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
Twenties?

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
Oh? Very good, twenties. Okay, that's interesting. And do you
remember being in your twenties being in this boat?

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Okay. Now I'm gonna do something because I you know,
we're skipping down. I'm just gonna jump ahead. I'm going
to ask somebody to sit across from you in the
boat if you don't mind. And because it's his beer
and his boat, could Jack sit across from you?

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (01:26:13):
All right? Now tell me what Jack's wearing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
He's wearing blue jeans and a T shirt.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
Okay, beard, no beard, no beard?

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Tennis shoes?

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
About how old.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
He's in his sorties? Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
And just because it's only fair, can I ask Hazel
to sit next to him?

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Yeah, you can ask she was afraid of boats.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
But okay, I just want to point out this boat
is tied up. Okay, even if it wasn't, I want
you to tie it up so we can Adobe photoshop
this at any point, which is I now we're on
a rope, We're tied up to the dock. Nothing to fear.
We can even change that green water into blue. We can.
We can change the environment anyway we want. There's clouds,

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we can. If there's something darker, scarier, thundery, just change
it to a beautiful day. It's okay, photoshop it. Okay.
So let's put Hazel in the boat. How does she look?

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
She looks also in her forties, thirties, she was younger
than dad.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
So all right, So Hazel and Jack are you familiar
with me at all? Richard, obviously not so. Jack. I'm
gonna need you to but give me a thumbs up,
thumbs down, a smile, or a nod. Can I ask

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you a question? He's got a nod.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
To play yes?

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
Does he not yes? Or do you hear him say yes?

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
Him nod?

Speaker 4 (01:28:01):
And how about Hazel? Hazel? Can I ask you to
nod to yes? Okay? Very good. So now I'm gonna
ask very simple questions and I'm not going to disturb
or distress Carl in any way. How's he doing? Jack?
How is Carl doing?

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Uh, he's quite often stressed.

Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
Okay, so he needs to work on some stress. Thank you, Hazel,
same question to you. How is Carl doing?

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
He's trying to get his life together?

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
Okay, something a little slightly different from her perspective. Correct, Yeah, okay,
very good. Let me ask you this, Hazel and Hazel
and Jack. I know I kind of know the answer,
but I'm gonna ask anyway, are you guys ever not
connected to your son?

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
Okay, thank you? And was that a nod on both
of their arts.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Or they said no?

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
No? They both said no, okay, very good, so they
can see what I'm doing. So do me a favorite, Jack,
could you or Hazel? Please you're both welcome here and
I appreciate this. And this is a place that your
son can come to it anytime when he wants to
have a conversation with you. So if you put in
your son's mind, Jack or Hazel, was there some point

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or some event and he doesn't even have to talk
about what it was, but some event that happened to
him where you guys showed up to make sure he
was okay, or to interfere somehow so that nothing bad happened,
or maybe something funny happened. Yes, can you talk about

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the event or you don't want to?

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
This would be from Jack. He was with me when
my mother passed.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
Oh, so you were there, and please, if you don't, Jack,
just show Carl where you were. Were you standing next
to him, were you behind him? Were you sitting on
the bed or above or where were.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
You sitting on the bed my mother's bed?

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
Okay, And so let me ask you this, Hazel, what
was that like when you crossed over and you saw
your husband standing there? She was shocked, I'm sorry to laugh,
shocked because you didn't expect him to be there, or
you didn't believe that that was going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
She didn't expect to pass so soon.

Speaker 4 (01:30:40):
Oh, I see. So that's why it's often said people
are shocked to see a loved one on the other side,
because then that means they've left. Is that correct, Hazel?

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:30:49):
Okay? And Jack, let me ask you who greeted you
when you crossed over.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
His mother?

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
And was that a happy reunion or was that stressful?

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
It was stressful?

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
And tell me why? Was it because you guys had
a hard time together on the planet or.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
They had strained relationship?

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
Okay, okay, thank you, I appreciate that, But correct me
if I'm wrong. Jack, that's all gone now, correct?

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:31:21):
And so at what point did you realize that this
was part of a play or that you had agreed
to participate pate in a play right away? Or was
it did it take a while?

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
It took a while?

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
Oh, let me ask you this. Who were you surprised
to see? And it could be any person throughout history.
Were you surprised to see anybody on the other side.
It couldn't be a friend, it could be an enemy,
could be anyone his great grandfather. Oh, and what was
that like? Was he was he happy to see you?

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Was he?

Speaker 4 (01:32:01):
What? Was he a character? Or was what was he like? Jack?

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
When he was young? He was abusive?

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
Oh I'm sorry to hear that. But again, and and
please Jack, to clarify. And I don't I don't want
to sound like I'm putting words in your mouth. But
but since you've been home, you now understand why those
events occur. Is that correct?

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
And is it for a gross issue? I mean, I
mean who grows? Is it was a great grandfather who grew?
Or was it you who grew? Or who who was
trying to learn something? There?

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
His great grandfather?

Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
And let me correct me if I'm wrong. Please, and
any what I'm about to say, which is an essence Jack,
you agreed to help him before you even incarnata. You
agreed to help him learn that difficult lesson. Is that correct?

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
Because when you had when he had his life, review
got to see his trauma that he caused other people.
I appreciate that, Jack, and thank you for bringing that
up because it's such an unusual But let me ask you, so,
who are you hanging out with now? And just in
terms of your pals are you hanging out with relatives? Friends?

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
A friend? Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
And how about like back to the surprise thing, how
about a happy surprise. Do you have any happy surprised
person that you were shocked to see his father? Ah? Okay,
very good, So that was a happy surprise. Yes, let
me ask you any musicians any No? No, no? If

(01:33:44):
there was anybody that you would like to talk to Jack,
who would that be?

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
His grandmother?

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
Can we bring her forward?

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:33:56):
What's her name?

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Lawrence?

Speaker 4 (01:34:01):
Florence? Hi, Florence, Thank you. I appreciate you joining us
in the boat. What's her demeanor? Look like this? She
looked like she's happy to be here or startled?

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Happy?

Speaker 4 (01:34:12):
Happy? Let me ask you this, Florence. Are you as
connected to Carl as you were to Jack?

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:34:21):
So want to show Carl some event in his life
that you were helpful about or responsible for or snoodge
in a way?

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
Can you say what it is?

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
Or she taught me how to tie my shoes?

Speaker 4 (01:34:48):
Oh, that's really sweet. I appreciate that. That's very kind
of you to say, Florence. How fun so? And ever
since then, he's been tripping over them, hasn't he, Florence? Yes,
all right, Hazel, I'm going to go back to you.
I'm going to ask you some of the same questions.
Who were you surprised to see on the other side

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other than family members? I mean, you know, it could
be somebody in history, could be a musician, could be
an actor, could be a historical figure, an old friend,
an old friend male or female female? And is this somebody? Well,
let me ask you this, Hazel. Have you and Jack
had lifetimes together before?

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
No? How about you and this friend?

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Yes? No?

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
And would you do us a huge favor and show
us where that was? Was that somewhere? It was that
in North America, South America, Europe, Africa, Asia, Europe? And
what's a date? Just put the date in your son's mind?
What date was that? Eighteen parties, eighteen thirty, try not

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to judge it. And what country are we in?

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
France?

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
France? And so, Hazel, were you a boy or girl
in that lifetime?

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
Girl?

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
And your friend? What's her name? Or just put the
first letter in Carl's name Carl's mind R, miss R.
And was she a boy girl in that lifetime?

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
Boy? Ah?

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
And were you guys boyfriend and girlfriend? Married? No? But
connected in some way, yes, okay, and so and so
I just want to clarify what we're talking about. Hazel
is saying that the person that she was surprised to
see on the other side was somebody that she'd had

(01:36:51):
a lifetime with back in the eighteen thirties in France.
Let me ask you about that lifetime. Was it difficult?
Was it fun? Was it an adventure?

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
What was it difficult?

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
Were you living in a city or out in the
country country? And so what was ours relationship to you?
Were you guys working together or friends or what?

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
I'm not seeing anything for that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
Okay, that's the she's saying. That's the end of that question.
That's fine, Hazel. I appreciate that. Listen, I appreciate that.
And so I just want you to sort of and
it's an odd question, but what lifetime did you have
the most fun in? My last this last one? Okay,

(01:37:41):
very good, that's very cool, Hazel. I appreciate that. I
got to ask where your eyes hazel? Or where did
that drive you crazy when people ask you about.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
The color of your eyes their eyes were hazel?

Speaker 4 (01:37:55):
And did that drive you crazy when you'd have to say,
just like my name, no, no, all right, I'm sorry,
I've come from another part of the country. We'd laugh
about that, and mine are as well. So, Hazel, what
is what's your impression of what we're doing this conversation?
What do you think about it? It's interesting, it's interesting,

(01:38:19):
and I'm trying to let Carl's audience know that you
can anybody can do this kind of conversation. You see
how I'm asking a lot of questions. I'm not judging
the answers, but I'm allowing the answer to ask to
you know, inspire me for the next question. And how
about you, Jack, if you have you had any of

(01:38:40):
the other lifetimes with your pals, anyone that comes to mind.
Would you please show Carl one what what year are
we talking?

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
I'm saying steamboats?

Speaker 4 (01:38:54):
Oh, very good? Along with Missippy. Yes, ah, very good.
And please, if you don't mind, just put yourself on
that steamboat, could you?

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
And what year are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
Roughly eighteen nineties?

Speaker 4 (01:39:15):
Eighteen nineties? All right, very good, and would you do
it's a huge favor. Jack, just walk over to the
to where the bowie is and tell me what's the
name of this boat? What was it called?

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
Santana?

Speaker 4 (01:39:35):
Santana, okay, Santana. And were you were you giving tours
on the Mississippi or were you running goods?

Speaker 5 (01:39:47):
Goods, okay, very good?

Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
And was that a happy life?

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:39:53):
Interesting? And so let me ask you this, So when
you're planning your next when you're planning your life, is
Jack right after this lifetime on the Mississippi? Did who
suggested that you would go back to I mean you
who pitched the idea that you would fight in Vietnam
and then end up back near the Mississippi well an

(01:40:16):
hour drive away? Was that your idea? Or was that
somebody else's idea? And please tell us why if you can?
Family history, family history, okay, so your roots, your roots
in a way, And if you don't mind, can you
tell us a little bit about your experience in Vietnam.

(01:40:37):
I'm sure I don't know if how Carl familiar Carl
is with it, but you want to show him something
that happened in Vietnam that was that you felt was
important for him to know that you never got a
chance to tell him.

Speaker 8 (01:40:52):
It was in combat, Okay, in combat, and that must
I'm you know, it sounds like I sound like an
idiot saying that must.

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
Have been stressful. But what is it about combat? Was
it the camaraderie or was it the fear or what
was it that was the primary thing you want Carl
to know about?

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
Defense?

Speaker 4 (01:41:20):
Defense? Yes, defense, defense of what yourself, your life, your.

Speaker 5 (01:41:26):
Country, country, country. Okay, all right, very good.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
And so let me ask you this because I asked
John McCain the same question, which is, there are people
that who passed away in wartime that we caused their death.
John caused their death. And I asked him if he
was able to if he had met any of those individuals.
On the flip side, have you met any of those individuals? Jack?

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:41:56):
No. And in John's case, he was trying to point
out that that you know, you it's part of a
life planning that you know people because we're all connected.
So whether we're from another country or were from our country,
we're all connected to each other. And so even those

(01:42:17):
individuals I mean, I wrote about a marine who was
known as Marlborough Man who was a sniper during the
Iraq War, and everyone he killed, he saw their life
flashed before his eyes, and it, you know, drove him
crazy because he would he would, you know, be behind
the gun, and then he'd see the lifetime of this person,

(01:42:41):
you know, flash, their parents, their loved ones, their family,
and he didn't understand it, had no context for it.
And the writer from the Early Times ended up helping
him get into rehab for PTSD and stuff like that.
But the idea that you can meet those people and
understand it's all part of a journey. So who have

(01:43:03):
you met, Jack over there, that you served with any
of the other gis anybody that you lost in Vietnam?
One one? Please describe what was he like?

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
It was fun, but he died?

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
Okay? What's his first name? Or begins with a letter W?
And have you seen this guy since you've been on
the other side?

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:43:34):
And what do you mean by it was fun? It
was fun while you were on the planet or what's
it like to see him now?

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
I'm not pitcher in anything?

Speaker 4 (01:43:49):
Okay. Again, just like Hazel, you get to a question
where there's no answer and it either means I don't
want to go down that path or it means this
is not important to our conversation. I appreciate that, Jack,
but I appreciate you saying that you have run into
somebody that you served with. Who died in Vietnam that

(01:44:10):
you've met on the other side. Is that correct?

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
All right, I've got a question for you, Jack. I
was walking by the Vietnam memorials some years ago, and
I went by a panel and I was overcome with emotion.
I didn't even realize I was walking by the memorial.
I was actually looking in the other direction, but suddenly
this emotion came over me. And then about two or
three years later, I went back and with a camera,

(01:44:36):
I walked down the memorial and I got to the
same place, and suddenly I felt overwhelmed with emotion, and
I filmed all the names to see did I know somebody?
But I discovered that I didn't know anybody. I didn't
nobody on that panel. And so I'm asking you what's

(01:44:56):
going on. Is it that people are depositing their emotions
in that location? Yes, and so how is it that
their emotions stay there? Is it like a frequency, like
a ball of light.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
It's an implant, imprinted.

Speaker 4 (01:45:17):
It's an imprint. Is it imprinted in the wall itself
or is it just in the etheric space around that
particular panel the wall? Very interesting because I also had
that experience walking into Anne Frank's house, where I went
into the room where all the books were that had

(01:45:38):
been written about her or by her translated. But when
I walked out of that room, the feeling went away.
But then when I walked back into the room, it
all came back. So I understand what you're saying. It's
an imprint of the people who go there and they
leave that emotion behind. Is that correct?

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
Yes? All right?

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
So let me ask you something about your son here.
What's a place that he needs to go to where
he can meditate? I mean, it could be a park,
it could be boat, could be you know, on a
boat trip, could be fishing, It could be in a garden,
could be some what's the best place where he can

(01:46:17):
communicate with you?

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
The lake?

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
The lake? Does he still have your boat? Jack? No?
Have you had any bush beer since you've been back there?

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:46:32):
Can you have beer?

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:46:37):
Well, I mean I've met people who can smoke. They
and as somebody said, actually it was a chance Joplin.
She said, you can drink whiskey here, but you can't
get drunk because you don't have a brain. I thought
that was interesting, So I guess bush beer the flavor
of having a beer. Isn't that important, is it? Or
maybe it is? Are you just not telling us? Not

(01:47:00):
really okay, not really that important. Okay, I just want
to point that out. People do say you can smoke
a drink, but nothing happens. Your lungs are going to
be fine. I've had many, you know, people light up
a cigarette while I'm talking to them. I mean, it's
very unusual. I mean, I'm talking to somebody who says, oh,
this is weird. The guy just took out a lighter

(01:47:21):
and lit a cigarette. Anyway, very good. Oh, let me
ask you that Jack, did you get a lighter when
you serve? Did they give you a zippo?

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
I was gonna say, how come you didn't give that
to Jack? Did you give Jack any souvenirs from Vietnam?

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
No? No?

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
Okay, Well I did have somebody come through and he
pulled out a lighter, and so I asked the person
seeing this person to read what it said on the lighter,
and it turned out to be his unit in Vietnam. Uh,
very specific. Whenever that was anyway, I mean, I know

(01:48:04):
Geyser issued a lighter. I guess you just didn't want it,
or you didn't care for it or what was that?
What happened there? You just didn't want a lighter, He
didn't smoke.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
Never offered it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:16):
They didn't give you your lighter. Okay, something for Carl
to complain about. How can I say it is standard
issue a zippo? Anyway? I appreciate that. So, Jack, what
do you want Carl to focus on? So going into
the boat? Is that a way to do it? What

(01:48:37):
is it? It's an unusual conversation for us to have it.
Please what is it you want? And he doesn't have
to respond aloud, but would you put into his mind
what is it that you want him to focus on?

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
Family?

Speaker 4 (01:48:52):
Oh? Okay, very good, and Carl knows what that means.
And Hazel, I'm going to ask you the same.

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
Question family, family, all right?

Speaker 4 (01:49:04):
Very good? And not And neither one of you guys
are going to give us lottery numbers? No why not?

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
No answer?

Speaker 4 (01:49:17):
No answer. Well they know that I know the answer.
Ninety percent of the people who win big lotteries wish
they'd never bought a ticket. That's a bit high percentage.
All right. So I just want to thank you Jack,
and I want to thank you Hazel and your friends
who came forward, and your great grandfather and your I
think your grandmother. We want to thank all these folks

(01:49:40):
that have been here today. And when Carl listens back
to this conversation, he's going to say, what what did
I say? What's happening? I don't understand. I'm making it
all up, And I just want people to realize we
do make everything up in our minds. I mean, I'm
sitting at the perilss Cemetery is a backdrop on my

(01:50:02):
zoom call from a photograph I took there many years ago.
Great Cemetery an appropriate place for me to be sitting
in front of the point is, it's an artificial reality.
And the artificial reality we just created allows us the
possibility of a conversation with our loved ones. It allows

(01:50:24):
us to have a give and take so that we
can of course, they understand how much we miss them
and how much we love them. But you know, we
can ask a question like what is it you think
I should focus on? And they could say work, they
could say cutting the grass, they could say a million things.

(01:50:45):
And of course when they say family, they know that
you know what they mean. And of course there's an
extended family that Carl has. Now there are everyone listening
to his show. They're all the people that are tuned
in because we're all connected, as much as we don't

(01:51:06):
believe we are, as much as we want to believe
that we're disconnected and not part of each other's journey
or path. Every question as you go back through this,
every question I asked was about the connections. His dad
talked about his life planning session, why he chose a

(01:51:28):
journey that ended up in Vietnam. Some people didn't choose that,
as we know, but he did. And there's courage and
camaraderie and defense. As he said, it's defense, of course,
of family and of country. But whether or not people
can argue whether that was a necessary event. I mean,

(01:51:50):
I had the experience of meeting McNamara and I said,
why why is it that the United States chose to
back Pakistan instead of India. It's a democracy, they speak
the same language, and you know they're capitalists. He said, well,
they're sons of bitches. And I thought, well, that's why

(01:52:11):
we ended up in Vietnam because I heard him say
in the movie, you know, fog of War. If we
had realized that it was a Civil War in Vietnam
and not the Cold War. We never would have gone.
And you know, how do you say that to the
sixty thousand people who died and you know, his friend

(01:52:32):
w and his family. So the point being, we do
these things, and we do fight, and we do love
and we do connect, but it is key to hear
that they're never far away. And I just want to
point this out. You know, Karl and I agreed to

(01:52:52):
do this. We didn't know where we were going to go.
I had no idea, I had no clue, no clue.
And I've been doing this for at least fifteen years
with people and twenty years with you know, hypnotherapy, and
everything that was said is repeated in the research and

(01:53:14):
in the text and in the transcripts and in the footage.
This is not And if it wasn't, i'd say it.
I'd say, no, well, that was weird, because nobody ever
says that. Well, that's what they say they talk about,
you know. And of course I'm leading questions. I have
a lot of leading questions because I've you know, done
the research and I know that, you know, a leading

(01:53:36):
question is what people you know, they block at that,
but but they could say no, one flips. I can
say no, that's not the way it happened, showing plan
my life, you know, that's sort of go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:53:47):
Sorry, they could just not show anything. I was trying blank.

Speaker 4 (01:53:51):
That's right, that's right, And and I've I've learned not
to judge. So when you know, you ask some of
the question and you get blank, you say, did I
ask the wrong question? Or I can't talk to them anymore?
You know, you put it on yourself. And the answer
could be they're not allowed to tell you the answer.

(01:54:12):
They know it would disrupt your path and journey if
you knew the answer, or they don't know the answer
and they don't really want to think about it because
they're doing their best to maintain the connection. So it happens.
You know, instead of considering a non answer to be nothing,

(01:54:32):
consider it to be change the subject, please, or ask
me another question?

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
Makes sense?

Speaker 4 (01:54:40):
I think it does. What I'm doing is not illogical.
I don't know it is unusual, let's put it that way.
But like I say, I've been doing this. Richard Martini
dot com is where you can find a guided meditation,
and I've helped quite a few people talk to loved
ones learn new information, you know, have an experience where

(01:55:07):
they learn something new from people off stage. But the
most important thing, the most important thing I've heard, and
I just want to repeat it for your audience. I've
heard it over and over again. Everything is going to
be okay. We don't really think that's an important sentence,

(01:55:28):
but every word is paramount. Everything is going to be okay.
We all get out of here alive. We all wind
up going home, we all reconnect with our loved ones,
and we learn lessons along the way. And yes we
have difficulties, but oh my gosh, what courage it takes

(01:55:50):
to choose a lifetime where you're going to go over
and fight a war that nobody wants you to fight.
That takes courage, That's all. I'm go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
Do you have other web addresses or places where they
can look for your books?

Speaker 4 (01:56:04):
Sure? Do you want to find my all my books
and stuff like that, you know, Richard Martini anywhere? Just
google that. My podcast is called Hacking the Afterlife, and
that's on YouTube or iTunes or all that stuff. Jennifer
Schaffer and I do it. You can find that at
martinis zone dot com, or you can just go to
you know, YouTube and type in Hackingyeafterlife Richmartini dot com.

(01:56:28):
I own that too. That's got links to all of
my films, all of my books. But I want to
say this. People have said to me, you know, you're
selling the Afterlife and I'm like, no, I'm just sharing
my research and in book form that yeah, okay. But
at the Hacking the Afterlife, we have over two or
three hundred conversations with people on the other side. If

(01:56:53):
you can only you can put up with watching them all.
You'll see there's movies in there, There's all kinds of stuff.
There's actually a hip no therapy session that I uploaded
that doctor Helen Wamba had done decades ago. You can
learn a lot by just allowing yourself. And this came
from Harry Dean Stan, the great actor who was a
skeptic who we talked to on the other side, and

(01:57:15):
he said, tell people to believe in the possibility of
an afterlife and then they won't waste another minute of
their lives arguing about it like I did, and he did.
And by the way, you can see him say that
in the movie Hacking the Afterlife on Amazon Prime or
Gaya along with Bill Paxton Talking to Bill Paxton. One

(01:57:37):
of my films Arkansas Boy Texas lived in Arkansas. And
Flip Side, a Journey into the Afterlife. That's my first film.
That's the first documentary.

Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
It all said, available on Kaya.

Speaker 4 (01:57:53):
Yeah, that's also on Guy. So you can sign up
for Gaya for a test run and cancel. So after
a week, but for a week you can watch those
three movies. You can watch them all one day. I mean,
but they have pretty much all that stuff. And then
see what part of this when I'm talking about finds
you find interesting. I have thirteen books out there. Pick

(01:58:15):
one Flip Side. If people seem to like Flipside a lot,
it's the first one. It kind of gives groundwork for
how I got to this place. But if there's anything
I said that piqued your interest, like Amelia r. Hurt,
you know, there's lots. And by the way, if you
don't like what I'm saying, get a refund. I tell

(01:58:37):
people like, come on, you know, read the thing and
turn it back in. You know, you get your money back,
and what what's the big beef? Just allow that maybe
there's something out there I might learn.

Speaker 1 (01:58:49):
Truth, Keep your mind open, and always learn from it.

Speaker 4 (01:58:54):
Yeah, lock, I would.

Speaker 1 (01:58:56):
But Richard, it's coming up on the top of the
hour and it has been an to have you here.

Speaker 4 (01:59:01):
Well, thank you and thanks for letting me take you
into the boat. Carl. That was fun. Oh we forgot
to have a bush. We forgot to open up that cooler.

Speaker 1 (01:59:09):
That was my dad spar of choice.

Speaker 4 (01:59:12):
That funny. Well, he's not drinking it on the flip side,
let me just tell you. So there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
Maybe because it's it got him in trouble a few
times here on earth.

Speaker 4 (01:59:21):
So and they're probably a little warm by now. Yes,
all right, my friend, thanks so much. Great to meet
you and nice talking to your audience.

Speaker 1 (01:59:31):
Thank you, and you never know, we might want to
have you back in the future.

Speaker 4 (01:59:35):
I'd love that. That'd be good.

Speaker 1 (01:59:37):
YouTube all right.

Speaker 3 (01:59:38):
By joining host Carl Richardson as he interviews top guests
in various fields of study now Erring Live every Saturday
night from nine to eleven Central Time and ten pm
to midnight Eastern.

Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
Tonight's conversation remind us that the mysteries don't fade with time,
They follow humanity through every generation. Questions about death, consciousness,
and what may exist beyond this world, have echoed through
ancient temples, whispered through hospital rooms, and traveled with us
beneath the stars since the beginning of civilization itself. A

(02:00:16):
special thanks tonight to our guest Richard Martini, for sharing
his experience and research into the possibility that our existence
may continue long after the physical body is gone. Whether
you agree with everything discussed tonight or not, these are
the kinds of conversations meant to challenge us, to make
us think a little deeper when the rest of the

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world is asleep. But next week we trade the mysteries
of afterlife for something far more intimidating and far more terrifying.
Imagine taking a quiet walk through the wilderness, hearing your
dog suddenly begin barking somewhere ahead, and within minutes finding
yourself standing face to face with something impossible. Next Saturday night,

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Midnight Frequency Radio welcomes doctor Jonathan Reed, the man behind
one of the most frightening alien counter stories ever brought
before the public. For nearly thirty years, the Jonathan Reid
story has remained a lightning rod in UFO research circles.
Reed tells us that during a nineteen ninety six hike

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through a remote wooded area, he encountered a strange humanoid
entity after discovering his dog had been attacked. What happened
next would become the foundations for claims involving physical evidence,
bizarre photographs, alien artifacts, mysterious video footage, and accusations of

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intimidation and suppression. Will also explore the documentary contact in
the Woods, which dives into the encounter, the evidence, the skepticism,
and the enduring mystery that still surrounds the case today.
Next week we'll step into the woods with doctor Reid
himself and hear the story directly from the man who

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lived it. Until then, keep questioning the world around you,
because sometimes the strangest stories are the ones that refuse
to disappear. For the late Art Bell, Joshua was stark,
Josh cheers, and Lady Penelope. I'm Carl Richardson, and this
has been midnight Frequency Radio. Good night, and we'll meet

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again somewhere beyond the edge of ordinary reality.

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