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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:48):
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Speaker 2 (00:54):
Guys, welcome to an exciting episode of Pete for anxiety
Here on the Oracle Talk Ray of Network. My guest
today is the award winning wellness author of the running
and mental memoir Depression Hates a Moving Target, How to
Run with My Dog Brought Me Back from the Brink,
and co creator of the writing journal You should be
writing a journal inspirational and instructional to keep your pen moving.

(01:16):
The one, the only Natina Sweeney. How you doing today?

Speaker 3 (01:19):
I'm good. I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
That's a mouthful, right there, Dan. Anyways, listen, She's wrote
a lot of books anyway, So there's so much to
get over here. Best selling author, mind this, coach, mental
ado kid, just everything. Man, how do you have time
to do all that?

Speaker 3 (01:34):
I do one thing at a time.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, I've tried. That doesn't work for me though.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah. The meditation helps a lot, but it's my mind
can be going a lot of different places, but the
action trying to do just what's right in front of me.
But yeah, I do a lot. I do a lot.
I'm kind of a yeah, I'm kind of a yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I could see though, because you also have make every
move a meditation Tita's third book, and then it says
you also have your current projects a daily dose them now,
the three hundred and sixty five MIDNUS Meditation Practices for
Living in the Moment, a thirty year project. That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, that's the Little One. If you can see them,
they're kind of far behind me, and it's just that, Yeah,
that's the Little One's bestling author here, you know, so that.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
That's so cool though, I mean, when you start writing
these books, you know, it's like you don't even think
it's going to happen, but then it happens. You know,
when you got oound out that you're a best selling author,
like that had to be a lot for you. You're just like, wow,
people really like what I have to say.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
It was a long time coming. I always like to
say it took twenty years to be an overnight success.
And because the first book when it landed, The Depression
Hates a Moving Target, that one really landed big and
it has sold continues to sell, and that's been great.
But it was the dream come true and a lot
of work and a long time coming, with a lot
of help, a lot a lot of a lot of help.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, oh I believe it too. I mean that's great
though it took off running right off the bat. It's
still going right now. So let me ask you what
the Cold Creator project. The journal writing one? Yeah, what
is there? Yeah? What's the premise behind that one?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Okay, so that is a journal. So we pulled author quotes,
just various quotations from names you would probably know of
different authors, and the idea was that we wanted to
both instruct and inspire, and so at the top of
every page there's a quote from a particular author and

(03:31):
then the rest of the page is blank. And the
idea is that you use it either as a jumping
off point or as an inspiration. And the quotes are
organized by topic. So there's some quotes about inspiration, there's
quotes about the business, there's quotes about craft, there's quotes
about mindset. There's quotes about being helpful to the writing community,

(03:52):
you know, kind of giving back, and they're all organized
by those topics in little chapters. But again, it's a journal,
so it's meant for you to write it. And there's
a little tiny introduction and a little tiny kind of
outro epiloguey thing. But yeah, my co creator is a
woman named Brenda Knight. She was the acquisition's editor at

(04:12):
the first publisher I was at, and now she's with
her own company called Books that Save Lives and the
publisher yeah, and it's and that's what she specializes in,
is books that save lives. They're mostly you know, mental health, wellness, motivation,
some business stuff, but a lot of just real kind
of down to earth, this works kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
That's awesome though. I really I really like to name
that too. How did she come up with that name?
Is that something?

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah? Yeah, that's been her passion. It was an imprint
at the previous publisher, and I think one of the
other authors, a woman named Kim Colgrove, we were on
a panel. I'm not sure if I was only a
panel or if I was watching, but she said something
like you write books? Are you published books that save lives?

(05:00):
Into what? Yes? I do I do? And they just
took that and went running with it. And it's. Uh.
There's a guy named Duncan that's her co publisher now
and they're just they're doing great. They're just doing good
stuff in the world, which we really need right now.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah. I love it. I love it when you hear
people are trying to make a change in the world,
especially when it comes to that subject and different things
like that too, because there's so much disinformation out there.
All these people and all these influence are putting crap
out there, just like all right, let's go, what do
you got? Now?

Speaker 3 (05:28):
You know it's my secret recipe. I want five thousand
dollars please from my secret recipe to wellness.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
It's like an episode of Shot, like an episode of
Shark Tank over there. Yeah, no, that's not God. So
so your third book, Make Every Move and Meditation. How
did you come with that one? That one sounds an interesting?

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah. So the idea behind that book is that you
can we always hear about meditation, sitting sitting meditation. You
might hear about walking meditation. If you've ever been to
a retreat, they do slow walking, mindfulness walking. But you
can actually meditate when you're doing any kind of movement.

(06:09):
So the idea behind that book was to showcase how
I meditate while I run, and to use that as
kind of a bunch of examples. And it's a very
much a how to book, So there's tons of exercises
I call them your turn. Throughout the book, it builds,
so it starts real simple and then it builds to

(06:30):
a little more complicated, But the idea is just that
you can do mindfulness practice doing anything. I mean, I'm
actually meditating as I'm sitting here, I'm noticing have a
tiny bit of anxiety. I've done a few podcasts, but
it's always different each time, So I'm noticing kind of
a little jitter maybe in my throat, or I'm sweating

(06:52):
a little bit, things like that. Just noticing that every
once in a while and then kind of coming back
to the conversation. That's all it is, is.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Just these little I got you. You forgot the flex though,
and tell people that this was featured in the Wall
Street Journal though, too. You got to throw that out
there glisten.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's so cool though, I mean, like a minute you
found out it's in the Wall Street Journals, you had
to be a static. You're like, what that was?

Speaker 3 (07:16):
That was crazy because she did that reporter did just
did a search for upcoming movement books or meditation or
something like that. I think it's mostly movement, and and
it popped up. It didn't even have a cover yet,
so in the article it's the description of the book.

(07:37):
It was up for pre order but we hadn't even
finalized the cover yet. So I was so cool. I
was over the moon for that.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, oh I bet that's that's so cool because everyone
knows what the Wall Street Journal is. I mean, like
we all know what that is. Hell, I was ten
years old, knew what that was, you know what I'm saying,
Like it's still around to this day. That's that's so
cool though, I mean, that's wow, she got a call
for Like, by the way, it was on the Wall
Street Journal.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
You know there you go, yes, yes, yes, but it was.
You know, it's one of those things where I felt
as if I was in the right place at the
right time, because there's a lot of luck and timing
involved in publishing, tons of luck and timing, and you
get a lot more lucky when you show up, you know,

(08:24):
when you kind of put yourself out there. And I've
done that. I have a lot of articles I've written,
I've been on a lot of podcasts. I you know,
try to get interviewed whenever I can. I just put
myself in front of people and then if they're if
if it's the right crowd they want me to talk
or want me to write, and if it's not then
that's not for me. But it took me a while

(08:45):
to learn that because I'm kind of anxious. You know,
I'm kind of an anxious person and I want what
I want. So yeah, but that's been the process. But yeah,
thank you for recognizing that, because that was kind of
a big deal.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Like Wall Street Journal. You know, you got to say
we're loud, like you're clearing your throat, like real out.
Sorry sorry it was in the Wall Street Journal. Yeah
that's so cool though. I mean, like when you started
writing these books, you know, you have no idea where
they're going, you know, and like you said, depression hates
a moving target, hit the floor running. You know, you're
just like, all right, cool, let's see what else we
can make happen. And then when that book comes out,

(09:20):
and then you find out that the Wall Street Journal
came across it, and you're just like, okay, well all right, wow,
it doesn't even a cover yet. Man. It's I think
it's all about timing always, I really do.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, yeah it was. It was I was just there
when she needed the information, and yeah, that's just what
it's been.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
So have you always been big into mental health? There
is this just something you got into.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Well, I have mental health issues myself, and so yeah,
I've been big into mental health since I was born.
You know, it's when you live with anxiety and I'm
I'm bipolar, and so I have that whole mood cycle thing.
So and I gave up a very lucrative career you
could say was taken from me in a way because
of my mental health issues. I was an attorney, I

(10:03):
was a partner in law firm, and I was I
practiced law for about almost ten years, not quite ten years,
and I completely crashed and burned because I wasn't getting treatment,
not through anybody else's fault. It was the early nineties,
and you know, we weren't totally sure about the meds,
and therapy wasn't a big.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Deal in my family.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
I was like, what what what? And so I don't
I can't say that if I had gotten treatment that
I would have still been practicing law. It wasn't a
good fit for my personality because I hate conflict, which
you know, I got to laugh about that. But I
did a lot of research and writing. That was my
that was my fourte I could find you need a
case on something, I can find it. That was my thing.

(10:46):
You're going to send me to the stacks, and I'm happy,
snappy and and so and I did you know, I
did client work too, but that was kind of the
big thing. Was was the research and the writing, and
and then it shifted within the place I was working
that that wasn't completely gonna work for them anymore, and

(11:06):
I just I didn't have the resources to find another
position argue with them. You know, there are lots of
things that happened that nobody was at fault. Really, it
was just I had a disease that was not being
treated and I wound up in the hospital. I was
suicidal ideation. I came really really close to ending my life.

(11:27):
I'm so grateful for that. I mean, I have you know,
I'm privileged. I have health care, I have I live
in a big city. I live in the fourteenth largest
metropolitan area in the United States, Columbus, Ohio. And you know,
I've got hospitals on every corner. I've got therapists on
every corner. I had insurance that would pay for stuff.
I'm alive because of that stuff. Because people don't have that,

(11:50):
they die. And so I know that about about the
system and I know that about myself, so I'm always
grateful for that. And then it took me a while
to kind of figure it out. I always wanted to write,
but it took me a while to really really decide,
all right, let's do this and what book because I
have you know, I've written a ton of books, but

(12:10):
five of them or four of them so far published.
There's a fifth one kind of in the works in
the process. But uh, you know, I've probably written first
drafts of fifteen.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Because this is what I do.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
But yeah, with the metal book, yeah, thank you. But yeah,
I mean my first I think I had my first
panic attack when I was about seven. I mean, I
just have lived with it, and so when I started writing,
I didn't realize that that was my strength. Talking about
my experience was my strength. And writing about my experience

(12:45):
and the tools that I've developed over the years. Yeah,
but that you know that, and that's what people want
to hear. Now. They want to hear the funny stories,
but they also want to hear what works, and what
works for me won't necessarily work for you. I'm not
saying that I've got to cure all because where our

(13:08):
brains are wired differently, and we have different experiences, backgrounds
of ability to you know, different resources. So yeah, but
what worked for me was therapy, medication, and movement meditation,
and then I do writing as practice. So the big
three non medical things are movement for me, that's running,

(13:31):
meditation for me that's mindfulness practice, and writing as a
meditative practice. I write to publish, but I also write
as a more of it. It's kind of journaling, but
it has a little bit of a twist to it too.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
So listen to the to the Love from by the Way,
and the Tita's inside soul said, hey, leap that Okay,
she's doing things.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Okay, Yeah, I have an ego though, so I'm I'm like,
oh man, that shingle was lovely.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Bestseller. Man, you might as well at this point flex
I'm listen. I left your law firm, and look what
I'm doing now. I have three books I'm publishing on
a wall street like we could just list it all
day for them, just like the accomplishments of Way, I'm down.
It's their loss.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Don't tell me, you just stop, because my head is
going to get so big. I'm not going to.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Listen. I'm doing the talking for you. I got you.
Listen I'm doing I'm going to do the voiceover parts
for you and your thoughts. You know what.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
So I did notice ultra marathon or too. I was
going to ask you what what in the world that is?
I know what a marathon is, but what that is?
An ultra marathon?

Speaker 3 (14:30):
It's anything longer than twenty six point two.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Make me tired of you? Man, Like god, I couldn't
even run that much. I'm sorry, that's that's that's so
cool though, I mean, are you still doing marathons at
your age? Now?

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah? I have, Well I'm signed up for a half
marathon a couple of months from now. Okay, but my
last ultra was two years ago, so I would have
been six.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
The flex on it's like you, yeah, your age.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
And I choose racist very care fleet so that they
have long time limits. So this Sprace, the particular race
that I did, has a twenty four hour time limit.
And I'm slow. I don't care, but but yeah, I finished.
And it's it's the kind of thing where I joined
a running group and at first I just thought, I'll
do a half marathon. That'll be great, I'll do I mean,

(15:18):
my first thing was a five k long before that,
before that, that's all into the first book. All that's
in the first book How I got from five kta,
you know, to marathon. But the saying goes, when you
hang around at a barbber shop, eventually you're going to
get a haircut.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
And so when you hang around with you know, fifty
sixty and seventy year old who run ridiculously long distances
for fun, eventually you go, man, if they can do it,
why not? And yeah, And that's what we do. So
every Saturday I meet with these crazy people and we
go run some ridiculous amount of miles and then we

(15:56):
go to breakfast, you know, talk about people's kids and
their jobs and there, you know, some of them running energies.
What race we're going to do next? We travel together
to go to races, and that's fun. So there's a
very I'm an introp but there's a very social aspect
because it's kind of a tight knit little girl.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
I was going to ask you, though, in that group,
do they know about your accomplishments or do you just yeah,
they do?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
They do? They do because they were because the running
group was very prominently featured in that first book, because
if I would not be a marathon or without them.
It's the group is literally called marathon or in training.
That's actually the name of the group, the running group.
And uh and they have pacers everything from like Boston
Marathon qualifiers all the way to the walkers, you know,

(16:39):
every little like you know, pace all the way through.
It is really cool cool and uh yeah, so yeah,
they know. They They actually had a book signing for
me at the running store that hosts the group, and
every once in a while one of them will be
there on a Saturday, and especially when the season turns over.
So the season is six months and the season turns

(17:00):
over and they'll all be new people. And this is
one woe that she's so sweet. She will always drag
me over to the new people and say, now we
have a best selling author in our group here right here.
I'm like, and I always turned bright, right, I'm so appreciative,
but I'm kind of I'm kind of shy because I
want to be seen and I want to be heard.
I want people to get the message. I want to

(17:21):
share what I know, and yet I also want to
be under a rock. A lot of times it's weird
kind of kind of feeling. You know.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
It's like I tell people I hate people, but then
I run a podcast and I talk to people all day.
It's like, you know, you know what I'm talking about.
It's like yeah, yeah. And it's always interesting because people
that know that I do this show come and ask me.
Like there's a young guy always ask me twenty questions like, oh, dude,
you talk today. He's always curious to know who I've
been talking to him, like, well, you know, and if
it's something interesting, he's like what, I'm like, yeah, you know,

(17:49):
it's we talked about everything.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Though.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I've talked a lot of people on here. I get
a lot of best selling authors. I had a full
time a couple of international bestsellers, and it's so interesting
to pick your brains who have Glory of vander Horset
here a couple of weeks so mean or had a blast.
Glory and I were having a great time on here,
you know, we were we were working on a book idea.
I don't know she's gonna run with any steel it
on here, and now I'm not sure I have to

(18:11):
ask you, but you know, it's it's it's it's so
great to hear that you're doing all that still, even
you know you, it sounds like you're completely active all
the time, making me tired thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Well, I had a period. I had a couple of
years where things were dicey, and I want to write
about that, but I haven't figured out how to frame it.
I had what's called broken heart syndrome, yeah, or takotsubo.
So I had an episode where adrenaline shot into my
heart and made my left ventricle in large and so

(18:42):
it it's supposed to be like a v and ghost
snap snapsnap, you know, real fast and easy and uh,
and instead it bulges and so it can't push the
blood out the way it's supposed to do the left
entrical and so your your energy level just plummets. And
it happens instantly, happens really quickly, and usually happens when
there's an emotional and a physical thing that happens at

(19:03):
the same time. It's the kind of thing there like
where a mom, you know, their kid will get stuck
under a tree or something and then they go and
lift the tree and they could never do it on
a lay. So with me, it was my husband passed
out and I was standing next to him in the
bathroom and I caught him and carried him into another room,
which I could never do on a regular day, and

(19:24):
that combination he was fine. I'm fine, But that combination
of that emotional thing, the fact that it was my
husband and the physical strain, my adrenaline just went through
the roof and shot into my heart. And so I
had that, and then I had two more and so
those ended the running for about really about a year

(19:45):
and a half. It just was like I was running
training for a half marathon. Everything was, you know, going along,
make every move, meditation had just come out, and then bam,
everything just came to a stop. And luckily you recover
from it. It takes, you know, depending on your your
physical health and just a lot of factors, it takes

(20:05):
anywhere from three to six months, and uh, but mentally,
it really messed with my head. So it's really only
been the last three or four months that I've been
back to doing the distances that I was doing before
and really feeling like a part of the running group.
I mean, I would attend, but I was walking real
short distances just to be there, just to go to breakfast,

(20:26):
stay kind of in the groove. And now I feel,
you know, much more like I'm back and I'm knocking
on a ton of wood. Can you hear me knocking
on you? But but so far, I've been cleared for
quite a while. But I just had to kind of
wrap my head around getting back into it and feeling
because my body didn't feel like it. Wait and I

(20:49):
you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
I'm actually looking at something right here. I have a
AI search over here that I'm doing. I'm looking at
it now. It's It says that it resembles a Japanese
to coo sobo. Octopus trap is basically which you shave
your heart would look like.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yeah, that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Its some crazy stuff.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Look like this supposed to look about like this, like
a bee kind of on its side, and it goes
like that instead. So it's a little round. It's a
They call it a tacotsuba is an octopus trap. It's
a shape of a clay pot kind of that they
used to trap octopuses.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah. I thought that was interesting because I've never heard
of it until now. And I was looking it up
and I have this little cool little browser on this
side that's what I'm looking at. It also says that
particularly women, particularly those who are fifty or more frequent
than men to actually get it well most cases without permits.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Damagingfully right, I think that they're finding that more men
have had them than they thought, but it's underdiagnosed because
they usually just assume it's a heart attack. Yeah, oh
you had a heart attack. Now they can actually tell that.
But for whatever reason, it's being more diagnosed now than
it was. But yeah, so look up tacotsubo. I've had

(21:59):
three of them and hope not to have any more.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Jesus, three of them, Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah. I apparently once you have that adrenaline spike, it's
almost like a neural pathway then it wants to go there.
So I'm on some medication now that is supposed to
help prevent that, and you know, I try not to
put myself in situations where I'm too stressed out. But
you don't know when your husband's going to pass out, Yeah,

(22:26):
I don't know, so yeah, but yeah, So I was
kind of rolling along. My goal was to do a
half marathon on each of the fifty states, and I'm
up to twenty five, so we'll.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
See there you go, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, yeah, so cool. Hang around with people that do,
you know, insane things, and next thing you know, you'll go, wow,
I just did that. That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Right. So let's talk about your last book, the most
recent one, A Daily Dose of Now the three hundred
and sixty five minus Meditation Practices. It says that it's
a thirty year project, and I believe it too. You know,
obviously three hundred and sixty five different practices obviously, So
how did you accumulate all that? Was it just well
over the years of everything.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
What I accumulated mostly was the quotation. So each page
has a little quotation, and it's everything from Popeye to
the Bible and everything in between. Roomy, I mean, just
anything anything that a quotation that felt like a jumping
off point. And then I wrote a little tiny you

(23:28):
can call it an essay, but it's about five sentences
and it's something like my husband and I are going
to be flying soon as soon. Every time I think
about that, I get anxious, and then I remember, oh wait,
I'm not flying right now. I'm here on the ground
right now, I'm not flying right now. And then it
has a daily practice and so that practice might be,

(23:51):
you know, feel your feet in your shoes, and the
practice is really simple. It's something that takes just a
second to just bring your head where your feet are.
Was actually o the original title of book. It's had
a number of titles, which books do that where they
have a number of titles over the years before you
get to the one that feels like it's the right title.
But it was keep your head where your feet are.

(24:13):
That was the original title of the book, because that's
the practice. Let's keep your head where your feet are.
And that's what all the practices are, three hundred and
sixty five of them. And it could be I mean,
you could think of it as as repetitive, but it's
the way you do it. So you do it with
when you're drinking water, or when you do it when
you're walking, or you do while you're talking, or you

(24:33):
do it, you know while for me while I'm running
sometimes all of that, and so those are three hundred
it's one a day, so that you just have this
little tiny hit of mindfulness practice that's so easy. And
then my little anecdote about something, usually something about my life,
might be about my dog, might be by my husband,

(24:55):
my family, you know, growing up, my father, my mom,
something like that, where it's just the real So it's
essentially a memoir because that's pretty much all I write,
but it's with a bit they have always have a
practical application. Yeah, so that's the book, and that one
took me thirty years.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, I agree that I have different titles though, because
I'm working on my own memoir and I changed the
name like twice. Now if I decided it's going to
be called The Voice of the Voiceless and you know,
and things like that too. So I haven't even started
writing yet, but it's on my list of many things
to do. I've about twenty other things on the list,
but you know, we'll get to eventually. It's it's on there.
But yeah, I can agree with that though. The title

(25:33):
of change, I forgot what some of the earlier ones where,
but I was like, yeah, then all of a sudden,
it just hit me one day. I was like, you know,
it's just that title just came and I was like, yeah,
something about it just like frequency really high vibrated with me.
I was like, yeah, that's why I'm digging this. Yeah,
that's when you knew I had that feeling. I was like,
I was like, I love this title already. It feels
so good, you know, and it's it's spawned to a

(25:54):
side project. I'm working on two of things where I'm collecting,
like I'm asking people like, if you want your story
to be told, I'll tell it to you. But the
only the only requirements are is that I'm not going
to share your name, and it's it's going to always
be signed off his voice and the voice. This meaning
that you're sort of be heard. People hear your story,
they'll inspire somebody, but you know that way, you don't
have to feel like shame depending what the story is,
because of some of them, they're brutal. This morning was

(26:16):
a good, good example of a story that was just tearjerker. Man.
Me and me and my guests this morning tif Carterson
we were on a crying moment together. Man, it was
rough listening to her story. She was telling us about
her brother and all these other things just kept coming
up and I'm just like, oh god, it was it was.
It was great because it was just like it's the
first time the show's history, I've ever cried in the show.
But I'm telling you now man. Dad was a tear

(26:37):
jerker in a half man. And it's when you get
into these conversations you never know where it's going, you know.
And I had a guy, Ye, pole are honest.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
That's what people resonate with when they really tell the truth,
That's what people want to hear.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah, we had a guy get a little too honest
on here, but I love him that dad. Though his
name is Brian. He was on the show at the
beginning of the year. He basically was telling us that
at the beginning, before he got on the show with us,
that he had considered taking his own life. And he
laid out exactly what it was he was planning on doing,
and he goes into it and then comes back to it,
and it's just like, I don't think he realizes that

(27:11):
that's what he started. He went autopilot and just started
telling us about it. And I was just like, oh God,
this is happening. Here we go, buck Lin, We're about
to be in for an interesting ride, you know. And
it's I've had like some crazy people. It's crazy stories
that come on here, like the Columbine shooting survivor. I
had no idea that she was inside the library about
six feet away from one of the shooters, and I'm
just like, when you get in this topic, it's it
gets rough sometimes, Like I'm I've been privy to a

(27:34):
lot of things, and it was just like, you know,
it's it's I've always come back for more though. I
love it. It's so great. I love hearing people's stories.
I love giving them the power to share the stories.
I love meting new authors because you know, I have
a stack of books that I just get from different
people that have signed them for me and sent them
to me because I eventually I'm going to get in
a space for a studio. I want to put them
back on there and just have those different things. Is
you know, hey, these people were on my show at
one point, and it's it's so cool though, because like

(27:57):
I would have ever been doing this, but it's always
been coming to It's like I just wanted to start
a podcast, so I did one. I did originally another
one before I got into this one, Like like we
were talking about at the right moment I started this one,
I got offered a spot on the network. This show
had blown up to the end of the year. By
the second week, it was in't even a thought that
was put out there for people. Liddy had a whole

(28:18):
all the ways into the months people Liddy out there,
and then when hit November, I was out to July
twenty twenty five, and mind you, only Monday. It was
the only day I was taking for it because this
is my weekly show would be on Mondays and things
like that. And then the networks that I could expand
it and take more get taking their shows on. I'm like, well,
nobody else is really scheduled. Can I just work around
ever this schedule just to get more, you know, get
seen more. And they're like yeah. So then I opened

(28:40):
the books up and man, we blew up from there.
I'm think I'm at one hundred and thirty nine interviews
off to go. They're under thirty seven to be exactly so.
And it's just like it keeps going though, you know,
more people keeps up.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
It's a topic that so many people can relate to.
I mean, it's just everywhere. It's and as you talked
to Earth about the stigma that I mean, I don't
know anybody who hasn't been touched by either their mental
health journey is an issue or someone they loves or
someone they work with. I mean, it's just everywhere, and

(29:13):
so no wonder, not a surprise. You really struck a nerve.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
That's a good thing. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
I get it though. I get that completely though, based
on the demand of people that went beyond here, and
it's always makes you. A lot of people say, oh, well,
you know you're booking in like November. I'm like, oh, am,
I okay, I don't.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Honestly, I don't like yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
I'm just kind of taking people as they come, you know,
And I'm always looking for new fascinating stories and things
like that, different people, you know. So I'll hit up
other people, like I'm on Instagram, i come across some stories.
I'll reach out to people, you know, and it's it's
so much easier now. I approach people and I ask everybody, hey,
blah blah, I have to show, you know. But from
the beginning I wouldn't talk about it. But now I

(29:53):
could walk to anybody, have a conversation, Oh you have
a podcast. My wife Lidy rolls her eyes every time
you mentioned here we go, you know, like, well talk
about it. Well. It was funny because her what of
her she was in the hospital, so one of her
staff was actually she wrote children's books. She said she
was meeting with who is it Jesus now James Cameron's

(30:15):
people or whatever publicist or whatever, and she had a
podcast too, and I was like, that's interesting. I have
won tou And then you know, the role comes out.
It's like, you know, I talk about it with everybody man,
because it's like I love it, I'll talk about it.
Everybody's so interested when they find out. You're like, oh,
you were in a podcast. I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty
mauch sure it everywhere, like I'm hurt as far as Australia.
And it always blows people's mind when you tell them

(30:37):
that too. I'm like, yeah, you know, what do you
talk about?

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Then?

Speaker 2 (30:39):
When it's interesting to see their faces when you mentioned
mental health, because depending on the age range, the older
crowd are kind of like some are okay with it.
Other people are like, yeah, okay, whatever, that's fuddy duddy
and all that other things, which I get it because
in the nineties we didn't look at mental the same
way we do now, Like we didn't know damn near
enough stuff that we did.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Well that's what kind of happened to me at the
law firm. I didn't it wasn't that I worked with
great people. Let me just said that I worked with
great people and they were so relieved when they found
out I had a problem and I was going to
get help. I mean, they were just so relieved. But
we just didn't talk about it. You just worked harder.
And that was kind of my parents' generation too. You
just you know, you just worked harder and things might

(31:21):
fall apart, but then you just pick yourself up and
you keep going. And people what happened was people disappeared,
people fell off the radar, people went to hospitals. People
that you know, they didn't talk about it. You didn't
talk about Aunt Bessie or whatever. And so that's kind
of why my first book depresconates Moving Target Hit so well,

(31:41):
I think is because we were people were really ready
to hear about it. It was it was pro pandemic.
It came out in twenty nineteen. But you know, I
talk about the emotional problems that I had, and I
talk about coming really close to ending my life, and
I talk about, you know, a year where a whole

(32:01):
bunch of people died and the grief nearly made me
consider it again. And I mean, you know, and people
were ready for that. They wouldn't if that had book
had come out in the nineties, that nobody would have
read it. They would have thought, oh, no, this is
you know, she's just a slacker. That's all that's you know,
you just need to like the Wall You know what
the Wall Street Journals slogan used to be. It was tougher, smarter,

(32:23):
it could be you, or it might be tougher, smarter, harder,
it could be you. And that was their slogan literally,
and uh, you know, not now, no, huh so.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
No, I can only imagine you remember like TV in
the nineties, so it's different versus now too. If you
think about it, though, like this stuff they got away
with before, and people are so insensitive about things now, Like, god,
go watch some nineties commercials. You'll want to see some
some pretty outrageous things like Jack in the Box is
selling a border and an abortion clinic or something. It was.
It was something so scary, You're just like, what the

(32:54):
hell is going on? Like they had no limit to anything,
Like they didn't they didn't think any of this stuff.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
It would sell. That was the big thing. That was
just money, you know, cash was king.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, and we didn't know much aboutmental either. And then medicine.
They were just throwing medicine everything. There was no motalities
you have now and different practices people do, and you know,
you talking about meditation in nineties would have been oh, well,
you're just a granola cruncher or your yoga, you know,
all that kind of stuff like would it makes sense
because it works?

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, And now there's a lot of science behind it
too that I don't think. I mean, I don't know
when the original studies were done, but now there's so much,
so many studies that have proven how effective it is
for mental health but also for physical health. It actually
lowers your blood pressure, It can you know, make heart
rate variability better. I mean, there's just so many things

(33:43):
that it can do. That's actually there's a whole bunch
of information about that in the beginning of Make Every
Move Meditation, because the first chapter is titled why bother? Yeah,
I mean, why why don't we even care about this?
That's literally the chapter title. Because I had to sort
of convinced people why they might be interested in this.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, I mean, it makes sense though, because a lot
of people are skeptic when it comes to things, because
you see all these different products and all these different things,
and it's like, are you selling me snake o or
is this the real deal? And it's it's just I
get it though. It makes sense because it's a hard
topic though people really like to talk about it, and
then when you talk about it, people don't really know
much more than depression and anxiety. You know, a lot

(34:22):
of people with BPD get misdiagnosed with bipolar and it's
you know, like how they run so close together, that's right,
so what happens And it's it's crazy though, because it's like,
you know, they run so close together, but they're so different.
But at the same time, like everybody doesn't exhibit the
same things. You know, you have different people that show

(34:43):
different symptoms, so you can't it's hard to diagnose it
even what is it that one F and D functional
neurological disorder if I remember, that's how it broke down correctly.
But that's one of those really interesting ones that I
found out about. Early on in the show. I had
met a woman from the UK. She said that when
she stresses out hand would like go into a claw
kind of thing stick like this, you know. And she

(35:04):
had some kind of proalysis. And there's another guy I met.
He said he had facial proalysis when he gets too
stressed out, you know, and it's she said, it took
like fifteen to twenty years for them to diagnose it.
Oh my gosh, wow, because it doesn't show up like
a neurological disorder. It's just the way your body's reacting
kind of. And it's just so interesting because it was like, really,

(35:24):
I'm like, I wonder how long it took here, you know,
And it took less time here for us to find it,
but over there in the UK, I think actually I
think hers was actually nineteen to twenty years. She said.
Here it was actually fifteen to sixteen I think years.
It was actually less here for us to find out
about it. But it was so fascinating because once you
start digging into some of these things, you know, it
gets more interesting because it's like, you know, you start

(35:45):
meeting people that have these things, so you're then you
start looking for these certain things that they do.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
You know, Like I met a it's like a radar
goes on once you start hearing about it. Then the
radar goes on, you start seeing.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
It and you understand it better, you know. I mean,
you're not so frank because you're like, okay, well that
makes sense, you know, especially the girl who came on
the show that had d ID and it was like
you'd watch it, but you see the little tweaks of
things where it just kind of like start making sense.
After a little bit, you start really realizing what's going on,
you know, and you're not pointing them out obviously to
her because you know it was going on. And it's

(36:15):
so interesting to watch though.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
You're seeing so many people that you're just learning all
kinds of things because you're seeing you know, you're hearing
them talk about it with sharing, but you're actually seeing
it a lot.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, oh yeah, a lot of times.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
I am that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
I love it. I think it's great. It's so interesting
because like when you see it and you're like you're
watching them and everybody experiences it differently though, Like especially BPD.
We had a guest early on in the show the
first half of the year in November. She's she's a musician.
She came on and I didn't know she had BVD
until she told us her in the show. She was like, yeah,
I have BPD SOD, So can I ask you what
that's like? And she said that it was like questioning

(36:52):
everything about herself, you know, and then she had the
question who she was each and every day, and it
was it was so fascinating because another girl I worked
with is the reason I even knew about it, because
when I went to look at these videos, I came
across this woman named doctor Jen and things look at too,
you know, and she was like, doctor Jen had a
bunch of informational videos and things like that as well.
And that's how I learned a lot about it because

(37:13):
a girl I worked with had it. She was telling
me a little bit about it because I kept noticing
that weird things, like she was a cigarette smoker, but
she had four different pacticars, Like girl, why do you
have four different packs of cigarettes? She just laugh at
me at first, and then when she found out what
I do and I do this podcast on the side,
she's like, oh. Then she started telling me a little
more about it, and it was different versus you this
other person. It's like, well, you know, hey, this is

(37:34):
how I had it. Comes to me, and I'm like,
it's so fascinating because now you're getting to meet people
that have these things, and everybody's telling you different things,
and you're like, you know, it's so great because you
don't get it this much information. A lot of times
you don't get to see these things. I think one
guest actually said she said one of her first cases
out of school was she actually had a person with
d ID and she's like, yeah, let me tell you,
that was probably not the first case I should have had. It.

(37:56):
It was crazy because it's like, why would you give
somebody that that knew that that probably has no idea
what they're dealing with, you know, to deal with that
situation because they could get tricky quick.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah that's I mean, that could be really complicated and
my goodness, ethics issues there. I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like you starts to
make you really started asking questions you like, really, you
gave this to a new person who's just fresh out.
It's like, yeah, you could have soured this person because
they're dealing with something that they're not ready for, especially
that one.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Jesus No, Yeah, that's I don't I mean I I
sometimes I think I should sign everything Nita and not
a therapist Sweeney, because I definitely do not have. I mean,
I'm a lawyer, I'm a writer. I have an MFA.
I have a bachelor's and journalism. I have a law degree,
master's in Fine Arts and creative right, I have. I've
took some psychology courses and that's about it. But I

(38:51):
do not envy therapists and psychiatrists. And I mean their
their patience and their skill and oh my goodness, and
you know, there's good ones and bad ones, just like
in any profession. But but yeah, the stuff they deal
with all day long on a long term basis, that
just amazing to me. How how you know how they

(39:13):
can do that? I don't know. I just I'm just.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
They have the Internet now, the Internet, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
That's scary to me. I just there's some Yeah, I mean,
if you, I mean I according to is it Siri
one of those either Alexa or Siri. I still live
in Sandusky, Ohio. I'm living in Sandusky, Ohio since nineteen
sixty two. So you know, there's just some wrong. And

(39:43):
that's not a bad thing. That's not a bad one.
But there's plenty of a really wrong information out there,
so be careful, be very good.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, God, please check your sources. I can't tell you
that enough time. Check your damn sources. Not being it's
not going to trend to chat GPTs you new therapists
because it it's not. Through the love of God, please don't.
We've already explored that several times other people that we
found out that chat gpt was telling people how to
commit suicide.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
I'm like, I know, I know, it's so scary. Stop. Yeah,
I heard about that. Well in the legal profession there,
you know, lawyers, I mean lawyers do use it. They'll
use any tool that makes their job easier because I
don't want anybody, but especially in the early days, there
was one I don't know if it was an entire firm,
but there was one lawyer who got reprimanded because he

(40:30):
filed a brief that had cases that didn't exist. It
cited cases that didn't exist, and he used chat GPT
to write the brief. I mean, hello, how many how
many dollars? How are you getting paid?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Right? This is supposed to be licensed and these are
the things you have to school to study. You should
know how these things work.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Man, somebody somebody's got I mean they have. I mean
we had a huge case too. Sometimes we just just
joked that if it wasn't on fire, it didn't exist
at the law firm I was running for. But sorry
about that. But uh yeah, that was just you know,
I'm pretty sure he got talking to.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
About that conversation. Why did you come to my courtroom
showing up with chat GPTs? Your your co creator here?
Come on now, so let me ask you though, are
you working anything else right now? I know you said, yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
So I am writing another memoir that's really more pure
memoir than anything else i've that's been published, and it's
about the last year that it's about my father's my
relationship with my father. So the last year that he
was alive, I had been in the psych ward, I

(41:48):
left the law firm, came really close to ending my life,
and had been the psych word. And then he was
diagnosed just a few months after that, so I was
just felt like a was kind of on the upswing.
And then he was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer. He
had already metastasized, and so I had a lot of
time on my hands, and all he wanted to do

(42:10):
is play golf. Yeah, and so that's what we did.
We played golf together the last you know, until he
couldn't play anymore. And then after that he and my
mother lived with my husband and I until he died.
And during that summer I learned a lot about him,
but I learned a lot about myself. And I was

(42:30):
able to heal some old wounds with him and with
other people just through you know, I was in therapy
and group and all that kind of stuff, but just
time with him playing a game, being outdoors. And so
I went with from somebody who really wasn't sure she
wanted to live. And I've been at that point a

(42:51):
couple times in my life. I have, you know, cyclical
chronic depression, on bipolar, but this was the first time
that I had really kind of stared it in the
face and to wanting to live. And I lost my
father and I found myself. So so far, the book's
called Memorial, and we're working with a bunch of different

(43:12):
subtitles because it's memorial because it's sort of a memorial
to him, it's a memorial to my practice of law.
Because there's a lot in there about how I left
the firm and why and my mental health journey. Really
the first big part of the journey I go in
a lot of detail, but also one of the things
that he and I used to do together here in

(43:32):
central Ohio. There's a golf tournament called the Memorial and
memorialized the particular golf you know, pro every year and
it's at Mirefield Country Club here in Dublin, Ohio, and
he and I used to go and watch that, and
when I when I was a partner in the firm,
we had tickets. Often the senior partner was a member there,

(43:52):
and so we would have tickets, and also anytime we
needed to round out of foursome if we were playing
golf with clients. My the senior partner knew my dad
was a crazy golfer loved golf, and he would say, hey,
you know, would your dad like to play? And him
and I playing together like that was sort of the

(44:13):
kind of the way our relationship rebuilt after a bit
of a rift in my younger years, And so the
story is sort of about us rebuilding our relationship even
before I got sick, and then me getting sick, and
then him getting sick and then us sort of rebuilding
our relationship again as he died. And yeah, so I

(44:34):
think it's going to be you know, I think it's
a lovely story because it's my story. It did just
get a an honor. It was a finalist in the
Faulkner Competition, which is a kind of a writing literary
writing competition. I just I just found that out yesterday
that it placed as a finalist in that competition, which
is kind of would be good.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I you got that, You've got to start having that, like,
you know, playing with the whole little banner behind you
coming behind you think it's just different things. Yeah, but
those are just my achievements. Don't worry.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
But it's kind of a it's kind of the kind
of thing where you know, when you're writing something, and
this I've worked on on and off, on and off
on off years. He died a long time ago, and
and it's one of the things I pick up, put down,
pick up, put down. I finally really got serious about
it this year. And so to have somebody other than
me say, yeah, this is pretty good. You know, this
is this is this is top shelf. That that means

(45:33):
a lot because you just don't know. I mean you
really you're in there with the words and the feelings
and the pictures and the you know, letters and all
the stuff you use to compile this stuff, and I think,
do I have anything here? Do I have? You know?
So to have somebody else say, yeah, you got something
here that really means something, So watch for that hopefully

(45:53):
in May. Hopefully in May that'll come out. Okay, yeah,
we'll see. But yeah, that's what I'm so. It's a
it's a mental health it's a father daughter memoir about
mental health, cancer and golf and loved and loved.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah, it's awesome, That's what I'm saying. You know, let
me know when when it gets closer, and then we
can hype it up. Maybe I'll have you come back
and we can talk about it a bitted a bit,
you know what I mean. I love books. I was
never a book of a big book reader. Un Phillis
start doing the show that I read a memoir that
was about breast cancer. Erica Nuberg wrote. It was called
The Double Man Secting Me I've always wanted and it
was just it was something else, Like I was just like, Wow,

(46:32):
the vulnerability this woman puts she literally showed her buried
it all for y'all to see. The scars looked like
some saw things is what she was calling them too.
And I was just like, I believe it, dude, looks
like Frankenstein and sewing together here. It was just it
was horrible, but you know, you get to see her
and her change and how she regained her womanhood. It
really regained herself as a person because like she lost everything,
like we know how we identify men and women, you know,

(46:53):
where there's certain things, you know, And it was powerful
enough that she said men were messaging her saying, well,
thank you because I read this book and now I
understand what my partner was going through. And you know,
it was interesting to get the perspective of mail because
she asked me to read it and said, yeah, I'll
read it. What out but Deck, I'll get you a perspective.
Let's go for it, you know, and that's I do.

(47:14):
It didn't bother me. I was telling people reading this book.
People were looking at me kind of strange, going, what
are you reading? I'll reading a breast cancer memoir and
they're just looking at me like huh. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
I'm enjoying it pretty good. Actually, right now it gets
pretty gritty in the air, you know, and it's just
like I don't care. I'm like, I don't care. People
think I'm like, I do what I want to do anyways,
you know. And and the fact that you and your
dad have a relationship. I made my dad have a

(47:34):
good relationship too. Now it's like, ever since started the show,
it's again kind of weird because he was sharing a
lot more things with us, Like we went on a
trip and he started talking about some things I've never
heard this man ever say in my life to me,
you know, And I don't know what it was. It's
just something that we've always kind of had a weird
relationship since we were kids because he was never really around.
He was always working and my mom was always home

(47:55):
with us. So when he was home, he was sleeping
a lot of times, you know, so that if you
need some and you had to go ask him, you had.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
To wake him up. That was the thing with us.
It's like, oh my god, don't make me wake that up.
Oh my god, all right.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yes, yes, we didn't want to wake that up.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
It's like that game, don't wake Daddy you know, you
don't want to wake them up and things like that too.
So we never really we did stuff together, like we
go to baseball games and he get like tickets to
go like the Cubs because we were in Chicago's where
I grew up. So we went saw the Cubs and
things like that. So we loved I love baseball baseball
since a kid, I slam am a baseball fan. And
he always take me a year to go see the
White Sox play, you know, and stuff like that. But

(48:30):
that's like the only thing we do. We went to
Canada a couple of times on a family trip. That
was great too, but like there's a lot of dark
side to that too, things to just watch them go through.
And it gets crazier as the years go on. Like
I was with him for a while, like me and
him were really close and we always really talked him
as much as I did. But then there's a lot
more to tell in this book, is there's there's some
things people are going to find out about me. I've

(48:50):
never told anybody too, And you know, like I have
my own stuff. I deal with the things I've done
and I'm proud of and it gets it's gonna get gritty
for some people. I think, just like I'm going to
tell people Buck and when you read it, I said,
it's going to get ugly because you're going to find
out more things than you knew.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Have you started taking notes, so you're taking notes about
what you want to write about?

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Uh, it's just like, not yet. I think that's something
my list of things to do, I've I've got I've
got a lot going on recently, like with the last
two weeks, I've become a podcast network owner. Uh you know,
so I've been working on that.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Congratulations, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, yeah, it was something I was so excited when
they asked me too. I was like, yes, you know,
because I've been here since day one, you know, to
come to find out now I'm gonna have to rebuild it,
which is fine because I can rebuild in the way
I want to rebuild. I can bring the people I
want that are dedicated and things like that too. You know,
some people told me that they're inspired by me because
I inspired them to do a podcast, and they're very
happy to what I'm doing. They're so excited for me,

(49:42):
and it's just like all I'm doing is having a conversation,
you know. But you know, that just proves that a
conversation can go a long way, you know, and things
like that as well.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Though you have see that's what that's what some people
think that. It's like, all I'm doing is having a podcast. Wow,
oh my gosh, that's a skills that and a passion
for you and not everybody. I mean, I couldn't do that.
I can't. I would not have that consistency. I wouldn't
have the patience. I wouldn't have, you know, and here
you are doing this sharing people's stories. My stories. Is

(50:11):
that woman's story sounds amazing. I mean, people, that's what
they're longing for, is those vulnerable conversations. It's authenticity, people
talking about, you know, the gritty things of their lives.
People want to hear it. They want to know what's real.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
They want to hear it. A lot like that, I said,
the demand on the show alone, it's just proven up
that there's something here. And it's been like this since
day one and we're almost a year into this thing.
And it's like people always tell me the same thing too,
like oh man, I never I don't think I could
run a podcast. I'm like it was rough in the beginning.
I'm not gonna lie to y'all, Like now I could
tell other people they hate these are the things that'll
make it easier for you right off the bat, because

(50:49):
it was just like, you know, and everybody's like, well,
I don't know what to talk about. Whatever you want,
whatever you feel like you can fill a space with
and be consistent about it. Cause that's one thing I
can get. Tell me. That was what I got told
from getting us the first thing I got. And then
actually the guy that I had told me that message,
he's gonna be a guest on the show too. You
actually reach out to me and I was like, he's like,
well I found out you're following him, and like, yeah, dude,
I've been follwing you since day one. But I remember

(51:10):
when you first started doing your podcast and seeing all
your videos and everything. It's like you're just fan grunning
this poor guy. And he's just like, okay, cool, you know,
But you know it's that that was the thing. It's like,
it's inconsistent. It's hard though. I mean it's it's I
juggle a lot of things of doing now, but now
I'm like changing up my my schedules of how to
do things and make it. You just have more time
to do stuff, and then you got to post it
on social media and all these other things.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
And it's like yeah, yeah, yeah, you're a business owner.
I mean, you're a business owner. Yeah, podcast you're a
business owner.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
It's it's it's been great though, like I said, I did.
I enjoy it though. It's one of these things. I
hope that eventually it'll be when I can just quit
my job and just do all the time, and just
because I just love doing it, just meeting new people,
having these conversations, you know, getting to see different things,
and soon all I publish author to the list and
you know, stuff like that, and then being accomplishment itself,
you know, and all this other great stuff. You know.
And if I had told somebody a year ago this

(51:59):
is things I would be doing, I probably wouldn't even
believe it myself, because I was like, yeah, I was
there was I was on the fence, real only on
the fence about this whole thing about starting this thing.
But then it was like, you know, it's just like no,
this is something I want to do. I'm gonna do it.
I'm gonna do it now, and I don't want to.
I'm not always gonna stop me from doing this. And
I'm glad I did it though, because I've had so
much success. I've met so many cool people. Hell, I

(52:19):
even had an x NFL star here that was on
the show. It was great. It's just been so great
to all these conversations. And every time you hit go Live,
it's like you're bringing a new conversation to the table,
you know, And I'm hearing my name from other podcasters
are talking about me on their shows and things like that,
and then you start doing guest spots on their shows,
and it's just it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Man.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
It's like every day, that's all I do all day.
It was like, do you ever sleep?

Speaker 3 (52:41):
No?

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Sleep doesn't exist. So ok, So, Anita, I have a
question for you. I've been asking all my guests this question.
So here goes. This actually comes in from a friend
of mine who runs a podcast it's called The Ship
that Goes On in Our Heads. When me and her interviewed,
she said to me, Pete, if your mental tend to song,
what would that song be? So my question to you

(53:02):
now is if your mental tastes song, what would that
song be.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
You spin me right round, baby right round my record,
baby right right round.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
I love it it is.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
That's a wild ride, especially in my head. You know.
That's the thing, the meditation. You look so calm on
the outside, but oh my god, what's going on in
the inside.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
I like to tell me, like that Disney movie inside
out to the little Yeah, I'm like, that's that's my
anxiety to go. There's what pizece anxiety looks like, you know,
and so it's it's that's that's great though, because everybody
has an interesting answer thing so far. Still think the
top answer so far was raised against the machine from Susan.
Oh yeah, Susan goes rage against me. She goes, you're

(53:47):
gonna make funny for this one and sayd why and
then she told me about it. I was laughing, so
shout out to Susan. She said, so far, they had
the best answer so far. I was so shocked by
that answer because I'm like, okay, all right, Susan, let's
see what you're working with over there, all right. I
like it.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I like it. And the machine is a printer. The
machine is a printer.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yep, that could be whatever machine you wanted to be
at that point, she's yelling at it. So my other
question for you, though, is if you could break the
stigma about mental health like anything that you've had through
your whole time, what was the one thing you tell
people to stop stop believing into.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Oh, I think just that that it's like that we
chose this, or that we're lazy. I think that's the
Probably the lazy is that. That's kind of where I
was going with that chose this is that very few
people are lazy. I met a ton of people as

(54:42):
a lawyer in my years writing. I mean, usually they're exhausted,
they might be confused, they might be bored, they might
be in the wrong job work, you know, the position, whatever.
They might be up against some you know, privileged stuff

(55:07):
where they're not privilegion got all the whole system against them.
And there's that. But I just don't think people are lazy,
and especially people who have mental health issues, because we're
not just fighting all the regular stuff that everybody else
is fighting, you know, all the stuff that just life

(55:29):
throws at you. We also have this thing in our
head that often is trying to kill us. I mean,
it really is trying to kill us a lot of
times if you have suicidal adation and many of the
mental illnesses, that will be maybe not a primary component,
but but it's there in the background sometimes, you know,

(55:50):
you're just trying to stay alive just period. And so
when people talk about, oh, they're just lazy, they just
want to hand out, or they just I mean, that
just infuriates me because there's always something else going on.
There just is always they might be afraid, they might
I mean, there's just always some other factor that's not

(56:12):
being addressed, that's not possibly fixable. It might not be fixable,
but they should still be entitled to exist. Should, you know,
be fed, be clothed, have a food over, you know,
roof over the head, all the basic stuff people just
because they're a human being, they should have that basic stuff.

(56:34):
And so when when I get the whole lazy thing,
that's a big I guess you can call it a
trigger for me, but that's just one of the things
that it's just I just want to go stop look deeper.
That's just an easy answer. Stop look deeper. So, yeah,
that's the big stigma thing that I think probably sets
me up. And that could be that's a theme in

(56:54):
my next book. Let's just say so there could be
some you know, like trauma, coding kind of stuff going
on with that. But but yeah, the lazy that's the
one that just I just want to I just want
to kind of throttle people and say, will you look deeper.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
You just exactly because you don't know what somebody's been
dealing with, what's caused them to end up that way,
Because there's always a story behind the story, you know,
you use what you see in the outside isn't always
what's going on in the inside in their heads. We
don't know what they've been through previous to that, and
you know what they wrong to.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Right now that they're not that they're not willing to
tell you because they're afraid they're going to be judged
or worse or worse.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Label's crazy. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Well, Natina, I
wanted to thank you so much for coming. Did you
want to let me know where they can find you?
What's what's your best social use? I know you're everywhere.
I saw your Socialist it's on there. I gotta I
gotta put it in the description of the video. What
it is long, But she's everywhere.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
So really the best place to go is my website.
It's nitasweeney dot com, so it's just my name dot
com and all the other links are there. And then
I have a newsletter, and there's a on my website.
There's you know, a couple of freebies you can get
if you want to hop on there. I it's a
bit random. Sometimes it's twice a month, sometimes it's once
a month. I don't know that I've ever hit once

(58:10):
a week, but I tend to be really vulnerable and
authentic there in my newsletter. But yeah, I'm on the TikTok,
I'm on Instagram, I'm on the Book of Faces, I'm
on the you know, all the places, the sky of Blue,
I'm on the all the stuff. I think. I'm on mastadon.
Does it even exist anymore?

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I think I'm even on there.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Whatever if if there's a new one, I'll tell you.
Someplace that I'm not is sub stack, and we're not
going to go into why. I have my name saved
there and you have to save your name. You have
to post once a month, and so I post I'm
not here there, but I'm on Medium. I am on Medium.
I do post things there. I have a Patreon, but
I haven't done anything with it. But that's something you

(58:53):
know for another day.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
No, I agree there, that's that's how I feel about.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
I have to say this one more thing I have
to say because my editor will be upset if I don't.
My books are available wherever fine books are sold.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Here we go. You heard the guys, Go and find
your books on I don't search them all anything you
want and everything everywhere, she's everwhere, guys send up Pete
for anxiety and I'm everything. I'm on TikTok down the
Instagram and all the way down to acts that I
don't even use. I'm on Spotify all the way down
to iHeartRadio And as always say, it costs nothing absolute
enough to be kind to somebody. One kind act you
could do, could say some flight or hell, can you
to make their day? I'm Pete for his anxiety, signing

(59:28):
out saying, don't ask how your day is today, say hey,
how's your mental health today

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