Cognitive Dominion: Media Override

Ryder Lee guests on Tim Constantine's Six Sensory Podcast.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
My guest today is the host of Raised by Giants podcast.
He's also a documentarian. His latest film, A Clockwork Shining,
can be found on Amazon Prime. I've seen it. I
recommend it. My guess is rider Lee. Welcome back to
the show Man.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Thanks for having me on. Tim glad we can make
it happen. And I'm excited to be here. I'm excited
to talk about all the conspiracies. Do Yeah, let's go
all over the place. Some seltra, some psychic stuff, some
psychic spice stuff. Let's get it, bro I'm ready.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, Yeah, let's get it. That's what I'm I try
to talk about. I don't get to talk about it
as as much as i'd like, you know, stuff pertained
to the MKULTU and and all that. I'm really into
the subject. And I'll just go back to your documentary
for a second, because I really did like that. I mean,
when you came on the first time, I wasn't just
blowing smoke. I really liked the documentary it was. It

(00:56):
was awesome. And occasionally, you know, I'll i'll hear or
I'll see something that reminds me of stuff I've seen
in your film, because you guys laid out so much
pertinent info, but lately it's been like Diddy and these
rappers this music thing, right, Like are these guys cia
or what it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well, that's one of the things that we talk about
within the documentary as well. And like you said, it's
chucked full of it's not just Stanley Kubrick in the
Shining and you know, a clockwork Orange becausen't even of
the movie. It's called A Clockwork Shining Kubrick's Odyssey three.
It's a quase sequel to Jay Whitener's first two movies,

(01:36):
you know, examining Stanley Kubrick and the faking of the
moon landing and everything that he was doing. So this
is like a unofficial sequel, but also an official sequel
like a trilogy that kind of you know, closed chapter
on his h on his Cubic trilogy.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
So but you can watch it as a standalone film,
but you can also go back, and I think that'd
probably be the way to do it, is to start
with the first two.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Someone interviewed me after they had watched well they hadn't
watched my movie yet, but I reached out to them
and I was like, hey, check out my movie on
Amazon Prime. It's also on Tube Now, Apple TV Plus
as well. But I reached out to them. I was like, hey,
check out my movie and bring me on your show
so we can talk about it and all that. And
he had never even seen The Shining before. He never

(02:29):
watched The Shining before, and I was like, oh my god, bro,
you were retreat. So what he did is he went
halfway through my movie, then he watched the half of
The Shining, like Stanley Kubrick's The Shining, and then he
finished my movie. Then he finished The Shining, and I
was like, Bro, that's a heck of a way to.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Do it, dude. Yeah, is that the way?

Speaker 2 (02:51):
I don't know, that's what he did. That's the way
he did it. And he was like, Oh, all this
stuff makes sense because he pretty much got everything all
at once, you know, because there's so many theories and
so many different ideas surrounding Stanley Kubricks of Shining. I
think that we did an amazing job rapping all of

(03:11):
that together and also presenting new theories as well. And
that's really what I wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean it got me wanting
to see the Shining again as well. I can see
how that worked. Like he got halfway through your film,
I was like, Okay, I go, I gotta go watch
the Shining revisit this. But you guys are feeling in.
You guys are connecting dots in a major, major way.
And I think I told you this last time, Like

(03:38):
I not to rehash that conversation we had, but you know,
I think I made mention of this. Once you get
into your documentary some I don't know, maybe twenty minutes
or something like that, that's when you start getting into
this Laurel Canyon music thing. And that was like I
was like, oh man, I don't know, I just I
really love that part because I'm super fast with that

(04:00):
whole that whole scene really from from Jim Morrison to
like Crosby Stills a Nash like Crosby was a rich kid,
like a rich kid, you know. Jim Morrison's dad, of course,
was to help kick off the Vietnam War. He was
involved with the Gulf of Talking, and then all these
other musicians, even Zappa, all the Laurel Canyon people, like

(04:23):
Zappa was like a rich kid apparently, and Zappa was
using like we can maybe get into this song of day.
He had telltale signs of being a part of an
MK ulture program because what he was doing was he
had several locations where he would he he became like
the party house. Right at some point he went and

(04:43):
got a cabin and they called it like, I don't know,
the party gabin or whatever. Everybody who was anybody was
coming through there. He was dishing out LSD to them
and he wasn't taking it. He was like a handler
and like who else did that? Charles Man and did that? Yep,
And it's almost like somebody taught them to do that. No, no, no, no,

(05:06):
that's what you do is we'll give you a we'll
give you this huge supply. You'll be the party man.
Everybody will come to you, everybody will love you. You'll be
in control of the situation. Just don't take it, you know,
like they told them the ropes.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yep, don't get high on your own supply. Jim Jones
was also involved in with the CIA as well. Apparently
the CIA was giving him drugs and and we know
how the Jim Jones situation all shaked out. So a
lot of these people are all involved. If they're not
involved with a three letter organization. They're involved with some

(05:42):
sort of military industrial complex, uh operation, We're sure a
lot of these events like you can just pretty much
put your money down and bet that it's some sort
of op that they're running. And then when you look
into like m. K Altar and stuff, you you see
the operation Midnight Climax is also involved with a lot

(06:04):
of the things that are happening right now. I mean
the Diddy thing that was like apparently there was some
footage that was involved with that. So you had the
three main people that have went down over the past
what eight years now. The first one was Jeffrey Epstein, right,
and that was like the political side in the political angle.

(06:27):
And then you had that producer, the Hollywood producer guy
what was his name, Theerstein, Yes, Weinstein. You had Weinstein,
which was like the Hollywood version of that. Then you
had Diddy, which is the music industry. So you have
all three of those people all sections of everything, right,

(06:49):
like the three sections of the industries that are the
most popular movies, music, plot, politics, right.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
And was the first one you mentioned that.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Was well, Jeffrey Epstein. It might have been more first,
but Epstein was charged in I think two thousand and
seven or something like that, and then he got then
he they when he went to presented. Then he was
out every single day on doing whatever you want to do.
He only had to be in president.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Like night, right, right, right.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
But he was kind of the first person that we
kind of heard about. And then Weinstein got hit with
the Me Too movement, which was the Hollywood movie industry,
and then Diddy which is the music industry. So it's
just it's kind of sus to me that they're picking
just one person out of each one of these industries
when how many ditties do you think that there are.

(07:40):
I'm sure there's a lot of ditties out there. I'm
sure there's a lot of Epstein's out there. And when
you look at like the MK Ultra Midnight Climax, Operation
Midnight Climax, that was essentially what Jeffrey Epstein was doing
before Jeffrey Epstein even was born or he was even
doing what he was doing, right, and that climax was

(08:04):
they would give drugs to political figures, high politicians, and
then in a hotel room where the hotel room was
completely bugged, they were filming the political figures through a
two way mirror in the act with these prostitutes, so
it doubled as like an information operation but also as

(08:25):
like a blackmail operation.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Because they're also.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Filming them, so they're not only trying to extract information
out of them to see, oh, well, what what are you?
Are you going to tell top secret information or whatever
kind of information to these prostitutes that you know that
you do their prostitutes, who cares?

Speaker 1 (08:43):
You know?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Whatever are you going to tell them? Are you going
to give them any kind of information? And then also
we're filming you, bro, We're also filming you and whatever
you're doing with a two way through a two way mirror.
And this was mostly due to Meyer Lanski was doing this.
Myer Lansky was essentially the first Jeffrey Epps. And that's
kind of just taking its own form and like modern

(09:03):
day with like the Diddy stuff and like with the
Epstein stuff, it's just a it's a rehashed version of
what the CIA was already doing back in the sixties
and seventies.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
My iret landscape is like a mobster, right, yes, who
may have been a double agent or at least acted
as one. I mean, that's the thing I mean, I
don't want to go down this road because I like
where we're headed. But like, if you do go back
and look into the mob, you'll see that those guys
were definitely working with government, A lot of them were,

(09:35):
and CIA because the CIA, you know, well we know
this now, but they have been a big part of
what they do is get bringing drugs into the country.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
And that's another thing that's connected. I don't mean interrupt you,
but that's another part that's connected to this whole thing.
The exact same thing that you're talking about right now
is the exact same thing that they did with the drugs. Right.
If you can't beat them, you join them. There's nothing
that they could do about the mob, so they became
the mob. Okay. There was nothing that they could do
about the cocaine coming in from Puerto Rico in the Florida,

(10:05):
So what do they do. They become drug traffickers.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Okay, yeah, the Tom Cruise movie.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, they could not stop it, so therefore they just
started doing it.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
M what's that Tom Cruise movie where he's the drug
runner I know you're talking about, and he was in
Arkansas doing that he had and the guy it's based
on a dude in real life who was really doing
that out of Arkansas with ties to Bill Clinton who
was governor at the time. Yeah, this is all a
big old mangled web man. And I think that somebody

(10:36):
going back to like this whole how you laid it
out two way mirror filming prostitutes all that somebody or
somebody's somewhere has a big old library of this stuff.
They've got files going back who knows how far on
people in power. It might even go back fifty years.

(10:59):
So it's like who whoever that person is, or whoever
that person is involved with and working for, is who
is almost like the ultimate puppet master here? And like, honestly,
I kind of wonder, like with recent stuff that's happening
right now, I wonder, who's you know, this whole Epstein
business this? Are we going to release it? Are we

(11:21):
not going to release it? It's gotten the waters have
gotten murky. Just makes me wonder how big is that library?

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Right?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Well, well, not only that dude, It's like, okay, if
you're if you're this is the way that it would
go in my mind. Okay, you would do all this
stuff official officially, right, You would experiment with all this stuff.
Just like we know about all the mk Ultra programs,
we know that those all went down, there's several other

(11:48):
subprojects with all the documentation got burned. So there was
probably over around three hundred subprojects, but around half of
them got destroyed, so we don't even know what those
other ones actually were. We only know about the one
hundred and forty nine that we actually have access to it.
But what you would do is you would do it
in an official capacity and you would run it as

(12:10):
an experiment, and whichever ones were successful, you would then
lease those experiments to private companies, private contractors, private government organizations. Okay,
just like what they did with a lot of the
mk ultra stuff. They would they leased a lot of
it to Canada, so they give it to private corporations
to where they wouldn't have to they would not be

(12:32):
subjected to any kind of FOIA request, they would not
have to come out and say exactly what they're doing
because it's a government contractor they are not. They don't
abide by the same laws that the government abides by.
So you would do these experiments, these types of operations.
You would figure out what works, what doesn't work. And
then you would hand that information over to a private

(12:53):
government contractor. Okay, then the private government contractor can do
whatever they want with that information. Then they can run
their own experiments, but they wouldn't be experiments then because
experiments had already been done. They would just be able
to full fledge, full scale do it. Okay, So the people,
So then that's whenever you get in contact with Jeffrey
Epstein like figure, that's whenever you get in contact with

(13:15):
a Diddy like figure. So they're not directly connected to
those people. There's several middlemen in between those people and
the actual government, or the actual through that organization, or
the actual military. Okay, so it's military funded through a

(13:36):
private corporation that is doing this stuff a government contractor.
So that the government's hands are clean, right, they're clean
because they have no paper trail. They're just giving money
to this private government contractor that is not lawfully they
don't have to disclose any information off to the side.

(14:00):
It's exactly like, that's the way that it's done, and
that's the way that they that they don't have to
come out and say, oh, this is what's going on,
even though we know exactly what's going on. That's the
reason that they can say that there is no Jeffrey
Epstein files, because according to them, there is not, Okay,
because it's been they don't have because somebody else has

(14:24):
all the information. Right, someone else, a private government contractor,
has all the stuff. They don't actually have it, though
they might be aware of it. I'm sure that they're
aware of it and they know that it exists. But
the reason and the way that they're able to say
that they don't is because they it's been sub leased
out to somebody else, a private government contractor. Right. That's

(14:45):
the way that they've done it. Because they got in
trouble with the MK ultra stuff hardcore, right in nineteen
eighty five. The hammer came down hard on the CIA. Okay,
so then they were like, okay, well, we can't be
doing this, and in an official capacity.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
We have to They got steaky about it.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
We have to fund this out to private corporations or
government contractors for them to do it, so then we
won't have any responsibility for any of the other things
that's going on. Right, it's been done.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
I could see that a long time. I guess in
like from what when I first started to show. I
got really into the UFO topic, and that's what seems
to be happening behind this behind the curtain with that,
or let's just say advanced technology that maybe our government has,
they seem to be that seems to have been handed

(15:40):
off to the private companies.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
So they don't have to take the fall for anything
they did. They right close their eyes and plausible deniability
plans they.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Don't have to tell they don't have to tell the
public about it legally and all that stuff. So there's
but yeah, like the eighties though, like what you're saying,
I want to dig on that for a second. Like
in the eighties they got yeah, they were you know,
they were learning from their their past mistakes. And I
don't know, this came to mind, you know, a song
of beIN lauder ci agent in the eighties. His real

(16:11):
name was Tim Osmon. And I think that once you
start looking at some of these events that started happing,
like Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City, Waco, Waco nine to eleven,
they seem to be after they got sneaky with with
with things, and I would I would say that, in

(16:32):
my opinion, a lot of those events mentioned there are
sy ops perpetrated by people with connections to inner agencies.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, they can't come right out and do this stuff.
They have to find a backdoor, a back channel someone
two or three middlemen to It's like having a show
corporation is what it is. It's like a money laundering system.
Excuse me, but for information and as like, if you
the entire thing behind twenty different corporate then nobody's going

(17:07):
to be able to figure out where anything comes from.
And that was the issue with a lot of these
teen behavioral health facilities that were essentially like mk ultra
programming for like kids, like kids that have behavioral problems,
their parents would just send them to these teen camps
or these teen institutions or whatever, and they were essentially programmed.

(17:29):
They were mind controlled to do stuff. And like somebody
was like trying to sit down and figure out where
all this money, how this was all being funded. But
they couldn't figure it out because there were so many
different tentacles that branched off, and there so many different
corporations and so many different people that you couldn't pin
down exactly where any of the stuff we're coming from.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Ravens Craig, Right, do you know even Ravens Craig, that
dude doctor Donald you and I don't remember his last name,
You and Cameron was getting He was doing exactly what
writers breaking down here. He had this this big, like
gothic looking house up on a hill in Montreal, and
he was being funded by the CIA. But that's kind

(18:12):
of all they knew. Seems like it's like, well, why
was the cl I don't know, you know, it's I
think it got murky at that point, right, like it
was it was he was funded by the CIA, but
everything was kept very quiet. Is that I mean? Is
that what you're saying here, like sort of stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, So they'll they'll just uh, they'll be able to
cloud the fund being behind an individual or a person
or another corporation. So the government will give money to
one corporation, that corporation will give that money to another corporation.
That corporation will give the money to a loan investor.

(18:53):
That loan investor will give that money to another loan investor,
and then finally it gets to the actual project that
it is intended for, right, Because then you get it's
harder to trace the money exactly where it came from
because it's gone through so many different corporations in private
investors' hands. Yeah, that it would take a freaking decade
to sit down and actually figure out where all this

(19:15):
stuff comes from. It's almost it's a it's a money
laundering system so that it can be untraceable essentially. Right,
So you you create all all these different corporations and
all these different private equity groups and all that stuff,
and then you just funnel the money through all of those. Meanwhile,
you probably own all of those. It's like the the

(19:38):
like the donation stuff, right, Like whenever these big billionaires
or even millionaires or big celebrities or whatever donate to
have you know, a big corporation or whatever, right, they'll
be like they'll they'll bring out the big check. You know,
they'll be like one five million dollars and I'm giving
to freaking kids in Africa that are starving, right philanthropy, yeah,

(20:02):
or the underprivileged children or whatever. Meanwhile, they actually own
or they set on the board of that corporation that
they're donating that money too, So then it's just being
recycled money and going directly back into their pocket.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah. I think that that's how some of these early
riots were funded to Like if you go back to
the Black Panther days, the White Panther, there was a
couple of watchmen with no weathermen like those. If you
look at some of the kids that were this was
all kind of being back channeled by the CIA. If
you look into those kids who were like in the

(20:42):
pictures leading the mob through the city, their dads were
these wealthy, wealthy businessmen who sat on the board of
all these other companies, and they didn't know. I don't
think anybody knew this at the time. They didn't know like, oh,
this is rich kids aiding the charge with dad's funneling

(21:04):
money into it through all these different it's compartmentalization too,
like yeah, man.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, And then you got the whole jigg Or Hoover
situation with the mob as well. I mean you Hoober
was famous for, you know, downplaying all of the mob
activity and stuff. Anytime he was ever asked a question
about the mob, you'd be like, Ah, there's no mob,
what are you talking about. Don't worry about the mob. Meanwhile,
everybody knows that there's a gigantic organized crime syndicate that's

(21:31):
happening in the United States everybody that owned a business
was probably unless you were in like a very rural area.
But sometimes even if you were in a rural area,
you'd probably get a visit from the mob if you
had a business in the fifties, forties, fifties and sixties,
you know what I mean. Yeah, everybody, It's like they

(21:51):
want you to not believe what you're seeing. Right, people
would see the crime and the gang activity in the
mob activity. But then the official statement from the FBI
was that there really is no organized crime going on,
which is exactly the same thing that's happening right now
with this Jeffrey Epstein stuff. And it's the same thing

(22:13):
that happened with the JFK stuff. It's history repeating itself.
We see things that don't make sense. We see things
with our eyes that we know that's happening. I mean,
how many Jeffrey Epstein whistleblowers has there been. There's been
at least twenty or thirty girls that have come forward
and said that they have been trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein.

(22:36):
I mean ten of those, at least ten were at
the Jesselene Maxwell trial. Okay, so, and then they are
including Virginia Jeffrey, which just apparently died by suicide. But
they kind of had to get her out of the
way for this whole Jeffrey Epstein thing that happened because
she was the one that was leading the charge on
all this. She was actually funding a lot of other

(22:59):
people's court fees and lawyer fees to sue Giselene Maxwell
and bring these cases to light. Okay, so they.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Kind of had to Did they kill her? Do you
think I think.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Her husband one killed her? Her husband killed her. There's
but her body's already been cremated. It's not gonna be
anything you're gonna be able to do about it. But
her husband was in abusive toward her. He beat her
earlier in the year, and she made that Instagram post
that she only had a few days to live because
she knew that whenever she went back to her house

(23:31):
that her husband was probably going to kill her, and
she even made statements to.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Her brother and her.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Brother's wife that if she gets into another altercation with him,
then she's not going to live. That was a verbal
statement that was made to her brother and his wife.
So again, two weeks after she's let out of the
hospital from the bus accident where her husband actually beat her,

(23:58):
and then she went into the hot spittal saying that
it was a bus accident instead of him beating her.
I mean, you can look at the photo and see
that she looks like she's just been repeatedly beat in
the side of the face and how down and strangled
and constantly hit on the left side of her face
with a fist, and clearly see it him in her
eyes completely black and the exact same wounds that she had.

(24:22):
She reported to the police that she had earlier in
the year from her husband beating her, But then her
husband turned around and filed a restraining order against her
so that he could have both deniability so whenever something,
if something happens in the future, no one would ever
look at him, right, and so that he had custody

(24:43):
of the kids, so that she could never come out
and say, oh, well, he beats me, right. That's why
she went to the hospital saying that she only had
three to four days to live and she couldn't say
that it was her husband that beat her because no
one would believe her because he's the one that had
the restraining order. It's a very deep rabbit hole. I
give you the cliff notes. I've done like nine on it.

(25:03):
I have a whole playlist on my YouTube channel talking
about it. It's called Virginia Jeffray Mendela Effect. But they
kind of had to get her out of the way
so that they could come out and say that there
is no Jeffrey Epstein files. Right, there's no files, there's
no client list, it's all. There's nothing to see here.
He killed himself, you know, nothing going on, exactly like

(25:26):
what Jajegger Hoover did with the mob, and then eventually
it came out that the mob was real. You know,
it's just just with the JFK assassination, the exact same thing.
There's no conspiracy here, there's a magic bullet. Shut up,
quit talking about it. We're gonna call anybody that questions
the official narrative a conspiracy theorist. And then it's been

(25:48):
what almost over fifty years before we've seen anything of
the JFK files. It's gonna be the exact same situation
with this. People are going to be talking about Jeffrey
Epstein for another fifty freaking years. Then in fifty years,
no one is going to They're no longer going to
care about Jeffrey Epstein. There's not going to be a
big uproar like there was because a lot of the

(26:08):
people that were going to be involved with Jeffrey Epstein
are going to be dead. No one's going to care anymore. Yeah,
or it's going to be that time has passed in
between the event happening and then them coming out and saying, oh,
how well, these the client lists just magically landed on
my table.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
We got it now.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
But as fifty years later, when no one gives a
shit anymore and everyone's dead that was involved. See, that's
the name of the game too. That's that's what I mean.
The COVID files can't be released until I think they said,
like uh, twenty eighty or something like that, or twenty
fifty or something like that's what forty years after the
freaking actual event. Yeah, so time, no one is going

(26:52):
to care anymore. The whole the event is over, no
one cares about it anymore. It's done. The people that
were involved are dead.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
They yeah, yeah, I'm with you, man. There's they did
the same thing with Operation high Jump. You know, part
of that is still classified, and uh, there's I was
looking into like you know, Nazis and all that. And
I found there's still files on Himmler and some of

(27:26):
the stuff Himler was that was he was doing it.
Those aren't going to be released until like twenty forty.
That's how they do with this stuff. I mean, it's like,
you know, there's something there that they don't want us
to know. Otherwise, why well I hold it, I sit
on it for one hundred years.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Well, I'm going to tell you what's going on with
the Antarctica right now. Well, the whole Antarctica thing. I
have a Reader's Digest straight here. I've talked about this
a few times on my show, and there's a page
in here that talks about what was going on it.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
There's a whole.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Chapter on Operation high Jump. Readers Digest on Antarctica. Found
it at a thirst store and I was just scanning
through it and then I seen an Operation high Jump
and I immediately got it because I was like, oh, well,
this Readers Digested talking about Operation high Jump. I definitely
got to get this, you know. And there's a paragraph

(28:21):
in there, it's at the very end of the chapter
that says that there is a oasis in the center
of Antarctica where there's lush greenery, there's forest, there's grass,

(28:42):
there's trees, there's a giant lake in the center, and
it's like, I forget how many square miles it was,
but something huge. And that's what Admiral Bird discovered. That's
what they found out. And I'm pretty sure that's what
they were trying to keep secret where they Antarctica until

(29:04):
they studied it further, because how it's like.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
A pocket where the cold doesn't affect this certain little area.
I've seen that in old articles too. There was an old,
old article that I saw from you know, back into
eighteen hundreds. These explorers were trekking through Alaska and they
walked into some pocket of warm climate where there was like,
all of a sudden, it's green and there's animals, and

(29:29):
you know, seems like it's just an anomaly that happens here.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yep. And that's what they were trying to keep secret.
Convinced it's not and that's not as crazy as what
a lot of people want it to be. Yeah, they
wanted to be UFOs and aliens and stuff like that,
but that's the cover story.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Well, if you look at it, there's.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
In Nazis that's underneath the ice down there, So don't
go near there, okay, don't you don't want to encounter
the Nazi UFOs. Don't even don't even fly over. And
that's another reason for the restrictive flying zone, right, they
don't want people flying over it and seeing it. That
there's this luscious freaking forest in the center of Antarctica.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, there's something down there, and like I think it
was was doctor Ferrell, Joseph Ferrell, who looked at his
fly loogs or something and he went down there and
he did. A bird gets to one certain area and
he starts flying around it. It's like he circled around
this one area down there for three times or whatever

(30:34):
before he decided to come back. So he saw something
because he did he circled around three times. So there,
I mean, I know some people have said that there's
a there's a giant hole there that goes into the
inner Earth, and like maybe the Earth is hollow and
has some sort of a cylinder, a hollow cylinder inside
the Earth.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
I know, he gets kind of crazy, but I like
the idea. I'm going to run with it, the one
that you're presenting here with this lush grin. I do
think though, I do think that the Nazis found found
something or did something down there, because it was Hess,
Rudolph Hess and Herman Goren who funded that Antarctic commission,

(31:15):
and it just seemed like those two when you look
at those two, it's like with Goring, especially like he was,
he was like a military guy, kind of a practical guy.
He would have saw some use for going down there
and establishing a base. I'm not with the whole Nazi
UFO thing really, so I don't think that's necessarily involved.

(31:36):
But I do think the Nazis went down there anyway
something and you know, found something and maybe set up
something down there. But well, I know they did. Was
the question is how long did they did they stay right?
But what else is going on there with this, with
this with the Bird thing, because like you know, you've
got the article when Bird is coming back from high jump.

(32:00):
He stops in Chili and he talks to a Chilean
reporter and he says, the US has to be prepared
for any enemy fighters that can fly from pole to poles.
Like what was he talking about? Did the Nazis beat
him down there?

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Or what?

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, your thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
You know what's really interesting. I tried to look for
that article online. I cannot find it.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
It's in one of Joseph Feroll's books.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
It's in one of Joseph Ferrell's books, and it's in
one of Walter Bosley's books as well, but I cannot
It's not find a ball online. I've tried talking to
child GBT about it to send me a link to
where I can find the article of them saying that nothing.
I've googled it. I've asked Grock to send me a
link to the article for where I can find it. Nothing.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
It does not exist online anyway.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Maybe it got scrubbed, it could have.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
But see, the whole thing is is that, you know,
governments love of conspiracies, right, because conspiracies give them the
ability to shroud things in confusion and make people stay
away from stuff that they're doing.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
It's like Area fifty one, It's like Kurkling Air Force Base.
You know, you would much rather than believe that it's
aliens extraterrestrials than top secret weapons technology, Like that's just

(33:34):
a given. And they love those conspiracies because it gives
them the ability to continue doing whatever it is that
they're actually doing while everyone's chasing aliens and extraterrestrials. They
can continue working on their supersonic weapons. There, they're amazing

(33:57):
droom technology, they're infrared scans there.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Ability right in anti gravity by now.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, anti gravity craft, they can They can do all
of that without the public ever knowing, because the public
is all on it's extraterrestrial, it's aliens. There's no other
better cover story. Ever, that's the best cover story that

(34:27):
you could possibly have. Yeah, because one, it makes people think, oh, well,
there's nothing we can do about aliens. There's nothing we
can do about extraterrestrials. There's so much further advance than us,
you know. But there is something that we can do
about humans. There is something we can do about human
made technology. There is something we can do about the military.

(34:48):
But they're never going to tell us that. I mean,
they have told us that, but people don't listen because
they're all jumped on the extraterrestrial alien bandwagon.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
So and that's nineteen.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
They've been trying to tell us this from the very beginning.
From the very beginning, they've always said, there's no reason
to believe that this is extraterrestrial or alien. Okay, well,
if it's not extraterrestrial or alien, that only leaves one
other option, that it's humans. That it's human made military technology.

(35:24):
It's Droman technology. I mean, that's the whole thing with
Paul Benowitz. That's what Paul Benowitz was getting in nineteen
seventy nine to nineteen eighty two and eighty three, and
they're on Forward Air Force Base, was testing pop secret
drone technology that would come out of the back of

(35:45):
the airplane, out of the military airplane, and then fly
around the military airplane and erratic movements. Sure, he was
filming this on his camera and he was like, those
are UFOs.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Yeah, what.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Anything move like this? It's aliens. And they let him
continue to believe that it was aliens. He even brought
it to the attention of the actual air Force and
was like, I'm getting all this strange, weird footage out
of here. I believe that it's aliens. I believe that.
And they didn't correct him, because if they would have

(36:23):
corrected him, then he could have said, oh, the military
is doing some crazy shit all year. They got some
advanced stuff going on out here. I don't know, I'm
with you what the military is doing, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
I do think that that that they do use this,
this whole thing that I I mean, when I looked
into it, what I gathered was that, yeah, kind of
got rolled out in nineteen forty seven, right around the
time of Kenneth Arnold and Roswell, and then it then
it's perpetuated through movies like Close Encounters of the Fifth kind. Okay,
this is what they look like. And uh, I mean,

(37:00):
in my opinion, I leave room for Roswell being a
foreign government flew into our airspace and got shot down,
But it is some crazy technology that's mind blowing or
for the time, it was something that wasn't seen or
wasn't really known about. And I do think that it's

(37:24):
possible that the Nazis were involved with that. I'm not
talking about not Hanibou and Nazis on the Moon, I'm
not talking about that. I'm talking about like guys who
were able to go down to Juan Paran in Argentina
and get coverage under him, get like housing under him,

(37:46):
get funding under him, and continued their black projects. And
I do think that they figured out anti gravity officially.
I think they were working on it already, and in
Nazi Germany, I just don't think they figured it out.
I don't think the Nazis ever made UFOs under the
Third Reich. I think when it got to Argentina they

(38:07):
may have figured some stuff out. Then maybe nineteen forty
seven Roswell, maybe you see something like that in our
airspace getting shot down. That's kind of where I'm.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
At well too. And then when you look at the
Washington blop event with the rose over the White House
as well, that kind of seems like a warning shot, right, Like, okay.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
And that was fifty that was Dearon Eisenhower. I think
fifty two, right.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yes, And that to me seems like a warning shot
because it there was a shootdown order for them. So
if you thought that they were real aliens and they
were real extra treshrils, you're not going to try and
start a freaking intergalactic, interplanetary extra mentional war with these

(39:02):
alien invaders, right. So that means that Bard thought that
they were at least man made craft, or he would
never have given the shootdown order, right, he would never
have done that. We just got out of one of
the biggest bloodiest wars. Ever in history in World War Two,

(39:23):
like seventeen four, right, So that seems like a warning thing, right,
and you might be on something there with the Nazis
creating some kind of craft, and it seems like that
maybe they did figure it out a couple of years
later and then they were just you know, kind of

(39:44):
flying by the old White House to be like, okay,
here here's what we got. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, July twelveth, nineteen fifty two, you got the DCUF
flyer incident what later became known as the Washington Flat
or the Washington National Airport sidings or the invasion of Washington.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Kind of like that one, Uh makes it some more sexy.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Right, Yeah, but this when you look into this event,
something happened, Something definitely happened. But yeah, continue what you're saying.
I'm sorry, I just wanted to make sure I had
that date right. And I think this was Eisenhower. Was
it Ford?

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Pretty sure it was Ford? Okay, could be wrong.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Eisenhower was in in fifty four, I remember that from
my research. But anyways, I'm.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Pretty sure it was Ford. If you scrolled further on
that Wikipedia article, it'll tell you who was president.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
White House concern had Terry Truman.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Sorry, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
We were both wrong.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yeah, we're not perfect.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
No, we got the dates right.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
We're not perfect.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Broa, we weren't alive, but we got the dates right.
But ba ba, let's see raised out. You know, all
the radar stuff they had, the stuff was mysterious. Blips
were showing up on radar. The CIA would react to
the nineteen fifty two UFO wave reports by forming a

(41:27):
special study group within the Office of Scientific Intelligence, the OSI,
and the OCI to review the situation. Edward Toss reported
for the group that most UFO signings could be easily explained.
The CIA, concerned with the issue would lead to the

(41:47):
creation in nineteen fifty three of the Robbinship Panel. So
you see, you start to see the CIA getting involved
in I think Bluebook was was definitely have during this
time too, because Bluebook reported like a record number of
signings during this nineteen fifty two flat or invasion.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
And that's it was almost like an eggregor right, when
someone sees something and they reported, all of a sudden,
everybody else is like also seeing it and reporting it,
just like with Missing Time with Bud Hopkins. Just like
great aliens with Whitley Streeber. There's another one, Missing Time,
and Well that came from Bud Hopkins's book with the

(42:36):
same name, Missing Time, where he relates alien abductions to
people not remembering missing you know, missing hours of their life,
cannot being able to remember it. Screen Memories also came
from Bud Hopkins. So really, what's going on here is
that people didn't talk about any of this stuff until

(42:58):
like it was pushed in like a book, right, Like
Whitley Strieber basically popularized the idea of like gray alien,
which also came from his previous fiction works. He was
a fiction writer before he was a nonfiction writer, and
a lot of the entities that he described in his

(43:20):
fiction work years prior are almost identical to the ones
that he says that are nonfiction. So it's this agregorical
type of reality. And then people resonate with communions, but
it'll probably go down as one of the biggest UFO

(43:41):
books to ever be written, and people resonate with that
really hard, and then they start seeing alien element then
they think that they've been abducted. If you go to
a regression an alien UFO abductee, regressionist and you think

(44:05):
that you've been abducted by aliens, and you pay them
three hundred dollars to do this regression, Guess what they're
going to find. They're going to find aliens. Bro every time,
hands down, they're going to find aliens because you just
paid them to find aliens for you. When regression was

(44:29):
never meant to be UFO an abductee regression therapy. Regression
was a therapeutic way to help people through addiction, help
people through certain traumatic events in their life to heal themselves.
And that is pretty much the way that everybody remembers

(44:54):
their abduction experience. Travis Walden regressed. That's how he remembers
being a abducted. Bettie and Barney Hill regressed. That's how
he remembers being abducted. Wiley Strieber regressed. That's how he
remembers being abducted.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Benny and Barney Hill. Partially, they did. They did the
adduction store comes out of the regression, but before the aggression,
they did say that they saw a lie in the sky.
I just want to throw that.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
In there, right, But they also said that it was
the military before their regression, so that the military people
in military suits military hats. I mean, even the aliens
that they describe of the drawings are as wearing like
a military uniform.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Funny enough, it sounded like a Nazi uniform too the
way they describe it.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yes, exactly so, and then they get regressed and then
all of a sudden, it's aliens. That's the constant streamline
through all of these abduction cases is that they're regressed.
And when you regressed, you can be programmed with things
that aren't that never even happened. You're in a very

(45:59):
suggestible you are relaxed. You can be persuaded to believe
things that happened that didn't really happen, and then vice versa,
you can be programmed to not remember things that did happen.
It's a very suggestible state that you're in. So they
can literally create and the government will studying this, government

(46:21):
will studying this hypnosis stuff. There was two to three
mk Ultra subprojects that was dedicated to the use of
figuring out an experimentation on hypnosis, psychic abilities, and like
out of body experiences. They knew what they were doing, okay,
so then you give that information to private contractors. The

(46:48):
private contractors take that information then they create their business
around it. Then you get regression therapy, then you get hypnotists,
right mm hmm. Then they can put things into your
mind that would not even be there. I mean, the

(47:11):
Air Force was using hypnosis on their actual they're they're
not their agents, but they're Air Force recruits. And the
people at the end of there that would work on
top secret information. I mean Walter Bosley's dad. That happened
to Walter Bosley's dad. They hypnotized him at the end

(47:32):
of his career in the military because he had access
to top secret information and they didn't want him to
remember it. Mhm.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
So they think think it was the Air Force that
came in and regressed Betty and Barney Hill too, And.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
What would you rather have it believe? Would you? Would
you rather have the public know that it was the
military that abducted these people or that as aliens.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
I'm pretty much on board with what you're saying. I
don't know that. So I don't know about Willy Streeber.
I don't know, Like I've not really ever done a
deep dive on him. Now. I've read plenty of his
his excerpts from his books and stuff like that, and
like I do think though, and that's just what I

(48:23):
was gonna ask you next there. I do think, yes,
some of this is a military cover up of just bigger,
bigger ideas, you know, mainly dealing with technology and stuff
they don't want the public to know that they have
their hands on. I do think that the UFO thing
as it pertains to flying objects and green men and

(48:45):
aliens helps them. Creates got a smoke screen for them.
But I also think that there is a real phenomenon
here as well. How much bunch of the stuff we
see can be attributed to that real phenomenon, I don't know.
I'm not going to speak to that, but I do

(49:08):
think it's possible that there is something else other than
us living in existing in the universe. What do you
think about that.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I would agree with that to a certain extent. I
don't believe that there's any physical entities. I think it's
impossible for them to be physical entities that are coming
here now. If other physical beings do live somewhere else
in the universe, they're not coming here physically, can't do it.

(49:44):
It's impossible now. What they could do if they were
advanced enough, is that they could by and locate their
consciousness to Earth. But that doesn't mean that they're physical.
They're they're by I mean, and this is a very

(50:05):
people will be like, oh my god, you just went
super wu there. Well, there's a remote viewing technique that's
called perfect site integration where it's essentially that exact same thing.
It's like a very advanced form of remote viewing that
you can literally bilocate your body to a different.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Part of wherever that you're wherever you want to go,
and you can interact with the environment, you can move things,
very very advanced form of remote viewing because remote viewing
takes on different not ideas, but different abilities. The further
you get into it, you can do many things with

(50:43):
remote viewing, right, It's not just a standard thing of
collecting intelligence data. There's many different ways that remote viewing
can be used, and that's one of them is essentially
by located. So if other entities exist in the universe
and they are physical and they live on an earthlike

(51:04):
planet like ours, they are bilocating into this reality. It's
sort of like the skinwalker. If you think of like
a skinwalker, A lot of the skinwalkers are supposedly like
entities from a very advanced form of meditation. So the

(51:24):
rumor in the theory around skinwalkers is that Native Americans
will put on the height or whatever it is of
the entity that they want to transform into. They get
into a very deep state of meditation, and then they
take on that form outside of their body, in an
entity that they have essentially bilocated into, and then they

(51:50):
can roam around and do whatever it is they want
to do.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yeah, sort of like an avatar.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah, it's like for an avatar. Yeah, that's what from
my understanding, what a skin walker actually is.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
So there's like a spiritual component to this where spirits
can kind of travel or by look at I get
what you're saying, because I do think that there is
something to the whole remote viewing thing, and I think
it's it's not unlike people who have these near or
out of body experiences, like something bad happens to them,

(52:26):
they get in a car accident and all of a sudden,
they're in the air above their body watching the doctors
work on them. When they come back into their body,
this happened. This is one of the accounts I read
about the lady survived, she comes back into her body
and she tells them like, oh, there's a there's a
sticker on top of the ceiling fan. It's red and

(52:48):
it's got I don't know, numbers or some words on it.
And she described the sticker, and they got a ladder
out and they went up there and looked. Then sure
enough she had gone out of her body and looked
down over herself, and she described some of the surroundings
that she couldn't have known about, right, I do, so

(53:08):
I think that that's I think that fits into this somehow.
It's like we do have this ability. Some people are
just able to do it and they don't need a
car accident to facilitate it. That's how I see it.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, there's a way to do it. It involves breath
work and very deep meditation. And I think that the
astral travel thing is different than like by location. By location,
you almost like duplicate your physical body. Other people would

(53:43):
be able to see you. That the astral realm is
like an invisible realm to other people. Only you can
see that realm whenever you're in it. Nobody else could
see it. But if you were to bylocate, like if
I were to bylocate to your location right now, you
would be able to see me because I would be

(54:04):
standing in your room, but I would also be sitting
right here, so you would see me in the corner
of your room standing there. That would be more of
like a bylocation. You're almost taking on another physical, spiritual avatar,
almost a duplicate copy of you.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Yeah. I had a shaman on who was describing a
situation kind of like that. In my view, what he
was telling me.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
Was that his his teacher, was able to do this,
was able to be in two places at once, and
he caught him doing it once at a monastery or something.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
So I think I believe that it's real, and I
believe that it can be done. But the astral thing
is like having an out of body experience, is different.
I think that that is a different level of reality.
So the by location you would still be in this reality.

(55:07):
In the astral realm, you would be in a different
layer of reality. You would essentially be like a spiritual
being in the astral realm. Was that guy? Uh? That
dude was Tom? Was a Tom Sawyer what you're talking about?

Speaker 1 (55:30):
No, the guy who I had on the shaman, Oh No.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
It was a different time.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Uh, Kevin uh Turner. I think, sorry if I'm messing
up your name, Bud, but he okay. I think what
happened was he walked into the monastery and he was
looking for this person. He thought he saw them, or
he did see them up on a balcony kind of
looking at him, kind of like smiling and acting goofy,

(55:58):
and he didn't go up there. He turned around and
walked out, went down the steps, and that same person
was walking up the steps and there's no way they
could have gotten from that balcony, passed him all the
way down to the bottom of hill and started walking
up the steps. That was one story. I think he's
got several stories like that. That's one that I'm kind

(56:21):
of remembering right now. Either way, I remember when he
was telling me some of these stories. I remember thinking, oh,
he's he's talking, he's been he's hanging around these guys
like you're saying, who have mastered this art of breath
work and are able to do what we would consider
supernatural stuff with it. But it was all along. We

(56:46):
have this ability to do things that we just don't
like six sins, right, some of this stuff has just
been like you know how programmed we are through schooling
and just living in this society that we live, we're
super perg A lot of this stuff, for lack of
a better way of saying it has been programmed out
of us. We think this is stuff you go see

(57:10):
in a movie that's not actually available to us. It's
not we can't really do that, But I think it's
just a forgotten art. I'll just call it that, some
sort of a forgotten like set of things that we
once were able to do, like telepathy.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Yeah, and then instead of you know, making it where
we develop these spiritual abilities on our own and we
get back to that stage, they want to put some
sort of shortcut into it and put AI and robotics
in there and put a brain chip in your brain
so it makes you you don't have some sort of telepathy.

(57:52):
I mean, I'm pretty sure that Elon Musk has talked
about that eventually, like everyone's going to have a brain
schup and like everyone's going to be, you know, pelopathic.
And I'm like, well, you can do that if we
are allowed to do that, if we have enough time
to develop spiritually and we're not shut down at every

(58:14):
single corner like we are in school. You know, like
there's many gifted people out there, but they are made
to be that that they're weird or that there's something
wrong with them. They end up getting put on some
sort of medication. They sometimes get locked up in asylums,

(58:34):
they get put in you know, the state hospitals and stuff. Whenever,
they're just like more in touch. They're just more in
tune with everything that's going on. But I think the
knows that's something.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
They know about this because they're they're at the same time,
I agree with what you're saying. At the same time,
they're sending people out to schools to pool kids aside
and give them like Warshack tests and stuff and see
if they can, like if they have any type of abilities.
Like they did it in my school too. I was
one of the three kids that I think they asked

(59:09):
my mom and they told her it was for like,
you know, something like extracurricular. I don't know, they were
going to give me like access to a better college.
I don't know, they told her something like that. Eventually,
like they're like, oh, he'll be like in a gifted
program or whatever, and they had I remember I sat
down with this guy and he sat right in front

(59:31):
of me, and he pulled out these cards and they
had like warshack stuff on, like weird shapes that He's like,
what's what's this look like to you? And then at
one point he was like, I know this seems kind
of weird, but can you tell me what's on the
other side of this card? And I was like, I

(59:53):
just kind of looked at him like no because I
can't see the other side of the card. He's like,
that's okay, just try kind of a thing. I didn't get. No,
that went nowhere for me. I never saw that guy again.
None of that stuff like panned out for me. But
I've heard other people tell very similar stories that they
were these guys were out looking, they were recruiting for this.

(01:00:17):
I would call it a CIA program with some sort
a government program of some sort.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Yeah, it's a grooming it's a grooming program. Yeah, that's
what they call it. The gifted programs went under different
names in different parts, and the excuse was a different
depending on where you lived and what town you uh,
what state you lived in. There was different excuses for it.
Like some people were told that they were really smart

(01:00:46):
and that they were going to be put into a
you know, a better program for gifted people, and then
other people were told that it was a bad thing
that they were being put in gifted program. It depends
on where where you lived. And people have recalled getting
some sort of medication, some kind of drink pink or

(01:01:09):
yellow drink like thick like peptobismol that they had to drink.
Some people recall flash cars, they recall hearing tests. They're
all being you know, you should be hearing this and
you're right here type of hearing test which has triggered
a lot of people. But that actual test is from
the Monro Institute gateway tapes that people are remembering. So

(01:01:32):
how did the Monro Institute gateway tapes get involved in
public school? Okay, so then that's a whole other rabbit hole.
I'm doing a big This is what my new documentary
is going to be about, is this exact topic right
here and tracking down how all of this stuff fits
together and what exactly were they doing with these kids

(01:01:56):
in school and pulling them out of class. Some people
remember like having a reading test. Others remember having to
put three D goggles on the flash cards. Like you
just explained what was a really big one. So there's
something to it. There's something to it. There's something going on.

(01:02:17):
They're testing for abilities, they're testing for people to see
what they what direction that they can push them into.
And a lot of the people that were involved in
these tests for a really long time, like years and
years and years, ended up in the military or working
for one of these three letter organizations. At least the

(01:02:38):
people that I've talked to that I know, they all
went down a military path three letter organization past CIA,
d O, d DJ, you know, and they were kind
of shepherd and pushed in that direction. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
And then you think about or I think about the
Montalk Project, and I think, of course, I think about,
you know, like the Stranger Things element to that, Like
there was It's been a while since I've looked into this,
so I might not nail every little detail here, But
there was a lady who put out a blog in

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the early aughts saying that she was involved with the
Montalk Project, and I think some of Stranger Things was
like based on this lady's blog. She was like the
real life eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
There's been many people this claimed that several people, like
three or four different people. I don't really put a
lot of steak into the Montalk project because we're really
The guy that started that whole thing is Preston Nichols,
and pretty much she did right rip off like the
Philadelphia Experiment, an old movie that came out in like

(01:03:55):
the latest seventies, like early eighties. He just ripped that off.
He just watched the movie and then created his entire
story surrounding it. And then he would also like to
jerk dudes off.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
So yeah, he's just like a whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
So like, I don't really put any kind of stake
into the Montauk project. But there's another one that's really
interesting that I can't remember the name of it right
off him, but it basically revolves this guy that found
this old tin can box that his uncle left him

(01:04:33):
whenever he died that his uncle supposedly found out in
New York City out in the woods, and he put
it on the shelf for like twenty years, and then
his nephew got all of his things whenever he passed away,
and then he found the box and opened the box
and apparently had all these old pictures in it that

(01:04:55):
involved children at this top secret military base that no
one could find any record of ever existing, and I
had pictures of like generals and people. No one could
find any information out about it. And I apparently had
like video reels inside of it as well, and some

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of the pictures were released, but the video was never released.
There's like this huge blog spot on it online. I
can't think of the name. I did a show on it,
not too Yeah, it was really sketchy type of scenario.
He was also posting like fake photos and like stock
images of like certain things and stuff. So it's like

(01:05:38):
so hard to know what's true and what's not true.
And it's even getting harder to realize now that like
AI is like all involved. So it's like even like
back in the early two thousands, because that's when this
this thing all went down in this big blog spot
with this with what I'm talking about here was going

(01:05:59):
yeah for like a couple of years and then it
just like abruptly stopped. He just kind of stopped posting.
But there's also those arg types of things, which is
a huge thing on like Rudded and then like a
lot of that which is like an augmented reality game
like that people just play all the time. And then
it depends on what the audience, how the audience responds,

(01:06:23):
depends on where your story goes next.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Right, talk about Ben Eggregre Right, So yeah, and I'm
with you on the Press and Nicols thing, just to
touch on that again, Like I that dude, you know,
he kind of just shattered his own story. Which the
more the more you look into him, the more you like.
I don't. I don't know if I can believe anything
this guy says. But that whole area was interesting to me.

(01:06:50):
My top point, Like, there is the base there. Locals
did say that there were kids going in and out
of there. I think there was some sort of a
program that involving kids, and Preston Nichols came in there
and just maybe fictionalized the rest of it from there.
And but you've got Plumb Island right there next to
Montalk Point where they were doing biological testing. That's where

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Frank Olsen was working before he was dosed with LSD
by got leave himself and killed I believe by the CIA,
thrown out of ability. So there's Plumb Island is right
next to Montalk Point. And then right so you got
Montalk Point here, Plumb Island, and then you've got Lime
New York where a lot of shady business was going on.

(01:07:34):
I think that that's hearing the Vietnam War where they
developed Lime's disease as a biological war. They were going
to drop it on the on the people out there.
So you know, I was looking at Montalk in that light.
I was like, Okay, well, this this area right here
seems to be where they're doing all their shady stuff.

(01:07:57):
Maybe there is something to it. But regardless of Montac,
I do think that these these child programs were going on,
and I think, you know, there's many uses for that
for somebody who's I guess evil. I guess would be
the best way to put it. Like you you can
create a an assassin, spy, somebody who you can send

(01:08:19):
in to do secret missions, secret missions. Honestly, I know
it sounds like like a movie at that point, but
I think this stuff really does go on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Yeah, it's like a part of it. That was one
of the sections of MK Ultra mind Control is to
you know, how can we use this for anything affarious
And obviously that's the top secret assassin is going to
be really high up on the list, but also like

(01:08:57):
information carriers, prostitution, uh, disinformationalist, misinformationalists, I mean the mk
ultra programs can be used with an array of things.
You know, it can be so much that you don't

(01:09:17):
you don't even know exactly what's going on. And that's
like the big part of it as well. Like I
was mentioning earlier, the confusion aspect, right, if you get
everybody confused on what it is that they're supposed to be,
you throw up so many different signals. You have everybody
jumping in with their own thoughts and their own ideas

(01:09:40):
and their own theories on everything. Then it just muddies
the waters and nobody knows what it is that they're
supposed to believe. And this has been done on a
media level for decades now. They give certain news stories
to certain parts of the population. Also, depending on what state,

(01:10:04):
what city you live in, you get a different set
of news. Like they can literally put something, they can
put a positive spin on something in freaking Washington, Washington State,
and then in Florida it'll be a negative spin on it,
or it'll be something completely different. They already do that

(01:10:28):
with the media. They're definitely doing that with this community
or any other community, so that nobody is ever on
the same page, so no one can ever agree with anything,
and everyone can be divided, and that is ultimately so
that nobody ever comes together and does anything about it. Yeah,

(01:10:56):
no one can be unified and actually go up to
the White House steps and be like, we know that
the Epstein files exist, and we're going to demand it,
and we're going to stand out here until you give
us the Epstein files.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Yeah, we're starting.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Going to do that because everybody is never on the
same page about anything, right, I mean, we could have
done that as soon as that happened to JFK. That
could have been the thing. As soon as the JFK
assassination happened and people seen, oh this isn't lining up,
this is a brutal film, is not what is being

(01:11:39):
showed that the official report from the Warren Commission is
showing we should be pissed, we should be really pissed,
and we should be demanding answers. But you can't demand
answers if you don't have numbers on your side.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
So the programming was very thick then like people were
people still believed wholeheartedly in their government. Then there weren't
a lot of conspiracy theorists running around when when JFK
was killed, you know that's people don't People didn't even
know about mk Ultra. A lot of people didn't even

(01:12:21):
know to question their government. You know, all this stuff
starts in the fifties, but people don't know about it
or the forties. Considering if you get we got some
of this mk ultra stuff from the Nazis, then it
goes from Bluebird to Artichow to mk Ulture, which had
which had the four sub projects that that that included children.

(01:12:41):
So we know that that's real, but people didn't know.
That's my point.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
It was, let's let's do a more recent one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Then let's do like nine to eleven O based. So
whenever nine to eleven happened, we could have marched right
up to the White House and been like, oh, hey,
can you explain to us how two solid buildings collapse demolition,

(01:13:09):
like when two jet liner planes hit the side of
the building. Yeah, and how did Building seven collapse with
nothing ever hitting it? What hit the Pentagon? Then what
crashed in Pennsylvania. There's literally no luggage, there's no there's
not even a remnant of a plane that hit the

(01:13:33):
Pentagon nothing. They made the event so traumatic that nobody
thought the question it nine to eleven at the time.
It didn't. The wheels didn't start falling off until around yeah,
two thousand and seven, two thousand and seven, two thousand
and eight, and then that's when the wheels started coming

(01:13:55):
off of the whole nine to eleven thing. Because then
you had Loose Change, which was a documentary examining all
of it, than you have Zeitgeist, there's a documentary examining
all of it. But right then we could have been
like and then all these engineers and all these people
are saying that it's impossible for a building building to
fall free fall from a freaking it should be able
to withstand freaking fifteen jet liners hitting it and still standing.

(01:14:20):
I ask any engineer how that is possible. How a
jet liner hits aside of a building like that that's
made out of steel beams and the free freaking thing
collapse demolition stock It's impossible. It doesn't happen unless it
was the controlled demolition, unless there was explosives put inside

(01:14:43):
of the building and they hit the building with the
explosives and then it blows floor by floor.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
Okay, yeah, that's only then.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Yeah, the twenty twenty event, people should have been way
more pissed off about that than they, But instead it
was about something completely different. Instead, it was about George Floyd.
That we were out there rioting and burning down our
cities and looting and throwing bricks through businesses and destroying businesses. Right,

(01:15:18):
they usurped that entire freaking thing and turned it on
its head about something completely different. They didn't let the
real thing that we should be pissed off about actually
escalate to that level of where we should have been.
They made it about something completely different, and then that

(01:15:39):
took the gunpowder out of anything that could have possibly
been about the real event that actually happened. Then they
paid people off to not do anything about it. Right,
They sent people checks in the mail, almost double triple

(01:16:00):
the amount that they were making every single week, so
that they would stay indoors, stay inside, not go out,
not do the things that you were normally doing. So
it was like a pacification, right, don't be mad, don't
be pissle. But the UK didn't do that. Look how
many riots and protests that you can add over that. Australia,

(01:16:23):
same thing Australia didn't do that. They didn't pay their
citizens to stay home. They just said, go stay home.
That's it. You can't do anything. We're not going to
help you at all. I think said in the United States,
we had riots and protests and burning down of cities
and destroying of small businesses that were already freaking hurting.

(01:16:49):
They were just finished off and destroyed like that over
something that we shouldn't even have been mad about in
the first So I'm not say we shouldn't been mad
about it, like it should have been about something completely
different than what it was actually about.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Yeah, well, I have a thought on this. My thought
on this is that we're getting hit relentlessly with stiles
from every angle nowadays, and I think that kind of
coincides with the rise of the deep state. I won't
go into all that, I'd need a whole episode for

(01:17:24):
that how we got to this point, But I think
also what we're seeing here is they're using movies Hollywood
as propaganda to get everybody to cover the whole entire populace,
and they do what Naomi Client calls shock doctrine, which
is applied techniques of MK culture on society Basically, you
shock people with crisis events so you can direct them

(01:17:48):
on not just what to think, but kind of like
how to think. All the while they're in this emotional
state and they're susceptible to all this irrational thought that
you can plug into them suggestive thoughts of violence, and
now all of a sudden boom, all these riots are
It's like they get us in this state, and it's

(01:18:11):
like some sort of a weird controlled chaos thing that
comes over us.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
That's right, and you can see that with the LA,
the most recent riots in LA, it's the exact same thing.
It's the exact same thing playing out over and over again.
They're using the same rule book that they've always used
since the very beginning. They just switch up the reason,
but it's the exact same outcome. Problem, reaction, solution. I

(01:18:37):
know people have heard that one hundred times, but it's
very true. They create the problem, they gauge the reaction,
and then they offer the solution. And the solution is
always taking away more of our freedoms and our sovereignty
and severance. That's always the solution. That is the main
goal of every event ever happens. It's to slowly strip

(01:19:02):
away the freedoms that people have in the United States.
That's what it is, is chipping away at it, chipping
away at it, with everything setting it up for the
next thing decades in evance. Yeah, that's what twenty with
all the how many viruses and illnesses did we hear

(01:19:24):
about in the media leading up to twenty twenty, bird flu,
swine flu, mad cow, the list just keeps going on
and on and on. It was the perfect setup for
what they have planned in the future. And right now
they're planning something in the future. We just don't know
what it is, but they're already setting up for it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
And I think too, just maybe circle back to some
of the work you've done with looking at Hogwood, looking
at Kubrick and all that. I do think that that's
a vector that they used. It's a tool for them,
Hollywood and just sendema, you know. And I think a
lot of that started in World War Two, like two
years after Pearl Harbor, America's at war and the CIA

(01:20:12):
puts out that memo that says, you know, cinema is
the most powerful propaganda weapon at the disposal of the
United States. And I think that that idea continue from
World War two into the fifties where you have Eisenhower
of fifty three, he said he had some sort of
a saying that something like the hand of government must

(01:20:35):
be carefully concealed through like businesses in the field of
music and entertainment. Like he's like, you know, concealing the
hidden handed movies is what he was talking about. And
that's kind of like what they did. And I think
they put all these suggestive little things in these movies,
like like I mentioned earlier, Close Encounters, Like that's where

(01:20:58):
a lot of people lidified in their mind's eye what
a gree alien looks like is suggested to them, and
then your mind does the rest. Right, all of a sudden,
that's not just something from a movie anymore. That's something. Oh,
that's what's going on with all this UFO stuff. That's

(01:21:19):
little green men from other planets concealing the hand, the
hidden hand in movies. James Bond, right, I think five
that guy was that dude's name Fleming. He was like
a CIA dude. Ian Fleming that wrote those was like
he was a government guy. And those those movies were

(01:21:42):
produced at five of them that I know of, were
produced with the d D and the CIA.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
You're interesting with the Formers movies. I mean, and this
was all just recently disclosed. I mean, and can you
break as we show in our movie, you think all
of the through the organization Langley Air Force Base, air
Force Intelligence, the d D at the end of his
movie two thousand and one, A Space Odyssey, and then

(01:22:13):
someone had to have seen that and was like, no,
you need to take these credits out. You can't be
thinking essentially all branches and all parts of the government
for helping create your movie. So it was on the
download back then, and then we hit the two thousands
and then you know, all these four year requests come through,
and that's when we find out about the James Bond stuff.

(01:22:34):
That's how we find out about the Transformers, That's how
we find out about Die Another Day, all these other
movies that the government has been funding and helped produce.
I mean, Hollywood is the propaganda arm of the government.
Absolutely what it's been, and that's what it's always been.
That's what it's going to continue to be until you know,

(01:22:55):
independent media people start rising up, and I think that
it is our time. Now's the time for us to
really push you know, full fledged into this and create
our own stuff and do what we're doing right now
and create our own movies. Because we're not beholden to anybody.
We can put out whatever it is that we want
to put out and talk about whatever it is that

(01:23:17):
we want to talk about. That's why I'm doing these movies.
That's why I did the first one, JFKI Solving the
Crime of the Century. It's why I did a clockwork
Shiny because it's stamping something that I have created out
there for people to see. And I'm not controlled by anybody.
There's nobody telling me what to do. It's my own

(01:23:37):
creative ideas, my own creative input, and I can make
it however I want to make it. You know, I'm
not beholden to any studio, not beholden to any streaming network.
You know, they can't tell me what to put or
not put into my movie. But that also relies on
people supporting it right. So people have to like support

(01:24:03):
my work and support me and so that I can
continue to do it right. It's a it's a grassroots
type of thing, and that's how everything really starts. And
that's the best way for anything to start, you know,
Like the people that just start out with a freaking
million dollar contract in music. I someone a little sketchy,

(01:24:25):
someone a little sketchy going on there. You tell me
you didn't. You didn't tour around with any freaking you
didn't do You didn't play any bars, You didn't play
any dive bars. Like, how come nobody knows you like
on the street. How come no one has ever heard
of you before lay? You know, it's kind of weird, bro,
It's kind of weird. All you're a first time director

(01:24:46):
and you're directing a multi million dollar movie. That's kind
of weird. Bro, Yeah, weird.

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
There's something sus something us what's going on there?

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
And their parents are with military, you know the we
know the playbook. Yeah, manufactured culture so much of like
our favorite bands, our favorite movies. I hate to say
this was manufactured culture. Rich kids, military kids, kids with

(01:25:19):
these back channels sue to the government, to the CIA.
I mean even like I think you guys talked about
this in your film too, like the uh it's in
look it's out there, lookout mountain, right, I think it's
in Laurel Canyon. That's where the government had a they
in nineteen it was out there in the thirties and

(01:25:41):
forties maybe, but in like nineteen fifty three, the government
took this facility on top of Lookout Mountain and like
transformed it, put in new buildings, put in all this
state of the art equipment for shooting movies. Now you
look into it and you find out that they filmed
twenty thousand films there.

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
Yep, it's wild.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Yeah, them are still classified. A bunch of people had
top secret clearance for it. Marilyn Monroe had top secret
clearance for it. Ronald Reagan had top secret clearance. A
lot of these big Hollywood actors carry grant. Several people
had top secret clearance for this Air Force Movie Studios

(01:26:27):
air Force base right outside of Hollywood, on top of
Laurel Canyon, at this place called Lookout Mountain, where Hollywood
is just a stone's throw down the mountain. Okay, you're
telling me the Hollywood is where all of these big,
huge productions are going on. But then you have the
Air Force right outside of Hollywood on top of the
mountain that is doing the exact same thing. Twenty thousand

(01:26:49):
films being made up there. Nobody knows exactly what they
were doing because a lot of the films are still classified,
but we do know that that's where they made the
where they did the atomic bomb testing on miniature sets,
so like none of that was real mm hm don
on miniature sides.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Yeah, that footage doesn't hold up well. It looks like
I said, you know, you've got the Bureau of Motion
Pictures the way that one. That one, like they wanted
Americans to believe that the government was doing what was
best for everybody and for the whole world at that.
So they went to Hollywood and they created the Bureau

(01:27:25):
of Motion Pictures. And it was like an idea that
started in Washington, d C. And they're like, oh, we
got to get out to Hollywood. And so they set
up this bureau and like it falls right in line
with the timeline like nineteen fifty three fifty four, where
you've got like you said, like Mail Monroe and all

(01:27:45):
these people have clearance to look out Mountain also, and
that that's what Eisenhower puts his brother, Milton Eisenhower in
charge of this Bureau of Motion Pictures. It's wild that
that whole abbit hole goes so deep. It's like there's
there's that One of my favorite pages to look up
is like it's a Wikipedia page, but I think this

(01:28:07):
one's actually legit. It's called the Military Entertainment Complex. If
you just put that into Wikipedia and they give you
a whole list of movies that THEDD produced in other
government agencies, it's like it's so odd, it's like it's wild.
It's like Top Gun, Well, there's a reason why Top

(01:28:28):
Gun makes you feel so patriotic. It's meant to. It's
meant to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Because it's created and produced by the freaking Air Force
and the government. Mm hm, so CRUs had to learn
how to fly a freaking of sixteen fighter jets so
that they can make the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
It's funny too, because in that that first scene of
that latest Top Top Gun movie, like they actually showed
a plane that was only rumored to exist up until
that point. It was one of these plans that people
were talking about years and years ago, and everybody's like, no,
they don't have that, that's just that's just a rumor,

(01:29:12):
and then they show it in that film. It's like,
you know, they're kind of telling you how they do things,
Like they kind of roll things out in these movies
like like two thousand one, Space Odyssey man, like they
had an Ahi on board that ship in the sixties
late sixties? Yeah, how did they know about that?

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
And the Iris supposedly wasn't even inventive at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
I mean you look at all the Star Trek stuff
bro it's and it's insanity. But also Stanley Kubrick as well,
with the B two stealth Bomber and his filming of
the movie Doctor Strange Love as well. You went to
the Air Force and was like, hey, can you can
we use the Can you at least show us what
the inside of a B two stalth bomber looks like
so we can get it right for ourselves, because we

(01:29:56):
want things to be accurate. Kubrick wanted everything to be
very realistic, everything to be very accurate. The props on
his side really weren't even prompts. They were like real stuff.
So all the things that was in the Shining and
like in all of his movies, they weren't like fake
things like they were all real stuff. If you saw
a freaking box of Cereal, it was legitimately a freaking

(01:30:18):
box of Cereal seeing food in it, it was real food,
wasn't fake food. He wanted everything to be hyper realistic.
So we went to the Air Force and was like, hey,
how can we can I see the inside of it
be too Stealth Bomber? So my you know, my production
designer can get what the inside of a b too
Stealth Bomber looks like and we can get it very
accurate for a movie. They said no, because if another

(01:30:40):
country is seeing what the inside of our aircraft looks like,
then they might be able to duplicated or replicated or
see where everything is, and they might be able to
redesign it and their own version of what we have.
So then Kuba goes to his production designer is like, hey,
we need to figure out what the inside of the
scene looks like. So he's just clipping on like a
bunch of magazines. He's looking at, you know, trying to
figure out what the inside it would be too Stealth

(01:31:02):
Bomber looks like. But it's top secret classified information. Then
people from the Air Force show up on the set
of Doctor Changed Love and they're like, holy shit, how
did you get this so accurate? How did you know
exactly what this inside of this aircraft looks like? That's
top secret that nobody knows what it looks like, and
they thought that he got some kind of top secret information.
Someone leaked him the information of what the inside of

(01:31:25):
the aircraft look like. So they launched this big investigation
and Kubrick's production designer had to tell the Air Force
and the FBI, how you know he designed inside of
this without getting any kind of leaked information from anybody,
Because that's really what they're That's really what you can
get in trouble for is if you have some sort

(01:31:47):
of top secret classified information that you're not supposed to
have and then you go around telling people about that,
or you post it online or whatever. That's really what's
going to get you in trouble. It's going to get
you sent right to prison if you do that. Like
that's the biggest no. No, they don't really care about
people that kind of just stumble across things.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
However, that's because you really don't have any proof of that.
They don't really care about theories because theories are not factual,
and they can just have plausible denia itability about any
kind of theory. If you're actually have top secret, secret
classified information, then you're going to be in trouble if
you start going around and telling people about it or
showing people or showing any kind of documentation or someone

(01:32:28):
from the military gave you that information and then you
put it in your movie or whatever. So they were
they launched this big, huge investigation and then nothing came
of it. But that was like the initial setup of
Qubriic starting to work with these agencies, right, because they
were really interested in what he was doing. How did
he figure this out? You know? And whenever they get

(01:32:49):
people like that, they're like, Okay, well, you know, we
might as well work with them if they figured this
out on their own and they didn't have anybody telling
them how to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
They did that with Tom Clancy. Yeah, same story. I mean,
I don't know the whole story, like perfectly, but something
to do with he was describing something one of his
books and they sent guys to his house and like, hey,
how do you know this same thing as the Kubrick thing.
And apparently that's when they started working with him too.

(01:33:18):
They're like, oh, this guy is figuring this stuff out
with his imagination. He actually doesn't know what the inside
of what this certain plane looks like or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
The story goes to Tom Clancy was told them. He's like, no,
I you guys wouldn't. I couldn't find any of the information.
So I had to come up with it with my mind.
And I was just like, well, this is what would
be needed in this situation. So I just wrote that down.
But apparently he got it right. Anyways, they worked with him.
That's how that story goes to. It reminds me a
lot of the Kubrick thing. It's interesting, I think, you know,

(01:33:51):
you see it with them, of these guys, Dean Koot's
and all them back in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
Man, that's is a sigur D rabbital, especially like them,
and even like with with books too. I'll see. I
saw something the other day where some of these authors are.
If you look into some of these authors, they're being
told basically what to write about to sway public opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
Stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
Well, I know they do with the directors.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
It's the oldest thing in the book, right. It started
with like newspapers and radio, then transferred into movies and
then it was also in books. I mean, it's it's
just another way to you know, mind control people and
persuade people and push people in a certain direction and
cultivate and create their beliefs and psyche drive them into
believing something that may or may not even be real.

(01:34:47):
It's mk ultra one on one, right, you traumatize people,
you drug them, which over half the population in the
United States is on some form of pharmaceutical drugs. So
they got the drugging thing down, right. They got the
Trump the drugging, and then the crisis, and then the
normalization after that crisis. So it's a it's a global

(01:35:12):
mk ultra program that's just being done on everybody all
at one time. They figured it out on an individual level,
and they're like, Okay, well, we know how to do
this individually to individual people that are susceptible because we
figured it out through our experimentation. How do we do
this to everybody all at the exact same time. I
know what we'll do. We'll create a giant, huge event.

(01:35:36):
We'll put restrictions on people, We'll make them believe that
it was something other than what their eyes actually seen,
will program them with something completely different, and then they'll
believe it. And then if anybody falls out of line
that don't believe it, we'll label them something. We'll just

(01:35:58):
call them nothing. But conspiracy theorists will kind of outcast
them to this section of society that is for wacos
and weirdos, and then they won't be a problem. But
eventually we will have to come out and say something
about this sometime in the future, but by the time
that we do, it won't matter anymore. Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
And then you've got some of the people put in
position in government or just positions where they can sway
big chunks with population. You look into them and their
control too, Like I was looking at Obama the other
day and some I mean, because all these presidents are
like related apparently right, like Obama's related to the Bushes.

(01:36:46):
It seems to be like one sort of family at
the end of the day, or a couple of families
that they're all related. And you know, I was looking
at Obama, so his grandparents were like Stanley and Adeline
done them, but she was a pain, kind of like
Ruth Paine from the JFK thing. And then they've got

(01:37:07):
these pictures. It looks like Stanley and Madeline are at
the JFK assassination. Like if you look at some of
the pictures, it looks like them. But his grandma was.
I don't know if she was at the JFK thing
or not, but she was the president of the or
the vice president of the Bank of Hawaii. And then

(01:37:28):
you start looking at her daughter, who's Obama's mom, and
it just like I would be super shocked if she
wasn't CIA. She was some sort of intelligence, as was
his dad, because they they globe hop, they're like always
in a different location. They're always working with finance or

(01:37:51):
governments or both. And then she dies. Obama's mom dies
two days before he was elected president. But and his
dad was involved with banking and government, and it just
seemed like they were intelligence, right. And it seems like
his dad too, seems like he was killed under some
shady circumstances because his dad was in a series of

(01:38:14):
three car accidents back to back and he finally died
from the third one. And he went to Harvard, you know.
So he's in the milieu of all these powerful people.
It's just like any of the that goes for any
of the presidents, any of them that you look into,

(01:38:36):
they're they're all related. Like Obama, he's related to Sarah
Palin even and to the Bushes. But they're all like this,
it's always like there's intelligence people in their family, government people,
and like money, whether it's banking, finance, or they're just rich.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Yep, that seems to be the what's going on. And
then also with the music industry as well, Like we
were just talking about all the big music people, all
the people that were involved in these big bands that
pretty much changed the course of society and started the
hippie movement that were being pushed out there to be
the face of like this. You know, the sixties and

(01:39:20):
the seventies were all ran by the intelligence community and
by people that were all like their family members. Their
fathers were all high ranking military officials. I mean Bob
Marley's dad a British naval intelligence officer. Even the people
that weren't in the music industry, I mean Sharon Teet's

(01:39:43):
dad was a high ranking military officer. So it's like
all these people, they're all involved in some way of
shape or form. And with Jim Morrison, it's like, okay, well,
now that makes sense to the reason why he was
like so wild and crazy. And then like this with
like Charles Manson, right, he was essentially working for the CIA,

(01:40:05):
So it's like, no matter what he did, he was
going to like he was going to get off the hook.
That's why he wasn't really worried about anything.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
And they were given them.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
He would do whatever he wanted to do anytime. They
would never be arrested. Someone would show up and be
like let them out.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
Yeah, she's like Charlie Manson. Yeah. And they were given
these guys drugs too, like they were trying to It's
almost like they were trying to affect the culture through
the rock stars. So they're like John Lennon take LSD,
Mick Jagger take LSD. We want to make that the
new thing because if these kids find out that you

(01:40:45):
take LSD, they're all going to want to take LSD
because they're all listening to The Stones and the Beatles
at that point in time, right because the Stones had
to call up the Beatles and be like, hey, are
you releasing an album this week? Okay, cool, We'll wait
for the next thing to drop hours. Because that's how
they were like the biggest bands in the world, and
they both had people trying to get to them to

(01:41:08):
not only have like drug parties and like get the
drugs into the hands of people at the parties, but
they were trying to influence people to take the drugs
with the celebrity of it all, like oh man, if
Mick Jagger and you know, and then you look in
like Corney Love, Courtney Love was having drug parties, giving
people drugs, hooking people up and like disseminating drugs into

(01:41:32):
the culture.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
That was like, mind the way when I found out
that now, what is it now? It's drugs, sucks and crime.
That's what's being pushed on no, and has been since
like the early two thousands. And people can say, oh, well,
that doesn't mean that people are like when I go
out and do crime and they have promiscuous secks and

(01:41:59):
do drugs. It is programming your subconscious. It is one
programming your subconscious. Now, you can't say that somebody that
has never done drugs or ever committed a crime is
going to immediately go out and do drugs, commit crime,
and have sex with a bunch of prostitutes. It doesn't

(01:42:22):
work like that. The way that it works is whenever
the opportunity presents itself to do drugs or do some
kind of crime, your subconscious is already programmed to think
that it's okay and that You're going to get away

(01:42:43):
with it because your favorite music artist and your favorite
rapper does it all the time and you want to
be like them. Right, It's not an instantaneous thing. It's
a program the subconscious mind, or at some point in
the future, when the opportunity arises, you are more likely

(01:43:06):
to do it than if you weren't listening to that before.
That's the way that it works. That's like what they
were saying about the music. As crazy as they were
back in the day, they weren't wrong. They were right
in a lot of cases. And how this is going

(01:43:27):
to impact our society. I mean, we see the impacts
of it, Like, go to San Francisco, walk down downtown,
walk down skid Row San Francisco, go to Chicago, walk
around the bad part of Chicago for a couple three
or four minutes. Brow we'll see how bad this shit is.

(01:43:48):
And I'm not saying that music is all responsible for that.
It's a huge there's plenty of other factors, but the
music doesn't help, just doesn't help. But it's the exact
same thing was going on with dollars d times, and
it's just changed and manipulated into a different style of music,
but it's the exact same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
Yeah for sure. Yeah, we could clean up our society
a lot. I know people don't want to hear this,
but if we were to clean up our music a
little bit, clean up the message that's being piped out
into all these young people's brains. And I know that
sounds like a grandpa here, but like the music right
now is not helping things. It's really not.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
But yeah, it's not. It's not helping us doing damage.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
Is doing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
Really bad effects of the subconscious mind. It's programming people
for things that may or may not happen in the future.
It's putting people down a bad path. It's uh. And
that might sound like insanity or something really stupid, but
it's one true. I mean, you can see it play
out in like every single day life. And it's affecting kids.

(01:44:56):
It's affecting children, and it's affecting adults and it's you know,
but that's the thing that's like pushed out there the
most is like sucks, sucks, sucks, drugs, drugs, drugs, crime, crime, crime,
shoot you, shoot you, you know what I mean, Like, like,
if that's what you're listening to when you're speaking the lyrics.
Then at some point that is more highly likely to

(01:45:22):
actually happen because it's a spell. Right, they're brainwashing you.
They're mind controlling you, they're putting something in your head,
they're psychically driving you. That's what music is. That's what
repeating the same That's why they have the hook in music.
That's why they have the chorus in music, because it's
something that you can sing along with. Right, it's a

(01:45:44):
psychic driving. It's repeating the same thing over and over
and over again. That's why Edam music is really popular
because it's the same beat, the same thing with like
the the heavy drop, tricking your mind into believing that
you actually like the shit that you think that you're doing,
like super hard and it's complete and utter garb.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
Yeah, it's like an advertisement, man, I mean it's like
the by the third or fourth time a kid hears
about Lane in a song, they're going, Okay, I've got
to try this Lane. It's an advertisement. But yeah, before
you get out of here, man, I know we've got
to wrap it up here. Do you want to tell
anybody or tell everybody about this new project you got.

(01:46:22):
I'm pretty excited about it. Did we touch on some
of the stuff that you're going to touch on in
your next documentary.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
Yeah, So it's going to involve the government's likech expired program,
Stargate program which went under several different names. It is
going to be a whole history of that. Then it's
going to get into the h the gates of the
gifted programs that were going on in schools with the
Monroe Institute Gateway tapes, so you got Stargate Gateway school

(01:46:52):
gate programs. Is very convoluted. It was really convoluted, but
I got everything lingering up for that. I'm gonna start fuming.
Hopefully you're next month, so be on the lookout for that.
But if you are interested, please check out my other
two documentaries on Amazon Prime and to be first one
is Jfkix Solving the Crime of the Century, and the

(01:47:13):
second one is the latest one, which is a clockworkshining
in the Kubrick's Odyssey three. I would really appreciate it
if you haven't watched it yet, to please check those out.
It's really going to help fund future projects and help
me to continue to do this work and create really
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(01:47:33):
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(01:47:54):
Fantastic conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
If you guys heard anything today that you're wondering about,
or like it sparked something in you, like you want
to know more about, if we if we kind of
facilitate any kind of curiosity, go check out Writer's latest documentary,
Clockwork Shining, because he touches on a lot of this
stuff and and presents it in a way that's that's
really awesome. So yeah, thanks again Writer, and as always,

(01:48:22):
break the mold, Conquer the Realm, and thanks for listening.