Scott M Taylor, Ed. D. – Visiting the Afterlife Without Dying

Air Date - 05 November 2025

Dr. Scott M Taylor is the president of the Expanded Awareness Institute. EAI helps people curious about near-death experiences explore what that experience means to them and to our culture as a whole. He had two Shared Death Experiences and researched Near Death Experiences as part of his doctoral research. Dr. Taylor makes the exploration of the nonphysical universe accessible to the curious, offering developed guided meditations to safely, easily, and without trauma, explore the same places NDEers visit. He is also an author and the voice of six best-selling CDs, Into the Light, which feature guided meditations on near-death experiences. He is a spiritual teacher, speaker, and active researcher on shared and near-death experiences. https://neardeathmeditations.com/

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to the Perfect Life Awakening Show, hosted by Royce Morales.
Royce has been a transformational facilitator, teaching groundbreaking spiritually based
courses for more than four decades. She is the author
of three books about her teachings. Join Royce as she
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best life and find your true purpose through discovering the

(00:31):
origins of subconscious, disempowering notions and releasing them. She talks
with experts and inspiring people just like you who learned
to trust their intuitive inner wisdom, which led to life
changing shifts. Today, her guests live in empowered existence and
are helping change the world to a higher consciousness place

(00:52):
based on truth and love. You deserve to awaken, to
align with and embody your true self and live a
life filled with love. Transform yourself from triggered to empowered
and create your perfect life. Here is your host, Royce Morales.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Hello, everyone, Welcome, and I'm so glad that you're with
us today. I was just listening to the little blurb
it was played right before this, and it said helping
to change the world to a higher consciousness place, and
my guest today is doing just that in such incredible ways,

(01:36):
ways that just have blown my mind. And I've had
him on my show before. We both didn't remember that
he was on my show before, but yes he was.
Well whatever, I forget after a minute, who's been on
my show? I've done so many of these, but you
really made an impact. I have to say, Scott, that

(01:58):
what you talked about the last time was phenomenal, and
today you've taken it even further in what you're offering people.
So let me just tell you guys a little bit
about doctor Scott Taylor. He had two incredible shared death experiences,
which he will explain, and that led him to begin
his research into near death experiences. And he did this

(02:20):
research academically, not just you know, out there in woo
wuh Land. And then he has discovered that he can
use guided meditations to help people safely, easily and without trauma,
to experience near death experiences and what life changing things

(02:44):
will happen from that, Because anybody that's had a near
death experience, their life is never the same. But to
do this in a conscious, non traumatic way is pretty phenomenal,
needless to say. And I'll have them talk more about this.
People live more fulfilled lives and because they stop having

(03:04):
fear of death. You know what a great thing that
would be for the entire world to suddenly stop being
afraid of death, not because they're reading about it or
because their religion tells them that they're going to heaven
or something, but because they've personally experienced it. So that's
a real important teacher. So doctor Taylor is a spiritual teacher, author,

(03:27):
and he created what he calls in the light guided
Meditations to near death experiences, and he, of course basically
is saying the same thing I'm saying that it's one
thing to read about it and have knowledge about it,
it's another thing to experience it. So welcome Scott. I'm
so glad you're here again.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Thank you, Royce. I've been looking forward to our conversation.
See if I can remember the last known Oh okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, now I remember that you talked about your shared
death experiences. But that's all I remember. So anyway, tell
us your story, tell us how all of this has
unfolded for you.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Would you like me to do kind of a little
synopsis of my shared death experience?

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, definitely, yeah, tell it, tell it all of all
of it.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
So this is back in nineteen eighty one and I
was in love with a woman. Her name was Mary Fran,
and Mary Fran and her son Nolan had been out
sailing on a beautiful lake Washington in southern Minnesota, and
on their way home, they were involved in this horrific
car accident and Mary Fran was killed outright and Nolan,

(04:49):
who just turned seven, sustained a mortal head wound and
it took him six days to make his transition. Luckily,
because we were in southern Minnesota, both of them got
transported to Rochester where the Mayo Health System is and

(05:11):
they received terrific care, but it was it was, you know,
the injuries were just too severe. So the whole family,
Mary Fan was one of nine and my family, there's
a whole bunch of us there, like forty to fifty
of us that were holding vigil for Nolan. And when

(05:35):
it came time on the morning of the sixth day,
the nurse on the floor came in and said, you know,
his vital signs are going down. It's going to be soon.
So we all piled into this little bitty hospital room
and as luck would have it, by the time I
got into the room. It was four or five deep

(05:56):
around the bed, and I was wound up sitting on
the window sill next to Mary Fran's youngest brother, Willie.
And when Nolan's heart monitor went flat when he when
it didn't work anymore, and he when he flatlined, what

(06:19):
I experienced was Mary Fran coming across the veil and
scooping Nolan up out of his physical body.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
And they had this exquisite reunion as you could only
imagine between a mother and son. And it surprised me
not that they had the exquisite reunion, but that I
could feel what was going on. And then Royce, what

(06:49):
surprised me even more was that the two of them
turned and came over to me, embraced me, and then
the three of us left and went to the light.
And as you've heard on this show from anybody who's
had a near death experience, it's extraordinary. The love and

(07:12):
compassion and unity and this connectedness with everything. It is
so outside of anything that I could have imagined it.
I didn't have word for it at the time, but
none of that actually really mattered, because what was important

(07:35):
was I was there with Mary Fran and Nolan in
the light, and we had a chance to affirm our
love and affection for each other. We had a chance
to say a proper goodbye because I was at work
when they were coming home in the car. And then

(07:59):
we had a chance just to be together for a while.
And then when it felt complete, Mary Fran and Nolan
turned and went further into the light, and I came
back to my physical body sitting there in the windowsill
next to Willie. So that's part a of my story.

(08:22):
Do you want to ask any questions or should I continue?

Speaker 2 (08:26):
No, that's just incredible. And so when you came back
to your body, you've fully remembered what happened. Did you
share it with any of the people there?

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Not a chance, No, it was I mean, I grew
up as a mainline Presbyterian, and this idea that you
could witness somebody coming across the veil, that you could
have conversations with them, that you could go with them
into the light, that is not part of the lexicon

(08:58):
of the Presbyterian Church. I'm just telling you so. And
it was so outside of my small town Midwest upbringing
that I didn't have words for it. I didn't have
a context for it. I didn't have anybody to talk
to about it. It just it. So I kept quiet

(09:20):
for probably fifteen years. It was a long time. It
was a long time, yeah, And you know, part of
it was I didn't have the ability to explain what
happened to me because you know, if you read anything
about research into near death experiences, usually the common element

(09:43):
number one is this great English word ineffable, which you
know means we really don't have English words to describe
that experience. We can come close sort of kind of,
but not really. And so when I tell people my story,

(10:03):
you know, it's like, this is what happened, but it's
a facsimile of what happened, because there's there's still to
this day, forty years later, I can't it's it's I'm
getting better at it, but it's it's it's really difficult. Wow.
So the second part of the story is that I'm

(10:29):
sitting there in the in the hospital room on this windowsill,
and I've just had this experience with Mary Fran and
Nolan in the light, and I've come back to my
physical body. But I also had the experience of not

(10:49):
only was I with them in the light, but I
was also in the room with the grieving friends and relatives.
And the way I like to describe this race is
that I was one hundred percent with them in the light,
and I was one hundred percent in the room with

(11:09):
the grieving relatives. It wasn't fifty to fifty like somehow
my consciousness had split to be in two places at once.
It wasn't like that. It was like I really was
in two places, and all of me was in both places.
And I know this because I'm sitting there on this
windowsill and I'm in this ecstatic state with being in

(11:36):
the light, and I realized that it was like the
light and love of the universe that is inside me
and it's trying to break out of my body and
it's showing on my face because I have this huge
grin and you know, and a beautific expression. I mean,

(11:58):
I was just so to be with them and to
be in this space of love and compassion that I
knew that if anybody looked at me in that moment,
that they would have completely misunderstood, because you know, Mary
Fran had died six days before, and Nolan had just

(12:19):
died moments before, and here I am, and I'm so
I did the only thing I could think of, which
was to you know, put my hands over my face
so that people wouldn't see. And I stayed like that
until you know that that other part of me that
was in the light came back into my body and

(12:44):
I could regain my composure, I could put my hands down,
and then I was able to join in with the
people in the room and do what grieving people do.
You know, it's hugging and crying and and it's it
was just incredibly sad.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
So I didn't have a word for it. Then I do.
Now it's called by location where I was up there
in the light with Mary Fran and Nolan and yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Froze for a second there, Can you repeat that last sentence?

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Sure, I was in the light with Mary Fran and Nolan,
and I was in the room with the with the
grieving relatives. So it yeah, so I it took me
a while before I could, you know, get my get

(13:48):
myself together, so to speak. And then I was able
to do what grieving people do, and you know, you
hug and you cry, and it was just incredibly sad. Yeah,
so that's part B of the story. There's one more.
Part okay, Okay. Partsy goes like this. I'm doing my

(14:10):
doctoral work at the University of Saint Thomas in Minnesota,
which is Minnesota's largest private university, and I'm looking for
people to interview who've had near death experiences, and I'm
having a hard time. I thought it was going to
be easy. I just go to hospices or you know,

(14:32):
places where people have had, you know, traumatic injuries. But
there's a thing called HIPPA and the hospital staff is
very nice, you know, and they go, well, we'd love
to help you out, and I'm sure it would really
help out our people, but we can't tell you that
that's medical information. Okay. So what I did in desperation

(14:53):
is I sent out letters to Mary Franz's sisters, they
had all wound up in healthcare is one form or another,
saying I would really like to do I'm doing this research,
and I wonder if you could help me connect with
somebody who might have had this experience so they could
be part of the study. And lo and behold one

(15:15):
of the sisters who chooses to remain anonymous. So I'm
going to just call her. The sister wrote me back
and said, hey, Scott, I, you know, you know, ten
years after Mary Fran and Nolan, I had a near
death experience. I'd love to tell you about it. Wow,

(15:36):
So I said, great. So we set it up. We
performed the interview. She tells me about her nd I'm
recording it and taking notes, doing all the things that
academics do. And then we get done. I shut off
the tape recorder and I'm packing up, and this thought
occurs to me, and it's this that I said to her.

(16:02):
You know what, when Nolan made his transition, something really
unusual happened to me in the hospital room. And I'm
wondering if anything unusual happened to you too. And she
looks at me and her eyes just get just like

(16:25):
biggest swassers. And I took that as a yes. So
I unpacked my stuff and I started the tape recorder
and I said, all right, tell you what, Why don't
you tell me your story first, and then I'll tell
you my story and then we'll compare notes and see. Okay, Royce,

(16:47):
this is what she told me, she said, Scott, I
remember this exactly. I was standing on the bedside opposite
of the room where you were. You were sitting on
the window sill. I was on the other side of
the bed looking at you. And when Nolan made his

(17:09):
transition to what I experienced, I meaning, I'm speaking like
the sister. She said, what I experienced was Mary friend coming,
and she crossed the veils. She scooped Nolan up out
of his physical body. The two of them had this
exquisite reunion. The two of them then turned to me,

(17:34):
embraced me, and the three of us went to the light.
And when we were in the light, we had a
chance to affirm our love and affection for each other.
We had a chance to say our goodbyes, and we
had a chance to be together for a while. And
then when it felt complete, they went further into the
light and I came back to my physical body there

(17:55):
standing next to the hospital bed. Wow. She used the
exact same words as I did to describe the experience.
It went down to the smallest detail. We had the
same experience. Now, I didn't see her, she didn't see me,

(18:16):
and that could be you know, that's a dimension thing,
a time thing. You know, that part of the non
physical world kind of confuses me at times. But we
didn't recognize her. But we had the exact same experience,
and in an instant what that meant for me was
that I had my experience validated. Yes, and I if

(18:44):
I had any doubts at all, you know, it was
because I was reading things or I heard something, papapah,
none of that. It just poof, it just disappeared, it
went away. And the reverse is true. She had she
never told anybody except for me, and she said, oh,

(19:04):
I can now be at peace with that experience. I
know that it was real and that I had this experience,
you know, with my older sister, and it was extraordinary
with both the two of them.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
So it it propelled me into this, into doing my
research and getting involved in near death experiences in a
way that I hadn't really anticipated, which was I became
and really involved with the International Association for Near Death Studies.

(19:44):
I you know, finished my doctoral degree and wrote, you know,
my dissertation on it, and then later figured out that
there's a way to help people who would like to
have this experience its and like to gain the wisdom
from it. But honesty, gosh, they really don't want to

(20:06):
go through the physical trauma having a car accident or
having a you know, a heart attack or dying in childbirth.
I mean it's like thank you, but no, Yeah, I
I wound up, Yeah, spending the rest of my life
talking about what's what's the afterlife and what what is

(20:32):
the non physical world? And you know, how is it organized?
And how do we gain wisdom from it such that
we can live life here in the physical world.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
You froze against Scott, I lost the last part of
that sentence.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
The last part is that you know, all of this
time spending researching near death experiences and learning how to
teach other people how to do it is because I
know that the wisdom that comes from the non physical
world allows us to live a better life here in

(21:19):
the physical world, filled with more peace and joy. Yeah,
or words to that effect. Whatever I said before.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
That's perfect. So how did you discover a way to
assist people in doing that? Tell us that story? That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Sure. Well. One of the after effects of near death
experiences typically is this intense curiosity. That's what just got
me because I knew, I mean I knew, I knew
that if I had been there once in the light

(21:57):
with Mary, fran and Nolan, that I could do again
if I could only figure out how to do it.
So I put myself on a quest and I didn't
know where to start nothing, you know. So I figured, well,
there's a bunch of sacred sites around the world. Maybe

(22:18):
there's some of that juju still left there at these
sites that would allow me to you know, propel me
into the afterlife. And I could go and do that again,
you know. So I went to Stonehengine, Machu Pichu, and
the Pyramids and the Oracle of Delphi. I mean, I
went to all of these places and and what happened was, oh, yeah,

(22:44):
I forgot more cathedrals than you could shake a stick dad,
you know. And I got terrific vacations out of them,
just just wonderful, and I am really blessed, Like float
down the island, go to Peru, and they were wonderful,

(23:04):
but it didn't get me where I wanted to go.
And I went to seminary to see if that would
help a grin great adventure. No, I now have even
a further a better academic understanding of the afterlife. And

(23:24):
then I had a friend recommend the Monroe Institute to me.
And the Monroe Institute was founded by Bob Monroe who
wrote this fabulous book about out of body experiences and
what he was able to discover. And so I went

(23:46):
there and the first program that you attend is called Gateway,
and they use a particular type of technology by noural
beats that allow you to enter into expanded states of awareness.
I did that and sure enough I was propelled into

(24:08):
that space again. I got to see Mary Fran and
I went back for a second course called Guidelines, and
I was able to establish a real relationship with Mary
Fran and Nolan and have the ability to you know,
communicate with those on the other side. And a year

(24:32):
later I went back and said, I love this work.
Can I help? And they said, well, you want to
be on our faculty, and so I have. So I
was with the faculty of the Monroe Institute for thirty
five years, was their executive director for two and in
that process what I learned were they're techniques, but the

(24:53):
way Bob explores the non physical universe is a different
cosmology than the way that near death experiencers do. So
I used his techniques of guided meditation and binoral beats
and found my own binormal beats that took me to
those key places of a near death experience and then said, Okay,

(25:20):
we're going to follow the path that's laid down to
us by those who've had a near death or shared
death experience, because that road is really well traveled. Millions
of people have had near death experiences, and as it
turns out, if you just jump into that energy stream,
it's relatively easy to experience the kinds of things that

(25:44):
near death experiencers have.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Wow, that's interesting. I was thinking about Robert Monroe and
how well you've explained it perfectly, that it's just a
different realm that they're going to. He's like getting out
of body and you're saying, we're going somewhere with this.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
So he likes to teach the classic out of body experience,
and I teach what happened to me in the hospital
room by location where you can be in the physical
world and you can be in the non physical world
at the same time, And as it turns out, it's

(26:27):
a whole lot easier to teach than the classic outer body.
And so that's what we use in my courses and
on my albums and things, because it's very effective and
it's gentle, and it allows you to kind of ease
into it. And as I've said before, you know, all

(26:50):
I have to do is wear headphones. You don't have
to do the the trauma thing. It's lovely.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
So you've mentioned a couple of times that there's I
don't know, learning experiences from doing this shifts in consciousness wisdom.
Tell us a little bit about what people generally get
from these experiences. What is is there kind of a

(27:19):
universal this is here here, it is, Here's what everybody's
supposed to get type thing.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Now it's your turn. You frozen me?

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Oh and you just froze. Okay. My question was, is
there's something universal that people generally experience or learn or
shift from these experiences.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Sure. The first part is, you know, we can we
can take people to the the key common elements in
a near death experience, like when you lift out of
your body, there is an escort, a guide that will
take you to the light, and what is really helpful

(28:07):
is to use the tunnel as a motive of transition.
Once you're there, there's a reunion with your dead relatives,
and then you get to be picked up by a
divine being, a being of light, who escorts you into
a realm. Where you can have a life review, and

(28:29):
then once that is over, you can enter into what's
known as the park, which is that area of life
between lives and you get to explore what you know,
what our true home is. Each one of those is
operates at a certain frequency, and so you can adjust

(28:54):
the binaural beats that technology to lead you into the
frequency of that space. So there's a space that's really nice,
a frequency that's really nice to meet your guides. There's
another one that allows you to enter into that tunnel,
which is a wonderful energetic transition from here in the

(29:16):
physical world to the world of the light. And there's
three different kinds of light that you can enter into.
And that place where there's a reunion, the place of
life review, and certainly the place of park. All of
those have a frequency that you can adjust using different

(29:40):
a different cake mix, a different mix of frequencies in
using binaural beats, and it just makes it easier to enter.
And once you enter into it, then you know it's
up to you. And that's what I teach. What are
the skill sets you need to have to be able
to communicate and navigate in those spaces?

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Interesting? So why do you think binormal beats have that
much power? You know, what is the energetic factor of
that that allows for people to do that?

Speaker 3 (30:16):
So a little tech talk here. So what Bob Monroe
discovered was a thing called rediscovered. It's an old technology,
it was around since the eighteen eighties. They discovered that
if you take one frequency, say one hundred hertz, and
another frequency, say one hundred and four hertz, that if

(30:38):
you play one into one ear and one into the
other using headphones, the body tries to equalize the two tones,
meaning the brain, and you know, one is saying, hey,
I'm listening to a hundred the other one say hey
I'm listening to one hundred and four, and they try
to equalize it. And that uses the same brain structure,

(31:00):
you know, for us to understand where we are in
space and where sound comes from and that thing. Anyway,
the brain, because it can't equalize two inherently different tones,
sets up a third tone, which is the difference between
the two, which is four in my example. And if

(31:23):
you know Royce, if I were to take and play
those two tones right now for you and you have
the headphones on, it would be a snoozefest because four
is the frequency of deep sleep, and you'd put them
on and you'd listen for a while, and the magic

(31:44):
of the human body is that the brain starts to
resonate at that frequency of four, and the brain starts
to do it on a holistic level, meaning there's not
right in the left hemispheres anymore. It starts to operate
as one unit resonating at four, and you would just
drift off to sleep. The genius of Bob Monroe was

(32:08):
that he said, well, you know, that's a wonderful thing
to be able to put yourself into that hypnagogic state.
But I don't. I don't want to go to sleep.
I want to, you know, keep my mind awake. So
he thought up, well, what if I set a third
tone in there, say at twelve, which allows resonance of

(32:33):
twelve and four. And so now what you have is
the body deeply relaxed, and twelve is the state of mind,
of wake, bright and clear. So the body is asleep,
the mind's awake. And from that that's the point that
he jumped off from when he was doing his classic

(32:55):
out of body and then he you know, he started
messing with him and trying to figure out which blends
of frequencies would take us to different levels. And that
was all done by experimentation. He'd grab people, he'd throw
them into a bed, and you'd say, here, have some headphones.
Tell me what happens to you. Well, later on there

(33:19):
was equipment developed, you know, egs and you know, get
together a group of you know, a dozen z In
Buddhists and tell them to go to the place where
they meet their dead ancestors. And so they get them
into meditative state and they go, look at that brainway pattern.
It's all the same between all these different monks. Let's

(33:44):
reverse engineer it. And so he was able to identify
expanded states of awareness and then reverse engineer plus play
around with it a little bit, going all right, where
else can we go? What else? What else can we do?
So all of that is to say that the brain

(34:06):
will start to vibrate at a state of expanded awareness
like what we were talking about mind awake, body of sleep,
lovely state, and our energetic body, who we truly are,
that begins to resonate with that frequency too. So our

(34:29):
physical body and our non physical body start to resonate.
And so it's easy for us then to match frequencies
with you know, say you know our you know dead Gramma, Jenny,
and or we want to go to the tunnel, we
want to go to that area of life review. We

(34:51):
just change up the frequencies we resonate with that, and
it just allows us to match with what's going on
in the non physical universe. And then from there it's
up to us. What do you want to do, who
do you want to talk to, what do you want
to explore? And that just opens up tremendous worlds, especially

(35:15):
the area of the park where we live our lifetimes.
It's just it's vast. All these centers for learning, healing,
regeneration are We can build our own home there in
the non physical world. What are you interested in. There's
a center for landscaping. There's a center for learning how

(35:37):
to bake. There's a center for lawyers. There's a center
for people who love to paint. I mean it's both
professional and artistic. I mean it's there are these centers
of interest up there that are just remarkable.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Hold that thought, because I want to hear more about that,
and I also want to talk more about I read
on some of your information sheets that there's white light,
but there's also black light, and I want you to
talk about that a little bit more. And I also
want you to talk more about the Life Review, because
that's always interesting. But we a bit of a break

(36:17):
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Oh do we lose him? Come back, Scott? I was
talking with Scott. There is HI there, you're there. I
welcome back everyone, and talking about some really interesting things
here about near death experiences and how you can have
them without dying, which is kind of a nice little

(39:16):
little gift. And we're just starting to talk about a
couple of things, and the first one I'd love for
you to talk about is the life review. I've had
several guests on here. I was mentioning too earlier that
talk about that several people actually have had very distressing
experiences in that realm. But tell us about what you

(39:40):
have or what your people have experienced and maybe an
overall theme that they've noticed in life reviews and what
happens from that.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Sure, typically what happens is that a being of light
will take you into a space where you will have
the ability to review your life. Now, I'm going to
describe this like it's linear, because that's how our language happens,

(40:12):
but very often it Isn't it like your whole You've
heard that expression, my whole life passed before me in
an instant. Well, that's what it's like. For a lot
of folks. It just boom, The whole thing happens at once.
But so it's the job of the being of light

(40:34):
to be there and to love you through the experience.
And the whole idea is that you get to relive
your life everything, and you get to do it from
three different perspectives. First, you get to relive it just
like you did with every thought, every sense, every smell,

(40:58):
every every everything that you occur occurred to you in
the physical world. You don't get to miss anything. And
and at that as you're going through your life the
being of light, if you know, like there's tough spots,

(41:20):
they you know, are typically right by your shoulder, and
they will ask you one question, which is what did
you learn? What did you learn? And this is not
done in a judgmental way. It's it's done as coming
from from love, because you know, sometimes we come in

(41:43):
and we choose particularly hard lives. And so then it's
more like, well did you leave your mission where you
you came into this world to be a jerk? How
how good a jerk were you? You know? And did
you get those lessons? Did you give the lessons that

(42:04):
you needed to give to the people on the receiving end.
So there's that, So you get to live your life
and understand it. Second is that you get to live
that life review. You get to relive your life as
the other person in the room. So like right now,

(42:26):
when I have my life review, I'll get to understand
everything that's going on in your head, Royce.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
And.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Scary as that might be, but it's about understanding how
your actions and reactions, you know, affect other people in
the room. And third is that you get to relive
your life again as from an omniscient point of view.

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So call it god perspective, if you will, so you
can see how this interaction affects not only the two
of us, but then how about our loved ones, our family,
our community, our nation, and the world as a whole.
How does it affect all of you know, human consciousness.

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So there call it the ripple effect. You know, it's like,
how did that exchange between, say, right now, between the
two of us affect you and I and our friends
and people who are watching you get to understand all
of it, so it's it's an extraordinary it's an extraordinary thing.

(43:47):
So two things out of there. One is, in my research,
I happened to talk to a woman by name of Martha,
and Martha was a self described jerk and her she
came from a family of twelve and when she would

(44:09):
go to family gatherings, the most fun she could have
was to figure out a way how soon she could
get everybody fighting with each other, so she would tell
half truth and bald lies and things just to get
people upset. And she just thought that was great fun.

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And then she had her near death review and she
got to relive it as every other person in the
room and discovered that she was an awful human being.
And she didn't really realize the impact that it had
on her siblings, their spouses, their kids, and she was horrified,

(44:53):
just horrified that this could ever have taken place. And
she came back. Now you would say this is like
a distressing experience that she got to relive how awful
she was, but it totally transformed her. And she made

(45:16):
up with ten of her siblings, well nine of her
siblings plus she had two that she couldn't convince that
she had turned a new leaf and tried to live
her life as a truly loving being and giving and
support to all those she encountered. It was she was

(45:41):
a magnificent human being. After after.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Well, a question about that, because one of the things
that I talk about a lot in my courses is
that everyone is in your life to show you something
about yourself. So Martha, in her own jerky way, was
a great mirror for people to see something about themselves.
So yeah, it's great that now she's loving and wonderful,

(46:09):
but all those people that needed to see something about
themselves by being triggered by Martha are no longer going
to get that opportunity, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Well, let's just say that opportunities don't need to exist forever.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
That's true, That's true. You know.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
It's it's those it's those exchanges that are extraordinary and well,
we all have had somebody who said a word at
the exact right time, or there's a book page that
falls open, or a you know, there's so much synchronicity
that's in our life that if we're paying attention to
it can give us great wisdom, just just wonderful wisdom.

(46:55):
Oh okay, So here's the second thing I wanted to
talk about, because this is worth the price of admission.
Anybody who's listening to this broadcast, you just cashed in.
Because what happens in a life review. You've got this
divine being with you who's you know, helping you live
through this experience. One of the things you can do

(47:18):
is say you're at a grocery store and you know
this teenager behind the cash register, can't get it right,
you know, they're they're screwing up the scanner, you know,
and you're frustrated, and you you know, snip at them,
you know. Well when I was like, you know, just

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you're just you're you're being a twit, you know, just
not good. Well, one of the things you can do
is turn to your your divine being and say, hey,
can I have a redo? And divine being will go well, sure,
all right, So you kind of like roll back the

(48:01):
film and say, okay, go relive it. And this time
you relive it and you say, any chance this is
your first day and the job, well, yes it is.
You know, we've all had first days, so don't worry
about it. You can always fix the paperwork, you know.
What's important is the customer experience. You know, you can

(48:24):
you can change the tone in that second round, and
if that doesn't work out, you can go, can we
do that again? And so you get to relive that
seat a third time and a fourth time, until you
get enough experiences you go, oh, okay, I understand how

(48:45):
I could have done this differently and the kinds of
impacts that I could have had on the two of us.
Are families, you know, because when you sniped at that
poor young girl behind the cash ro she went home
and kicked the cat and had a fight with her boyfriend,
you know it, So all of this rolls out. Here's

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the cool part. Each one of those scenarios that you
relived is just as real as what we're doing now.
It adds to the totality of our human experience because
all of our human experiences go up into one big

(49:27):
database in the clouds someplace, and we become richer as
a human species because of your ability to take what
was a scene that you weren't comfortable and turn it
into a scene that you really were comfortable. Or maybe

(49:49):
it was that you were exactly what you're supposed to do,
you know, Royce, one of my personal desires is to
have a conversation with Judas As Scariot. For those of
you who are Christians in the crowd. You may not,

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but this is the man who betrayed Jesus. And when
Jesus was organizing his life, he knew that he had
to be sacrificed and that it had to happen a
certain way. And so who would he choose to betray him?

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It's my belief that it had to be Jesus's best friend.
Who else would do that, who else would become the
pariah for two millennia of hatred and misunderstanding about what
that role was about.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
His role.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Was to allow Jesus to be Jesus, and he did
it magnificently. So I want to know what that was like.
You know, what was the conversation he had with Jesus
ahead of coming into the physical world, so they you know,
how did that line up and and why did you
choose it the way you did. I mean, all of

(51:20):
that is available for us. I just haven't found Judas
yet up in the afterlife, but I'm going to keep
looking at it because I think there'll be a fabulous
conversation taken apart from you know, all of the religious
overlays that we've put on it because of our culture

(51:41):
and misunderstanding about what it's what it means to live
in the physical world. You know, we came here because
we wanted to have experience, and we signed up for
a bunch of different experiences, and you know, it's painful
as some of them are, some of them are great gifts.

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So it's all chosen. Yeah, it's all chosen to adopt
a different attitude, is I think it's really key.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Well, it's like I was saying about your friend Martha.
You know, everybody chose to have Martha in their life,
just like Jesus chose to have Judas, you know, to
do what he did. So we're all here together doing
this dance of learning. So we only have a few
minutes left. And I know earlier I was asking you

(52:34):
about the black light? Can you explain what that is?

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Sure? When when people go into the light, there's the
white light at the end of the tunnel, which we
you can see that everywhere, right, And I mean Harry
Potter had a white light experience, so you get that's
pretty easy. Black light is that space where it's source.

(53:01):
It's the space where everything exists before form, and it's
the place where you get a direct contact with the creator.
It's the space where you lose the fact that you're
you know, I'm Scott Taylor, and I'm a husband and
I've got you know, step kids, and i got brother

(53:21):
and sister and all of that stuff. The ego just
dissolves and you get to be one with the loving
consciousness that is the foundation of our universe. There's also
a clear light experience, which is what happened to me
when I was with Mary fran in the hospital room.

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And that's about discovering that we everything in the physical
world is made up of energy, and it's all the
same energy that comes from that space of loving consciousness.
So you get all three white, black.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
And which is what we're here to learn all of
the above, and we can learn it now and we
will we will. So we have like one minute left.
Tell people how to reach you, and just one profound
thing that you'd like to leave them with.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
My website that's the place to go. You can get
a hold of me with emails and see all the
stuff that I do. That is NDE Meditations plural dot com,
so it's that's short for Near Death Experience Meditations dot com.
And it's easy to get a hold of me there.

(54:45):
This world just love yep. It's an extraordinary space to be.
It's an extraordinary space to discover that we are living
this life that is temporary and that our true nature

(55:07):
is that of being one with that loving consciousness of
the universe. So enjoy it. It's great fun. It's available
to all of us. Yeah, yep, right now.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
And the work that you're doing is helping people get there,
and that's the work I'm doing too, and we can
get there, folks.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Yay, yay.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Thank you so much, Scott. And next time you're on,
we'll hopefully remember that you were on before and keep
up the good work and I will see everybody next Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Nice being with you all. Thank you, Royce. I appreciate
our conversation.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Thank you so much. Me too,