Ron James July 25th 2026 UFO Disclosure and the government coverup

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Speaker 1 (00:35):
Good evening, everyone, and welcome once again to Midnight Fragrancy Radio,
broadcasting to you from the Ozark Foothills of northeast Arkansas.
I'm your host, Carl Richardson. You know, I probably rewrote
tonight's opening half a dozen times, not because I couldn't
think of something to say, but because every version started

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sounding like every other paranormal show out there. You know,
the kind of opening I'm talking about for thousands of years.
What if everything we've been told is a lie. You've
heard it, I've heard it, And to be honest, with
AI becoming more common, it seems like everyone is you.
The truth is none of us have all the answers.

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None of us knows exactly what the governments around the
world know or don't know. Despite decades of eyewitness reports,
military encounters, declassified videos, congressional hearings, whistleblower testimony, documentaries, and
endless debates, we're still left with far more questions than answers.

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But maybe that's exactly what keeps drawing us back. Human
beings are naturally curious. We want to understand the unknown.
We want to separate fact from fiction. We want to
know whether extraordinary claims stand up to extraordinary scrutiny. Why
conversation like tonight's matter not because we're here to convince

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anyone of anything, not because we're trying to prove a
particular theory, but because asking thoughtful questions is how we
move the discussion forward, and tonight's guest has spent years
doing exactly that. Ron James is an award winning filmmaker, producer, researcher,

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and the media relations director for Muffon. Through his acclaimed
documentaries Accidental Truth, UFO Revelations and Accidental Truth Next, Ron
has explored government secrecy, military encounters, eyewitness testimony in the
rapidly evolving disclosure movement. His work has earned recognition at

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film festivals around the world and has become essential viewing
for many following today's UFP conversations. Along the way, he's
interviewed military personnel, research, scientists, experiences, and some of the
most influential voices in the field. Over the next two hours,

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we'll discuss where the disclosure movement stands today, what evidence
deserves the closest attention, how Mouffon investigates reports, what recent
government actions may or may not mean, and where Ron
believes this extraordinary story is headed. In the years ahead,
we'll also talk about his award winning films, the changing

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public perception of the UFO phenomenon, and why this subject
has moved from the fringes of popular culture into mainstream discussion.
Whether you followed this mystery for decades or tonight as
your very first deep dive into the world of UFOs
and UAPs, I think you'll find this to be an honest, respectful,

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and thought provoking conversation. So wherever you're listening from, whether
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Now here's Carl.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Welcome back to Midnight Frequency Radio. If you're just joining us.
Our guest tonight is filmmaker, researcher and New Fun Media
relations director Ron James. Ron, I've been looking forward to
this conversation for quite a while. Welcome to the program.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
I'd like to give the audience a little bit about
your background and if you and I had we're having
this conversation, say twenty five or thirty years ago, who
was Ron James?

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Then? You know that's an interesting question. I've been involved
in the UFO stuff for close to twenty years already.
I think I first got into it when I was
hired by Steve Bassett. My production company was hired to
film his ex conferences in two thousand and seven, so
that's twenty one years before that. I was always interested

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in these kind of topics, and I was fascinated by
the nature of reality, and seeing guys on TV talking
about UFOs all the time was something that I kept
on top of. I read UFO magazine. I was always
interested in this kind of stuff, and I remember when
I was like thirteen years old, I read a book
called Seth Speaks that talked about the whole nature of reality.

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And I don't know anybody that young should be reading
that book, but it opened my eyes to all possibilities
I'd never even thought of. And so I've always been
on this kind of track. I just never had any
idea that I'd be as involved as I am today.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Were UFO some things that interested you as a kid
or did that come later?

Speaker 4 (07:21):
No? I think the thing that really opened my eyes
to it at an early age was Chariots of the Gods.
And when Eric von Donakin put that film out, and
you know, to this day, it's the only UFO documentary
that's made mainstream a theatrical release, which is quite a statement,
And never did I imagine that one day I would

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be interviewing Eric von Donikan, or I'd be sitting next
to him at book signings, or you know, having conversations
around the fire pit. So that's just one example of
these people that I had seen and respected and admired
just as a regular person that wasn't really involved, and
then later on in life I was walking among them.

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It's a really interesting story.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Did your family encourage your curiosity in these subjects?

Speaker 4 (08:12):
They didn't discourage it, you know, they were pretty much
they're pretty neutral about everything, and I never had any
opposition to it. But you know, I never really talked
to my family about this stuff. It was always kind
of like, you know, the comic book in the closet
kind of thing. They were. They just were never going
to be on the same wavelength where I couldn't have

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the conversation that I might have with you tonight, or
that I have with people in the field. There was
never a time when I could have had that conversation
with my parents.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I've had a lot of guests on and they all
seem to have one moment in their life that changed
and pushed them into the direction of these subjects. You know,
sometimes it's citing, sometimes it's meeting someone in the field already.
Was there one particular thing that pushed you this direction

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more than others?

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Well, I would have to say that meeting Steve Bassett
is the thing that kind of facilitated everything moving forward.
He was coming through Sodona, where I was living at
the time, and I was already involved in you know,
what we call conscious media, covering all kinds of topics
about the New Age topics, everything from sacred geometry to

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how to develop your psychic powers. So I was in
Sidona doing that kind of work and Steve came through town.
I think he was given a lecture and we hung
out and I interviewed him, and he found out that
I had a video production company. He asked me if
I'd be interested in taking care of doing the production
and the live streaming for his events, and so that's
where it That's where it started for me. When I

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showed up to produce the first X conference, all of
a sudden, I was rubbing elbows with all these people
that I knew from seeing them on TV. You know,
there's Nick Poe, and there's Stanton Friedman and doctor Roger
Lear and George Nori and George Knapp and all these
guys that I totally looked up to, and all of
a sudden, I was walking among them and they were
letting me interview them, and I was listening to them,

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and it was it was at that first conference when
I really got to see the inside of the UFO field,
at least the way it existed back then. But that's
another story. And I understood that these people were dedicating
their lives trying to answer humanity's biggest question. And so
it's not it wasn't hard to jump on board and say, hey,
I want I want to help get this done. And

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so I would make a little money doing something like
a music video or whatever, and I would reinvest that
money into doing things on my own that had to
do with with these topics.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
I've been doing this show for a little over a
year now, and one thing I've learned is it's healthy.
Skepticism is actually a good thing. Do you consider yourself skeptical?

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yeah, you know, there's nothing to be gained by drinking
the kool aid. MOFON has its own charter, which is
the scientific understanding of UFOs for the benefit of humanity,
and they're not interested in drinking the kool aid either.
So to speak, out of every hundred cases Moufon gets,
we figure out a logical explanation for ninety seven of them,

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give or take. And so nobody is there just looking
for a reason to call something unexplained. We're always looking
for a reason to actually be able to explain it,
because that's a much easier way to go.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Have we ever had to disappoint someone and tell them
I don't think that's what you saw.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Yeah, a few times. It happens quite a bit. You know.
We get people that have to see things on starlink,
or they've taken a picture of something that it turns
out to be like the orbs a lot. It's just
sometimes cameras going out of focus and things like that.
We have a really great team that's able to separate

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the wee from the chaff. And so, yeah, when you're
when you're basically explaining away ninety seven percent of your cases,
you have a lot of people that are that are
disappointed in what your analysis provides.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
I'm curious has researching this subjects changed you as a person.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
Only that it's upset me to the point where that
we're literally living in a world where the I believe
every human being deserves as much as any other human
being knows about our origin and our place in the
universe and what is the nature of our reality. I
And there's there's a group of people that have learned

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way more about this than they're ever going to share
with us, and they're depriving us of this knowledge. And
to me, that's a that is a depth of I mean,
you know, I don't want to call it evil, but
I think that it's it's a crime against humanity to
deny humanity the truth about humanity. You know, it just
doesn't make any sense. Yeah, And and and to find

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people to find that there's there literally is a very
very secret group of people. It's not a lot of
them that are sitting at the top of all of
this that know the whole picture, and they are never
going to do anything to facilitate the whole truth being
delivered to the whole of our of our species for
whatever reason. And I find that I find that appalling.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Has this failed made you more patient or impatient?

Speaker 4 (13:35):
It's made me more disappointed. The uh, you know, I
I spent as you saw in the in the film
that you just watched. It's the part two from my
from my first one. That's been a year and a
half bouncing around Washington, d C. Making sure that the
Congress people knew the depth of the of the deception,
sitting in their offices telling them the story that US

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as UFO investigators would want them to hear. And I
did that work, and they know what's going on more
than they're gonna tell. And you know, unfortunately, it's to me,
everything that we're seeing unfolded Washington, d C. Through our
front facing politicians is a part of a controlled information

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disclosure and it's never going to be the whole truth.
And so for those that are clinging on thinking that,
you know, the more time you spend asking Washington d
C to get to the bottom of it, you're only
going to get so far, and you're going to be
disappointed the rest of the time. And that's not where
we're going to find our answers, even though they are
fronting for the people who know the answers.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
For the audience. We're discussing the accidental truth next, and
I highly recommend it's a very good documentary.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
Thank you. It's the sequel to the first Accidental Truth movie,
which won twenty eight Film Festival Awards and a lot
of people think it was one of the best UFO
docs that's been done. And it's free right now for
anybody who wants to watch it. They can watch it
on YouTube no cost. And then the new one just
came out.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
If someone asked, your wife, has has ron changed over
the years, what do you think she'd say?

Speaker 4 (15:17):
You know, I've got a lot more mellow. I'm not
as high strong as I used to be. I'm not
as much of a you know, I've always been this
kind of person that gets himself in trouble, calling a
spade a spade. You know, I'll be the one sitting
in the room that tells the salesperson to his face
that he's lying and here's why, and he shouldn't do that.
And you know, at some point in time you got
to picture battles and it's just not worth it. So

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I've gotten a lot more mellow, and I let a
lot more rub off, you know, duck feathers. Then I
used to.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, there are a lot of researchers out there and
lots of investigators, but you decided to tell stories through film.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Why documentaries, Well, you know, I've I've owned a video
production company for a long time and it's been the
medium that I've worked in, and so it's been kind
of what works. But I think at the end of
the day, it's also the most compelling medium to work

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in because you can bring stories completely life to all
of the senses, and you can take people on a
journey that it is hard to do with anything else.
That's why they make books into movies, but they very
rarely make movies into books.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Did you always want to make films?

Speaker 4 (16:34):
No, I've always been creative, but I didn't really get
into the video production stuff. I spent a lot of
time as a writer. I wrote a lot of fiction,
and I actually was in the graphics business and so
I designed advertising programs for people and things like that.
But then I decided to wanted to make a video
about screen printing because I owned a screen printing company.

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So I hired a local guy that did that kind
of work to to produce it for me, and he
came and he shot it, and I just I got
the bug. I was so enthralled with creating media from
a script to a finished video that I sold my
screenprinting company and I bought into a recording studio under

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the condition that we also do video. And so I
bought into the recording studio, took half of it, and
then we went out and leased video production equipment, and
it was that's just where it went from.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
There was was there someone's whose documentaries inspired you?

Speaker 4 (17:39):
That's pretty interesting. Let me think about that. You know,
I was inspired more by by movies like s you know,
sci fi movies like Blade Renner and traditional filmmaking, the
documentary stuff, you know. Obviously Chariots of the Gods was
the big one that that did it. And then later
on as I started to make my own film. You know,

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it's interesting, I can't really think of an influence that
influenced my documentaries. But that's why my stuff doesn't look
like anybody else's. You know. I'm completely self taught as
a filmmaker, so I never went to film school. I
never ripped apart somebody else's film to see what made
it tick. I just got the equipment and started doing stuff.
And I always wanted to make things that didn't look

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or sound like anything else. And for better or for worse,
I think there's people out there that would agree I
succeeded at that. So that's a gratifying thing.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
In your opinion. What makes a great documentary.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
A great story? You know, at the end of the day,
there's these traditional rules, so to speak, about what a
documentary should be. You know, there's formats and limited to
the number of guests and the story that you want
to tell, and staying neutral and just trying to present
information both sides of the story. Kind of thing that's

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all gone out the window over the last few years.
People are just doing whatever they want and calling it
a documentary. And I'm guilty of that. The new film
that I just made, I'm not really trying to portray
a certain thing that I want the audience to believe.
I'm showing them a lot of different opinions and leaving
it up to them to kind of take the time
to sess it out for themselves, hopefully by giving them

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other ways of looking at things and other things to consider.
But at the end of the day, you know, there's
twenty five people in that film. In documentary land, that's
a no, no, you shouldn't have that many people in
a documentary. There's a numerous subject matters we start in Washington, DC,
we meander through some esoteric experiences people have had, and

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then we end up at the nature of reality and
spirituality all in one film. So whatever rules there are
to documentary filmmaking, I pretty much broke every one of
them in this movie.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
The rights documentary that people remember from one that they
just forget about the next day.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
Rather or not it affects their own personal thing. You know,
if you if you watch a documentary about any any topic,
and it tells you a story about something that doesn't
relate to you at all, you're gonna watch it. You're
going to absorb it. That it's not going to stick
with you. If you if you are presenting a subject
that everybody can identify with that watches the film, that

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they can understand why it means something to them beyond
just watching it, absorbing it and life goes on. That's
that's how you really communicate with your audience. And that's
what I tried to do with this film, is that
people tell me exactly what you just said. They watch
it and they're still thinking about it three days later.
And that's because we present so many different ways of

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looking at the phenomenon and looking at our own existence
that it gives people food for thought.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Every filmmaker eventually reaches the point where they say, I've
got to make this film. What pushed you toward Accidental Truth?

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Well, the first Accidental Truth film I made my first
major UFO documentary. And I've done tons of little episodic
web series and things like that, but my very first
one was one that I.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Did in.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Twenty eleven. It was called It Could Happen Tomorrow, and
it was about UFO disclosure, and I didn't want to
make another film until I really felt like I could
move the ball. And then in twenty seventeen, when we
got all the Luelazando's stuff that came out and what
that all meant, I interviewed Lou and it was clear

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to me that he was being less less than forthcoming
about stuff that he knew, and so during the interview
I started trying to trip him up and get him
to say something he didn't mean to say, and I
was very successful at that. And that's where I came
up with the name Accidental Truth for the film, because
there's several spots in the very first Accidental Truth movie

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where people just kind of let something slip and they
didn't mean to you, but they did, and to me,
that was a victory as a journalist. So that's where
the first Accidental Truth movie came from. And then I
didn't want to make another one until I felt like
I could move the ball again. And where we go
at the end of the new Accidental Truth movie with

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simulation theory and nature reality and AI and what role
it might be playing in all of this, and taking
the audience to a whole new place, And that's to me,
that's satisfying as a filmmaker.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
When you first started filming, did you already know where
the story would end?

Speaker 4 (22:50):
I had a pretty good idea what I wanted to do.
I didn't think it was going to spend so much
time in Washington, d C. But that story in itself
just became fascinating and so I and I was there
and I was doing some interesting things. But yeah, I
knew that I wanted to take the In the first
Accidental Truth movie, we went into consciousness and what role

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that might play, and I wanted to go way deeper
with that, and so I knew that I was going
to start off with a little recap on what was
going on in the Washington, d C. Environment, And I
was going to keep going until I until I took
us all the way to the edge of reality, because
really that's where this all resolves. It's it's there's no

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one answer to any of it, and the answers we
think we have, in my opinion, we're not even asking
the right questions. And that's what we talk about in
the film on the.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
First Accidental Truth. Did the documentary kind of take on
a life of its own?

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Yeah? They all do. The first one definitely did. It
just kind of came together. And you know, I'm not
even I'm not even sure that this new Accidental Truth
movie has the same kind of magic that the first
one had. But this one has it's it's it's its
own kind of impact and interactive story. But the First

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Accidental Truth just there was just something about it that
really made it successful. And this one's doing pretty good too.
But the first one, the first one was was definitely
bigger than the sequel.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Did the first documentary surprise you.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
As far as how well it did? Yeah, No, I
was hoping it was going to do pretty good. So far,
it's been seen by maybe ten million people worldwide, which
is that's a lot and first for an independent documentary,
and so that was that was pretty good. I'm pretty
happy with that. It's very gratifying when you can make
something that people like.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Was there an interview where you stopped afterward and just
started thinking, Wow, I wasn't expecting that.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Well, that happens a lot some of the see's, some
of the stuff with doctor Michio Kaku that did. When
I interviewed him, I found his openness to extreme possibilities
to be way more than I thought it was going
to be. And then we have an Colonel John Alexander

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never fails to deliver. This guy, you know, he was
knee deep in all these secret programs way back in
the beginning, and so for him to say things that
he's been unable to say in the past was very gratifying.
Because I've been I've interviewed him numerous times over the years,

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and I know that he knows things that would help
to bust open the the the whole field. And I
know that he's probably never going to tell us everything
he knows, but it doesn't stop me from trying every
time I see him.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
I'll talk right in a minute, You've interviewed a lot
of interesting people. Is there one interview you'll never forget.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
I'll give me a second to think about that. The uh,
you know, way back when I first started doing this,
I went to something called the International Conference on Science
and Consciousness, and that's when I got to meet some
of the leading scientists in the time. I got to
meet Dean Raiden, I got to meet Anak Swami and

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Russell targ and Bill Tiller, and I know, I'm gonna
forget somebody, but these were the most fascinating minds at
the very beginning of the time when we were starting
to talk about simulation theory and that we might have
our idea of reality, we might be literally wrong about
how we think everything works. And so those were fascinating

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times and fascinating interviews. And then you know, later on
getting the interview people that that we're open to some
of the things that are happening now. And then because
there's back in the day, there was this whole idea
that all of these different things that were happening as

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phenomena are separate, and that they're all have different causes
and different modalities that make them possible. And what we're
realizing now is that these things are connected in some way,
if at least by the mechanism in which they function.
And so as we as we look at this, the
people that were way back in the day were open

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and willing to have these discussions in such a way
that they that they believed it, that there was a
connection and that it wasn't all in silos. Those were
the people that really made it, that made it happen
before the rest of the world caught up with them.
And so when we say now, oh, we think all

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of these phenomena are so of how interconnected, Well, there's
people that were saying that a long time ago before
it was a cool thing to say. And so I
look back fondly on those interviews.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
You mentioned earlier about yweering one person and he finally
slipped up and said something, Has anybody ever told you
something that you still can't explain why today?

Speaker 4 (28:27):
You mean, I can't explain why they told me or
why what they told me.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, instead of being a slip up, you know, because
you were questioning about these different different aspects, did someone
just tell you something that you can't explain? Why they
just decided to tell you that.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
There's a few times like that. A lot of times
when you're in this field, you think that somebody's telling
you something just for disinformation, or maybe they're telling you
something to test you. I've always been like, look, I'm
not keeping your secret, okay, So if you're going to
tell me something and then you're going to follow it
with but you can't tell anybody else this, then don't
tell me, because it's not my job to walk around

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and helping you to hide things from humanity. So I'm
pretty upfront with these guys that I'm not that guy that,
for my own personal gratification is going to let you
tell me something and then I have to walk around, Oh,
I can't repeat that, I can't share it with the world.
I have to just carry it like a like a burden.
I've never wanted to be in that box. And so

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sometimes people have told me stuff anyway, and you know,
one way or another, it finds its way into my
films because you know, I'm not here to help people
keep their secrets. I'm here to help the secrets get
to the people that deserve to know them. And so
you see too many people in the field that are there,
they're not there anymore they are, they'll keep the secret

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and become part of the cover up just because they
want to know, or because they want to insert themselves
into the narrative in some strange way to where now
they're part of the story. And so, yeah, I've been
surprised a couple of times the people have told me
things after I warned them not to tell me.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Editing involves quite a bit of stuff, and I don't
think a lot of people understand the extent to go to.
But when you have to cut a piece of good
material that ends up on a cutting move floor, how
do you deal with that? I mean, you have time
constraints that you have to make within the film. How

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do you contend with what you cut loose?

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Well, you just have to You have to be willing
to do that. There's there's fifty hours of interviews in
the raw footage from this new film, and yeah, right
now it's rolling in it at an hour and forty
five minutes, and you know that's bordering on being too long,
because people can't sit in the theater or a room
for too long before they start fidgeting. So yeah, you

(30:59):
just have to you cut it fat and at the
first past. It doesn't matter if it's four hours, five hours,
six hours. But then you have to go just like
a sculptor and start cutting things down. You know, it's like,
does everything this guy said in this answer have to
be a part of it? Or can I cut what
he said down significantly and have it still work? And

(31:22):
you know, you just have to do that. And I
do all my own editing, so you know, I'm the
one that shot the interviews and filmed him, and then
I wrote the script, so I don't have it as
difficult as people that are using a team, because when
you have a team of people, that gets very interesting.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
I remember when Star Trek the motion picture came out,
everyone complained that it was long and drawn out, but
you know, they released the director's cut, and I kind
of preferred that over the original because some of the
things they put back into it to me explain some
things that weren't. Have you thought about releasing director's cuts

(32:01):
of any of your stuff.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
I think there'll be a director's cut of this film,
and I think the reason for that is going to
be because I was able to interview Thomas Campbell after
the fact, and he really belongs in the film. And
so he is somebody that I would definitely want to
put in there. So there's that, and then yeah, there's

(32:24):
there's things that got in there that or that didn't
get in there that I think should have been. So
there's there's always that. I'm thinking. What I'm thinking about
doing is taking the first movie, the then the one
that I made a few years ago, and the director's
cut to this movie and putting him in a package
that people could just buy and they and they can
own all three on Vimeo or something. And then that

(32:48):
way the people that are really into my work, and
there's some of them that that would like that I
could do that and make it affordable.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
I'm gonna ask one more question, and I'll probably need
to take a break. Where at the bottom of the
first hour, I can imagine that making Doctor Mintries isn't
always serious. Have there been moments where something happened that
you just found downright funny?

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Yeah, you know, some of the stuff at Washington d
C was pretty funny. I thought that the way we
hacked the hearings and were able to text questions in
real time to the congressman, which he then took off
of his phone and asked them the of the panel.
To me, that cracked me up. It still cracks me
up that we were able to do that. And what's
even better about it is that we got Lou Elizondo

(33:37):
to spill the beans about the Lockheed Martin connection. And
that was something that has been eating at me for
a long time, is what was truth about Robert Bigelow
and ASoP getting materials? Did they get them and they're
lying about them? Did they really not get them because
they got cut off by the CIA? What really happened?
And so it was really great to be able to

(34:00):
get that, get that answer. And to this day it
makes me laugh because Lou and I have a we
have we have a friendly relationship, but I'll poke fun
at him from time to time. And I really got him.
I remember I walked up to him after the hearings
at an event later that night and I said, you
know that question about Lockey Martin and the materials. We're

(34:20):
the ones that asked that question from the back of
the room. And I got you. I got you in
another accidental truth and he just looked at me and
shook his head and he's like shit because he he he,
you know that just say, give your audience a little background.
In the first Accidental Truth movie and the other stories
around euthology, there's his tale that Robert Bigelow, when he

(34:43):
had his Harry Reid assigned program at Bigelow Aerospace, was
supposed to receive some materials that came from somewhere else
and and he prepped an area for it. He had
a whole thing with security, a lab to study at
the whole nine yard, and then the story is that
he never got it. And I never believed that. I thought, well,

(35:04):
of course he got it, he's just not telling us
the truth. And in the first Accidental Truth movie, and
we repeeded in the second one, George Knapp is interviewing
him and asks him about it, and he clearly looks
like he's being deceptive. So that kind of bolstered my opinion.
But as it turned out later when we asked the
question of Loue Elizondo during the hearings, we texted the

(35:25):
question to Eric Berlissen and Lou said, yeah, some material
was to be divested from a major aerospace company and
it was blocked by an intelligence agency. And we thought
that was great, fantastic, But what happened after that was
that he accidentally kind of let it slip. That was
probably Lockheed Martin and that yeah, Bigelow never got the material,

(35:49):
so we were personally responsible for making that revelation come out.
And I was laughing the whole rest of the weekend.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
That would be too. All right, We're going to go
in our first.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
One who gets to go to a congressional hearing and
influence the hearing from the back of the room, Like
we're getting away with this.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, all right, we're gonna go into this first break in.
We'll be back here just shortly.

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Speaker 1 (41:16):
Welcome back to Midnight Frequency Radio, and our guests are
Ron James.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Ron.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
On the flip side of the last questions, I ask
you things for humorous. Have you ever had a day
that was just unbelievably hard?

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Oh? Yeah, you have those all the time, you know, miss.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
You dropped out?

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Sorry, Oh can you hear me now? Yes, sir, yeah, okay, yeah,
you get those things happen all the time. You know,
when you're traveling around, you're prone to all kinds of
things that can happen. You know, the interview you set
up and four years to get somehow, or another fight
gets missed, and then you have those days where it's

(42:01):
just one thing after another. And in filmmaking, It can
be any number of things, technical glitches. You get home
and you realize there's a buzz in the audio of
the interview you just spent five thousand dollars to get.
You know, there's all kinds of things that happen to
justify explanation.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
I've had shows like that. So you dropped out again.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
No, I'm here, Okay.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
All right. I've been review to a number of people
over the last little over a year. As one thing
I've noticed is sometimes the journey changes the traveler. Has
this journey changed your outlook on life?

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Well, it's definitely opened my eyes to the realization that
perceptions that we have are probably all wrong. You know,
we all think we have some sort of a decent
idea about what life's all about, and what the what
are reality is about and the things that we believe spiritual,
and they're often just not correct and we don't even

(43:07):
really know what we're dealing with.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah, has it changed your views on spirituality or death
or humanity itself?

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Just the way in which all of these things are
profoundly interconnected. You know, I've come to the realization, I've
had it for a long time that it's only been
reinforced that we're spiritual creatures having a human experience and
that this reality that we're living in is the mechanism
by which we have those experiences. And so you know,

(43:39):
that's the same thing that our most ancient of teachings
have been teaching us. So it's kind of like we're
coming full circle with the way we understand things.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
If you were handed unlimited resources and we're told you
can interview anybody living or deceased for one hour, who
would it be.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Well, I think I think everybody would probably put Jesus
Christ hearing it close to the top of the list,
just for any number of reasons. And uh, you know,
it would be among the spiritual leaders. If I just
had to pick one, it would be Jesus or maybe Buddha,
but most likely Jesus.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Hold on, I'm looking through my questions. If today's Ron
James could sit down with the Ron James who was
just starting this journey, what would you tell.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
Yourself, Well, consider doing something else. I mean, you know
people that think that it shocks me when I go
and I read some of these forums. We'll place an
ad for the movie and people have to rent it

(44:59):
for five bucks and all the nastiness about why isn't
it free? And I just think to myself and like
every one of these people that's saying that probably has
a job and they would never show up to their
job if they were told they had to do it
for free. And this is my work just like anybody else's.
And the amount of people that think that I should

(45:19):
somehow live in adjokes poverty while I slave a way
to bring information to humanity and just hand it off.
I've never understood that, and me it is one of
the most disappointing things that we find.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
You know, when you and I were growing up, if
we told someone we saw a UFO, they'd probably laugh
us in the face. Do you feel that the atmosphere
is changing with members of Congress talking about it and
the release of limited information, I'll put it that way.
Do you feel it's changing?

Speaker 4 (45:54):
No, because I think that we've had these times before
the UFO topic. There have been times when it was
the most popular topic in culture, and then you know,
those those times would come and go. We had a
big thing in the fifties when it was huge. We
had Project Blue Book, we had documentaries, we had books,
we had government officials coming forth talking about how the

(46:18):
UFO phenomenon was real and they were all acknowledging it.
And then it died off for a little while, and
what we got back in twenty seventeen, and it's hard
to believe it's been almost a decade, but it has.
What we got in twenty seventeen was a repeat performance
of the same kind of revelation and talk that we've
been given before. And so when I see people acting

(46:44):
like this is all new, it's really not. We've been
down this road.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I've heard people say use the word disclosure so often
recently that does everyone mean the same thing, Because when
you hear the word what does disclosure mean to Ron James?

Speaker 4 (47:05):
That's a really great question too, because it can't be
all things to all people. I used to when Steve
Bassett and I first started out working together, I thought
that we were on the same page about what disclosure means,
and that was that they would come forth and they
would tell us the whole truth about everything that they know.
But over the years, his definition of disclosure has kind

(47:28):
of been compromised by a willingness to just accept ladies
and gentlemen, there's non human intelligence in our midst thank
you and good night. And so the expectation of disclosure
by the king of disclosure advocacy, in my opinion, has

(47:48):
been kind of well, it's been kind of diminished from
what I thought we thought it was going to be
in the beginning. To me, true disclosure is like what
we saw in Disclosure Day, a complete revelation of the
entire truth about this topic and what's been hidden from us,
and no more lies, no more cover ups, and no

(48:11):
more hidden agendas. I don't think we'll ever get that
kind of disclosure. Maybe history books one hundred years from
now or a thousand years from now, but just coming
up and saying, hey, there's non human intelligence that are
interacting with us. To me, that's just no longer cuts it.
It's like, you guys have had a long enough time
to tell us the truth and we're tired of waiting around.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
I know what. This year's UFO conference and Eureka Springs,
Steven Bassett started out his talk by how many here
believe that we'll see disclosure in our lifetime? And not
a whole lot of hands went up. But then at
the end of his talk, after he's covered everything, he said, okay,

(48:55):
how many of you now think we'll see it within
the next year or two. So I still didn't raise
my hand, but he was like, well, I'll tell you
what when I come back next year, and I'm right,
I'm going to strut up this aisle like a wrestler
on the way to the ring. And I thought that
was extremely humorous, because I'm like you, I don't think

(49:15):
the government will actually be the ones to release what
we want to be released.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
No, they're never going to because they can't. They've got
too much. Too many things have been done to cover
this up that are just basically literally crimes against humanity,
and too many people are secretly profiting from it. There's
a closed session of society that has been able to
capitalize on this stuff, and they're in possession of things

(49:43):
that they just have no interest in ever sharing. And so,
as much as it sucks, that's kind of how it is.
The people that have control of this information are benefiting
from it in such a way that revealing the information
would eliminate that benefit or at least threatened it.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Do you feel that what they're releasing now is nothing
more than a sigh up to try to get us
the back off.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
I think that they're you know, they're still stopping short.
We have David Grush who came out and said that, yes,
we've been recovering craft, there's reverse engineering programs, all the
stuff that he said, and this has been now years
since it's happened, and so we have that, But what
we don't have is the actual official government bodies saying yes,

(50:31):
he's right, there have been these things. And so even
though his his comments were okayed by the Department of Defense,
we still haven't had any official you know, Donald Trump
has not stepped to a platform and he said, yeah,
you know, we looked into this, and it's true. There
are reverse engineering programs, there are this, there are that

(50:51):
it just never happened, and I don't believe it's ever
gonna happen. So we have all these things that we
just wish we could see that we're just not seeing.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
When David Gresh first came forward and started testifying, what
was your initial reaction.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
It's about time, was my initial reaction. You know. He
came out literally within a month and a half of
the release of the first Accidental Truth movie, and I
believe that there had been for quite some time a
kind of a plan to do a limited disclosure and
that TTSA was going to be involved in it. They

(51:36):
were a big part of what they're planning to do
and how they're planning to do it. But then TTSA
kind of imploded and the whole story about the new
narrative that they tried to get us to buy, which is,
you know, nothing was going on Project Blue Book ended
and the government had no more involvement in the UFO topic,

(51:57):
all of that stuff that it just didn't work because
too many people knew better, and we were able to
show that we knew better, and we you know, we
made films like Accidental Truth that blew away that narrative.
The first Accidental Truth movie was all about destroying their
position that they did nothing between the time Project Blue

(52:18):
Book ended and the time lou al Zando got in book,
because that's just one big lie. And the fact is
is that a lot of things happened during that time
that were significant, and so their attempts to cover that
up and to put it out that there was nothing
to it that was that failed, and everybody knew it failed.

(52:41):
The public knew it failed, the UFO community knew it failed.
They the government people, or I don't even call them
government anymore. They're so buried in private industry and compartmentalized
programs that they're you know, it's not like it's a
guy that works at the Pentagon that knows everything about
it UFOs that that person probably doesn't exist. It's it's

(53:03):
much deeper and darker. But these guys realized they weren't
going to get away with their initial attempt to whitewash
the entire history of the phenomenon. So then there, you know,
then all of a sudden, there we get David Grush,
and everybody thinks, oh, David Grush, the hero whistle blower.
And my response to that is that if you have

(53:25):
to vet the things that you're going to say publicly
and get it approved by the Department of Defense, guess what,
you're not a whistleblower, and and you're an instrument of
a narrative. And that's what people don't understand is that
a lot of what we're seeing is they their response
to the public feedback, and they have their mouthpieces, and

(53:49):
the orders that these guys get come from so deep
that they don't even know who they're taking orders from.
But anybody that has to get what they're going to
say cleared by the government is sorry, not a whistleblower.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
If David Grush tells you tomorrow and said, ron, I
can tell you everything, what's the first thing you asking.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
If he's willing to help me on camera and let
me put it out to the world, Because I'm you know,
that's the whole thing to me. And I've had that
opportunity with a few people, and I call it the
devil's deal because they're going to come to you and
they're going to say, look, I can tell you a
whole bunch of stuff, but you can't tell it to
other people. Well, then why am I here? Right? But

(54:30):
there are many, many people who will take that offer.
And as soon as you do take that offer, then
you've made a selfish decision to be clued in on
information that belongs to everybody. And now you are no
longer serving journalism. You are no longer serving investigative technique.
You are serving the people that are keeping this whole

(54:51):
thing a secret, and you're doing it for selfish reasons
because you want to be in that club, and people
in that club get to say things like, well, I've
been told some things that I can't say. Then they
can insert themselves into the narrative and get they can
become part of the gatekeepers, and they can become so
many people that are supposed to be on our side
have suddenly been saying things like, well, I can't say that,

(55:14):
I can't talk about that. You know, It's like, then,
why do you call yourself a journalist if you're not
going to get information and deliver it to us? And
I say that to you guys know who you are,
and I'm not outspoken about it. I think it's sad
what we've seen happen to people that we need to
be able to trust.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
They're in the congressional hearings, did you feel that lawmakers
are asking the right questions?

Speaker 4 (55:41):
They're starting to you know, the experience or phenomenon is
a tough thing for these guys to swallow, and so
I think we need to get more into that. But
they're just getting past possible reverse engineering programs and UFOs
and all that kind of thing. They are not ready
to drag the experience of phenomenon through a public arena

(56:03):
because that's just a bridge too far for a lot
of them. And so they're starting to ask the right questions.
But you know, I can point out something that really
drives home what I was saying earlier. The Congress people
that are doing this. And it started off with guys
like Marco Rubio and Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid and

(56:25):
Bill Richardson that we're all like, hey, we want to
get to the bottom of this stuff. The people deserve
to know. Well, Bill Richardson, governor of New Mexico, who
was very vocal about the whole thing, he all of
a sudden went quiet about it and at the same
time became the director of the Department of Energy. And

(56:46):
we know that the Department of Energy is one of
the organizations that hides this stuff. A lot of these
programs are administered through the Department of Energy. So there's
Bill Richardson, He's out there saying, hey, we want everybody
to know what's going on, and then all of a
sudden he becomes part of the secrecy machine. And watching
it happened was really hard. Harry Reid did the best

(57:07):
he could, he just died before he could get anywhere.
And then we had Chuck Schumer and Marco Rubio. Now
these guys were gung ho for the truth. We're going
to get to the bottom of We're going to get
these answers. After the very first UFO hearing, Mark Rubio
goes into a closed session and he comes out and
he hardly ever talks about it again. And then when

(57:28):
he did the video with Dan Farra for Age of Disclosure,
he was interviewed about that movie later and he literally
threw the film under the bus. He downplayed his appearance,
he downplayed the things that he said, and he said
it was just filmmakers trying to make money make in
a film. And so there's one example. These guys get
read in and all of a sudden they're not gung

(57:49):
ho for the truth anymore. They're willing to keep the secret.
And it happened to the whole next round of people.
We had Tim Burchett, we had Luna, all of these
people that came forward right around twenty seventeen and latched
on to Luella Zondo's coming out, and they all said, yeah,
we're going to get to the bottom of this. We

(58:10):
deserve the truth, you know, the whole thing. The public
has a right to know. And then they got their
security clearances and then they weren't able to be read
into a few things that they did not know. And
now they're saying things like, well, I've been told some
things and I can't repeat. Well, if you'd been told
what I've been told, you'd be terrified. They are now

(58:31):
keeping secrets instead of looking for the secrets and delivering
them to the public. And you know this is sad
because you can watch if you just go back to
media clips and you watch the progression of the way
these people have presented this topic. They started off going
who for the truth? And now they're keeping the secret
just like the rest of them.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
If you were allowed five minutes in front of Congress,
what would you say to them.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
I've had more than five minutes in front of influential
Congress people, and I would say to them exactly what
I'm saying here is that you guys are being spoofed.
You're not getting to the bottom of it. The people
that know the truth are never going to come to you,
and you just have to keep trying. And when you're
delivered information that you know and you become part of

(59:22):
the secrecy, you agree to keep that secret, then you're
no better than the people that have been lying to
us for one hundred years, and so you have to decide,
are you here to get the truth to the people
or are you here to become part of this controlled
mechanism of disclosure? And you know, name it and claim it.
It's clear to me that these guys are now a
part of the process rather than trying to break the process.

(59:46):
And I call for catastrophic disclosure. I call for that
everywhere I go. You know, I'll probably get killed one
day because I'm calling for it, But like what happened
in Disclosure Day, that's what we need. We need a
real hero or heroes to get into this system, get
the irrefutable evidence that cannot be denied or debunked, and

(01:00:07):
get it to the public before something bad happens to
them and blow it out to the entire world. We've
given these people that are keeping this secret one hundred
years to tell us the truth and they're still him
on around And so you know what we need right
now is we need a hero. We need a real
whistleblower to come from all the way deep inside and

(01:00:28):
risk everything to get the information to the public that
we deserve. Because I don't think anything short of that
is going to suffice, I don't think it's ever going
to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Of all the people you've talked to in the military, intelligence,
pilots and researchers, do you get the impression from all
of them that they're just not telling us that they're
not allowed to say.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Well, being not allowed to say something because it might
be classified is way different than having in information about
the whole depth of this subject. The government classifies everything.
So you know, like Ryan Graves, I've talked to him, Yeah,
he went offshore in his jet training and he saw

(01:01:13):
some things in the sky and then he can talk
about a little bit, and then he can't talk about it.
And just because he can't talk about all of the
details about what he saw doesn't mean that he knows
a bunch of stuff about UFO is that the rest
of us don't. It just means that he saw some
things that he can't talk about. So just because somebody
says that they have information they can't share, doesn't mean

(01:01:35):
they have all the information. In fact, partly any of
these guys have all the information.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
The subject where discussing always seems to circle back around
to crash retrieval. Where do you personally stand on this
your views.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
Well, my next film, which is going to be out
by the end of the year, is called the Legacy
Programs I Crash Retrieval. So we're laying out twenty four
cases and have so much detail to them for.

Speaker 8 (01:02:07):
My witness reports from multiple witnesses from you know, all
the way down to where the craft crash, what did
it look like, who was the first responders, where did they.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
Take the craft, what came of it? We have this information.
Move On has tons of stuff that has been given
to us over the years, and we've been recently been
given a whole vault of first had investigative reports that
nobody else has from a very very well known researcher

(01:02:38):
in the film On Our Straight film And this guy
has details, he has the names of witnesses, and we
have that stuff now and so obviously we can't probas
names of witnesses and they kind of full away.

Speaker 9 (01:02:51):
We're still trying to figure out the best way to
share aug But the new film is going.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
To out sixteen cases of craft of genuine.

Speaker 9 (01:02:58):
Crash retreats, where that stuff was taken and how it
was study And so would people say, well, what is
the Legacy program We're actually about the exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
With the legacy programs, did you change a position? It
kind of sounds like you went into a tunnel.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
No, No, I'm still all right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
It's back now. It may have been an Internet thing.
If something's been discovered, how difficult would it really be
to understand.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
Something like what.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
UFO crash TUFO or alien technology? Do you think we
have the comprehension of understanding it to be able to
reverse engineer it or is that beyond our turn abilities?

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Well, there's a certain amount of information that's out there
about legacy cross trieval programs that were discontinued funding funding
stopped because they were not making any progress. And so
the word on the street, so to speak, is that
there's been very limited results in trying to back engineer

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a lot of this technology. There's been some success, but
there hasn't been an overwhelming success. And the way the
programs kind of worked is they have these craft and
they would study them, you know, very very deeply for
a while. They would reach no conclusions, and they would
just sit on a shelf until.

Speaker 10 (01:04:36):
Somebody else had a better idea, and then they'd revisit
the technology every few years to see if new minds
could come up with new answers, but well, things like
you know, advanced stealth codings, night and all the material
the shape shifting and memory retaining an alloy, special coding, special.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Things that they can do to a craft or stealthy
And there's there's certain to technologies that may have been derived,
but the big Kahuna, reverse engineering, the power systems and
how these things work has continued to be difficult. From
what I understand.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Most of us are familiar with Bob Blazar's story. Has
your opinion that Bob changed over the years.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
No, I think Bob Lazar rather he was permitted to
come out and tell the story that he told, or
if he just did it. I think that Bob tells
the story that you know. You could disagree with his story.
You can spend all kinds of time trying to find
things wrong with his story. You could do all those things.
But the fact of the matter is that Bob did

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not really get a whole lot of personal gain out
of it. In fact, side tracked his entire life and
he's been reasonably consistent over the years, as consistent as
anybody else that's you know, telling a story from Red ellection.
So I got the chance to meet Bob, and I
didn't get to spend a lot of time with him,
but we hung out, had lunch with a couple other people.

(01:06:04):
If Ryan Graves was there. I've never found bob story
to be unbelievable. I felt it to be. Actually, when
you know everything that you know about the other elements,
these pieces fit right in.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
I've always wondered what an average day is at move On.
What does that look like.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Well, it's nowhere near as glamorous as people might think.
We have our headquarters in Cincinnati, and I might mention
that we just lost our director, Dave McDonald's he passed
away about three weeks ago. And we also just lost
John Schusler, who was one of the founders that moved On,
and he just passed away about a week ago. So

(01:06:46):
I'd say it's a sad time for move On. But
our central HQ looks like a warehouse full of file
boxes and records, and it's not glamorous, but it's full
of some of the most important for me, the in ufology,
and it's run by a very amazing lady named Hannah Trimble.
She is the person that answers the phone and the

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person that runs the admin and and we just take
reports and and you know, manage the state directors and
all the thousands of members of move On and who
gets handled out of that office. And uh, it's not
very glamorous, but it's we're we're doing the work. It's
it's it's boots on the ground. Move On's the only
organization anywhere still to this day that has a network

(01:07:32):
of worldwide investigators that go and actually investigate these these occurrences.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
How many reports typically come in to day.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
It could range from just a few to a few dozen.
It depends on the activity, you know. Just as an
example of Starlink, whenever there's Starlink launches, we get flooded
with reports because people see that Starlink satellite launches look
pretty weird. And and so we always know where, we
know in advance when they're doing it, so that we

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can explain what it is people are saying.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
All the reports increasing are stayed about to.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
Say, it's pretty steady. There's a lot of people out
there right now that are competing for UFO reports, and
you know, it's kind of a shame. There's some organizations
that have popped up. They don't have investigators, they don't
have any kind of scientific data collecting happening that rivals

(01:08:31):
what Mouffon has. They're just trying to collect UFO reports
and sell their app. And what it's doing is it's
diluting the database and it's kind of putting us in
a situation where if there's five different places collecting UFO
reports and people are calling different ones depending on which
whoever they just saw on the Internet or on Google

(01:08:53):
at what's happening is that data is getting diabuted. And
so Moufon's original database contains about one hundred and seventy
thousand cases, and now there's a bunch of people and
organizations that want you to report your UFOs to them,
and what they're doing with that information is they're monetizing

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in ways that that move On would not do. And
so it's kind of diluting the database and it's getting
more difficult to extrapolate the truth or to really determine,
like answering your questions or sightings on the rise, well,
there's no way to really know because citing reports are

(01:09:36):
getting spread out all over the place.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
All the reports getting a stranger.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
Now, you know, move on's got the biggest experience or
resource group. We have the Experience or Resource Team, and
this is people that are dedicated to helping experiencers. So
we've been hearing the stories about non human contact for
a very long time, and so nothing really surprises us
except the consistency of the stories. And certainly you get

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weird stories that come across, but the nature of them
is pretty consistent with history. One thing that is interesting
is we're finding more and more people that have a
story to tell about how they were not only encountering
a non human intelligent being or force, but they were

(01:10:28):
also given physical samples that just kind of came into
their life with a very strong message to them that said,
there is something significant about this material. You should have
it tested. And then they go and they have it tested,
and it's like, wow, we don't really fully understand what
the stuff is. And so that happens, and it's fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
The young people describe encounters differently than the older generations.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Well, if you look back, if you consider older generations
all the way back to the beginning of written history, Yeah,
I mean it's all been evolving depending on the filters
that we're seeing these stuff through it. So in other words,
in ancient teachings, they may have been portrayed in Bibles
and Qur'ans and Middle Eastern and Far Eastern religious texts

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says angelic or demonic forces or ghosts or gen and
it could be the very same beings that we now
call aliens, or they could be different. I'm open to
anything there, but whatever the society is wrapping its heat
around is going to be the same kind of things

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that are used to explain these phenomena. So back in
the day when we had vimanas, you know, the Indian
books talk about an entire civilization where there was wars
going on in space, and the way they explain flying

(01:12:07):
sauceage and orbs and everything else was different than the
way we explain it now. But it's all the same
stuff that they're describing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
With the availability of AI for the public nowadays, we've
reached a point where almost anyone can create convention uf
can convincing UFO footage. How much does this concern you?

Speaker 4 (01:12:32):
Well, right now, Luckily, it's very easy to tell when
something was created with AI. You know, every image it's
ever created, literally every picture you ever take with your
phone hence the image. But it also has a tremendous
amount of what we call metadata behind it. And so
somebody could send us a picture that they say they
took them a flying saucer off their phone, and we

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can look into the back end of that picture and
we can determine it's been altered, if it was taken
into photoshop and retouched. We can determine if we're looking
at the original image or a copy of the original image.
You can't fool the metadata, and you can't make an
AI image or an AI video or anything else that

(01:13:16):
does not give itself away through the metadata in the image,
and that if there's no metadata, that's a dead giveaway
that it's completely fake. So it will fool the eye,
and it will fool the casual observer, but it will
not start it will not survive professional scrutiny.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
When it comes to believers, do you think some of
them hurt the subject?

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Well, okay, so you can have believers who are just
walking around believing something, and that's fine. They can't believe
anything they want, and for a lot of people, their
experience dictates what they believe, and that's perfectly fine. But
when people talk about experiences that are either fictitious or
so far out of the realm of comprehension that they

(01:14:09):
should you know, they cast a shadow on the field.
Then yeah, I told one person that's out there. I'm
not going to say who it is, but but I said,
luck man, even if this stuff happened to you, even
if everything that you're saying is one hundred percent true,
if you cared about the public accepting the UFO phenomenon,
you wouldn't tell those stories. And you know, obviously they

(01:14:33):
didn't like that very much, but it's true. It's like,
if you really care about disclosure, you really care about
this stuff, then you should be careful about the stories
you're telling, because who are you serving by bringing out
things that are so far fetched, so far out? And
what we find is that easily when the stories are
far fetched and far out, they're they're pretty easy to disprove,

(01:14:55):
or at least they're not provabull And so yeah, I
think answer the question now. So that kind of recap
why believers don't hurt the field, but people who tell
stories that are unbelievable, they do hurt the field.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
As social media made your job easier or harder.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
In a lot of ways. It's made it easier, and
it's because, you know, and it's made it harder for
the people trying to keep the secrets because back in
the day, that's why. One of the reasons I believe
this whole thing backfired on the people that tried to
roll out the new narrative in twenty seventeen is because
they couldn't get away with it. Every word that came

(01:15:42):
out of their mouth was scrutinized by a thousand people.
Every interview they did had body language experts analyzing their
every move. They just the things that used to work in,
you know, creating these deceptions. They just all work attim
and you know, that's what is Social media and the

(01:16:02):
collective groups had made that possible. For instance, I was
on the show of ED and I was talking about
a case that had been turned into MUFONT where we'd
been supplied some photographs. I didn't really want to show
the photographs, but he talked me into it, so I
held one up and I was pretty clear that this
was just UFO stuff that somebody submitted to move on.

(01:16:25):
We weren't trying to say it was anything we didn't know.
And the Internet went right to work and found that
this was actually a picture that somebody had built a
diorama and used models that you can buy across the
shelf of soldiers sitting around and so the whole thing
was totally fake. And it was fantastic that social media

(01:16:47):
and that the Internet smooths were able to go and
find that out. It saved me probably weeks of investigation.
But at the same time, I had an egg on
my face. I got dragged up one night and down
the other for trying to show a fake UFO picture
when really that's not what I was doing. But so
it's a double edged sort. Social media is very beneficial

(01:17:09):
to towards getting to the truth, but it can also
be you know, social media can be pretty pretty more
so less.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
At the same time, mainstream media has kept to word it,
reports more. It's more open. Uh, I guess they report
it more serious than now. But do you trust that coverage, No.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
Not at all. They're they're all part of the narrative
of every Every mainstream media outlet has handlers from the
intelligence community. You're not going to get the you're not
gonna you're going to get the controlled narrative from the
mainstream media, you're not going to get the truth. There's
some renegades. You know, the lower you get on the

(01:17:52):
total bowl as far as distribution, the smaller news networks
like news Nation is covering it. We got Ross is
doing things. But you know, I've gotten a point where
I'm not even really sure about his intentions. And so
I think that most of the mainstream media is either
part of the They've either agreed to float whatever their

(01:18:14):
narrative they're told to float, or you know, in some
cases they've traded inside knowledge for a willingness to comply.
And you know that you guys out there, you know
who you are.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
I'm going to ask you to make a prediction. What
do you think the next five years look like? As
far as dislosure and this subject.

Speaker 4 (01:18:38):
I think the powers that be are going to drag
their feet for as long as they possibly can. I
think that we are going to get some sort of
acknowledgment of life, you know, intelligent life beyond Earth, or
or at least beyond humanity. It's going to be cryptic.
They're going to act like they don't know much and
we'll all kind of figure it out together. That's how

(01:18:59):
they're going to say it, and it's going to be
you know, it's going to be lackluster at best. I
do not think that Trump or any other president is
going to walk up to a stage one day, allot
photographs from the crash scenes at Roswell, and spend the
next four hours laying everything out to the world. That

(01:19:20):
is not going to happen. I hope I'm wrong, Honestly,
I would be so happy to admit that I'm wrong,
but I just don't think I am. And so we're
going to get some kind of controlled disclosure. Somebody asked
me that question five years ago, and I said, launch
watch what's going to happen. First, are going to acknowledge
that they found some remnants of life on Mars. And

(01:19:40):
then they're going to say that the web telescope picked
up something that looks like, you know, it could be
possibly a life on another planet. And those things that
now come true. We got the acknowledgment of life on Mars,
we got information where the web telescope has spotted things
that might indicate life. So those two predictions of co truth,

(01:20:01):
and my next prediction is is that they don't. Yeah,
they'll be admitting that there's some kind of non human intelligence,
but they're going to say they don't know what it is,
they don't have any information, and they haven't been reverse
engineering craft. They're going to keep lying about that, and
then they're going to say, look, you many, let's all
figure it out together, and they're going to completely absolve
themselves of all of the lies and crimes of the past.

(01:20:25):
And we're never going to be told the entire truth
through this process in an official manner. That's my prediction.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
I don't like putting people in boxes. So I'm going
to ask you something I don't think gets asked enough.
After everything you've seen, what you've filmed, and the inner
views that you've conducted, what do you think is happening?

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
Well, I think that if you look at it from
the micro like you're here, inside of this universe planet,
there probably is a lowly formed alliance of spacefaring species
that would stand a reason because once you achieve that
level of technology, and there's certainly been enough time in
the evolution of the universe for species to become infinitely

(01:21:13):
more advanced than we have, and so if they didn't
destroy themselves, they would become spacefaring. They would develop AI
and they would have to get along with other spacefaring
species in such a way that did everybody at least
if they didn't agree on everything, they at least weren't
going to destroy each other. And so that's probably happening.

(01:21:34):
Earth is probably a very valuable piece of real estate.
There's probably a lot of different species that have different
things going on here, different agendas for what they'd like
to see the outcome be. I'm sure there's those that
would like to see us evolve along our better angels
and become worthy of being a spacefaring civilization. And there's
other species that would just assume see us self destruct

(01:21:56):
so they can do something else with the planet. So
we're at a time where we're literally self determining and
it's up to us to decide our faith. But then
if you look at it from a macro standpoint, well,
you know, zoom out infinitely. Well, this whole thing is
simulation where conscious beings having a human experience, and everything
that happens inside this illusionary physical reality is just part

(01:22:20):
of the show. It's part of the game. And so
you know, it just depends on how you want to
look at it. If you want to stay in the matrix. Well, yeah,
there's things going on in the matrix that have serious
implications to the matrix. But if you are outside of that,
and you accept that consciousness is fundamental, and that you
are a sign of an energetic being, a spiritual being

(01:22:44):
having a human experience, and that this human experience that
we're having is facilitated by the ability to create an
illusionary world of physical manner and space and time, then
you realize that it's all you know, it all comes
to other sport of our spiritual adventure. So there's a
lot of different ways to look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Your audio is sometimes gobbled, and it may be a
bad cell tower or something. If I take a break, now,
can you disconnect and reconnect to zoom and then we
can come back and finish our interview. Sure, all right,
because sometimes it's good and strong. And then, like I
said before, it sounded kind of like you were in

(01:23:28):
a tunnel, and I think it's probably more of a
cell phone tower issue than anything else.

Speaker 11 (01:23:35):
Yeah, I'll reconnect, all right, We'll be right back after
this breaks.

Speaker 12 (01:24:05):
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Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
Welcome back to Midnight Frequency Radio and our guest Ron
James Ron. If you're looking at evidence, what stands out
to you the most? Would it be like a radar
signal pilot supports sidings or other documents.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
Well, if you use that standard, there is a huge
collection of evidence that we've been getting ever since. You know,
some of the first UFO signings, and if you look
at ancient writings and mid level writings, things that happen
in the wild West, so to speak, with the airships
and craft crashing into windmills with et supposedly being buried.

(01:29:57):
There's a ton of evidence. But is there, has there
ever been the definitive absolutely cannot deny it ever again,
evidence that would take literally a craft of unknown origin
being put on public display and all of the research
in the backstory about where it came from and what

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happened being shared with humanity, and we just haven't had them.
You know, the people that have been managing this secret
in the modern era have been really amazing at keeping
its covered up as humanly possible, and so you know,
we still to this day do not have that definitive evidence.

(01:30:38):
But I think I was involved in something Holton Citizen
Hearing on disclosure that I produced with Steve Bassett, and
my company did all the videotaping and production of the
event to live streamments of the world, and we brought
in a bunch of x members of Congress and we
actually hired them to come in and we did it
at the National Press Club. All the witnesses, everybody from

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Stephen Greer to Bob Salas who was there when the
nuclearar incident happened in the Midwest back in the sixties,
and everybody in between, Richard Dolan, the famous historian and euthology,
all of the people that had something to deliver, they
all took their turn testifying to these members of Congress.

(01:31:22):
They were all ex members of Congress, but they were
they were, you know, set up very much like a
congressional hearing that we're seeing now, and they delivered their stories,
and they delivered their evidence, and all of the people
and members of Congress were absolutely convinced after hearing what
these people had to say that there was something to
it and and so, and that the government was covering

(01:31:45):
it up. Of course, so when we say, you know,
what is the evidence, there is an overwhelming amount of
evidence that would convince a jury to find in favor
of the existence of this phenomenon, and the cover up
and the secrecy way beyond they to debuncket and so
right now, that's all. That's the best we got until
we actually get something that is definitive, that is put

(01:32:08):
on you know, made accessible to the general public in
such a way that it just simply can no longer
be denied. That's where we're going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
I've noticed over the years that it seems like this
subject continues to get stranger instead of simpler. Do you
get the same feeling.

Speaker 4 (01:32:31):
Yeah, The reason it's getting stranger instead of simpler is
because it's getting more and more complex the you know
it used to be. Well, okay, so maybe there's aliens
for another planet and they're visiting Earth. Okay, that's that's
a fairly simplified explanation as to what might be going on,
But that's just not working anymore. It doesn't answer all

(01:32:51):
of the questions, and so now we have to start exploring, well,
what does this have to do with the nature of reality?
What are the different types of beings that we could
be encountering, and could they be extraterrestrials or could they
be time travelers, or could they be cryptos or could
they be beings that have lived here inside the planet

(01:33:11):
for longer than we've been here, or time travelers or
any number of possibilities, angels, demons portrayed in traditional religions.
They could be any of these things, and my guess
is that it's more likely that they are all of
these things. And so the explanation is way more complex
because the questions have become way more complex, and we're

(01:33:35):
finding in the situation that we're in now, is that
that is escalating. This is no longer a matter of
you know, asking a simple question for a simple answer.
All the questions we're asking now all that they open
the door to the need to ask more questions, and
it's just getting more and more convoluted. And more and

(01:33:56):
more difficult to understand.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Sometimes I wonder if we spend too much time asking
where they're from instead of what are we dealing with?

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
Well, the two the two questions go hand in hand.
But you know, I understand what you're saying, what we're
dealing with is a myriad of phenomenon that do not
have one single explanation, and that in order to understand
the bulk of it, we have to rethink everything we
believe about space and time and in reality itself. And

(01:34:32):
that's why in the new film we go so far
off the deep end as far as postulating new theories
and new things for people to look at.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
When it comes to these these unidentified objects in it,
do you feel that some of it could be time
travelers from the future coming back through or someone from
alternate dimensions coming up over to take a look at us.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
There's a lot of people who think that time travel
is a part of it. There's doctor Michael Master's, an
anthropologist who thinks that what we think or aliens are
actually time travelers. We don't really have any way of
proving that, But then we have the we have this
whole interdimensional question. But you know, people don't really even

(01:35:25):
understand what what is a dimension? If if you had
an interdimensional being coming from another dimension, well, the average
lay person doesn't even understand what that means. They understand
that interdimensional is something weird, and you know it could
be interdimensional, but what does that actually mean. We don't
really understand dimensionality the way that we think we do.

(01:35:46):
We have theories about dimensionality, but we don't understand what
an interdimensional being is or where it might come from.
We just use those words.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
I've talked to different peoples in different fields, physicists, near
death experience people, remote viewers, and the subject always circles
back to consciousness. Also, what do you think on this?

Speaker 4 (01:36:12):
Yeah, I mean consciousness. I'm one of the people that
believes that consciousness is fundamental and modern science, material science
has a really hard time understanding that or being able
to come up with explanations that fit their mold. But
once you are, and it's called the hard question in science.
This has been something that's been science has been puzzling

(01:36:33):
about since we've had scientists, is what is the true
nature of consciousness? And in order to accept the idea
that consciousness is fundamental and that what that actually means
is that everything springs forth from consciousness, and consciousness is
this active field of energy that is responsible for everything
else that is in existence. And so I did a

(01:36:54):
little experiment. I asked an audience one time, how many
of you believe if consciousness is fundamental in almost every
hand within them? And then I asked the next question,
how many of you believe that we're living in a
simulation and were only any of the hands win them?
And I was thinking about that, and it's like, look,
if consciousness is fundamental, then by the very nature of

(01:37:16):
that understanding, we're living in a simulated reality. It's the
only explanation and people are just having a really hard
time bridging that gap. But yeah, I believe consciousness is fundamental.
I believe that we exist as energetic beings and that
we choose to come into these simulated worlds that we're
able to create, that they're illusionary and like just like

(01:37:38):
a video game, so to speak, and that we come
here to do whatever it is we want to do
and to evolve, to learn to experience for any number
of reasons. But if consciousness is fundamental, then everything springs
forth from it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
My next question was going to be waterf Reality isn't
what we think it is. Do you think humanity has
an accurate picture of reality?

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
No, not by a long shot. We don't even know
what questions to ask. You know, It's like we wo say, well,
what is reality? None of us know enough about any
of it to ask the appropriate questions, and none of
us know enough about any of it to answer these
questions appropriately. Science takes a stab at it, Religion takes

(01:38:21):
a stab at it. I think simulation theory really is
one of the biggest advances, but it requires understanding a
lot of things that we don't understand. And so you
could say, well, what is reality? We're not in a
position to answer that. We're in a position to keep asking,
and we're in a position to learn what we're learning

(01:38:41):
from science about what is making physical reality. You know,
they're very close to proving scientifically that the world we
live in is a simulated reality. And once they're able
to actually trace that down to the very lost pixel,
well that's going to open up a whole lot of questions.
One thing that the one thing that it confirms is

(01:39:03):
that this is nothing new. If you look back to
all of the world's most ancient religions, every religious teaching,
every single one teaches us that we're living in an illusion.
In Christianity, Jesus says it himself that this world is
an illusion. In Islam, they acknowledge that this world is
an illusion. That it's that your life here in this

(01:39:23):
world is almost expendable. This is like in a Kununki theater,
it's so preposterous. And then in the Eastern religions it's
referred to as the maya, the illusion of reality. And
all of these teachings have been in our history for
all the entire length of our history. So just say
that we're living.

Speaker 15 (01:39:42):
In a simulation actually is backed up by what we're
taught by our most profound spiritual teachings. So I think
that non human intelligence interacting with humanity and the fact
that reality is an illusionary event, these two things have

(01:40:02):
been taught to us since we had writing.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
But it's that two elements that modern society has the
hardest time just accepting. It's it's really quite a quite
an interesting thing under.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Somewhere, like fish in a quarium. We're just seeing a
tiny piece of what's actually out there.

Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
Yeah, I think that's a reasonable assumption.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
Do you think brains filter reality.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
I think that the physical brain is the mechanism that
works within the physical world to interpret the energetic templates
that that exist to create reality. You know. So a
rather primitive way to compare this if you look at
how computer game works, right, it's all algorithms and math.
There's no there's no castle at the end of the meadow. Okay,

(01:40:52):
it's it's you don't even see the castle until you
turn the corner and there's the castle. And that castle
appears to you because in our algorithm knows to create
the graphic impression of Okay, you did this, this, and this,
so you should be seeing the castle. Here's the mechanism
for me to produce the castle, and now you're seeing it.
And this all happens in real time. And you know,

(01:41:15):
there's people like Rizwan Burk he has written many books
about simulation theory at this point, who thinks that our
reality works the same way and that you know what
we perceive. We walk into a room and that room
renders itself, and our brain is a mechanism that allows
that to happen. That room renders itself in our reality
and there you go, there's the room. And we can

(01:41:37):
touch it, we can film, we can smell it, because
our simulated reality is far more advanced than the computer
games will make it today. But it all works on
the same form.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
If full disclosure takes place, do you think it would
destroy faith or strengthen it in some way?

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
I think that everybody that if full disclosure still allows
for the idea that we're independent spiritual beings that are
in this reality to have our experience, that it does
not destroy any spiritual beliefs. Maybe some of the tangents
that some spiritual beliefs go off on, but it certainly
doesn't have to destroy our understanding that we are sent

(01:42:23):
to you living spiritual beings. But if it were to
be found out that the answer is far worse than that,
and there are some things floating around out there that
are much darker, that would be a bummer and that
would probably throw off a lot of things. The Catholic
Church issued something called the Many Worlds Edict back in

(01:42:45):
I think it was eighteen hundreds, maybe the seventeen hundreds,
where they said that there were probably numerous life forms
existing in the universe besides humans, and that that was okay.
They were all going on children, and recently Catholic Church
reinforce that by coming out and saying the exact same
thing in modern worlds. So our religions are trying to

(01:43:07):
tell us that even if we find out that there's
extraterrestrials or non human intelligence, they're trying to tell us
that it's okay that you can still believe in your
God and you can still have your spiritual beliefs, and
just because there's life on other planets doesn't mean that
it destroys it. And so they're trying to brace humanity

(01:43:29):
for that without having a huge impact on people's spiritual beliefs.
I don't know how how well that's going to go,
but you know, I hope it does, because people should
still be able to believe whatever they want, no matter
before long or not.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
Can someone be deeply spiritual and scientific without it contradicting
each other.

Speaker 4 (01:43:52):
Well, you know, Einstein is said to have been very
spiritual and scientific, and I think that in the modern
era of science, finding it atheist science is more the
rarity than an atheist scientists is more the rarity than
the norm. I think that these guys have been presented

(01:44:13):
with enough information and material and things to look at
that they have an open mind. Material of science is
very rigid, and by its very definition and the rules
that it has to adhere to, makes it impossible almost
for material to science to embrace the esoteric nature of
religions and spiritual beliefs because the scientific rigor doesn't support

(01:44:37):
being able to prove it. But that doesn't mean that
they are not one day going to come together. It's
going to take a lot of a lot of eye
opening to science because materials science as it exists today
is simply it's not cutting it. It's more and more
it's flying on. Oh well, yeah, we know this happened,

(01:44:58):
but it probably didn't happen, so it's not real. And
you can't just keep saying that things that are that
are voted with evidence just aren't real because your traditional
science way of defining things doesn't work. To define it,
we're running, We're putting ourselves in a corner that increasingly

(01:45:18):
we can't get out.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
If humanity made undeniable contact tomorrow. Is there something that
worries you more?

Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
Just that I believe that humanity's got to evolve to
its highest potential in order to realize its highest potential.
And that's up to us. And so if we're going
to continue to be to be aggressive and warlike and
dishonest and trash our planet and thrash each other, and
then you know, the only way that ends is and

(01:45:52):
ultimately a self destructive story. And so we have to
overcome our trajectory of self destruction in order to open
up doors that a species that chooses to survive and
thrive will have available to them. That a species is
just going to run itself and it's planted into the ground,
they're not going to be given the same opportunities.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
We're getting out to the last fifteen minutes. What advice
would you give somebody just getting interested in this subject,
what recommendations or advice would you give them?

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
Be ready to embrace all of the possibilities. So many
people that are tied up in UFO investigations now, people
are in silence. There's the near death experienced people. There's
all these different people that have different beliefs and they
don't understand that they're all connected. And so if you're
going to jump into it, be prepared to have a

(01:46:48):
much bigger study palette then might have been required.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Ten years ago, after everything you've experienced, the interviews you've conducted,
do you still get excited.

Speaker 4 (01:47:02):
I get excited when I feel like we're making progress.
But yeah, it's like, because I don't care about any
of the other things that you know, other people care about.

Speaker 5 (01:47:15):
It.

Speaker 4 (01:47:15):
Don't care about how much money I made off my
last film.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:47:17):
I don't care about these things. I care about is
humanity evolving in the right direction. And when I see
hope for that, it makes me excited. And when I
see you know, the opposite, well that that saddens me.
And so that's the uh, that's that's the stuff that
makes me tick. You know. I want to see I
want to do what I can to provide information to

(01:47:40):
humanity that give it, give everybody different ways to look
at things. And then I'd like to see us take
all the knowledge that is out there and redigest it
in such a way that we come out at the
other side. It's a planet. It's not being run by
sociopaths and psychopaths.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Ten years from now, when somebody looks back on the
Accidental Truth series, what do you hope they're saying about it?

Speaker 4 (01:48:09):
That they were films that set standards. The first Accidental
Truth movie is still people say it's one of the
best films ever done on the topic, and the new
one I think is probably a little bit ahead of
its time. But a lot of the stuff that we
put forth in this new film were going to be
where the conversation goes, and there's going to be a

(01:48:29):
time when people are like, yeah, that was the first
film that really helped build the can.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
I'll ask a couple more questions and then I'll let
you give all the information on where they can see
your documentaries and films and stuff. Sure, what is the
one question you've never been asked?

Speaker 4 (01:48:51):
Well, you know, I do the interviewing, so I don't
get asked a lot of questions. Although, yeah, I guess
I've been making these podcast appearances, so I've us more
and more what I think the outcome is going to be.
And that's a question I'd rather not answer.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
All right, So, people interested in your documentaries and other films,
where can I go to find these? And do you
have a website?

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:49:20):
So the website is Accidental truthnext dot com and it's
accidentaltruthnext dot com. It's got links to the movies. The
first Accidental Truth movie it came out in twenty three
then narrated by Matthew Modine and it's now on YouTube
for everybody to see for free, and I hope everybody

(01:49:40):
takes advantage of that, So just search for Accidental Truth
on YouTube. The new movie, Accidental Truth Next is again
narrated by Matthew Modein and it also features actor Thomas
Jane and music by a Hollywood composer, Allen or If
who did Halloween and star Trek and Letter the movie,
so it's kind a full sound track. That one's out

(01:50:03):
on Amazon and Apple TV and Google Play and YouTube.
It's still in the rental circuit, so you want to
support your filmmaker, you go there and you rent it.
And that's Accidental Truth Next, and it's the first one
one twenty eight Fellow Festival Awards. Accidental Truth Next is
already won nine and it's still going, so you know

(01:50:25):
they're worthwhile films if you care about the topic.

Speaker 1 (01:50:29):
What's in the future for you? Any further documentaries or
maybe books well marking.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
I'm working on a book from all of the interviews
that I've given. I used to write a lot, but
I haven't over the years. I put out hundreds and
hundreds of hours to finish content and video. I do
have two more films in the works of the Legacy
Program film and I'm helping a spiritual teacher named jj

(01:50:57):
Hurntok to put his work together into it documentary and
then after that, I'm not sure I know self, it'll
pass across.

Speaker 15 (01:51:05):
My path.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
Once is are released. If if I contacted you, would
you like to come back on the show and discuss.

Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
Those Sure, I'll do the show anytime.

Speaker 1 (01:51:16):
Alrighty, sir, Well, it has been an honor having you here.
And I'm sure after your day at the events you're
at now and you're probably tired. Plus this heats taking
it out of all of us, so we're done a
little bit early. But I'm sure you need to get
some rest, so but I look forward to having you
back on.

Speaker 4 (01:51:38):
Awesome. Yeah, I'll come on the show any time.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
Already, sir, you have a good evening and I will
definitely be back in touch.

Speaker 4 (01:51:47):
All right, Well, thanks for having me on, Thank.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
You, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
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