MKZINE: Digital World Simulations | Jason Stone

MKZINE: Digital World Simulations with researcher and author Jason Stone.

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So with that down, Introducing our guest. He is a
co host and the co producer of m ksine Radio.
He's done extensive research and into artificial intelligence and a
remote electronic mind control. He's currently writing a book titled
Theater of Shadows that covers virtual reality simulations, digital avatars,

(01:42):
and AI managed Manchurian candidates. The book is planned for
release this year twenty twenty five in the fall. Jason Stone,
Welcome to the show and my friend. How's it going.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
It's going well, writer, Thanks for having me on. I
appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
This is a really interesting topic. Can I kind of
dive into this in my documentary a little bit with
the Manchurian Canada stuff and mind control and mk Ultra,
because that seems to be what mk Ultra really was about.
I mean, it was a few different things, but I
believe that a large majority of it was to create assassins.

(02:24):
Would you agree with that?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, I would agree with that. I think under the
project mk Ultra, there was like about one hundred and
twenty nine subprojects. So they were looking at controlling people,
influencing their behavior from using a variety of methods, right

(02:48):
and so like, whether from drugs, hypnosis, psychic driving, other methods.
So yeah, this is a big part of it, and
I think today we see that continued. I look at
mk Ultra as something that's ongoing, not necessarily in the

(03:09):
form that it originally started, but these things have a
tendency to be stopped officially and then continue on in
other forms. So whether it's like subcontracted out or a
different group picks it up to me, I look at.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
The targeted individual situation or TIS as a continuation of that.
MK Ultra laid the groundword tested the method, and then
it was applied en mass and now it's actually happening
wirelessly remotely. And they were researching this even back into
like the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
John C.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Lilly was interested in looking and creating like push button
assassins to remote control assassins, and so if you look
into his work you can see that that.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Well, there's actually a video that I'm going to show
here in just a little bit which is from a
gentleman named Woody Noris that is doing a TED talk
and he's essentially talking about this technology and how it works,
and he's one of the creators and the developers of
this technology. Now, when it comes to you know, supposed

(04:26):
targeted individuals, and this question might piss you off, but
I have to ask it because it seems like nobody
can ever really answer my question. And that is is why,
like you just mentioned, like MK alter and stuff. But
there's been several people that have claimed to be targeted

(04:48):
individuals and electronically harassed. I mean it goes back way
way further. It goes into like Leonard Keel with the
Kodak camera, where they gave him like he got brain
surgery and then they implanted a chip into his head
that made him basically go crazy and he ended up
in a psych ward. And then that's where this tenfoil

(05:11):
hat thing came from, because he would wrap his head
in tenfoil, which would supposedly block the frequencies to be
able to get into his mind. And then you get
into more modern things like James Wolbert. Are you familiar
with James Wolberts, James what's the last name again? Wolbert
w a LB E RT.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Where he was familiar with him.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
So he had a lawsuit. So he was a part
of this company and he was claiming that they were
electronically harassing him and that they had put an implant
in his head. And then he actually sued and he
won the lawsuit and that actually changed a lot of
brain implantations in a lot of states in the United States.

(05:56):
So it's not like this technology doesn't exist and that
there aren't stories and there aren't verifiable stories. But when
you look at like how many people cling to be uh,
you know, targeted individuals, do you think that all of
them are legitimately targeted individuals? Because there's so many different

(06:18):
mental illnesses. There's you know, schizophrenia, there's paranoia, and also
drugs are a main driving factor that can literally turn
make people into turn people into like going into a
psychosis really quickly. And I don't think that the drugs
help any type of situation. You know, they might even

(06:39):
like induce the what they're hearing, right, and that goes
into you know, Andridia Pooh Harridge, which was putting these
like dental implants into people. They were you know, they
were having them all well, go and go get your
cavity filled or get root canal or whatever. And then

(07:02):
they were giving people like these essentially like a microchip
dental implant into their head. And then that's what was
creating like what people were hearing. Lucier Ball at the
top of her where she literally got information from a
Japanese insurgency and then contacted the government and then they

(07:26):
stopped the insurgency because her tooth cavity was picking up
the signal from the radio frequencies that they were hearing.
So it seems like that it's done on purpose, like
they're trying to induce this type of thing on a
lot of the population. And then when you look at
how many people are on pharmaceutical drugs, dude, it is

(07:48):
in an insane number of people. In the United States alone,
over half the population is on some form of pharmaceutical drug.
And then when you look at like Eli Lilly and
Company me and Eli Lellying Company was the first manufacturer
for the CIA in the United States for LSD. They
were also the first manufacturer of prozac, right, and then

(08:10):
they're pushing out all these anti psychotic medications and antidepressant medications,
you know. So, I mean, what's your thoughts on all that?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Well, you brought up several good points.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
So just going back to MK Ultra, so that one
of the fundamental projects that they had was testing out
these different techniques of controlled testing out drugs on different
people who were unwitting, who had no idea that this
was happening to them. Right. This continued on a project

(08:45):
in the early nineteen eighties, it's called a project Sleeping Beauty,
tested that same exact idea. It was using remote electronic
brain stimulation to see if they could.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Influence the behavior unwitting targets. And so.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
In MK ultra when they were using drugs, it was
a way to have a starting point, so to take
one person's a person's personality and to shift it or
change it after the use of drugs.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Right, So all these.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Pharmaceuticals, using all these pharmaceuticals, it provides a plausible or
reasonable point to overlay a new personality, to interfere with
the previous state of the being, and to create a
new personality.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Let's just say if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
And then as to the reason why, it's pretty simple
medical research and military research. You have this weapon, you
have this technology, you want to test it out, test
it out on a wide variety of people.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
And I didn't come up with this idea. This is
Robert Duncan.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
He's the author of the Matrix Deciphered Project, Soul Catcher.
He's one of the individuals who worked on these projects
at a very high level, one of the Alphabet agencies,
actually a few of them, so you would anyhow, his
idea is that this is basically, in one way or another,
it's just it's a research project testing out the use

(10:21):
of this technology, seeing how it works, improving it and
so on. And the way that you can tell perhaps
that this is working is you see these patterns, right,
You see these patterns within people where they're having some
sort of what we call mental illness, which can be.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Created remotely.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
You can overlay the signals of a person's bring using
another person's We call it brain patterns or brain frequency.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
That makes sense, I'm muted.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Sorry? What about what about the people that have been
experiencing this before the technology had ever happened. I mean,
schizophrenia goes back decades and decades and decades. I mean
people have been hearing voices in their heads for a
really long time.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Well, let's talk about schizophrenia if you go back and
you look at the way it's defined. Originally in the
early nineteen hundreds, the average person that was diagnosed with
schizophrenia was usually timid, quiet, white women who were basically

(11:48):
turned over to the medical system by their husbands because
they either, you know, weren't putting out or weren't cooperating,
you know, maybe they wanted some independence or something along
those lines. Shift to the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties,
the average person that was being diagnosed with schizophrenia was
usually young, black and interested.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
In the civil rights movement.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
And this is documented outside of the conspiracy theory world.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
This is in the academic circles.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
This is known, I mean, not very well known, you
can look it up, but there's like, how does a
mental illness go from being mostly timid white women who
are quiet to being like what they considered anti social, angry, violent.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
And so on. And there was nothing attached to.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Concerning like hearing voices or anything like that. That wasn't
even in the original DSM. It was attached later on,
I think the second DSM. The hearing voices thing was
attached to alcoholics, and it was more of like a
narrative of like an alcoholic feeling like out are depressed

(13:01):
and having sort of like a depressed inner monologue. So
in as far as the ability to transmit hearing voices,
that's pretty well documented too. And I mean there are
people in the government that have come out and said, yes,
this technology exists, Yes, the Havana syndrome is reel. They
testified in Congress and they basically said, yeah, we understand

(13:23):
how this technology works. Basically, it's designed to make someone
feel like they're going crazy, to make them feel like
they're losing touch with reality. So mostly it's a lack
of imagination and knowledge on the part of the public
who just aren't interested in following up and verifying any
of the information that's out there.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Well, also, the CIA came out and said that there
was nothing to the Havana syndrome stule. There's a huge
article on it, but I mean, we can't trust anything
that they say. They just came out and said that
Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself and that there was nothing
to that, and you didn't have a client, So knock
and forth thing like they It's like verified one minute

(14:06):
and then the next minute nothing to it.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
That's the that's the method, right, It's a way to
announce and deny it the same situation. So it's sort
of like a sy o type thing, right, where you
provide a little bit of information, you say yeah, yeah,
it's totally happening, and then someone off to the side says, no,
no way, that's not happening. So there's no way to
form like a concrete basis, especially if you don't follow
it up on your own and look into it.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, I'm showing the article here several times on the show.
Would I already had it up if I hey Google? Sometimes? Yeah,

(15:03):
because it's like a flip flopping back and forth thing
like all the time with these people.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yeah, yeah, I mean perfect Havana.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Syndrome isn't caused by electronic Oh my god, Now I
gotta sign into this and then the articles you gotta
sign up for. Okay, there's no there's no There is
so much anger Havana syndrome victims frustrated CIA isn't blaming

(15:32):
Russia for the symptoms. I don't know where it is,
but they basically came out and said that they found
no evidence of the Havana syndrome being connected to electronic
harassment or something. This was like three years ago or whatever.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Article there's a there's no reason for them to come
out and say, yeah, this is actually happening, because then
they'd have to admit, yeah, we can do this too, basically, right,
I mean, if there's somebody else out in the world
that can do this, then obviously it's going to be
available at home. The documentation is out there, it's known

(16:16):
microwave hearing. All of that that was down back in
the sixties, but even starting World War Two, nineteen twenties
and the Soviet Union, they were looking into this as well.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
So it's been developing for a while. Well.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
The one thing that I'm really curious about, Jason, is
there has to be some kind of backdoor into this thing,
like in order to make you susceptible to it, because
I one believe that if you have a rational clear mind,

(16:56):
like it couldn't possibly affect you. Because if you have
a rational clear mind, then you're going to know that
this is something that's coming from outside of you, like,
this is something that's like happening to you. Right, But
if you don't, if you're under the influence of something,
or if you have trauma, or if you have I

(17:21):
think that they have to have a back door into
your mind, right in that back doors through drugs, through trauma.
And that's why we see this big, these big types
of traumatizing events. Right we had twenty twenty, we had
nine to eleven JFK assassination. It goes on and on
and on and on. Right, we get these mass, huge

(17:45):
nationwide traumatizing events, and then that gives them this back
door into people's minds, and then also through the media
and through the amount of drugs alyssa drug use or
scription drug use that gives them the ability to intercept
into people's minds. And I think that that would be

(18:08):
the only way that it could work, because if you
weren't under the influence of some sort of drug, if
you weren't mass traumatized or even traumatized on like an
individual level, like something that happened to you personally when
you were growing up or something like that, because that's
the common factor with a lot of the people that
have been through a MK ultra style program is that

(18:34):
they were traumatized as a very young kid. So they
were taken into the program, they were they volunteered for
the program, or it was done, or they were sold
into the program, right, and a lot of them I've
had prior like sexual abuse as a as a child,

(18:55):
so that was like priming them and then getting them
ready for what the government was ultimately going to do
to them.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Would just I guess I would mention that, Yeah, that's
the right track. Any sort of like a major shift
in a person's like a personal life, like trauma or
substance use or anything along those lines provides in or
an angle to work this system, right, because it provides

(19:31):
an opportunity for a change to occur, changing the way
a person's thinking.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Right.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
But I'll just put this idea out there. What if
it were possible to observe the functioning of a person's
brain and mind and able to there was a way
to record that information from a distance. And then so
let's say you just profiled someone for like years or
something along those lines, like for years and years, you

(19:56):
had their pattern down, you know how they did things,
you know how they functioned in their life, if you
know how their brain functioned in different situations. For that
information and you have basically a profile of that person
at least the functioning of their brain and nervous system,
you can make slight or small alterations to that data
using AI by comparing it to other individuals patterns. Right,

(20:21):
So basically you could control a person from a distance
if you had the ability to collect that data, inspect
it and understand it, and then retransmit it. That does
that make sense?

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah, it does make sense. But again, like I don't
I wouldn't understand how that would work if like you
had like a rational mind about you, Like, if something
comes into my head that I'm not familiar with, then
I am immediately going to be like, no, that's like
not me, right, that's not what that's not my thoughts,

(21:00):
you know what I mean, Like, it's not going to
affect me because I know the way that I think,
and I'm very like cognizant of my own free will. Right.
They would literally have to break you down into like

(21:23):
small little They would have to fracture your mind to
a point that you would wouldn't even be able to
realize who you even are. And that's another thing that
I mean, that's another problem with the mk Ultra programs
is that a lot of people through the MK Ultra
programs would go catatonic because they wouldn't be able to

(21:45):
withstand the amount of trauma that they endured in order
for them to split their psyche into many compartmentalized parts,
and they weren't able to keep it all together, they
weren't able to rationalize certain things, and they would just

(22:07):
you know, become a zombie essentially.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, right, right, So for the more extreme cases, if
like let's say, like a TI is to become like
a Manchurian candidate or a sleeper agent or something along
those lines.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, there would be a certain amount of like breakdown.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
But I mean there's also a number of people who
are I don't know, just sort of like criminally minded
or into just malicious activities. That sort of thing is
just more of like not necessarily like they're looking to

(22:45):
be a criminal or something like that, but they just
do you know, antisocial or violent activity that sort of thing. Right,
This technology isn't used just to make Venturian candidates. Now,
it's used so just to influence individuals individually and as
a collective.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
The Sentient World Simulation is a program that ties into this.
I don't know if the Sentient World Simulation is directly
tied to this TI thing or not, but I do
know that what it represents in what it can do,
is very useful in that it replicates individuals in a
digital environment using collected data which is accessible and then

(23:30):
also data from data brokers, and they can create profiles
and then create certain events in a digital environment. And
I don't see why anyone with any sort of power
the capability who would have access to such technology wouldn't
use it to control people or to understand and predict

(23:53):
and control the future.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Well, I guess my only thing would be is like,
why would you need to do that? Right? You don't
really need to put people like control people to do crime. Right.
You just throw them in an environment where crime is
the only way that they can make a living, and

(24:19):
then you have a lot of crime. Right. You just
throw them into the to the hood, and then they
have no other choice but to do breaking and enterings
and sell drugs and do crime. I mean, I don't
I guess I'm having a hard time understanding what would
be the purpose of why would you need to do

(24:41):
that when the circumstances and the environment that people are
already in already facilitates that type of activity.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, I mean, I guess it would just be similar
to the question why would you need to do a
program like mk ltrap to me or to you? It's
like why which you need to control individuals? I mean,
I don't have a good reason to do that. I
wouldn't want to be a part of that. But there
are people who were concerned with it and did participate
in it, and did set up programs like that, and

(25:12):
it's continued on, I mean they I have no idea
why they different groups were interested in learning how to
remotely influence individuals.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
But it's out there.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
The information's out there, and I think some individuals, some
groups of people consider themselves as sort of like the
architects of the universe or the architects of society, and
they want to control the trajectory of society. They want
to maintain their power, and so they'll go about by
any means to make that happen. These are things that necessarily,

(25:48):
perhaps I don't think about, or other people don't think about.
They're definitely people who are very concerned with that. They
put in a lot of work, and it's i would say,
like centuries long project in that respect. Necessarily the technology
as it is existing today, but that general idea of
being able to control society, and I mean it's basically

(26:09):
it's a reason. Why is there Why were there kings
and queens? Why are there presidents? You know, they're sort
of controlling the way society works, and there are a
few different ways to control it.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, I would agree with that too a certain extent, like, yeah,
why why do we need a president? Why do we
need all these laws and all these rules. I mean,
when you think about it, though, it's like, well, could
we operate without all of this stuff? Like would we
be okay if it was a I mean, and some

(26:46):
people would say, yeah, we would be all right, but
who knows? I mean, dude, Like, we couldn't even expect
people to be civil when we didn't have arrows on
the ground in the grocery store telling us where to go.
Like that shows a little bit about our society. I mean,
people want to be led. That's another problem with our

(27:10):
society in general. People want to be told what to
do if they if they're not told what to do,
then they're lost. I Mean. The perfect example of this
is like I went into a Windy's the other day
and I wanted a Frosty. I just wanted a frosty,
A frosty ninety nine cent. Well, it's probably more now.

(27:34):
I haven't got a Frosty in a really long time.
But I was at a gas station there was a
Windy's attached to it. Walked over to the Windys and
I said, hey, man, can I get a Frosty? He said, Oh,
I can't ring up a frosty right now because I'm
only doing like to go orders, only on door dash

(27:56):
and only on Uber Eats. I said, well, I have
the cash right here. How much is it? They said, oh,
it's a I forget what he said it was. But
he couldn't give it to me, and he was like,
I'm the only one working back here. And I was like, okay, well,
you could have taken my dollar whatever and then figured

(28:18):
it out later and gave me the frosty, or you
just could have given me the frosty for free, right hey,
you could have done me a solid. All I wanted
was one frosty. Okay, late at night, you could have
just given me a frosty. Bro, What what is that
going to do? But people are so in p seed

(28:41):
out that they don't even want to break the rules
for a job that they hate and that they don't
even want to be doing, you know. And I'm like,
that's the complete opposite of any job that I've ever had.
Anytime that I was growing up, there there were people
that would like if when I was a kid, I

(29:03):
was a skater, Like I would, you know, skate around
town all the time on my skateboard and stuff, and
I would go into a Wendy's, and there was a
girl that really liked all the skater people and she
would just give us free meals all the time. I'm like, yeah,
that's cool, Like that's that's great. Like people, they don't
want to push the status quo of anything. They don't

(29:25):
want to break the rules. They have completely been subservient
to the man, even in a job that doesn't even matter,
a job that is so low on the totem pole,
working at Windy's, Like you can't give someone a frosty

(29:48):
or take the money and then figure it out later.
You know, we've gotten so docile and our thinking, which
I believe is a part of this program as well. Right,
they don't want people that are thinkers. They don't want
people that are thinking outside of the box that will

(30:11):
make their own decisions. They want people following a guideline
of beliefs and a guideline of rules. And whenever they
step out of line, then like they think that they're
going to get in trouble. Bro, you're not going to
get fired for giving me a frosty, Dude, more than

(30:32):
likely they don't even know, dude, Like it gets under
this like surveillance state type scenario that they're kind of
like prepping us for. Right. They want us to believe
that we are constantly being watched all the time twenty
four to seven. There's cameras everywhere, which there is. I mean,
our phone is listening to every single thing that we say.
How many times have you been talking about something, Jason

(30:54):
and then some ad pops up on your phone? I
mean it's listening to everything you say. Every single conversation
you've ever had is being recorded and stored somewhere in
some kind of database. All your text messages, all of
your stuff on every social media platform is all being
stored somewhere, which I think is to create some sort

(31:15):
of digital avatar of a some sort of digital replica
of us for something in the future. Do you think
that that's going on?

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah. I mean basic computers in the Internet were primarily
used through the military, and the idea of creating a
simulation of reality started at least back in the Vietnam War.
They had this thing called the McNamara Line, which was
a defensive line separating the north of Vietnam from the

(31:52):
South of Vietnam. They used a wide variety of sensors
to detect motion, heat, sent using a chemical sensor, pressure sound,
all of those things, and they collected all that information.
They had airplanes flying in the sky twenty four to

(32:12):
seven as a relay, So these sensors would transmit to
airplanes in the sky, and then from the airplanes they
would transmit to a like basically center where they would
collect all that information in Thailand, and they would use
computers to create a strategy based on the information that

(32:34):
was on the ground in real time, and it would
either set up an automatic response or provide options to
a person who was at the console as far as hey,
these are the different things that could be done right now.
And so they would could set up like a strike
using a gunship and they would automatically fly out. They'd

(32:55):
have the location keyed in and they would just you know,
have at it, destroy it, destroy that area. The problem though,
that they've kind of figured out, was that they couldn't
tell the difference between a gun and a shovel, right,
So if you've got a group of farmers walking around
with a shovel, or you've got a troop of soldiers

(33:18):
with rifles, the system.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Couldn't figure that out.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Well, that's been improved and it's continued on that technology
was developed. It was sent to a really specific group,
a big time group directly connected to an alphabet agency.
I don't like to use names, but if you go,
if anyone goes and looks into it, look at the
mcnamarline and Igloo White and you can follow up on it.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
This is also in the book The.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Pentagon's Brain by it Annie Frank I think is her
last name. So she's done a number of books. Another
one was Phenomena and so any Jacobson, sorry, any Jacobson.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
So she's written a number of books. She's a great writer.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
And so that's where I found out about that, the
ability to sense information. And I was just looking at
another article from the WEF and they're looking to have autonomous,
continuous sensing of the environments in the city and of
human beings. So they would set up sensors so that

(34:32):
basically you and I and everyone else would become just
a collection point, so that they would be able to
use our bodies as a sensor to detect what's happening
within us and around us, and the detect what's happening
within cities. And then they would use something that they're
calling multi modal algorithms or using a variety of data

(34:57):
inputs and using that to create a big pick sure
of what's happening within the world and within the communities.
This is just over whatever was happening with the WEF
this summer when they were meeting.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
So what do you think is the ultimate end goal here?
I mean, how long could that type of society last?
Where we're in these fifteen minute cities, it's all smart cities,
it's all surveillance based, it's all technology driven, everything's done

(35:38):
by AI. Like, how sustainable is that? And how long
do you think that it could go on for before
people are like I'm done with it?

Speaker 4 (35:54):
You know?

Speaker 1 (35:54):
It's kind of like Divergent. Have you seen the movie
Divergent about Yeah, Like, I don't understand how long that
could possibly last. I mean, and I understand that that's
like the the sort of like the end goal of
what these corporations and the government and some people at

(36:15):
the top want to happen, But I don't really understand
how they think that that's going to last forever. The
only way that they can last forever is that if
we all are just cyborgs, like legitimately augmented with robotics,

(36:37):
and at that point there's no real biological life. And
I don't know if that's what, Yeah, it would necessarily be,
because then it's like, well, who's then repairing the robots? Right,
there's the robots just repairing other robots. Have you seen

(36:59):
that movie what it's called Extinction? The movie Extinction on
Netflix where there's like an alien invasion. The aliens come
down and then they start like killing people and stuff.
But then at the end of the movie you realize
that the aliens aren't really aliens. The aliens are humans

(37:22):
and the people that they're killing are AI robots.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Right right, Yeah, yeah, I think I remember that.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
I don't remember all the details of it, but it
sounds absolutely familiar. That's sort of the way I think
about the whole most of the UFO UAP phenomena. I
substitute out the word alien and I added whatever three
letters for an alphabet agency that seems to fit the most,
because that makes the most sense, and that's the game plan.

(37:54):
That's part of the game plan. So I don't know,
maybe I have it wrong. I could have it wrong.
I might not have all the details, but I think
that's reasonable to at least consider that possibility.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Maybe, Well, when you look at like aliens and like
UFOs and like the big term that's going around right now,
non human intelligence. I mean, non human intelligence is what
AI is. AI is non human intelligence. So are these
things just unmanned drones, like that's what it seems like,

(38:29):
or are they military drones? Or what's to deal with it?
I mean, it's just a coincidence that the non human
intelligence term becomes popular right around this time of the
rise of artificial intelligence and AI. You know, everyone's now
you know, using AI for all sorts of things. You know,

(38:50):
it's just a coincidence that now non human intelligence is
a really fashionable term that then coincides with AI.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Right, yeah, it lines up.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, So it's like, what are these things really? I mean,
are they actually just then? I mean, I believe that
a lot of it's just the military and the government.
Large percentage of it is just military craft. I don't
know if you've seen that article that came out on
the New York Post that talked about how the Air

(39:34):
Force recruits were getting shown fake documents in fake photos
of UFOs as like an initiation ritual, and then they
were never told that the documents were fake and the
photos were fake. So they went through their entire lives
and their entire service thinking that they were exposed to

(39:56):
some top secret document and top secret photos. Yeah, it's
in quanity, the mind games that they play, not only
with the UFOs and the alien narrative and uphology, but
just with everything.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, and I would have to add that, like, I
certainly am open to the possibility that such a thing
does exist outside of the realm of our current understanding.
I also just know that all these things can be replicated.
The work has been put into replicating these basic like

(40:40):
natural phenomena, you know, And so there's a whole sort
of like covert subversive activity that's set up to kind
of make everybody question what is real and what is
not real. I do believe that there could be such

(41:01):
a thing as alien entities. I don't think that's happening
quite the way that most people believe. Like, I don't
think they've come here to help us out or whatever
whatever the narrative that's going on right now, that's not it.
But I think possibly maybe something I don't know, I
really don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
I'm open to it, though, just because.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
When you close yourself off from thinking about something in
one way, then you're never going to be able to
see it, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
And so we're not always right.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
I'm not always right, So I just say maybe it
could be true, but personally I think that most of
it is like military involved.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Absolutely. All right, Let's watch this video from two thousand
and four from a TED talk by a gentleman named
what he nor is what is responsible for a lot
of this technology that we've been talking about in developing.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
Here, All of audio as we know it is an
attempt to be more and more perfectly linear. Linearity means
higher quality sound. Hypersonic sound is exactly the opposite. It's
one percent based on nonlinearity. An effect happens in the air.

(42:21):
It's a corrupting effect of the sound, the ultrasound in
this case that's emitted. But it's so predictable that you
can produce very precise audio out of that effect. Now,
the question is where's the sound made. Instead of being
made on the face of the cone, it's made at
literally billions of little independent points along this narrow column

(42:43):
in the air. And so when I aim it towards you,
what you hear is made right next to your ears.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Oh that's interesting, Jason.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Right right, Yeah, And in this video what you Noris
goes on to say, Yeah, we can project sound into
a military fighter, an Iraqi soldier and pretend to be
the voice of God, and we can put troop movements
off in the distance, so it sounds like something's happening
off in the distance, and so and then he also

(43:18):
mentioned that every single unit that they produced was picked
up by some sort of military connected or military group.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
So that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
So that in my book Theater Shadows, I'm gonna get
into this a little bit more and sort of try
to point out the way that this sort of a
situation could happen to someone where they would think that
they're having a certain type of experience, to point out
how the technology is at the point now where you

(43:51):
people can't necessarily trust their senses automatically, especially in situations.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
That are veering off far from your usual path.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
If it's like unusual or unexpected, it can be of
the opinion that it could be replicated. I could be wrong,
and I don't necessarily think it happens in every single situation,
but there are situations where it appears to be the case,
and people have come out. I think there's Greg Giles.
He was connected to like a really big UFO group

(44:24):
and eventually he came to understand that he was not
in contact with the space for others, the aliens. It
was something totally different, and he put that message out
there and shut it down. And there are other people,
there are other stories out there like that. It's not
just in that situation. So I think David Hoffman, he

(44:49):
wrote the book Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare, he really
points out a lot of details into the operations of
these sort of psychological operations right.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Well, that brings in to question the channeling and the
channeling of like entities, like what is this really going
on here? Is this like really the military that's given
you all this information? Like what's going on? Are they
hacking into your brain? Let's watch a little bit more
of this video.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
I said, we can shorten the column, we can spread
it out to cover the couch. I can put it
so that one ear here's one speaker, the other ear
here's the other. That's true binaural sound. When you listen
to stereo in your home system, you're both ears. Hear
both speakers. Turn on the left speaker sometime and notice
you're hearing it also in your right ear. So the

(45:48):
stage is more restricted. The sound stage it's supposed to
spread out in front of you, because the sound is
made in the air along this column. It does not
follow the inverse square law, which says it drops off
about two thirds every time you double the distance six
d b every time you go from one meter, for instance,
to two meters. That means you go to a rock

(46:09):
concert or a symphony and the guy in a front
row gets the same level as a guy in the
back row. Now, all of a sudden, isn't that terrific.
So we've been, as I say, very successful, very lucky
in having companies catch the vision of this. From cars,
car makers who want to put a stereo system in
the front for the kids, a separate system in the back. No,

(46:30):
the kids aren't driving today, I was seeing if you
were listening. Actually, I haven't had breakfast yet. A stereo
system in the front for mom and dad. And maybe
there's a little DVD player in the back for the kids,
and the parents don't want to be bothered with that,
or they're rap music or whatever. So again, this idea
of being able to put sound anywhere you want to

(46:51):
is really starting to catch on. It also works for
transmitting and communicating data. It also works five times better underwater.
We've got the military had just deployed some of these
into Iraq, where you can put fake troop movements a
quarter of a mile away on the hillside.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
They laugh, But that's the real deal.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Yeah, yeah, I think that video came out I want
to say, like twenty years ago, like two thousand and
eight something.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Around there, and four I believe and four oh.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, so like twenty years ago.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
And I mean that was being developed since at least
the nineteen sixties. One version of it. It's like called
microwave hearing, right, So yeah, I mean the technology is
out there.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
It's possible.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
If I were some person who had access to the
resources and was in the position to use such a
technology and a technique to influence people for whatever reason,
think that it would be done.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
And that's just an opinion. So yeah, I'll just leave
it at that.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
Or you can whisper in the ear of a supposed
terrorist some biblical verse. I'm serious.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
They're laughing. They're laughing at it, But that's very real.
I mean, that wasn't that used. I'm pretty sure that
was used at one point where they made people believe
that they were hearing like the voice of God or
something on, like some kind of military soldiers. Am I
getting that wrong or is that right?

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (48:44):
It was.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
It was used in Iraq and supposedly they were projecting
that sound into.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Bunkers and they were. But one thing was that they
were replicating the voices.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Of officers or generals and communicating information to people so
that they would follow like contradictory orders. Another one was
just creating like a state of mind of just fear
and anxiety and so on and on and on. And

(49:23):
it's out there that has been reported on, and people
will go out and feel like they're interested in understanding
a little bit more about how the world's working these days.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
They can look it up.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
And they have these infrared devices that can look at
their countenance and see a fraction of a degree calvin
in temperature shift from one hundred yards away when they
play this thing. And so another way of hope hopefully
determining who's friendly and who isn't. We make a version
of this which puts out one hundred and fifty five

(50:01):
pain is one hundred and twenty. So it allows you
to go nearly a mile away and communicate with people,
and there can be a public beach just off to
the side and they don't even know it's turned on.
We sell those to the military presently for about seventy
thousand dollars, and they're buying them as fast as we
can make them. We put it on a turret with
a camera so that when they shoot at you, you're

(50:22):
over there and it's there.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
They put it on a turret, Jason, They're putting these
electronic devices on a turret on public beaches.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah, I something came to mind that I believe during
World War Two the Germans developed a similar sort of
technology where it wasn't necessarily sound, but it was interfering
with the operation of the brain by transmitting a specific

(51:02):
frequency that would incapacitate people, you know, basically like make
them pass out or feel so much discomfort that they
couldn't function and perform their duties as soldiers. Problem that
they had at that time was that they could direct
it towards the battlefield, but anyone who was operating it

(51:22):
was also caught up in the signal and so the
person who turned it on would also be hit.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
By it and be incapacitated.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
So you know, yeah, don't they use that for like
crowd dispersal stuff now in the United States, Like don't
they have like it's like a big they'll roll in
like a tank. I think it was just used not
in the United States, but it was used in another

(51:50):
country to disperse the giant crowd like people just started running. Yeah,
it was like this.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
Big, like.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Rectangular type of thing that had like a little point
on the center of it, and then it just rolled
into this crowd and then everyone just started running out
of nowhere. Yeah. I think it's like an ultra low
yell type of frequency or something that induces fear. And

(52:23):
I think there's one that just like screws with your
hearing or something like that.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
I mean there are YouTube videos of people who like
to dabble in technology are inte electronics, and they build
these sort of devices like you could call it like
psychotronic weapons. The term that it's used today it's a
neuro weapon because it's targeting the brain and the nervous system.

(52:54):
But yeah, they're out there. I'm thinking of a video
right now where a neuro and or a psychotronic weapon.
This guy built it. The details are out there, and
so you have the schematics and he built it, and
it disrupts your ability to speech, so it targets specifically
the ability of your brain to speak coherently and clearly,

(53:18):
and so in other words, you start talking nonsensically, like
word salad, right, you know. And so anyhow, these things
do exist and they're out there. So that's mostly I
think the important thing to note is that these capabilities

(53:42):
do exist.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Most people are of the opinion.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
That the human body and the human brain is inaccessible,
everything is private, you know. All of that is maybe
was true at one point, but at this point in time,
it's a little bit different. And so it's debatable as
to whether like who could be influenced by this system,

(54:07):
who could be influenced by this technology. That's open to debate,
but it does exist and it is possible.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
So this one is called the active denial system. The
Active Denial system ADS is a directed energy weapon developed
by the United States Military design for a denial perimeter,
security and crowd control, and formerly the weapon is also
called heat ray since it works by heating the surface
of targets, such as the skin of a targeted human beings.

(54:37):
Raytheon had marketed and reduced range version of this technology.
ADS was deployed in twenty ten with the United States
military in the Afghanistan War, but was withdrawn without seeing combat.
Okay Okay. August twentieth, twenty ten, in Los Angeles Sheriff's
Department announced it's intent to use the technology to controlled

(55:00):
incarcerated people in the Patches Detention Center in Los Angeles,
stating that its intent use was our operational evaluation in
situations such as breaking up prisoner fights. As of twenty fourteen,
ADS was the only vehicle mounted weapon. This was what
I was talking about. Through the US Marines and police

(55:21):
were both working on portable versions. The ADS was developed
under a sponsorship with the Department of Defense and Non
Lethal Weapons Program in the Air Force Research Laboratory and
as a lead agency. In twenty fourteen, there were reports
that Russia China were developing their own versions of the
active denial system.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yeah, they also used it, that sort of technology on
like tanker ships or those big ships container ships that
are in the ocean. They use it and to hit.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Like pirates and whatnot, like literal pirates, you know, the
type that try and like take over oil tankers or
try to take over containerships.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
You can look that up too and see that. So
this stuff is out there.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
So I think just I don't really like to inspire
too much fear or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
It's just worthwhile to know what is and is not possible.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
And generally speaking, there's a large amount of people that
are just wrapped up in many different issues, and some
of them are important, some of them less important. But
we all have to decide what's important and what do
we spend our time looking into. You know, what do
we understand about the world. Do we understand the world

(56:42):
as a thing that's sort of like a fantasy thing
that we imagine it to be, or do we understand
it as it actually is? And you know, there's a
group of people that believe there's no such thing as
truth and that the truth doesn't exist and the truth
is just an opinion.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
But I think otherwise, well, that weapon also brings into question.
The Dyat Love Pass incident in Russia brings in the
question the Kamara Duban incident, also in Russia. Are you
familiar with those two where the dyat Love Pass, a

(57:22):
group of eight hikers I believe it was, were all
found with their clothes off, like frozen in the It
seems like an experiment, and that happened right by a
military base as well. You know. Then the Kamar Duban
incident was in ninety three, I believe ninety two or

(57:43):
ninety three were almost the exact same thing happened were
there were these group of hikers that went up on
this mountain and one of them got deathly sick, start
puking up blood. They were bleeding out of their ears,
they were bleeding out of their eyes and bleeding out
out of their nose and out of their mouth. And
then one of the group went close to them, and

(58:05):
then they also got incapacitated. One lady even like started
bashing her head off of a rock until she died.
I think there was a survivor, one survivor of that,
Valentina Corvinia I think was her name. She survived and
she that's the only reason that how we know what happened,

(58:27):
because she survived. She got away from whatever was going
on with these people and they took their clothes off
like and she went down to this lake and there
was a kayaker down there, and the kayaker took her
to the police department and then she fought out a
police report and told the police exactly everything that happened.

(58:50):
But that seems like some kind of experiment too, with
some kind of nerve agent or something. It was like
out of nowhere, like one person in the the group collapsed,
the other person went to check on them, then they
started getting sick. Then one by one all of them
started experiencing the same exact symptoms. Is there insane case?

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Yeah, there are, and there are other cases like that.
There are too many out there that sort of have
that same framework. And it's like you have to question, Okay,
looking at this as objectively as possible, for what reason
would they started all at the same time, or one
after the others stripping off all their clothes. What would

(59:36):
induce them to sort of have that sort of a reaction,
you know, And obviously it's difficult to with not having
been there, to say definitively, yeah, this is what happened,
But it seems to line up with what the technology
is capable of and what its intention is to do,

(59:58):
and it's.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Intended to disrepped people.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
And I think one of the definitions of a weapon
is to induce the person to enter into a frame
of mind or into a state of being that's more
in line with the goals of the person operating the
weapon or using the weapon on the other person.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
All right, this is the incident right here. It's called
the Camar Duban incident. And I was right. It was
August fifth, nineteen ninety three. The trip, the deaths. According
to Valentino or Tochenko, the sole survivor who was descending
them down the mountain at the altitude of three hundred
ninety seven meters, who was at the back of the group,

(01:00:44):
started screaming. He was bleeding from his eyes and ears,
frothing at the mouth. He fell to the ground, convulsing,
and then when still Corvina ran up to him, trying
to get him to gain consciousness. A moment later, she
cried out, having the same symptoms. She convuls and then
collapse on top of the other gentleman who had gotten
to the Corvina first was the next to collapse, so

(01:01:06):
three people were collapsing. Grabbing their throat though she couldn't breathe,
she clawed over to a nearby rock and bashed her
head against it until she went limp while running, they
collapsed and died, throwing out blood and crawling at their
calling at their throats, tearing their clothes off. Or Tachenko
hurried away, but shortly after Tavishkin also collapsed, convulsing. Or

(01:01:33):
Toachenko ran down the mountain, set up a tent right
under the nearby colored tree, and fell asleep. On the
next day, she returned to the side of her friend's
death to to retrieve their supplies she needed from their bodies.
For four days, she followed a group of power lines
down the mountain in hopes that someone would find her.
She found a river which started following it. On August ninth,

(01:01:55):
she was found by a group of Ukrainian hikers kayakers,
who took her to the nearest police station, where she
filed a report. That's an insane it's an insane story,
dah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
And there are there are other stories very similar, not
that extreme. But there's one part too that where it
sounds like the person is body maybe is being taken
over and so their ability to control themselves. And many
of the people who we consider or could have the
label of like a Manchurian candidate. They say that I

(01:02:32):
feel like they're sort of like in a trance and
that their body's being taken over and that they can't
control themselves, and so we don't have a natural defense
to ward off a signal overtaking our body, right. The
University of Washington did this study where they they had

(01:02:53):
two people. They were both wearing brain computer interfaces that
were basically like a skull cap on the top of
their head with the EEG sensors or electro and cephalograph
sensors sensing the functioning of the brain.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
But then they also had.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
A sort of a setup where they could have a
magnetic pulsing in a certain select part of the brain.
And so one person was put on the one side
of the campus and then the other person put on
the opposite side of the campus. And one person, the
person in control, was playing a video game and had

(01:03:30):
control of the video game, and then the other person
did not. And so the first person person a let's
just say, was able to play the video game and
send the signal of his hand moving and clicking buttons
to play the video game to the second person, and
the second person acted out the physical actions that were
being transmitted from the original first person. So and that

(01:03:55):
was like and that was signals they were transmitted through
the internet, it right, And this was I don't know,
some years back, probably like a decade ago, and research
into that basic idea is continued onward. And so yeah,
there's that too. So it sort of makes me wonder, like, Okay,

(01:04:15):
what happens to people occasionally this sort of thing seems
like it happens. There are other stories, like there were
two women in the United Kingdom from Sweden, two sisters,
and there's this video footage of them just running out
into traffic getting like ran over by cars, and then
the police go and pull them back to the to
the shoulder, and then they get back up and they

(01:04:37):
run out and one of them gets hit by what
looks like a semi truck or a box truck or something.
They get flung into the air, and and so that
that incident is labeled by some people as these people
are a victim of a psychotronic weapon or a euroweapon.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
And so yeah, survive those second.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Yes, yeah, yeah, they both survived.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
They were both extremely damaged, but they did recover. And
then one of them went out and was released from
the hospital or left the hospital. The other I think
was put in jail or something like that for one
reason or another. And the person who was released went
out and just ended up killing some random guy for

(01:05:27):
whatever reason, some guy that was trying to help her
out because she was just wandering the streets and he
saw that try to do what he thought was the
right thing and help her out, and she just ended
up murdering him. So it's pretty bizarre story and it

(01:05:48):
sort of makes you wonder. And there are other stories
out there, some of them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
I'm sort of the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Mind that like, Okay, how do we know what's going
on here? You know, how do we actually know what's
happening here? But it seems like there are patterns or
signals that sort of point to something's odd about this story.
Something's not lining up, you know, mental health and mental illness. Sure,

(01:06:13):
it's a real thing, but the ability to manufacture create
it too does exist. And I'm also is it possible
to control the functioning of other human beings, not necessarily
just their mental state or their emotional state, or their
cognitive ability like their awareness or their ability to focus

(01:06:34):
or so on, but their physical actions because all those
things are processed in the brain, they're accessible, and so
that's where we're at.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
What was the name of that incident? Do you know
what the name of it is? I'm going to look
that up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
I can't recall it right now, but yeah, yeah, it
was just two women I believe there from a Scandinavian
country and they were just running out into traffic and
like on a whatever the English version of a freeway
or a highway is. I don't call it something else,
I think in what we do in the US.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
But.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Wow, I'm gon have to look into that. Well, Jason,
thanks so much for coming on, brother, really appreciate it.
Can you let people know where to find you online?
And let people know when your book is coming out
and where they can find your book and anything else
that you would like to plug social media, other shows,
whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
To do, brother, Yeah, So I don't use a lot
of social media, but if people want to send an email,
you can reach me at mkzine at gmail dot com.
And I'm working with Ron Patent to set up the

(01:07:53):
mkzine podcast mkzine Radio on the ground zero network. So
we're working on getting that put together. We had it
set up as a previous iteration with a previous group
who was doing all of that, a different group. But
now Ground zero has moved on and they're doing their

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own thing, and so we're working to update and get
new episodes online. And then so as far as the
book that's being worked on right now, I've done most
of the research, doing the writing and editing, and I
hope to have that out in the fall this year
twenty twenty five, fall winter twenty twenty five. That'll be

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self published, and I'm guessing you can find that on
the one online retailor.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
That everybody knows about but probably doesn't want to use.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Amazon.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
You said it, not me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Well, I'll get the links into the description for everyone
the check out more of Jason's work and everyone else.
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Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Bye bye,