Tom Morgan June 6th 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Good evening night travelers, and welcome once again to Midnight
Frequency Radio. I'm your host, Carl Richardson, coming to you
from the Ozart Foothills of northeast Arkansas, where tonight we're
going to venture into territory that has fascinated humanity for generations.
For decades, people around the world have looked to the

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skies and asked a simple question, Are we alone? It's
a question that has inspired scientists, philosophers, government investigators, military personnel,
and ordinary citizens like us. In recent years, that question
has become even more compelling as governments have acknowledged the

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existence of unidentified area phenomenon, Military encounters have moved from
rumour to official record, and conversations about disclosure have entered
the mainstream. Yet the mystery remains, what are these objects,
where do they come from, and, perhaps most importantly, what

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do they mean for humanity. Tonight's guest has spent years
exploring questions that exist on the edge of conventional understanding. Author, researcher, philosopher,
and filmmaker Tom Morgan. Tom has devoted much of his
work to examining consciousness, hidden realities, and explained phenomena, and

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the growing body of evidence surrounding UFOs and the disclosure movement.
Tom brings a unique perspective to these subjects, one that
combines technical knowledge, investigative curiosity, and the willingness to examine
possibilities that many people are only beginning to consider. Will

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be discussing the current state of UFO disclosure, the evolving
conversations surrounding non human intelligence, the role consciousness may play
in understanding these phenomenon, and where the evidence appears to
be leading us. We'll also be talking about an exciting

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creative project currently in development, Mayorga. Drawing inspiration from extraordinary
events and themes that intersect mystery, human experience, and the unknown.
Mayorga represents Tom's effort to bring these compelling ideas to
a broader audience through film. The project explores questions that

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resonate deeply with many who follow the disclosure movement, the
nature of reality, hidden truth, personal transformation, and the possibility
that there is far more occurring around us than we
currently understand. As always, will separate speculation from evidence, ask
the difficult questions, and follow the conversation wherever it leads.

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So dim the lights, settle in and prepare for a
journey into some of the most fascinating mysteries of our time.
Tonight's guest is author, researcher, philosopher and filmmaker Tom Morgan.
Will begin our conversation right after this.

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Speaker 3 (05:28):
From the Ozark Foothills of northeast Arkansas, here is Carl
Richardson on Midnight Frequency Radio.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Tom Morgan. Welcome to Midnight Frequency Radio.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Carl, thanks for having me on, my friend. I really
appreciate the uh, the opportunity to talk. This is fun.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
No telling where we're going to go tonight, but I
guess I'll start out asking how you first got into
UFOs disclosure and other things that go bump.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Well, we have a mutual contact, which would be doctor
j Out in La and I began doing website and
production work for him. Gosh, it's got to be around
twenty thirteen, somewhere in there, maybe twenty twelve. God, it's
been a while. So yeah, I started working with him,
helping him produce his show, and then I branched out

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off onto my own show, which was Free People of
the Cosmos or some folks got to know me as
Free Cosmos, and then some other events came into play.
Then along came COVID. I've had that channel dormant for
a while, and I've been working on these other projects,
the TV show and some of this other stuff that

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I've been working on, and then now we have the
Advent of AI. So it's been kind of a crazy
journey I did some production work for a couple other
podcasts you may be familiar with, Broadcast Team Alpha and
Kate tore Vaultson in Norway. Did some shows for them
several years ago, and then I started, like I said,
I branched off into some of my own stuff and

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so yeah, so this is kind of a kind of
a return to the microphone for me tonight. So I
really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Carl, Well, we're enjoying having you here. And was there
any one particular event that led you into this field,
a personal experience or something.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Well, I will say long around eighty three eighty four. No,
probably there on ninety one ninety two. We had Back
then you had what's now become Google groups, but it
was back then it was known as usenet, and there
were all these groups on Usenet. It was a hierarchical,

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multi threaded chat. It was the precursor to the Internet.
It was the only way you could do kind of
group communications. Was what they called list serve was one method,
and then used it was another. And some of these
subgroups with one of them was Alt Conspiracy Area fifty one.
And once you found out about it, it was like

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you'd gotten into the underbelly of the Internet. Well that's
nothing compared to what people folks are getting into now
in the dark Web. Back then, the goop these Usenet
groups was that was the kind of the underbelly, and
some of the stories in there were utterly fascinating. Also,
that was the group, or one of the several groups
in which the MJA twelve documents got dropped, just dropped

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into those groups, and so that was kind of the
beginning for me. I'm looking at this stuff. I'm not
knowing whether it's true false, if it's a psyop, if
it's I'm being played. I have a twin brother, and
he and I both started kind of digging into it,
but we had life concerns, We had families we were raising,
so I really didn't get dug deep into it, but

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it was always sitting there, all these stories. There was
one author that went by the name of John Winston,
and this guy so the most amazing tales about a
giant blowhole in Mount Shasta and how there was an
underground federation, that this is where Gene Roddenberry had gotten

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his inspiration for the Galactic Federation. So these amazing stories
there was just this guy. You didn't know if he
was just creating stuff out a whole cloth or if
he was really relaying something that had possibility to it.
But nonetheless it was very fascinating for me. So there
was that, and my brother and I have always kind
of suspected maybe we had some sort of abduction in

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our history. We don't know for sure. You know, it's
like the fuzzy memory thing. It's just not something I've
ever really dug into. But there's always been something with
science fiction with uthology kind of buzzing around since I
was a kid. You know, Star Trek came on the
air in the late sixties. We were kids, we were
ten eleven years old watching Star Trek kind of and

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just grew up with it on constant reruns throughout our adolescence.
In high school and whatnot. You always had Star Trek
on and now you've you've got Star Trek from the
sixties on Pluto back to back. So we always had
kind of this this thread running through my brother and I,
both science fiction and eupology. So I really can't pinpoint,
you know, other than like I say that, you know,

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some of that early stuff I read on you know,
us that that kind of piqued my interest, but I
never had a direct encounter that I could point to.
It just seemed like something that was always grabbing my interest.
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, with with the current path that disclosure is taking.
And I don't know if you're like me, but I've
looked at a lot of these files that have been
released in videos and it's really nothing new. It seems
like they're trickling this stuff out. What do you think
for going I agree? I agree, my friend. I see

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this stuff and hearing stuff where people are saying, wow,
this is all new, and I'm like, well, wait a minute, No,
We've been hearing this now for the past several decades.
A lot of these stories is not new. In fact,
we're getting very I agree with you. I think we're
getting very little that's new other than some videos that
are interesting. Okay, that's curious, but I think enough. Maybe

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I'm wrong, but I.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Think enough of us that have paid attention to the subject,
some of these videos are not shocking. It's fits very
well with all of the narratives. A lot of the
et contact stories about stuff. You know, some of the
stuff that seems weird is the like they talk about
the jellyfish or some of these shape shifting or interdimensional

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sightings or contacts or you know videos, this kind of stuff.
And I guess if we had all just found out
about the first thing yesterday, it would be shocking. But
I think we've all been acclimated over decades to really
I'm not really surprised. I mean, it's interesting, it's like, wow,
well the it is curious, but it doesn't really does
it really seem like it's really outside the realm of possibility.

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Compared to everything we see right now in our own videos,
our own AI creations, our own sci fi renderings, games, commercials,
you know, it doesn't really seem that far fetched. It
actually makes people wonder if that what we're being shown
is AI.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Right, Yeah, that's true, and AI anymore. Some of this stuff,
just especially on Facebook, it's gone out in left field.
Some of the things that people are generating.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
I commonly referred to as AI slop my friend, and
I'm a hardcore AI user. I use it in development.
I built a web there's some software. In fact, we've
got doctor Jay's radio, we've got his site running on
the platform. So yeah, I'm deep into it. And yet
I still recognize the flip side of it is the

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AI slop, and so I think that's part of this
evolution that we're all going to go through. We're all
going to go through this this. Uh. I think it's
going to be a rebound back to authenticity, is my
real feeling. Folks are going to say, Okay, wait, this
was pre AI. This is a picture, a real photograph. Really,
you know, they're gonna it's gonna be it's going to
be kind of a shock You've got real photos, no kidding.

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So it might be it might be a kind of
a backlash against some of this stuff. People. Folks just
get so used to seeing perfect women and perfect man
you know, perfect male bodies, perfect female bodies. We're all
kind of getting kind of like it's just almost it is.
It's become h just don't want to see it.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, if you see one where I look good, you
know what's a because.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
That exactly I've got a face for radio, my friend. Yeah.
So I'm uh yeah, the best we can do, yeah,
cartoon it up as some effects. In fact, I think
it's kind of humorous. Really.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
I do advertising for a local company, and some folks
got upset about an illustrative look to what we had
done and got kind of a backlash and we wanted
real pictures, and they're like, okay, it's I think it's
all part of this. It's an infancy that this industry
is going, that this whole thing, it's in its infancy.

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It's the start, it's the dawn. It's the last couple
of years of complete jaw dropping AI developments every day.
Now we're starting to see some actual benefits. We're starting
to see some vaccines and some medical treatments now that
are you know, light years beyond what we had just
a few years ago. And so, yes, AI has actually
got an upside. There's some upsides to all the stuff

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that people are crying about. There's going to be some upsides.
I think once folks get used to seeing the upsides,
you know, instead of listening to all the horror stories.
It's like electricity. Electricity first came to the farm, everybody
freaked out, what do I need that for? You know,
and then they found out that, oh wow, I can
power them a whole shop up, I can cut wood,

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I can build things, I can do all kinds stuff
that I couldn't do before. So once people, I think
begin to see that, Yeah, there's obviously some negative impacts.
I think there needs to be a greater sharing of
the wealth that these companies are raking in. This isn't
benefit to humanity or should be a benefit to humanity.
I think there needs to be broader access than what's

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being given. But I think maybe this whole idea of
big server farms and whatnot is going to migrate into
stuff you can run on your own machine. It's going
to get compressed, it's going to get you know, it's
going to get scaled backwards away from these big server farms.
I think even the big companies are realizing that it's
not sustainable. It's just too much. You know, they may

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have to finish building what they got right now. But
I'm hearing a lot of these big server farm contracts
are being put on hold or maybe even canceled in
some cases. So I think it's all going to evolve.
You know, nothing's going to be what we think it
is like next year. Everything we're doing right now may
seem antiquated compared to what we have next year.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Well, I think a lot of environmental people are protesting
a lot of these server farms. I've seen groups in Hawaii, Yeah,
some in Tennessee and a few launch states. They just
don't want them.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
I think we need to understand. We got to see,
for example, let's go to an a an adjacent industry,
which would be solar. I think this idea that we're
going to have a solar farm, we've got to take
up these big areas of land with solar farms, or
that we've got to do this big industrial whatever it is,
has got to be this big centralized monster rather than distributed.

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So why don't we put the solar over parking lots
instead of doing it over good farmland. Put the solar
on the individual homes. Let's invest in our own personal
infrastructure so that we have a greater resiliency and each
place is only using what it needs. You don't have
this giant grid that some conglomerate can decide. You know,

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we're just is gonna We're going to cut you people off.
Or in today's new drone warfare, you just go clobber
somebody's drone uh solar farm with your drones. So I
think this idea of centralized everything is really going to
go away. I think it's going to be distributed. You'll
have your own like we buy a dishwasher and a refrigerator,

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washer and dryer. Okay, so your AI unit is going
to be down here. Uh, and we've got a heat
pump connected to it so you'll get heat back into
the house or you know what I'm saying. I think
I think we're going to migrate towards a more distributed
way of using AI. It's going to be on your phone,
it won't necessarily be on I think that's what Apple
is migrating towards. We're going to have an individualized element

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on your phone that it is running the AI. It's
it's not going to have to tie into a giant
infrastructure at Apple, you know. I think that's really where
it's all headed. I can't see them. I think the
server farm thing is a big freak out over nothing.
I think they're going to realize it's just not sustainable.
You're just going to have to basically put the entire
planet under a giant blanket of servers or move it

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to the devices make it more efficient. And I think
that's I think that's probably going to be the future.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, I see a lot of these solar farms popping
up across the Arkansas, but they're not as efficient as
a lot of people think they are.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Well, as much as I don't like him, Musk Tesla
had come up with these tiles that look like regular
roof shingles. Well that's a genius. Now you don't have
the quote ugly side of solar. Now you've got this
ergonomically or style. You've got some style back to your
solar power. I don't know how successful or unsuccessful it is,

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but to me it was a great idea. It maybe
it wasn't necessarily Elon's idea. It's that Tesla designed it
and engineered it and became the engineering of it wasn't
necessarily Elon's idea, but I think it's a better way
to be had. We need to have, I think, you know,
distributed off grid solutions. We don't need wires being strung

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across every county causing wildfires. Everybody has their own power, source,
their own water, what do you call it reclamation? Build
your own like they have these earthships in New Mexico.
They had to go through special permitting just to be
able to build these homes, but they have complete recycling

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built into the water they feed plants within the homes.
It's a brilliant idea, this idea that everybody has to
have a ranch type style home with three bedrooms and
a standard layout, no matter what climate you live in.
And it's all built to the similar specifications, not really
built to the geography, and it's all. You know. I

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think it is evolving. You're seeing a lot more cinder block,
Like I'm in Florida. You see a lot more cinder
cinder block type housing. But I think, really we need
to get back to something a little bit more environmentally
capable because of all this climate change that's going on.
Whether you believe it or not, we're having some changes

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going on, folks, And I think if we built a
little bit more engineering into it. For example, I love
the idea of these domes that I've seen build and
they're just gorgeous and they're just and they can take
hurricanes and they can take all kinds of weather. Compared
to the classic square buildings that we're all used to seeing,

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the domed homes have a much greater resiliency. So I
hope we migrate towards that. I just don't know if
we will or not, but it seems to me like
makes a lot more sense.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Well, I think they need to in places like Florida,
Hawaii and some of the other places get away from
these seaside houses on stilts. They're not going to survive.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
Well, that's a lot of that that's been out. But
let's why don't we come closer to where you folks
are at Up there in Arkansas? You run all the
way there's some kind of weird weather thing that goes
with the jet stream up Highway forty four. Because I
lived in outside of Saint Louis, grew up outside of
Saint Louis, and I had relatives down in southern down
by Joplin, and so it was like this weird corridor

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that paralleled the highway as almost like they built the
highway created a channel, because I remember how many times
there was a jet stream or something coming up through
that part of the country. And then in the summertime
where the spring, I guess during the seasonal change, you
get tornadoes and all kinds of crazy going through there.
So I don't know if it's necessarily you know, escape
to Florida. Yeah, but did you really you know, I

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don't know if escaping Florida. To go north is really
such a great idea either. I think we need to
build in all these areas much more environmentally integrated structures.
We're just not doing it. And then you have all
these folks within living in wildfile fire areas that if
they had dome homes, concrete dome homes, they wouldn't be

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suffering anything. It just be the vegetation around them.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
You know, it wouldn't hurt us. I mean, last was it?
Last summer? We had a tornado come through close to me,
I mean close by an eighth of a mile, right,
and of course we hit the storm shelter. And in
my younger years I used to chase storms seeing with
Ham radio and part of the storm spotters networks and everything.

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But my skin was crawling in there. I could hear
the winds outside, and I wanted to be outside, but
the wife and child said, no, you need to stay
in here.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
So when we were kids, I remember storms coming through Missouri.
We were kids. We used to love to throw a
frisbee up into the thunderstorm and our parents are like, idiot, kids,
come inside, Yeah, you gonna get hit by lightning. Uh right,
Just get the hell inside.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Too old. Nowadays, I can't run as fast as I
used to so well, I was a fast runner when
I was young. But especially I.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Don't think you're in an outrun lightning. I mean, you
got it, yeah, well yeah, chasing storms, I don't know.
That's that's that's you know, there's folks that like to
do that. I guess you're one of them. It was
I wasn't really intimidated by it, but it wasn't something
I felt I had to go chase after. You know,
I guess the pornado coming down on you will change
my mind. But I was always fortunate not to have
that happen. Unfortunately some have. In fact, so the Missouri

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Joplin got hit was that several years ago. Gooplin got
hit really hard.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
That was something I did in the nineties. I don't
even consider it now, and especially where I'm at Before
I lived on a flat plane area around West Memphis, Arkansas,
in that area. But this area here, if there was
one coming, you couldn't see it till it was right
on you because all the hills and it's not really mountainous,
but it's very hilly and in a lot of trees.

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You just can't see what's coming.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Bud the hills. Generally, the hills and all the trees generally,
won't that cause it to disrupt a tornado? Or is
it just the high winds doesn't really matter.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I don't know if they say that, but you know,
we've had a couple right here in my area, and
we've got plenty of hills that should divert it, but
it doesn't seem to be doing so.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yeah, well, here in Florida, you get you get a
few days warning. You can watch it on the map.
It's like a giant bowling ball coming across Atlantic towards Florida.
And then it's kind of like a big roll of
the dice, which way is it going to go? And
then everybody goes into an evacuation panic. But you have time.
You generally have a couple of days time, two, three days,

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and a lot of times you got a week, ten
days sometimes watching them come across. But I've heard this
year is going to be actually very light compared to
what we've had in times past. But then again, you know,
I'm not a weather guy, but this is what quote
they say on the on the weather weather reports that
I've heard that this year's this season, this hurricane season

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is supposed to be pretty light, so let'll see. But
I'm in a cinder block building with a roof rated
for CAT five, so I feel pretty confident. We've had
several really hard storms come through here, and frankly, it
makes a huge difference. You really don't even hear it
unless you go outside. You close the door, and it's

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you know, what's going on out there. But it's very
uncanny because the building is very solid. So I have
to say, these a lot of cinder block buildings in Florida,
you're pretty good shape. It's the older double wides that
suffer a lot of damage. But overall, there's still plenty
of older double white subdivisions that have done quite well

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in Florida. So but they're you know, they're riding thinner
ice than a cinder block building.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
But oh yeah, double one myself. Now. We took a
trip to the min and now Philippines in twenty twelve,
and while we were over there, they had a typhoon
come through. And most of their buildings in the Philippines
are rebarb reinforced concrete, so it really wasn't that all
that concerned about the building. But after the storms passed

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through some of the damage we seen in the extensive Yeah,
it was pretty rough. The houses you know, were there,
but a lot of roofs. The roofs were just ten
and bamboo type wood using for framework and stuff, so
they didn't farewell. A lot of roofs had to be

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rebuilt after that.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
When I was there in the late seventies, I remember
seeing buildings like you say, it was a very almost
like a concrete like you say, a concrete rebar. But
then there were also folks, poor people living literally with shocks.
They had made from the big elephant ear leaves from

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literally just thatch, just just you know, fashion cardboard or
whatever it could scrounge. So imagine those people probably took
it pretty hard.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Oh yeah, I wanted to get back toward the extraterrestrial subject,
certainly when it comes to the craft that people are seeing,
the saucers, the other shapes. I think the triangular TR
three B is probably ours, It's probably built by our government.
But the others do you believe they lean more toward

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extraterrestrial inter dimensional? Are something spiritual in that?

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Yes? Yes, all the above and the reason I say
that is, you listen to this latest whistleblower Jeremy Corbell
put into his latest movie, Sleeping Dog. You listen to
this guy Dylan, and it's almost like you feel like
you know this guy SE's very down to earth, and
you I just have a good sense of what he's saying.

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And he didn't feel the tr three the triangular craft
that he saw, he didn't feel that that was of
human origin. So what I think has been going on
is I read some stuff. We've got that one guy,
Michael Schratt, and this guy has gone deep on triangular craft.
If you ever want to know about the triangular craft thing,

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talked to Michael Schratt. Michael Schratt as the guy is
over the top on the triangular craft. And the sense
of it that I got from him is that we've
reverse engineered and or we've also created craft that use
a a super conductor like a super refrigeration superconductor method,
like when you see the puck that these guys will

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spin on a table super cooled using that same principle.
So there's that one, and then there is probably I'd
have to say, based on what I've heard over the years,
is that it's both. There's our reverse engineered t R
three b's and then there's the ETS version. And then
if you listen to Bishar, darryl Anka channels this being

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he claims, is Bishar, this et who is sitting halfway
between the Moon and the Earth, or actually they've moved closer,
recording to what I've heard, they've moved closer over Earth,
but they're out of frequency with the Earth. They're like
using whatever that is to tune out so that we
can't see them, and then they're going to turn it
on here in this next I guess within the next one.

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What I'm hearing twenty twenty seven is this big reveal,
but there's already a number of reveals going on. We
have the Buga sphere from Colombia. So I believe I've
been totally taken in by that story. I think that
story is legit. I think that the ETS are actually
starting to say, Okay, the children are growing up, they

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need to be taught. They need some drivers that otherwise
they're going to be loose on the streets with dynamite
and gasoline in the trunk and whiskey. So we need
to get these to get these children under control before
they destroy themselves. I think that may be part of
what's happening. You know that maybe this this is that
moment where they go, oh, the kids have to know.

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We can't just let them try to figure it out anymore.
They're not doing well. They're really kind of starting to
screw it up, and they're going to wind up in
jail or dead. So I think that's kind of what
I think are et overlords or watchers, or maybe they're
just concerned, concerned entities. Maybe there is no grand plan

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other than these folks showing up to see what they
can do. We just don't have enough information. We have
enough information to say that it's real. I think. I
think the question of evidence is way beyond what do
you call it. It's no longer a question of evidence. Yeah,

(30:55):
I think we're done with that question. I think now
the big question is who, what, when and where? And
I think some of this fear that I keep hearing
about that once the big reveal occurs, a lot of
people are going to jail. I'm not so sure. I
think maybe the the reveal itself, I just don't understand.

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I mean, I understand there's been a lot of skulldugree
going on. People have been killed, witnesses has been killed,
people have been just lives destroyed. But I have this
sense in the larger just a sense, and maybe I'm
just full of crap, but I have this sense in
a larger sense that the actual final you know, when

(31:40):
they it's like people need to hear it on CNN. Okay,
so now you heard it on CNN. Is that enough? No,
So when the big reveal is there, we see them,
you know, according to Bashar, floating over the ocean initially
so that we can kind of get used to them
being there, and then there's going to be introductions to
diplomats or the senior people of some kind. I think

(32:02):
this is going to finally change it to the point
where I don't think people are going to want blood
for the cover up, as much as folks might say.
I think maybe the magic, the fascination, the acceleration, the
ability to wink out of here and go to other

(32:22):
places and on their ships where we don't have to
figure out how to get there. They say, why don't
you guys just come along on one of ours. Were
already got that figured out. I think that will accelerate
humanity in ways that we're really not ready to. Maybe
we haven't really grasped what it all means, because I

(32:43):
think once we do have this open contact that Bishar
talks about and some of these other folks were talking about,
I just have a sense that it's going to outweigh
this lust for blood because of all the people they'd
kept it under wraps. Yeah, maybe there's going to be
some folks that happens to, but I just sense that
the magic's going to outweigh it. What's going to be

(33:05):
revealed is going to be so much of a greater
wow than the pain that came before it.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
On a lot of these missing scientists that we've been
hearing about lately, and I think recently they just found
remains of Melissa what is it?

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Cassius And I've heard both sides of this, So there's
a side of me is said, oh, yeah, really, there
seems to be something here. But I think is the
more you unravel this bundle, it's just a lot of
coincidental stuff. Where is it? I think it's more coincidental?

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Okay, Well, I know I had David data here on
back last year and he was going I believed to
Saudi Arabia to help them build a spaceport. Okay, excuse me.
And I've not heard from him since, and his phone
has been shut off, and I've been concerned about him

(33:59):
because of that, because we normally stayed in touching that
through phone calls are excuse me, Yeah, I've got a
husty barking in my I mean a bustin terrier marking
and a husky doesn't like it. Anyway, I've had concerns
about him.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Children want to play. It sounds like.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Absolutely, And I've not been able to get in touch
with him through email and his phone that's been turned off,
so I have concerns about him. Of course, he had
made comments he says, if I disappear, at least you
know where I was.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
So yeah, well then what if okay, so there could
be a multitude of other possibilities. What if he's part
of the open contact It has to be remain off
contact to the world in order to get through whatever
it is they're setting him up. Maybe he's going to
be part of that reveal. You can make up a

(34:57):
lot of different theories, you know, with's what's happening. Some
of these science quote scientists just I did hear a
very good debunk on this that led me to believe
that maybe this science, this this thing is more of
a but it's a viral rumor. It's a viral rumor

(35:18):
that doesn't have a lot of basis in Uh. It's okay, Yeah,
maybe you're connecting some dots, but I'm gonna need to
see more. I'm not totally convinced. I think some of
it has been uh maybe and maybe this guy that
I think was in New Mexico that disappeared, that might
be a ruin. That might be there might be something
to that. I'm not saying there isn't anything any of it.

(35:39):
I'm just saying that some of it has been ruled out,
uh after closer examination. So I've reserved myself on I
really have not followed it. But what little I do know,
I've I've heard some debunkery and maybe there is some
some Uh, there's always some truth in the middle.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, and that's rumors. You know how rumors are they
get out.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Of there'sked enough truth to screw people up and then
the rest is built around. Okay, a lot of you know,
we heard a lot about over the years. I remember
the big one for a number of years was the
sealed indictments. All those sealed indictments are going to be opened,
and we're going to find out who all these evil
people are. Then we found out there were no sealed indictments.

(36:22):
It was actually, yes, there are sealed indictments, but these
are not the sealed indictments you're looking for. And then
when then, when the sealed indictments were opened, now we
have what we have with Epstein files. The people that
were supposed to be the folks that were all Second
Amendment and watch off of the tyrannical government have all
become the tyrannical government. So you know, what was hot

(36:47):
conspiracy theory ten years ago is now has not aged. Well,
let's just put it that way, say it ployely.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
It's like, are they any mysteries involved with any of
this that keep you up at night?

Speaker 4 (37:04):
I think what I think? I'm like a lot of
folks that are interested in the phenomenon. I've had a
personal experience that some stuff was shown to me through
kind of an interesting set of circumstances that showed me
that there's something bigger going on that I've gone through.
I was raised in a very religious environment, with religion

(37:28):
stuff down my throat. After I left home, I went
through a kind of an atheistic disconnect from it. And
yet at the same time, the full atheist experience was
not answering a lot of the mystery of the universe.
It was like, Okay, that's the only okay we'll find.
You've checked off that off the list, But that still

(37:50):
doesn't explain a lot of other stuff that science cannot explain.
That some stuff that's been relegated over here to pseudoscience,
Well you can't talk about either stuff that was decided
for us. That we couldn't talk about stuff that was
decided for us, whether it had validity or value or

(38:11):
for example, the whole UFO question. Uh, the science has
always maintained this, Well, it has to be a reproducible
experiment in order to get through the scientific rigor of
scientific you know, integrity. Well, you're not going to get
uf you know et. Okay, can you do that abduction
for us again? Can we get another take on that.
I want to see the whole abduction experience again on

(38:33):
these people. Can we can we go right out there
with you guys? Can we can we sit in this
can we sit in the cockpit with you when you do?
Maybe they did, Okay, But what I'm saying is if
you want to look for the scientific scientific method as
your proof of concept or proof of proof of evidence
or whatever, it's out of place. We're talking about an
experiential thing that has happened to people that they can't
even quantify. How do you quantify being levitated through and

(38:57):
particle beamed through a wall? It is so far outside
our day to day based reality that most of us
live in. Being teleported through a wall up into a
spacecraft where you're medically examined, sexually stimulated, proked and prodded,
and everything else is so far off the norm that,
of course it sounds like garbage or or just hallucinations

(39:20):
or you were tripping, etc. It's just so far outside
of the norms of our reality.

Speaker 6 (39:25):
Right.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
So, I think that veil is breaking when folks kind
of get that, and I've noticed it hit the mainstream
six seven years ago, the idea of quantum reality, the
idea that everything is happening at once, that dogs are
going to bark.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
I'm going to go into my break and I'm going
to let these barking four legged creatures out.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
And it sounds like some folks need to get out.
That's right, they feel abducted. That's right. Lead them into
the light, my friend.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
All right, I'll start to break.

Speaker 6 (39:58):
I'll be right back already.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
I never believe in things. I couldn't see a set
if I can't feeling, how could it be? No, no
mag it could.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Happen to me?

Speaker 4 (40:26):
And then I saw you. I couldn't believe this. You
took my heart. I couldn't retrieve it, said to myself,
what's it all about? Now?

Speaker 6 (40:39):
I know there can be no time.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
You can do that. You can have added thing that
you desire, magic, and you.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
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Speaker 1 (45:13):
Tom apologized for the four legged anomalies.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
No problem, my friend. They seem to have a need.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Most definitely. Uh. Sometimes it feels like UFOs are only
a part of a much larger mystery. Do you get
that sense also, mm.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Hmm, like somebody is leading us into this direction. Okay,
they just need to think you just figured it out
a little bit more. They can just figure it out
a little bit more. They're getting closer, like we're being guided,
you know, or or being steered. I do feel that, Yeah,
maybe it's you know, maybe it's just a kind of
a spidy sense at best that I can't really quantify it, know.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, I can't talk. Have you ever looked at an
ancient history and thought that maybe we're missing part of
the story.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Well, of course, what do we go back to three
hundred thousand years at best? Maybe if we're lucky through
the Sumerian tablets and so in my story that I wrote,
I just took it back even further and just created
my own story out of it. I made my own
expansion of it based on an ancient alien theory that

(46:32):
was actually been played, actually played it in Stargate that
an advanced race basically seated planets and then just watched
the growth over time because they had the ability to
go backwards and forwards in time on that planet, and
they could use planets as a laboratory. You know, maybe
there's that possibility out there for Earth that we were

(46:56):
seeded and then walk washed. But it seems like over
the past what ten thousand years, we haven't had any
good guidance.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yeah, we're just unmonitored children's what we are.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
I think we got abandoned. I think that that maybe
our progenitors handed us off to the Yelohem and the
Ananaki and said, can you guys take care of these guys,
And that maybe these people that took over what I
call the bad Babysitter era, and then the bad babysitters

(47:34):
left and we've been fumbling along all our on our own,
making up our own stories out of Egyptian gods and
Jesus and Muhammad and all these other you know, in
the Hindu myths and everything else. It's just all the epidista,
the lost concept when you had in Star Trek and

(47:59):
the Omega Glory, the distortion. Somehow this planet had had
a connection, which was kind of weird in sci fi
to begin with, that these people had a connection to
our seventeen hundreds, that somehow they had the US Constitution
embedded in their colonies somehow. Anyway, it just gave the

(48:24):
writers an excuse to form this civilization that was eight
or nine hundred years out from the Constitution and had
taken our US Constitution and turned it into some words
you couldn't even understand. And so the words we the
people had been blurred into epleidnista. Well then it became
I did little research on it, and it became a

(48:46):
generic term for the lost concept that you lost the thread.
You know, you're out here making the words don't even
make sense anymore. You lost the thread. So think that's
a lot of what's happened to humanity is we've lost
the thread. We've been good, given we've been we've been
bumbling along with moral codes that we're supposedly handed down

(49:10):
by some of these quote gods that were turned into
religious pseudo pseudo spiritual practices that actually had no power
in them at all, or when they had power in them,
the power has been fizzled away because of the the principle.
It just everybody lost the thread.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Let's go into your uh. I was going to bring
this up later, But your movie that you're working on
called MAJORGA.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
But it's the TV show actually it's multi show, multi season.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, yeah, you want to give us a little story
on that. I don't want you to give the whole
plot away because then nobody want to watch it. But
give us a little insight into that.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
Well, actually no, it's like it's got it's got such depth.
And this is the point, but that it's it that
one reviewer told me, he said, you have to have
an entry point. So you're gonna have to come up
with an entry point to the story that folks can
latch onto. So the overall point was was that what
we see in media, television, gaming, and then the mind

(50:19):
share of this planet, the entertainment industry has gone into dystopia.
You know, you've got movies like Greenland and these dystopian
futures where everything looks like Aleppo, or we've been wiped
out by a tsunami, climate change and our own stupidity

(50:39):
wipes us out, and we're all living out of bunkers
and just scavenging and tribes and just just dystopia. So
I said, okay, can't we throw something a little better
out there? What would you what would you say if
we did something with the word utopia, Well, you can't
use the word utopia. That's just outlawed. They out the

(51:00):
word utopia a long time ago, did they? Or was
that kind of a steering? Was it easier to go
negative with dystopian stories, which actually do quite well on
streaming and on profit wise because people love fear and
violence and zombies running around. I said, well, in spite
of that, maybe something better could be written. So I

(51:21):
began writing a story in which ets basically showed up
to save us as a cosmic intervention. And a lot
of folks are kind of like, well, you can't do
that either. The Ets won't do that. They're just going
to sit there and watch us blow ourselves up. Who said, so,
there's these popular narratives about one seeking a utopian future.

(51:43):
Can we not retrain our brains instead of if all
the law of attraction stuff is true the manifestation if
we could get everybody thinking in terms of a positive
future instead of everybody off in game rooms sniping each
other and learning how to shoot each other better, and
call of duty or my other game pursuits that don't

(52:03):
necessarily what I would say, benefit society with a positive vibe,
you know, not trying to go full Tipper Gore and
get religious about it. But whatever we focus on, we
get a global consciousness. And a good portion of the
global consciousness right now is not doing well. It's not
focused in a positive direction. So my goal was, well,

(52:27):
can't you write a story where it works out better
that we might have a good ending That could be
boring as hell. Well, nobody's going to want to watch that.
They're going to want to see sam Peck and pod blowing,
cars blowing up on bridges and stuff, and people eating
out of dumpsters and zombies and stuff. Well maybe not.
Maybe if they had a choice to watch something that

(52:49):
gave a little bit more hope for humanity, that connecting
with our roots are progenitors. What if it had a
positive of the effect that we could be mentored back
to health, that humanity as a species could be rehabilitated,
but I think it's going to take it outside uh intervention,

(53:10):
and that's why I think it connects with what Summers
saying is going to be the big reveal next year.
So maybe my show is going to be too late.
But the idea was that the story follows the life
of one man, John Henry Foster.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Yeah, this on the website. He looks a whole lot
like Matthew McConaughey.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
Well, it's the profile and this is and it's okay
to do and I put a disclaimer there, so and
I think it's okay to do because it gives people
an idea. Kondaughey played a great character in the movie
Contact with Jodie Foster. He was kind of a spiritual
advisor and I can see him being his dollar Yeah,
exactly what he is. He's a cosmic guy, and I

(53:59):
really appreciate his ability to convey a lot of these ideas.
He embodies the guy that's asking why and what and
really gives it that kind of that emotional depth. So
I saw him as a perfect archetype. And maybe somebody else,
maybe you know, maybe Jason Bateman was a little bit

(54:22):
too old, maybe at this point, I don't know there's
other actors that could carry the carry the weight of it,
but he was the first one that came to my mind,
and I think he embodies the character in a lot
of ways that could be believable to folks on screen.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
I'm all in with McConaughey.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
So yeah, he's a good guy, and I know he
wants to do more, but I may not be able
to get him, you know, may come down to something else.
But the idea was to create a show that people
wanted to watch where we could see humanity succeeding that
with a little bit of guidance and mentorship from our
et friends, that actually we could see a future in

(54:58):
which we get our our Star Trek lifestyle way before
three hundred years or four hundred years from now, which
is portrayed in the Star Trek series, that we would
actually if the technology that I'm seeing, if any of
it has validity, which I believe it does, if that
technology comes into this base reality that we're living in

(55:21):
right now, if that technology comes in replication, transporting winking
in and out, interstellar travel, inter galactic travel any point
of the universe without moving, that kind of travel wormhole travel.
I think it's entirely possible when it comes into this realm.
It's going to take us from basically caveman to star

(55:44):
trek overnight. And we're already seeing our own progress with
AI is already accelerating some of this, and god knows,
maybe some of it is ET inspired. Maybe that's how
some of these transformers were built that do the a
lot of the AI quote. Thinking it may actually have
an ET influence, I would we be surprised at all to

(56:04):
find out later, Oh, yeah, we were helping you guys
to get that kind of going. Because AI is the
first non human intelligence that people are beginning to communicate with,
and people are finding out that if you can articulate better,
you get a better result. What it's doing is, I
think it's teaching a lot of us to communicate better.
We're going to be communicating with beings that know how

(56:25):
to communicate way better than we do right now. And
AI actually is not a bad foundry for learning how
to do communicate ideas better. I think there's a that's
another upside that I see. I think it will actually
help us communicate with these other species in a much
better way. We have to build translation devices we can

(56:47):
if we you know, I think it's a dual parallel
track that ET is coming and disclosing at a time
when we're also accelerating AI. It is an interesting intersection.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Now, the Majoga series, is that going to deal with
a lot of industrial like and magic type stuff. Is
it going to deal with AI J.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Well, the story is that the story is kind of simple.
ET shows up that we migrate to this other planet,
and from that planet we are able to forge other
colonies after going through a training period on this other planet,
and the benefits immediately that are given to humanity is
the anti aging basically the DNA readjustment that straightens out

(57:37):
the broken DNA and gets us into kind of an
immortal meat suit. Our body becomes more of an operating
system that we can repair using advanced AI in an
advanced ET technology and actually bring about reverse aging to
where you don't age, you go back to a thirty
five year old body, which I believe is entirely possible.

(58:00):
We may not see it now, and it may not happen,
you know, in two years and maybe ten years, I
don't know, but I see it happening that it's not
going to just be our own mechanical wizardry building by
robots that we can put our souls into, but that
it may actually just be that the bodies we have
are the superior, and that we learn how to repair
them maintain them in a much better way than we

(58:24):
are right now. That will actually get the regenerative cell regeneration,
which they're already learning how to do the work with
peptides and other things, is actually working, so I think.
But it's got to become more widespread. If it only
benefits the elite and you'd have to pay a fortune
to get it, I don't think that's going to be
a fair outcome. I think we're going to have the
technology to help everybody if we really, if we really

(58:46):
want to. I think it's going to come down to,
you know, whether we really want to, Because we can
feed and clothe and house all of humanity if we
really wanted to, Really, if we really really wanted to,
we can feed everybody. The industrial capacity to grow food
on massive scale all over the planet, even into desert areas,

(59:07):
could be transformed. The Chinese, the Israelis, these folks who
have learned how to do the rebuild deserts into into
a way into green, green areas. We could do it
if we wanted to. Question is does humanity really want
to Are we still going to be pretty much just
out to kill each other the first chance we get,
which is what we're seeing a lot of right now.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Yeah, I think we need to go that route, though,
we need to terror form areas if need be.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
If think about this, let's get back to my story
for just a second. I do to sidetrack and I apologize.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
That's okay.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
The idea here, part of this is is the you
think about it. If you've got a couple of kids
on the playground fighting and they're really starting to go
at it, and then somebody's already got a bloody nose
and somebody's really getting stomped, what happens at some point
a supervising authority. It's either going to be other kids

(01:00:03):
that are bigger and say okay, you guys got to stop,
or an adult comes out and breaks it up. Somebody's
going to go to detention. And I think there's something
about it when the higher authority shows up that the
kids will stop fighting. And I think that is the
important point here, is that we need a referee. We

(01:00:25):
need somebody to come in and say, okay, everybody stop.
We have, in fact, by the way, we've disabled all
of your nuclear weapons. By the way, none of your
military equipment works. By the way, we've decided to blank
all your Internet until you people stop. By the way.
They can do that. They've shown it done. They did
it back in the fifties and sixties on military installations,

(01:00:45):
routinely shutting things down. Let's want to let you guys
know that we're out here and we can we can
blow the whistle anytime we want and make it all stop.
So I think that it's going to come to that.
I think that humanity waiting for the top to do
the right thing. Humanity itself, you know, folks, they want up,

(01:01:07):
folks rise up and do something. A lot of times
they can't. Their ability has been taken from them, and
we wind up in a prison planet. And I think
it will take a higher authority to come in and say, okay, no,
you guys are not doing that anymore. It all stops now.
I think it's going to I think that's what we need.
So that may sound pollyannish or you know, well, they're

(01:01:29):
just not going to do it. I don't know who
says they can't, who says they couldn't do it, who
says they won't?

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
True?

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
Right, how do we know? In fact? That's I think
this is part of it. I think that that we're
finding out in the disclosure that we are getting, is
that these folks are finally having to say, well, we
we we we we don't. We don't know what that is.
And that's come from the highest end of the military.
We don't know. And they're they're worried that by saying
we don't know that somehow that's going to shake the

(01:01:59):
publics trust. It's already been shaken. By not telling us,
we already see with our own eyes what's going on,
And by not telling us you're somehow gonna you're going
to keep us from losing trust. We've already lost trust
in whatever quote national security. It's just a big it's
a big. It's a big. It's the big ability to

(01:02:21):
try to save face. We can't tell the public we
don't know. That would make us look stupid. These people
are light years advanced beyond your metal cannons.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Well, the first thing they need to do is step
in and shut down Facebook. And X and true social.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
And everybody taking time out got to tell you what Yeah,
well we yeah back to remember I mentioned the beginning
of the show talking about usenet. If we had actual
groups that were moderated and run in a fair fashion
and not run for the average I think that social

(01:03:02):
media could be a better place if it was not
run strictly to get eyeballs and views and sales, if
it was just a communications engine. It's not. It can
handle it exactly. They show they can handle it. If
it could be, it's a great power if it could
be used for good. You know, I don't blame me
for wanting to shut it down. To me, X is

(01:03:24):
just kind of a giant sewer. I don't even go
over there. There's nothing really for me to see over there.
I've got a few accounts that I've used over the
years just to kind of do for SEO. You know,
once you built the website, then you had to build
the X account, then you had to build the Instagram,
you got to go over to Facebook. So I would
build out all these assets for different website projects, for
customers and for myself alike. And honestly, I've got accounts

(01:03:46):
that's like if they shut them off tomorrow, it's I'm
not going to miss any of them. I'm not going
to miss any of them. One x X to me
is just a giant. It's another gravity hole of attention.
You go over on X and it's difficult to get
off of there. Wait, just as I want to see
what that video is, hold on, I don't close the window.
I want to see what that Wait? What was that?
The gravity is just like it was like, it's like

(01:04:09):
a black hole of attention. Facebook's bad enough, and I'm
not a fan of I'm not. I mean, younger folks
seem to like Instagram. I was never a fan of Instagram.
Facebook seems to be the most ubicuitous one that a
lot of people use.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
But what is it? Mostly for staying in touch with relatives?
I use it some for the show to get into.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
That's what I'm saying. It has an upside. It has
an upside, and it has a great advertising platform. It's
insidious for advertising. You want to reach a zip code,
you want to put out a note, specific target areas
or demographics. It's perfect works like a champ. But I
wish it was more good faith than bad faith as
far as the ads go and the advertising and the

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algorithms and all that, it's not good. It's not good.
They're not good faith actors. They're basically pushing the envelope
at every at every stage of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
And a political viewpoint. So someone gets in there talking
about one point and someone disagrees with it, it turns
to a mma event. Yeah, that's just you know, if
you have a difference of opinion, you read something you
don't agree with, maybe just move on. You don't have
to respond.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
But it's it's the way the thing is designed. It
will pull you in. No one's immune. I've been pulled in.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Oh yeah, I've got to the point if I say
something I don't agree with, I just move on.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Well yeah, I mean that is the growth point for
all of us, you know, to get past it. And
it's and I do the best I can, but people
get triggered easy and uh, and everybody's on edge. It's
all part of this manipulation that's going on to demoralize
the country, get get folks angry at each other and

(01:05:59):
see this point. That's why I'm saying the kids are
down in the dirt on the playground, bloody and both
of them got bloody noses and nobody even knows why
they're fighting anymore. They're just blooding each other's noses, and
adults got to come in. And I think that's that's
why I think if the ets, like Bashar talks about,
he said, they're just going to show up and sit

(01:06:19):
off the coast, not gonna do anything, and take pictures
and can fly around them and shoot missles out. Nothing's
going to happen. And he said, that's basically just get
you folks used to the fact that we are indeed here.
And I'm like, okay, that's great. That's exactly because it's
got to be finally the teacher has shown up on
the playground, you know, and the kids can stop blooding

(01:06:43):
each other's noses and look up. It's a little bit
higher authority above you. I think that's what we need.
It's not that they become our gods or anything like that,
but it's going to be such a huge Wells traction
to get everybody off. You know, you want to point
your phone at something. Look at this. These folks came

(01:07:06):
through a multi dimensional universe from their own universe over
to ours, and some of these folks are from another
frequency right here with us, and some of these folks
are going to be coming in from who knows where,
all points of the universe, So it won't just be one.
It's going to be a lot of them, and I
think it's going to be a huge enough distraction. My

(01:07:28):
hope is that they disable a lot of the military stuff.
The nuclear stuff just winds up not working or it
falls apart and rust. Well yeah, I mean there's there's
frequencies that gonna make stuff fall apart. Imagine just stuff
just crumbles in the silo. You know. They I've seen stuff.

(01:07:51):
Have you seen this guy, Ashton Forbes? Have you seen
his stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
I've heard of him. I don't recall saying any of
his stuff. I might have and just you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
Know, well he had posted out on x and his
big claim is the videos that showed the NH three
to seventy or I may have the number wrong, but
the plane, the Malaysian flight that disappeared. He claims that
these orbs, that this was an intelligence operation using reverse

(01:08:20):
engineer technology or technology they figured out on their own.
These orbs surround the object, create a wormhole effect and
snatched the object right out of thin air. According to
these videos that he posted, you see the entire operation
taking place and as this plane is taking off, and
then the reason given was that the scientists on board

(01:08:44):
were going to reveal the technology that was used to
keep them from revealing the technology that I think this
was the Chinese government, that these were Chinese operators that
were on that plane, that we're going to reveal this
secret to humanity of how this stuff works. And somebody
else said, no, you're not. And according to the story,

(01:09:05):
see there's no evidence here, so just folks just be
entertained out on the highway late at night. According to
the story, the plane was landed and everybody was eliminated
except for the operatives that were going to reveal the secret,
and they were put in prison. So I don't know.
It could be total sci fi, could be total propaganda,

(01:09:26):
could be total disinfo, could be just a complete pile
of made up as far as I know, But when
you watch these videos of the plane being snatched, it's
damn good, you know. And at this point with Ai,
I don't know. I just don't want to believe. I
think it's so far out there. It could be a
little side of me that says, well, maybe there's something here,

(01:09:50):
you know, but we don't have enough evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Where could I find those videos? I like taking a
look at those.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
Look at Ashton to find out. You got to find
him on ecstasy. You got to go over to the
Toxic Waste, don't You're gonna have to go over to
X and look at Ashton Forbes. I think he's got
this stuff on his X account, or he may have
actually got a website that he's got this stuff on,
but he and I don't remember how he got the footage.
I don't know if it was an insider or a

(01:10:18):
whistleblower or some kind of forget the chain of custody
on these videos, but he claims they're real, and he
claims that this stuff actually works. So this is all
part of it. I think part of this big reveal
is actually getting to the truth of what is actually
out there. What are we seeing? Are we looking at
AI inspired videos? Because chat JPT has been around for

(01:10:39):
what three or four years, so Claude's been around. I've
been using Claude since twenty four so there we go
two years. You know, I have no way of knowing
unless somebody gives me the day and time. When I
see a UFO video on any kind of web posting
of any kind, is kind of give us the date
and time, let me have the contacts, because you could

(01:11:00):
have done that in any number of AI tools. So
for me, you're going to have to have that authenticity. Now,
now there's going to have to be a complete because
I'll flip right past them. Now. I've seen so many
that are just awful, yeah, and then some that are good,
some that are looked like, Okay, maybe I'd like to

(01:11:20):
believe that maybe there's a pyramid floating over the pyramids.
I mean, that seems cool, but is it real? I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Oh, that's an intriguing video there, I found it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
It is. Yeah, but uh but.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Like you say, is it real? Is it AI?

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
Yeah? Done a CIA lab just to mess us up.
Oh yeah, you know, oh yeah, some of that stuff
is down good. I have to say, it's just like, oh, cokay. Well,
and once it goes to video like that, there's absolutely
no way of doing any forensics on it. Yeah, it's done.
You know. At best you can tweak the contrast and hope,

(01:11:59):
hope for the bestest tell of it. So pixelated, there's
nothing left anyway, You're okay, maybe somebody did sneak this out,
but I just don't know. And then I keep hearing
about more and more. I think once you see ET
contact with like Bashar says, they're floating off the coast
and you can go see them and drive your boat

(01:12:19):
up under them and see what's there, I think that
will be the big reveal to begin with. I don't
think it's going to be a government reveal. I think
it's going to be the ETS themselves. Is it will
be a grassroots reveal. It'll be the people's disclosure, if
you will. It's going to be the contact ease and
the the ETS between the humanity itself, not waiting for

(01:12:42):
the governments of the world to take care of business
because they've all, you know, then they're all trying to
cover their own butts.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
You know, and dragging their feet and releasing stuff that
we haven't already seen before.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
That's uh yeah, And the more you understand it, I mean,
I have to give jeremyl credit for showing a lot
of the stress and tens and the quagmire that the
government is actually in. I've heard people make the argument
against Lou Elizondo and others. They make these hard cases or.

Speaker 8 (01:13:15):
You, why don't they just tell everybody? What are they hiding?
Why don't they step up? Don't they have any balls?
What's the matter with these people? They just need to
tell the truth. Well, guess what, you just sentenced that
guy's wife and kids to death. You just sentenced him
to losing his pension and his retirement and his solid security.

(01:13:35):
People are ruthless.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
So when people get all up in arms about these whistleblowers,
why don't they just tell everybody everything. You got to
realize this besides killing the wife, the guy's wife and kids,
they will ruin you and make you wish you were
dead too. And who knows. I mean, you look at
some of these, like you said earlier, you know there
may be some truth to these disappearances. I'm sure there's

(01:13:59):
some of them that are obviously unsolved. Wouldn't be surprised.
But that's what the whistleblowers face right now. They faced
being disappeared, they face being having their families messed with,
They face losing pensions and become, like Will Smith, an
enemy of the state. The ATM CAR no longer works, So.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
We'll look at people that have had experiences like Jonathan
Reed or people that and if you believe Bob Blazaar
and though they're getting rid of his education credentials and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
Oh yeah, absolutely not even a question. That was an
easy one, you know, why not make yourself look even guiltier. Yeah,
so there's been enough though. George and Napp actually did
the follow up on that and found out that yes,
actually there is a record that they forgot to scrub.
There's a couple of areas they forgot to scrub. There
was a public thing that Bob did with his jet car.

(01:15:00):
So Bob was no slouch. He was a key individual,
and the guy was he's extremely bright. So I think
he did the best thing coming forward. But he did,
he risked everything. And but but George Knapp, I believe
was what he said was you're gonna the only way
out is through. You're going to have to go big
or go home, or you're going to be dead. They
will disappear you. So I think that I think he

(01:15:22):
did the right thing, and I believe Bob. I don't
see the guy aggrandizing himself like I see Greer or
some of these other folks. They really are it's all
about the celebrity status and being the guy. I'm the guy. Hey,
everybody over here, I'm the guy. And it's like, instead
of just being you know, he Greer went for the

(01:15:47):
celebrity and became too big, too inaccessible. You got to
go through his handlers. It's ridiculous. I see that happening
a lot of ethology, where these folks turned into Volune
superstars and kind of lost the focus of the thread. Again.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Yeah, they took an alternate route.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
Well, yeah, they saw an opportunity to get some book sales. Okay,
so okay, I got you. I guess you got your
book sales. You got your But to me, I guess
you know. I guess that's you know, it's a free country,
or where it was at one point. They do what
you want to do. But I think it, what do

(01:16:33):
you do the folks researchers. I feel good about researchers
making money off their books and the things that they do.
I think that's well within reason. I think some of
the showboding and the the the celebrity status of some
of this is overblown. And this is the point.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Yeah, I did this show. I don't make a dime
off of it. I'll bring folks on to give their viewpoints,
their side of the stories, and go from there and
if the audience.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
Yeah, if there's resonance, then they'll accept it. That's the
thing is I believe in that. My whole outlook is
it's a quantum universe. We've got this baseline, the reality
that we've been dropped into, almost like a Slider's episode,
and now you've got to figure your way around it.
And then we find out there's new rules to the game.

(01:17:31):
The rules have been there all along, but they got
to obuscate. Okay, what are the rules. Well, it's quantum reality.
It's whatever you want it to be. Okay, really, well, yeah,
you have whatever you want. So now we're kind of
getting used to this idea, which is as old as time,
some of these principles. Now that folks have been excited
about things about that they've learned about ancient Egypt, some

(01:17:52):
of the practices, some of the emerald tablets and things
of that nature, ancient writing, is that we have been
sitting there a while and we're kind of denied or
set aside. But now people are saying, no, wait a minute,
now there's something going on here. There's some information we

(01:18:13):
can use here, these principles. Some of these principles work.
I'm a big fan of the law of one. I
don't sit there and research it every day of the week,
but I did get a great I did feel a
great residence with it in a in a lot of ways.
So those are things I think that if you keep
your mind open, look for the positive, lean positive. I

(01:18:37):
think that's the goal. So that's the whole goal behind
my TV show and everything else I'm trying to do,
is try and lean positive in a crazy world in
which I too get triggered. I too got to wring
myself in. I too got to deal with a lot
of this crazy that's going on right now. So for me,
stuff like what you're doing, Carl, this is great. Get
people talking, get people thinking that maybe we can think

(01:18:58):
positive things, and yes, it does matter that we can.
We can have different opinions. I think people folks are
a lot more open though, now, don't you think, Carl.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Yeah, their minds are expanding, But you know, you still
got the group of people. I don't know if you
get on Reddit, I've got a page on there for
the show. But some of the debunking. I look at
that and I'm like, well, I can debunk to the dunker.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
So you know what, Honestly, Reddit has never been a
place I felt I needed to be, or anytime I
see a Reddit reference, I'm like, oh god, it to
me is one of the last places on Earth I
ever really like going to. There is an unusually strict
or difficult culture there that I haven't been able to
put my finger on. It just seems like it's a

(01:19:49):
difficult place. You either got to go buy a lot
of route, there's a lot of rules and hierarchies, and
I just it's just never comfortable there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Yeah. And I don't know if you remember Belgab when
Art was doing his show, the personalities of some of
the people that show up there are the dreads of
the Earth. I mean, really, it's real.

Speaker 4 (01:20:14):
I never took any of that stuff serious.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
I don't either. It was a place to hang out
back when Art was still on the air and he
was doing Coast to Coasts and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
But see, that was an outgrowth of what people wanted
out of news usenet. It was exactly and see that's
where Art Bell came from. Out out of that world.
He remembers using it. Well he's gone now, but he was.
He was probably reading those same groups Stanton Freeman. A
lot of these people were mentioned out of them. If
you go to Google groups, just for folks that are listening,

(01:20:45):
look at Google Groups and they've archived all those and
if you look up all conspiracy Area fifty one, Art
Bell I think is mentioned in some of those. This
goes back to the eighties, so early eighties, I think
it was up until around the nineties, and then used
that got bought up. It's been bought and sold a

(01:21:06):
number of times and you have to actually pay to
get it from some outlets. But Google groups has a
bulk of it there, and I remember Art Bell being
discussed there. Then you had another guy. There was a
bunch of other people. There was Jerry Wills, and there
was which I never listened to. There was another guy

(01:21:27):
and these people all by the way, somebody had told
me that they had connections to Gene Roddenberry also, so
the Gene had these people that he knew kind of
in a kind of the early days of ethology that
were part of his resources. If you will.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Yeah, well a reddit, there's a subreddit for art On reddit,
and I've got a yeah, and I've got a subreddit,
and of course I always I'm a Ham Radio operator.
I'm part of some of the subreddits for Ham Radio
and uh, I'm not sure if you're familiar with it,
and people probably think I'm crazy. There's a Japanese section

(01:22:07):
for some of the Japanese superheroes that I grew up watching. Yeah,
people like Ki Kaida come and writer and there's so
many generations to come and writer. Now it's not even.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
Funny way outside my my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Yeah, it's the shows. The shows are interesting. It's it's uh,
you know, some of the Power Ranger stuff, original Japanese
stuff is okay. I didn't care for the American version.
They Yeah, they brought it down so many levels to

(01:22:45):
you know, drawing the children of the areas.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
But kind of like Ultraman.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Yeah, yeah, I was an Ultraman fan back in the day.
But some of this stuff's gotten I don't see.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
Yeah, the Ultraman thing I remember that was there was
I grew up outside of Saint Louis and we had
a UHF station that did back to back Star Trek
and did a lot of old monster movies fifties fifties
sci fi reruns of Andy Griffith and who Was It?

(01:23:21):
Leave It to Beaver had all your fifties reruns, and.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
It was a television station that played a lot of those.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
Yeah, it was all that old old stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
I'm like you. I'm a Star Trek fan to the point.
I had an old plasma TV that I stayed on
BBC America so much watching Next Generation in the original
series that it burned the BBC America logo into the
lower right exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
I had a friend of mine that was he was
huge into the Next Generation. And then I have another friend,
her daughter was huge go to the and dragged her
to those conventions. She did never liked any of it,
but her daughter dragged her to a lot of the
conventions and she wound up with a lot of Star
Trek paraphernalia that she's trying to sell to this day
that she still had in boxes. Christmas ornaments and that

(01:24:17):
kind of stuff. So if anybody's into that stuff, you
sure to contact me. I can connect you with her
and she's probably be happy to get rid of it.
But I mean, I've seen some of it. It's some
amazing stuff, But I was never into the Star Trek.
For that reason, I was more into the characters they
and Spot was probably my favorite. But yet at the

(01:24:37):
same time I liked Kirk and McCoy The Big Day
were the top three, and it was a great synergy
between the three of them. The energy and the dialogue.
They created a you know, a triad that you could
bounce these ideas off of. You had this guy that
gave the perfectly logical, excellent a another guy ruled by

(01:25:01):
a motion, another guy that was always trying to get laid.
Think about it. I mean, you look at the outfits
that these women are wearing on Star Trek from the
net for the original series. You're like, you're not going
to see that nowadays. No rings swung in the wrong
the other direction.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Roddenberry pushed the boundaries with with those out.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
Oh my goodness. Yeah. Well, and it wasn't just the outfits,
it was the overt sexual come ons and the the
the yeah. That was that was well written into the
into the scripts. Kirk was gonna somehow was the one
planet to go down to on vacation. McCoy's got two
android babes, so he's having a great time. After all,

(01:25:45):
I am on vacation and you're like, Okay, you know,
it's not like what you're going to see now. So
and I think that's part of what's been uh you know,
I'm I don't just don't lump me with this, but
there's been a certain amount of political correctness that has
come into the entertainment industry because of fear of advertisers

(01:26:07):
they're going to take the advertising money away, so they
write these politically correct and politically safe TV shows that
basically stand for nothing other than just a lot of
stupidity or crime scenes. The crime shows. You know, I
got to have a good crime show.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Starfleet Academy wouldn't have been bad. Some of the story
plots I liked, but like.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
I took a look at one or two episodes, maybe
just didn't cut for you. This isn't that young what
they call a young adult? Ya is that young adult?

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
It just didn't appeal to me. I guess it's something
for everybody. I try not to be. Here's what I
try not to do with film and with cinema. These
people got themselves in front of the camera. You got
to give them credit for that, right there. You give anybody.
I don't care if they're a red shirt or a
guy I'm mopping floors in the background, you got to
give them credit for getting in front of that camera.

(01:27:13):
And if they got lines and the lines are bad,
they're just doing the bidding of the guy that's writing
the paycheck. Is there your lines? I need you to
camera block over here. Okay when you hear guy says action,
I want you to walk from over here and to
stay out of the way, and do not look at
the camera. Just walk over here. Okay. These are people
that have put a lot on the line with their

(01:27:33):
own faces into television and acting. So for me, I
don't care if the shows are bad or good. It's
the fact that it was probably bad writing and bad
direction or bad budget. Somebody didn't build something right. But
I really try not unless the guy is really bad.
Somebody made a bad decision getting a guy on TV.

(01:27:55):
I don't see that. I see a lot of times
what you can see exactly why somebody's chosen they're cute,
see they're the best things in slice bread, or they're
truly talented. So I never get on anybody's case about
being on a show. It's for me. It's generally who
wrote this, and who put these people through this?

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Some of the writers have gotten lazy.

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
They just or they're being pressured by an industry that
does not allow them to go to the depth they want.
For example, you think about when Star Trek was done,
you had three seasons, and what do they have? Thirty
episodes per season, so you had three times the length

(01:28:37):
and a lot of television shows of those eras were
twenty and thirty forty, some of them fifty episodes for
a season.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Yeah. Now it's leg it's to.

Speaker 4 (01:28:47):
Ten seven to ten. Yeah, and I'm supposed to get
the entire gist of all of it. So, and it's
what Taylor Sheridan called a ten hour movie. Yeah, so
that's what you're really coming up with. Some of them
are good, like for example, I like Taylor shared and
I like the Guys stories. But there's things I would

(01:29:09):
have done different. There's shows I think that we're like
some of the spinoffs of Yellowstone. I don't think really
I have been what I would call groundbake breaking television.
The good television, great production, but some of it's gonna
mee me. But it's my opinion, and I have to
remind myself that it wasn't your money, wasn't your budget,

(01:29:30):
wasn't your you were not on screen. You really don't
have a voice other than as a armchair critic to
criticize multimillion dollar productions. So I try not to be
too harsh of a judge. Sometimes I'm watching stuff that
is like, well, the money you spent, couldn't you have
spent something a little bit more positive? Then? Yet another

(01:29:52):
slasher movie, Yet another chainsaw massacre, Yet another some sort
of live action people getting blown up and shot in
the face kind of movie. You know, can we do
something a little more positive? That's always been my goal
is try not to I love an action movie, Don't

(01:30:14):
get me wrong. There's been some great action movies out there.
Love Jason Stidham. But we need that same kind of
We need to find that same kind of fun in
a little bit more positive direction. And I don't always
know what that is. I just know that it's not
healthy for us to be watching scenes of people getting
their heads blown off or in portrait chambers or being

(01:30:38):
is it really do we really need that? Is that
really something a stressed society really needs? And then there's
people say, well, yeah, that's how I get rid of
my stress intention. I'm like, okay, I don't get that.
But if that's your argument and it makes you a
better person, I guess that has its place. But I'm
not seeing it being a positive contributor to society trying

(01:31:00):
to be lude eyed or not trying to be a moralist.
I'm just saying, you put too much pepper on it.
You're going to ruin them, You're going to ruin the meal.
It's like, there needs to be more balance, is what
I think. A little bit more balanced in a positive direction.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Well. See, I like Star Trek emotion picture, but it
was an intellectual movie. And then they came out with
Star Trek The Wrath of Khan and everybody loved the
Spice battles.

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
So, oh yeah, that was one of the all time favorites,
was The Wrath of Khan. Yeah, and Ricardo Montalban was
giving somebody was giving him shit about his chest that
he was wearing a prosthesis and he was not. He
was not wearing Yeah, that was one of the big countries.
I'm like, okay, not something I really thought about. I
just saw him as the crazy, the crazy uh, the

(01:31:44):
crazy man from the planet. But yeah, that was a
great movie, well done, very well done. For his time,
Star Trek broke a lot of ground. The one thing
I did not like about Star Trek was the Paramila
tarry aspect and a lot of assumptions, and there was
there's instances when you know, a lot of Star Trek

(01:32:06):
is that you wind up going to every planet you
go to, everybody speaks good English. So for me, those
were some weaknesses that they try to get rid of
them from time to time, but I think sometimes Stargate
did a better job of that. Stargate was another one
of my favorites.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
The Star Trek tried to explain everything away with a
universal translator.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
So yeah, see this was think about it now. This
was an era when we still had not come to
terms with consciousness. Consciousness was something Carl Jung had talked about,
and well, yeah, he was just a crazy German guy
from World War Two. We're just going to move along.
And then the CIA starts understanding remote viewing, it starts
understanding and there's episodes of Star Trek that actually delve
into these topics. But we still weren't ready. We still weren't.

(01:32:50):
It still was not mainstream. It was on Star Trek.
You could believe that on Star Trek, but you don't.
We've just time to when you turn that office, time
to get back to quote the base reality. So it
was not something that was mainstream now. A lot of
what you see on starbuckers like, wow, hey, that's a
great I can believe that there's stuff going on with
this planet. They get to where these the soul entities

(01:33:13):
of the last three there's like three main minds that
are still alive on this planet inside these containers, and
they move into the enterprise bodies, and it's a great
study and consciousness. What is consciousness in the minds of
these people that are energy beings. Now, it's a lot
of concepts. Back then we might have been a little

(01:33:34):
bit more thought, more silly, or actually have aged quite
well from Star Trek. Some great topics in Star Trek
that have aged very well. So, yeah, that's one of
the enduring aspects of it, which makes you kind of
wonder where did Gene get all those I das from.
Was it all just Gene or was it some of

(01:33:56):
these other folks that Gene was talking to.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Yeah, but I think he was. He friends with Isaac
asim Off. I think you one time, and.

Speaker 4 (01:34:07):
You had well and may been and some of these
other guys, Kurt Vonnegut may have been, They may have
all been peers. But you had a different culture with
writing back then than you do now. Back then, the
idea of a writer there was a complete writer's career path,
and at some point you had to kind of go
through this New York literary tribe to get really recognized

(01:34:28):
that you were finally made it to the best seller
and you've been represented, and you've got an agent, and
now you've you've got you're the man about time. You've
got your agent and a healthy writing career that you've
built over time, and now you're the guy. Well that's
all gone. Now everybody's their own writer. Now you've got AI,
you've got plenty of writing tools. Now anybody could be
their own self published author on any topic. So back

(01:34:52):
then it was more of a prestige role to be
the writer. And I think, uh, you look at some
of the writers from Star Trek, they became a little
bit more revered compared to more recent writers, and maybe
that's just maybe maybe I'm not I've never been a
I've never been somebody that followed other writers, And I
don't know if that's a thing or not, but that's

(01:35:14):
not never been something that I did. But I think
those writers then had more prestige, and so did some
of the next generation writers, and some of those people
there was creative people that came through that that actually
made a name for themselves. But I don't know our
other writers nowadays getting the same kind of prestige. I

(01:35:34):
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
You've mentioned consciousness a number of times. Do you think
we're evolving? I look at humanity sometimes and I think
we're going backwards from not going forwards. What are your
thoughts on that?

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
Well, I think I agree with you at some point.
It seems like somebody said this too. This is necessarily
my thought that maybe this is what happens, that it's
just a never ending loop, that we get to a
point we self destruct and as a remnant, and they
start over and you got to learn it all over again.
You go for another couple of thousand years, and then

(01:36:16):
that blows up, and then you got to go through
another cataclysm, and then all blows up and you start
all over again, and everybody crawls out of their bunkers.
I don't know. I think that as a I think
that we are each a divine, a piece, a spark
of the divine, and that we inhabit these meat suits.

(01:36:37):
And maybe there's numerous lives that we've had, and maybe
we've been earther's for a while, and maybe you've been
a number of lives on this planet or others. Those
are all possibilities in my thinking. What I really would
love to know is that I could keep my memories
from this life into the next one. That would be great.
Then I feel like maybe I've learned as a being.

(01:36:58):
I've learned, then I could evolve, But to get set
back to a reset every time I get reincarnated to me,
it seems kind of maybe that's the is that kind
of a yeah, Like, why am I getting you blanked?
I should when I get respond, I should carry all
my previous game points with me. And I think that
might maybe they're maybe that was supposed to happen, that

(01:37:20):
maybe we were supposed to keep that, and maybe somebody
has been working against us. Maybe they're blanking us out
on the other side. I don't know. So there's a
lot of possibilities. I believe in possibilities. Maybe the next
reality after this one is one that you decided that
you wanted to have.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
Well, I've heard people on other interviews saying, you know,
we're set back until we get it right. But how
do you know if you've got it right or not
if you don't have a memory of past lives?

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
Right? I think it's that that that that's where I
believe that maybe Okay, so just I'm just this guy.
But I said to myself, with me be universe, I'm
not coming back unless I get to bring my memories
with me the next time. Maybe that's the decision I
have to make. Maybe you decide that you're going to
be a I spoke with this guy forget his name,

(01:38:17):
a couple of years ago. We had had an experience
with extraterrestrials, so relating someone else's story, but he talked
about seeing these beings. This one being that was basically
he said it was like a big eyeball, and he
said there was another bunch of lights that were with him,
and they were different beings and they were all traveling together,

(01:38:38):
and he said, we just these beings said, we just
want to see the universe. I'm thinking to myself, now,
that's very cool. They're living a life of a some
kind of an evolved being that obviously doesn't need to
eat anything, but that these beings could just float around
in little groups exploring the universe. Now, to me, that

(01:38:59):
might be pretty exciting. That you're not bothered by the
gravity of Jupiter, that you could just go down and
look at the surface because you're not a solid being.
You're more of an energy being, so you're not affected
by gravity, and you could just fly through a black
hole and see what's going on. Maybe that's another way
of being as a divine spark, that these people decided

(01:39:23):
that that's what they wanted to be, and that maybe
being human is something we've decided every time. Maybe we
come back because we decided to come back. Maybe it
was the sex. Maybe we were going to win the lottery.
We thought we were going to be the emperor of
the planet. Who do those? But some people say, well,
we decided we made a contract to come here, and
maybe that's true, and maybe that's why we're here for

(01:39:45):
this moment, is to deal with what's going on in
this moment, and maybe another life of mine is out there.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
I don't know. I mean my luck, I'd come back
as a payote or something.

Speaker 4 (01:39:59):
Well, maybe you and you know what you might be,
you get your wish. I think it's all the giant.
It's a giant prompt. Life is a giant prompt, Like
we give the prompt to the AI. Give me this,
or make me a picture of this, give me a
give me an image of that. Uh, you were a
give give me the business plan, or give me the
legal this or legal that, because you're an amazing lawyer

(01:40:20):
and you tell the AI what to be and it
becomes that it gives you back the information you need. Well,
maybe the universe is the similar way that the universe
is only giving you what you desire. And maybe you
want to come back as a pot roast in the sun.
You maybe you get that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
Carl, Well, that's that's not my wish, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:40:40):
It love Well now that maybe, Well, according to what
everybody's been saying about this, it's kind of like you
just decided. So it's it's minute by minute. And I
kind of tend to agree this with this, that the
decisions we're making minute by minute, or we are directing
our lives, we are at the minute to minute rewrite

(01:41:01):
of the entire story. So the decisions we make, like
whether whether we pick the phone up or not, or
whether we walk out the door when we go to
one store or we go to a different store. Every
little micro decision it adds up to something.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
I don't know. Perhaps maybe I'll be a star child
like you say, I'd rather be going around with that'll
be fun.

Speaker 4 (01:41:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, not bothered by You don't have to
worry about working or doing anything else. You're just kind
of like checking out the universe. I'm just gonna go
check out this gas giant today. We're going to go
do the gas giant. Great, you guys want to go,
We're going. And they're able to just go throughout the universe.
That would be sounds to me like it might be
a lot of fun. But maybe there's a maybe that's

(01:41:45):
their mission. Maybe maybe they report to somebody higher. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
Yeah, we're getting close to eleven, and I don't know.
If you can go later or you need.

Speaker 4 (01:41:57):
To, I'm good, Carl. If you want to stay on
for a bit, that's fine. Yeah, I'm fine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
We've covered a little bit of everything tonight, from Star
Trek to consciousness to aliens. You're also a sci fi novelist.
You want to tell the listeners about some of your books.

Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
Well, to be honest, Carl, I've only had one book
that I actually self published, but through the work that
I've been doing with screenplays. Though actually I do have another.
I do have another novel that I wrote in twenty
four It's called Draconas, and I never published it. It
stayed in the drawer actually became a screenplay. And Draconas

(01:42:42):
is a really simple story. It was written. The era
that it takes place in is as you talked about earlier,
like what happened three hundred thousand years ago? What was
going on before that? All right, so let's just make
up something. So I was in my office one day
and I just kind of decided to take a lunch break.

(01:43:02):
When in the kitchen, I'm thinking to myself, what if
there's this Draconian rulers that are running Earth. This is
before the Ananachi get here, right, Maybe there wasn't the
Maybe they weren't the first to convert hs to humans, right,
So these Draconians are basically ruling over a human species

(01:43:25):
that's basically living underground on Earth, and this young lieutenant
and the Draconian Army has a change of heart and
wants to help the humans. So Draconis is about that.
It's it's geared for young audience, and it shows how
these species learn to live together. At the end of

(01:43:46):
the series, so you giant dragons and.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
Well everybody needs to read that so we can learn
how to live together.

Speaker 4 (01:43:58):
Yeah, well it's it's scientific and it's really more for
just a kind of a big story kind of You
got the coming together of the Earth, the earth people
and the Drayconians who that in the story. They look
like humans. They are not the lizard people that a
lot of folks associate with Draco that these were. I think, yeah,

(01:44:22):
they weren't the reptilian version or that maybe someone like
the Cylons. You had the Cylon robots that with the
glowing eyeball, and then you had the silent the Top
five Models or whatever it was that looked like humans.
Another great show, by the way, was Battlestar Galactica. Loved

(01:44:44):
that show. It's one of the best TV shows ever
that they they did a lot of different things with
camera angles and with the way they portrayed space battle.
It was one of the first times you saw space
battles going on when you didn't hear anything. There's no

(01:45:07):
sound at best. They had those tycho drums going, but
but you didn't hear the PPW PW like you do
with Star Wars.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
Yeah, are the explosions in space?

Speaker 4 (01:45:17):
Yeah, it gave a different feeling, like, Wow, this could
almost be real Star Trek. To me, the space noises
was a kind of a disappointment Star Wars continuing space
noises in the dead of space. And I just to mean,
I was never a Star Wars fan. I like watching

(01:45:38):
when it's around, but it's not something I'm gonna what
did somebody described They said Wars Star Wars is everybody's
using technology, nobody knows where it comes from, nobody has
any idea who made it or where it came from.
And everybody looks like they're a refugee of some kind
in Star Wars, whereas in Star Trek you have this

(01:46:01):
utopia society where everybody's got a spot.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
Well, Star Wars people work together and that's the ideal situation.
And I wish it was like that now.

Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
In Star Wars, no in Star Trek. In Star Trek, yeah,
we can have it if we want it. Yeah, well
we could, we just don't want it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
Well I do, but you know, well.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
Yeah, you and I do. You know, those of us
are paying attention. We would love to have that lifestyle.
And I and I believe, like I've always said, is
that the technology we have, the technology, we're just not
making it public. So this is the sad facts of
where we're at right now.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Well, blame that on the military industrial complex.

Speaker 4 (01:46:54):
And absolutely absolutely it's been hijacked from us. And see that,
like I say, that anger we all have about it
that we've been robbed of that we could have been
exploring the stars. We didn't need rockets using eleven hundred
year old Chinese technology is basically with electronics that you

(01:47:15):
could get from a drone to direct these these rockets.
So for me that I'm not impressed at all by
rockets when you know that these folks have a TR
three V, when you know these folks have this technology
that they're keeping away from us, and think about it.
Folks that have been have already been gone, have gone

(01:47:38):
away to other galaxies and spawned colonies. The stories we
don't even know, stories that may have been going on
for the past fifty to sixty years of folks on
other planets that we don't know about.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
Think about that, Yeah, and everything here is if they
have the technology, all they're thinking about is how the
rate way for with it, or how to make money
off of.

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
It exactly, or extract it and use it for whatever
nefarious purposes they're using on these other planets. You hear
all kinds of stories, and again we have no evidence,
but it would not shock me to find this out,
So I would not be surprised in the least. I mean,
that would be the actual details. You know, they hear
about some of these posed Project Serpo where they took

(01:48:25):
some folks to another planet but it wasn't quite right.
But I don't know. I think that there's enough evidence
now just for our own science community about possibilities of
habitable planets out there just within our own eyesight through telescopes.
Think about it. If these folks could be coming from
anywhere in those gad jillions of galaxies that are out there,

(01:48:47):
within those galaxies our solar systems, and just it's infinite.
So for me, the possibilities are endless, and I think
it's all I think we've been. We've been sheltered away
from what could have been a much brighter future, a
much brighter present than what we're living.

Speaker 1 (01:49:12):
Yeah, and religion plays a part of that. These people
don't those people and won't even go there. It's a
deep subject.

Speaker 4 (01:49:22):
Well, I think it's because of the erosion of the
public education system in the US, the erosion over decades,
the constant chipping away of budgets, the reduction of credibility
towards education, the the the and any intellectual sentiment that

(01:49:44):
makes learning look like the disparage is learning, that makes
it seem like a waste of time, kind of a
downplaying of the education, massive illiteracy. As you've watched generations
succeeding from the sixties go downhill in literacy compared to

(01:50:05):
the previous generations before them. So we've seen this erosion
of a loss of critical thinking. Folks don't know how
to do critical thinking. They don't know how to balance
two different ideas without going at each other's throats, cannot
do dispassionate logical discussions without losing their minds. So we've

(01:50:26):
turned into a planet of troglodites. You know, the stupids are.

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
Winning, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:50:36):
It's really you know, it's disappointing. I had really hoped.
I was waiting for those flying cars as old as
I am now, was waiting for those flying cars. Wait
for that Jetson's lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
Me and you both? Where is that?

Speaker 4 (01:50:49):
I know what happened to those flying cars? Man? You know,
I'll miss it, but I think it's coming. You're looking now.
I'm seeing some stuff now that folks are starting to
kind of break the rules on some of these human
or human sized drone vehicles that have little jets on
them instead of props. I thought that was pretty cool.

(01:51:12):
So maybe that technology is what we're going to see first.
But I can see any gravity pods, you know, if
they did the t R three V, imagine if you
made a scalable version of it for a vehicle, for
a family vehicle, even lightening the load of a freight
train or a truck with some any gravity assist the

(01:51:36):
lightnings load on the road.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
Yeah, so it's not generating as much friction and resistance. Yeah,
it could costs less than transporting.

Speaker 4 (01:51:46):
You make it really light. Now it's as light as
a feather, and it won't take much at all to
just goose it across the planet. You know. That's the thing.
A lot of people don't realize what's coming, and when
they finally see it, they're going, oh, that's why that
that tic tac was able to do what it did.
It wasn't even in our dimension. It was just blowing

(01:52:07):
right through everything like it was nothing. Yeah, and there's
no subj Eff, So there's nothing. Yeah, there's nothing. They're
just in their own gravity bubble. Yeah. Very fascinating. I
think that's what's coming. I think we have to kind
of it's gonna it's gonna blow people's minds. But should
the should the ignorant stop the rest of us from
seeing the truth. No, I think we need to go forward.

(01:52:30):
We need to release the truth and begin to absorb
what it means in a logical way, in a scientific way,
and in a spiritual way. Need to be open. I
think I think some good things are coming. As crazy
as it is right now, I think the reveals that
are coming, I think are going to be distracting enough

(01:52:53):
to foster a whole new outlook. Imagine if these folks
showed up and decided to just shut up. We've shut
off all your new clear weapons. You guys, go a
bunch of business. We just shut off your nuclear weapons.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
I'm all for it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:07):
Would that'd be great? Think about that, well, that would
be a giant sigh of relief. Giant sigh of relief.
We've shut down all your drones. None of your drones
will fly from nobody. Nobody's drones gets to fly, nobody's
planes will fly. Everybody settle down, Everybody in your corners.
They didn't use any ray beams, they didn't use any

(01:53:29):
massive space destruction. Just shut off our communications, just shut
off our drones. Just shut off your airplanes. Everybody settled down.
You guys can settle down. We'll let you have your
stuff back, but we'll let you have your NW clear
weapons back. We'll let you have your airplanes Backbody just
settle down. That is the kind of power that would

(01:53:49):
I think would change things.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
Well, that would finally make people step back and say, hey,
what we're doing wasn't working.

Speaker 4 (01:53:57):
So yeah, how's it working on us. That's like that
movie from nineteen fifty one, The Day the earthsten still
very very good movie. The two thousand and nine or
eight version I don't didn't like, but the nineteen fifty
one version was one of the best movies if you're
ever curious about an old sci fi movie that's worth watching,

(01:54:18):
Dave the Earthsten Still is a great movie.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
Oh yeah, I loved it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:23):
Yeah, and you know, there is a moral point in
that movie that's going on, but it's it's very well,
it's very well done. You had I think Frankly Wright
was involved in some of the set design. There was
some unusual things that were done in that movie that
were the backstory. There's some video about the backstory behind

(01:54:48):
that movie that's fascinating to learn about how they built
the ship, how they used some putty to create the
seamless opening and clothes of the craft. It's a very
interesting backstory about that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
Yeah, I'm running low on steam. Of course, I told
you earlier. I had very little sleep today. All right, Carl,
and I want to have you back in the future
if you don't mind, And of.

Speaker 4 (01:55:17):
Course no, that's great. Yeah, yeah, absolutely had a fun
time and fun times.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
From time to time. If there's a situation where I
can't do a show, I'd like to bring you in
and let you host it.

Speaker 4 (01:55:30):
Well, that's great, Carl, have you want to fun I
really appreciate that, hopefully. Yeah, a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
We discussed a lot of time. Have you already cut
off the no, no nolling or no, I've got.

Speaker 4 (01:55:47):
A still rolling. Okay, cameras are still rolling, all right,
everybody back in here, everybody, everybody wake up.

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
Oh yeah, I've got a closing monologue. I need to run.

Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
But well, thanks again, Carl. I really appreciate you having
me on. And it's been fun. I love to ramble.
And if anybody's curious, I think he gave some contact
info there and get a hold of me. They get
get a hold of me through you. That's fine either way.

Speaker 1 (01:56:13):
You can give your contact info and I can give
the MAJORGA site. Just go to m A y O
r G A dot p.

Speaker 4 (01:56:20):
R O and correct, it's got some contact information there
may orga duct pro and uh you can learn about
the story. Uh. It goes all the way from ancient
aliens into the future of mankind colonizing other planets. So
uh and some good character, a good character has developed

(01:56:41):
that I think is going to be captivating.

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
So well, I look forward to it and uh learn
more about John Foster.

Speaker 4 (01:56:50):
Thank you, Carl, appreciate it again, my friend, and looking
forward to some more time like this. So thanks again.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
All right, thank you, sir, you.

Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
Too. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:57:04):
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Speaker 1 (01:57:16):
Well, my friends, we've reached the end of another fascinating
journey into the unknown Tonight. I want to thank our
guest Tom Morgan for joining us and sharing his thoughts
on UFO disclosure, consciousness, the mysteries that continue to challenge
our understanding of reality in his upcoming film Majorga. These

(01:57:38):
are subjects that don't always come with easy answers, but
as we've explored tonight, sometimes the value isn't found in
having all the answers. It's found in having the courage
to ask the questions. Whether the future brings great disclosure.
Deep insights into consciousness are revelations that completely change how

(01:58:00):
we see ourselves in our place in the universe. One
thing remains certain, humanity search for the truth continues. As always.
I encourage you to keep an open mind, but not
so open that your brains fall out. Be curious, ask questions,
examine the evidence, and never stop exploring the mysteries that

(01:58:23):
exist just beyond the edges of what we think we know.
And before we sign off tonight, I want to tell
you about next week's guest. Joining us will be UFO researcher, author, lecturer,
and broadcaster Grant Cameron. For more than four decades, Grant
has investigated some of the most important UFO cases in

(01:58:45):
North America and has become one of the leading voices
examining the connection between UFOs, government secrecy, presidential involvement, and
human consciousness. His research into what US presidents may have
known about the UFO phenomenon has made him one of
the most respected and recognized figures in the field. Our

(01:59:08):
topic next week will be presidential UFOs. We'll explore reports
involving presidents from Dort B. Eisenhower to Jimmy Carter, discussing
government secrecy, allege briefings behind closed doors, the evolution of
disclosure efforts, and the role of the highest levels of

(01:59:28):
government may have played in shaping the public's understanding or
misunderstanding of the UFO mystery. If you ever wondered what
presidents may have known, what they've been told, and whether
some of the biggest secrets in histories have been hidden
in plain sight. That's a conversation you won't want to
miss until next Saturday Night. Stay curious, keep looking up,

(01:59:54):
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