July 12, 2025 • 12 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
But just to set the stage, I was a businessman
at one point. I'm now married, I have children, I'm
becoming very successful in the vacation rental business in South Texas.
And I moved from Boston, Massachusetts down there with my
dad back in two thousand and four, and I started
to have some type of success.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And I'm married now. But I was a full blown alcoholic.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I had a string of bad business deals happen and
I boxed myself in. I lost my career, lost my
family directly after that, and.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Once I didn't have them in my life, I made
a conscious decision.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I just started dabbling with crystal mass and when they
were gone, I moved into my father's house in Corpus Christi, Texas.
The name of the city quite literally means the body
of Christ.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
That's where the story was.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
The stage was set in this city, and I became
a nighttime cab driver. I'm now a junkie cab driver,
diving deep on a suicide mission, deep into the underworld
of crystal meth amphetamines, crystal meth, And I think this
is why the book is so powerful and so popular
right now. Crystal Meth is a portal to the darkest
(01:20):
places in the spiritual realm. It opens your brain up
to all sorts of evil entities. And on my other
social media pages, thousands and hundreds of thousands of comments.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It's a worldwide phenomenon. So what I was about to.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Experience was directly a result of that. So I started
living a life of crime. I'm in the taxi. It
becomes a rolling felony. I'm doing things to support my
drug habit because it was the perfect venue. So I'm
dealing with pimps, prostitutes, drug dealers, check cashers, money printers.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I'm living an absolute debaucherous life.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I was a I was in an addict of all
things in the flesh, and I started to have major
evil experiences. I started to have vulgar displays of power.
I detailed that in the book. I won't get too
far into that, but I started to experience the spiritual
realm and the turning point of where it all came
(02:22):
to a tur A big turn was there's an accident
photo okay, and I was driving.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I've had been working way too much.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I was driving my taxi and I fell asleep at
the wheel. It was a Bomby October night and I
only had to make it one more exit up the road,
and I found myself falling asleep.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I woke up. I heard a loud crash.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I found myself airborne at about seventy miles an hour,
headed toward the big concrete sign the size of a
redwood tree.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
And this is really when.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
My spiritual awakening happened. I was sliding towards that big
pole with that sign on top, the tires smoking, and
I had three flashes where I saw it in slow
motion and I said, oh shit, that's concrete. And then
I said I saw my daughter's face. And then right
before impact, I thought I was gonna I thought I
(03:14):
was gonna die. So I accepted my death. I was
at peace. And then the white concussion, so the sign
fell on my head. I watched the inside of the
cab crush around me like a tun can.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
That sign fell on top of the taxi.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
There was smoke everywhere, and long story short, I took
this photo week later. I actually checked myself out of
the doctor before the X rays even came back, and
I had sought all five ribs in half. My foot
was crushed underneath the front seat. I was grabbing an
old cop car turned taxi. So I took this picture
and this was the beginning of my spiritual awakening later on.
(03:50):
If you take that photo and you zoom into the
top right, I had fallen asleep and I'd crashed into
the sign at the Christian Sleep study Center. God had
dropped a sign directly on my head to get me
to take my foot off the gas.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It's actually up to the right on the building.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I'm trying to get it over there.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, and you can see that. And that was a
major sign for me. But I did not listen to
the warnings of God, and I kept on going down
the road to hell and ryder.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I can tell you it was covered in ice.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
About a year into this, I start going into psychosis.
A few months after this photo, I start experiencing all
kinds of evil manifestations. I even start having contact with God.
I was having big moments with God. I would feel
the flame of God next to me sitting in my
trap house.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I was having major.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Experiences with what I believe to be the Lord Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So would you consider this experience you crashing your car
into this sign a out of body experience or a
near death experience.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I would say, I felt like there was something with
me in the taxi. I detailed it where I felt
something tug on my shirt. I look back in hindsight
and I believe personally that it was some type of
angels or entities of light. And I was not in
psychosis at that time. I was still hustling every day.
I was still I was deeply addicted to methamphetamines, but.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I was not crazy yet.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
And then a few months after this, I continued down
the road and I only got worse with my youth,
and I call it the nipe canezer effect. I remember
in the Book of Daniel, there was a story about
a prideful king and he was prophesied he was gonna
go crazy. Long story short, he goes crazy. He's eating
grass like an ox in the fields. He loses his kingdom.
(05:47):
God heals and he comes out the other side, and
whatever he experienced in between made him a believer in
the One True Living God. That's the story in the
Bible anyway, So my story lines up with that very similarly.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So I had that experience.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Then I start going crazy, and I was now wearing
a do rag on my head, my house gets boarded up.
I lost the girlfriend, I lost the taxi job, obviously
after that accident. It's a crazy story, but you know everything.
They board the house up. It's one hundred and ten
degrees in there. I'm living an absolutely hellish life, no
(06:23):
running water, anything, and I'm walking fifteen miles a day.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I was a tortured soul. I was being tormented by
dark entities.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
There's no doubt the house had The house was like
a spiritual portal.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I detailed it in the book.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So I'm now insane and I come to a breaking point. See,
my father had spinal cancer at the time. I was
a junkie, but I was also his caretaker.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
He disappeared.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
And the very last, I'd say, like two months of
my addiction to meth, he disappeared. There was a train
of homeless drug addicts, all kinds of crazy and sanity
going on at the house. And eventually I had had enough.
I walked home a family member and told me my
dad passed away three weeks before. No one told me
(07:11):
because I was so crazy. So I get to the house.
I walked back to the house, I had self inflicted
wounds all over me. I was like the man from Gallerines,
the demon possessed man. I hadn't drank water in five days,
hadn't eaten in over a week, and I had my shirt.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Off, some swim trunks on.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
The house is just demolished, drug paraphernalia everywhere, trash. And
I passed out of the bed and I woke up,
and I looked over and I saw a big blade,
the kitchen knife, sitting on one of the old nightstands,
and I remember looking at it, and I picked it up,
and I verbally said this ends now, and I stormed
(07:50):
out of the house. I threw a TV over my
fence and in my neighbor's yard, and I walked down
to a fast food restaurant and.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I poked my head into the door.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
The mental health system had failed me. In the months
leading up to this, I was being arrested for public
intoxication almost every three days.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I picked up a ton of those.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
It would bring me to the hospital, just your local
mental unit at your regular hospital in Corpus, And then
every three days I was being turned out of the mill.
I also sought drug treatment twice in the months leading
up to this, and was rejected both times. In the
richest country on planet Earth. I couldn't get help when
I really needed it the most. I was a danger
(08:31):
to myself and society as a whole. I was legally
insane from methamphetamine substance abuse. I was in deep methanphetamine psychosis.
Later on Discovery, how.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Did sorry, I don't mean to interrupt. How did other
people around you respond to your psychosis? Were they around
you also using meth amphetamine? Or how were regular people
that weren't on drugs responding to you being in the
psychosis the.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Time, anyone outside the drug world was terrified of my lifestyle.
The meta amphetamine lifestyle is the most evil, debaucherous, sinful
life that a person could live.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's the craziest lifestyle a person can live.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's just around the clock sexual deviancy, I mean anything
you can imagine. It's out there, absolute crime. People were terrified.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
But the drug addicts in my life at the very end,
once my.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Dad disappeared, they swarmed in and they played into my
delusions and they acted like I believed I was in
a hidden camera movie at one point, being filmed by satellites.
I thought I was going to be the biggest comedic
actor on the planet. I thought I was selected for
this movie like The Truman Show, only it was like
a reboot, a reality TV version, And you could not
(09:49):
tell me that I was not in this real life
Hollywood movie being filmed right there in the city of
Corpus my dad. There's so many stories that I based
in the book off of that. I was convinced I
was living in an absolute alternate universe. It was very spiritual.
It was very very spiritual. I started having downloads of
all different types. I mean, it really changed me as
(10:12):
a person. I started to you know, I went into
the McDonald's as a cry for help. I couldn't take anymore.
I was absolutely broken in every way. I felt like
I was going to die and I needed to take
my life back by it.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
How did you break that delusion or did it break itself?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Well, I'll get to that in the next part, the
very next part. So what happened was is and this
is the fascinating part about the story about psychosis and everything.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
So I went into McDonald's. I told them this is
not a robbery. Everybody get out of here. There was
four employees. They ran out the back door.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I threw the knife on the floor, walked around. I
grabbed a burger, I poured me a coke. I took
one bite of it, and then the cops show up.
I just sat down peacefully and the guy came up
the with a twelve gate shotgun cocked. Someone had called
it an active shooter, and he told me afterwards in
the cop car, he said, I was going to un
(11:09):
alive you.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And that was a scary moment. I could feel him
wanting to end my life.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
So I was on the floor. I surrendered peacefully. I
went I was facing some very extreme charges. Now I'm
in the state of Texas. It's the toughest state on
crime in the nation, so that cry for help.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Because I took real property.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And because I had a weapon, I faced aggravated armed
robbery five to ninety nine years.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I faced three counts of aggravated assault with a deadly
weapon two to twenty years each. That's one hundred and
fifty six years stacked. They ended up having me look
at about a fifteen year prison sentence.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
So I'm now in Nuaces County Jail, one of the
toughest county jails in the United States to do time in.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I'm absolutely we have We have a clip here really
quickly that I want to show before we get into
the next part of the story.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, go ahead and show that clip. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Scary moments for customers inside of a local McDonald's. Police
were called to a McDonald's on Saratoga near Weber just
last night to the report of a shirtless man inside
holding a knife and yelling at customers, and he also
took food without pain. The man was arrested after officers
were able to convince him to lay down his knife
and after the incident. Luckily, no one was hurt, but
(12:22):
that man has now been identified as thirty six year
old Patrick Christopher Durkin. He's charged with robbery and aggravated
assault with a deadly weapon. Police say that he'd tried
to force he'd tried to force his way into a
nearby home earlier in the evening, and then he'd actually
broken into another home where he stole a flat screen television.
But just to set the stage, I was a businessman
at one point. I'm now married, I have children, I'm
becoming very successful in the vacation rental business in South Texas.
And I moved from Boston, Massachusetts down there with my
dad back in two thousand and four, and I started
to have some type of success.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And I'm married now. But I was a full blown alcoholic.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I had a string of bad business deals happen and
I boxed myself in. I lost my career, lost my
family directly after that, and.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Once I didn't have them in my life, I made
a conscious decision.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I just started dabbling with crystal mass and when they
were gone, I moved into my father's house in Corpus Christi, Texas.
The name of the city quite literally means the body
of Christ.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
That's where the story was.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
The stage was set in this city, and I became
a nighttime cab driver. I'm now a junkie cab driver,
diving deep on a suicide mission, deep into the underworld
of crystal meth amphetamines, crystal meth, And I think this
is why the book is so powerful and so popular
right now. Crystal Meth is a portal to the darkest
(01:20):
places in the spiritual realm. It opens your brain up
to all sorts of evil entities. And on my other
social media pages, thousands and hundreds of thousands of comments.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It's a worldwide phenomenon. So what I was about to.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Experience was directly a result of that. So I started
living a life of crime. I'm in the taxi. It
becomes a rolling felony. I'm doing things to support my
drug habit because it was the perfect venue. So I'm
dealing with pimps, prostitutes, drug dealers, check cashers, money printers.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I'm living an absolute debaucherous life.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I was a I was in an addict of all
things in the flesh, and I started to have major
evil experiences. I started to have vulgar displays of power.
I detailed that in the book. I won't get too
far into that, but I started to experience the spiritual
realm and the turning point of where it all came
(02:22):
to a tur A big turn was there's an accident
photo okay, and I was driving.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I've had been working way too much.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I was driving my taxi and I fell asleep at
the wheel. It was a Bomby October night and I
only had to make it one more exit up the road,
and I found myself falling asleep.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I woke up. I heard a loud crash.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I found myself airborne at about seventy miles an hour,
headed toward the big concrete sign the size of a
redwood tree.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
And this is really when.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
My spiritual awakening happened. I was sliding towards that big
pole with that sign on top, the tires smoking, and
I had three flashes where I saw it in slow
motion and I said, oh shit, that's concrete. And then
I said I saw my daughter's face. And then right
before impact, I thought I was gonna I thought I
(03:14):
was gonna die. So I accepted my death. I was
at peace. And then the white concussion, so the sign
fell on my head. I watched the inside of the
cab crush around me like a tun can.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
That sign fell on top of the taxi.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
There was smoke everywhere, and long story short, I took
this photo week later. I actually checked myself out of
the doctor before the X rays even came back, and
I had sought all five ribs in half. My foot
was crushed underneath the front seat. I was grabbing an
old cop car turned taxi. So I took this picture
and this was the beginning of my spiritual awakening later on.
(03:50):
If you take that photo and you zoom into the
top right, I had fallen asleep and I'd crashed into
the sign at the Christian Sleep study Center. God had
dropped a sign directly on my head to get me
to take my foot off the gas.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
It's actually up to the right on the building.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
I'm trying to get it over there.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, and you can see that. And that was a
major sign for me. But I did not listen to
the warnings of God, and I kept on going down
the road to hell and ryder.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I can tell you it was covered in ice.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
About a year into this, I start going into psychosis.
A few months after this photo, I start experiencing all
kinds of evil manifestations. I even start having contact with God.
I was having big moments with God. I would feel
the flame of God next to me sitting in my
trap house.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I was having major.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Experiences with what I believe to be the Lord Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So would you consider this experience you crashing your car
into this sign a out of body experience or a
near death experience.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I would say, I felt like there was something with
me in the taxi. I detailed it where I felt
something tug on my shirt. I look back in hindsight
and I believe personally that it was some type of
angels or entities of light. And I was not in
psychosis at that time. I was still hustling every day.
I was still I was deeply addicted to methamphetamines, but.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I was not crazy yet.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
And then a few months after this, I continued down
the road and I only got worse with my youth,
and I call it the nipe canezer effect. I remember
in the Book of Daniel, there was a story about
a prideful king and he was prophesied he was gonna
go crazy. Long story short, he goes crazy. He's eating
grass like an ox in the fields. He loses his kingdom.
(05:47):
God heals and he comes out the other side, and
whatever he experienced in between made him a believer in
the One True Living God. That's the story in the
Bible anyway, So my story lines up with that very similarly.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So I had that experience.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Then I start going crazy, and I was now wearing
a do rag on my head, my house gets boarded up.
I lost the girlfriend, I lost the taxi job, obviously
after that accident. It's a crazy story, but you know everything.
They board the house up. It's one hundred and ten
degrees in there. I'm living an absolutely hellish life, no
(06:23):
running water, anything, and I'm walking fifteen miles a day.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I was a tortured soul. I was being tormented by
dark entities.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
There's no doubt the house had The house was like
a spiritual portal.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I detailed it in the book.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So I'm now insane and I come to a breaking point. See,
my father had spinal cancer at the time. I was
a junkie, but I was also his caretaker.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
He disappeared.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
And the very last, I'd say, like two months of
my addiction to meth, he disappeared. There was a train
of homeless drug addicts, all kinds of crazy and sanity
going on at the house. And eventually I had had enough.
I walked home a family member and told me my
dad passed away three weeks before. No one told me
(07:11):
because I was so crazy. So I get to the house.
I walked back to the house, I had self inflicted
wounds all over me. I was like the man from Gallerines,
the demon possessed man. I hadn't drank water in five days,
hadn't eaten in over a week, and I had my shirt.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Off, some swim trunks on.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
The house is just demolished, drug paraphernalia everywhere, trash. And
I passed out of the bed and I woke up,
and I looked over and I saw a big blade,
the kitchen knife, sitting on one of the old nightstands,
and I remember looking at it, and I picked it up,
and I verbally said this ends now, and I stormed
(07:50):
out of the house. I threw a TV over my
fence and in my neighbor's yard, and I walked down
to a fast food restaurant and.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I poked my head into the door.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
The mental health system had failed me. In the months
leading up to this, I was being arrested for public
intoxication almost every three days.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I picked up a ton of those.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
It would bring me to the hospital, just your local
mental unit at your regular hospital in Corpus, And then
every three days I was being turned out of the mill.
I also sought drug treatment twice in the months leading
up to this, and was rejected both times. In the
richest country on planet Earth. I couldn't get help when
I really needed it the most. I was a danger
(08:31):
to myself and society as a whole. I was legally
insane from methamphetamine substance abuse. I was in deep methanphetamine psychosis.
Later on Discovery, how.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Did sorry, I don't mean to interrupt. How did other
people around you respond to your psychosis? Were they around
you also using meth amphetamine? Or how were regular people
that weren't on drugs responding to you being in the
psychosis the.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Time, anyone outside the drug world was terrified of my lifestyle.
The meta amphetamine lifestyle is the most evil, debaucherous, sinful
life that a person could live.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's the craziest lifestyle a person can live.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's just around the clock sexual deviancy, I mean anything
you can imagine. It's out there, absolute crime. People were terrified.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
But the drug addicts in my life at the very end,
once my.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Dad disappeared, they swarmed in and they played into my
delusions and they acted like I believed I was in
a hidden camera movie at one point, being filmed by satellites.
I thought I was going to be the biggest comedic
actor on the planet. I thought I was selected for
this movie like The Truman Show, only it was like
a reboot, a reality TV version, And you could not
(09:49):
tell me that I was not in this real life
Hollywood movie being filmed right there in the city of
Corpus my dad. There's so many stories that I based
in the book off of that. I was convinced I
was living in an absolute alternate universe. It was very spiritual.
It was very very spiritual. I started having downloads of
all different types. I mean, it really changed me as
(10:12):
a person. I started to you know, I went into
the McDonald's as a cry for help. I couldn't take anymore.
I was absolutely broken in every way. I felt like
I was going to die and I needed to take
my life back by it.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
How did you break that delusion or did it break itself?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Well, I'll get to that in the next part, the
very next part. So what happened was is and this
is the fascinating part about the story about psychosis and everything.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
So I went into McDonald's. I told them this is
not a robbery. Everybody get out of here. There was
four employees. They ran out the back door.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I threw the knife on the floor, walked around. I
grabbed a burger, I poured me a coke. I took
one bite of it, and then the cops show up.
I just sat down peacefully and the guy came up
the with a twelve gate shotgun cocked. Someone had called
it an active shooter, and he told me afterwards in
the cop car, he said, I was going to un
(11:09):
alive you.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And that was a scary moment. I could feel him
wanting to end my life.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
So I was on the floor. I surrendered peacefully. I
went I was facing some very extreme charges. Now I'm
in the state of Texas. It's the toughest state on
crime in the nation, so that cry for help.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Because I took real property.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
And because I had a weapon, I faced aggravated armed
robbery five to ninety nine years.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I faced three counts of aggravated assault with a deadly
weapon two to twenty years each. That's one hundred and
fifty six years stacked. They ended up having me look
at about a fifteen year prison sentence.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
So I'm now in Nuaces County Jail, one of the
toughest county jails in the United States to do time in.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I'm absolutely we have We have a clip here really
quickly that I want to show before we get into
the next part of the story.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, go ahead and show that clip. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Scary moments for customers inside of a local McDonald's. Police
were called to a McDonald's on Saratoga near Weber just
last night to the report of a shirtless man inside
holding a knife and yelling at customers, and he also
took food without pain. The man was arrested after officers
were able to convince him to lay down his knife
and after the incident. Luckily, no one was hurt, but
(12:22):
that man has now been identified as thirty six year
old Patrick Christopher Durkin. He's charged with robbery and aggravated
assault with a deadly weapon. Police say that he'd tried
to force he'd tried to force his way into a
nearby home earlier in the evening, and then he'd actually
broken into another home where he stole a flat screen television.
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
Dateline NBC
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