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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Sigel Christmas.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Good morning or evening wherever you may be from the
Ozark Foothills of northeast Arkansas. I'm Carl Richardson and this
is Midnight Frequency Radio. Our first guest this evening is
Noreo Hayakawa. Noreo calls himself an unorthodox ufoologist an activist.
He has spent almost ten years specifically investigating Area fifty

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one in Nevada. He says that there is much more
to Area fifty one than the superficial facts made public
about this well known base. In nineteen ninety he also
began to investigate the strange going ons at deLuce, New Mexico.
After more than forty five years of researching the UFO phenomenon,
He says that a condition of belief system has been

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orchestrated since nineteen forty seven by the manipulative force that
is preparing mankind for a near future mysterious scenario. The
ingrain and the altered realities beyond both Area fifty one
and the Loose will play a role in that scenario.
In March of two thousand and nine, he organized the

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first ever underground based conference in the Loose, New Mexico. Well,
good Evin Rio, and welcome to Midnight Frequency Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Thank you so much all for inviting me to your program.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, it's an honor to have you here. And for
the listeners who may not know you. How did you
first become involved in researching Area fifty one and you songs?

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, actually, it was in nineteen eighty eight that I
became fascinated with two topics which came out around the
same time. It was in nineteen eighty eight that a

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researcher by the name of William L. Moore sent me
a fascinating packet which included a Russian satellite photo of
this location known as Area fifty one, And that was

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a fascinating thing. But even more fascinating was that at
the same time I had learned of the existence of
a mysterious place in New Mexico hidden the inside and

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Native American reservation called Hikaria Apache Reservation, and the main
community was called the Dulce the town of Bulcei. But
actually the correct name of that place should have been

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Agua Dulce, which means sweetwater in Spanish. So these two topics,
Area fifty one and Doulci in New Mexico are two
topics that are probably the most too important topics in
today's yourthology. So ever since nineteen eighty eight, I was

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fascinated about these two locations, and so it was in
ninety that I actually went to these locations. But of
course I couldn't get inside the Area fifty one facility

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in Nevada, but only to the boundary line of that facility.
And you know, I was accompanying a Japanese television group
to make a two hour documentary film about the Area

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fifty one facility, and the doc New Mexico facility alleged
a facility because right after covering the Area fifty one,
the team flew to New Mexico and we did like

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in interview in the town of Bilsey, New Mexico, asking
the townsfolk about whether the alleged rumor about a secret
base there is too or not. So that was the

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year nineteen eighty eight, and then actually in nineteen ninety
nine of nineteen ninety I visited those locations, and ever
since then, these two topics have been my passion in
the field of ethology.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
At what point did you realize that Area fifty one
was more than just a secret military base?

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Well, after taking a lot of journalists and reporters to
the perimeter of Area of fifty one, I became convinced
later on that there was nothing Indian about Area fifty one,

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and I began to conclude that it is very important
conglomerate research and development and testing location for America's leading
edge military technology and avionics and aviation, you know. And

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so eventually I became convinced about it. And I also
became convinced that Area fifty one has been used as
like cover story, you know, and to promote the alien

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present theme. And so that's the extent of the study
about Area fifty one that I have had. But on
the other hand, do see New Mexico is something that
is still mysterious. And what I'm saying is that ever

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since nineteen ninety after I first visited that location Dulcee,
New Mexico, I have made many many friends of the
Higary Apache Native Americans, and I still go there occasionally

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looking for any physical evidence that there is a physical
underground base inside the so called Archuleta Mesa and the
Archilata Mountain right next to Dulcin, New Mexico. But after
all these years, I still haven't gotten any credible, solid, factual, physical,

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you know, evidence at all that there is a physical
base there. However, I came to the conclusion that there
is still something going on, and it may not be physical.
That's my conclusion, and in fact, that's my whole outlook

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on UFOs, the mysterious UFO phenomenon, which I believe is real,
no question about it, But I came to the conclusion
that this phenomenon may not be totally physical. In fact,
I use the term paraphysical in describing what may still

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be going on even today in and around Dulcy, New Mexico.
There are still reports of residents there that claim they
have seen strange lights, sometimes on a nightly basis, and

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also some strange unidentified dark helicopters flying over that community
occasionally even today, you know. So I'm convinced that there
is something there, and that's what makes me continue my

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never ending research on these matters. In fact, as I said,
the subject of UFOs or unidentified aerial phenomenon or unidentified
anomalous phenomena is the most important topic in our life.

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In fact, it's the most important topic anywhere in this world.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
After studying this topic for so many years. What still
fascinates you the most about UFOs.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Well, what fascinates me about this so called UFOs is
the fact that despite I would say thousands of years
or even more, despite time memorial from timely memorial, people

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have claimed seen strange sights in the sky. And it
didn't just happen in modern times. It happened thousands and
thousands of years ago. You can look at all the records,
historical records of people who claim to have seen strange
sights in the sky, and yet even today, we still

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have no tangible physical evidence that these are physical objects
coming from far away out of space. And that's the mystery.
That's the mystery because if we in the future, which

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I doubt very much in the future, if we understand
this phenomena, you know that it's we can't grasp the
significance of this phenomena even even yet, So I have
no words to describe how we would feel if, miraculously,

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in the near future something is revealed.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
But I have a feeling they're not planning on revealing
at any time soon. But that's neither here than there,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yes, you know, the talk about disclosure is very popular
nowadays because you hear of congressional hearings every year that
you know that promises every year, year after the congressional hearings,

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promise us that we're going to get some truth to
the phenomenon. And this has been going on for the past,
you know, five or six years, and yet even today
it's nothing but just talk and talk with no substantial

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presentation of tangible physical evidence.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
But yet.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
This phenomenon seems to be real. But as far as
I'm concerned, the Pentagon is totally divided on this issue,
totally divided on this issue. And this is the reason
why the Pentagon and the US Military can never make

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any statements on this phenomenon because they themselves are confused
about the real nature of this phenomenon. And well, the
two camps within the Pentagon and the military are one

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camp that is consisced that we are being visited by
physical extraterrestrial biological entities in their physical extraterrestrial spacecraft. That's
one camp, and the other camp is saying that these

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are not physical entities in their physical spacecraft, but these
are non physic physical intelligent entities showing themselves in a

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pre selected manner to some pre selected individual or groups
of individuals for reasons yet unknown, and the reason of
their unwillingness to reveal themselves is still a big question.

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But I am not convinced that this so called disclosure
will take place through human means. In other words, the
Pentagon or the military will never ever disclose anything because

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they cannot disclose something that defies scientific explanation. And the
our government is not in the business of explaining non
scientific things to the public, which may border on religious beliefs.

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Even so, that's why there is this there are two
camps in this situation.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Well, I think you did a good job of explaining
the double talk from the Pentagon and other government agencies.
What are your thoughts on Bob Lazar's story that he
worked at S four at Area fifty one.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Well, Bob Lazar is a very madic person. He's very
knowledgeable in many areas of science, in particular science that

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involves maybe plasma or any kind of you know, modern
leading edge technologies. I actually met him in nineteen ninety

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in Las Vegas at his residence, and I met I
saw him several times subsequently. I held large public meeting
in the time of Rachel in nineteen ninety one in

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which he attended and you know, and then you know
one more time. I forgot when. But my conclusion is
that Bomblas are Boblesa's claims about working at a location

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called S four, which he claimed was located ten miles
south of Area fifty one by Papoose Lake. His claims
have never been proven. In fact, even today, there's no
evidence that there is an S four facility right by

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Papoose Lake ten miles south of Area fifty one. Yet
there is plenty of documents and many of the defense
countrays are familiar with site force. There are several site
fors in America. The most significant one of S four

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is located in Nevada Testing Range NTTS. And then there
is a site for facility in southern California in the
Antelope Valley in the town of in the city of Palmdale.

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In the city of Palmdale, southern California, which is not
too far from Edwards Air Force Base, there is a
facility known as Air Force Plan forty two, a huge
defense contract contracting conglomerate research testing area, and the Air

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Force Plan forty two is divided into many sections or sectors,
and one of them is called S four, so you know,
but yet there's no S four that I know that

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I've even come out, you know, regarding the Papoose Lake.
So you know, all these things are contributing to the
fact that the information provided by mister Lazaar have produced

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a certain kind of misdirection to the public in the
sense that the public has been brainwashed sort of, say,
to accepting his claim that Area fifty one has something

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to do alien technology and so on. And you know,
I'm not saying that Bomblasar is a broad because he's
an intelligent individual that could have been used to promote

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this kind of idea by maybe some of the defense contractors.
But that's my position on missus Boblosar, Do.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
You think the US government has benefited from people believe
in the UFO stories about Area fifty one?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Definitely. The defense contractors always have a cover story that
they create. They are specialists, I believe that create cover
stories to conceal certain kind of you know, programs that
they don't want, you know, seen by the public. And

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so what better way it is to than to create
a certain cover story for all kinds of you know,
important projects and so well, that's my I maintained this

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position that there are individuals that are assigned two you know,
associate certain areas with alien activity for their own reasons.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
I know during the Cold War there was a lot
of publicity about Area fifty one, but I think that
was mostly them testing the U two and SR seventy
one's and other aircraft like that. Are your thoughts about
the same.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yes, definitely, because the Area fifty one had started actually
in nineteen fifty five. In nineteen fifty five, the CIA
decided to create a convenient location to test CIA sponsored

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covert you know, spike lanes and other things. And so
you know, that was in nineteen fifty five. And the
reason I say all this about Area fifty one is
because back in two thousand and eleven, Los Angeles Times

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investigative writer by the name of Annie Jacobsen wrote an
amazing five hundred page prolific history of Area fifty one,
and her book became one of the best sellers according

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to New York Times. But anyway, that was in twenty eleven,
I believe, and she interviewed at least one hundred and
fifty employees of egn G Corporation. The EG and G
Corporation was the first defense contracting group to you know,

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create this facility. That was in nineteen forty seven that
EGNNG Corporation started. And the Annie Jacobson, the writer from
the Early Times, interviewed about fifty, I mean one hundred
and fifty former employees of EGG and one of the

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employee's name was Larry o'donald o'donald, and this individual joined
eg G in nineteen forty seven. And in this book
by Annie Jacobson, which was a tremendous book except for

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the last chapter. The last chapter was used by Annie
Jacobson to settle this book because she included a sensational
flame by Larry o'donald, the former EGNNG employee, who stated

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that it was the Soviet Union which in nineteen forty
seven flew the craft aircraft known as then as a
German aircraft called Horton To twenty nine. And this Larry

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O'Donnell of e g G gave this disinformation to Addie Jacobson,
and Addie Jacobsen, you know, gambled with her inclusion of
Larry o'donald's claims that the Roswell incident was basically nothing

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more than the Soviets flying the German Nazi acquired Horton
two twenty nine Ramjet to angular accrescent shaped craft and
tried to scare the American Southwest at that time in

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Roswell near Roswell. So, but you know, because of that
sensational flame, and Annie Jacobson knew right away that this
was total disinformation, but nevertheless she included that claim made

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by Larry O'Donnell in that book, and that book became
a best seller. Without that last chapter of that book,
everything was fine and realistic in that book, except for
the last chapter.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
The last chapter went off to deep in.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
That's you said it right, but it's sold millions of copies.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
What UFO case do you think stands out to you
as the most misunderstood by the public.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Well, the most fascinating case that I've come across happened
in nineteen fifty in the state of New Mexico, where
I live right now. I moved from California to this

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wonderful state of New Mexico, which is known as the
Land of Enchantment. I moved here from La Nine in
two thousand and eight, and after I had moved here.
I didn't even know about this amazing case that took

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place in New Mexico in nineteen fifty over the town
of Farmington in New Mexico, northwestern near the Folk Corners.
Not too far from the Folk Corners area, there's a
town named Farmington, and in nineteen fifty, the town of

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Farmington had a population of around six thousand people. But
on March fifteenth of nineteen fifty, during broad daylight, that
is to say, from around eleven am to around lunchtime,
hundreds and hundreds of residents of Farmington were stunned by

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the sudden appearance of not only one or two or
ten or fifty, but hundreds hundreds of metallic, silver colored,
metallic dis shape objects just doing some strange maneuver over

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the town of Farmington for fully one hour, and they
were stunned by this appearance of well, according to the
newspaper report, they were at least three hundred to four
hundred silver shaped, silver colored disc shaped object just doing

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all kinds of maneuvering. And this was on March fifteenth
of nineteen fifty. But after lunch it disappeared, But another
appearance happened the following day or March sixteenth, nineteen fifty,

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again from around eleven am in the morning to about lunchtime,
hundreds of residents again started seeing this light or maneuvering
of hundreds of metallic silver shaped disc shaped objects doing
all kinds of maneuvering, and they were stunned. And then

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finally it happened again on March seventeenth of nineteen fifteen,
just around the same time, from eleven am to twelve lunchtime,
you know, and the same thing happened. And by this
time the main newspaper of the town of Farmington finally

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wrote a front page one inch you called you know,
the headline saying our marder of saucers invaded Farmington. And

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it was a sensational report that appeared on March eighteenth
of nineteen fifty, and it was even reported by Los
Angeles Times on the same date, March eighteenth, nineteen fifty.
The Los Angeles Times also reported that hundreds and hundreds

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of books saw disc shaped flying sauces over the town
of Farmington, New Mexico. It was also reported in Albuquerque
Journal the same day on March eighteenth, nineteen fifty, and
what happened was immediately, many federal agents from Washington, DC

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flew to Farmington right away and told the people not
to talk about this incident, and they even try to
buy up all the newspapers. But fortunately, even today, if

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you go to the town of Farmington, the city of
Farmington now go to the Farmington Daily Times office, they
will show you the original newspaper. There are still about
I think one hundred copies of that original newspaper article.
And so the strength thing is that despite the fact

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that hundreds of residents saw these amazing flight of these objects,
there's yet two, you know, see any photographs of this
aerial event, not even one. And the reason for that

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was because maybe one of the was because the federal
agents told people of Farmington not to talk about this incident,
because this is a very important matter to national defense
because at that time, in nineteen fifty, there was this

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Cold War. It was in the height of this Cold
War between the Soviet Union and the United States, and
many people were cooperative to the federal agents who came
to Farmington. And well, even if they had taken any

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photos at that time, they would probably have given those
films to the agents. But this is something that is
fascinating because at that time there were no cell phones,
of course, and at that time nobody actually carried a

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camera while they were shopping or walking, you know, on
the streets. Nobody carried cameras. But so you know, this
could be one of the reasons why it's very difficult
or impossible to find any authentic photos of the events

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in Farmington. And this I can say the same thing
for some other amazing UFO mass signings that happened, and
I'm talking about particularly the one that happened in Portugal
in nineteen seventeen. In nineteen seventeen, hundreds and hundreds of

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people who gathered in a small village called Fatima. So
you know, this strange metality, this shaped object coming down
to the crowd that was gathered on that day, which

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was October, actually October thirteenth of nineteen seventeen, because you know,
six months before that time, an entity dressed in white
appeared to a shepherd girl saying that on October thirteenth

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of nineteen seventeen that year, there will be a miraculous
event in the sky. And so the word got around
around the village of Fatima in Portugal, and eventually in
the next few months, many many people started arriving to

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the town or village of Fatima, a small, tiny village,
just to find out what's going to happen on October
thirteenth of that year, nineteen seventeen, and among those who
gathered were several photographers and even journalists. And on October

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thirteenth of nineteen seventeen, there were, lord behold, twenty thousand
people that had already assembled that day, and that day
began with a terrible you know, rain, rain shower from
the morning, and many people had to bring umbrellas, and

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you can see the actual photos of thousands of people,
you know, with the umbrellas gathering around this area of Fatima.
In fact, you go to any newspaper or you know,
article about Fatima, you can see because there are authentic

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photos of thousands of people looking up into the sky
on that day. That day began with a terrible rain
from the morning, and it didn't end until around noon time.
It ended abruptly and suddenly in the sky above there

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appeared this metallic, round shaped object just hovering for a
few seconds, and then momentarily that round object started coming
down to the crowd and maybe in the crowd felt
the heat, some kind of a heat. And you know,

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I've I said there were journalists and professional photo photographers
over there, but not the twenty thousand people were there,
but only a couple of hundred of people playing that

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they had seen this thing. And so even today, you
can't find any authentic photograph of the skies over Fatima
showing any kind of disshaped object. And this is another mystery,

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for some strange reasons that we don't understand. This phenomenon
seems to be able to not be taken photographically for
some strange reason. And this is the reason why Carl

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I say to a lot of folks that I have
been in this research since nineteen sixty one, and yet
even to this day, and I have seen hundreds and
hundreds of alleged flying sauces or UFOs. I have seen

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hundreds and hundreds of video footages alleged video footages of
alleged flying sauces or UFOs, but I have yet to
see any clear photographs or clear video footage of this
strange phenomenon. That's why my conclusion is that this phenomenon

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has this power not to be photographed.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
I always thought it was just because people shake so
much when they're trying to zoom so far in with the.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Well you know.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
That's yeah, that's why I carry my camera or my
well pocket camera basically almost every night or every day.
Whenever I go some places, I always carry my camera,

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hoping that one day I would take a photo of
a flying saucer. But yet I haven't had any chance
to do that because even though I lived in the
state of New Mexico, which is considered one of the
hot spots of UFO sidings. And so that's my dream,

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is to one day take a photograph of authentic alien
space scrap, not a UFO because to me, UFO, the
word UFO doesn't mean anything, but alien spacecraft is more
of the thing that I'm looking for, because I have

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seen some strange lights in the sky several times that
I cannot explain, but they could be you know, the
prosaic they could be prosaic exclamations for these But you know,

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a lot of these days I would like to take
a picture. But here in New Mexico, we are blessed
with natural phenomenon that, you know, like lenticular clouds. New Mexico,
the skies of New Mexicos are amazing because many times

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we see lenticular clouds or clouds that shape like lenses,
you know, And but you know, that's a natural phenomenon.
Of course, a lot of people who believe in aliens
claim that real flying sauces are hiding behind these clouds.

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But you know, people will say anything to convince you
that aliens are here physically. But aliens may be here
but not physically. That's what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, well, I'm like you. I carry a full frame
digital camera with a six hundred millimeter lens and a
tripod at all times when I'm out. I have yet
to see anything.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Well, now that's the that's the mystery. That's the mystery
of this whole thing. And you know, the other mystery
is that this mystery is one of the reasons why
the government could also be trying to simulate what people

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may believe as the UFOs. So I have talked with
a Canadian journalist back in nineteen ninety three by the
name of Serge Monast. Serge Monast was a Canadian journalist
who claimed in nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety four

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that NASA has had a secret program aimed for the future,
and he claimed that NASA has this program called Project
Blue Bee, in which by using all kinds of the

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technological innovations, the government in the future could stage a
fake extraterrestrial event in the sky to cause panic and
to cause the world to be united as one to
fend off this external extraterrestrial threat. And that is what's

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known as Project Blue Beam. And do you think you
do I think it's possible. I think it's very possible
because we already have technology right now to simulate a
small scaled event that almost looked like an alien encounter

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on a lonely highway anywhere, by the use of holographic
projection image devices, you know, and the aerial holographic projectors
and so on, and also sound and so on. So
we have developed those kinds of technologies. But in the future,

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it's very possible that the government could stage some kind
of an alien thread that looks almost real globally, I mean,
in a global scale, it's possible.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Oh yeah, a lot of things are possible. I agree there.
What do you think the most common common things that
people mistake for UFOs? What do you think those might be.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Well, the most common things that people mistake for UFOs
I believe are basically well number one terrestrial aircraft of
new designs include being many of the innovative triangular shaped

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aircraft that has the capacity to be almost like transparent
by the use of so called electrochromatic panels.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
That that.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Makes you believe that you're looking at something that's almost transparent,
that slowly flying. And unfortunately, we do not have any
technology right now to create such humongous triangular craft the

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size of three or four times the size of football
field that can, however or slowly move in the sky
like about five to ten miles per hour. We don't
have that technology yet. So that means that somebody's behind
these technologies that and the so called entities themselves may

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also be using that kind of concept to make the
people believe that they're seeing alien spacecraft, you know, of
some kind. And so my point is that in nineteen
ninety seven, many hundreds of people in Phoenix, Arizona, in

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nineteen ninety seven did see a slow moving, humongous triangular
shaped object coming from the north from the direction of Nevada.
I believe, and that triangular shaped object was slowly moving
at the speed of five to ten miles hour over

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the freeway in Phoenix and going slowly southward. And that
happened in March of nineteen ninety seven, from around eight
o'clock to eight thirty pm, and then later on around

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ten o'clock, a lot of people saw some strange things
that resembled, you know, flares in the south part of Phoenix,
and that were those who were definitely flares. But the
ones that a lot of people claimed to have seen
was from eight o'clock in eight thirty pm. But again,

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we have never seen yet any credible photograph of that
humongous triangular aircraft that flew over Phoenix.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
You're familiar with the TR three B, aren't you?

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Yes, I am familiar with t R three B, which
is a concept that began by Rechard, by a person
named mister Edward fush Fushet. But he's the one that

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promoted that government has this TR three B. But what
happened was, at that time, the US Air Force were
testing several prototypes of the what you call it the

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drome type things that they named Tier three t I
E R t I E R that three and for
some strange reason that the name was later on UH

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translated into UH t R three and initially the Air
Force began to test this kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
T R three A, and so t R three A
was most likely a realistic.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Attempt by the Air Force to create this uh uh
you know, triangular shaped craft. But Edgar Fouchet you know,
started creating this TR three B, which even today many

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of the uh you know, aerospace specialists are very very
skeptical that TR three B is real. But you know,
but instead they believe that t R three A and
also Aurora and other triangular sic objects objects were tested

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in around nineteen ninety and you know, but you know,
it's very hard to come up with a definitive proof,
conclusive proof that about t R three B.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
There are a lot of pictures on the internet, but
I'm like you, you know, and then nowadays with the
AI in the picture, who knows what's real and what's not,
you know exactly.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
That's why, that's why the only criteria that we have
to rely is on physical artifact. Without an artifact, it's
everything is just talk and talk. And so that's my

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position at this time. But yet many people mistake me
as a skeptic on all these things. But I'm not
a skeptic. I'm a believer that this strange phenomenon seems
to be real. And the only thing that that I

(53:32):
must tell the folks is that please be careful and
not being seen by you know, there are many Charlatans
in this world, and many hucksters who are trying to
make a living by, you know, selling a lot of
you know, I'm proven you know things and so on,

(53:54):
and but yet I am fascinated by the people's belief system.
We are being slowly conditioned. And I think that this
conditioning system started in nineteen forty seven, and the nineteen
forty seven was a year in which the Department of

(54:17):
Air Force began. Nineteen forty seven was also the year
in which the CIA began, the successor to Office of
Strategic Services. This started nineteen forty seven. The National Security
Agency started in nineteen forty seven. And then, of course,
as I mentioned before, nineteen forty seven was the year

(54:41):
in which an alleged spacecraft of some origin crashed near
the town of Corona, which is northwest of Roswelt, New Mexico.
And so it seemed to be that for some strange reason,

(55:03):
we are being conditioned to accept the so called alien presence,
especially in modern times from around nineteen forty seven. And
I don't know. I could be wrong on this, and
of course I could be wrong on so many things.

(55:24):
But one thing I'm certain is that that anybody that
says there's no mystery in this world is a liar,
because this world we live in is filled with mysteries
still unresolved.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah. I've eaten at places that the food has been
a mystery to me.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Yes, that's why you know, this would be a dull
place without these mysteries. Uh. The life and that's it's
still is a mystery. And I know it because I've
been involved in uh for almost close to twenty five

(56:12):
twenty six years, being a licensed funeral director in Los Angeles,
and I know what people think about life and death,
and the life and death is a continuum. I think

(56:33):
it's a mystery.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
It's a mystery until you leave this earth yourself, and
course then you can't tell anyone else about it exactly.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
And in the meantime, you know, a show like this
is I would say it's very good because it makes
people think. And this is the reason why I highly
admire the personality such as the late Art Bell, the pioneer,

(57:09):
the real pioneer of midnight talk radio. And I was
just so happy, and it was my greatest honor to
be on Art Bell's show in nineteen ninety five, his
Dreamland Show, in which I spent two hours talking about

(57:33):
all of these things.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Well, I should do miss him, and I hope my
show here is kind of bringing back some of that magic.
But that's to be seen yet. You know, I've not
quite had a year at it yet, so I'm still looking.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
But I believe that, yes, there's no question, and that well,
there are a lot of talk shows all over, you know,
and there are a lot of podcasts nowadays they call
it podcasts. But Art Bell was definitely the real pioneer
of this kind of uh, you know, talk show. But

(58:21):
of course he he was the successor of another one
who was the pioneer himself. He was the Billy Goodman.
Billy Goodman Show was the real beginning of the midnight

(58:41):
talk radio show that deals with the strange, the unknown,
the mysteries. And well, Billy Goodman was a great, you know, innovator,
But it was Art Bell who really uh you know
made this happen.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Yes, sir, you mentioned the football field size triangular craft earlier.
Do you think those could possibly be some sort of airship,
like an inflatable and they're quiet and don't go very fast,
like you say, five or ten miles an hour? Could
be an electric prop which would make a lot of noise.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Well, yes, I'm sure that some of those inflatable those
objects man made objects. It could well be mistaken for
you know, for you a p or you be your
you know, uo. But it's my opinion that that there

(59:58):
are no trying angular shaped I mean triangular shaped, dark
black colored, uh you know, airshaped type things. It's most
of them are cigar shaped. Yeah, so uh well I

(01:00:20):
may be wrong, but you know that's uh yeah. But
the big object that Art Bell claimed his song in
the pump not too far from his home. I think
one night he claimed that he saw humongous, absolutely triangular

(01:00:46):
shaped object with lights on each end of the triangle,
you know, the angles each claw. Yeah, he claimed that
he saw and I have seen artist rendition of that,

(01:01:07):
but I believe that he did see that. But the
big question is what was that? No one knows?

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Yeah, yeah, him and Ramona saw that on the way
home from a radio station in Vegas one night, on
the way home to Farrump and he told me about it.
And I've also got a copy of the painting he
had commissioned. I'm sure you've seen that, Yes, And.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
You know that is still something that we just don't know,
you know, was that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:46):
Totally physical or maybe even some kind of a combination
which I call paraphysical phenomenon or paraphysical materialization, because.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
These are objects seem to materialize suddenly in the sky
to some people, maybe to some selected observer or some
selected groups of observers, These entities, which I believe they exist,
these entities seem to be able to materialize suddenly, these objects.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
I wonder if they're slipping dimensions, you know, slipping into
our dimensions and then they slip back out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Yes, it's very possible. It's very possible, Carl. And this
is one of the things that I believe the modern
quantum physics people are trying their best to, you know,
investigate that about time warp and you know, so called

(01:03:07):
time travel and related technologies that we still don't have
any definite you know volume, so well, we're just just
don't know. That's the bottom line is. We still don't

(01:03:29):
know if there are really underground physical alien bases in
the world. We don't know. We don't know for sure
what lies beneath our vast oceans. We don't know. We
don't know except for maybe ten percent of the oceans

(01:03:53):
of this earth. So anything is possible that you know,
you know who knows. You know, there could be a
network of underground tunnel systems all over the United States,
as was claimed by a lot of researchers, such as

(01:04:16):
a friend of mine named tal Levesque, who no longer
you know is alive, but tal Levesque used to tell
me personally he visited me at my home in California
several times, and he was one of the original persons
who drew the schematic map of underground tunnel connections in

(01:04:41):
the United States, and the Dulce, New Mexico, was one
of the hubs of that tunnel connection that allegedly extended
from you know, Colorado's you know that Colorado to California

(01:05:02):
Edwards Air Force Base to Area fifty one to Docing,
New Mexico, to Kirkland Air Force Base, you know, throughout
the Southwest area of the United States tow all of
US claimed that there was a vast network of underground
tunnel systems, and well, anything is possible because by nineteen fifty,

(01:05:24):
the United States government had the technology to create underground
tunnels through the use of nuclear power, which didn't include
any kind of residues like dirt. But these subterine underground

(01:05:48):
tunnel machines existed already nineteen fifty, and so imagine now
what they have. You know, I hate the imagine things,
but anything is possible.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
As I said, mister Howikawa, we've been out a little
more than an hour. Would you be interested in giving
our listeners your website? And do you have any projects
like books coming up?

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Well, unfortunately I was never a strong believer in writing books.
Instead of writing books, I have written many, many, many
articles relevant to this topic. And people can just get
in touch with me or look me up by googling

(01:06:41):
my name Norio Hayakawa. If you google my name, there
are tens of thousands of information about who I am.
And also if you do a YouTube search and just
type Norio Hayakawa, there will be hundreds and hundreds of videos.

(01:07:02):
Even though they may sound amateurish. I am a YouTuber.
I am an amateur YouTuber who has made hundreds of
videos about these topics, and most of my videos are
around three to four to five minutes the longest because
most people are not patient to see a full video,

(01:07:25):
but all my videos are just about three to five
minutes long, and they range from UFOs to strange phenomena
to paranormal and even I made a lot of videos
about the beauty of the state in which I live,
New Mexico, And so people can just look me up

(01:07:47):
on the Internet and they can get to me no
question about it, or they can even write me on
Norioayakawa at gmail dot com. And you know, I can
answer any question to the best of my knowledge, to
any questions that people may ask, but call it has

(01:08:08):
been my greatest pleasure to be able to spend time
with you, and as being a brother in law of
the late you know, Art Bell, I'm just so pleased
in honor to be with you on this program of yours.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Well, it's been a pleasure to have you here. And
who knows, in the future you might find some good
evidence and we'll bring you back on and you can
discuss that exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
I will definitely do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
It all righty sir, you have a good email.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 7 (01:08:45):
You look like an angel walk black, an angel walk
talk lack a angel, but like God of the sky.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
With you gated.

Speaker 8 (01:09:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Soonca Welcome back to Midnight Frequency Radio. Our second guest
this evening is David John Oates. David was born in rural,
Australia on October thirtieth, nineteen fifty five, the firstborn son
of a young Methodist minister. In nineteen eighty four, he
first heard about backwards messages in rock and roll, and

(01:13:02):
a new hobby was born playing tapes backwards. He rapidly
became obsessed with a new hobby, and by nineteen eighty
seven he had developed his theory on reverse speech. Since
that time, David has had an active career, now spending
thirty two years furthering the field of reverse speech. As
his full time occupation, he has developed new theories and

(01:13:23):
designed therapeutic and training techniques. He has published several books
on reverse speech, including Beyond Backwards Masking, Voices from the Unconscious,
It's only a Metaphor, and his latest book, Reverse Speech
of Prophecy. He has lectured around the world to crowds
of thousands and trained hundreds of students. He has also

(01:13:45):
integrated some of the first mainstream studies and presented reverse
speech on thousands of radio shows, including his own show,
The David John Oates Reverse Speech Show that ran successfully
for three years. Sinning he's been on coast to coast
in the United States, where David lived for ten years
in the nineteen nineties. In the United States, he has

(01:14:08):
appeared on dozens of television programs including CNN, Larry King Live, Heraldo,
Lisa Gibbons, and Strange Universe, just to name a few.
In Australia, he has appeared on such shows as Good
Morning Australia, Today, Tonight, A Current Affair and Today. His
work has also been featured in hundreds of papers and

(01:14:30):
well known publications such as The New York Times, Harper's Review,
Omni Magazine, and Discovery Magazine. David has also been involved
with amateur radio for a number of years. David, welcome
back to midnight Frequency Radio.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
Thank you very much for having me. Colin I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Your latest book. What all is that cover and consist of?

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
Oh, well, that's the actually completely different books and what
I've written to date. It covers with some the books
called reverse speech for filmative prophecy. It goes through biblical
prophecies and prophecies of other religions, and it presents the
argument that the existence of reverse speech is present throughout

(01:15:18):
throughout many prophecies across many different editions, like the Bible
talks about every secret hidden in the hearts of man
will be shattered from the mountaintops. Whatever is hidden shall
be revealed. And I go through a whole lot of
biblical prophecies and gnostic gospels, even quote Nostradamus, where I

(01:15:39):
believe one of his quand trains said the enemy hidden
hidden in words shall be discovered. So that's what it's
all about. It goes through a lot of different editions, religious, psychological.
I quote Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud. So it's really

(01:16:00):
right across the whole board of prophecy throughout history and
legend and biblical literature saying that reverse speech is coming.
And I present the argument that is here at this
point in history to lead humanity to the truth. The
time has come to look inside ourselves, see who we

(01:16:21):
really are, embrace the shadow, and move forwards. So that's
the whole message of the book. A completely different books
than I've written before, but thinking about it for many,
many years, I thought it was time to finally write it.
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
I noticed slately you've been doing a lot of reverse
speech on American pastors and other pastors are religious institutions. Yes,
you're finding some very interesting reverse speech in those.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
It's a very interesting it's the rather concerning ones. Yeah. Well, look,
I did a lot of research into religious leaders and
institutions about five years ago. But it came up on
my forum or a couple of weeks back on my
Facebook page about religious evangelists, and I said, I pulled
out all my controversial reversals on the managers, and then

(01:17:17):
I thought, well, so let's go and do some more.
So I've been reversing from the last week doing some
more evangelists, and the trend I'm finding is the same
as I found five years ago, and it's not good.
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Definitely not good, and it makes you wonder about some
of the pastors and priests and everything.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
Yes, it does. Indeed, yeah, yes, well you know, I've
got some interesting series about all of that, but we
probably yeah, maybe for another show, so we can play
some of those if you want me to. Oh, we
can look at some of the oh do you I
can in anywhere you want. I have so much material

(01:18:03):
in my computer, forty three years of research, So maybe
maybe let's pull up some of the passes I think.
So here's here's a guy. This guy is number four
in the top list of passes in the United States.
His name is Alistair Begg and I did him just

(01:18:24):
this morning. I went and googled the top ten passes
in America and he came up as number four. So
here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Let's let's real.

Speaker 10 (01:18:34):
Let me follow along as I be from from first
Peter in chapter four, he.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Says, evil, you sell this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
That's concerning what he's selling.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
It's quite intent. And then he says this, I'll just
play one more on this guy. I've got about eight
so far. I'm still still analyzing of this guy. Then
he says this.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Thou hast taught me to say. In the original version,
it is thou hast taught me.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
To know how Satan served want to.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Do it in Satan's.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
A little bit weak on that one, but it is there.
And that's the trend I refiningly across the board is
that these passes, I mean, I'm sure they're quite genuine
and see you, but they're reversals are painting a completely
a different story. So and here's another one I did
this week. This is pastor I think his name is

(01:19:47):
Ted Ted Haggard h A G G A I D.
He's he's had a bit of a controversial career. He
was involved in some shenanigans a few years ago that
he had to apologize for. But he's one of his
reversals here in.

Speaker 11 (01:20:03):
Verse three, it says so many enemies against one man.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Of course, David was a king, and.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
He says, I am now a snake.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Snap, damn snep.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
Sleep. It's not a good reversal, No, it's not. This
is now why I can spin that in a positive way.
It's a it's just just horrible stuff. And here he
says this one. Here he says, we'll want the play
a couple on this guy too.

Speaker 11 (01:20:37):
And today we're in Psalm at sixty two, which is
a fascinating fascinating psalm, a really powerful one about how
to have peace in troubled times.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
And he says, now we'll throw up.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Now we'll throw up, no wolf, throw up, no wolf.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
So these are type of reverses I'm finding, and I've got,
you know, look, I've probably got about fifty odds directly
use the word Satan. But they're all these type of messages.
It's evil, convoluted, horrible stuff, and it's a look. I'm

(01:21:21):
a look, I'm a Christian, I'm a minister's son. I
was raising the church. You know, I still go to church,
and and it has thrown me in a bit of
a crisis, to be quite frank. I mean, what do
you do with this stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Yeah? Well, I'm like you, I'm a religious person myself,
and hearing some of this stuff, I think you even
had some with Oh my goodness, was it Billy Graham?
Oh yeah, And he was actually close to our family
and even yeah, and even did some of the last
speeches at funerals that we've had for family members.

Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
So oh wow, oh wow. Yeah, I was actually I
actually went up in front into an autocol at Billy
Graham rally in my hometown of Vdelaide. He wasn't a
bit of great speaking. It was one of his associates
at Layton Ford was the guy's name. And and but

(01:22:22):
I mean he's been he's been a stable of Christian
evangelism for years, you know. But then you get reversals
like this on him, and and look, look, look, look,
please don't get me wrong here. I'm really not not
trying to attack the church. Will past this. You know,

(01:22:44):
I'm just a researcher. I don't me what did I find?

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
You know, well, I understand you're just you know, doing
the research on this stuff. And when I saw the
ones on him, I was like, oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
I mean, like, here's Billy Graham's I'll play too. I'll
play two on him too. I mean I've got a
lot more too.

Speaker 11 (01:23:07):
How many people come have gone to meetings and you've
rededicated your life and you've come forward, or you've gone
out of there and said I'm gonna live different or
I'm gonna do better.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
It just hasn't work.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
Bring us near demon. I mean, how do you explain that?

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
I don't either. It's disturbing, It's very disturbing.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
And here he is again. This one's even worse.

Speaker 12 (01:23:41):
Well, I know there's some people that are just hard
to love.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
But the Holy Spirit can love through you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:49):
He can love through you, and he says, Bill be
double all the pagan God. That's the God that THESS
worshiping when Moses was up at the Mount Simon getting
the Ten Commandments. Okay, and reversal, says Bah, I draw Satan.

(01:24:13):
I mean, I don't know what to tell you. It's obviously,
some very serious questions need to be asked. Look, look,
I know reverse speeches a very fringe field, and it's
not taken seriously by many. I mean, I believe it
one hundred per cent to be true, and many people
around the world do too. I certainly good. I believe

(01:24:35):
fourty three years of research to back it up.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Well, I take it pretty serious.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
Yeah, So you know, some serious questions need to be asked.
Why are these type of reversals appealing appearing on an
evangelist and passes? And it's not just one, it's it's
it's lots of them. Here. Here's one concerning one. This
is this is a chapter name I don't know his

(01:25:04):
first name, Dorhouer, who's head of the head of the
United Church of Church of Christ. So I leant's play
this one and.

Speaker 13 (01:25:13):
Make it possible for a Waite police officer Darren Wilson,
a Waite police officer in the streets of Ferguson, Missouri,
or in the case of Eric Garner in New York,
or in the case of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
And here he says, our God is Satan? What do
you do with that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Really makes me want to start recording our local.

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
Indeed, indeed, yeah, looks as very concerning stuff. And look,
if I'm right, if the claim, if what I claim,
and in my book Fulfilling the Prophecy is true, that
reverse speech which is here in the last days, fulfilling
end time prophecies to show us the voice of the heart,

(01:26:07):
so that who we are on the inside that God
sees can now be seen by all. And that's a
fulfillment of prophecy, that the voice of the heart will
be revealed. And that's what my book claims. And if
we are looking at the voice of the heart, then
you've got all sorts of serious questions to ask about

(01:26:30):
the state of spirituality. Who stayed the Christian Church, And
it's not just on Christian leaders, it's others do. I mean,
it's like like, let me see, let me go, who
can I put my hands on? Quickly? Look, just quickly,
here's David miss Caveage, the head of the head of

(01:26:54):
the Church of Scientology. I'll play him.

Speaker 14 (01:26:58):
Just look.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
In fact, what one would they get after auditing hours
upon hours of flubby sessions. Is a fully professional and
practiced lovey auditor.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
Weill offer Satana suits. No, you could say, well, sure,
they're the Church of Scientising, you expect that. But then
I say, well, but do you expect that I'm Christian
leaders were Here's our show, famous show from the Orange People.

(01:27:32):
I had this free sex cult. If you can recall
back in those days, he used to drive rolls roasters
around here. He had a cult. So here is our show.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
Of the individual is normal. Yes, you will add, just
as the universe.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
I am aunt Satan love. So I don't know what
to tell you. I buy my book Fulfilled the prophecies.
See if I'm right, But we'll see, we'll see, you know,

(01:28:23):
but they are certainly very concerning, and and it's across
the whole board. I've got, you know what, Kenneth Copeland
and all the big, big, big names, well, the big
names of my era. Then I sort of my ears
getting a bit passed now you know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Oh yeah, you did a reverse speech on what was
his name? What's it Antony?

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
Oh that's funny. Yeah, I actually he's probably Anton Levey.
I actually agree with what he says about Satan. Let
me put my Oh gee, I had him this morning.
I j k oh on, no word, just hang on, uh,
here we we go. Anton was a He's got a

(01:29:21):
statement here that I totally agree with. So this is
the Church of Sign told me not time, the Church
of Satan, and a fan of the Church of Satan.

Speaker 15 (01:29:34):
So I honestly feel occultism gives many people a chance
to beat big fish in.

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
Little Dayton was a blank up.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
That one.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
I find myself in an agreement with Anti lo Ba.

Speaker 16 (01:30:00):
What can I say, dear, that's funny. Oh, let's look
at look while I'm on this page.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
I've got I've got. Oh they they the great occultist
of them all, Alister Crowley. Let me let me have
a look. Which is what can I play? Oh? Gee,
I can't play that. Oh some of these are so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
I can't play profanity.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
Yeah, very bad. Here here's a mild one.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
The fandom, freedom and play.

Speaker 4 (01:30:44):
You know all the hell.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
That one's coming through a little russ.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
No recording from the nineteen tens, but way back in
the day, wall a long time back. Yeah, so they were. Yeah. Look,
it's a fascinating career. I find so much stuff. You know,
on passes are just one of the things I do,

(01:31:18):
you know, as just a little side interest. Really, I
go from topic to topic to topic. I spent the
year or so looking at UFOs and finally decided that
I couldn't decide who. I found some genuine cases and
some outright frauds, and some people were deluge, you know,
so it was right across the board, so whoever, So

(01:31:41):
I couldn't come to any real conclusion. Really, And politicians,
I do a lot of them. Of course, you might
be interested to hear some of the Euclinton testimony at
the at the that he gave last.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Week for his hearings here for oh what's his name?
Yeah Epstein?

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
Yeah, yeah, the Oh can I can play this? I
think were your Internet show?

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Yeah it's it's it's Internet, so you can liberal with it,
all right.

Speaker 4 (01:32:18):
Okay, so this is funny, Okay, this is Bill Clinton.

Speaker 14 (01:32:23):
Did you ever receive a massage or have physical contact
from her or anyone else on that trip?

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
You've seen the pictures.

Speaker 14 (01:32:33):
There was one time when I was sitting up and
I got a BackRub on neckwork.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
Did you ever get a massage or anything? He says,
one time I was sitting up. I want to go
to a back rub, And he says back, was I
gotta bang it?

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Yeah, that's pretty clear, pretty straight forward, and I'm not
surprised coming from him.

Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
So no, I'm I'm not surprised at all. And then
he's talking about the flying on Epstein's plane.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
With mister Epstein. I asked you if you considered him
to be a friend. You said you did not. Is
that right? I said we were friendly and we had
a cordial relations, but I didn't know him well enough.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
Oh sorry, that was not the plane for but backwards,
he says, fun on board board And this next one
is classic Clinton. He says, I don't remember, and.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Who asked you to write the letter? No, I don't remember.
Would Miss Maxwell have asked?

Speaker 4 (01:33:44):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
I think someone on myself?

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
He says, Remember what I want?

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Remember what I.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Yeah, we all know what he was interested.

Speaker 4 (01:33:58):
In lately the first reversals. That was the letter, doesn't it?
It was classic typical Bill Clinton. He was actually asked
a question about reverse speech in the nineteen nineties when
when I was pretty big in America. A reporter asked
him because I was playing a lot of Clinton reversals

(01:34:20):
back to back in those days, and he just laughed
off and said, oh, that's a lot of rubbish. But
the fact is he knew, he knew all about it.
I quite fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
You've done something with the late Pope Francis, didn't you.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
Oh yes, all right, okay, let's get Pope Francis up. Yeah.
He he did not shape up very well at all.
He was really quite horrible. Let's let's start off with
a soft one or soft this is pretty bad. Let's

(01:35:00):
play this one.

Speaker 17 (01:35:02):
I know that many of them are retired but still active.
They keep walking to build up this lane.

Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
He says, My satan's bad. Live with me. Bad. It's bad,
real bad. I mean, that's just I mean, it's very disturbing.
Now you play a really disturbing one. This is this

(01:35:37):
is looking into his deep self.

Speaker 17 (01:35:41):
We know that it's very difficult to judge the past,
but the crime area of the press.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
I raped the other kids. Then he paused and says yum,
and then he says stop it. So he's wrestling inside.
I rate the other kids. Yum, stop it. Are shoppen?

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
Are you.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
Shop? Is that creepy?

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
Or is that it's disturbing?

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
Disturbing. It's very disturbing. Yeah, yeah, it's very disturbing. Yeah.
Fortunately the new pope shapes up a little bit better
than the old pope. Let me let me, let me,
let me, let me balance it out with with the
new pope. So, I mean, look, you never know what

(01:36:42):
you're going to find. It's luck you did sometimes. Am
I going to find Satan or something else? You know?
Where's where's the one I'm looking for? I'll play a
couple of them. Here is his here's the new pope Leo.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
When the Lord dwells in us the whole, he gives us.
There's fruit in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:37:03):
Son, his flow, golden.

Speaker 18 (01:37:06):
Son is some obviously the son of God, his flow golden, wonderful.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
That's really good one. There was another one that was
a good one. When must have many thing on uh,
I go son in Tusia. I follow my files by year,
and I got one from last year, not a couple
from this year. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, here's another one.

(01:37:40):
I probably.

Speaker 19 (01:37:43):
In the outside of the Chicago, especially greeting to Cardinal Soupitch,
to the auxiliary bishops, to all my friends who are
gathered today, and it's the feast of the Most Holy Trinity.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
He looks over the secret Sinner, He looks over the Sereinn.
He looks on with the secret sinner.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
You look.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
I guess God, doesn't he do that? Doesn't he?

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
Yes, he does do that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
Yeah, yeah, And here I just played one more on.

Speaker 19 (01:38:18):
We have to look beyond our own, if you will,
egotistical ways. We have to look for ways of coming
together and promoting a message.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
Of hope war with this hymn. That's not a very
clear reversal. Sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
That's okay, yeah, that one.

Speaker 4 (01:38:40):
Anyway, it doesn't matter. But as you can see a
bit of a different character than Polo and then Pope Francis.
Pope Francis, I mean, some of his verses I really
can't even play on your podcast. Just bad.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Did you run across any with Islamic priest?

Speaker 4 (01:39:04):
Yes, Pharakkan's ISLAMI or isn't it No, He's it's fair
kan Islam. I can't remember now, I'm sure he is. Yes,

(01:39:27):
they were his sarcans. Forget his first name. Yeah, he
was very big when he years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Do you know the enemy?

Speaker 4 (01:39:35):
Do you really know the enemy?

Speaker 20 (01:39:39):
We use demon when you remind people he's d I'm
sure when they made someone.

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
Will tell you if I'm wrong.

Speaker 10 (01:39:53):
Promise, But I didn't know. Another promise was made because
Bush would not let him off the hook until he
declared he will not give the aid the nation of Islam.

Speaker 4 (01:40:15):
Yeah, there his line. I was right. We call the
weak not movie not movie. You know that doesn't leave
anything to the imagination, does it? No?

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Not really pretty much lays out where he's at.

Speaker 4 (01:40:35):
That where he's coming from. Absolutely does. Yeah, so this
is across the board. Is I guess what I'm saying.
It's not just a Christianity, it's it's it's in every
sect that I have looked up. So fun, let me
have a look. Here we have here we have oh Hindu,

(01:41:03):
Hindu hindlead by name of Adi Da. Here we go.

Speaker 12 (01:41:09):
That needs to be understood in terms of the esthoteric
anatomy associated with the fifth stage of life.

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
I am the cursed.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
Well, that's pretty clear.

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
It's pretty clear. And then he says, this.

Speaker 12 (01:41:27):
Of your realize or master, and this will be purifying
and follow your master's destructions.

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
Evil, sinner, evil evil. We will play one more on
this guy.

Speaker 12 (01:41:45):
Some things may not be historically true, and some traditions
where something is said to in fact be historically true,
but that doesn't mean.

Speaker 4 (01:41:56):
The devil will curse your god. Visually it happened.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
The reverse was a little rough, but it pretty much
came through.

Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
Yeah, the audio is a bit bad, Sorry about that.
That's something. Here's here's the Dali rama. Uh, here we go.
So now uh, these young Indian these no kingdom war
led me my say like you sidn't, like you didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
Didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:42:35):
And then he says this one. Look every time I
plays this one, I have to stop myself from laughing.
I should laugh. It's horrible reversal, but it's funny, kay.
And then the philosophy also you see logic. Uh, there's
a whole, he's a soul of lead. Here's this whole,

(01:42:59):
he's this wholes. So it's funny. Well, look, we've just
slaughtered to four religions aloud forty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
And that's not on that's not on tent here. But
I think it's important for people to hear some of
this stuff. I found it very interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:43:27):
Yeah yeah, yeah, really yeah. Let me let me, let me,
let me change the mood. Let me let me play
your good one.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
Okay, let me.

Speaker 4 (01:43:38):
This is a This is a guy called Todd White
and he's a street preacher. And here he is in
the street praying with a group of group of teenagers
on there's three of them and they're in a little
circle sitting on the street.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
DeAndre, you're amazing man, you are You have an amazing purpose.
You're amazing father. I thank you for DeAndre.

Speaker 4 (01:44:04):
Jesus name, he says in the light are we are?

Speaker 12 (01:44:09):
We are well?

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
A nice one. And here he is talking about his
prayer closet in a church service, which is really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
Actually we love it as we get to cuddle with
our kids in the morning and when they get up,
my kids roll into the praier closet and see Daddy
in the perier closet and it's just fun.

Speaker 4 (01:44:32):
And he says, love sits in his altar. No asistance,
No asistance is out here. There aren't good ones out there. Okay, yes,
but not many.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
That's a shame too.

Speaker 4 (01:44:50):
I mean, you know, yeah, it really is.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:44:54):
I look, there's going to be a directoning. It's going
to come. You know, people talk about as you know,
in our lifetime, and I mean we're saying this forever,
but to day, I reckon is going to come. One
day the hearts of these leaders will be open for
all to hear. Look, it could to be as simple

(01:45:16):
as some smart AI developer developing a language model and
or the code reverse speech. I mean, can you imagine
a language model to coding reverse speech on everyone's computer.
I mean you're looking at you're looking at something quiet.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
It'll be all over the place.

Speaker 4 (01:45:37):
It would be Nick Carley. It's only me in a
handful of loyal followers I've got who are doing it,
you know. And but look, I believe in it very strongly.
I've been doing it for four to three years. It's
my full time profession. It's all I do well except

(01:45:59):
my girl camping trips, which I do fairly frequently. I
love going into the Australian outpack. It's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
I enjoyed your pictures when the one you took a
few weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (01:46:12):
Oh thank you. Yeah, yeah, that was. That was That
was That was a good little trip. Oh yeah, all right,
my cat just jumped. How much I have five cats?

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
Ah?

Speaker 4 (01:46:32):
Here is here is a channeler, but I am a Bashah. Okay,
he channels I forget his name, who what his real
name is? But he channels this entity called it doesn't
really serve you.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
If there's no lesson to be learned that you can't
learn in life by experiencing the idea of a painful transition,
then there's no need to experience it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:58):
That way rips your demons. It is on that too.
Here he is again talking about reincarnation.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
If you change your belief system frequency, then you may
also change your permission.

Speaker 4 (01:47:16):
Slip to one that is more representative or reflective of
the new frequency that you're operating on, as if I
roam Satan now has.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
There?

Speaker 4 (01:47:31):
It is across the board, that's for sure. Oh let
me see who else have I got here? I got
a whole few. You did?

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
You did a reversal of someone I've had on my
show before. And I don't know if I should ask
you to play the one or not from Bob Larson.

Speaker 4 (01:47:56):
Oh my okay, sure if you well, okay, you. You
asked for it. So here we go. Where is he?

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
I j K.

Speaker 4 (01:48:12):
Must be under Bob. Where is he? She's shipping in? Oh.
Here he is staring at me right on the face.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:48:22):
Oh, Okay, which one would I like to play? There
was one? Uh, there was one I played. Yeah, here
we go this one I was looking for. Okay, here
he is praying. Let me tell you, I have never
yet found a positive reversal on public prayer. And I

(01:48:44):
talk about this in my book The Form of the Prophecy,
because Jesus condemn public prayer. He said, when you pray,
go into privacy of your room and pray in private,
and God, who sees in private, will hear you or
words to that effect I'm paraphrasing.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
So he's bubb last and praying.

Speaker 14 (01:49:02):
And God raise up within them, gives the talents and
all that they need, andnoint them to go for it
the name of the Father's Son of Holy Spirit.

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
Amen.

Speaker 4 (01:49:17):
And he says, the lost of Satan, the lost, it's
faking the lost, It's faking the lost.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Aretty clear, yes, sir, And no offense to Bob, because,
like I say, I've had him on the show in
the past, and I may want to have him back
in the future.

Speaker 4 (01:49:39):
Play him the show. I won't play anymore. I learned
a long time ago it's best to stea clear of
other people's guests if you're on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
Well, I don't want to be accused of not given
you know, you the opportunity to cover the field.

Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
So oh he I'll play one one more on him.
Here we go.

Speaker 14 (01:50:02):
Yeah, I thinks to count most in life. O real
prize isn't any accolade I've ever received of any kind here.

Speaker 4 (01:50:15):
And talking about the prize is not any accolade he's received. Backwards,
he tells us what his prize is and who's giving
it to him. He says, the beast he will bring
my deal if she will.

Speaker 14 (01:50:28):
Be if you she will be ideal.

Speaker 4 (01:50:36):
I don't know what to tell you. This is one
of the reasons of my reverse speech is of pretty
dangerous technology, and if it's ever taken seriously, well, a
lot of people do. I mean, I've got a lot
of follows out there, you know. I mean there's only
a half a lot of us actually practicing, because there's
a lot of people who follow me and look at

(01:50:59):
started getting out there more and more. You know, yeah,
I do my best by posting as often as I can.
I got my YouTube channels on my Facebook and my website,
although my website tend not to update much, but certainly
Facebook I do and YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
You did belong by Rubio Apocalyptic reversal.

Speaker 4 (01:51:21):
On Rubio, I certainly did. Yes, Yes, this is the
whole golf not golf Iran business. So he's here's Rubio.
Just excuse me one second, by mixer, I started playing

(01:51:42):
up the last week. I'm very annoyed. Okay. He's talking
about the.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
War on the leadership compound.

Speaker 15 (01:51:53):
The missile forces in the south and in the North
for that matter, had already been activated to lines.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
In fact, that those are in preposition.

Speaker 4 (01:52:02):
He says, her lamb by the throne. It should be
the lamb, he says, her Lamb. I don't know why
it's her instead of thee, but it's clearly a reference
from revelations, the Lamb of God sitting on the Lamb
sitting on the right hand of God, the Lamb by
the throne. And then he says this next.

Speaker 15 (01:52:27):
That is what they were trying to do is put
themselves in a place of immunity where the damage they
can inflict on the region would be so high that
no one can do anything about their nuclear program or
their nuclear ambitions.

Speaker 4 (01:52:38):
And he says, our horse evil, And this is like
the Horseman of the apocalypse is the I needs. That
brings to my mind our horse evil, our horse, our horse.
So we've got two imagers out of the Book of Revelations.
Here's the third one.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
The objectives of this operation are to destroy their ballistic
missile capability and make sure they can't rebuild it, and
make sure that they can't hide behind that to have
a nuclear program.

Speaker 4 (01:53:10):
The Lord, you make it. This is like the divine
providence of God. And then you hear this one here,
this is the last one I'll play. I'm just playing
the four, the four in a row.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
The next phase will be even more punishing on Iran
than it is right now. Someone will spending How long
will it take? I don't know how long it'll take.
We have objectives, Why.

Speaker 4 (01:53:34):
Now, Satan? So what the lamb on the throne, the
horseman or the apocalypse the God and Satan doing on
mac Arrubrio talking about the conflict in Iran? The right
good question. Indeed, I don't know it. I just found

(01:53:58):
them putting it out there. Who knows. We'll see what
happens in her I mean, anything can happen. We'll have
to wait and say what.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
I know, we're getting close to the top of the hour.
But I think you had one on hegg Seth.

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
Yes, oh, yes, I actually this is this is a
bit of a concerning one too. I see, yeah, I'm
glad you bought it up. Uh, okay, there's excess. Well,
as I say, Defense Secretary, here is that he war
secretary put the libel wrong.

Speaker 21 (01:54:35):
Forty seven long years, the expansionist and Islamist regime in
Tehran has waged a savage, one sided.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
War against America.

Speaker 21 (01:54:44):
They didn't always declare it openly, except for their constant
chance of death to America.

Speaker 4 (01:54:50):
They did it through the blood of our people. He
who says height must smash this. I hate the forces
of hate. They're not fighting from love or anything from hate. Hate.

(01:55:10):
It's hatred of the hatred of Iran and hatred of Islam.
I don't know. It's not very good. No, And here
I'll play one more on X. If here we're here,
we go war as hell and always will be. See

(01:55:33):
what see, I want it see you. What hell do
I want of it?

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:55:44):
So reverse streets really is I believe, the voice of
the heart who we really are on the inside. The
part that God hears is what we see in reverse
and what we're seeing on the pastes of churches is
the state of their soul. And it's not very nice.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
For those who would be interested in getting into, you know,
doing the same as you. You have a software on
your website.

Speaker 4 (01:56:13):
I think that, yes I do. Yes, yes, it's the
audio software and video. We have both audio and video software.
But we'll play audio and video backwards and forwards at
variable speeds. It's a wonderful hobby to get into. It
really is, if you've got the time and the energy

(01:56:35):
and the good is. There's a lot of amateur reverse
feed people out there. When I say there's only a
handful of doing, I'm talking about those who had trained,
who have been from my training classes. But there's a
lot of other average of people out there playing with
was taped backwards.

Speaker 3 (01:56:50):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:56:50):
I mean they email me every now and then with
the reverse alls they've found.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
Is your book Reverse Speech Fulfillment of the Prophecy available yet?

Speaker 4 (01:56:59):
Or if not, it is available, it is available. It
came online last night. It's on Amazon dot com. I
don't know whether the search engines will pick it up.
If you go to my Facebook page, which is David
dot oats dot seventy five oh nine, there's a link there.

(01:57:19):
You only came out last night. It takes Amazon about
seventy two hours to propagate through the thirteen engines. As
you go to my Facebook or even my website, you'll
be able to click on Amazon page. Through the worstpeech
dot com website, we'll go speak for filling the prophecy.
You've never written a book like it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
But I think it's a good one, and I think
it's probably going to be a good read for people.
I would recommend they do so.

Speaker 4 (01:57:47):
Oh thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
Yes, your other books are also available on Amazon, aren't they?

Speaker 4 (01:57:54):
Yes, they're all there. I've actually written twenty five books
all together. I on reverse speech some. I'm a science
fiction novel writer. I write trilogies. Actually I'm just My
first trilogy is called The Angelian Saga and the Jellians
who are short is an acronym for angels, and they're

(01:58:18):
like the god servants patrolling the universe and their spaceships
and it's quite a quite quite an adventure. I just
finished the second trilogy just this week actually, and sending
it off to my air my enters the next week.
I'm quite a prolific writer. I love writing.

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
Well, when you make it back to the States, if
you end up close to me here in Arkansas, give
me a bus. We'll go somewhere and have a cup
of coffee.

Speaker 4 (01:58:48):
Oh, I'd love to do that. That'd be real nice, Carl.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
And once again, your website is David.

Speaker 4 (01:58:55):
Speech dot com. Well you David Oats dot com and
reverse speech up. Yeah. So look, thanks for having me
on your show. I really to appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:06):
Well, I enjoy heaven you here because this froverse speech
stuff just amazes me, some of the things that you hear,
specially tonight.

Speaker 22 (01:59:18):
Yep, it was a good show tonight. Thank you, well,
thank you, And if you have any new books come out,
I'll be happy to have you back. And okay, I
appreciate you once more for being here. I hope you
have a good time this weekend. Not much left of
it left, but not much if you're like me here.

(01:59:39):
I spent all day getting everything ready for the show tonight.
So all right, I know you could imagine that because
you do your own show. Oh yeah, where can they
find you?

Speaker 4 (01:59:50):
On YouTube? Oh? YouTube? My channel is at red Wolf
with an E. It's R d W O l f
E thirty three at I Had Wolf thirty three R
E d W O l f E thirty three. And
I've got hundreds of videos up there of reversals from

(02:00:12):
all sorts of people, celebrities and politicians and religious leaders,
and lectures and workshops and old TV shows I've done.
They're all on my YouTube channel.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
And you have you have the live show every Saturday evening.

Speaker 4 (02:00:27):
Every Saturday at five thirty Pacific, I do a pod podcast.
It takes me your wait to get ready for that
because I've got to find new reversals, you know. Oh yeah,
so I know what it's like to prepare for a show.

Speaker 2 (02:00:42):
It keeps you busy, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:00:45):
So that's every Saturday, fast thirty.

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
So there you go, David. I appreciate you coming on again,
and you have a good one.

Speaker 4 (02:00:53):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (02:00:54):
Good night, sir, go back.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
I've got to tell you I've been wrecking my brain.

Speaker 2 (02:01:08):
Open to find it out.

Speaker 3 (02:01:14):
I've had enough of this.

Speaker 1 (02:01:16):
Continual rain.

Speaker 4 (02:01:19):
Changes are coming.

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A group of bigfoot researchers in New York's Hudson Valley
says it has spent years tracking reports of legendary creature
across that region. The team, known as the Bigfoot Researchers
of the Hudson Valley, was founded by RedHook Bait shop
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of New York City. According to Betty, the group has
received roughly three hundred reports from people who believe they've
encountered a large, mysterious figure in wooded areas. The team
looks into each report free of charge, often visiting forests,
hiking trails, and private properties where sightings are reported. During investigations,

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members search for possible evidence, such as large footprints, unusual
stick formations, hair samples, and other signs that they think
could point to the presence of a large, unknown animal.
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in hopes of capturing photographic proof. Wild Bigfoot is most

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commonly associated with the forests of the Pacific Northwest. The
group believes the creature could also inhabit the dense woods
and mountains of the Hudson Valley. Some members even speculate
the animal could occasionally wander closer to human areas during
winter months in search of food. Despite decades of sightings

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and investigations, no conclusive evidence of bigfoot has ever been confirmed. Still,
the researchers say they plan to continue documentary reports and
searching the region's forests for clues. Cryptid. That's it for
Dark Matter News. Catch up with us on the Midnight
Frequency Facebook page from Memphis, Tennessee. I'm Joshua Stark.

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Welcome, Welcome back to Midnight Frequency Radio. Our guests next
week will be Steven Bassett, Stephen is a political activist
and disclosure advocate. He has spoken to audiences around the
world about the implications of disclosure, the formal confirmation of
the heads of state of an extraterrestrial presence engineering the

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human race. He has lectured around the world on the
political implications of uap et phenomenon and given over one
two hundred radio and television interviews. Our second guest next
week is Panel J. Smith. She'll be here to discuss
her new book, Gaya City. We look forward to that

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until next week. For Art Bell, Joshua Stark, Josh Cheers,
and Lady Marie. I'm Carl Richardson. Remember to explore the unknown.

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