Robert Marro Jr Saturday February 28th 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:42):
Good morning or evening, whatever the case may be. From
the Ozark Foothills in northeast Arkansas. I'm Carl Richardson, and
this is midnight frequency Radio. Our guest this evening is
Robert Morrile, Junior. Robert is originally a native of Brooklyn,
New York. Before his five year plus Wall Street executive
role fighting international financial crime, rob began with a brief

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stint as a junior White House aide during the Carter
Reagan administrations. This transitioned into a career as a covert
operations officer in the CIA. He has also consulted for
a special Operations Command Center Threat Work Group. Robert graduated
from the Catholic University of America in Washington, d C.

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With a BA in Soviet Russian studies and is also
active in the motion picture industry, along with major Hollywood
studio projects currently in development. He was an executive producer
and featured in the twenty sixteen Netflix motion picture Hostage
to the Devil, about the acclaimed author and controversial Vatican exorcist,

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the late Father Malachi Martin. Robert has been happily married
to his lovely artist's wife, Wendy for eighteen years. He
enjoys nature photography with his trusting icon. He's also an
amateur astronomer, writer, and military historian. In his latest book,
Robert Morrill Junior pulls back the veil under life and

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the mysterious and controversial Reverend doctor Malachi Martin. Over the
course of their decade long friendship, Martin revealed secretive details
of the Vatican's efforts to combat Satanist Iron Curtain governments
during the Cold War. Martin also revealed tomorrow previously unknown
details of the controversial Third Secret of Fatima, which to

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date has still not been fully disclosed, despite Vatican protestations
to the contrary. Robert also sets the reconstrate on Martin's
status as an ex Jesuit priest and alleged womanizer. Martin
was not only a renowned exorcist who literally fought the
demons of Hell. He was a Dead Sea spros archaeologist,

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cold War Vatican spy, an adviser to three popes. In
the book Malachi Martin Pulls Back the Curtain, I'm the
only priest who can legitimately be called the Indiana Jones
of the Catholic Church. Rob, Welcome to midnight Frequency radio.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Game Evening, Carl, Thank you very much for having me.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
I hope I got your length of marriage right, because
this was done last week.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Well, I'm creeping up on twenty years this summer, but
I won't tell.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
How did you first meet doctor Martin.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
I first met Malachi back in early nineteen ninety because
at the time I was stationed for the Agency in
New York City and I would go to church at
the old Church at Saint Agnes on East forty third Street.
For anyone who knows, that's the church that Archbishop Fulton

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Sheen would preach out. And I was conducting a field
exercise for the Agency, and I just happened to walk
down third Street and I saw the church and I
went inside and I was. I was struck by its beauty,
and I started to attend services there and I became,

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you know, I guess pretty good friends with one of
the priests who was stationed at the church of Father Pericone.
And he and I were just grabbing some cheap Chinese
food one night, and he asked me what book I
was reading, and I told him, I said, I'm reading
this book, The Keys of This Blood by Malachi Martin.

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And Father Pericone brightened up and he says, he said, Rob,
I know Malachi. Would you like to have dinner with
him somenight? And I did my best level best not
to leap out of the chair, but instead I said, oh, oh,
very much so. So two weeks later, myself, Father Pericone,

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four or five seminarians, and he were sitting down to
dinner at an Italian restaurant in New York City.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Did you attend any of his exorcisms when he was
doing it or was that something he preferred to do
with just select few.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
That's something he did with select few people. There was
one exorcism that I accompanied him with that I'm not liberty.
I'm not at liberty to talk about because it involved
the United States government. I just you know, I just
I can't talk about that one. But as for the
rest of them, instead of assisting him, you know, he

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had a team of other people, police officers, firefighters, sawt
what you would call as salt of the earth Catholics,
and they would accompany him and be his assistance in exorcisms.
There were times when you know, he would have to
require the services of three or for burly people to

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help him restrain the person who was afflicted. What he
would do with me was he would he would let
me know if he was going to be involved in
a particularly intensive exorcism, and I would just when I
knew he would be at the exorcism, I would go
to a church and I would just I would just

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say the Rosary for the safety of all involved.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
What motivated you to write this latest book, Malachai Martin in.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
The Shadows of the Vatican, Yes, the Vatican, Well, it
was I felt a responsibility because, with the exception of
one or two clerics who had somewhat of a relationship
with him, I'm really the last personal live who was
very good personal friends with Malachi Martin and knew Malachi

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on a day to day basis for the better part
of the last ten years of his life. And I
realized that I experienced so much knowing him, getting to
know him, getting to know the traditional Roman Catholic faith

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through Malachi Martin, that I sort of had an obligation
to tell my story what I knew of him as
a man and a priest, because I realized that when
I go to my eternal reward, had I not said
anything about him in a book or memoir, then all

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of that information, those insights, insights about him as a
man and as a priest, they'd all be lost forever.
So I felt an obligation.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
How was Malachi as a person as opposed to the
Catholic priest?

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Well, by the time I met him first off, he
was at the point in his life where I don't
think you could separate the two person and priest.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
He was.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
He was a very warm, congenial person. People were drawn
to him, and he had he had away with people
when he and I would go. I mean, one thing
we used to do to kind of pass the time
sometimes was I would walk around the Upper East Side
of Manhattan with him as he ran errands to go to,

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you know, a stationery store, to pick up the dry cleaning,
to pick up a couple of groceries at a grocery store.
And I would just go with him, and so many
people I would see interact with him every time he
and I would go for, you know, one of these
jaunts around the Upper east Side, and they all knew

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They all knew him as doctor Martin, and amazingly enough,
he knew all their names. I was just amazed. I mean,
a cab driver would go whizzing by on Lexington Avenue
and I'd hear the cabby yell, hey, doctor Martin, how
you doing? And you know, Malachi would look up and

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he would go, Pat, how's your wife? You know as
the you know, and I was like, you know him?
He's like, oh, yeah, that's Pat. Him and him and
his wife have four kids and they live up in
the Bronx. I'm like, you didn't even get the glimpse.
You didn't even see his face. He said, I didn't
have to. He said that was Pat. And you know,

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it was that way with firemen, policeman, you know, storekeepers,
people who knew him stopped him on the street say hello.
There was a very warm, genial quality to him that
was extremely endearing and and I have to think drew
people to him as a as a spiritual director and

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as a priest.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
I understand he had an interesting sense of humor.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Oh he did, He did. He had a very good
sense of humor. You know, it wasn't you know, rybald
or off color. But you know, he could tell a
wicked joke when he wanted to. He was always very
good at you know what I mean by reading the room.
He was very good at reading the room, but not

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in a manipulative way. It was more like he was
very good at reading the room to understand the people
who were there. And sometimes I even got the feeling
that he was able to understand things about the people there,
even if even if they were either embarrassed, bashful, or

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hesitant to say anything, he was always able to somehow
into it what they needed. That's the best way to
put it.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
How did you go about conducting your research for this book?

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Oh? Well, I can tell you that the probably the
easiest part of writing this book was the research, because
the research is built on my memories of the decade
I spent with him as my close friend. And I
remember that when he and I would have some of
these discussions. Some of the things I wrote down because

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I knew if I didn't write down, i'd forget them,
and I would, and I always kept them kind of
stashed away, knowing at some point there would come a
time when I would try and write something about it. Also, there's,
for example, chapter four of the book is entitled in
the Devil's Dungeon, and it was when Maliki told me

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about the time when the Vatican sent him behind the
Iron Curtain into Czechoslovakia in the late nineteen fifties because
there was a a Catholic priest in the underground church
inside Communist Czechoslaki who had gone off the rails. And
I remember that with this book, the entire manuscript, because

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I'm a former agency officer. The CIA has a policy
if you were ever employed by the agency, and especially
in the Directorate of Operations. Are you Are you aware, Karl,
of how the CIA is broken up.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Not really, but being government, I'm sure it's departmentalized.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Well, yeah, it's think of it this way. Think of
a pie, all right, that's split up into four equal quadrants.
All right, there's the Directorate of Administration, and that's just
the very day to day accountants, bookkeepers, HR and personnel.

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It's the directorate that just makes sure the organization keeps humming.
They make sure that people get paid on time and
that you know, the janitors have enough cleaning fluid to
make sure that the sub basement is cleaned on a
regular basis. All right. That's the Director of Administration. Then
there's the Directorate of Science and Technology, and all I'm

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going to say about them is they're the ones who
make sure that the great polaroid in the sky is
in good operating condition.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
All right.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Then there's the Director of Intelligence. The Director of Intelligence
is composed of an army of analysts drawn from all
quarters of American academia who sit and they write position
papers for policymakers at the White House on any and

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every national security subject you can conceivably think of. It
goes by the acronym the DDI, the Deputy Directorate for Intelligence.
The final part of the CIA is the Directorate of Operations,
otherwise known as the d O, the National Clandestine Service.

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That's where I worked. That's what people think of as
the spies on the street. And when you work for
the agency, but especially when you work in the d
O and then you retire after you know, I was
in for well over ten years, almost fifteen. When you retire,
you sign a small stack of papers, including papers that

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say if I ever write anything and you know, try
and get it printed, or I want to make a movie,
or I try and write a screenplay, or I write
a play, I agree that I will let the CIA
Publication Review Division review it for the leak of potentially
any classified information before I publish it. And if you

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go ahead and publish something without letting the agency review it,
you have automatically handed their lawyers the right to sue
you for any money you ever make from such an effort.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Wow. All right.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
So I had to send the manuscript in the year
before last, because I pretty much wrapped it up in
December of twenty twenty four, and I sent it in
and a couple of months later I got it back
and there was information, especially in chapter four, that they said,

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here's the information that you have to either change some
of the names, you have to change some of the dates,
or you cannot publish chapter four. And I'm thinking myself,
h fudge, that's you know, that's when he was in
Czechoslovakia and then in the Western Soviet Union, actually in

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the in Ukraine. So I did as they asked me
to do. I changed a couple of names, and I
changed a couple of dates in that chapter. I can
only assume there was something about the names and the
dates that the CIA was afraid was going to reveal
something about intelligence sources and methods. They are paranoid about

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people inadvertently or deliberately releasing information about classified sources of
intelligence collection and methods of intelligence collection. And it goes
by the abbreviation of sources and methods. So you know,
they made me. You know, it was a very stark,
very stark choice, take out or change it, or they

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wouldn't let chapter four be published. So is what it is.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Since you brought up the CIA, Malcolm, one of our
listeners has asked that there were rumors that farther Martin
may have had intelligence connections, possibly even with the CIA.
From what you know, is there any credibility based on
those claims?

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Well, I can say I can say for a fact
that father Martin was not in any way officially connected
with the Central Intelligence Agency. I can go one step further.
I can say he was not connected with the American
intelligence community, whether it's the National Security Agency, the FBI,

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the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency. He was
not connected to or employed by any of them. That
does not mean he didn't cooperate with them. When back
in nineteen ninety five when Pope John Paul two visited

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the United States, he actually helped me put together some
of the counter terrorism planning in the northeastern part of
the United States for the Holy Father because the Secret
Service was having some trouble with the Archdiocese of Newark,

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New Jersey, and they were becoming rather exasperated about it.
And they came to me and they said, you know,
because I was the CIA liaison for counter terrorism to
the Secret Service, and they asked me. They said, you know,
look this Archbishop McCarrick, who was later defrocked because of

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his let's just say, wicked activities, you know, they said,
Archbishop McCarrick, he's just frustrating us at every turn. What
do we do? And I said, let me see what
I can do. I called up Malachi and he said,
have the Secret Service special Agent in charge responsible meet
you and me for lunch the day after tomorrow on

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the upper East side of Manhattan, and we did. We
sat down and the Secret Service agent told him, look,
not for nothing, but you know, we're working at cross
purposes with regard to this Archbishop McCarrick over in Newark.
You know, he's driving us nuts because he was introducing

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elements into the Pope's itinerary and visit and disclosing information
that was compromising the Holy Father's security. So MALICKI said,
let me see what I can do. Meet me back
here next Tuesday at one o'clock for lunch, and I'll
let you know what I've found out. And what Malackie

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did was he contacted Vatican security in Rome and he
was able to completely cut out Archbishop McCarrick and his
functionaries out of not the Pope's visit, because the Pope
had to meet with Archbishop McCarrick when he came to

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the city, but as far as meaningful elements of the
planning for the visit from that moment on, the archbishop
was cut out. So you know, Malachi Malachi had connections
within the Vatican also personally for me back in nineteen

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ninety five, in June of ninety five, I went to
Italy and I told Malachi that a friend of mine
had done a beautiful painting of the Virgin Mary, and
I wanted to present it to the Holy Father. And
Malachi arranged it so that when I went to Rome

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in late June, I was able to attend a semi
private audience with the Pope and present him with this artwork.
And I did. I've got the pictures to prove it.
It's in the book. There's no way I would have
gotten that kind of access to meet the Holy Father
if Malachi hadn't arranged.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
It for me. Do you discuss in the book? It
seems like Father Martin often spoke about the Third Secret
of Fatima in a way that suggested that he knew
more than was actually released by the Vatican in two thousand.
In your conversations with him, did he ever explicitly reveal
what he believed? Well, and I'm that I'm sure you
can't reveal it.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
But well, first off, I'd be lying if I said
I knew it. Yeah, all right, because when it was
supposed to be revealed in nineteen sixty the Virgin in
nineteen seventeen told the children. The Virgin told the children
that the secret is to be revealed by the Holy

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Father in nineteen sixty and published for the world to read.
And the Pope of nineteen sixty was John the twenty third.
He took one look at the secret and he said,
this does not refer to our time, and it does
not refer to my pontificate, and he declined to publish
the secret. Now, I remember the times when Malachi and

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I would discuss this, and I would say, you know,
mal not for nothing, but if the Mother of God
told me to do something and I decided I knew
better than her and decided not to do it. And
you know, I had the kind of friendship with Malachi
where we could be very direct with each other, all right.

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So I don't think I'll scandalize anyone in your audience
when I say this. But I said, Malachi, even though
it was the Pope, all right, how in the world
could he give the finger to the Mother of God
and think that he knew better than her? I mean seriously,

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And you know Malachi would roar with lafe after when
I would say things put them like that, and he
said that, you know. Cardinal Roncollig John the twenty thirty
says he was getting ready to do the planning for
his second Vatican Council, and it was going to be

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a great ecumenical council, and he wanted representatives there from
the Protestant Churches, other faiths, the Eastern Orthodox Churches, the
Russian Orthodox Church, and the KGB of Nikita. Khrushchev said, fine,
if you want some of our representatives at your Vatican Council,

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we can arrange that. We just want something in return,
And the Vatican said, what's that? And the Soviets said, well,
we know that you're probably when you have this council,
you're probably going to condemn the Soviet Marxist Leninist party state.
And if you do that, we can't allow any of

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our clergy to attend your Vatican Council. So if you,
in your council and your concilier documents drop any mention
of condemning Soviet Communism or Marxism, then we'll let two
of our clergymen attend your Vatican Council. And they knew.

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Malachi said that if they published the Third Message of
Fatima and consecrated Russia, that not only would the Soviets
have not sent any Russian Orthodox Church representatives to the Council,
but that the Soviets and Nikita Khrushchev would have taken
that act the consecration of the Soviet Union and Russia

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to the Immaculate Art of Mary and the publication of
what was in the Third Secret. They would have taken
that as an open declaration of war on Soviet Russia
by the Roman Catholic Church. And they were afraid. The
people in the Vatican were afraid that it would involve
a great worldwide persecution of the Church wherever the Church

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was oppressed by a communist government. Now. But Malachie told me,
he said that for them, for them to cower and
shirk away from their duty as men of faith, he said,
the argument was made to them, if the Virgin Mary
told you to do this, all right, it's because her
son has a plan that the Lord Jesus is not

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going to irresponsibly tell you to undertake some great act
on the part of the Pope and all the bishops
of the Church of the world at one time that
would leave open millions upon millions of innocent believers to
be slaughtered through no fault of their own, by communist authorities.

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The Lord Jesus Christ has a plan, and they decided
they knew better that they were more sophisticated than because
after all, what was the Virgin Mary?

Speaker 3 (26:11):
All right?

Speaker 4 (26:13):
A simple Galilean mother from two thousand years ago. So no,
it was quite controversial. One of the things that was
that he did tell me was in the Third Secret,
was something that the late Luigi Cardinal Chiappi, was actually
a fairly liberal cardinal, also said was in the Third Secret,

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and that the great apostasy in the Roman Catholic Church
would begin at the very top of the church. That's
in the Third Secret. That's wild it is.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
And your discussions with Father Martin sure, out of all
the exorcisms that he took part in, was there any
one particular one that was more intense and personally challenging
for him?

Speaker 4 (26:57):
I would have to say there were. It was not
just one. There were a couple, and they were the
ones we did a motion picture about ten years ago
called Hostage to the Devil.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yes, sir, I'm familiar with it all.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Right, And did you get a chance to see it, Carl, Yes, sir, sir. Okay,
you know there was the reference made in there to
the exorcism of the Young child.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
And that one bothered me. Did that ever take place?

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Because I know, oh, oh, it took place. Yes, it
certainly did. Not only did it take place, but it
actually took several years. It was not a one and
done or a one weekend done. It took several years
and the child was eventually liberated from the demonic spirit.

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But it was when Malachi and I drove up to
the forensic psychiatrist's residence up in Connecticut where he conducted
an exhaust interview of the child. In the presence of
the psychiatrist, you know, I asked him as we drove
back to Manhattan, I said, do you think she's she's

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afflicted in that way? And he said, oh, yes, she is,
There's no doubt in my mind. And he was saddened
and angry because the child was only about four and
a half years old. Yeah, that one, you know, he said,
she could have done. She has not yet reached the
age of reason where she can understand the real difference

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between good and evil, you know, to make a rational
choice for either. And yet she's afflicted in this way.
So he was saddened and angry at the same time.
And he said that was one of the things that
you know, really really disconcerted him very much because he
said that there were there were and it was permitted

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by the will of God. He said, because none of
this happens without the permission of the will of God,
what he called God's permissive will. That there were certain
demons let loose from Hell in our lifetime that had
never left Hell since the fall of the angels, but

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they've been really they've been set loose in our time.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, that one bothered me, like you say, specifically because
the age of the child and the effects of it,
you know.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Oh yeah, I mean, you know, I drove him up there,
and I was supposed to get there an hour early,
drop him off and then you know, head off to
a diner with a book. And it turns out that,
you know, we we got there just as soon as
the family did, and that was not supposed to happen.
And you know, this this child, she had a preternatural

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sensibility about her. You know, she walked right up to
father Malachi and she, you know, she spoke to him
like like she was an adult, creepy. And then several
hours later, when I went back to pick him up,
to drive him back to Manhattan. He went over to
the family's suv and she put the window down where

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she was seated in a child seat in the back seat,
and she put the window down, and I remember she
blew him a very lascivious kiss, like a prostitute might
blow to a john. And it was just extremely disturbing,
extremely disturbing.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
That whole situation to me was disturbing. And I'm glad,
you know, she was liberated.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah, And it also the reason why I say it
was one of the more challenging exorcisms was also because
although she was liberated after Malachi passed away, the demon
that was afflicting her very likely played a part in

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bringing about Malachie's death about six weeks later.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, I was curious of that myself.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
He and I were supposed to go to dinner for
our respective birthdays. Our birthdays were only separated from each other,
all right, by two days, July twenty third, July twenty fifth.
All right, So instead of like exchanging gifts or anything
like that. You know, they're the kind of there's the
kind of people that you just becomes either friends or family,

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but you become so close with them that you really
don't exchange gifts, that just sitting down for a good
meal is good enough, and that's what we would do.
And he called me up because he said he was
going to he was going to give me a call
to confirm that we'd be able to get together for
our birthday dinner. And he said, I'm not gonna be

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able to make it for dinner. His voice sounded strained,
and I said, you know why not? I said, is
everything okay? He said, well, I've taken a bit of
a tumble. It seems that old Scratch was not very
happy when we went up to Connecticut last month. And
then I heard a commotion behind him and he said, uh,

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the people from the ambulance a here. I've got to go.
And those are the last words he ever said to me.
He slipped into a coma in the hospital and I
never exchanged another word with him again.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
He was on a step still or something, wasn't he
And he.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Pushed, he was? He was? He was on a step
stool and he was reaching for a book in he
He lived in a small, very tiny studio apartment within
the much larger, I would dare say, palatial apartment at
was it six' Eleven east sixth Third, street and it

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was owned by The levano's, family, wealthy Wealthy greek shipping.
Family and he was like one of the, family like
the live in priest slash. Grandfather and he had a
very tiny studio apartment within their overall suite of. Apartments
and he was reaching for a book up on a,

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shelf and he told me that one of his feet
was shoved out from underneath, him and he fell and
he struck his head on the corner of his of
his oak, desk and that led to a traumatic brain.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Bleed that's really, sad it is it, is you, know.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
It's it's tough to believe that this coming summer he'll
be gone twenty seven, years because IF i think about,
it it's like it happened just.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Yesterday you were, close And i'm sure it affected you.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Greatly, also, Well i'll tell you if he AND, i you,
know we'd get together for lunch or dinner a, lot
and we didn't always go, to you, know elegant. Restaurants
he loved The isle Of capri right On Third avenue In,
MANHATTAN i think it's Third avenue in sixty First, STREET i,

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mean very and the family there loved. Him it was
a very, expensive very Elegant italian. Restaurant he was just
as happy sitting down in a greasy spoon diner for
a plate of eggs or a. Burger one, time he
AND i were having lunch and one such diner around
the corner from him On Lexington, avenue and one of
the youngs waitresses who worked, there they knew him as Doctor,

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martin and he AND i were having lunch and she,
said Doctor, martin is Is Robert?

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Is?

Speaker 4 (34:51):
That is he your? Son and he gave a chuckle
and he, said, no. Ma'am he, said but HAD i
ever had a, Son i'd like to think he would
have been a lot Like. Robert and AND i just
looked at. HER i, Said, malachi you keep this. Up
you Know i've already got a healthy. Ego you keep this,
up my head won't fit out the door when we.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Leave he'd have to adopt, you.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Bingo so you, know because you, know one THING i
THINK i mentioned in the book somewhere that he was
A he was a combination for. Me he was a
combination surrogate, grandfather, definitely best, friend and spiritual director all.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
Rolled up into.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
One, well it sounds to me LIKE i would have
got along great with him, too Because i'm not A
oh you would have a high class restaurant type, person.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
You would. HAVE i, mean you, know sometimes he AND
i were never more happy than we were when we
were digging through a mountain of Hot french fries talking,
about you, know the politics of the.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Day some believe That martin had access to high level
geopolitical information that went beyond. Theology do you think he
was simply well connected within church circles or was there something?

Speaker 4 (36:15):
More, NO i think there's. SOMETHING i think it was something.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
MORE i DO.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
I, know for, EXAMPLE i know THAT i was not
the only person within THE us national security establishment that
he was in touch. With he was in touch with
people from the military. Services if he was in touch
with anyone from other intelligence services within THE us, government

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he didn't tell, me and, FRANKLY i wouldn't expect him.
TO i do know that he was part of an
elite group in The vatican THAT i believe at the
time was reported into The. Pope may have been through

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The secretariat Of, state But i'm not. Sure BUT i
know That malachi was the head Of vatican intelligence for
The United, states, so and in that, role he would
have had access to quite a few interesting.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
People coming back to the question earlier from a listener he,
has the second party, says did Father martin ever address
the intelligence rumors directly with you, either you, know to
explain how they, began like THE cia.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Connection, Yeah i'm not being obtuse how the rumors of
his connections with THE cia or any other intelligence, service
how that? Began, yes, OKAY i THINK i can answer.
That he started off in the early nineteen forties as A,

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jesuit and he was what's called A jesuit, scholastic meaning
he was involved in a program of study as A.
Jesuit and this is the Old, jesuits not the, uh
not the light in the loafers crowd you. Have, now

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these were the old Hardcore, jesuits and they had to
pick an area of study and they would excel in.
It and he spoke and could read twelve different. Languages
that's a lot of different. Languages, YEAH i do good
just to Read. English, WELL i was gonna, SAY i
do good IF i can remember WHAT i had for

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dinner last.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Night, yeah, exactly all, Right but.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
You, know Not, malachi he just had that. Gift he
just he had that, gift and The jesuits saw that
and they trained. Him he got he had three. Doctorates
he had a doctorate FROM i Believe oxford In. London

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he had a doctorate from The university Of louvain In.
Belgium and he had a doctorate From Hebrew university In.
Jerusalem and that one was in Ancient semitic, languages spoken
and written languages of the Ancient hebrews around the time

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of the Prophet. Abraham and because he had to spend
time in The Sinai peninsula on his back deciphering cave
scribblings that were written by These. HEBREWS i, mean these
would have Been hebrews who had been freed by The,

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pharaoh you, know the whole let my people go. Thing
they would have been freed by The, pharaoh and in
their wanderings through the Sun a, peninsula they left scratchings
and you, know writings and caves and things like. That
he was he was deciphering them and recording. Them he
was one of the first people to assist in the

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deciphering of The Dead Sea scrolls when they were discovered
in the late nineteen. Forties he was a brilliant, man
and you, know he became ordained a priest in nineteen fifty.
Four he became disillusioned with The jesuits over the course
of the next ten years because he saw that more

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and more they were embracing Social, marxism and they were
getting ready as far as transcendent elements of faith, go
they were getting ready to throw the baby out with the,
bathwater so to. Speak so he received from the post
in nineteen sixty, four he received what's called a rescript

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which released him from several of his vows as A jesuit.
Priest he was released from his vow of obedience so
he could actually leave The jesuit. Order he was relieved
of his vow of poverty so he could earn a
living in the private sector in the west outside Of.

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Rome and he was still bound to his vow of
chastity as A catholic, priest and he kept that vow
until he. Died he was never unfaithful to, it you,
know no matter what some of the yellow journalism at
the time wanted to, insinuate.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Well especially with that gentleman in houstage to the. DEVIL
i think he just had a bone to. Pick, oh
he was.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Bitter but you know, what you know what they don't
what they don't tell you what we couldn't. Say in
the the Documentary hostage to The devil was That Robert
Blair kaiser in the nineteen, sixties while he was a
correspondent For time magazine In rome during The Vatican, council
he had a severe alcohol. Problem he was an alcoholic

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and when an intervention was staged by some of His jesuit,
friends one of whom Was malachi All. Right another was
another Liberal, jesuit Father vincent O'Keefe who later became the
head of all The jesuits in The United states in the,
seventies And Father John Courtney murray sj Another. Jesuit they

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staged an intervention at the request Of Robert kaiser's wife
because his alcoholism was getting out of. Control he was
actually confined to what we can charitably call a sanitarium
where he was diagnosed by a psychiatrist with what at

(43:04):
the time was referred to as paranoid. Schizophrenia that explains a, lot,
Right and the thing, is although there were three or
Four jesuits who staged the intervention at his wife's. Request
he only held a grudge Against Malachi. Martin the other

(43:24):
three he let off without a. Word do you want
to know why they were all flaming liberals the.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Way he, Was, oh, well there you.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Go and in his, mind if he said anything bad about,
them he would have broken the cardinal rule of left
wing secular or religious, politics and that is thou shalt
not criticize a fellow. Liberal it was open season On Malachi.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Martin it still takes place, today, too didn't.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
It, yes it.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Does do you have any insights To martin's influences within
The vatican and a Broader Catholic.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Church, oh, yeah. ABSOLUTELY i don't know what your religious background, Is,
Carl but right now there's a lot of, people especially
in the wake of the Past, OH i guess it
was the past twelve years of the pontificate Of Pope.
FRANCIS a lot of people who were more traditionally oriented

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in terms of Their christian belief in The Catholic, church
they became concerned That Pope, francis his pontificate was seriously
going off the. Rails and that's putting it. Mildly and you,
Know malachi said, that you, know one of the things
that would end up saving The Catholic church would be

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the Traditional Latin. Mass you know what they call smells
and Bills, catholicism but is much more than. That the
Traditional Latin mass is a very vertical act of Worshiping
god because As, catholics Traditional catholics believe that when A

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mass is said validly That christ is not crucified. Again
that's a. Heresy what we believe is that the crucifixion
Of Jesus, christ because he was True god and true
man at the same, time that when he died on the,
cross his redemptive sacrifice on the cross As god exists in. Eternity,

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yes it took place at a moment in time two
thousand years, ago but it lives on in eternity Because
jesus Is. God and we believe that when a Valid
Catholic mass takes, place the priest under the sign of
bread and wine makes that exact sacrifice present upon the

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altar in a bloodless. Manner jesus is not sacrificed. Again
the sacrifice from two thousand years ago is mystically made
present at The Catholic. Mass that all changed in nineteen
seventy With Pope paul the, sixth and that led to

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priests taking it upon themselves to basically experiment with as
many forms of the mass as you can probably think,
of you, know and probably the least controversial of those
were the the often mocked guitar. Masses because now we

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have balloon, masses we have, masses we have clown, masses
we have giant puppet. Masses you, know every sort of
liturgical abuse you can think, of we've got it. Somewhere
and you, Know, Malachi malachi just thought that this irreverence

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towards the central act of worship instituted By christ at
The Last, supper that because it was denigrated to the
nth degree in the nineteen, seventies, eighties and, nineties that you,
know it would have a profoundly negative spiritual effect On western.

(47:40):
Society and a lot of people would make the would
make the argument he was. RIGHT i would be one of. Them,
YEAH i BELIEVE i would.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Be. Two there's your new book addressed the themes of
secrecy and power within The.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
Vatican, yes but only to the effect THAT i talk
in chapter. Four AND i don't want to describe chapter
four too much for the benefit of any listeners who
may not yet have read the book and may like
to in the. Future, yes it talks to how The

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Catholic church deals with governments that are very repressive and
hostile towards. Faith and that chap chapter, four it's called
in The Devil's, dungeon and it was one of the
couple times Where malachi told me that he genuinely feared
for his, life that he thought there was an actual

(48:37):
chance he was going to. Die and it is wrapped
up in the premise of your. QUESTION i don't know
if that answers it or, not but.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Yes, sir yeah it. Does do you feel Doctor martin's
writings and perspectives resonate with today's religious and political culture very?

Speaker 4 (48:52):
Much, so very much. So you, know the funny thing
is a lot of, people AND i, mean you, Know,
malachie if you can hear, me you, KNOW i, mean
you no. DISRESPECT a lot of people back in the
eighties and nineties called him a wing, nut all, right
and now they call him a. Prophet now they call
him a. Prophet they they go back and they read

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the books he wrote between nineteen eighty and nineteen ninety,
seven and you, know they sit back and they think
after they finish the, book they're, like my, god everything
he wrote about has come to pass. Everything and they're,
right everything he wrote about has come to.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Pass but what role do you Think martin's background as
A jesuit priest play in shaping his views and his. Controversies,
WELL i think it.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Didn't it didn't so much affect his views and controversies
so in the sense of adding, to, causing or multiply
the effect of any of. Them his being A. Jesuit you,

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know he he was a, polyglot all, Right he knew
so much ABOUT i, mean he didn't just study. Theology he,
studied LIKE i, said ancient. Languages he studied, astrophysics he,
studied you, know applied, psychology he studied. Mathematics the old School,

(50:26):
jesuits they were encouraged to be the absolute best of the,
best and there was not a field of endeavor that
when A jesuit decided to apply himself to, that he
did not excel At one EXAMPLE i can give is
the celebrated mid twentieth century, poet, well early twentieth century

(50:51):
Poet Gerard Manley. Hopkins All, right a lot of, people you,
know they hear his, name and they're, like, oh, yes
insanely intellectual and beautiful. Poetry but what they don't realize
Is Gerard Manley hopkins Was Gerard Manley, HOPKINS. Sj A jesuit,
priest and his field of endeavor was in the field

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of the so called romance, arts including. Poetry and when
A jesuit took that, up they excelled at. It they
were better than anybody. Else so you Know malachi for,
example His malachi's favorite physical sport Was olympic style, fencing
and he was, very very good at. It he studied

(51:38):
at a fencing academy In New York, city AND i
believe his sort of. CHOICE i believe it was the rape,
yer But i'm not. Sure but in my, BOOK i
have pictures of him when he was learning fencing at
this fencing, academy and that doesn't surprise me at, all
because you, know if anyone challenged him on, anything you,

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know with his razor sharp, intellect he could slice them
to ribbons with, words just as easily as if he
held a sword in his.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Hand he was an amazing, man wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
He, oh he was. Incredible he was.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Incredible are there any specific moments in the book that
do you think will surprise anyone that were familiar with Doctor.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Martin, yes And i'm not going to say what they.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Are, well that's fair.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
Enough, no but, no But i'm not pardon My, French
i'm not trying to be a print or.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Anything, NO i, UNDERSTAND i, mean you, know.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
But, yes there's a couple of vignettes that people who
think they know him will realize that when they get
to the end of a couple of, chapters will realize
that there was a very holy humanizing element to, him
and a very holy and warm humanizing element to him

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that they didn't see. Coming AND i think they'll have
a newfound respect for. HIM i don't want to SAY
i took it for. Granted it was Just. Malachi to.
Me it was just just another aspect of who he,
was you. Know but, yes they when they're done the,
book you, know they'll put it down and hopefully they'll

(53:26):
come away with a new. Appreciation in, fact MAY i
ask a? Favor, yes, sir uh stop calling. Me you're
making me feel, old, dude you really.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Are apology Rob, Okay i'm, sorry.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Put yourself in our bell shoes, Anyway but, Anyway, no
if anyone reads the book and if they enjoy, it
hopefully they do enjoy, it but if they would kindly
write a review On, amazon Because i'm finding out the
hard way that the, books it's not necessarily the, sales

(54:04):
but how the book is ranked lives and dies in
Its amazon review. Algorithms you, KNOW i never. KNEW i
never knew any of this stuff before because never really
wrote books. BEFORE i only wrote one book before this. One,
so And i'm just very grateful this book About Malachi
martin became a.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Bestseller, well So i'm glad that it. Did AND i
would definitely get a. Copy LIKE i, Say i've had
some issues recently and haven't been able to.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Yet but, oh let me ask. You have you not
gotten a copy of the book?

Speaker 6 (54:37):
Yet?

Speaker 3 (54:37):
NO i. Haven't, oh then.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
What you can do, is since you've got my, email
send me your mailing address And i'll just send you
a personalized.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Copy CAN i get a Signed that's What i'm.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
Saying i'llalize it to.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
YOU i appreciate. That it's.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Fantastic, yeah Because i've Got i've got several review copies left,
over and because this is technically a media. APPEARANCE i
can send you one of.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Them, WELL i appreciate that. Greatly my situation was back
In august of last, year the transmission went out in my,
vehicle and while it was in the, shop the vehicle
was broken into and they stole everything out of, it
including the, dash instrument, cluster, controls. Everything So i've been

(55:26):
trying to get everything back, together if you know WHAT i.
Mean so that's kind of put me in a buying
BUT i do appreciate. That i'd be.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Happy To I've i've GOT i know exactly where they are.
Downstairs i'll grab. One i'll throw it into a priority
mail envelope On monday and get it off to.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
You thank, you. Sir how did you balance the line
between biography and investigative journalism in this, Book.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
Well that was easy because there was not a whole
lot of investigative. Journalism the book is more or the
book is more memoir than anything. Else the book is
primarily my memories of, him as well as my memories
of specific events in his life that he told me,

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about like about the time when he was arrested by
The communist secret police In czechoslovakia in nineteen fifty. Eight
he told me about. That he walked me through what,
happened chapter and.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Verse i'm sure that was an. Experience what for me to,
hear for him to undergo, well for him to undergo,
in for you to, hear.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Yes, Yes and that's why you, know that's the part
in the book where he was consecrated a secret bishop
of The Roman Catholic church and the people who were
involved in consecrating him a. Bishop that's some of the
infram THAT i had to modify because IF i did

(57:03):
not agree to modify, it THE cia would have made
me take the chapter out of the. Book, Ah SO i, figured,
okay we'll swap this cleric in for this cleric and
this bishop for this. Bishop but you'd be. SURPRISED a
couple of, people you, know who are you know WHAT
i would call insanely diligent bean counters have, said, well

(57:25):
wait a, Minute archbishop so and so wasn't technically a
bishop till nineteen fifty. Nine and you said he did
this in nineteen fifty. Eight so, oh the whole book
is a. Fabrication one. Star you, Know i'm, thinking you,
know like you, know people like. THAT i want to
tell you know, what why don't you drive down To

(57:48):
route one twenty three In, Langley, virginia pull up to
the main gate of The Central Intelligence, agency park your
car in the little visitors, area march up to the
uniformed federal protective officer behind the plate, glass and demand
to see the archives for. Yourself let me know how

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that works out for, you.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Exactly, yeah you.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
Know but the thing, IS i. CAN'T i can't challenge these,
people and you know people are going to do what
they want to. Do so you, Know i'm just like
WHATEVER i wrote the, book my conscience is. Clear and
the thing, is it's not just my conscience is clear with.
MYSELF i, mean for crying out, LOUD i wrote it
about a. Priest, OKAY i have To my conscience has

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to be clear Before god as.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Well you, know, yes, sir you Know i'm. Sorry i'm, yes.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Rob, no, no come, On.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
I'm from The. South you know everything's yes, sir and
no ma'am and no.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Worries just as long as you just as long as
you don't say WHEN i say something and you don't, answer,
well rob bless your, heart BECAUSE i know what that.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Means, NO i don't use that.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
One so what else is on your. Mind we're on
a roll, Here carl' go for.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
It, well is there anything that you would like to
let the audience know that's in this. BOOK i know
you don't want to go too in detail or they
wouldn't have to buy the, book but other subjects you
cover in the book that they would find interesting about Doctor, Martin,
yes he.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Was very graced when he was a young. Child he
grew up in the very Tiny irish seaside town of Bally, Lungford,
ireland and back in it was either the nineteen forties
or the nineteen, fifties there was a musical Called brigadoon

(59:52):
that was made into a very famous movie about these
CONTEMPORARY i think they Were americans who were on a
visit To, scotland AND i forget the actual mechanics of the,
story but they wandered through a fog in the forest or.

(01:00:12):
Something they came upon this village that only came into
existence once every three hundred, years Called, brigadoon and it,
was you, know it was a mythical place where you,
know all of the best elements of you, know classic
seventeenth Century scotland came into existence for one day and

(01:00:35):
These americans fell in love with two girls who lived
in the, village and they found that they they couldn't
pursue the love affair they had with them because the
girls couldn't leave the village and the men couldn't. Stay
and it was an idyllic village that represented the best
of anything ever anyone ever said About. Scotland And malachi

(01:01:02):
told me that's what growing up in Bally lungford was.
Like and he told me that when he would go
to church On. Sunday and a lot of people Think
Malachi martin was a died in the wool. Irishman i'll
let you in on a secret that's gonna maybe probably
cause a couple of old ladies to spit up their.

(01:01:22):
Tea his father was An. Englishman his father was An
englishman From, london and he was an obstetrics and guynecology,
doctor an. Obgyn, well this is an interesting little. Factoid
All christians believe that one of the things that baptism does,

(01:01:47):
is you, know every person who's born into this world
is tainted by original. Sin and one of the things
baptism does is it removes the stain of original sin
from the fall Of Adam Well, Malicki martin's. Mother she
had a very difficult pregnancy and she had a lot

(01:02:11):
of trouble when time came to deliver the. Child you
got to, remember you, know she's married to an obg
y n. Right, yes well he Was malicki was what
they would call these days of breech. Birth they were
not sure that he was going to survive being, born

(01:02:31):
so he was baptized all right by his father in,
utero meaning while he was still within his mother's. Tummy
his father baptized the, baby thinking that the baby might
be born. Dead, well the baby was delivered very much.
Alive but because the baby was baptized in, utero he

(01:02:57):
when he entered this, world he entered this world free
of the stain of original. Sin whereas everybody else who
is born and then you, know gets baptized in church
with their uncles and godmothers and aunts and cousins and
everything watching now so they can hear the baby. Scream you,

(01:03:19):
know the baby is, born you, know tainted by original.
Sin and then they go and you know they have
a big ring dang do with the church and there's.
Baptism then the baby is part of The christian, family,
right but he entered the world as a Baptized christian.
Already and he told me that when he was a young,
boy and WHEN i say, YOUNG i mean like five years,

(01:03:42):
old he would go to church On sunday and the
whole family would get dressed in Their sunday best and
they would go to. Church and there's a there's a
part of The Catholic, mass and they still have it New,
mass but it was much more dignified in the, older

(01:04:05):
the Old latin, rite where the priest when he would
hold up the consecrated host right before, communion he would
say In, latin behold The lamb Of god who takes
away the sins of the, world or In latin etch
anyus day quitole PEKATA mundi behold The lamb Of god

(01:04:27):
who takes away the sins of the. World and the
people in the congregation they respond with the prayer of
The Roman centurion from The. Gospel do you remember what
The Roman centurion Told. Jesus when The Roman centurion told Our,
lord he, said you, know my servant is. DYING i

(01:04:49):
would like, YOU i would like you to cure my.
Servant And, jesus knowing that this man was a. Pagan
roman turned to his disciples and, SAID i have not
yet found such strong faith among the children Of. Israel
and then he turned back to the, centurion said take

(01:05:09):
me to your house to your. Servant and the centurion, Said,
lord it's not necessary that you come to my house
to cure my. Servant all you have to do is
say the, word and my servant will be. Healed and
that has made its way through the past two thousand.

(01:05:30):
Years in The Catholic, mass when the priest, says behold
the lamb Of god who takes away the sin of the,
world and the people respond With, Lord i'm not worthy
to receive, you but only say the word AND i
shall be. Healed, Well maliki told me that when he

(01:05:50):
was a young, boy as a little, child the priest
at that moment would hold the consecrated host up to
show it to the congregation above the. Chalice and he,
said every time the priest did, that the, host the
consecrated host would be surrounded by a very, soft luminous golden.

(01:06:14):
Glow and he just, thought the way little children, Do,
oh that's The jesus that mommy And daddy are always
telling me. About AND i Asked. MALACHIE i, said, well
you never told anybody about? This and he looked at
me and he said. No AND i, said why why
didn't you tell anyone about? This and he, Said, rob

(01:06:37):
you have to REMEMBER i was only. FIVE i thought
everybody saw. That it wasn't anything out of the ordinary for.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
ME i just.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
Naturally assumed that WHAT i was seeing everybody else was seeing, too.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
And it was just, him and it was just. Him
the book has been a best. Seller but how's the
reception been so far from both religious audience and circular.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Readers, WELL i think so far it's up around one
hundred and forty one hundred and fifty reviews On, amazon
and you're you're correct that it's been a best. Seller
very very gratified about. That i'm sure my publisher's gratified about.
That and out of one hundred and forty, reviews out

(01:07:22):
of five possible, stars it's wavered back and forth between
four point seven and four point eight stars out of.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Five that's nothing to complain, about is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
It, No, no it's, not LIKE i. Said there've been
a couple of people who they've seen what they see
as a couple of. Inaccuracies they leap to the conclusion
that it's fabricated, information and they give it one star and,
say nice collection of fairy tales you got, Here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Geez there's always one in the, crowd isn't?

Speaker 6 (01:07:55):
It of?

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
Course of, Course but you know what you can't you,
Know it's LIKE i Asked malachi, once when you know
his one of his books was published and someone came
out and absolutely ripped it to. Shreds and they didn't
really have anything substantive to rip it to shreds. On

(01:08:16):
they were JUST i don't, know maybe jealous that they
couldn't write as well as he. Did AND i, said
how do you not respond when people are throwing this
kind of garbage at something you spent eight months of
your life working? On and he told me something THAT i,
now as an, author have to kind of take the heart.

(01:08:36):
Myself he, said remember when people reach down to throw
mud at, you it's because mud is all they.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
Have that's a perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Quote it, is it. Is it's it's a perfect. Quote
but you know, what it's it's right on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Target it, is especially in the target this day and.
Age it's it's you, know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
Of, Course i'll tell You i'll give you one more
thing that's kind of surreal about having written a book
About Malachie, martin and it will give you a little
bit of, insight all right into his enduring, popularity not
just of him as a priest and as a controversial,

(01:09:24):
priest but as an, author as A vatican and geopolitical.
Expert within one month of me publishing my book About Malachie,
martin there appeared On amazon at least three or four other,
books which are still. Available you can look them. Up

(01:09:45):
just type In Malachi martin On amazon dot. Com and
there appeared three or four other books that purport to
tell the story of the Real Malachi. Martin and what
it's obvious these people have done is, they you, know
they went to like SOME ai program Like rock or,

(01:10:08):
something and they whipped up An internet scrub of all
basic information they could come up with About Malickie, martin
and then, they you, know put it through AN ai
program to, say let's make this as, sexy lurid and
controversial as, possible and they threw it up On. AMAZON i,

(01:10:29):
mean there's books that purport to be About Malachi martin
now On, amazon in which the priest on the front
cover is not Even Malachi.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Martin probably AN ai rendition of who knows who of?

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
Who, yeah. Exactly in, FACT i just saw another book
today and this one takes the. Cake someone actually wrote a,
book probably based on my, book and the title of
their book Is Robert Morrow Junior's Secret insights Into Malachi.

(01:11:02):
Martin Good i'm not. KIDDING i WISH i. Was and
then people have written biographies of, me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Of me AND i don't even know, you And i'm.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
Like but, Yeah but the, point the POINT i want to, Make,
carl is, why why why did you feel the need
to write a biography of? ME i, mean the people
who know me best could probably sum my life up
in three or four type, pages and you felt the

(01:11:37):
need to write a hundred page book about. WHAT i, mean,
seriously what about my days on tour with The Rolling?
STONES i, mean come, on.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Somebody trying to make a quick.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
BOOK i, know but it's you know what it. Is
it's just surreal because you, know you, go you want
to anim dot com and you look at this and
you realize someone actually went to the effort of writing
a book about, me and it's of COURSE i had
to order one of. Them and Then i'm thinking to
myself after reading, IT i, thought all, right, well you,

(01:12:18):
know if you change the, name and you change the,
picture change a detail here and, there this could probably
be a book about ninety nine percent of anyone Who's,
catholic who ever graduated. College it's that. Generic oh, Boy
but it's funny because, now you, know some of my

(01:12:38):
friends have called me up and, said, Oh, rob the
next time we get, together will you personalize your exciting
biography to? Me And i'm, like, oh go pound sand
because they're doing it to try and get my, goat you.
Know but the funny thing, was you, know WHEN i

(01:12:59):
went to uh visit my mom once and she had
the book sitting on the kitchen table and she's, LIKE
i didn't know you Were So she's, LIKE i didn't
know you were so. Famous i'm, Like, mom the biggest
favorite you could do is just take that book and
throw it in the.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Trash Right. Yeah she said.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
That, yeah but she wouldn't let it. Go she's, like,
oh BUT i didn't KNOW i raised such a famous.
Son i'm, like you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Didn't oh, My do you have any other follow up? Works?

Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
Well not About Malachie. Martin my first novel Was have
you ever seen the old black and white nineteen fifty
one version Of Scrooge alister Sim, yes, okay you, remember
you remember the basic story The three The night of The.
Ghosts the three ghosts visit. Him, well do you remember
the scene when he's with The Jolly, ghost the ghost

(01:13:55):
Of Christmas, present and he's taken to A victorian homeless
shelter by the ghost and he sees the uh he Sees,
Alice And alice is the fiance who gave him back
his engagement ring because he broke her. Heart and he

(01:14:17):
sees her and he falls in love with her, again
and he calls out her, name but she ignores him
because the ghost Tells Ebenezer, scrooge the people you, See
ebeneze are other real. People we are the shadows. Here
But scrooge calls out her name several times because he's
he sees her again after years and he's smitten by.

(01:14:38):
Her and then, well the movie ends the way they all.
End you know that he learned to keep the meaning
Of christmas in his heart every day for the rest
of his. Life Tiny tim did not, die And god blesses.
Everyone well the movie the credits. Roll the movie, ends
and my wife turns to me and she looks at.
Me she, GOES i don't buy. It, like what do

(01:15:01):
you mean you don't buy? It it's a classic Of western.
Literature how do you not buy? It she's, like they
didn't show him going back to apologize To alice at
the homeless shelter where she was. Working if he doesn't
go back and apologize To alice for breaking her, heart
THEN i don't believe he was really really. Converted he

(01:15:24):
didn't have a change of. Heart AND i was, like,
What and she points at, me she, goes there's your.
Novel that's the novel you should. Write three years, later the,
novel three hundred and forty eight, pages the Novel Ebenezer
scrooge and The ghost Of Christmas, love was published By

(01:15:45):
simon And. Schuster that was my debut.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Novel, well it sounds like a good one to.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
Me, well people seem to like, it people seem to enjoy.
It And i'm currently in the process of writing the
sequel to that. Now and the sequel named after one
of the characters in the, book is Named, lavinia and
it takes place during The American Civil.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
War but let me know when it's, Out i'll get a.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
Copy, Well i'm gonna have to, say you're gonna have
to get a copy first Of Ebenezer scrooge and The
ghost Of Christmas, love because Otherwise lavinia won't make any. Sense.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Oh, Yes i'll definitely get that one.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
Also but it's an enjoyable. Book it's an AND i had.
FUN i had fun writing the sequel To, scrooge AND
i got A i actually have a letter from The
Royal academy of The arts In london in which they
certified that, yes to our, knowledge your book is the
only book ever published to address whether or Not Ebenezer

(01:16:48):
scrooge ever found love again after The night of The.
Ghosts and, well one of the archivists there was kind of.
Funny they're, like it figures it would take a yank
to have the balls to think he could do a
good sequel To Charles. Dickens but you know, what it
was very it was very well reviewed. Critically SO i,

(01:17:13):
was in Fact Malicky martin's late literary. Agent she passed
away last, Year Lila karf When Ebenezer scrooge and The
ghost Of Christmas love was, published AND i sent her
a copy of the, book AND i sent her the
copy of the review By Kirkus reviews and she's, Like, Oh,

(01:17:34):
ROB i am so so proud of, you she, said
because you, Know kirkus reviews can be battery acid on
a new, author and they love your. Book AND i, said,
well you, know Maybe malachi's talent for writing a good
book rubbed off on a year and there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Fantastic you know where can people get your? Books? From?
Amazon of?

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
Course, Oh amazon dot, Com barnes And. Noble you can
get it at a barn if they still Have barnes
And noble brick and mortar stores near, them because they're
some larger cities in The United states still have the
Large barnes And noble stores in. Them they typically carry

(01:18:24):
it there or they can order it and you can
pick it up there Or barnesanoble dot, Com amazon dot.
Com you can get the kindle versions of the books
On amazon as well As Google playbooks as.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Well do you have a? WEBSITE i.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
DON'T i don't BECAUSE i find it's just easier to
point people to The amazon.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Pages, well, SIR i know you have an early morning,
appointment but, yeah any final words you would like to
leave the audience.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
WITH i would, say regardless of what, end, whatever anyone's
ever heard About Malachi, martin check any prejudices or preconceived
notions at the, door and give this book an honest.
Read it's available in, kindle hardback and, paperback so you,

(01:19:16):
know and you know It's i've been told it's a
it's an engaging. Read it's not a difficult book to.
Read i've been actually told it's quite. Enjoyable people can
polish it, off depending on whether or not they're a
quick reader in two. Nights and you, KNOW i just

(01:19:37):
hope that it brings them some insight into a man
and a priest WHO i think could legitimately be called
The Indiana jones of The Catholic. Church.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Rob it has been an absolute honor to have you
on this. Evening thank. YOU i appreciate it so, much
AND i hope you have a good evening's rest and
an uneventful meeting tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
Perhaps thank you very. MUCH i appreciate, It, Carl.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Thank you, sir and right you have a good, evening.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
Have a good, night And god BLESS.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
I bless you, Also bye bye bye.

Speaker 6 (01:20:15):
Bye you are.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
FRIENDS a good.

Speaker 7 (01:20:50):
Thing this is Dark Matter. News I'm Joshua. Stark researchers
are developing a new kind of experimental vaccine designed to
provide broad protection against a wide range of respiratory, threats

(01:21:15):
including common, colds seasonal, FLU covid, nineteen and potentially even
future pandemic. Viruses unlike traditional vaccines that train the immune
system to recognize one specific, pathogen this approach aims to
keep the body's frontline defenses in a constant state of,

(01:21:36):
readiness allowing them to respond rapidly to many different. Invaders the,
prototype delivered as a nasal, spray works by mimicking the
chemical alarm signals that the immune system naturally produces during.
Infection in early laboratory studies using, animals the treatment appeared

(01:21:59):
to activate immune cells in the lungs for extended, periods
helping them fend off multiple, viruses, bacteria and even allergic.
Triggers scientists observed that this always on immune alert system
allowed the body to react faster and more broadly than
it would after a conventional pathogen specific. Shot the concept

(01:22:22):
represents a significant shift in vaccine. Design current vaccines typically
target precise features of a, virus which means they can
lose effectiveness as those viruses mutate over. Time by focusing
instead on strengthening the general readiness of immune, defenses the

(01:22:42):
new strategy could potentially eliminate the need for frequent updates
and annual booster. Campaigns catch up with us at darkmatternews dot.

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Beloved Toy crew back while introducing a modern conflict technology
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and their friends facing a new challenge as their child

(01:23:59):
owner becomes absorbed by a high tech, tablet leaving the
toys struggling to stay relevant in a screen dominated. World
footage leans heavily into, nostalgia reuniting classic characters and highlighting
the emotional bond Between woody And Buzz lightyear after their
separation in the previous. Film at the same, time the

(01:24:20):
story introduces new gadget inspired, toys underscoring the theme of
old school imagination versus digital. Entertainment the sequel aims to
blend humor heart with a timely look at how childhood
play is, evolving while reassuring fans that the franchise's core
message is still. There this is Dark matter. News the,

(01:24:42):
pronghorn North america's fastest land, mammal is an evolutionary. Paradox
it can sprint close to sixty miles per, hour and more,
importantly maintain high speeds over long, distances far beyond what
modern predator like wolves or coyotes can. Match scientists have

(01:25:03):
long wondered why the animal evolved such extreme endurance when
nothing alive today can truly chase it. Down the answer
appears rooted in The Lost world and during The Ice,
age pronghorn ancestors shared the planes with a formidable lineup of,
predators Including american, cheetahs sabertooth, cats and dire. Wolves these

(01:25:28):
hunters likely created intense selective, pressure favoring individuals that could
not just run, fast but keep running until their pursuers gave.
Up even after these predators vanished after around twelve thousand years,
ago the pronghorn maintained the speed that once meant. Survival

(01:25:50):
but newer fossil research suggests the story is even. Older
evidence indicates that pronghorn running adaptations began evolving millions of
years before cheetah like predators appeared In North. America that
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(01:26:11):
as far as gave way to wide exposed. Terrain animals
that could travel quickly across long distances gained an advantage
in finding food mates and safe habitat and eat legacy
that continues to define. Life that's it For Dark Matter.
News catch up with us on The Midnight Frequency facebook
page From, Memphis. Tennessee I'm Joshua.

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Stark all those happy days they seem so long to.

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Done welcome back To Midnight Freguancy. Radio our guests next
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