Living a Double Life, Calling Out Christians, & God-Led Hustle Feat. Shante' Holley

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And just like that, we madeit to the end. Now, not
at the end of the season,but the end of the album Industry Plant,
and it's been a hell of aride. We end off with a
banger, all right. How,first of all we talk about in this
season, let God be a producer, and of course I'll go with the
definitions of producer, producer, procreate, reproducer. Now, this episode

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features my girl, y'all. Shecame in. She killed it. She's
already killing it on Instagram. Asa Christian therapist, as an English professor.
She got a lot going on,she got courses, doctor seante my
girl. She talks about how FaithPersonal was branding and marketing. She talks
about her services. She talked aboutaddressing extential dilemmas, you know, guidance

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for you know, aligning our livestogether and all that good stuff, and
how ad all tizing with life coachingsand ultimately the main goal is to have
fruit, produce good fruit, andfruit that's last. Now, maybe your
fruit may not be mine, butas long as you are, whatever you're
doing, you're producing. You know, I always correlated with teaching. If
you're teaching, you're producing good scores. You know you did good. If

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you're producing different better behavior, youdid good. So it's all of our
producers. I want you to findout what you're trying to create. It
what you're trying to produce in thisseason, and hopefully this episode will help
out with that as the final track, so as always sit back, relax.

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What what mo Niques say on CharmSchool when she was like, when
you when you do clownery, thecloud comes back to bike that that was
me. The clown kept coming backto biting. Finally, I've realized that,
you know, and I need toleave you alone because I'm a because
because when you keep ignoring stuff,you just keep and lo and behold.
It was one of my most popularvideos, and people was like, I'm

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so glad you said this. That'sright, I'm so glad you spoke out
because it's the truth and just allof these things. And of course there
are always going to be a handfulof people that want to come to you
and be like, you're you're tryingto change the word. I'm like no,
no, Like are we are wereading the same scripture? Okay?
Because if we want to get realtechnical about it, all right, y'all,

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that for you too. Peace,I'm back and it's up PSA. I'm
just slick to take off my TSAboom And just like that, we have

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made it to the final the finaltrack. Can't you believe it? After
living lone weeks no bricks and giveyou out no bricks? This time usually
end up seeing mid season series albummixed tape. Whatever I decided to do,
as I always at least one brook. It wasn't nough Birks this time,
and I'm pretty happy about that.We kept everything going the entire time,
you know, through people falling off, for people falling on people.

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Some people who say that it's gonnado it did it. You know,
we mixed and match some people.Some people gonna come back at a later
day for some other projects. Butwe made it through, and you know
we're here. So this one isthe final track of the series. I
haven't decided if we're gonna do awhat's the word I'm looking for. I
haven't decided we're gonna do the bonustracks for the end of the end of

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the season, but I will can'tguarantee you after the album ends. We're
gonna have twelve full episodes after this, so I don't know if some of
those are gonna be one of thebonus tracks or not. But well,
we'll cross that bridge when we cometo all Right, we're winging it at
this point, but it's a goodwinging, all right. So to mein
this Reek week reads, my goalfor this season is to cultivate good fruit.

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If I find that I'm not achievingthis, then I recognize that something
is out of sync. Okay,And that was the original meme. The
other meme that I decided to useas well is in this season, let
God be your producer. And soI couldn't decide which to to go with,
So I'm gonna go with both.How about that? That's the first
we've never done. That. Inspirationfrom this week comes from John fifteen and

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five that says, I'm the valueare the branches. If you remain in
me and I and you, youwill bear much fruit. Apart from me,
you can do nothing. And that'smy only inspiration for this week.
I think that that's imperative, especiallyin this season, in this time,
because we live in a culture wherea lot of people, you know,
you can believe what you want,but a lot of people think that they're

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their own God. And I'm that'snot a role I want to play.
I'm okay with, you know,having a god. I don't want to
play my own god. I don'twant to. That's there's a lot of
shoes to feel, and that's that'sa lot of job to do. And
I say job because it's one bigjob, but several out in one and
I'm not built for that. Soif you you your own guide and you

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think you can do that, youknow, hats off to you. Ain't
gonna hurt because I'm taking it off, but hats off to you. All
right, y'all. So now let'smove into my one of my favorite seconds.
I said they have my favorite second, but you know how they go
happy hour, all right, Sonow this week's happy hour with two things
I want to talk about. Firstthing, just learning from my life.
Pay attention to the sign and wehear stuff like that all the time.

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But here's how I really want tocap catalize on that. So I had
a friend I used to be realcool with, and every time this person
was around me, bad stuff willhappen. I believe that I have the
eyes and they've been blessed with theability to see pat hims to notice patterns.
Every time this person was around me, bad stuff will happen. I

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remember the first time he was aroundme. You know, he visited at
my house to at my house orwhatever. I lost my car keys.
Then it was another time he stayedvisiting my house homeboard he put his shoes
because sometimes I leave my shoes outsidemy door because they'd be beat up and
I don't feel like bring him inthe house. They've been dirty and all
that. So he left his shoesout out of the door. They stole

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his shoes, and then I thinkit was something with my keys, and
then they took my keys. Now, ain't I'm not stilling nothing, but
you're not to go. Then,when this person was always around me,
it was always some big old argumentwith somebody involving him. After a while,
I put two him two together.I said, you're the problem.
Now I'm not saying the blame game, because at the end of the day,

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if you keep allowing stuff, you'rethe problem too. What Monique say
on Charmed School when she was like, when you when you do clownery,
the clown comes back to bike.That was me. The clown kept coming
back to bit and finally I realizedsaid, you know, and I need
to leave you alone because I'm becausebecause when you keep ignoring stuff, you

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just keep you keep letting it happen, and then that's your fault and then
you have to deal with it,which did leaves to my next point I
want to talk about. So afew weeks ago, when I posted one
of my you know, my funnypovs, they'd be going up on YouTube
and TikTok. I use a clipfrom Handing Montana with Jason Earle and he

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was imitating handed Montana was somebody I'ma pop stommer, real girl because she
was literally the narrative of the showwas, if y'all remember Handing Montanna.
She was a regular girl with brownhair, then she put on a blonde
wig and she was Handing Montanna.She'd go on stage looking exactly the same,
just with different color hair, andnobody knew it was her. But

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what I can't say about that isif you look at the narrative up,
how does it? I ain't gottacup today, I'm talking about me.
But you live in two lives.You know what they say? They say
only people with money can live doublelives. And I guess technically she had
money because she was a pop star. But that's hard to keep up with.
And do you think about the peoplewho live double lives. As far

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as you one way, you wouldn'twear work. That's a little different.
That's a justified when I believe,but you one way of working, you
one way outside of work. Youknow, what about the people who one
way at church and another way outsidethe church, or what about the people
who are one way with this groupof people and then another way with a

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different group group. I'm a firmbeliever. I like to be the same
person everywhere I go because it's justeasier that way, you know what I
mean? Like you would hate tobe one of the favorites. These personalities,
whether it's a reality personality actor ora rapper. You play this one
way on screen in them studios,and then you come into real life and

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it's not even like that, youknow. I want people to be able
to look at me and say you'rethe same in person in it on line.
Now, sometimes the people get thewrong impression. That's another thing.
But if we're correlating with Handing Montana, she was playing two roles and I
just feel like, you know,what if and you know there was a
breakdown of that, I don't wantthose episodes because she was actually Handah Montana

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was supposed to be singing the nationalanthem. And in the episode, she
was studying for a play as herregular self, and she's sang the regular
the the lines for the play.She was going forward why she was performing
one performing as Handa Montana, andthey booed her. So that's an example
of you seeing when your lives crossover. Because you're gonna only live for

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devil life for so long, somebodygonna find out and somebody gonna put you
on blast. Never let nobody putyou on blast and tell your business if
you don't learn nothing else, keepthat in mind. Never let nobody tell
your business. Tell your own business. That way. They want to spend
a story later, that's on them. But you already put it out there,

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so people gonna believe what they wantto believe. And if you're known
as a liar, well, Idon't know what to tell you because that
ain't I ain't know, there's nolie. I can't give advice on something
ain't done. But anyway, that'sall I got to say, y'all.
So we have a great interview today, one that I think has gonna be
full of a lot of wisdom,one that I think is gonna definitely open

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some eyes and some ears to somethings, and she'd be going crazy on
social media. So I think wegotta go. I had to get her
on here because you know, sometimespeople get too big and then they can't
They literally can't hear me because theyjust be flooded everybody begin us. So
let me get them now before theyget too too big. So what's going
on? Hey? Is he?Thank you for the invitation. I am

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doctor Chantay and I appreciate you haveingme on the show absolutely. So,
like I said, I have beenseeing you for a while on Instagram.
I said, you know what,we gotta make this happen. So,
like I said, I know you'revery busy, but I said, you
know what, it don't even matter. If we're gonna we're gonna do it.

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And so we're here today. Ilove it all right. So now
I have to Now, you alreadysaid your name, but typically I asks
my guests just full of the audioonly people you said your name, So
tell the people where you from,where you live, and what you do
now. Where I'm from, whereI live and what I do now.

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So I'm doctor Chantey, I amfrom Chicago, still around and I do
a few things. So my quoteunquote day job is an English professor.
But my calling and my passion isto use my knowledge and gifts to prom

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mental health awareness to help people recoverfrom trauma, to overcome past obstacles so
they can live their best lives andbe their best selves. Okay, English
professor. Okay, So I havea degree in English. I don't know.
I'm sure you didn't know that,but yeah, I have a degree
in English from Texas so of theUniversity. So writer brain, that means
full of wisdom. Writer's block attimes. Just a quick question before you

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even really get into the episode,just for me, what is one of
your tips to overcome writer's block.One of the best to overcome writer's block
is to change your environment. Sosometimes we are stuck to rut because we
are stuck in the same surroundings.And you would really be surprised how a
change of scenery, even if it'san our road trip out of town and

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just been able to get out andother cultures and other experiences and just away
from the stresses of your daily lifecan inspire and spark creativity and inspiration for
you to move forwarding your art.Okay, So who is the target audience

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for your services? Target audience frommy services primarily people who have encounter or
experienced some sort of trauma. Iam a trauma informed care ambassador, and
basically what that means is I approachevery situation not from here's what you need
to do, but from a spaceof what have you gone through? What

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ha happened to you? And howcan we connect what has happened to you
to the places that you are strugglingnow, and how can we help you
overcome those struggles using your trauma asa reference point, helping to understand that
there is context there that we needto work through before you can move forward.
Okay, So now you're a Christiancreative, so we love to see

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that, and we're definitely in theseason where we're seeing them almost in every
arena now. So how do youintertwine your beliefs with your coaching methods?
So anytime somebody reaches out to mefor coaching, even if it's just like
a preliminary call, the first thingI do is pray for them. I'm
like, hey, I just wantto say a quick prayer for you so
that I can center a positive intentionand then I open the floor up for

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them to tell me whatever they needto tell me. And a lot of
times when do that, people arelike, wow, thank you for that,
Like it's been a long time sincesomebody prayed for me. And it's
not coming from a quote unquote churchyperspective, because, believe it or not,
a lot of people have been traumatizedin church. You know. People

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don't like to say that part outloud, but I'm always going to call
a spade a spade. I grewup in church, and so I know
that church kurt and trauma that comesfrom church can be very real and a
lot of times it swims under therug and not deal with. But prayer
is something that I used to justlet them know that I'm connected to you
heart to heart and that this isa safe space for you to share whatever

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you need to share. Another thing, too, is that some of my
clients do come from a faith basedbackground and they are looking for the connection
of the guidance of Scripture into thesituation that they're dealing with right now as
an anchor point for them to beable to move through and move forward.
And so one of the best thingthat you can do and This is something

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that I actually learned from reading theTestament and the way that Jesus approach people
is you have to meet people wherethey are. Yeah, a lot of
times we come to people thinking aboutwhat they need to do and where they
need to be and what they shouldhave could have would have done by now,
and it's like, Okay, that'snot where they are today. So
you have to let understand where peopleare today, meet them where they are,

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and then feed them, serve them, and then allow them heal and
recover before they can move on todo greater things. Absolutely, And because
I like to how you kind oftell them from a different perspective, like
you know, I'm gonna so youallow them to tell you, to ask

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you to incorporate scripture into the untilyou into your until your method versus just
like you know what I'm saying,letting them decide whether you know what I'm
saying, kind of give them theoption, but you're gonna pray for them
regardless, which is good because themregardless. And then you know, most
of the times, if I showup on social media, so I can
show up anywhere, I can showup on the war path, I can
show up. You know out andabout. Usually I'm sitting at my desk

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and I don't know if you cansee this, but right behind my desk
there's this h letterboard and it's beenthere forever like this is my so my
backdrop. This is like my pandemicbackdrop. Everything was on zoom right,
you know, and you had allthese meetings and so this has been there
for like three years. And it'sjust a personal script that just was meaningful

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to me, and I haven't thoughtanything more about it. But I'm always
surprised when I get inboxes or referencesor comments if people are like, oh
my gosh, I just looked atthat scripture. That's such a good scripture,
and I'm like what, oh,oh, you know, so I
don't shy away from, you know, the scripture that I have for the

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audio only people, as Joel twotwenty five, And it's a script that
talks about that God will restore theyear that the locus have eaten away.
And so sometimes we think that it'stoo late for us to turn around,
or that man if I had knownthis in twenties, if I hadn't known
this in my thirties, then youknow. But I've missed my beat.
No, you can miss you beat, baby, because God can turn that
thing around at any age, anydecade, at any time, and He's

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true to that. You know,when I tell people I'm in my middle
FID forties, people are like,for real. I'm like, yes,
baby, I'm an anti status.I know I don't look it, but
I am. Okay, and justone of those things that God is stored
the years, and He's giving methe energy and the passion, the verve
to show up in this season oflife and serve people in this way and

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not allow all of the things fromthe past, all of my promise and
what have you, to be thedefining point of my life. And so
I just use it as a personalreminder to myself. But I'm always encouraged
when people find encouragement in it aswell. Well, yeah, I was
gonna say, black don't crack.We always know that, but we see
it. And so and then youfrom Chicago, right, yes, sir,

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Okay, see I'm from St.Louis. So I'm down the street.
So you know, okay, okay, good time four or five hour
drive? I got you? Yeah, no, for sure. So now,
because this is industry plant and wefinally ended the industry. Plant.
I've been asking all my guests andmy interviews this this whole time. If
you could be a plant, whatplant would you be? And why?

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Oh boy, if I could bea plant, what plant would I be?
And why I'm going to go withalo? I would go and be
I would be alow plant. Ilove the idea that everything that we need

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to live to thrive already exists,So we didn't always have pharmaceutical companies,
you know. And don't get mewrong, I'm not knocking modern science.
I'm knocking Western science and the advancementsbecause it has saved a lot of people.
At the same time, there's alsothis capitalist structure that benefits from people

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being sick, you know, andand scares them to drugs and prescriptions instead
of natural remedies. You know.It's like we don't learn about those things,
just like go to the doctor andthen go get drugs. And so
an allo plant has so many healingproperties, you know, a lot of
times, and growth properties, andso if you burn yourself, if you
get a bug bite, you know, you can use that to expedite healing.

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But a lot of times you canactually taken allo plant and in oil
throwing some robary and it becomes ahair growth oil. Like a lot of
people don't know that there's so manyproperties in that plant that just allow for
not just beauty but also heal andgrowth. And I feel like that's part

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and parcel to my personality and mycalling, and so people come to me
for healing and growth, and soI would say I'm a plant, okay.
And what I loved about this project, this whole series, is the
fact that every episode somebody said somethingdifferent. Nobody said the same thing,
Like everybody has something. I heardof a contree, I heard the cactus.

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I didn't heard at all. Andsee that you know people are happy
to or that they know their plants. I guess I don't know. I
guess I ask the good questions withthat, all right, So I'm going
to ask you a few words,and I want you to tell me the
first thing that comes to mind,and there's no right or wrong answer.

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Are you ready? I am ready? All right. When you hear the
word produce, what's the first thingthat comes to mind? Soil? When
you hear the word pro create,what's the first thing that comes to mind?
Birth control? And when you hearthe world reproduce, what's the first

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thing that comes to mind? Way, maybe that was the previous one.
When I hear the word reproduce,what's the first one that comes to replicate?
Okay, okay, So I wentahead and got the definitions for I
did do producer, which is apersonal company of country that makes, grows,
or supplies do this as a commoditiesfor sale. Produce is calls a

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particular result of situation that happened orcoming to existence. Pro create. I
didn't do the definition, but Iwent with the synonym, which is multiplied
and reproduce creates something very similar tosomething else, especially in different medium or
avenue. So okay, you knowit was pretty close, which is still
good. But yes, so nowtrack nine for y'all, remember we did

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go over producer along with Harvest.But although this episode set us more around
procreate and reproduce, I still believethat to reproduce is still produce. So
I still believe that we can kindof time together. So let's see how
we do that as we go along. But let's get into what does this
have to do with mental health?Because people, you know, we always

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try to ask and I always havean assence. So before we get into
that, many people struggle with understandingtheir high purpose, you know with God,
and you already stated yours, andyou understand yours, how did you
How do you align your gifts withtheir with your personal brand or with their
personal brand? So I truly believewhen you are spirit led, And some

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people don't recognize spirits. Some peoplejust feel like it's their intuition, like
a knowing in their gut or youknow it, So people fallow it and
recognize the different things. But myexperience has been I haven't. I have
never known peace until it was obedientto what I was being asked to do,

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and only chaos. You know.It's like everybody that I have known
that's tried to run from their callingexperienced some sort of disruption in their life,
disruption of harmony, disruption of ofpeace and joy, like they could
not get right until they answered thecall. You know, It's like,
uh, what's my boy? Jonah? Jonah was not about that life.

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He ran an emplete opposite direction,and you know he found himself in some
dire, dire straits, you know. So I alignment is very important to
me and the way that I alignedit with my personal brand is I don't
try to be everything to everybody.You know, there's a word everything that
says my sheep hear my boys,and they know me. I feel like

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when you have a calling to something, you are called to a specific flow.
You are never called to yourself.You're never called for yourself. It's
always for the betterment or furtherment ofsomebody else to get what they need to
where they want to go. Andso my sheep will hear my voice and
they will know me. Some peoplehear my voice in black. I ain't
trying none of that, and great, They're belong to a different shepherd,

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and I'm good with that. ButI always show up and speak authentic truth,
and the people that need to hearit always hear it. And I've
also learned to divorce myself from theoutcome. That doesn't mean I care about
the outcome, because I'm always careful. You know, when you're talking about
Trump, informed care and you haveto provide safe spaces and tread lightly and
understand that people have been through things, So of course you care about the

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outcome in that sense. But whenI say divorce myself from the outcome.
I'm not going back tracking metrics,even though you know this is to the
grind of business coaches. They're like, how can you track? You gott
use the you gotta I get it, but I don't. I don't create

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content for metrics. I don't createcontent for the likes and the clicks.
I create content that I know wasgoing to speak to somebody's problem, that
it's going to speak to somebody's issue, that's gonna inspire somebody to get out
with the hump, And so Idivorce myself from the outcome in that,
in which case, I know thatwhenever I throw thesecs out, just the

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scriptures, some of them are gonnaland in hard places. Some of them
are gonna land in good soil andtake root and grow. But it's like,
whoever has an ear to hear,let them hear. And so I
pay peace with that. And it'snot all about likes and clicks, because
when you get into that business,then you start people pleasing and performing and
trying to pander to get applause,and I'm just not about that life.

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I mean shade to anybody who doesthat. I mean, dude, you
gotta do to pay your rent,but that's just not my life. I
kind of correlated and not necessarily thecharacter of Hannah Montana what I mentioned earlier,
because she made her own music,but it does it is synonymous with
a lot of these people in theseindustries and even in these podcasts industries.

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As I said several times when I'mkeep saying that whole episode in season five
about how I said podcasting, it'sa new rap gang. And with that,
there are people who are signed tolabels and stuck in three sixty DALs.
There are people who come up withtheir ideas and their label or slide
them up paper and say, wethink you should talk about this. So
I think that you know, that'sjust what the industry is. It's either

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it's a it's a spiritual war goingon. Not so many people can see
it, but that's what it is. And it's either you on this side
or you're on that side. Andif people think, oh, I'm in
the middle, you really not,because when you're in the middle, you're
saying you on the other side.So I think that even with that,
people get caught up in not knowingtheir brain, not knowing what works,
and then they just like why I'mgona just do twenty different things because I'm

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gonna try to one of these thingsthat's gonna work. And my message to
anybody is find what works for youand run with it, but make sure
that it does not malign your character, and make sure that it does you
know, it matches who you areas a person. Now, what are
some common challenges your client's face andhow do you guide them in discovering their

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purpose and help them to pursue theircall. So a lot of times and
I want to clarify something, Iwant you to define, if I can,
just to put on my nerd hatfor a minute, trauma, because
I think that's one of those wordsthat kind of gets like overused. And

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so a trauma is anything that occurswhere it consists of three parts. There's
an event, there's an experience,and then there's the effects. So it's
event, experience effects. Perfect example, if you are walking through your house
minding your own business and your littlebrother jumps out of the closet and scares

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the living daylights out of you,that's the event. Okay, So what
happened your brother jumped out the closetsand what was the experience it's scared the
living daylights out of you. Sobrother jumps out of the closet, experienced
scares of living daylights out of you. It only becomes trauma if now when
you walk through the house, you'relike looking around the corners, or you

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don't want to go past that door, or you know, your heart starts
beating fast. Now you have effects. Now it has impacted your life after
the event, after the experience.Now it has changed how you live in
your house, okay. And sowhen we're talking about traumas, yeah,
we go through events and we haveexperiences with it, but when it's lingering,

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that's where we struggle, and sometimeswe don't even know that that's why
it's it's lingering. And so alot of the issues that my clients have
dealt with are usually abandonment type issues. So one or more parent was not
around, and how they experienced thatis I'm not worthy, okay, because

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if I was, then my parentswould have been around, or they would
have been more loving or more availableto me emotionally available to me. But
they weren't, so I must notbe worth anything. And then they don't
think anything of it until they getinto adulthood and now all of a sudden,
the kinds of relationships, you know, Now they're anxious like does this
person like me? Does are weokay? You know, and they start

(30:37):
behaving in ways not even understanding theconnection to something that happened way way back.
So there's abandonment issues. There's issuesabout being traumatized by social messaging women
in particular, Oh that if youdon't look like a supermodel, if you
know, you show any signs ofaging or childbirth or anything like that,

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it's like you are less than.You know, social messaging that says if
you're not married, then you arethen your life is less, you know,
And that all of those types ofkind of toxic troops that people are
walking around feeling like they are lessthan, that their lives are not what
they ought to be because they're listeningto this social messaging that tells them that

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they are less. People struggle withfear and doubt, okay, fear and
out lack of confidence, don't feelthey have all these ideas and all these
great things, and they're living atat below sea level because they're afraid to
launch out into the deep end.And really struggle with faith it's like,
I trust God. I believe God, but it's that acting on that faith

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that I'm really struggling with. Andso those are are some of the more
common things that my clients tend todeal with. You know, have you
noticed it's like a generational thing becauseI look at like my parents, and
they come from the generation of getyou a job with benefits and there you

(32:08):
go. So I've made comments tofeminies in the past. I was like,
we might as well call you apilgrim because you love to settle,
because that's all you do. It'ssettle you okay with just this, And
it's like, why not have that? And it's just like, why are
you okay just settling right here?And so I've always wondered that, but

(32:34):
I understand it's just the generation becausethe younger millennials are different with that,
and then gen Z that's a wholenew ball game. So that's just you
know, that's all over the place, but in a good way. I
do want to say this though,in fairness for the record, there is
nothing wrong with you know, honestday's work, honest day's pay. Come
home to your house and your houseis full of peace and love, and

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joy and that it's not on socialmedia and that sort of thing. And
so I think that's kind of oneof the unfortunate byproducts of social media is
that all of a sudden, wehave a window into all of these amazing
things quote unquote that are allegedly happening, not realizing that a lot of influencers
that will be like, oh,I got this great thing from Target.

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They never bought it, they justshowed it to you, and you're like,
oh, that's something that I haveto have, you know, tag
still on it, and going backa lot of these hashtag relationship goals,
you know, you don't see thefight that happened an hour before that picture
got taken, you know. Andso it's just like, so I am

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a child of grew up in theeighties, you know, so pre social
media. Hello, somebody, therewas such a thing as pre social media.
And I'm so glad that I grewup in that time because I made
a lot of mistakes as a youngperson, and they were not on blast,
they were not up for public consumption. You know. I think about

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the situation with a young lady inAlabama, Carly Russell, and in no
defense of anything, that she did. I don't know why she did,
what the motivations were, but it'sit's none of my business. But the
thing is the reason why we knowabout it, the reason why it reached
the naws. That's how our societyis set up. Now there's a window

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into things that ordinarily she could havemade that mistake back in my day.
Oh lord, am I all enoughto say that? Oh, let me
get the o my mouth. Okay, But back in my day, when
you were in your twenties and youdid dumb stuff like that, it stayed
in Alabama. It stayed right whereit was. It was localized. But
now you've become a national scorn.You've become a national Some people are saying

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embarrassment and shame on you, andlook at what you're doing to the culture
and all of that. See,once upon a time, it wasn't like
that. And so just even themental strain that comes along with all of
this heightened visibility can be very stressful. So just I just want to go
on, are gonna say if youlive in your life, drinking your water,
mint of your business and you're notputting your life up for public consumption.

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On social media, there is nothingwrong with that, go in peace
and live your life. Yeah,No, definitely I agree, I definitely
agree. I definitely agree. Andthen Carlity rosa situation that's funny. Did
you see her mug shot when shewas smiling? Now you didn't have to
go there, she was, shewas now. So according to along,

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how we correlating this with mental health. So the first way, it's emphasis
on community and support systems when itcomes to this what we're talking about.
So in the alignment with mental health, young millennials, especially my group,
young millen you mean, often facesocietal pressures that can lead to feelings of
isolation. By Foster and Gates,sense of belonging and community faith can provide
essential emotional support, promotion of purposeand meaning. Letting God God's more life

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can provide a sense of purpose anddirection. The idea of producing food and
ones life can align with feeling personal. And then young millennial men navigating the
complexities of modern life might struggle withx different questions. So then the third
one is focused on forgiveness, compassion, and self regulation. When alignment with

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the mental health, this virtual mindswith positive mental health practice like mindfulness,
empathy, and emotional regulation and youngmillenia men can find their teachings as tools
for coping with stress, anger,and different forms of anxiety. Now back
to you, So you you've alreadystated that you had we already know,

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I already know you have a faithforward, you know, approach when it
comes to wellness, branding and marketing. So when you come with, you've
already kind of briefly discussed your strategiesas far as you know. I know
what I'm saying is gonna reach somebody. I had somebody side up. On
track two, Jason Jackson talked abouthow he don't release anything unless God tells

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him to say, so he knowslike he just fully followed whatever God say.
He says it because he's a Christianblaze based influencer. So can you
probably say that that's probably your approachas well? Yeah, you know,
I remember minister told me once thatthe message hits the minister before it hits

(37:19):
the masses, right like it's soit's something that hits you before it hits
others. And something I realized aboutmyself and doing this work, which I
would have never said about myself beforeI actually started doing this work, is
that I have a heart for people. And so when I speak this is

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I'm a producer's worst nightmare, becauseI can sit in a room and I
can say, Okay, here's whatwe're gonna talk about this season, here's
here's the lineup. But if ifsomething shifts in my spirit and I got
to go in a different direction,I'm going in a different direction, regardless
of what is planned. That's notthat's not the download that I got,

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like case in point. And sometimesI've had to say some things that are
really unpopular. You know, Iknow a lot of people right now.
I know a lot of Christians rightnow that are struggling with the word or
the identity of Christian or Christianity,because there are some people who are calling
themselves Christians that are doing some hatefuljust hateful hate, field mindsets, activities,

(38:37):
discrimination, and it's like and they'restruggling because they're like, Okay,
I'm not that is not of God, that is I don't know what they're
doing over there, And I don'twant to be associated with those people.
But they're calling themselves Christians, andam I supposed to be calling my I'm
self a Christian. And so itgot to the point where once on my

(39:00):
platform, I said, listen,I'm gonna say this, I said,
and I'm willing to lose followers overthis. I said, But if you
call yourself a believer and your faithis a built on a foundation of love,
I said, when you are discriminating, harassing, vilifying, demonizing,

(39:20):
abusing, and targeting, I said, that is not love. That is
not love. I said, thoseare hate filled actions. I said,
in people who are loving need tostart calling it out for what it is,
you know. And I was prepared, you know, for my engagement
to drop off a cliff after that, but I couldn't not say it.
I could not not say it.I'm like, listen, I'm not getting

(39:43):
paid, you know, to beon this platform, but I would be
remiss. I'm not one of thosepeople that can just all right, everybody
keeps smiling and let's just keep theparty going and let's just act like that
didn't happen. I'm just not builtlike that, and you know, shout
out to people who are, butI'm not. Oh and lo and behold.
It was one of my most popularvideos and people was like, I'm

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so glad you said this. That'sright. I'm so glad you spoke out
because it's the truth and and justall of these things. And of course
there are always going to be ahandful of people that want to come to
you and be like, you're you'retrying to change the word. I'm like,
no, no, Like are weare we reading the same scripture?
Okay, because if we want toget real technical about it, the people

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that we would consider quote unquote sinners, those are not the ones who put
Jesus on the cross. Jesus puton the cross by religious people, church
folks. So we need to bereally careful with that, okay, in
terms of how we approach things.So I'm definitely one who I have a
I have content pillars, you know, I know what I want to talk
about in general, and I kindof try to stay on brand. But

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for the most part, Yeah,if I get something in my spirit that
I feel like needs to go outto the sheep, I'm obedient and I
give it to the sheep. Right. So that was a great segment.
Weren't even planning on that. Thankyou for the info. I'm gonna give
my tips or give my suggestions undermy views on that. In this section,
I challenged that he becomes a newchallenge. And we all know this

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section is to challenge kind of whatwe're talking about today. So before we
get into my first question, i'llsay this about that. It can be
hard because you know you're probably thinking, like, if I go out here
and say this, I'm gonna getcanceled. I've learned recently and I've internalized
you can't cancel me if you didn'tput me on. So even if these

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even if them three thousand people leaveand then I believe six thous gonna come
in their place. That's just howwhat I believe and how and my views,
honestly are. I'm I've been journeyingthrough just seeing stuff, and I

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don't believe a coincidence is whether it'sthings that I read, whether it's reading
your Bible, whether it's TV shows, whether it's movies, and I'm always
seeing people who say these things andare ostracized after. And you have to
have a tough skin no matter whatyou believe, to be on any platform.
And that's why I listen to peopletalking. They'd be like, yeah,

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when I'm making and I'd be like, well, we live in a
different world. Like you said backin your day, you have to have
talent. Back then you don't haveto have talent. Now you can just
kind of get famous for anything orbe known for anything. But then once
you get there, when people aretrashing you, tear you down, what
you're gonna do. I don't wantto get to that platform and have to
retreat. That's why I said I'mthankful the podcasting blow up season. When

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I was thinking it should have blowup in season four, it did blow
up in season five and then blowup in season six. That I'm seeing
what I'm seeing now because the seasonsI wouldn't have been ready and I would
have got chewed up and I couldgo back and forth with the best of
them, but in the same breath, it would have been one of them.
You're right, you know what Imean, and I'm quick to call
myself out, but I think thatit's important to know your audience, know

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what you're talking about, and beable to stand for challenges. And now
that's why I love this segment becauseI intentionally ask questions that's gonna trigger that
conversation and debate. So now whenwe're talking about reproduction and reproducing as far
as it with the plant and thataspect, and we're talking about this,
and we're challenging that what happens whenwhen we are producing or reproducing the wrong

(43:31):
message or the wrong content. Somy stance is I'm quick to say come
out and say, y'all, look, I made a mistake. I was
wrong. You know, my bad. What would be your advice to somebody
who may be struggling maybe in thatarea of they have to kind of counteract

(43:52):
their statement. They may have to, you know, therapy, apologize and
let's keep it to just just justregularly like says for us, that you
have a client who's talking about hermama and she want to get her mama
or her husband or they want toget their wife, and they have to
apologize. What would be your stepby self process for your client in that

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essence. So anytime there is conflictor disruption or what have you, the
first thing that I'm going to do, and the first thing that I advise
other people to do is take doa self assessment, like, hold on,

(44:37):
how did I contribute to this?Did I contribute to this? What
was my part? Okay? Like, what what was my part? And
sometimes it's not what you said.Sometimes it's what you didn't say should I
have spoken up? Should I haveset a boundary? Should I have you
know, established my intentions? Youknow, like, so what role did

(44:58):
I play in getting us here?And then you have to own it,
okay, because when you come topeople in conflict, people will hear you
better when you own your part,because one of the first things that people
will say if you come to themis the first thing they want to talk
about is but but you. Theywant to either deny it, defend it,

(45:20):
or deflect it. And talking aboutwhat you did is a deflection.
So if you just come and say, before I even begin, let me
just say I apologize or I'm I'mgoing to own the fact that I did
or didn't do A, B andC. So the first thing I'm gonna
say is you need to own yourpart. And a lot of times people
struggle with that because they feel likeif I own my part, then it
lets other people off the hook fortheir part. No, your stuff is

(45:45):
your stuff and their stuff is theirstuff. Okay, it's like and once
you own it people and own itfrom the perspective of not from you did,
because sometimes people apologize incorrectly with theI'm sorry you feel that way,
or i'm sorry you took it there, or i'm sorry you know you got

(46:08):
offended. That is not taking ownershipof what you did. Okay, So
when you do apologize, make surethat you not only are taking ownership for
what you did, because apologies canbe empty. You to be like,
okay, i'm sorry, because sometimespeople say that just to end the argument
or just to end the conflict.No, people want to hear okay.

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People want to know that you understandwhat you're apologizing for. So know what
you're apologizing for on your part,don't make it about the other person.
And then if you're and and ifyour apology's sincere, you know, then
it's it's up to them what theywant to do with that information. Okay,

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Because sometimes when we apologize, weexpect instant forgiveness. Instant forgiveness doesn't
always happen. Sometimes people need toheal some first. Sometimes people need to
recover first. Sometimes people need toprocess first. But you do your part,
because your part should be separate andapart from their part. If the
apology is sincere, it's about youtaking responsibility, not their response. Their

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response is their responsibility. But youmake sure you do your part good stuff,
good stuff. I think that that'sgood. I think I also like
how you said that. You know, people give blank apologies and it's easy
to do that because you're just like, let me just shut you up,
which is not okay, but peopledo it. They do it, and

(47:36):
you know, in some cases Iknow where I remember when I first went
to therapy the first time many yearsago, and that was just she I
remember she had made the comment.My therapist was just like, just take
accountability for stuff, even if theywere wrong, to just say you went
wrong here. And it can getdifficult when you take accountability and you watch
the other people. Not that thatcan be, but you can get to

(48:00):
the point I feel like where youmay just say, you know what,
I have to just create a boundarywith you like that because I see you're
not gonna take accountability even though Ido, so I just we just maybe
can't be cool like that because that'snot fair to me. Now, it's
not being fair to me, andyou aren't gonna have to explain it because
some people don't care what you haveto say. That's just and that's the
unfortunate reality, but it is whatit is. Now, how does this

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topic align with plants planting that wholespield. So the first is the process
of growth and development. So theplant metaphor is just like plants grow and
grow from a seed nurished by somethinglike water and soil, producer cultivated ideas,
creativities, or products. And thismetaphor has been using various leadership and
personal development literature, for instance,Stephen Covey's The Seven Habits of Highly Effective

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People likings personal growth and professional growthpersonal and professional growth to farming or gardening
where careful cultivation yields results. Now, let me ask this question, what
happens when you don't take care ofyour garden properly? So now let's get
out of the plants that face Soif we're talking about yourself, so let's

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say, just an example, we'retalking about podcasts and you don't take care
This is what you've been called todo, but you don't take care of
it properly. You know what I'msaying. You want to see growth,
You don't post enough, you don'tuse hashtags, you don't have a niche.
You just out here winging it,you know what I mean? And
sometimes winging it works. Sometimes itworks some of the biggest stars wings winging

(49:37):
it, But that don't work foreverybody. So what would be your tip
to someone who we can get outof podcast? And we could just say
you're guarding as far as their personallife, and we could say, how
do they cultivate a field or agarden that yields results consistent? See is

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the name of the game, andnobody wants to hear that. So here
is a fun fact. I thinksomebody was like asked the question, like,
so, if somebody offered you amillion dollars, or if somebody offered
you one penny compounded daily for thenext thirty days, what would you what

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would you take? And most peoplewere like the million dollars, not realizing
that that penny compounded daily. Sowhen one cent become two cent, and
two cent become four cent, andforcent become eight cent, and like by
day ten you only at like fivedollars, but by day like twenty nine,
you had like somewhere between two andfour million dollars, And then by

(50:43):
day thirty now you're at eight milliondollars. And this is where a lot
of people tend to lose momentum,is that they get to day ten and
they be like, man, thisain't popping. This ain't it. This
ain't what Like if you had stayedto the thirtieth day, you know,
if you had stayed you know,you you did something for thirty days and

(51:05):
you was like, man, it'staken too long, you know, But
had you stayed it, you know, Like, let's say it's trying to
get your your health together. Youwent to the gym for a month.
Do you know how if you hadwent to that gym for six months the
kind of results that you would haveyou you didn't see it, and so
because you did not see it,you walked away from it. If you're
gonna use the plant analogy, anyplant, any plant starts with the seed,

(51:28):
correct, But what do you putthat seed in the ground and it
stays there and it looks like nothingis happening, when in actuality, a
lot of things are happening. Youmay not be able to see the roots
taking uh, gathering nutrients. Youmay not be able to see it.
You don't see anything until it pushesitself through to the other side of the
soil. But in order for itto push through, it had to do

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a whole lot underground, below thesurface. When it wasn't cool, when
it wasn't hot, when it wasn'tsexy, when it was nothing to post
okay, when it was just dry. There was a whole lot going on
in order for that fruit to bear. And so if you decide like,
oh, I don't see nothing happen, so I'm gonna stop giving it,
like I'm gonna stop giving it water, then that is a form of self

(52:14):
sabotaged, like you basically cut yourown self off. You know. A
lot of times I saw this quoteones that said a lot of times we'll
ask God for cake and then weget mad when he gives those eggs,
butterflour, and sugar. It's likeyou got everything make the cake, okay,
you know, And it's it's thework that you have to do.
And so not only should you beconsistent, not only did you need to

(52:37):
be patient, but also you needto develop habits because one of the biggest
mistakes that people tend to make,and this is the idea out of that
book Atomic Habits by James Clear,is that people set goals like I want
to run a five k, andit's not about the goal of running a
five k. It really should beI need to become a runner. So

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it's not what you trying to do, it's who you need to become.
And by becoming that, by developingthe habits, what would a runner do?
How would a runner eat? Howwould a runner train? You become
and you end up inevitably end upmeeting the goals because you develop the habits
where you changed yourself and so alot of times it's not just about what
you want to do and what youwant to produce, but also who are

(53:20):
you willing to become in order forthat outcome to manifest this. Okay,
now let's go to the next one. Dependency on conditions and environment. So
our plants growth depends on this environment. Similarly, a producers success depends on
the conditions in which they operate,including the market, resources, and relationships.

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This metaphorical connection is often exploding businessliterature. Michael Porter's work on competitive
advantage look at how firms like plantsare influenced by their environment, including the
competition, supply chain in market conditions. So my logic years of my thing
is what happens when the conditions arebad? What happens when you know?

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Again, we're going back to podcast. If you know, you aren't seeing
the numbers. Maybe you've seen adecline. Maybe you're trying to wonder am
I doing this right? Or say, for instance, if you know personal
experience here, you did been inone situation for six years, you feel
like you heard God say it's timeto step out do something else. You

(54:24):
know, he gave you the schoolyou work that closed down with people so
they've never heard of And although Icould have went to another school and talk
somewhere else, it's like, let'sgo ahead and push the boundaries and let's
go do something else. And thenyou applying all these jobs, and you
know, looking for things to do. You're trying to be this right,
and you try applying appline, youkeep getting told no, you know you're

(54:45):
more than qualified. You're like,what is going on? And then it
finally clicks. You have to dothis all on your own instead of trying
to work for somebody else. Youhave to and maybe you might get some
remote too, part time, butyou need to fully invest in your PSA
the ghost right a solution, andthen that's what's gonna blow up. So

(55:09):
I think that's a good you know, transition, and going into the next
segment, which is the weekly sabbatical, and we know this is our time
to reflect awesome things. So nowlet me ask you this. You do
offer online courses, correct? Ido. I teach online workshops and seminars.

(55:30):
Okay, so how can people getinvolved in that? I'll get to
that if they want to. Thatis a fantastic segue because in the fall,
I'm going to be opening up thedoors to my mentoring program. And
so next week I am so thisis listen. This is probably gonna air

(55:51):
in October. Oh yeah, bythe time your listeners hear this, it'll
be too late. The doors willbe closed. However, however, there's
always a weight list that I'm always, you know, offering this I offered
two times a year, and sojoin the wait list. And the way
to do that is to go tomy social media at doctor Shanta Says on

(56:13):
Instagram and just click the link inmy bio and it will take you right
to where you can sign up.But I do a three month mentoring program
twice a year. And this isreally about doing exactly what you said,
you know, looking at your environmentduring that environmental assessment, because I truly
believe that good seeds cannot grow inbad soil, and so looking at things

(56:34):
that you need to uproot, lookingat weeds that need to get pulled up
out of your life, and doingthe necessary work of making the ground fertile
for you to grow and to thrive. And so there's that component. And
then I am always offering weekend workshops, so they're usually like on a Sunday
night, where they're going to befocused on things like building confidence, building,

(57:00):
community building, consistency and that sortof thing. So all of those
things you can find at doctor ChanteSales, or you can go directly to
the website and sign up for thosethings at Ready to Believe dot com.
Yeah, good stuff. So Ithink said you said, there'll be too
late, but like you said,it's always a wait list, and you

(57:21):
know, it's good to see that. I like how that even if people
I like to see people transition outof education, not saying that people can't
live there forever, not saying there'snothing wrong with people that do. But
then you feel your calls more.Sometimes education can be limiting. It can
just be kind of like this isit, and it's like you don't want
to be an administrator. You justwant to do what you know you really

(57:45):
want to do, so you leverageyour background as a college professor, writer,
and certified life coach to assist othersin personal branding. So how do
you feel education and life coaching areinterconnected and how do you use this synergy
to help others realize their personal vision? Education, well, so life coaching.
And this is a really good questionbecause people should understand the difference between

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counseling and coaching, right, So, counseling and therapy is about healing and
unpacking and understanding all the things thathave happened to you and how they are
impacting you and showing up in today'slife. However, some people do all
of that and they're like, nowwhat this is where I come in?
Okay, Because a coach is aboutforward motion. It's like where do you

(58:30):
go from here? And it's resultsfocused and building the kind of life that
is in alignment with your best andhighest self. And it's virtually impossible to
be your best and highest self whenyou're still kind of mired in the hurt
and anguish of some other things.And so, just like a sports team,

(58:52):
you can be a good player,but you might be injured and you
might be too hurt to play,and so that's where counseling and therapy comes
in. But once you have donesome work, you know you might not
be one hundred percent, but youknow you can get out there, you
can do some things. You canstart, you know, rehabbing your way
back into the game. That's whereI come in. And so and all
of that comes down to education,and so it's really about educating. What

(59:15):
educators do is we are curriculum based, and so we create lesson plans with
like here's what you need to doto meet these objectives, these learning objectives,
and so it really goes part andparcel to life coaching, like here
is the things that you need todo in order to meet your life objectives.
All right, So then my nextquestion would be with that, how

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has your faith and being a lifecoach? How does it and how has
it influenced your life coaching? Andthen can you tell about a personal story
how your faith helps you overcome anychallenges and life. So faith in life
coaching, it really has allow meto be a compassionate coach. There's all

(01:00:01):
different kinds of coaching. You knowthis from from sports, Like I used
to watch basketball tournaments in my highschool, and those coaches would be in
those boys faces, I mean,cussing them out, like what the elf
was you doing? And and sityour and and that sort of thing.
And I mean, I'm not Ican't say that it's not effective. I
mean because sometimes people that's what theyneed to hear, you know, in

(01:00:22):
order to light a fire under themor what have you. But I don't
do that. I tend to comewith a more compassionate approach. And what
people tend to find refreshing is thatthere's a no judgment zone in my coaching.
Like people have shared some really heavythings in sessions with me, and

(01:00:43):
things that they've been carrying for awhile and were too shamed to say out
loud, and then for them tofinally say it and it to be received
with empathy and compassion. They're like, you know, like that is just
a burden lifted and that is adirect result of my faith, because that's
how guy receives my my junk,you know, like you know, and
I'm like, okay, lord,all right, I'm just I'm just laying

(01:01:07):
on the line. I messed thatup. He's like, I know,
you did, I love you.Still don't do that no more, you
know, so I it's it's thatand then my faith overcoming a really tough
time. So once upon a time, I believe that you. I was

(01:01:27):
told, I'll say this, thatyou could either have Jesus or you could
have your therapist. You know,because if you had a therapist, that
meant that you wasn't trusting in theLord, right, And so the liberation
that I got, like completely fromthe Lord, he was like that is
not true? Like who told youthat? And then you know, even
in scriptures, like in a multitudeof counselors, they are safety. So

(01:01:51):
it's like, I've put these resourceshere for you. And so when I
started going to therapy and was ableto unpack things in an authentic way that
church doesn't always allow you to dobecause the truth of the matter is,
you know, while church might befull of well intentioned people, you have
to have licensure and training and youknow, a code of ethics and professional

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guidance in order to deal with someof these mental health issues and traumas,
and a lot of times, youknow, being blessed and highly favored,
it's just not going to help youin those areas. You don't know what
you're talking about, and you canend up doing more harm, which a
lot of people do. Okay,go and pray about it. Prayer is
a fantastic tool. It is phenomenaland it is one part of a larger

(01:02:37):
puzzle that might be necessary to helpyou get to where you want to go.
And so once I experience the liberationof therapy while being a believer,
I think that it not only helpedme tremendously but also helps me be a
better coach. And it's funny becauseit's so many area is where they thought

(01:03:00):
it was either one or the other, but it's like you really can use
both. It's not like you're sayingI'm using therapy and not using God too.
It's just saying I'm using therapy alongwith and if they do, it's
like an atomic bomb. I feellike if you mix them together, they
really are both. They both workif you especially if you use them together.
It's a powerful combination absolutely, allright. So with it being you

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want to be a person who producesgood fruit, reproduces well, I got
some tips, all right, andit comes from this article that I dissect
and it's called the Producer How toproduce lasting as to standing and eternal fruit.
It says God's plan for your lifemust be your plan for your life.
I'm gonna read that again. God'splan for your life must be your

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plan for your life. You cannotsay I mean you don't get it to
us. You may succeed if youdo something that he didn't tell you to
do, but you'll never have thegreatest success that you would like to see,
or you wonder why you never seesuccess and you keep going right at
the same mountain. Remember, Godis not obligated to bless what he never
started Jeremy twenty nine eleven. Itsays, for I know the thought that
I think towards you, said theLord, the thoughts of peace and non

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of people to give you an expectedin. So that's one way. The
other ways you must commit to followingthe steps that were put in you.
Many people attempt to make their ownway. Then it says that you must
commit to being diligent. Diligent iscareful, consistent work, and effort.
She already put that out there earlier. So you have to be consistent in

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what it is you are to do. Your circle must who has an ear
is very important. I'm a firmbeliever of your circle. I think that
I'm always I've always had different circlesand always had different groups of friends,
and some people, you know,you might just have to accept may have
to fall off permanently so temporarily.But you know, I've been good with
not allowing people to alter my plans. But in the same breath, it's

(01:04:53):
just better to be around people whoget it. If that makes sense.
You must commit to being to beingtoo. You must commit to persevere,
and this means to do something justby difficulty or delay and achieving success.
This is definitely a word for meright now to keep going even though you
not necessarily seeing they like it's supposedto be all the way, but just

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knowing that it's there. And thenthe seventh one where she's brought up several
times, he'll commit to your healing. You will never be able to produce
last and fruit or reproduce if youdon't commit to being healed. So I
think that most people say that they'rehealed and then they're really not. And
if you think about it, thenyou get mad at it all over again.

(01:05:38):
That's a sign you're not healed,all right. So now let's move
into the final segment, which isgame time. All right, this game
is called Producer Credits. I'm gonnaname a few scenarios and I want you

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to tell me whether or not thisperson is should deserve producer critics, or
whether or not a matter of fact. No, we're gonna ask whether or
not you will allow God to gethis producer critics, or or you'll say
it was a man made producer.Does it make sense? That makes sense?
Okay, now you was about tosay something you want to add on
it before we play the game,Just that you know, triggers are real,

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and triggers are a part of healing. Sometimes you have to heal from
something more than once, because sometimesyou know you have gotten some distance from
it, you've gotten some perspective,you've gotten some wisdom, and then you
roll up on the situation or rollup on the person again and you feel
some kind of way. You know, it's almost kind of like re injuring,
like a wound, and so youmight be like, Okay, it's

(01:06:45):
not as bad as it was thefirst time, but I definitely might need
to go back and go through mysteps and set my boundaries and things like
that. So you know, triggersare a natural part. It doesn't mean
that you haven't made progress, butjust know that it's a journey. Yeah.
Absolutely. And I heard something thatsaid one time that forgiveness is actually
an action and even if your spirithasn't caught up to it, that it's

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an action that you're taking. Andso that you know, you made the
choice to forgive, like you madethe choice to stay mad, and now
you have to force your emotions tocatch up to the action that you made
to choosing to forgive and not reallyinternalizing that you're not letting them off the
hook. But it's just really foryou. That's really good. All right.
So now the producer credits game somethingnay scenario. So the first scenario,

(01:07:35):
a person grows glows up in theirmusic career. They're getting they're getting
all the hit songs, all thehit accolades, and all the hit records,
but they were called to be ateacher. Can God get producer credits
or no, that's that's them.Dang, that's how So you're gonna give

(01:08:02):
me this stink I because my answerhere's gonna be like my answer for like
all of these questions. Right,you know, God has like a perfect
will, and he has like apermissive wheel, right, so sometimes he
allows things to happen, Like Godcan hit straight with crooked lines, and
so even though we might diverge fromthe path, we ultimately always end up

(01:08:23):
where we are. So that mightthe music person that might be where they
at today, and maybe through thatmusic, educational initiatives or endeavors will come
out, or they might end upteaching music. So I'm gonna say that
ultimately they're gonna end up where they'resupposed to be. Okay. The next
one asks about a person who isconstantly putting out great content and not getting

(01:08:45):
the results they want it, butthey know that God told them to do
this. Definitely, God can getproducer credits, like God told Jeremiah to
like preach and Jeremiah didn't convert onesoul and Jeremiah was tired and fed up.
He was like I'm over it,I'm done. But then yeah,
it got back in it because itwas like it was like fire shut up

(01:09:08):
in my bones, like I justI had to do it, you know.
So I'm gonna give God producer creditsin that one too, because it's
not about the outcome, it's aboutyour obedience. Somebody who is a therapist
creating a bunch of online courses aswell as teaching, but they know that
they won't be a teacher for muchlonger. To everything, there is a

(01:09:29):
season, so God can get thecredit out of that too. Absolutely,
all right, good stuff, allright, So let's get into the final
question and challenge for this series,which is, in this current season of
life, what do you feel youare called to produce? And I want
you to tell me. Answer thisquestion you win money. And it also

(01:09:50):
forces you to really think outside thebox and really look at you and see
what you supposed to be doing inthis season. Because I have been hearing
lately you know you won't get whatyou're looking for to you do the last
thing you was called to do.So keep that in mind, people,
all right, So before we goto that, anything is you want to
leave us with, before you knowyou go only that I realize that sometimes

(01:10:15):
therapy can be cost prohibitive. Youknow, not everybody has good health medical
insurance, not everybody has the outof pocket costs to be able to talk
to a therapist. And so inthe event that that is your situation,
a lot of times sometimes your employeebenefits. So there's something called the employee

(01:10:36):
Assistance program where you're already it's alreadypaid for, your company has already covered
it, and they offer these freeservices to you. Might be a good
place to start. Also, thereare tons of books that you can get
out of your local library on healing. One of my favorites is what Happened
to You by doctor Bruce Perry.So if you have ever experienced some sort

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of trauma and wondered about the effectsthat it has on your brain and your
relationships, what Happened to You wasa good one if you are unsuccessful in
romantic relationships. Attached is a goodone by a Mere Levigne, and it
talks about the ways that you formattachments to people based on how you were
raised in your childhood and the waysthat maybe you might have been abandoned or

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neglected, and so learning your attachmentstyle is really helpful. So a lot
of times when we talk about mentalhealth, people instantly think therapy, but
lots of things can be therapeutic.Books can be therapeutic, podcasts can be
therapeutic. Art can be therapeutic.You know, if you don't have a
place in your life where you arebeing creative or a place where you can

(01:11:40):
play find time to play, andthat can also be therapeutic as well.
And it's crazy how things work outbecause in track eight a question was asked,
but my guests will be a suggestionto somebody who couldn't afford therapy and
it wasn't in their worth benefits.And I said, well, I ain't
the professional, but I'm a findout and we just found out. So

(01:12:03):
all right, so thank you forcoming today, Thank y'all for tuning in
to these tracks. Next week,we're gonna take a week off before we
get to the rest of the episodes, just so y'all can I can be
compressed and also we can kind ofI can use the content from the episodes
kind of republish because y'all need tosee all of them. So PSA,
signing out. I always remember keepahead of liking that, Kurt, remember
who you are making mind up,don't let it make you and I love

(01:12:26):
us for real, all right,y'all, So I'm betting on myself even

(01:12:50):
more. We already knew about theghost further solution, right, well,
guess what the ghost further solution isnow? On five? That is right.
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some rappers and like singers and songwritersor guess what I am the podcast ghostwriter?
What does that mean? Content foryour website, any show notes,

(01:13:11):
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thing podcast relay that requires writing.I can do it. You can also
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