Hidden Secrets of the Vatican Archives with Walter Bosley

René and Walter talk about the dark secrets of the Vatican Archives and the truth about Antartica.

Episode Transcript

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Night Vision Vision. Following clues leftby our ancestors, we unbury the past
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interaction on our planet. Here tobring light to the night. Your host
for night Vision Radio Renee Barnett.Hey, everybody, welcome to night Vision

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again. This is your first time. I hope it won't be your last.
Got a great show planned for youtonight, But I first have to
warn you there is a pox uponmy hand house and we're all coming down
with some kind of weird barking fluwhere you've got this dry cough that literally
sounds like a dog barking. Soif you hear dogs barking tonight, it

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won't be the usual. It won'tbe my puppies. It'll probably be me.
But I'm going to try to spareyou and my guest as much as
I can. Now. Tonight we'regoing to delve into some dark secrets,
secrets of the Vatican archives. Someof the things that they hold there,
including ancient texts and other things,but more over, cultural items of importance

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to different groups, including many manyNative American tribes. Why in the world
is the Vatican holding on to ceremonialitems that belong to iron Native Americans.
I'd really really like to know what'sin it for them to hold on to

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that stuff even allow the tribal representativesto view them, much less even speak
about returning them to the tribes.So who do I need? I need
a spy, I need a formerAfosi. I need Walter Bosley. Hey,
Walter, how are you doing good? It's Friday, and you know

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it is summertime officially, so yeah, it feels great. We're here in
southern California and we've got some realnice weather going on, at least for
the moment. Hopefully no extreme heatwaves on the way, but right now
we're enjoying it. But you know, I mean, the Holy Roman Church,

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you know, hopefully not to upsetanyone or challenge anybody's faith, has
a terrible, dark history. They'vegot a history of you knowing their non
believers or their adversaries, the socalled heretics, and just mowing down villages

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and towns. You know, Ithink it was Pope Leo who famously advised
the soldiers, you know, whenthey ask, you know, how will
we know who the heretics are?And he says, kill them all.
God will know his own. Sothey would just mow through these towns and
villages. I know of a couplein France that I've actually been to that

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were completely just destroyed. But whatwe're talking about tonight is the confiscation of
items that obviously don't belong to them. Especially I'm thinking of, you know,
some of our ceremonial items that belongto Native American tribes. Why do

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you think they would hold onto thosethings? Primarily, in my opinion,
there are two reasons. Number One, when they came to the Americas and
they got their hands on these things, you know, their first goal was
to suppress so that they could forceRoman Catholic Christianity on the locals, on

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the native cultures here. Secondly,I think there are very fascinating and vital
pieces of information and history which arekept secret about human history on Earth that
they just don't want out, youknow, to the masses. And you

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know, take your pick. Eitherone of these is a heinous reason for
holding onto these things, not returningthem to the nations from which they took
them. And it's just more ofyou know, more of the same from
the Vatican. It seems like it'sbeen going on. I mean, one
particular instance that I know about personally, and some of you guys may remember

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my friend Lisa LaRue Baker, whowas from the Katua Band of Cherokee Indians.
She was the cultural and historical director, and I know I remember when
she wrote to the Vatican petitioned theVatican as an official of the tribe,

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we're not asking you to return them, just please let me come and look
at them. And they were justignored. And that's the usual response.
They don't usually right back and sayno, they just ignore you, right.
And the walcam belts which they haveof the Katua Band and also many

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other tribes are the ceremonial belts whichare be and but you're right, they
do contain information. They are beatedin such a way that they tell a
story. Now, I know,there's some big questions about the origin stories
of the Cherokees, and in someof these old old legends that are passed

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down by the elders right, youknow, and has been actually addressed.
You can look it up on youcan Google it and find where people have
looked into the fact that you knowthat the Cherokees might be the lost tribe
of Israel, and their origin storycomes with this big giant spider, a

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female spider crossing the water and she'scarrying on her back the sacred fires,
and so the to A band areknown as the original people and the keepers
of the fires, and so theyhave these I think there are three of

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them, these fires that they neverallow to go out in certain places,
their ceremonial fires, and they treatthem, they treat them with sage and
different things to keep them. Theymay not always be flaming, but there's
always embers. They never go completelyout, and that's what they build their

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symbolizing was that giant spider coming acrosswith the fires that they then had the
responsibility for keeping going. Yeah,so I wonder if any of that could
have any validity as in terms of, you know, the origins of some
of these peoples. You know,I'm a great believer in the nugget of

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truth idea. You know, you'vegot to look at these things and look
closely and analyze them and do thework, you know, like your own
research, to get to the whateverthat nugget of truth is. Now,
I'm certainly a diffusionist, which meansI think cultures, human cultures, and
civilizations have been traveling all over thisplanet. You know, I subscribe to

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the idea that oceans are highways,not barriers. And you know, a
civilization becomes arrogant when it thinks nothingcame before it as advanced as itself or
as great and glorious as itself.So you know, when we hear these

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stories that, Okay, this groupmight be a lost tribe of that group,
I think, you know, that'scertainly worth considering, because yeah,
people were sailing all over the world, you know, way back farther than
academia and mainstream science and history wantus to believe. And you know,
the idea of what people want usto believe, you know, is what

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leads organizations like the Vatican and theRoman Catholic Church to do the things they
do where they you know, theywant to decide what we know, they
want to decide what the narrative is. And you know, I see that
a great problem behind this is that, and I'm not sure. I'm not

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an expert on this, and perhapsI should be more of one before I
comment. But to my knowledge,and I've looked at this stuff for a
while and observe like most people do, to my knowledge, what you would
call the Yaoistic monotheisms, okay,that is the religions of you know,
the God of Abraham, the Israel, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

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They all seem admittedly Judaism let itgo a long time ago. Christianity and
Islam have a serious addiction problem.And that addiction problem is to this arrogant
idea of converting people, of buildingout into the world, in converting people
to your religion and saving the worldwith your religious faith. And as we

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know, I don't have to belabor it. So much violence and and
you know, dominance in different wayshas been foisted upon humanity just through you
know, Christianity and Islam alone.You know, don't get me wrong.
I grew up in you know,the United States, Western civilization. I

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grew up in you know, aChristian context. I walked away from what
I what I've learned is called Churchianity. And that's the problem is Churchianity.
Churchianity and christian true Christianity me aretwo different things. And it's this it's
this Churchianity perspective that in this casewe're talking about the Vatican, we're talking

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about Roman Catholicism, that you know, they have infamously operated under to one
extreme of the other to basically spreadtheir particular corporate philosophy, their particular power,
their particular control. And I thinkit's an arrogance that they hold on

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to these items. Why not haveyou know, today there are these artisans
and craftsmen who can replicate amazingly.In fact, many museums, when you
go to the museum and you're lookingat an ancient relic or something, you're
actually looking at a replica. You'renot looking at a real thing because they
want to protect the real thing.And I think that's fantastic. Why doesn't

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the Vatican return all these things theystole from other parts of the world and
just maintain replicas if it's really justyou know, to be a library and
a museum, you know kind ofthing. Do that? No, they
it's mine. They are really trulyan organization, a corporation of narcissists.

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Yeah, absolutely, it's just andcan you imagine, you know, how
much all that stuff is worth,not to mention the gilded cathedrals and everything
with dripping in gold, right,I mean, what is the you know,

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the purpose of the church. Isn'tit to help people? Isn't it
to take care of the poor inthe city? You know. I once
had an assignment in Rome and Ihad to be there for thirty days,
about thirty days four weeks. Andthe person I was working with at the
time, she wanted to go tothe Vatican. We had a day off,

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so she wanted to go to theyou know, go do the tour
and everything. So I went downto you know, Vatican City or whatever
with her where the big famous,you know plaza is, and I said,
okay, I'll be uh, I'llbe out here at one of the
cafes when you're done, just youknow, give me a call on the
cell phone. And she was shocked. She goes, you don't want to
go in and I said, Ihave no interest in going in there,

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and like, oh my god,the Sistine Chapel, this, that and
the other. I'm like it,truly, I do not feel like I
missed a thing by not going inthe Vatican, and I feel the same
way you do. All that opulence, all that opulence. Don't tell me
it's for the glory of God orthe glory of Christ. Anybody who still

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believes that, I'm sorry for you. Yeah, but this idea, like
you said of Churchynity, you know, if they are trying to recruit and
evangelize, they're going about it andutterly the wrong way because they're turning people

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off in droves from organized religion atleast. And they're not the only ones
who do it, you know.American Protestant evangelistic fundamentalism, oh my god,
they I know. They are aproduct of the colonial Puritans. After
the Puritans pissed off everybody in Englandand Europe said oh no, no,

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don't come here. They came tothe colonies right in the seventeenth century and
they started their brand of fanatical insanitythere and the America are present American Protestant
fundamentalist Evangelical Christianity, Churchianity. There'sa product of the Puritan influence. We

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could have done really well without themhere. Yeah, it really is.
We do have these, you knowas a nation. Yes, all of
these Puritanical standards and ideals, andit's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Yeah,
you're right, that's what got usin trouble in the first place. You
got us booted out of England.Well, well, the Puritans were told,

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you know, no get out inEurope didn't want them. So they
come over here and they murdered abunch of women because they thought they were
you know, putting on them.Yeah, women always get called witches.
Unfortunately. Well you know there's somemen that when you know, they they

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because they can't control the women,suddenly they have to demonize the women,
you know, rather than just saying, hey, why should I want to
control another human being? You know. Yeah, Yeah, although I do
have a grandfather that was exiled fromScotland. It was the the Earl of

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luss He got exiled for being awitch and a necromancer. He's my most
interesting, right exactly. That wasn'tall he also it was also for incest.

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But but the incest part was notblood incest. It was he ran
off with his younger sister in lawand they called that incest. They called
that incest and went off to Italy. Yeah, his name was John Calhoun.
Well, they were probably welcome inItaly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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His nickname was the Black Cawk ofthe West. You can look him
up. Oh that's great, Ilove it. He kind of looks like
my dad actually, but interestingly yeah, yeah, uh but yeah, it's
it's it's really not nice to haveany group trying to control everyone else.

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And that's what I see religion throughouthistory has done. Organized really yeah,
it unfortunately has a tendency to gothat way. Yeah, particularly the Monotheisms,
you know, the idea that thereis only you know, one God.

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And I mean we could we couldtalk all night, you know,
we could talk for three hours onthe problems with religion. And I mean
religion in the small are just theconcept of right, and it doesn't matter
which particular faith, but the Monotheismstend to be the biggest problems. And
uh and the big leader of historicallybeing a problem in Christian Churchianity has in

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the Roman Catholic Church, more particularlythe Vatican, because as you know,
there's millions of Catholic people around theworld that are they're wonderful, they're they're
not these evil psychos wanting to controlpeople or necessarily go out there and convert
everybody. They're good folks. It'sthe leadership, you know, the priesthood

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in the Vatican problem. And youknow they came over here. You remember,
the Jesuits got thrown out of theAmericas for this very thing within their
own church, I mean other orders. And finally the Vatican had to had
to banish, had to withdraw allthe Jesuits. This was in the eighteenth

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century when they were poised to kickoff here in California. The missions.
They were started to build the missions, our Spanish mission trail that everybody,
you know, a lot of peoplewere familiar with, and they were just
poised to come up into what's calledAlta, California and establish these missions.
When they got recalled because they weretrying to control politically, economically, everything

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and everybody, even within the Churchitself, within the other orders. So
they got yanked back to Rome.But in my opinion, they were still
calling the shots, whether it wasthe Dominicans you know, running the missions
or not. I still think theywere under control of Vatican, you know,

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leadership and orders. But you knowthey come over here and they participate
in atrocities, whether their version tellsyou that or not. And they steal
all this stuff to greatly to suppressthe very valuable historical information that's within right
right. You know, another thingthat they're purportedly protecting at the Vatican as

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the prophecies of Batam up you're supposedto be you know, the final prophecy
is supposed to be something really earthshattering. Do you have any thoughts on
that at all? Well, youknow, one thing that comes to mind,
you know, when you look atit, is was it truly earth

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shattering to all of us? Orwas it just earth shattering for that church?
Yeah? And the end of theYeah, that's and that's my understanding
is it has something to do withthe end of that damn church. Yeah,
the last pope, and they're like, oh my gosh, we can't
have that out there. Yeah,and and uh so, yeah, of

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course it's going to get suppressed.Of course, when it was supposed to
be revealed, it's not going tobe because in true, in true religious
priesthood fashion going back thousands of years, the priesthood always knows better than you
do, you know, the priesthoodin any religion. You know, these

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days we're dealing with it with Churchianityhere, you know, mostly in the
West. It's the biggest trust mebro grift going on in human history.
We're the priesthood. We're closer toGod, or in some cases in ancient
times, we communicate directly with theGod. Right, you need us to

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even communicate with God. Yeah,you need us to communicate, You need
us to understand. I mean,think about it, confession, confession.
If I understand the Bible correctly,you're supposed to pray in private, and
you don't. Nowhere in there doesit say you need a confessor. But
the Roman Catholic Church has convinced millionsof people and continue to do so that
they need to, you know,confess. So the whole thing about confession,

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in my opinion, it was justso the local priests could know everybody's
dirty laundry, better to control them. That makes the most sense actually.
But you know, I've often thoughtabout, you know, the big loss
or losses that must have been seenat the from the buyers at the Library

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of Alexandria, And I mean justcommon sense tells me that some things were
saved, some things were retrieved andsaved. So I'm wondering if that might
be part of the secret text stashat the Vatican Archives. If any of

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that might have come out of theLibrary at Alexandria, I would think so,
because when I was one of mybooks, I really actually a couple
of my books, I had tojump into that topic and what I found
was something you don't really hear aboutthat much, but it was this.
There was the the oh gosh,it was the equivalent of our national archives

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in Constantinople, right and also inoh my gosh, somewhere farther east,
there were two other great repositories,just like the Library of Alexandria, and
they had just about everything the otherone had. So the idea that we

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lost everything that was in the Libraryof Alexandria actually is not accurate because these
other archives had copies or originals,and Alexandria had copies, but they had
much of the same information. Andwhat's interesting is the Fourth Crusade, Okay,
that was supposed to be back tothe Holy Land, you know,

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the Middle East and all that.Gee, they stopped in Constantinople and sacked
you know, the Eastern Orthodox capthere. And after that funny thing,
the Renaissance started happening in Western Europe. After the Fourth Crusade, and then

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of course with the Renaissance, thencame the age of exploration in the opening
up of the Americas. And theidea is that the orders, that the
Nightly Orders and the militaries that participatedin that Fourth Crusade sacked the Archive and
God old the poor Knights of Christ. The templars. Oh, here's the

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thing. Here's the thing. Thetemplars did not directly participate in the sacking
of the city. They helped facilitatesome of the resources, okay, in
the materials, and mostly they helpedbroker an agreement between the Venetians okay,

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the bankers of Venice with the andthe Venetians basically lied to the Egyptians through
the templars and the templars. Whenthey figured this out, they wanted no
part of the actual assault on Constantinople. It's interesting. It was kind of

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like they they backed out of thethe oh gosh, the the genocide of
the in the Albigensian crusade. Ifyou recall when when the Pope and the
king that you quoted before said killthem all the templars. These were people
they were doing business with. Thesewere people who shared some esoteric beliefs with

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the Templars when it got down toit, and they didn't want any part
of this genocide. Now, I'mone of those that I agree with the
argument that that definitely got the Templarsmarked for persecution, the fact that they
would not participate in the Albagencian sothey didn't actively participate in the sacking of
Constantinople. But I do think theygot the best. You know, we

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found, uh, we found evidencethat there were there was a lot of
sympathies from the Templars towards the socalled heretics, the Catholars. Yeah,
yeah, they they There's a littletown, a little village called Queice p

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U I s s E. Ibelieve in France, and there is uh
a Cathur the old cath Our headquartersin the old Templar receptory, right next
to each other, and there's alot of history there. But anyway,
yeah, I don't think everyone hadthe same idea about the so called heretics.

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You know. Well, you know, it's again not to sound like
a broken record. Unlest anyone thinkthat I'm not like an anti Christian guy,
don't get me started on the horrorsand sins and crimes of the Islamic
fanatics. Okay, I was incounter terrorism for a number of years.
Okay, I spent a lot oftime in that part of the world.

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I've studied that Foe and their fanaticsare in marble. Wow. Yeah,
exactly. And that's the problem isChristianity and Islam need to get their fanatics
under control and need to stop thisconversion thing. But you know, Alexandria
was sacked more than once once byyou know, we know, by Christian

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fanatics, other times by Muslim fanatics. Now these under repositories that you're talking
about in Constantinople and maybe another one. Yeah, where are those things?
Now? Well, that's just it. Who got them? I say,
yes, the Vatican To answer yourquestion, I went around the barn to
answer your question. Yeah, Ithink there's a lot of stuff in the

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Vatican archive we don't get to seethat is from Alexandria and from that archive
in Constantinople. We'll see what yousay. Oh my gosh, it's just
it seems like such a crime tohide information in history that people would love

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to see and know about it.Just it really seems criminal to me.
Well, if think about it.It's a reflection of how these organizations treat
you know, theology and philosophy.What happens is if you know too much
about yourself and your own history,then you don't need them anymore. In

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fact, I would venture to say, the more you know, the more
you will reject them. And they'vehad power and wealth for far too long
to let that go so easily.Yeah, I mean, there seems to
be And now I don't want toget to woo woo with you, but
it seems to me like there issome sort of of a movement, sort

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of away from that type of thinkingthat you know, dogma, toward a
more spiritual way of viewing things anda more personal experience rather than through or
by a you know, some holierperson than you that can get you know,

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can be the mouthpiece for you.It seems like there's something in the
air. But maybe that's just me, and maybe that's just wishful thinking.
I think what you're talking about isit feels like there's that thing in the
air because we happen to be,in this point in our history, a
much more open society than usually happens. People don't realize in the Free West.

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What a little blip in the greaterhistory. This is okay. History
has been full of tyranny, okay, and control and having no speech and
stuff. So people are more ableto talk about these things. And of
course, what's the reaction of yourcorporate you know, religious organizations. They

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demonize it. But that's how allreligions do. When a religion is new
and it's building power, it hasto demonize all the other guys, you
know. And the same thing's goingto I got news for people. The
same thing is going to happen towhat we know is Christianity that I call
Churchianity, and Islam and Judaism andall of it. There's going to be

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something else that comes along that itis going to demonize because it knows it's
being replaced, and a thing that'sreplacing it is going to demonize it.
And and this is just the wayit is. And all these things you're
talking about, the spiritual you know, the more direct spirituality and stuff.
It of course has been demonized fora long time by the churches because they're

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scared to death, you know,to lose the butts in the seats and
you know, the money in thecollection dish. Yeah, that's the that's
the real thing. If you godirectly to God or the gods or what
have you, you don't need themand they're too narcissistic. Your money,

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yeah, well money, I dothink to get woo woo with you.
I I am somebody who believes inthe metaphysical and the you know these things.
And I do think human beings havethis thing that we happen to call
a soul, and they do wantcontrol of that. There's something that they

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get out of, you know,the energy they get out of controlling that.
And and there are I think thereare beings out there that are are
wanting, definitely wanting our souls.This is remember I said the nugget of
truth idea. You know, whenyou hear stories about demons wanting to steal

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your soul in possession. I dothink that that's a real thing, that
there's a nugget of truth to that. And one does have to be very
careful when one is on their ownindividually driven spiritual path, because there are
scary things out there that are justlying in wait to get you. You
know, there's a lot of peoplewho they I've heard I remember some years

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back people say, well, Ibelieve in angels, but I don't believe
in demons. Isn't that quaint?How cute? Because you know there are
both. I do believe that thereis a battle going on a good and
evil, yeah, and that thereis an evil that is you know,

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almost tangible, that is out thereand we do have to be on guard
for it. And yes, Ithink it comes to us in insidious ways
that maybe trick us in that sortof thing too sure, and they're you
know, they're they're looking to foolwith us, and you know, you

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just have to be careful with allthe stuff. And that means also including
the human agency telling you, youknow, hey, trust me, bro,
I know what this god thing isabout. Yeah. Yeah, I
mean when somebody tells me they've gotall the answers, that's when I turn
to now, because you know,I don't believe any of us have all

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the answers. And that's a surefireway to lose my attention really fast,
because nah, you don't. Butanyhow, you know, we were talking
about secrets of the Vatican and thesecrets you know that could affect different cultures
and things that you know, Iwas going to say appear to be,

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but you know they don't appear tobe. They were downright stolen and confiscated.
So there's nothing you know, thatcould be adjudged as correct and write
about that. If any other organizationor individuals had done that, there would
be mass consequences for that. Thatwould be a crime, right you know,

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And the holding of that stuff,to me is a continuing crime.
But we may or may not everget all the answers on what it is
that they have. I would loveto see a lot of that stuff returned
to the rightful people that should havethem, because it means so much to
them. When the day comes thatthat organistation falls from its own self self

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glorified grace and the places you knowthey're not able to keep outsiders out,
then we will definitely then, Ithink, finally know what's in there,
and I think it'll anger a lotof people even more than there now.
So another place of secrets that youknow I've spoken about before, not a

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huge detail, but I know thisis one of your areas of expertise and
is the continent of Antarctica. Thethings that we hear, you know,
are so crazy and outlandish, butyet some of it does seem to have

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some sort of weight of truth.So is there anything you can do to
sort of clear up some of thisdarbazzio that we've been right? Yeah,
well, you know, admittedly Ihaven't been down there yet. I know
a couple of people who have.Brad Olsen is one of them. And
you know, for the most part, you don't get to go into the

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heart of Antarctica. So when youdo, a lot of the people that
go to Antarctica they only see onelittle part of the edge of it.
So it is the land of mystery. I do think that there. I'll
start out by saying, I dothink that there are ruins of past civilization
under the ice. I do thinkthat stuff is. It doesn't sound crazy,

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that's not crazy. Now here's thething. The recent story in the
last I want to say, fiveto ten years, my gosh, over
over ten years now they've been talkingabout, Oh, this group of scientists
they went underground and they saw somethingthat scared them so badly that they were

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catatonic. And and you know,an alleged navy seal you know, tells
Linda Moulton how this and that,you know, it just scared the hell
out of these scientists, and theywere quiet, and there's this this was
found, and that was found.Well, here's what's interesting. In the

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mid nineteen nineties, I was toldessentially the same thing by the man who
was my mentor in my career atthe time he told me this. I
was already an active duty Air Forceofficer OSI agent and he told me essentially
the same story. But he toldme that it happened around nineteen sixty,

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okay, six zero nineteen sixty,so it had happened over thirty years prior.
So you have these people now claimingto be Special Forces operatives telling luminaries
in the UFO community this same thing, but as if it just happened.
So that's why I have a problem. It seems to me like that particular

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narrative that people love to hear andis so popular the last decade. That
sounds to me like a narrative thatis used in the intelligence world. We
have something called inking the waters.Okay, And what you'll do is if
you want to test a source tosee if they'll keep their mouths shut when
you tell them to and when youtell them something, you say, now,

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don't tell anybody this you tell themsomething that's not true, and then
if they run their mouth and thenyou hear that it's out there, then
you'll know exactly my guy talked.And I think that that was one of
those inking the water narratives that theywould tell people to test their you know,

(38:51):
if they could trust them. Now. I was told in the nineties,
and I was told not to sayanything about it, and I never
did until this started being talking about, you know in our community about ago.
What is it that your contact toldyou that there was this giant hole,

(39:15):
you could call it a cavern.I guess that team of scientists found
in Antarctica, and what they foundwas very large, large, huge machinery
that was also very old machinery thatwas very old and huge down there under

(39:37):
the ice in this hole in Antarctica, and that did they venture an opinion
as to what that machinery was.All that was implied to me about that
was that it's I wasn't told ifit was stuff that was brought from somewhere
else or something that had been developedby a lost human civilization, which I

(40:01):
lean towards that more. I knowa lot of people are in love with
everything's aliens everything's extraterrestrials. I certainlythink extraterrestriels exist. I think it's only
logical and rational that idea. Butyou know, I lean towards when you
get into like the Vedic histories andideas, like you know, you know,

(40:22):
the Lost rama, and you know, whatever the nugget of truth for
Atlantis or Lemuria is, whatever thenuggetive truth was, Okay, you know,
I think there is where the answerto this machinery, you know,
this ancient lost stuff. I thinkit's part of the relics in the secrets

(40:43):
that they're keeping down there. SoI do think there's something too the story
in some sense, right, thereis something there. Yeah, But for
some reason, the Intel and nationalsecurity community likes to use this narrative apparently
every so often. So I don'tknow if this is their way to ease

(41:05):
us into the reveal someday or what. That's so bizarre. Now, what
is it that is being put outthere now that is not true? Oh

(41:25):
well, that's kind of oh.Oh, I'll tell you. The idea
that there was some secret advanced Nazibase that is patently absurd. It's ridiculous.
The Nazi Germany did go down thereand explore, They did claim territory.
They did have some rudimentary ports thatthey could use, and I think

(41:49):
a submarine pen that kind of thing. But the energy and the resources that
would have been required to maintain someflying saucer base, No, that's all
fantasy. I'm look, I'm inthe camp that the Hanabu saucer, the
alleged Nazi flying saucer, it's aload of bs. Okay, it can
be that myth can be traced toposts. You don't think they were really

(42:14):
trying to build their own flying saucers. I think they were researching. I
think there's something much more something tothe alleged Nazi bell stories. I think
that they were pursuing technology with thatthat who knows, maybe down the road
could have led to propulsion system orflying saucer. But no, I don't

(42:39):
think if they if they were lookingat it, it was a thought.
Maybe it was on paper. Butthe whole thing about the Hanabu and the
Nazi flying saucers that came out ofpost war Nazi survival myth stuff. Okay,
And when you look at people say, but what about the photographs.
There's this one of it flying.Those are all doctor, those are all

(42:59):
and you can trace this to aguy named Ernst Zumbel, and then there's
the two guys in the eighties.It's that there's just no real substantiation to
that, but people like to hearabout it, you know, it's fun.
And there's people that want to insistupon their own truth, their own
worldview, and that's yeah, it'stherefore, yeah, it's you know,

(43:20):
a better story for them, youknow, more exciting to think that that's
true. But that's sort of wherewe end up with so many problems in
the field of research surrounding all thesethings, is that people sort of get
seduced into these really wild and crazystories. And unfortunately a lot of people

(43:46):
just believe something just because someone toldthem, yeah, and don't go around
and try to corroborate or debunk thosekinds of things. And we know that,
you know, tons of misinformation anddisinformation is all the time by you
know, lots of groups and folksin our own government and all that.

(44:09):
Now back to our government, youknow, a few months ago, we
had some whistleblowers go before Congress toshare information about UFOs and UAPs. Now,

(44:31):
first of all, at that particularhearing, I didn't hear anything really
firsthand firsthand knowledge. It was reports. Then secondly, you know, we
had all this buzzing and stirring amongCongress like, Oh, we're going to

(44:52):
get right on this, We're gonnayou know, And then what have we
heard since then? Zilch. Yeah, so that just an exercise in futility.
Was that it was thrown a boneto some people. Yeah, it

(45:13):
was a pacifier for the squeaky wheelers. But more importantly, the look back
in twenty seventeen, all these newbiesin ufology especially, but even some people
in ufology have been around a whilethat should know better. Yea twenty seventeen
when they thought this New York Timesarticle which has since been proven to be
a load of nonsense, and louAlessondo and Christopher Mellon and the whole TTSA

(45:37):
thing, and then one government whistleblowerafter another, what that is, folks?
From my perspective being an old counterespionage you know, double agent running
kind of guy, what I recognizedimmediately was, Oh, this is this
is a psyop that's meant to takecontrol of the ufology narrative. Okay,

(46:01):
and you know, I was oneof the I remember taking a lot of
heat from people in the community becausefrom the get go, from from the
conference at tt s A, I, you know, I told associates,
Oh, this Alizondo guy, nonsense, he's working for Uncle Sam. This
is all uh, this is allan operation. And you know, so

(46:23):
what what what we were seeing withthese hearings, okay, was just it
was then the latest step in thelet's control the UFO narrative, because what
they're trying to do is build upthe threat narrative. Okay. And why
why do military organizations and agents buildup a threat narrative Because they want the

(46:43):
people behind him when it comes timeto spend more money on the weaponry and
stuff. Now, I am amilitary officer reserve inactive, but your commissioned
for life in the US. Uh. Here's the thing. I understand military
motives and believe me for you know, you Americans listening out there and in
any any country you're in. Youwant your country to have its secret weapons

(47:07):
so that if we get into anotherworld war or conflict, you got something
to pound that enemy that they're notexpecting. That's that's unnecessary evil in this
world. You want that kind ofthing. But you know, two people
have to keep that in mind inufology that when you see military or the

(47:28):
intelligence community guys coming out and forcelike they did, folks, it's to
control a narrative. And and thesehearings was just to advance the narrative and
to get more people in eufology,the enthusiasts to believe what the government guys
are saying. And you know,that's that's my perspective on it. That's
why it was a big nothing.Grush was a big nothing. No,

(47:51):
that's what I wanted to ask you. I don't know if you if you
want to do this, but okay, you said he is a big nothing.
What do you think he was doing? Was he following orders? Was
he was he? Sincere? Yes? And yes, okay, there's I

(48:13):
ran. I was chief of theoperations unit for a while when I was
with OSAI, and we worked withassets that we had to send all over
the world. Okay. And inthe vetting process you identified, Okay,
what kind of sources this going tobe. You have fully witting sources,
they're sharp, Okay. You haveunwitting sources they don't know that you're using

(48:36):
them to get information or past messages. You know, that's the unwitting.
Then there's the useful, and youknow that's what that's what we Yeah,
that's what we say in you know, common parlance, the useful idiot.
And I think, unfortunately for Grush, he falls into that category. He
was somebody who you know, hewas getting close to retirement, and you

(49:00):
know, he was put out therein front, you know, in contact
with some eupology people, and hewas somebody that I would say, his
handlers, okay, whether he wasfully witting or not, his handlers assessed
him to be, Oh, hebelieves in this stuff, or he's really
interested in this stuff. He's aperfect guy to use, as you know,

(49:21):
another face in this and we'll beable to lead people astray and keep
him busy for at least a yearor two however long, just like Lou
Alizondo. Okay, you know hehit. The only intention of him being
around in this was to be usefulfor about two or three years and then
they would replace him with someone else. And Grush, I think, you
know, it's it's much the same. So it really is that were there.

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Oh, you're talking about the thetic tac Okay, I said this
back when at first emerged publicly,and I stand by it today, and
there are the US Navy patents toback this up. There's knowledge of what
that zone off of the coast ofCalifornia is used for and who's controlled by
the tic TAC was our technology almostnonsense? You hear about it, you

(50:13):
know, moving faster than anything wehave, and the way it maneuvers that
these were exaggerations that were coming outof excitement and hearsay. Okay, I
would say if I was having abeer with Commander Fravor, I'd say,
commander, come on, now,you know that you're you're talking bs about,

(50:35):
you know, the really pushing lettingpeople think this is otherworldly or not
ours. Here's the thing, Uh, A big even a big hot shot
squadron commander US Naval aviator is notgoing to be briefed in on everything being
developed. And when he said that, if it was ours, I would
have known it. Boy, theheight of arrogance. He knows better than

(50:57):
to say something like that. Youknow, there's all sorts of reasons why
that incident points to our technology beingtested and they say, well, they
wouldn't test it on our own peoplenonsense. Yes they would. Those planes
they were out on a training justyou know, proficiency sortie. Okay,

(51:19):
those planes were unarmed. Okay,it's not like they were demonstrating this to
an armed aircraft that could have shotdown. Okay. Now, another thing
is this was not just right offCoronado Island for the whole city of San
Diego to watch this. This wasmiles out to sea, you know.
Second of all, so you know, when you look close enough at it

(51:42):
and you give it an honest assessment, the tic TAC is our technology.
Okay, and think about it.They had that experience in two thousand and
four. This is twenty years later. Imagine what are they doing with that
technology now. But all this waspart of the what they want to do,
Renee, is they want you tolook over here, look over here,

(52:04):
when what's going on is over there, right Greg Bishop, old friend
of mine. He's always said,if you see a UFO or something weird
right in front of you, havethe presence of mind to turn around and
look behind you. Maybe there's,you know, something they don't want you
to see. That's why there's thatdistraction. Not that UFOs, there aren't
real ones, but this is andthey're using it to their advantage. Yeah.

(52:30):
Look around, just in case you'rebeing distracted from something else. How
is all Greg Bishop doing good?Doing good? He is saying we got
to get him back on here againand go out there. Yeah, I
remember him from my UFO magazine daysin his publication. So to sum it

(52:58):
up, lots of secrets everywhere.Yeah, lots of ulterior motives. The
church has their motives, obviously,the governments have their motives. Do you
see looking at the world community inthe idea of UAP and UFO, do

(53:20):
you see a government that is closerto outing the phenomenon and telling the truth
about it. No, I've saidfor several years now. I'm personally convinced.
It's just my position. I thinkdisclosure is going to come when in

(53:44):
the case of the extraterrestrials, they'rejust going to do it themselves. They're
not going to care what the UnitedStates military, the United States government,
or any government on Earth says.I In fact, I think I give
this much credit to the governments.I think the aliens are they're the ones
that are controlling disclosure. I thinkthey're the ones that have said we will

(54:06):
have contact with you, okay,you were not to tell your people that
we're here. And I think ourgovernments have gone along or are going along
with that. Now that's where theslice of these things it is et is
concerned. That's what I think agreat majority of it. I think over
ninety percent of the legitimate UFO sightingspeople have that's secret human technology. But

(54:27):
that little bit that's really extraterrestrial,I think the extraterrestrials and when they decide,
okay, we want the people ofthe world to know, they're just
going to pop right into our skies. We're here. And it's you know,
it's like the end of Apocalypto,that movie where the minds being chased
by the Aztecs or whoever, andthrough the whole movie and then they end

(54:50):
up. I don't want to spoilthe movie, but it's been out for
decades. At the end of themovie, they stop and they freeze,
and they see the Spanish ship hasarrived on or shore and they've never seen
anything like that, and they stoptheir fight between themselves to stare at this
thing, and they realize their worldand their reality in a world hurt.
Yeah, And I think that's howwe're going to get disclosure disclosure, but

(55:15):
this disclosure movement, Yeah, it'sridiculous, it's doing nothing. It is
crazy. Well, it looks likewe're at the end of our time.
I hope. I hope you've enjoyedit as much as I have. Absolutely,
I love talking about back again.There's so much we could talk about.

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