Saturday March 14th 2026 First Hour, Stephen Bassett, Second Hour Penel J. Smith

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Speaker 1 (00:32):
Good morning or evening wherever you may be. From the
Ozark Foothills in northeast Arkansas. I'm Carla Richardson and this
is Midnight Frequency Radio. Our guest this evening is Stephen Bassett.
Stephen is a political activist, disclosure advocate, and the executive
director of PRG, better known as the Paradigm Research Group,
which was founded in nineteen ninety six to end up

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government imposed embargo on a truth behind extraterrestrial related from
He has spoken to audiences around the world about the
implications of disclosure, the formal confirmation of heads of state
of an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race. He has
lectured around the world on the political implications of a

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uapet phenomenon, and given over one thy two hundred radio
and television interviews. Prg's advocacy work has been extensively covered
by national and international media, including being featured on CNN,
Fox News, MSNBC, The Washington Post, and The New York Times.

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In twenty thirteen, PRG organized and conducted a citizen hearing
on disclosure at the National Press Club in Washington. In
November of twenty fourteen, PRG launched a two year political
initiative out of Washington, d C. That injected the ET
issue into the twenty sixteen presidential campaign. Asset has appeared

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in many documentary films, and his lectures and interviews are
well representative on YouTube. Stephen has stated it's no longer
about the lights in the sky, It's about the lies
on the ground. And even Steven and welcome to midnight
frequency radio.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Be with you.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Carl, I'm going to hit it head on. You've often
stated the goal is a formal, official acknowledgment from the
US government. If the President were to give a television
address tomorrow confirming the reality of non human entities, what
would be the very first piece of legislator or executive
action that you would be lobbying for the next day.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I think I just been the next week or so celebrating.
I think I'd be doing, you know that stuff that
There's already several pieces of legislation that are in the system.
We have a UAP Disclosure Act which had substantial number
of positions provisions, but we need the rest of it.

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The rest of it was pulled out, So what I
would expect pretty quickly is the current bills would be
submitted right away and probably get passed fairly easily. So
the rest of the UAP Disclosure Act, which includes the
review panel and some other matters, could be easily passed

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in less than a week. There's a witness bill and
a witness protection bill that's in the works that could
easily be passed, So I would expect those things to
be pretty much right on the table right away. So
because we need the proper legislation and it's been held up,
but we have some we may progress. So that'll be

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number one. Number two will be hearings will start being
put together pretty fast. A lot of committees in Congress
is gonna want to get a piece of this action,
so they're going to be coming up with reasons to
hold hearings. There's a number of committees that could appropriately
address this issue. There's plenty of witnesses ready to come forward.

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Post disclosure will be much easier to do so, so
we have hearings. There'll be a huge amount of media coverage.
They'll be crowding all of the media rooms at the
usual places, d O, D, CIA, Military, Air Force, Army,

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of course, the White House briefly room as well. It'll
be a great deal of that, and spokespeople are going
to be coming out trying to answer as many questions
as possible. That will be pretty intense, so there'll be
plenty that'll just thrown into action right away. So I
will be kind of just sitting back watching joining and

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see where things are going to go. Danny she And
of course I think is involved in some of the legislations,
so he might be directly involved, and there's some other
groups that I think may have some plans. But initially
it's watch the basics take place, which is, we need
to finish the legislation, We need to start getting a

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number of hearings in place for witnesses to come forward,
and the media needs to have plenty of access to
spokespeople in the various departments and start asking questions. And
they don't want to dally on this because the public's
demand to know as much as possible will be intense.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Who in your vou is the most significant institutional opponent?
Is a private aerospace some more elements of the intelligence community.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
There is the issue is managed across the spectrum. I
think of entities who and what are obviously not known
to us. We do know that the Defense contractors have
a clear stake in this. That's well known. We do

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know that they put forward substantial resistance to the VAP
Disclosure Act. It was actually obvious, which is not what
they wanted. They want to stay behind the scenes, but
they were forced out of cover, so they moved aggressively
to try to get that bill substantially reduced and succeeded.
So there is a certain amount of resistance without question
from the Defense contract Does that mean it's greater influenced

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than some of the managers working out of say the
DoD It's hard to say, but I think what's important
is that this thing is managed by a number of
individuals in certain positions, and ultimately they are deciding how
much resistance is going to be put up. And what

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is problematic is that we do not know who they are.
The Congress should be working to find that out. They're
not going to give themselves up meaning oh yeah, yeah,
I'm one of those. Now. They all have other positions,
they have their jobs, they're doing this or that, but
as part of their resume, they are governing the truth embargo.

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Somebody has to They're not winging it back there. They
they have to govern the research. They have to govern
the whole classification system make sure it's holding up. They
also have to govern the efforts by the public and
others to try to get that information. All of that
has to be managed, and there are number of people
to do that, but we do not know who they are.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
The period from twenty seventeen with the New York Times
article to the David I'm going to butcher his last name,
Grouch hearings has been on Grush. Okay, have been on President.
From your unique vantage point, what percentage of the battle
would you say has been won?

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I try not to think of it as a battle
because the other side is so heavily armed. But we
made enormous progress in the last seven years, going back
to seven well now it's nine years, eight years. Team.
This is the New York Times articles triggered what we're
seeing now. It's been moving forward studly ever since. So

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good deal of progress and the hearings that have taken
place certainly are a major part of that. The legislation
is a major part of it. So there have been
several breakthroughs. But without question history we'll see the Grush
interview as one of the most important events in political history.

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He was the first individual to go under oath and
essentially confirm the et presence so many words that was.
There had been a couple of hearings and briefings in
front of certain people within the House and Senate before that,
but they didn't confirm anything. They kind of danced and

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so forth and gave reports while we're doing this, we're
doing that. But no, the first hear it that really
broke this open was the Grush hearing. There's a long
story there, everybody involved, their heroes. Hopefully it'll get properly
acknowledged and rewarded. And by the way that hearing that
was held in twenty twenty one, I think with Moultrie

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and Bray that was the first airing in fifty five
years and a slow beginning, but it took a couple
of years and then we finally got to Grush. He's
the one that made the decision to really take the
risk to come forward and take this to another level.
And I was there. I was fortunate to be president
in the room when it happened. The way they set
it up, and this is of course the House Oversight

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Committee with individuals on it such as Anaplain a Luna,
Nancy Mays, Burlison, Moscowitz. These are all heroes, and it
was a bipartisan hearing. They set it up beautifully. They
brought in Grush, knowing that he was going to come
under an enormous amount of pressure, and they didn't want
to be alone, so they brought into Wingman to testify

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with him. Graves and Fravor So Graves and Fravor I think, yes,
who had been involved in the tic Tac events and
so forth, that it were key to the Washington the
New York Times of articles and say they had some
things to say, and they were asked questions and somewhat supportive.
But it was pretty much Brush. But their presence balanced

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it made a little easier. And so he did what
he did, and he paid a price. There's no question
he has not had an easy run, and things have happened,
though because of the nature of things today, it's pretty
we know what happened. It's quite in the open, and
of course everybody involved should be ashamed of himself. They

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should have some consequences that tried to, how would you say,
undermine him with illegal in many cases activities and other
statements which are lies what have you. But so it
wasn't a picnic. It could have been a lot worse,
could have been a lot lot worse. I'm sure far
he's okay, And that was that was a major turning point. Definitely,

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we can't go back. Turning point.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Well, it was definitely not a party for him, that's
for sure. The US Senate nearly passed the most profound
legislature on the topic in history with the UFO the
Closer Act. The feat was seen as a major blow.
Was it a failure due to the strength of the
opposition or was it the strategic victory and that it

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publicly revealed the names and motives of those opposing transparency.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Well, it was a win in two ways. One, it
was the ultimate bill. It had it all. Really a
little more whistle plower protection could have been put in there.
There's a couple of other items that could have been there,
but they're really more appropriately legislated later. But it had
it all for immediately a process to get underway that

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would drain the the governments and the defense contractors files
of all this, move it into the public space. We'll
take a couple of years, no question, two three, four years.
But it would begin right away and it would be

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done appropriately and responsibly, and it was all there, I do,
just start and it would have all come out. However,
there were people that didn't want that, and so it
got pushback and they had some success. But here's the
second win. So the first win is we got half

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the bill, and that is important. The second win is that,
in this case, which is not usually not the case,
the effort to undermine it. The pushback was in the open.
I mean, there's no way they could do it without
it being obvious, and so it was clear who was
doing this, why they were doing it. It was defense contractors
and their lobbyist approaching certain key powerful people in Congress

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and telling them to start talking to some of the
people on the Reconciliation Committee strip the bill. So they
had to come out of cover, and that weakened them
as lots of people could see, oh okay, yeah, they
do play this game. They do try to hide the football.

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There is this truth embargo, and that was a win too.
But we didn't get the full bill. But it's a
major event and Schumer and Rounds are the leaders there.
They should get the lion's share of credit for that, though,
I know there were people on the staff staff also involved,
but that was the great contribution at that time. They

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came from the Senate with Schumer on the lead, and
after the bill was diminished, he and Rounds went back
into the chambers and read into the record a fairly
strong statement that they weren't done. They were going to
get this. They were going to come back at it
and get it, which was very important. And you can
find that it's on YouTube. So again, at that moment,

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we're in a place that nobody in the fifty sixty, seventies,
eighties could have even imagined. So we've crossed over to
a whole nother place and we are winning this effort,
but not yet. We still have a couple more things
to do, but we're practically there.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
How crucial do you feel international collaboration enforcing us to
closure disclosure? Well, I cannot talk about it. Disclosure. How
critical do you feel it is?

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Did you say international engagement?

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Oh, okay, not critical. Anything that's happening in any other
countries is helpful, and there has been actions by various countries,
but overall not much all of the countries that are
part of our world. I guess you could call the
democratic world have pretty much deferred to us. So I

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said many times, they're letting us do this. Now, things
will happen, something will come out, something will happen, maybe
in Peru, France will get out of report called the
Committee Report, things like that, which is going to happen.
I mean, this is a major issue. It's global, but
concerted efforts by the government to dive into it no,

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and that is intentional. It's not like they just have
no idea, so they don't what to do. This issue
is global. We're seen everywhere, contacts happening and most of
almost every country. There have been crashes in a number
of countries, but they have deferred to us and they
don't want to cut in line. And so in that sense,

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I think we have their moral support, but they're not
going to do anything dramatic. And it's almost impots to
create a kind of liaison or a group effort or
you're going to go to five six of these countries,
you know, supporters of the United States and put something
together or all come out together. Because with a leaklike hell,
and we get very messy, very quickly. And so anything

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they do that is positive that's favorable. Well, it's fine,
is it critical? No? Lee US could have ended the
truth in Barbaro anytime it wanted to in the last
eighty years, an every day it could have done it.
It chose not to, and not because they didn't have
international support. They just chose not to. I say those,

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I mean they meaning the president of all the former presidents,
thirteen of them chose not to do it.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
You often use the term self landing for disclosure. What
does that look like?

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Actually, that is not a term I use. I have
in college apology. Okay, I don't know what a self
landing is. I know that there is a big thing
about catastrophic disclosure which has come out. It's a phrase
which is cool. So much writing is going on in
this field that it's developing even more phraseology, and I

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like that catastrophic disclosure. It refers to disclosure that didn't
go well. It's that simple, and there are ways that
it could go better than others. Frankly, I don't care.
As long as we get disclosure can deal with any
side problems. But I think if someone uses the race

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solt landing, I think their meaning that it just goes
well and it's not too much a problem and not
too much anxiousness, which would be nice and I think
I favor that, but catastrophic disclosure is more worth talking about.
It varies in person to person. People have different definitions,

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which makes it very confusing. One definition of catastrophic disclosure
is the ETS put a massive craft over every major city,
every major capital in the world. That would be it, right,
Whoever the heads of state would have to come out
and go yeah, man or not alone. That's disclosure, right,
But that's really really not helpful, upsetting, and one could

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say catastrophic. Another definition of catastrophic disclosure is just disclosure.
There's a lot of people in our government that just
don't want it to happen. They have their reasons. It's
absolutely can happen. It's a big deal that it doesn't happen,
and so the idea that it happens at all is

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for them catastrophic. So just disclosure catastrophic by definition, Well,
I feel sorry for them, but so what you're going
to lose. Another example of catastrophic disclosure disclosure rather is
a how would you say, a a disclosure being used

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by the government to play games or gain the system
or play games with us, meaning they're going to do
it in such a way to effectuate a certain type
of response, manipulate the truth to some degree. So yeah,
we learn or not alone. But uh, in a context,
it's not not appropriate in the words, using this major

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event too inappropriately set a set up a situation which
otherwise wouldn't happen.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
And you have things like Project Blue Beam, false flags
and so for all of those kind of come under
that heading. And that's another form of I would call
catastrophic disposure. Uh. And we don't want that either. So
that's that's a Yeah, that's a that's my best way
of answering that.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
The top of technological embargo, if energy propulsion systems have
been suppressed, disclosure would arguably cause the greatest economic disruption
in human history. How do we manage the transition away
from the entire fossil fuel based economy without causing global chaos?

Speaker 2 (20:22):
That is scare tactics, that's propaganda, it's not true. Mining
the state of hormos can create a massive upset, chaos
and trouble. Yeah, but allowing technological breakthroughs that have been

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achieved through re engineering, et craft and maybe even talking
to live ets when they had them in their possession,
which I think they did. That doesn't mean they were
getting information about technology. But there may be profound technological
advances embedded in that work that have been going on
for eighty years, and if that comes out, we're going

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to be able to use that tech, and we will
use it well. We will certainly use it to see
if we can improve the ability to take care of
our people, and if we're wise, we'll share that with
the rest of the world so that other countries can
take care of their people. Whatever those advancements are. But

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we already know that they have been working to weaponize
it as well, So that's another issue. Weaponizing that technology
and then using it that could create catastrophic results without question,
and there is no pressure really as far as I know,
to stop them to do that unless we get disclosure
itself and all of that is then brought out and

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we can and the Congress can discuss it, the people
vote on it. Right, do you want anti gravitic delivery
systems that can can put a nuclear bomb into another
country in about three seconds? Kind of first strike stuff
that makes everybody paranoid with a finger a finger on
the trigger, I would say I would vote no. So, Uh,

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the I'm going to put this, The truth is that
any major technology that comes out is going to take
time to implement and whatever area of tech that we're

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referring to, those already involved in that area dealing with
that issue, say energy, who are filthy rich. When they
are filthy rich, pick an industry you feel they they
will have not only one, there will be a transition

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time in which they're still selling their their products or whatever,
as we still to move for a superior option. It's
going to take time. It's not gonna be overnight. And
during that time, they'll have plenty of opportunity to reinvest
all that money that they have, uh, and reinvest that
money in what will amounts to new industries, new businesses,

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new things that are making money. And they'll be just fine.
They will be just fine. And so the scare taxic
about the industry, the oil industry will collapse, Uh, et cetera,
et cetera. What can I say? It's just stupid propaganda
and uh, it's hard to they say much more than that.

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I mean, it's a complicated thing. But I mean let's say,
let's let's take a simple case where there's a tech
that you could have a device in your home and
it generates all the energy you'll ever need. You'll never
have to buy any energy from any central source forever.
That's pretty cool, all right, that that's fine. It will

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take many years to make those devices and then get
them installed. And of course, when you're talking about major industry,
we're not talking about some small advice. You're talking about
it in sit to, but very substantial advice. The tech
of the devices will cost trillions of dollars to manufacture.
Huge amounts of money will be made, and then over
time you'll have a world that is energy local, and

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if the device is hold up permanent, right, you're always
going to have that energy to get from a device. Meanwhile,
while all of that is taking place, and turllions of
dollars are being made in the sales of these things,
the cheap energy, convenient, cheap energy is going to make
it possible for businesses and other endeavors to be successful

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that otherwise wouldn't. Meaning at energy costs at this level,
you can't do it, but at energy costs at that
level you can. And so all of these businesses are
going to flourish. And the again, the industries that are
filthy rich, that are you know, they're they're transitioning out
of that the old format into the new form. They're
going to be investing their money and these new businesses

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that cheap energy creates and they'll end up richer than ever,
right and so and so, if you're an industry person
and you're buying the government propaganda in this, you need
you need to go back to school or do something
because you're not serving your country your company very well.
You're buying that propaganda. And if if, if and so,

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to the extent that any business person would would would
say something like that, it's not that they believe it.
It's just that they're they're trying to play ball with
the military intelligence complex and the UH and the managers
of the truth embargo. The There will be disruption, but
it will be positive. It could be transformative. It could

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solve a great deal of our problems. And some people
that that that's disruptive in some views. When the car
became a thing, it was very disruptive, but nobody wants
to get rid of the cars and go back to
courses and donkeys. So again, trying to keep a balanced
perspective on this is not easy. When the government is
cranking out propaganda endlessly in a giant stream, not just

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on this issue, but in everything. We are drowning, you know,
in propaganda that our government is creating propaganda that we
could create now that we all have access to a
massive audience through the blessed Internet, right, so we're we're
creating our own propaganda. And so essentially you end up
with a nocean of lies. Which is the nature of

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an ocean of lies is that a boat won't float
on it, and so it sinks. Nothing floats on it.
You put a boat out there at sinks. An ocean
of truth, credibly buoyant, can hold up massive infrastructure. So
we've got to decide, are we going to get out
of the lies in the propaganda business get the truth business?
I don't know, but I know one truth we're going

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to get pretty soon.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Do you feel the disclosure wouldn't just be about the future,
it would also rewrite the past. How does a nation
apologize for decades of gas lighting its citizens, academics, and
military person they are.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
It issues proclamations of apology. You know, we apologize We've
done it before. We're sorry about this, and we're sorry
about that. Let's move forward together. That's what you do.
You just apologize. Now does that mean that people are
going to accept your apology? Not necessarily, but you do apologize.

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That's the beginning. And then after that people are going
to be saying, okay, yeah, but you have to answer
for this and you have to answer for that, and
that gets us to another level. It's more important than apologies.
It's constructive engagement with those who have been involved in
this in order to move forward together. And there are

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two components to that. One, we need amnesty right away,
we'll have amnesty legislation passed. Amnesty basically is for individuals
that have really not broken the law, but they're under
pressure to start talking right as part of the disclosure
process and the legislation, and a lot of them may
be in a position where they very well could be

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breaking a law. I mean, it's so complex that it's
easy to think you're doing the right thing and end
up breaking some National security Director or NDA. And that's
where the amnesty bill comes in, meaning that if that
should happen, you get automatic amnesty as long as you're
just trying to service the process of getting information out.

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But then you have a more difficult law that will
have to be passed, and that's truth and reconciliation. There's
a precedence for this. South Africa is the most notable,
but this isn't really a South Africa thing. Frankly, some
bad things were done during the truth embarble and we
want to know about them right and the way you're

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going to know about them is to offer truth and
reconciliation to those that perpetrated these things. Meaning if you
come forward and completely describe why did this, why it happen,
who ordered all that, all the information so that we
have a clear history, you will be reconciled to society.
You will not go to jail, you will not be punished.
This you don't do this very often. You do it

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when the issue and the information you need is of
such importance that you simply need to get it now
because we need to move forward after disclosure as quickly
as possible, because we are in deep, deep trouble as
a civilization on the brink all the time. So truth
is reconciliation will be part of that. And then those
that want to apologize more than once welcome to do it,

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I think, and I encourage those post disclosure to try
to be as humble as possible. You've won, we finally
got it. Took too long and I get it, but
you won. We're going to get this information. Try to
show some amilody, don't quote, don't yeah, well, just don't

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glote yes right, and be somewhat humble about it and
allow people to apologize right, give them permission, accept it
when you get it, and concentrate on moving forward. We
will never have well, we will have never had an

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opportunity for quote moving forward in history, and even remotely
compares to what will be the case post disclosure, which
possibly then be doubled up if we get open contact
with ETS as opposed to non open contact. The opportunity
for us to move forward is a civilization in a

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direction that makes sense instead of where we're going now,
which is lunacy. We'll be there and it's up to
us to take advantage of that opportunity.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Is there a model for a Truth and Reconciliation commission
for the UFO subject? Do you think?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Oh? Yeah, South Africa? South Africa in order to get
out from under apartheid and not have a bloody civil
war that would go on forever. Had to create proof
and reconciliation. Desmond to too, of course, was the leader there.
I'm sure Mendella supported it, in which case everybody that
has worked in the apartheid regime and they did some

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really awful stuff, stuff that I think nobody in our
government could even imagine doing. If they came forward and
described it all, what they did, when it happened, who
was involved, they were reconciled. That doesn't mean they want
some post transition deaths and murders, what have you. I mean,

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it was pretty ugly, but it's what saved South Africa,
South Africa from real chaos. So that's that is the
best example. There may have been some others, but that's
the one I know about. Our problem is not that bad,
but this subject matter is perhaps more profound, all right,

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And so we need to know who did what, when,
how and why, and some things we will we may
only learn through truth and reponciliation, and it was without
that that stuff will be missing from the total picture
as we go.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
For dealing with the aspects of religions which major world face,
in your opinion, are the most technologically prepared to integrate
the reality of non human intelligence.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
About technologically philosophic.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
To say, theologically apologies.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Right or theologically yeah. I know. I've been asked that
many times. I'm not an expert on religion. Here's what
we know. We know the Catholic Faith has gone out
of its way to engage this issue for many years now.
Multiple entities have spoke to it, including the Pope. It's
clear they're quite ready. It's also clear that they've known

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about this for a long time. They'll probably admit that,
you know, I think they'll admit that it would be
in their best interests they did. Yeah, they have the sources.
They have unbelievable sources, so that the idea of the
Catholic Church at the level of Vatican top officials have
not figured out that there's these non humans here who

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were not saints or what you call it, the Holy people,
holy figures or whatever, manifestations of God, but just living
beings like us. We better tell. I think they've known
about it, so they're ready. In the rest. In the
other major religions Islam, Hindu Ah also and Buddhism, and

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they're the Asian religions. Almost all of them are not
showing any tension about this. Ah, it's just their their philosophy,
their approach to existence and being in its just it's
just not a big deal. I think that they will
be quite comfortable. So that leaves the non Christian Catholics,

(34:44):
and there is a good deal of those. I think
it's a billion, it's a billion Protestants or non non
Christian Catholic. Most of them look I think going to
be fine. I think there's only one area, and that
is highly fundamentalist groups. I mean there are fun ndamentalist
groups in every religion. I mean they're extreme religious aspects

(35:07):
to the Muslim faith and even some of the other
faiths and certainly Christianity. The more extremely fundamental they are,
the more they're they're they're going to be upset and
we'll struggle with it. I don't think it'll be awful,
but it will still be an issue for them, and

(35:30):
it's important one we listen to their concerns and not
just dismiss them out of hand and offer to help,
offer to provide information whatever, to enlighten it. And eventually
I think it'll it'll be okay, But they will be
the ones I think that are going to be most
troubled by it because they're they're the fundamentalist concept. Usually

(35:52):
what that means is extreme devotion to a particular way
of thinking on religion, very extreme. And anything that challenges
in any way is disturbing the force in an unacceptable manner.
And this is going to disturb the force. There's no question.
It's going to challenge everybody's thinking, everybody's worldview, and so

(36:15):
that grew. But we're talking about a tiny percentage of
the world's population. And so once again, all of the
talk about religion being upset, not almost all of it
is propaganda coming from the government one way or the
other out there to help dissuade people from investing in
this issue, pursuing it, scaring people, and so forth. I'm

(36:38):
not buying it. Never did.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
You've been lobbying for a long time. Now, what has
been the single most frustrating moment for you? Got a
list of.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Amount single most Well, look, I'll tell you what I'm
gonna do. Hang on a second. I think it would
benefit us for some light. I just realized we gotten
really better.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Let me just here this, no worries.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I'm won't shock anybody when I started to look like
the ghosts right slowly fading away. See how this was? Oh,
here we go, some people are going what just happened?

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Letty light?

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Oh there have been some punishing moments. The nine to
one one event in two thousand and one just blew
some really major progress of that was that was tough.
That was really a setback. When there was some good
movement going on in the Congress, and of course, which

(37:43):
was followed by A Rockefeller's approach to the Clinton administration.
There was a lot going on there, but Clinton got
into a lot of hot water his fault, and that
made it easier for the managers of the issue to
shut that down. And so by eighty six, ninety six,
that was shut. I was kind of disappointing. And then
things got going again. Well that was ninety six, so

(38:06):
I got it was the height of myself. So that
was that was kind of a disappointment. Then things are
going again, and by two thousand and one things are happening,
and then you have the nine to one one event
that was a shot. Then then things got going again.
Two thousand and one, two thousand and two, there were
a number of things happening. They were quite interesting. The
take in series, the twenty hours Taken series of Spielberg

(38:28):
put out was a big deal. I mean it addressed
not only contact these abduction but also the truth embargo,
and it was connected to an effort to get a
full fledged organization, a lobbying organization going called Coalition for
Freedom of Information. John Podesta was attached to that. So

(38:49):
we had Spielberg, Podesta and so forth, all happening right
around two thousand October two thousand and two. I was
there for that opening, and so hopes were high. Shortly thereafter,
the rock War began, which from day one you knew
was going to be an absolute total catastrip, which it was.

(39:10):
Now the huge disappointment, and as we move forward, it
just seems like one thing after another. Right now, I'm
trying to decide just how disappointed i want to be.
Since seventeen, we've made enormous progress. We're practically there. As
I've said one that enough has been accomplished for the

(39:34):
President to step out. There's not much more that needs
to be done. We've got legislation and we have multiple hearings,
We've got members of Congress speaking to it directly. A
huge amount of media coverage. There's no stigma anymore, et cetera,
et cetera. And so the president can step out tomorrow
and do it. That's good, right, except that the political
situation in the United States is broken down, dysfunctional, chaotic,

(40:02):
and the situation that is developing overseas is the reaching
levels of great risk. We could have a nuclear wor tomorrow.
We're in the early stages of a ramp up to
World War three. It's got all the indications we all know.
Our his historians know how world wars start. They studied

(40:24):
the ramp up to World War One really in great detail,
World War two as well, I mean everything they had,
the resources they can't filmly whatever, they know exactly what, well,
guess what it's happening again, this is we've been there before.
Now how far to go I don't know. And so
that has sidelined, certainly curtailed what we're pending significant developments

(40:48):
in Washington on this issue. Now they are going to
continue to kind of move forward because there's no reason
to not make some progress no matter what's happening overseas.
But I assure you it's limiting and it is certainly
back burned in terms of the media, in terms of
the political tension, what's going on overseas right now is

(41:11):
practically it's not substantial, and so this is disappointing to
get so close and have it blocked again right in
a way significant way, except that we are so close
now that ultimately I think this will not prevent it.

(41:31):
I think, well, the only thing that will really prevent
it now, frankly, would be the use of a nuke.
There could be two more wars, we could still have disclosure,
but as long as they don't go nuclear, I think
it gets done. And one of the reasons I say
that is that the movement, certainly I've played my role there,
have been able to make a very clear case that

(41:56):
if you're troubled by all of the unsolvable international problems
right that in many cases involve violence or war, if
you're really concerned about the political breakdown in this country,

(42:16):
disclosure really is an opportunity to change the narratives, to
twist the dials a little bit, to open up new
avenues to engage each other. It's a very positive thing. Ultimately,
it may be just the thing we need. So the
worst things get, the more we need disclosure, and we've

(42:38):
succeeded to get that out there. It's kind of in
play in that sense. It could be helpful if somebody's
got another way forward that we don't end up dancing
on a pile of nuclear ash. I'd love to hear it,
because there is nothing happening amongst the non nuclear names

(43:02):
that looks to be advancing a non nuclear world or
minimizing a non the use of nukes. Nothing. Everything that
is happening is leading us towards catastrophe, not away from it.
Pick any country, Pakistan, India, uh huh, China, give me

(43:24):
a break, Israel, I don't think so. The United States, Russia,
North Korea. Those are the nine nuclear nations which represent
over half the population of the world, and it's all
heading towards the use of nukes and not a way.
So how is this going to end? Well, it's going

(43:46):
to take something so profound that it affects the worldview
of every living person that's aware. That affects even the
worldview of every leader, but does implications for the future
that are potentially very positive. That's it. That's all we
got ending the truth embargo in this issue. Nothing else

(44:09):
is in our quiver. It's the last hour in the quiver.
We don't use it. That's the wrong analogy. Forget that.
We don't have anything else. So we have a limited
time to get disposure done and see if it helps
us get out of this mess in the post disposure world.
It's not too much to ask. And why the national

(44:31):
security people that are part of the management team that
are keeping this sly going continue to hang on to it,
I don't know. Apparently they're more afraid of this truth
coming out than they are all of the saber rattling
and threatening and actual slaughter going on around the world.
That doesn't bother them as much as this end of

(44:52):
this truth in bargo, and I hope there's not. If
there's a valid reason for that, then we are in
really deep trouble. But I don't think there is. Yeah,
and you're not telling us. And so until they come
out with that really really good reason, which means I
have to acknowledge the ety presence, then I say we
push for disclosure relentlessly. And as I've said many times,

(45:15):
our president has a rather very complicated, difficult, problematic agenda
underway right now. It's brutal right, it may not end well.
He could end up terrible with all kinds of things.

(45:40):
But there's one thing that is easy. Of all the
things he's trying to do, they're brutally hard, they're not
going well, and history is going to be tough on him.
But there is one thing he can do that's absolutely
so easy. It's funny.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Were you surprised when he ordered the release of classified
document it's related to UFOs and extraterrestrial.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Not total surprise. He said he would He would move too,
you know, get the files, which he hasn't started, which
I think is kind of started. That's a whole nother thing.
I'm not sure I kind of know. Well, I'll talk
about what happened. But that was something. Oh that's good.
That was good, no question about it. Step in the

(46:25):
right direction. Of course, a lot has happened since he
made that statement, a lot of very unpleasant things. But
make the point I'm trying to make is it would
take the president less than five minutes to end the
truth embark. That's how easy it is. He just has
to say, I'm going to talk to the country nine
o'clock tomorrow. Bring the cameras, so some cameras get wheeled

(46:46):
into the to the oval office. He sits behind the
resolute desk. Just has to be. He didn't need to
support and simply say that I am quite aware of
all the pimation coming out through the hearings and so forth.
I made some inquiries and yeah, we have non human tech,

(47:07):
non human bodies. We're not alone. It's done. And you
want to know more. There's going to be hearings, is
going to be a press conference, is going to be
all these things. But I just needed you to know
that tonight. Now I'm going to go to bed, maybe
do some tweeting, have a nice, nice late night snack,
and it's done. Disclosure is done. That's how easy that is.

(47:29):
And Christopher Mellen, who has been very much involved in
this process for nine years, I mean not nine years,
eight years, seven years, I wrote something the other day.
I think I'm quoting it correctly, which is quite true
that the head of state that does this, it finally
simply tells the truth to the people. The emperor is

(47:49):
in fact maked and doesn't have any clothes on, or
we are in fact not alone. There's ct Brosidence will
have committed probably the most profound act of any head
of state in all of human history. Now that's quite
a resume building, think about it. So this incredibly simple
thing the president could do tomorrow gets a legacy, unprecedented,

(48:16):
it will always be his. Meanwhile, he's being attacked from
eighteen different directions. Things are going bad all over here,
all over there, and that this thing is just right there,
all right. So what can I say? I invite, for
the four million time, the president to end the truth
in Barbo. Thirteen other presidents could have done it, Democrats

(48:36):
and Republicans. They talked themselves out of it, or they
were talked out of it, or they couldn't do it,
or they were afraid or whatever reason. So he can
do it, and I assure you it will not hurt
his future is last year's his legacy, It will not
hurt it. It will help in one way or another them.

(49:01):
So whoever's trying, you know, I know that his family
wants him to do it. I think his son wants
him to do it. I think Laura wants him to
do it, or Trump and I and I think there
are members of the Congress that want that. They're actually
going public on this or talking about it. So you
see it's kind of building around it. But I'm sure
there are people over the Pentagon that are just going,
oh my god, well they again do it and coming
up with whatever the hell I All I can say

(49:25):
is it's the easiest thing I'll ever do in his
entire life, and the results will be more profound than
anything that he will have experienced his entire life. And
the fact that some people don't like him, if that
upsets them that a person they don't like is going
to do this incredible thing, they don't want to talk
to him. They need to go talk to the other

(49:46):
thirteen presidents for which are alive, and ask them why
didn't you do it?

Speaker 1 (49:51):
How with the time that you've been dealing with this,
have you had to change your messaging and strategy over
the decades.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yeah, sure, absolutely, not too much. But focus. You know,
for a while I was incredibly focused on the Clinton situation,
which had great promise. Then when that was gone, I
focused on well and also the Congress that was a
citizenry on disclosure. I've done a lot of conferences, and

(50:20):
of course I'm a communicator, so I give lots of messages.
The message may change a little bit depending upon the circumstances,
but overall, not too much. It has been very simple
from the beginning. For me, there is an et presence.
We're told. There isn't we need to be told. There is.
The government's lying. And more and more, with every pasting year,

(50:43):
more and more people world wide know the government's lying,
and the government's well aware that we know that the
government's lying, and increasingly we are aware that the government
knows that we are aware that the government's lying. It's silly,
it's ridiculous, it's funny, it's right, and when you're in
times like these, this is not the kind of humor
you want. You got plenty of jokes out there, plenty

(51:04):
of comedians. We don't need the national security state doing
stand up. So it's time to just tell the damn truth.
It might lead to more truth telling. Telling truth is
similar to telling lies. Telling lies is addictive. If you
tell one, you get a benefit, you tell another, you
get another benefit, You tell another next thing. You know

(51:26):
you're addicted to lyne because hey, it's a short term
you know, benefits short of turn highs. Truth is a
similar way. Tell the truth, get you can get.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
You know.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
It can be a problem because well, you know, the
truth is tough, but you get rewarded, So you tell
another one, you get more rewards, and next thing you know,
you're addicted to telling the truth, which pretty much generates
better outcomes. So you're going to be addicted to something.
It's like I got through life as a younger man
because I was a mess. I got addicted to tennis.

(51:57):
I couldn't play tennis anymore. I got addicted to and
so yeah, that's still an addiction, but it's a positive one.
Right now, we have now a political system that is
virtually built on lies and propaganda. Not that we're special
in that regard. Almost all of the communist world was
built that way, and to somebody, we still is why
we want to emulate that. I can't imagine, but we

(52:20):
have a system built on lies, people lying, now, people
raising huge amounts of money to successfully be able to
lie their way into office. Wow, imagine that working out right?
And so here is a truth to get the ball rolling, meaning, Okay,

(52:41):
tell that truth. See what happens. It's going to be
pretty cool, and then go, oh, well that was great,
Tell another one, and then tell another one even when
it's uncomfortable, right, meaning oh, boy, people are gonna not
like this, then tell them right. We'll find that people
are much more generous when they're told the truth, even
though it's all for even for you, than they are

(53:02):
telling a lie. The problem with the lie is that
you get away with it a while until you don't,
and then there is no escape from the retribution unless
you outlive it.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
All right?

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Did I say outlive it? It outlives You sound I'm
babbling here, But most people know what I'm talking about.
They understand that the problems that lie in ethethnicity, as
well as the excessive secrecy and all of this, how
it's breaking down systems and people's beliefs to the point

(53:37):
where things don't work, non functional and even dangerous. So
this is not the society we want. It's not the
society we had after World War Two. It's not the
society I was in when I was a kid. So
how do we get here? Well, we kind of know
we got it.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
For our listener who's open minded but skeptic, someone who
would say, if this were real, we know it by now.
What is the one piece of advice, our statement that
you would give to generally give them pause, give to

(54:17):
who the listener. They're skeptical about it. They feel that
it would be released by now if it were true.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Well that's well, you've got a point. If it were true,
White isn't released by now because in this instance, right
the truth is incredibly powerful and its implications for the
national security state. And as a result, and one of

(54:48):
the reasons for that is it simultaneously simultaneously emerge at
the same time that we were building the nuclear arms race.
So you have all the NASA security people looking forward
and saying, well, I guess nuclear war's coming. We don't
want that, and so anything that could increase the likelihood
of nuclear war, we're going to just smother it. It
was very powerful motivation to deal with stuff that was

(55:13):
not not there prior to the nuclear arms trace developing.
So Roswell Crash is in forty seven, the bombs were
dropped in forty five, the nuclear secrets were known to
be in the hands of the Soviets by forty six seven,
I figured whatever they tested their own bombs, and so
the US government invested untold amount of money tens, if

(55:37):
not hundreds of millions of dollars or more in maintaining
that lie. So if you're willing to put the force
of the United States government behind a lie, if you're
willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars classifying everything
you can and using every technique to contain it, yeah,
you can keep it going for a while. That's why

(55:58):
it is true. But the government has been a fortune
to keep it from being told. And so as soon
as they tell the truth, they can spend a lot
less money on that and maybe focus on something else.
But that is the answer to that question. It's not
an accident that that truth is still not told. And
the powers and the money and it was put into

(56:18):
maintaining that lie are unprecedented. There's no I don't know,
no lie in history been supported at that level.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
I don't know. It would solve a lot of this
if the ET's decided to just make theirself known to
us instead of waiting all the government to disclose everything.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
But they do make themselves known. They fly all over
the place. They're seen all the time. We take pictures
of them, we take video of them. You know, they
deal with they would deal with individuals what we call
contact these block memories, but not always memories are recovered.
We've got tens hundreds of thousands of contact E reports,

(56:56):
So it's not that they're not interacting with us. They
turn our nuclear off while the craft is right there.
Doesn't take a genius to figure out what's going on there.
But they only go so far, and that's their agenda.
I can't offer any more than that they do what
they do because that's their agenda, and we do what

(57:17):
we do because we have our agenda. And so they
could be easily asking us questions like why do you
keep the nukes? Why do you still have them? And
we have some stupid excuse for that, there's a why
haven't you done more? I mean, I hope we'll we
may find out one day post disclosure open contact, we
maybe get answers to those questions. What was the nature

(57:39):
of your engagement, what was the agenda? What were the protocols?
So why this? Why not that? And maybe they'll live
and tell us because at that point we're part of
the larger sort of a galactic arena, or at least
a larger group where we've moved to another level, hopefully
soon to be star traveling as well, and so there's
no real need to to hide their agenda. At that

(58:01):
point we'd be like, yeah, this is how you do it.
And so if five hundred years from now you guys
are out flying around, you may be in the same
position that we are. You may be engaging some civilization.
It's basically going down the crapper and you need to
intervene and you're going to have your own agenda how
to do that. That'd be kind of cool. It's a
good science fiction book. It's best I can offer. They

(58:22):
do what they do because that's what they want to do,
and so for that reason, everything they do do needs
to be given great thought. As opposed to speculating about
why didn't they do this? You want to focus on
why did they do this? Why did they turn the
nuclear movements off repeatedly? That's one of the questions, if

(58:43):
not deep question, And the only way we're going to
know is if we finally get into open contact with them,
and they'll probably tell us. We can speculate. Certainly was
a warning and minimum, but a warning about what don't know,
but that's what they did.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
We're getting close to the top of the hour. I'd
like you to give out your website to our listeners
if you don't mind.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah, I'm My website's always under construction, but it's Paradigm
Researchgroup dot org. You can subscribe to the newsletter three
up in the left hand corner. You can also donate
up in the left hand corner. I'm a five to
one C three and there's a lot on that site.
Probably the most valuable thing is the news media archive.

(59:33):
Check it out under projects. There's seventeen thousand articles there
you can read. And then the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance is
also doing well, also a five O one C three.
The donations are welcome. Dan Harari is the chairman. I'm
the executive executive on it, and we have almost two

(59:55):
hundred and forty seven members. Check it out Hollywood Disclosure
Alliance dot org. Were someone that we appropriately could be
a founding member. Not everybody can, but talk to us,
get in touch with Dan. We're working to try to
help create the content that must come out of the
entertainment content industry about this subject. But make sure that

(01:00:16):
the people that know all the stuff about it. My
friends and colleagues are participating. They go to them and say,
you know, we laughed at you twenty years ago, but hey,
you guys really know what's going on to help us
make this content. So that's what the HDA is about,
all right. Leading the field right now, leading the activism
is a new paradigm institute dot org and they have

(01:00:39):
a very substantial project called Citizens for Disclosure. I think
they're in thirty five states now, they'll eventually be in
all fifty. This is a fundamental grassroots effort to get
people involved in closing the deal on getting the tooth
embargo ended and of course the legislation. But more importantly,
a full fledged fifty state, multi multi multi organization, maybe

(01:01:04):
hundreds of organizations with tens, one hundreds, thousands of people
will also have a post disclosure role because there's going
to be a lot of legislation, it will be past
post disclosure. There's going to be a lot of decisions
have to be made post disclosure, and the public doesn't
participate in those decisions or show their feelings about legislation,

(01:01:27):
then others will do it for them, and they may
end up with a post disclosure world that looks just
like the predisclosure world, and that would be a tragedy.
And so the opportunity for nonpartisan, high concept, pretty cool
engagement on the part of hopefully tens in couple hundred

(01:01:49):
million people in this country. That's post disclosure. It's going
to you know, if you can't get involved in something
like this post disposure, you're never going to get involved
in anything. So the question is will they new powerim
Institute is absolutely setting itself up for that while still
working for disposure now. And then you've got other organizations
the Sole Foundation, the UAP Foundation, I got that right,

(01:02:13):
an EAPED Foundation, and there's a number of other groups
that are forming quickly, almost all of which you are
five to one c threes. So all the philanthropists out
there that have been putting billions and billions and billions
of dollars into every single cause, you can imagine allworthy, right,
because they like that they get a tax deduction, they
feel like they're making things better. Who have not put

(01:02:36):
a penny into this issue, literally nothing. There are a
couple of tiny exceptions because of the stigma, right that
it used to have the stigma of UFO. They're really cool.
They demeaning the embarrassment, the little Green men crap, and
it's like, I don't want to be associated with that.
I have great causes, Why should I be stigmatized. The

(01:02:57):
stigma's gone. You can donate to this field without any concern. Frankly,
and I would like to point out is probably the
most important issue in the world, and of all the
major issues in the world, absolutely is funded. It's not
even close. It's at the bottom. Right, you almost pick

(01:03:18):
any other issue, you know, you know, palm and problem,
you know, you know, the psalm and swimming upstream problem
and get to the Northwest, whatever the hell it's get
it gets more money than this. It's time for them
to decide, Hey, if we're going to make the world better,
here is an issue. It could literally transform the world.
I need to donate there too. Get we need to

(01:03:40):
give those nonprofits money to work with, right, because the
people that are doing it are literally tearing your lives up.
I mean they I assure you they're not living large.
They make enormous sacrifices, which means that they're only they're
less effective. So when the philanthropists, and this is a
non partisan issue, it's been absolutely defines as a partisan.

(01:04:01):
So I don't care what political party you're in, even
extreme left or right, you can donate to this issue.
Nobody's gonna question. So that's my last statement. Is it's
time to do that and be part of the transition
it's underway, and be proud. Wow, I help make that happen.
The stigma is gone, take advantage of.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
It, get with it. I'm like you, it just needs
to be done. And oh that's he hoing around. It's
just ridiculous. Do you have any YouTube dedicated sites? So
would it be easier dish to go to YouTube and
do a search for Stephen Bassett and look you up

(01:04:46):
that way?

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Yeah? Yeah, if you google Stephen Bassett and not Steve
but Stephen Bassett. Move on past the Canadian Cyclist, find
cyclist getting better all the time up some of my space.
There's money there should there be more, there should be.
I've always operated way under always underperforming because I'm just

(01:05:11):
terrible at raising money. It's not my thing. I'm trying
to get better, but it just wasn't my thing and
it's who I am, it's whatever. But nevertheless, established a
bit of the presence. But I have colleagues with a
huge presence. But being inn by the way AI now

(01:05:33):
makes it possible for anybody to get up to speed
on this issue in rapid time before it was like
checking out websites or something, or you know, read ten books. No,
now you can ask Ai, I prefer Gemini, any question
about this, right, ask it about the Project Blue Book,

(01:05:55):
why was it shutdown this or that or what anything,
and you can start getting the stuff back right. So
now you can really get up to speed on this. Well,
I'm going to read a thousand books or whatever. But
then if you like podcasts, there's hundreds of podcasts on this.
You get plenty there. And so it is either not
an accident but certainly convenient that the ability of eight

(01:06:17):
billion people to get up to speed very quickly on
the reality of an ET presence, the history of that
presence and the history of the embargo to prevent us
the knowing about it. They've never had the better tools
to do it. And so if we get the announcement tomorrow,
the entire world is going to be able to use
those tools to become pretty well educated on this new

(01:06:39):
world that you're in very fast. That is helpful. That
would not been the case in nineteen forty or fifty
if there have been a disclosure by Truman in forty seven.
The world did not have those tools, and it we've
been a little awkward in terms of digesting that and
dealing with it. It would have been a little more problematic.
I still think you should have done it, but now

(01:07:01):
not so much. So be ready to use those and
invite people and start doing it now. Don't wait. So
it's not just googling a person or whatever. It's asking
questions right, which AI is happy to answer. And this
is an area where there's so much known on the
internet you can pretty much you get very good responses.
I have yet to get a wrong one yet where

(01:07:22):
they got something wrong. I'm not saying it can't happen,
but I'm a Gemini guy. But meanwhile, there's plenty of
other AI out there. And then finally, not coincidentally, I
think if we get disclosure this year, which we should get,
and then open contacts, say in ninety seven, and so

(01:07:43):
that there is the bit, we start to be able
to engage them in an open way. And by we
I mean authorities, scientists. It won't hurt to have AI right,
because you're trying to communicate with an advanced civilization that
you're trying to maybe convey certain things. We may absolutely
need AI to be able to interpret and understand it.

(01:08:05):
So it's is it a coincidence that we just happened
to them to be entering the AI age literally is
disposures upon it? Maybe maybe not, but again that shows
you the possibilities of a post disposure world. So look
at the current world, look at the predisposure world, and
ask yourself, how well is it going? How happy are you?

(01:08:26):
Are you eager to have more children? Are your children
eager to have children? Are you tense? Are you on
a lot of medications?

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
And then imagine a post disclosure world and see if
you can understand why that's another world altogether. And then
you decide, am I going to help get there? Am
I going to sit by and wait for it behind
delivered to me? Yeah? That was kind of nasty, I said,
decide whether you can get involved in that. Okay, I
think that's a great, great evening. Are we ready to wrap?

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Yeah? I'd like to remind the listeners if you go
to Paradigm Researchgroup dot org there is a donation button
on the top left hand side of the screen if
you'd like to donate Steven's organization and Steve, it's been
a pleasure heaven you here, and I look forward to
seeing you at the Ozark UFO conference.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Oh yeah, I forgot. I will be speaking at the
Ozark conference. Okay, my first time in almost ten years.
Last time I was there, I was sitting at the
knee of Jim Mars listened to him play the guitar.
I will be speaking at Contact in the Desert May
twenty eighth of June one. That's going to be huge.
The ticket sales are off the chart. It's going to
be massive. And I'm going to be speaking at the

(01:09:40):
UFO con in Berlin Game coming up this next weekend.
And I'm going to be speaking of the New Life
Expo in New York in April. So still got out
in those conferences. Come talk to me, ask me questions,
give me a hard time, and with that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
I really appreciate you coming on my show. I know
I'm a small I'm kind of person, but I'm growing
and you're a definite guest to have on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
You're not a small pipe time person. You are a
part of the podcast army that is going to bring
the world the truth in Bargo. Okay, don't ever forget that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
I must definitely hope so because I'm ready for it.
Good thank you, sir. You have a good evening.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
You are welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
All right, good night.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
The time can not be.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Dude, I'm good at mine.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
So I've done all.

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Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
I the scene of I have a special guest. I
wanted to bring on this evening by the name of
Panel J. Smith. She's my mod on Twitch and she's
been a friend for some time. Panell is an author, poet,
and a painter. A children's book, Hugo and Fluffy Tales,

(01:15:38):
was presented to His Highness to Dalai Lama and he
enjoyed it very much. Panell has written four books. Her latest,
Gaya City, is a fantasy novel which will be published soon.
Panell is interested in a number of topics such as Bigfoot,
the history of life on Earth, and quantum physics. Panell,
Welcome on to Midnight Frequency Radio. You're a big part

(01:16:00):
of my behind the scenes, but it's it's great to
actually have you on the show, you think, Carl, Oh,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
I'm here.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
Yeah yeah, I was just trying to watch the stream
and I'm getting like two things happening at once in
my head phone.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Oh yeah you can. You might want to mute the
stream itself because it'll confused you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Yeah. Well, I just turned it off because it's just
like I don't know how to mute.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Just one thing, Like, did I pronounce the title of
the book correct? Is it Gaya City or is it
Guy City?

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Jaya City, like you know, it sort of short for
Giant okasically giant city basically, but I made it kind of,
you know, more interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
It's kind of a fantasy type tale I found what
I apologized, I didn't get to finish it. I've had
so much going on here lately. But it's it's an
enjoyable story. Would you like to tell a little more
to the listeners about the boat?

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Yeah, it's uh, it's about uh, like, it's about this
this woman who uh works for the Trylons, who were
the really rich people running the world at the time,
and she she uh was told that she could go
to the neighboring planet and uh, but she couldn't bring

(01:17:26):
her cat. And of course the cat is named terryin
after my cat, because she has to be in the book,
of course. And so like she goes and escapes from
Jaya City, which is a very polluted city. It's got
a lot of smog and like it's sort of like
Los Angeles used to be, but worse, but worse, worse,

(01:17:48):
I think worse because they didn't do anything about their pollution.
These people they just let it keep going, like they
didn't try to, you know, calm to you know, like
have things in the cars to keep them from polluting
so much and all that kind of thing. So like,
and they kept their whatever they were using for the
dirty up the air for you know. Like, so she

(01:18:11):
she leaves and she has to go through this maze
of tunnels that I kind of base the tunnels on
what's in Toronto here, which is a path system it's
called which goes underneath several city blocks to different different
malls and things, all the way down to Union Station

(01:18:35):
and and so like it's quite in it's kind of
hard to navigate the path system, Like there's kind of
little signs here and there. You go here, and you know,
it's you kind of feel like you might get lost.
So I made it sort of like that. And she
escapes into a forest with this woman and and they

(01:18:58):
all it's uh, it's all it's all very strange to
her and dream like in the part she keeps thinking
the woman turns into a unicorn and and the and
she and the unicorn can purify water and things like that.
It goes on to that I don't want to say
the whole ending, but oh yeah, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Give out the whole book and no one will want
to writ it, so.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Yeah, that's true. I've got to get a published first,
of course. But I've I worked on it for a
couple of years, Like I was. I came up with
the idea because like all those billionaires that were almost
trillionaires were wanting to go to Mars. Yeah, and so
I kind of was thinking about them when I wrote

(01:19:45):
the book, like about how these people wanted to go
to another planet and what would they do there?

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
And one question, does she ever get to take Terrain
with with her?

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Yeah, she escapes with with Terrain. That's why she leaves,
is she she has to take the cat. So she
takes teren with her, and Terin is a very special
cat and makes her accepted by these by the sort
of rebels or people that are just trying to live
away from the city in the forest. So terene Is

(01:20:21):
turns out to have special powers.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
I know what's in the process of being published. Where
will the likely places be where people could go to
order it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
I'm not sure, it depends, Like I'm not I haven't
been accepted by the publisher yet, Like I just sent
it to a big public McLelland and Stewart. That's it
used to be Canadian, but it's joined with a bunch
of other things Penguin, Random House and places like that now.
And I sent it there thinking maybe because they've got

(01:20:56):
so many books they put out, they might be more
likely than a small publisher. Sure, the small publishers just
sort of like they're overwhelmed quite often. They don't have
enough staff for all the books they get, and they
don't put out very many books either. So like I'm
kind of hoping that I'll probably end up publishing it self.
Publishing it, I would because I'm not sure how well

(01:21:19):
to be received by a big publisher.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Well, as soon as everything is finalized, let me know,
and I will post a link on the NWDN dot
net website and people can go and check it out.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Yes, that's like my other books, like Hugo and Fluffy Tales.
You can get through Lulu dot com and it's also
available at Indigo stores. You can order it from Indigo
stores here in Canada, and I'm having a signing of
that on May thirtieth. Of Hugo and Fluffy Tales.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
You also have another the book out called Ghosting. Could
you tell us a little about that one.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
That one's another escape book, maybe because I have so
many dreams about running away from things, and so like
kind of it helps to put him into a book
and then you don't have that many dreams about that.
But so like I, she escapes from a religious fanatical
cult that they they even want to go after ghosts

(01:22:27):
to try to force them to go to hell if
they weren't the right kind of people and what they
think are the right kind of people in life. So like,
she's somebody who can talk to ghosts. This girl who
escapes and she goes, she runs away to Toronto, finds
finds a man there. Like the thing with ghosting is

(01:22:50):
that I kind of I when I wrote it because
of where my mother was born was in Salamanca, New York.
And that's a town in the middle of a reservation.
And she always looked indigenous, and I'm always getting mistaken
for that. Like I had one man tell me, now,

(01:23:12):
what tribe are you from? Me was like he was
staying at name res here in Toronto called it's Native
Men's Residents short for and uh He's He called out
to me, what try are you from? And I said, oh,
I'm not indigenous, and he says, oh, you passed for white.

(01:23:33):
It's like, oh, dear, what I was supposed to say?
You know, like that's really strange.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
I've got Cherokee in me, but I still I am
not as white as you can get.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
So yeah, well, like ours, there's no no stories of anything.
Like my mother said she heard a vague story when
she was a child of other children talking about her,
wondering why she looked indigenous, I guess, and she said
that some woman went off with an Indigenous man and

(01:24:04):
they got her back and married her really off, really fast.
So like you kind of wonder what happened there, And
she didn't know who it was or when it happened
or where it happened, so that wasn't much help. But
that's the only you know, And she didn't know like
who the indigenous man was either, like what tribe he
might have been from. But then like her father was

(01:24:26):
a doctor in Salamanca, and it did happen, like she
was born in nineteen twenty, and it did happen back
then that doctors would take babies away, you know, and
like you know, maybe there was some n web mother
or something. I don't know, but that's the thing is
like it's not in any records, not that none of

(01:24:48):
us is in any records. My mother's family was kind
of a hoity toity, mostly English family, so like they
talk about having my mother had a christening gown that
of being given by Queen Anne to somebody in the
background who was a lady in waiting to Queen Anne,

(01:25:12):
so like they were really they would hide anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Obviously, you will do a lot of powwows up in
your area.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
We got a there. I don't go to very many
because like there's only two in Toronto, I think, and
there's one on the summer summer solstice, and then there's
one in the fall at a college at a university

(01:25:46):
near me. So I meant to go to that and
I forgot about it. So I missed it this year
and it was really hot today of the the pow
wow this last year, so I decided not to to that.
But I have been to a few few powers and
I just feel at home there because it's nice to

(01:26:07):
be around people who look kind of look like me.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
So yeah, I haven't gone into any here, but you know,
as you know, I have COPD and most of them
here in the worst part of summer with the humidity,
and I just cannot tolerate that. But I'm sure they
would be really enjoyable.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
Oh they are, yeah, Like it's like there's some like there.
Some of them are bigger than of course some of them.
They probably the Toronto one obviously is quite large and
quite crowded, but it's quite it's quite good to walk
around and see what regalia people are wearing, and and

(01:26:47):
watch a bit of the dancing and h and the
booths are quite interesting. I bought a hat the last
time that says honor the Treaties, so which is kind
of when I wear that in the summer. It's a
bucket hat, so it's quite nice and uh, and you

(01:27:08):
can get all kinds of interesting things. It's good for shopping.
I'm a woman, so I like doing that. Lots of
nice jewelry and things. And it's like there's so much
to look at it's hard to know what to look
at next. Like the Navajo tacos are always there's always

(01:27:30):
like a looks like a two hour long lineup. So
I've never had one of those.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
I've never had one either. What's in them? Do you know?

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
I think it's it's sort of like it's put on
fry bread and you like it's sort of it's sort
of like pizza toppings in a way, like it's like tomato,
sauce and cheese and some a few spices. Like I
had one that was in a rest on to Toronto,

(01:28:00):
but it was on a bannock instead of a frybread.
So I've never had the you know, like the real one,
because in Canada we have bannock and we don't have bread. Frybread.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Really it sounds good to me, of course. Yeah, I'm good.
You know, you can tell me whatever you want, just
don't be late for dinner.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Yeah, yeah, like yeah, like I and I really enjoyed
the one that I had, but it's like kind of
a you know, subway out a street car right away,
so it's kind of far for me. It takes about
half an hour to get there, so and street cars
are very unreliable.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
Would you like to give our listeners a web address
to visit your side. I'm sure you'll have information there too.
When the new book is released.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Yeah, let me just I've got to I never remember
what it is. Let's see, it's panel j Smith dot
wick site dot Com, slash panel, dash Ja dash Smith
so with https in front, of course, Well.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
I appreciate you coming on the show, and I also
appreciate the work you do behind the scenes with modeling
my Twitch page because there's all kinds of ref raff
on Twitch.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
Yeah, well it doesn't, it doesn't haven't been bad the
last few times. Like there, I haven't noticed any uh
spamy spammy people or well those are probably bots, They're
not probably not real.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Yeah, which has got its share of bots, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
Yeah, that's for sure. You know, like they like my
web page has uh my books up that like that.
I have self published, like I was. I was unlucky
with with Hugo and Fluffy Tales as I finished it
just when Harry Potter books came out and it's a

(01:30:05):
children's book, and all of a sudden, all the places
that did take children's books got everybody and their grandmother
sending in children's books thinking maybe the next millionaire, and
so you didn't get looked at. So I gave up
and self published because it was just but it actually
ended up lucky. Yeah, well they end up being lucky

(01:30:28):
for me with the Dalai Lama because then I could
go I could take charge of that and not ask
them to send it. And I sent him a couple
of chapters and some illustrations that I'd done, and they
sent me back a nice letter saying, yes, you can
dedicate this to the doll. I asked if I could

(01:30:48):
dedicate it to him, and they said, oh, yes, you
can do that. That's fine, and they and I have
that letter framed place, and people who buy a book
at my book signing will get a copy of that letter.
And I met him in nineteen eighty when I was

(01:31:09):
working at Henry Burke's jewelry store here and I was
working in the watch repairs, and he's interested in watch repairs.
He likes to do that himself when he has time,
and so he came in there unexpectedly, and nobody knew
who he was then, because like i'd seen the picture,

(01:31:30):
a little picture in the paper the day before, and
I thought, oh, that's too bad. I could find out
what a Tibatan Buddhist is really like, and I can't
because he was my work day when he was going
to the university for a talk. And then he shows
up in the store in the morning and it's like
and I was the only one at the counter and
the watch repairs. He came up to me and does

(01:31:52):
this little bow and I'm sitting there that's the dollar.
Oh my god, I'm sort of bowing back and he's
looking at him like is this okay? And he said yeah.
He's nodding away and had a big smile on his face.
He really radiates holiness, which is wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
And uh, I'm sure watch it. I'm sure watch repairs.
I worked in a two way communications field, repairing radio
equipment and of course installing it and everything else. But
as the years go by, the eyes start to go
on you and it gets harder and harder to see

(01:32:28):
to work on the tiny stuff bestly surface mall equipment.
I'm sure watch repairs the same.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
Oh yeah, like, well they've got This was when they
had like like it was before all the electric watches
and stuff. It was like they they had you know,
like you wind up your watch. It was just a
thing or the most like when I first started, like
in nineteen eighty, like they were coming out with a
few ones, but they didn't work very well. And uh

(01:33:00):
so like they didn't have the quartz watches all over
the place and so like, and that's kind of watches
that he wanted to repair. And like the screws and
watches are like, you know, like a millimeter. Yeah, they're
like a millimeter or something, you know. And so and
of course Berks had this fancy Aubus on carpet, like

(01:33:22):
they're really expensive because it was a really high end
jewelry store up there with Tiffany's and all those and
and so like so many times back in the watch
repairs we had that carpet. There'd be a bunch of
people crawling around on the carpet in this one English. Yeah,
that's funny. Ghost lady would always say in a loud voice,

(01:33:44):
we're looking for a screw in the rug.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Well, hands soldering got to be a thing of the
past with a lot of the equipment. It was more
of a heat gun soldering and a low tim but
your solder pace so it didn't have to be heated
as much. And then you had to buy all the
updated equipment to continue working on it. And it got

(01:34:09):
to the point where the manufacturer shift said just replace
the board. Well, you know two A communications it was
by the hour, charged by the hour on when you're
working on stuff and just replacing boards just took the
money out of that big time. It's like working on
computers now. Oh yeah, well, Nell, it's been a pleasure

(01:34:32):
to have you on the show. And like I say,
once your a book is released, let me know when
I'll get the internet address out there for people to
go and pick.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Up a copy. Yeah, Like I hope that people will
enjoy it. It's just mostly it's an adventure kind of novel,
like It's ghosting was a kind of romance one, Like
I kind of thought that there should be somebody writing
indigenous romances that had two indigenous people, not just one

(01:35:02):
white person saving the indigenous person. Yeah, because that was
kind of annoying. But of course that wasn't my place
because I I but you know, so I have an
apology in the book. But you know, like that's like
that was a romance. But this one is just like
it's just an adventure where she gets away and she
meets some friends and she and she does things, you know,

(01:35:25):
basically and is in charge of her own life and
not not someone yet, yeah, not depending on these people
that were kind of just wanting to use people because
they were rich and they could.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
Do that, So there's a lot of that nowadays.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
Yeah, well that's like, well, obviously, like it's always based.
Anything you write is based on what's happening around you,
even if it's a future thing, because you know, if
you're wishing the future would be like this instead of
like how it is or something, but you have to
get to the future first, so like so, you know,

(01:36:05):
but it's I think it's it might be a it's
a fun novel to I hope it's a fun novella.
It's a novella. It's called because it's short.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
So well, I enjoyed what I what I had time
to read. Things have been kind of hectic here. My
daughter is getting ready for ATLAS testing in school, and
I've had to go over some different math stuff with
her to make sure she's got it before the testing.
So it's taking time away from day to day life,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
Yeah, well I find that I don't read as much
as I used to because it just seems like you
get stuck in computer stuff and forget about it and
then you're, oh, there's that book there.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
Yeah, are you getting ready for a show and you
got a bunch of recordings to make up and.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
Yeah, you know that takes up time to like, right, like, well,
the worst part about writing a book is editing. That
seems to take more time than writing the book actually,
but because then you're sitting there at the computer and
trying to figure out like did I say that sentence right?

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
You know, yeah, like things like that, and you know, so.

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
So this one, I don't really describe anybody. Nobody's any
particular race or nationality or anything. And I just like,
put your own stuff into there. You can imagine them
looking how you want them to look. I don't care,
you know, I can look like you or look like
somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
Like.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
I'll let you get on with your evening, and I'm
going to run through the routine of closing this one down.
And then I think I need to eat something.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
I have it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
I only ate a snack before the show, and now
I'm stomach scrambling, so.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
Oh okay, yeah, well yeah, you better eat something that's
good for you. And I didn't want to eat before
the show because then I'd start burping like crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
I can relate, So alrighty, panel, do you have a
good evening? And okay, I appreciate you coming.

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Okay, thanks for having me on, Carl, you have a
good Okay, go.

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The remedy to cure this.

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This is dark Matter News. I'm Joshua Stark. Scientists may
have found a powerful new way to fight one of
the most lethal cancers. A study published in the Proceedings
of the National Academy of Sciences reports that targeting pancreatic
cancer with a three drug combination dramatically reduced tumors in

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laboratory models. Pancreatic ductyl adenocarcinoma is especially difficult to treat
and has a very low survival rate, in part because
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the CRASS mutation, a major driver of pancreatic cancer growth.

(01:39:49):
Drugs that block CRASS have shown promise, but cancer cells
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team has combined a CRASS inhibitor with two additional drugs.
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China has successfully tested what's being called the world's first
megawatt class airborne wind system. The airship like platform recently
completed a flight test in the city of Yubin, rising
to almost sixty five hundred sixty feet while generating electricity
that was transmitted directly to the ground. The system uses

(01:41:17):
a large helium filled aerostat to lift wind energy equipment
high into the atmosphere, where winds are typically stronger and
more consistent than those near the surface. Turbines mounted on
the airborne platform capture that energy, while a tether cable
both stabilizes the craft and carries electricity down to the grid.

(01:41:39):
During the test, the platform climb for roughly half an
hour before hovering steadily and producing around three hundred and
eighty five kilowatt hours of electricity. The prototype airship measures
nearly two hundred feet in length and represents a major
step forward in the development of high altitude wind tech technology.

(01:42:01):
Engineers say tapping winds thousands of feet above the ground
could significantly increase in renewable energy production compared with traditional
wind turbines. The system could also provide power in remote
areas or operate alongside conventional wind farms. Developers believe the
approach could eventually create a new form of three dimensional

(01:42:24):
wind power, capturing energy from parts of the atmosphere that
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you think. That's it for Dark Matter News. Catch up
with us on the Midnight Frequency Facebook page. From Memphis, Tennessee.

(01:42:46):
I'm Joshua Stark.

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Time was drift in this rock got the road, so
I had the road and made my getaway less feel
and really got a hold.

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
I sat.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
It's such a.

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
Welcome back to Midnight Frequency Radio. Next week's guests will
be Lloyd Aurowback. He's a paranormal authority and a parapsychologist.
He has forty five years experience in investigating the paranormal
in over forty years teaching courses on parapsychology. So Lloyd
should be a fantastic guest for Art Beryl. Yeah, I

(01:43:41):
can't talk for Art Bell, Joshua start, Josh cheers, and
Lady Marie, I'm Carl Richardson. Until next time, remember to
continue to explore the unknown.

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