The Future of Technocracy Will Change Humanity Forever

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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Welcome back to Raise by Giants Live discussion. Good to
see everyone. Welcome everyone in the chat and any moderators
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Really appreciate it. My social media links are in the descriptions.
The links to watch my documentaries are also in the description.

(00:53):
On Amazon Prime and to be I'm currently in the
process of making my next documentary, Psychic Agent. Filming just
wrapped with DA Army Intelligence Psychic Spy Angela Ford, so
it's almost time to lock in on it and hopefully
within a few months it'll be released on Amazon Prime.
But with that down, we have with us today, author,

(01:16):
filmmaker and writer and producer and star of our hit
documentary As a Clockwork, shining on Amazon Prime and Apple
TV Plus and two b GfK X Solving The Crime
of the Century. Links are in the description. Jay Widener,
Welcome back to the show. How are you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I'm doing great?

Speaker 1 (01:31):
How are you I'm doing amazing? Down on this documentary
getting it done. It just showed you some artwork before
we started.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, I'm really excited to see it. I can't wait.
What you've been telling me is going to be a
really good show, your third one now, so you're gonna
be on your way.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
You have you seen what's going on with The Shining
and they're releasing it and what is it? Imax?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, that's curious because you know, it costs a lot
of money to convert from film to the Imax, and
so they must think that they're going to make some
money by doing this. We never have invested that kind
of money in it. Two and a half hour film
converted to Imax custom costs like seven figures. So it's

(02:25):
just interesting that of all the films that they've chosen, they're,
you know, forty five years old, they chose The Shining.
And I think that's because, well, our film got more
interest going in it, and Room two thirty seven, of
course got a lot of interest in my work. But
it's just a film that just keeps She's going basically unbelievable,

(02:50):
and you know, so it's great. I mean, I wish
I had an Imax by I mean to go see it.
I'd love to see it an Imax.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Did you see what Joe Rogan was talking talking about
with The Shining here recently. No, I got a clip here.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
He had a grudge against her, for sure. Yeah, that's
the thing, But he was a nutty dude.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Man.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
It's like all these weird symbolism that he put in
his films, and like all the different things in The
Shining that lead people to believe it's some sort of
an expose on the moon landing conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I thought that was great.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I had not seen that. Surprised somebody didn't make me
aware of it.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
That's really yeah, conspiracy. I thought that was wild that
it was brought up there. I thought the end of it.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I didn't know that one.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
There's so many wild things because people knew that he
had like symbolism in his films that was hidden and
he was Everything was very clever and layered. There was
so much stuff to it, you know. I can't believe
Stephen King didn't like The Shining though. To me, it's like, God,
it's so great as a film. I get it, it's
not what you wrote down, but damn that's good.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah. No, it is a great adaptation of it. It's
so good.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
It's such a good movie. But I just can't think
of the first where it came from. You know, you
can't think of the first story. You got to think
of it as a whole.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
It is a hole.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Is amazing.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Oh yeah, yeah that was.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
That was that understands the Shining.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, I keep for sure, I keep waiting for him
to bring up jfkaoks like he comes so close, like
every single time music. The closest with was with Ian Carroll,
which I had a clip on here where he was
saying that JFK's body was not JFK's body.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah. Yeah, I like I and Carroll. I think I
and Carroll as a as a follower of mine too.
But yeah, it's pretty amazing, you know. And both both films,
The KA Actually and The Clockwork Shining or are two
of the best documentaries of the last four years. I think.

(05:10):
I think Clockwork Shining is probably the best documentary of
twenty twenty four. So, I mean I have prejudice, of course,
but it's you know, it is it's a riveting show
and it's really giving novel information out that no one,
I guarantee no one is the whole idea of the

(05:31):
Shining as an MK ultra operation, you know, and you
know that brings my mind. In a future reality check,
I'm going to be doing a show of Stanley Kubrick's
two trilogies. So Stanley Kubrick made thirteen films. But people
don't realize is that six of those films were in

(05:54):
two separate trilogies. The first trilogy I call the Dystopian
Future Trilogy, which is Doctor Strangelove, two thousand and one,
Space Odyssey and A Clockwork Orange. And then there's a
break between that trilogy and the next trilogy, and that
break is Barry Lindon, and then he begins what I

(06:15):
call his mk Ultra trilogy, which is The Shining and
then how the military used mk Ultra tactics to train
their men in full metal jacket, and then how the
elites use mk ulture to control us. In the real

(06:36):
version of Is White Shut that I believe exists, that
is separate from the version that got released, which was
all cut up and ruined and everything. So in my
version of Is White Shut, Nicole Kidman has been taken
into the cult early on in the movie, and at
the orgy scene when they're doing their ritual, there's only

(06:59):
eleven women around the central guy, right, So there's a
spot missing because it should be thirteen in a coven,
So there's a spot missing has to be filled by
a beautiful woman. And I'm I'm pretty sure that the
whole ceremony was to initiate Nicole Kidman as that twelfth
woman in the thirteen person coven, and that she had

(07:21):
a mask on and he had a mask on, and
so he didn't know who she was. Although to find
out hard to believe, but anyway, that's what I heard
from someone who actually saw the original version of Eise
White Shut.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
I feel a sequel of brewing something.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
That's one of the reasons I'm doing you forcing myself
to do research in those whole new concept of q
Rick's films. There are no other trilogies. You know, he
did a bunch of disparate movies before, like Spartacus and
Paths of Glory and all good films. But there's a

(07:59):
sinewy connection between Doctor Strangelow two thousand and one and
A Clockwork Orange. It's scary, weird and dark future run
by AI in two thousand and one and ruled by
gangs and a clockwork Orange. And then you know he
does his break with Barry Lindon, which was a massive failure,

(08:21):
his only real failure. And then he comes back with
you know what could have been an even more powerful
trilogy except that they ransacked Eyes Why Shut and ruined it.
But in the real version it would have been the
most incredible mk Ultra series ever. It still is. But

(08:44):
I mean, you think about the whole first act of
a Full Metal Jacket is he's using mk Ultra techniques
on the Marines. He's breaking them down, he's tearing them down,
he's destroying them, right, and then he builds up dang pile.
That's a pretty good shooting. You know. He starts complimenting

(09:04):
them at the very end as they get more and
more marine like, or more and more robot like, more
and more mind control. Actually, so it'll be a good show.
And yeah, I think we should do another another film
about it, because I got a lot of other stuff
that I've kind of been holding back on about Qubrick
and his films.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
We're definitely going to do that. It probably won't be
it'll be something titled completely different, but will be around.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, no, it won't be. I don't want to be
part of the Cubric's Odyssey series because this is more
like a documentary about Kubrick and his life, not so much,
you know what, what he's really trying to express.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
He can really ruffle some feathers with on Cubriaic. Oh
my god. Yeah, like probably won't like anybody's probably the truth.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Well, a lot of the books that have come out
recently about Kubrick are definitely lifted off of my mostly
my radio shows and podcasts and stuff, and I don't
I've never said a lot of that stuff. And in
my in my Cuberic Odyssey series, like the Scientology connection
to Eyes Wide Shot and how he's actually telling you

(10:24):
about the origins of scientology, that the naval officer is
really al Ron Hubbard, a handsome naval officer who seduced
Jack Parson's girlfriend, Redhead Tall and stole from him. And
that's what Tom Cruise even looks a little bit like
Jack Parsons oddly enough, and she has her fantasies about

(10:45):
this handsome naval officer and that's the origins of scientology.
Al Ron Hubbard, you know, created scientology right after this experience.
Of course, daughter was alist that she hates my guts.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, that's uh, that'll definitely be really interesting to dive
into that. The Well, what I wanted to actually bring
you on to talk about today is like this uh,
this technology boom that we're currently and I don't know
if you listened to the most recent podcast with Elon

(11:29):
Mosk on Joe Rogan, but he's essentially talking about how
we're not going to be using phones anymore and how
phones are going to be like a thing of the
past year. I actually got a clip that we're going
to listen to before we get into the bones of
the discussion.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
I think things are going to go, which is that
it's we're not going to have a phone, or in
an additional sense, that what we call a phone will
really be an edge node for AI inference for or
AI video inference with you know, with some radios to

(12:04):
obviously connect to, but essentially we'll have AI on the
service side community communicating to an AI on your your device,
you know, formerly known as the phone, and generating real
time video of anything that you could possibly want. And
I think that they won't be operating systems, they won't

(12:27):
be apps in the future will be operating systems or apps,
It'll just.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Be Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how this works.
I don't know how we get to that that type
of point where it.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Would just be apps. So apparently they're going to like
some way they're going to intertwine apps together that will
start operating like an operating system, but not be an
operating I think.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
That's what you said, something along the lines of that,
you've got a device that is there for this an
audio and for UH and and and and to uh
put as much AI on the on the device as
possible so as to minimize the amount of bandwidth that's
needed between your edge no device or pulling on as

(13:14):
the phone and the servers.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
So if there's no apps, what will people you like?
Will it X still exist? Will?

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah? That's kind of the thing, is that our current
economy is based upon people just searching and scrolling and
doom scrolling on social media and stuff. Right, Like, people
don't know what they want. So that's how a lot
of sales actually happen, is like through fomo or the

(13:47):
fear of missing out on something or something catches their
eye while they're scrolling on social media. It's like a panic,
but panic buy like consumerism one oh one. You you
make people buy things that they don't actually need. Now,
what Elon is kind of describing is that that that's
no longer going to be a thing like the AI

(14:10):
is automatically going to know what you want when you
want it. But that's not currently how it's gone for
the past fifty to sixty years in our economy. It's
you know, commercials, hit you with a commercial, make you
think that you want something. Hit you with the latest iPhone,
even though you have an iPhone that already works and

(14:31):
that is doing good. They hit you with that commercial,
and then they're like, oh my god, the new iPhone
is out. I got to go grab the new one,
even though I got one that already works and it's
the exact same model. I got to go get the
newest one. It's consumerism one on one. So I don't
really understand how it's going to get to that point.
We got a little bit more of this clip in
the moment I have a full on discussion about it.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Will they be email platforms or will you get everything
through AI?

Speaker 4 (14:57):
You'll get everything through everything through AI.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
It will be the benefit of that as opposed to
having individual apps.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Whatever you can think of, or really whatever the A
can anticipate you might want, it'll show you. That's that's
that's that's my prediction for where things end up.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
What kind of timeframe were were talking about here?

Speaker 4 (15:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Well, it's probably.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
Five or six years or something like that.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
What five or six years, Janet? That is very quick.
That is very quick to completely change.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, that's pretty interesting. So what it is something that
he knows about, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Absolutely he knows about.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
So five or six years.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Apps are like Blockbuster video pretty much, and everything's.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Run through AI.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Yeah, and they'll be like most of what people can
see in five or six years, maybe sooner than that
will be just AI generated content.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
So there it is.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
That is.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Shocking revelation. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
I don't know. This sounds a little bit manipulative here.
I mean, I mean I hope the AI can you know,
read you right? But how do I know the AI
isn't leading you right? And besides, half the fun of

(16:36):
the Internet is just bouncing around randomly, and who wants
to have somebody decide where you go what you do?
So I don't know if that's gonna work. I'm not
I'm not. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
There is really interesting too. Harry says, in five to
six years, why people are going to be consuming in entertainment,
in music and everything online is going to be AI generated.
I mean, that's what people have been seeing for a
really long time. I just don't really understand if it's
true and that does happen, and we're like five to

(17:14):
six years out from what he's seeing, I don't understand
how they're going to get us to that point because
a lot of things would have to collapse and be
destroyed in order for everybody to be on board with that.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well, a lot of things are going to be collapsed
and destroyed over the next few years. I can tell
you that it's complete, utter destruction of many, many, many things.
And you know where it's headed. Nobody knows, you know.
I suppose if you're a creative person that what's coming

(17:54):
is probably not scaring you because you know that you
have the creative skills to you know you is it?
I certainly feel that way about it. But it AI
is making people very unpleasant right now. They're not very
happy about what's happening. The thirty thousand jobs that got

(18:15):
lost from Amazon and all of that, So AI is
in a bad place right now with the public, the
general public. They don't like it, they don't want it,
but it's coming and there's nothing they can do about it.
Bill Gates, after telling us that the climate was being
destroyed for twenty five straight years, suddenly comes out and
says that it isn't being destroyed. And he said, well,

(18:36):
what happened, Bill, Like what made you change your mind?
And then you realize, oh, I know what it was.
He's building data centers are going to use up tons
and tons of energy. So now he has to be
for using up energy if he's going to have a
data center. So you either need nuclear power plants or
you know, water going over a waterfall, or gasoline or coal.

(19:00):
You can't generate electricity without those things. And so everybody
in Silicon Valley is now pulling back from all their
climate hysteria. All of them are because they know they
need these data centers for AI. So the AI has
changed their stance and made them become more realistic about
exactly what we're doing here. And you know, when you're

(19:22):
an average person and you see, you know, one hundred
and twenty thousand layoffs in the last few weeks, and
they're all true to AI. And then you see your
electricity bill going up because the AI is juicing out everybody,
you're not going to be very happy about it. And
so AI is going through a bad place right now.

(19:44):
And then Sam Altman comes out and asks that government
subsidize his company. He's like, what the hell? First you
start out as a nonprofit and then you suddenly overnight
you go from a nonprofit to a profit and now
you're asking for government subsidies. It's like, that's all to
win a friend, I'll tell you no way. And he's
a shady dude anyway, with the death of one of

(20:07):
his assistants. And so you know, these AI titans are
trying to take over the world and remake it in
their own image. And you know, maybe Elon is not
doing that. There's a couple of other people that are
making AIS that seem to be fairly balanced and everything,

(20:31):
but man, this is we're going to a place where
I don't know how we can come back from it.
We're not coming back from it. And so Terence McKenna
once told me that the future was going to happen
all at once. This was thirty years ago, and I
was like, what dude, you've been smoking too much weed

(20:52):
and reading too much science fiction. He's like, no, now, Jay,
the future is going to happen all at once. You
don't understand. And then as I couldn't figure it out
and he couldn't explain himself, I don't know if it
was just an intuition on his partner what. But now
we're at this point where that's what's happening. We've got
his backlog of a secret space program technologies that are

(21:17):
thirty forty years old. They've been hanging on and keeping
it away from us, and now we are beginning to
figure out how these technologies work by associating each other
on the Internet and social media. We're beginning to figure
it out. And so they can keep their inventions because
we're already figuring out how to do it. And you know,
there is a theory for decades, from the eighteen nineties

(21:45):
until the late nineteen sixties early nineteen seventies, in track
and field, they many many runners tried to run a
four minute mile, a three minute and fifty nine second
mile to break the four minute mark, and nobody could
do it. No, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people
tried and nobody could do it. And then a runner

(22:07):
in nineteen I think seventy two he broke the four
minute mile. It was like front page of Sports Illustrated
and everything, right, oh my god, we broke the four
minute mile. Well right after that, suddenly everybody could run
the four minute while and it was like, wait a minute,
what happened? And what I think happens is we break
through this psychological barrier and then that gives permission now

(22:30):
for everyone following to be able to do the same thing.
And that's what's going on here with technology, where we're
reaching a place where the machines are going to we're
reaching a place in our society where the technology is
advancing so quickly and old technologies are being rediscovered for

(22:52):
the first time that literally we're going to do, you know,
three hundred years and ten years. That's what Elon's talking about.
So we're gonna you know, sometimes you sometimes you spend
a decade, you know, in a week. Sometimes you know,
a decade takes thirty years, right, It just depends on

(23:15):
the situation. Right now, we're in a situation where we're
wrapping up so quickly that nobody's going to be able
to predict the future. And there's a lot of danger
in all this. I mean, the weapons that can be
created from AI are shocking, really shocking, and drones, including

(23:35):
all the stuff together, and so the human race is
either going to have to mature and realize that we can't.
You know, if we're going to play with these toys,
then we have to play with them as adults and
not as irresponsible children. And that's a big step because
anyone will be able to get a hold of this

(23:57):
stuff very soon, from the poorest Africa to the Arab
countries and everything. So there's no way out of this.
And you know, there's all these intellectuals in the AI
world calling for a moratorium on AI development and it's
not a bad idea, but it's not gonna work because

(24:20):
they're all in competition with each other. Who's going to
stop now? And if we stop, China will keep going.
So there's no way back from the precipice that we're
going towards. And you know, I just hope that you know,
the human race has enough maturity to pull through the
squeeze point that we're going through the time where the
future is happening all at once now until I'd say

(24:43):
another ten years. Maybe maybe he's right, maybe it's six years.
I don't know. He knows more than I do. But intuitively,
Terrence McKenna saw this, and I don't know how. Maybe
he knew about some of this technology being bottled up
or or something, or maybe he just you know, extrapolated
ideas together until you realize at one point you're going

(25:06):
to be able to clip together hundreds of different technologies
and creating all sorts of new things. And you know,
I asked the question, what happens when AI meets three
D printers meets free energy? What then happens when every
household can be turned into a manufacturing plant, a manufacturing

(25:28):
exotic materials and you know, parts for things and machines.
And it's that's where we're head. And it's going to
be amazing because in that world, the smartest people will win,
and because they'll just use the technology to their advantage.
So again, it's fraught with danger too, really really fraught

(25:50):
with danger, especially the drone part. That's part that scares
me a little bit. I mean, you know, you sass
off at your neighbor and the next thing you know,
he's attacking you with a right and so I could
get really here and that stuffs gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Well. Elon was also talking about in the beginning of
the podcast with Rogan that he is getting ready to
unveil like a flying car in a couple of months
like the But something really interesting too that was talked
about in the discussion, which I think is really important,

(26:27):
is that basically we can fix all of our problems.
We just don't fix all of our problems. People just
let the problems keep stacking up and stacking up and
stacking up. And someone in the chat just said that
they believe that AI is an excuse, and I do
believe AI is an excuse, and you're trying to use
it to be like this is the end all be all,

(26:50):
This is how we fix everything, This is how we
clean up the environment, this is how we root out corruption.
And Elon was talking about how if he had like
unimpunitive measures to do what he wanted to do with DOGE,
then he would have cut the national debt in half
and he would have been able to up all this
corruption and it can be cleaned up. But the thing

(27:12):
is is people are stopping it from being cleaned up.
So they're just letting it run and run and run
and run and run until it gets so overwhelming that
you have to bring in something like AI. And that's
what he said. He said, he backed off, he went
out of the White House because he realized that no
one actually wanted this stuff fixed. They didn't want the

(27:33):
corruption fixed. They didn't want the laundering of money and
the social security benefits and all that stuff being fixed
because too many people were getting paid from it. They
were getting paid out of those out of all the corruption. Okay,
so they use the AI as an excuse in the
future to be like, Okay, well this is what we're now.

(27:55):
AI is going to now fix all of our problems.
It's going to fix all of our issues because we've
let it get to this point to where it's unfixable
and we can't fix Well, that's what they're saying. They're
saying that the problem is unfixable, that human intervention cannot
fix the problem. And Musk even said that he was like,
I realize that the only way that we can fix
these problems is if we intimate implement AI and robotics.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, and that's what's going to happen. We're going to
surrender to the AI. The AI is gonna just I'd
rather have the AI make a lot of the decisions anyway.
Why do I want some you know, drugged out, alcoholic
congressman who's into weird sex, you know, making decisions for me,
right so, and they can't even make good decisions anyway,

(28:43):
So yeah, I think that I think that's what he
was trying to do with dose, was put the AI
and somebody got you know, put a gun to his
head or something. He said his life would have he
was in great danger. On another Rogan uh broadcast, I
remember he said that if he went any further with
it that he didn't think he would live through it.
And I believe that's probably true. And you know, Rudolph Steiner,

(29:09):
the great mystic from the nineteen twenties, one hundred years ago,
he talked about how in the early twenty first century,
technology would become the new malevolent force that would sweep
through humanity and take it over and control it. And

(29:29):
he didn't. He didn't there were even computers in his day.
So I think that's probably a good assessment of what's
going on. And you know, it's like a highly intelligent
person could use AI to do just about anything. And
I think that's what's really going to start happening is

(29:52):
on all fronts that they're going to be using it
as an assistant to accomplish things that we haven't even
imagined yet.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Well, we're already kind of seeing it too with AI ads,
like they've been doing a lot of AI ads now
AI commercials, Like I've watched some Hulu stuff and I'm like,
that's one AI created, it's AI creation. Then you think, well,
you know, if this is just being rolled out to

(30:23):
the public now, like the public has been able to
do this for I don't know a couple of years now,
Like how long have they been doing it. They've had
to have been doing it for a long time. A
lot of the things that we probably thought was real
probably wasn't real. It was probably AI generated in a
lot of cases.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, that's actually right. I think that, Well, I've probably
had it for a long time, you know, because they've
been working on it for a long time. And uh
so you're right, we don't know how long they've been
put pumping out AI images at us and making a
stick that it's real, you know, and I right after,

(31:02):
right after Sandy Hook, when all that controversy was going,
I started thinking about past events, and I remembered a
shooting at a Hamburger joint in Hollywood when I was
living there, right in screenplays, and some guy went into
I'm not going to say what the name of the
company was, but you know a chain, a Hamburger chain

(31:26):
near Hollywood. It was a studio city and a shop
place that killed like twenty people, and you know, the
horrible thing, and everybody was streaked out about it and everything.
And I remember I streaked out about it happened in
my neighborhood. And then after the Sandy Hook controversy, I
began like examining this event, taking out old newspapers and

(31:50):
reading about it and finding all these weird discrepancy, like
how many people got killed and how many got wounded?
And started looking at the photographs. I realized that the
blood was still cherry red, even though the photograph had
been taken in ten hours after the incident, and they
waited a minute. Blood blood turns brown after four hours

(32:11):
or so? Why is this still cherry red? And I
couldn't figure it out. And then I conclude that did
this event even ever happen, right, it was just a
trauma inducing event that induced trauma, believe me. And then
it just kind of got wiped off. The thing and
the guy that did it, he got killed, so he's gone, right,

(32:33):
and so you know, and if it did happen, I'm
not trying to, you know, jump on the grieving families.
I'm just questioning whether it happened. And now, you know,
so I questioned a lot of things. But yeah, once
you introduce AI, all bets are off. I mean, some
of these AI generated videos are pretty astonishing.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Well, that's the thing is that something doesn't need to
be real in order for someone to believe it. And
another way that they do this too, is that they
release a let's say that there's like a scandal. You
already know this, but I'm speaking to the choir here,
but let's say that there's a scandal and somebody powerful

(33:16):
doesn't want that scandal to come out, Okay, So then
what they do is they create an entirely take story
and then that fake story gets exposed and then the
real one gets brushed up underneath the wreck. Because if
the real one comes out and people start talking about
the real one instead they talk about the fake one,

(33:37):
and then no one will believe the real one.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, and that's kind of They didn't use AI and
the Charlie deal, but they clearly created It's whoever did it,
it had to be a highly sophisticated operation. They clearly
had weird plants in the crowd doing weird stuff so

(34:00):
that everyone who's watching any videos would be completely distracted
by all the weird stuff that's going on. And there's
a lot of weird stuff, you know, going on in
that thing, and every day gets weird. In fact, just
today I heard something it's just like what you know,
and that can't be explained. And I'd like to know

(34:21):
if there's anybody who's actually going to be doing a
documentary or writing a book about this, because somebody needs
to straighten out the spaghetti. It's just really confusing.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Well, the only person that seems to be doing anything
about it is Candice Owens. What you know, We're lucky
to have her, which is so weird too, Juysic. Out
of everybody that was supposedly friends with Charlie Kirk, all
the people that admired him, all of his best friends,
the high upside of this company turning point. Nobody is

(34:57):
digging in any further than the surface level. It's only
Candace omens.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, she's being called Satan and the devil, and Ben
Shapiro said she's one of the most evil people on earth.
It's like, wait a minute, Ben, why are you saying that.
You sound very guilty, Ben, you know, And they don't
want you to look at it at all. And they're

(35:26):
raking her over the cold. She's the number one podcast
in the world now, and she's I think she's like
Joan of Arc. To me, she's like a reincarnation of
Joan of Arc. She's like a young woman who's just
frigging at it, like that's it, I'm done right, And
she's these these uh, you know, excuse my expression, pussy

(35:50):
men don't want to do it. I'll do it and
show him how to do it. And that's what Joan
of Arc did, and you know, and she was fearless
and so is Candace. And in some ways it's fun
because it would only have to be somebody like Canvas
that could do it. Frankly, if I did it, you know,
I recalled every name in the book. And the left
just doesn't know how to criticize her because of her

(36:13):
race and her sex, and so they're kind of just
I don't know what to say. And it is odd
that all those guys are acting, because I mean, they
have a show, the Charlie Kirkshows All Radio every day.
I hear it, and they're not mentioning any of the
anomalies at all. On the other three hour show every day,

(36:35):
the same guys that are Charlie's best friends, and they're
not mentioning any anomalies, like how did that guy get
off the roof without a rifle? You know? Are you
telling you? He he brought the rifle in a bag,
which you can't get in anyway. The rifle is two
feet long once you break it up. And then he
put it together, and then he took it apart with

(36:58):
adrenaline running, and then he went to the chicken coop
across the road and just settled it again.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
He took the time and then put it back together
for the FBI to find.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, put it back together for the FBI. De fine,
that's right, thank you for that. Forgot about that? Yeah,
I says, come on, you guys, you know, and there's
a strange incident which happened the other day. There's this
far left radical guy named Destiny if you know who
he is, and he he was taking phone calls on

(37:33):
his YouTube show and one of the calls came in
and it was one of his close associates and she said,
we're FT. This is right after Charlie kirkshooting. And he said,
I'll talk to you and i'll DM you and he
hung up on her right, and I was like, wait, wait,
why is she saying that they're AFT? Right? That doesn't

(37:56):
make any sense. Then you find out that the guy
who asked Charlie kirk the last question, it's part of
Destiny's radical left group. It's like, wait a minute, Wait
a minute. Then you find out that they're all on
Discord together with who Tyler Robinson right, and they're all

(38:16):
talking about guns and stuff on Discord. That's why they're
on Discord because it's free to speech open. And I
don't know what to say. You know, why are theyft?
You know what I mean? And the why is Destiny
trying to hide this suddenly? And there might be a
connection there, So this could be a big thing if

(38:38):
there's some kind of far left radical group is behind
this then that could be a very serious thing.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Well, I really like that when something happens, people are
on it like really quickly. It's not like these the
two year gap anymore. It's like, yeah, we're right on it.
We're getting to the bottom of it really fast. It's
not because you used to be like a two to
five year gap. I mean JFK was a really really

(39:10):
big gap. No one even sawd for like how many
years after the assassination, like eight, eight to ten years after,
So it's like, you know, and with nine to eleven
that didn't really start until like two thousand and five,
two thousand and six. Area there was.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Any prominent journalist that has looked at a nine to
one one None never been any. No of these great
journalists and cover all these stories. None of them will
touch it. Leave me, I'd read your book if you did,
But nope, they won't touch it. But yeah, this one's different.
This is because there's now a social media army ready

(39:51):
to leap into it. And that's been around since twenty
twelve or so, the social media army, but the cascade
of thought is now ahead of the game. In other words,
this group of people, they're almost out in front of

(40:15):
them now anticipating what's going to happen next, and that's
going to drive them crazy. So I predict that there's
going to be some kind of event coming soon that's
going to shut down all the loose talk that's going
on right now. I really do. And they've kind of

(40:38):
it'll be the same people behind GfK and nine eleven.
I had Charlie, and it's all the same people, and
they're getting shoved into a corner at the moment. And
I don't know where it's gonna happen, where it's going
to lay, But they've got to answer a lot of
questions the FBI does. If they don't in their report,

(41:01):
it's not going to go good for.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Well. Distrust has been brewing for a really long time
around government and around government agencies. So it's been it's
been there in the background brewing.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
I think FBI, if you actually look into the origins
of the FBI, it's a complete bs If one guy
back in the nineteen twenties decided that we needed to
have a Federal Bureau of Investigation for interstate crimes.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
And.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
I don't even think it even got passed by Congress.
I think he started, He took some money out of
the Congress and started up his own little bureau. And
then President jak Or Hoover came in and the whole
thing just became part of the of the operation for
law enforcement in the country. But there's so many other
agencies that can investigate things. Why do we need to

(41:56):
have an FBI? I don't know. We have so many
law enforcement agencies in the government that it seems like
they could handle anything. And yet the FBI has got
all these agents all out of DC cash Betel said
he was going to disperse them all across the country
and get rid of the FBI building, and he did.

(42:18):
He's the biggest disappointment ever. So I don't doesn't look good.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
It doesn't look good, and it seems like we're it's
more of the same, you know, more of the same,
you know, people making promises. I mean, really, when when
you go back, when you go back like twenty five years,
I mean, what did any president ever say that they
were going to do that they actually did. I can't

(42:47):
remember one good thing that George W. Bush Junior did.
I can't remember one good thing that Barack Obama did. Yeah,
you know what, I mean, so it's like, yeah, I
almost want to know what it would have been like

(43:09):
if Kamala Harris would have won.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Oh man, oh man, we have a line mom for president.
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
If that was the case and that really did happen
and she won, then you would almost have to force
them to do something because they couldn't keep doing it
the way that they had been doing it.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I think if Kamala gotten elected, we would be close
to a violent revolution. I'll be honest with you. People
on the right are just as volatile as the people
on the left, just have a little more control over themselves.
That's the only thing. But look at what's happened right now.
The right is trying to cancel Tucker. The right is
trying to cancel Candae. The right is trying to cancel

(43:58):
that Nick dude. Now it's like the three most articulate
people they want to cancel. You know, it's like, wait
a minute, we don't cancel. They canceled. I thought, you know,
I thought, we don't want to cancel culture. I certainly
don't want it. I don't want somebody be getting canceled.
You know. Then you got Mark Levin, who's an old

(44:22):
fat fart saying that you got to go through me,
you got to go through me. I'm like, dude, really, dude,
one push and you're gone. And so you know, they
have this hyperinflated view of themselves. They see themselves as
like some kind of superhero. And everybody was looking at

(44:44):
the going wait a minute, dude, you're you're sixty two
years old, you're like one hundred pounds overweight. Come on.
And again, when you look at the people that are
trying to cancel Tucker and can this, and then you
look at Tucker and Candace's like a completely different vibe.

(45:06):
The cancer is like these dark, googlish presences, and then
Tucker and Candas are all almost like light coming off
of them. And so this really is a battle between
the light and dark, I believe, and I believe that
the dark is very terrified right now of us, and
that's why I think they're going to pull something off,

(45:27):
because they have no compunction about killing people.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
That is what I'm worried about. I'm worried about something
big like that, like.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Uh yeah, but they're already putting it in place. And
then we see, you know, those Google searches for everybody
that's involved, including the surgeons. I mean two months before
the shooting. That is a sophisticated operation, I gotta tell you.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, the Google searches the there I mean, where was
the bullet? Where where's the autopsy? You know, where's the
autopsy finance?

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Well, Erica says she saw it, so I don't know.
But she also said that she doesn't trust what she's
seeing as evidence too, which is interesting. And she says
she doesn't believe in coincidences, which is interesting. I don't either,
So she may not be the boogie person everybody thinks
she is. Maybe she is looking into it. You don't know.

(46:30):
You know, you can't read people when they're greeting. You
just can't.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Yeah, and then you have well, she had supposedly seen
the footage from behind Charlie Kirk Kendecans had seen that,
and then she tried to contact the person that has
it and then he basically refused to send it to
her because he was afraid that Google was going to

(46:56):
hack it or something.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
That's what I mean. There's just so many things in
this thing that's just so strange, and the answers from
questions are so strange and weird. And like what, And
then the video came out of the two EMT dudes handing,
trying to hand the EMT a box full of gauze

(47:21):
and clamps and alcohol and all the things you need
for a traumatic shooting. What they're there and they're trying
to give them as they're getting in the car the
EMT box and they just blew them off. Listen, what
the EMT should have gotten in the car actually is

(47:42):
what should have happened. He should have gotten in the
cart by the gauze tried to stop the bleeding. And
they're going to come out and say, well, he was
already dead or something. You watch, but how you know?
How do you know? How do you can't tell if
somebody's dad? They could be in shock and trauma. Their
eyes will be open, they'll look like they're dad, but
they're just a shock and travel. I had a dog
get hit by a car wise, so I thought it

(48:03):
was dead. He woke up two hours later, right, and
he was laying there like Rugan Mortis almost right. I
was all sad at and all of a sudden, there
is my dog running around. So you can't you're not know?
Those few are legally qualified to declare somebody's debt. You
have to have a surgeon or a medical person do that.
So that's going to be their excuse. And again another

(48:27):
another weird thing going on here.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Well, when it comes to like AI and stuff, do
you think that AI will ever be able to translate
like old text and like ancient like uniform tablets and stuff.
Because I feel like that that might be something good
that AI may be used for. Yeah, there is like
deciphering old text that and we might get something completely

(48:57):
different than what has been deciped for so far. Like
if you took all the Dead Sea Scrolls, like the
original writings of like the Bible and ran them through AI,
we will probably get something completely different than what we've been.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, the AI doesn't have any personal feelings, so you know,
it doesn't have you know, what if the person who's translating,
you know, the Dead Sea Scrolls is a devout Jew
or a devout Christian, right, well they're going to read
it through that lens with the AI wo and so
it'll pick up the nuances that will get missed by
the human. That's what going on with in Aruta, which

(49:36):
is a Babylonian city in Iraq, ancient Babylonian city excavating
an excavator found almost three hundred cuneiform tablets, like about
a year ago or a year and a half ago.
And these were really high quality, I mean they're preserved
and they're really high quality. And so they brought a

(49:57):
bunch of translators in. This female doctor was the head
of the translation, and the translator kept going, what this
is the weirdest uh Sumerian that I've ever seen. Has
got letters I've never seen before and weird stuff, and
so she got frustrated, and so she got managed to
get an AI translation program, and a really good one,

(50:21):
and they took images of the uniform tablets and they
put it through the AI program, and the AI began
saying things like that, you know that they made humans,
that people from the sky, not people, beings came from

(50:43):
the sky and combined the skype of beings with the
earth and created human beings. And they created four types
of human beings, the Knower, the Builder, the warrior, and
the healer. And that these four types of human beings

(51:04):
should never be intermixed, that that would ruin the entire
thing because each one had to be separate, and that
is incredible because one of my friends has now passed away.
Robert Lawler, he studied in India for thirty years. He
read all these ancient books. He could read Sanskrit and everything,

(51:25):
and he would sit and tell me that that the
Indian ancient Indians believe that there are four types of humans, right,
and that they should never intermix. They can't, they can't intermarry.
They can't intermix because if they did, each type will
lose their ability. It will eventually go away. So healers
will not be able to heal anymore. The builders will
not be able to build anymore. And so when I

(51:48):
saw this documentary on this translation of the Cuneiform tablets,
and I saw that they were saying exactly the same
thing that Robert Lawler has written many books on the subject,
was saying. I said, no, there's there's something here that's
actually right. And and then you know these these tablets.

(52:11):
The woman running the whole experiment of the translation, she
got freaked out because here she was a scientist who
believes in an evolution and the slow progress of beings,
and here she's reading texts and that they're manufacturing human
beings using genetic techniques and it just blew her mind,

(52:32):
and so she drifted off and stopped the project. And
now the project is over. But what's interesting is that
the AI, oh, they turned the AI off, but before
they turned the AI off, it began sending the translations
that it had out to other AI computers around the world,

(52:54):
and so it preserved all the translations. So somehow the
AI knew that it was in danger. And you want
two things. It knew that it was dealing with some
of the most important information ever discovered, okay, and then
two that it was so it was so dangerous to

(53:16):
the scientists that were looking at all of this that
it must have known that it was going to get
shut off. So it sent out fragments in all directions
so that this very important information would stay around. And
it is important information and it confirms you know, Sumerian
scholars like Zachariah Sinson have been saying for years what

(53:36):
they read in the Cuneiform tablets was just this that
the au Naki, whoever the on Naki are, came here
and created us. And you know, every animal on earth
can live in the wild and defend itself, all right,
Maybe big cows that are corporate cows can. But for

(53:59):
the most part, all the dogs and all the cats
and everything can defend itself out. Well, there's only one
animal on earth that can't do that. That's us. If
we don't have a roof over our head, clothing, a weapon,
and fire, we cannot live. And we need all four.
We can't have one of them or two of them.

(54:20):
We need all four. And so that is because we
are we've been rendered kind of helpless, so that if
we escaped our slavery into the wilderness, we wouldn't survive.
And that can be the only reason I can think
of for what And and clearly, these these cut deformed

(54:41):
tablets are saying that we're here to do the work
for these people. That's what we're here for. You know.
The builders are supposed to build, and the healers are
supposed to heal, and the knowers are supposed to think
about it and plant it and all the rest. And
so I think that we are we have been messed with.
And I mean, if we evolved here, like evolution says

(55:05):
that we should never get a sun in, we shull
have gotten past that hundreds of thousands of years ago.
We should never get cardiac cataracts from being out in
the sun, or I should have solved that problem hundreds
of thousands of years ago. We shouldn't have a lot
of things that we have. We can't run. We're as

(55:25):
slow ast animal on earth. My cat can outrun me,
you know. But what we have is a big brain,
so we can think our way through things, and so
that's what we've relied on and that was probably the
entire purpose of our creation. Now did aliens create us?
I don't think so. I've been going through a lot
of the Vedic texts that Robert Lawler would tell me about,

(55:48):
and they say that beings from the sky, so I
could see where people would think that was aliens. But
we now know that from the February twenty twenty five
for a report that there's the sky is filled with
all these plasma beings that appear to be alive and
have consciousness. So is it possible that they somehow came

(56:12):
down from the sky and created us? Are we partially
plasma beings? And the answer is yeah, that's what we are.
We have a light body, our brain is made out
of plasma, our blood is plasma. And you take curly
in photographs of humans and you can see their art
field around them, and all of mystical traditions tell that

(56:37):
we have an invisible light body around us and that
it's your choice to make it healthier or not. It's
what alphemy is all about. And so I think that
the sky beings created us, and when we die, we
go back up into the sky the heaven, say heaven

(56:59):
and the Kordileski clouds. There are two plasma clouds right
near the earth. And once you understand all that, then
you realize that you are immortal and that you just
here borrowing this body for a very very short time,
and you know what you do here determines what happens

(57:22):
to you when you go back up into the plaza field.
And so a lot of the stuff that the religions,
I know new agers hate this, but a lot of
stuff that the religions teach's true. There is a personal
judgment of what you did here at the end of life.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
It would be more of you judging yourself frame like that,
because something else created us, and then they're judging us
off of their creation. I don't feel like it's going
to be a judgment from anything else. It's going to
be if it's true, and we get like a life review,
and whenever we die, we get that life review or whatever.

(58:03):
Then when you see that life review, you are going
to judge yourself based off of what you've seen somebody,
a creator can't judge you because the creator created all
this for us to be in. So how can the
creator judge it's creation based off of what it already created, right?

Speaker 2 (58:22):
I think yourself. I think at the end, you go,
holy crap. You know. The Egyptians say that when you die,
they weigh your soul and if your soul is lighter
than a feather, you get to go back up into
the into the heavens, and if your soul is heavier
than the feather, then you go back down into the
gravitational well start all over again. And I think there's

(58:43):
a lot of truth to that. I think you watch
it and you say, oh my god, I should have
done that. You should have done that, you know, and
it's probably quite an embarrassing experience with the life review,
and because you know, you did a lot of dumb stuff,
especially when you're young. And but yeah, I think you do.
I think you judge, and you know, try not to

(59:05):
try not to hurt people, and try not to hurt animals,
and try to do your best to be honest and
help everybody that you can, and that'll go a long
way for your afterlife experience, and that will make your
past life regression experience a much more pleasant experience. Daniel Brinkley,

(59:26):
the guy's written all these books on near death experience,
is a good friend of mine. And when he goes
to conferences, he just sits there and he hugs everybody.
He's like six foot five like you. He's a huge guy,
and he's hug everybody, and everybody's head comes up to here,
even me, right a big bear guy. And one time
I asked him, I said, Daniel, why you hug everybody?
He said, well, I was in Vietnam and I did

(59:48):
a lot of really bad stuff, So I figure I
got to do a lot of really really good stuff
when life review comes, I can at least have some
good stuff in there. And you know, I think that's
actually I think. You know, and get caught up in
a bad situation where you have to do harm to somebody,
you know, then you have to like kind of make

(01:00:08):
up for it, and the rest of your life it's
just the way it is. It's a balance of life,
and you know, a lot of people don't like to
hear it. I don't care. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
The problem with religion is people use religion as an
excuse to be good, right when you should just be
a good person, regardless if you are a Christian or
if you're a Muslim or whatever religion that you subscribe to.
You should just try and be a good person. It
doesn't matter what you think that is going on or

(01:00:37):
what you're going to do in the afterlife. You should
just be a good person.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
I don't need to pray every single day to a
god outside of myself to be a good person. I
don't need to read the Bible to be a good person.
I don't need to read the Quran to be a
good person. But a lot of people think that those
are the only ways to be a good person is
to be religious and to take on that religious ideology,

(01:01:04):
when that's not true at all. I mean, there's some
people of that are like, well, if I didn't have
the Bible and I wasn't a devout follower of Jesus,
then I don't know, I would just kill people. What
so you're using religion to the way that the only
thing that's keeping you from killing people, you're just not

(01:01:28):
a good person.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Bro. That's funny because the slogan losing my religion, that's
actually a Southern phrase, and it means, if you keep
doing what you're doing, I'm going to lose my temper. Right,
as if to say that the only thing stopping him
from having a bad temper was his religion, right, And
that's where that phrase comes from. And yeah, you're right.

(01:01:50):
I'm not a churchy guy. I grew up a Catholic
and not really interested in it all. I had to
hear it all my life. I went to Catholic school
and I heard it all, and I know it all,
and it's all very interesting. I don't subscribe to their
version of what happened with Jesus, but and I don't

(01:02:11):
mind other religions. You can practice all you want. I'm
a Dallas, you know. I just do practices, physical practices
and breathing exercises, and yeah, you try to be a
good person every day, try to do the right thing
every day, try to help people that need help, and
you know, and it all comes to pay back. And
I truly believe in the laws of karbon and just

(01:02:33):
look at Corey good if you don't believe in the
laws of karma. So I think, you know, you know again,
you do something bad, it's going to come back and
get you, if not in this life, then in the
afterlife or in the next life. And I know these
are things a lot of people don't want to hear
because they don't want to think that there's going to

(01:02:53):
be some kind of karmike payoff for the bad things
they did. But there is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Sorry, if anybody has any questions, please put them in
all caps and put a question mark at the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
End of it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
We'll have time for about three or four questions for
Jay or for myself towards the end of the video.
And I have something really interesting too. It's like, see,
I don't believe in the Crucifixion. I think that the
crucifixion was nonsense. I think it was invented by the

(01:03:27):
Roman Catholic Church to you know, to take a dad
from the Pagans and then turn it into something else,
to get everybody on the same page, to convert people
and take their gods that they already believed in and
subvert it and create their own religion based upon it.
And there's a lot of proof of that. The crucifixion

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never happened. Now, that doesn't mean that somebody named Jesus
didn't exist. I mean you could have. I mean, we
know it wasn't really his name, Jesus. It's impossible for
anybody two thousand years ago to be named Jesus, and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
That the letter Jay didn't exist.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
And all that. But I mean it is possible there
that there was a figure that like that's being described.
I mean, it goes back thousands of years before Christianity
ever existed, the same type of archetype of character sitting
around from.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
All In his book, Manley Holland's book Mystery of All
Ages shows you there's been at least seven seventeen crucified gods,
including Krishna, by the way, and he lifts them all
in the book. You see well. And Jordan Maxwell used
to say to me that that while it's true that

(01:04:49):
Rome was crucified like everybody, he said that what really
doing is all alchemical symbolism, all right. The cross is
a chemical symbol for the division and the crossing of
two powers, and sitting in a cave and turning into

(01:05:10):
a light body. That's in alchemy. That's an alchemical tradition.
So I hadn't read the New Testament in thirty years.
And then one day, about five years ago, someone was
talking to one of my friends who was an alchemist,
and he said, when was the last time you read
the New Testament? I said thirty years. He goes, ony,
don't you read it again? You might find it interesting

(01:05:31):
now that you know what you know. I read it
and I said, this is a book about a crucified savior.
This is a book about a guy who probably traveled
to India and learned the light body techniques that we
know exists, and he came back and he taught it.
That's all what he taught. And that's what I got
from the book, and that the whole crucifixion is an

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alchemical thing. Is how you vitrify the thing you're working on,
and then going into the dark cave for three days
and nights, that's how the process grows and gets bigger.
And then he comes out and he's shining light. Yet well,
he became a light body while he was in there.
That's what it's saying. And the Catholic Church knows this.

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By the way, I've got absolute proof immortality. Key. It's
a great book. He shows that the Catholic Church sent
priests to Tibetan India to see if this light body
tradition is real, and they came back and said, yeah,
it's real. So that's what I view Jesus as is
just a guy who learned an ancient tradition that you know,

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alchemists have been talking about for centuries. It's not really
that big a thing. Although maybe at that time in
the West, in the Mediterranean area, that was a big thing.
Maybe it was just a Tibetan India that they were
doing it. Maybe he was one of the first people
to bring over this tradition from the East. That could be.

(01:06:56):
I don't know, but I doubt. I believe that's what
happened here, and I believe it's a complete utter misreading everything.
They couldn't have done a worse misreading, especially at the
Council of the Constatine and three twenty a d where
they rewrote the Bible. They threw everything out that was.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Decent, you know, they in fact did. And then even
with like you know Bill Donohue talking about how you
know it's all about the It's astrological. You know, the
goes his cycle goes up through the constellation Crocs, and
then it's crucified, and then it lays in the tomb
of the Earth for three days and then arises again

(01:07:36):
on the winter solstice. You know, it's an astrological thing.
It's the sun. And also talked about that, and we
actually have a question here too, as Loretta Enigma says,
I'm a fan of Jordan Maxwell. Jay he was for
real rights. Some people imply that he was a plant
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Well, if he was a plant, man, he was a
porous plan I ever met. That guy. Had nothing. He
did have a car, didn't have an apartment, didn't have
any clothes. I had three pairs of clothing that he wore.
He was definitely real. He's one of the sweetest people
I've ever known in my whole life. I got to
be honest with you, and I got a phone call.

(01:08:21):
I've been working at Gaya for a couple of years.
I got a phone call from somebody. They said, oh, man,
Jordan's in bad shape. Man, he's really ill, and he
doesn't have any money. He's starving to death and So
I went to my boss's at guy and said, I
want to do a show with Jordan Maxwell. So we
get him some money, and so we flew him up
to Colorado. We put him up in an apartment for

(01:08:44):
almost a year, and every now I got to go
over to Jordan's apartment and talk to him for hours
and hours to look at his slide shows. And it
was just one of the most memorable experiences of my
whole life. And so, no, I know people, and I
understand why you think he might be an agent. I
confronted him a couple of times, and no, he came
out clean, and so no, I don't think so. If

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he is, he's the poorest guy I ever known who
worked for the government.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
I was fortunate enough to meet him at UFO Mega
Con like four years ago or five years ago, but
he wasn't doing well then, so probably didn't remember who
it was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Yeah, he was starting to go by then. Yeah, No,
that's a great guy. I learned a lot. One of
the weirdest stories that he ever told me was because
he came from Chicago. He's actually Italian, that's not his
real name, and he said that he knew this cop
in Chicago, who was walking down the sidewalk one day

(01:09:47):
doing his beat and he heard like the air above him.
He's right next to a construction they're building a high rise,
and he heard like something cutting through the air above him.
So he looked up and he saw a construction worker
with him. Art had falling through the air right, and
he's like, oh wow. And the guy hit the concrete
on his feet. This is what the cop said. The

(01:10:09):
guy hit the concrete on his feet, looked at the
cop and said, I just really screwed up. And then
he said his whole body just fell apart. And he's like, WHOA.
I wonder what that was about. And my theory is
that he saw the guy's spirit right, say I really

(01:10:33):
screwed up, and then he saw the body collapsed onto
the concrete. That's my theory. I don't know, but Georgian
stawn stories like that, the weirdest stories. What no way,
But he was a great storyteller, really great guy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Do you think that things that are shown to us
like that for like specific people, like specific people get
those kinds of experiences in their life.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Yeah, I do, because I tell you what. One time
I was working for a big corporation and I was
doing something really expensive and I was in charge of
the project, and somebody from another department came in and
wanted to talk to the people that I was working
with on this project. And I said, yeah, you spend

(01:11:25):
five minutes talking. I've got most I'll come back in
five minutes. So I came back in five minutes, and
this person from another department had completely talked this person
into a doing the project completely differently than we had
already agreed on, right, And so it took like me
forty five minutes untangled. I had seven workers sitting around

(01:11:47):
waiting for me to give them orders. I had untangled
whole situation, and so I decided I did untangle it.
So I took the person that was from the other
department out quietly out into a hallway because I don't
want to make a rockets in front and embarrass anybody. Right,
this is a woman. I took her out and quietly
always says, listen, you can't you can't do that. You know,

(01:12:09):
you just cost the company like four thousand bucks and
lost labor time, and you can't do that. You can
never do that again. So okay, and split second and
I mean it was one hundredth of a second. Her
face contorted and distorted and turned into a demonic face,

(01:12:32):
I mean completely demonic. And I saw she saw that.
I saw it, and I started taking steps backwards, like
what the heck right? And that's when I came to
realize that, yeah, you're meant to see some things and
only in split moments, and they're all meant for you.
I guess away. I became a firm believer in demons

(01:12:55):
after that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
H absolutely absolutely I would. I've seen something kind of similar,
but it was from farther away. Walked into this auto
mechanic place in New Mexico a long time ago, and
this guy was sitting there and he was like, you

(01:13:21):
look like he was really fat. He look like he
was like really big, you know, like he was at
a big old stomach and he had like a fat fit.
But it was from a distance, right, And I was like, hey,
can I get my automobile worked on or whatever? You know,
it's kind of broken down, it's smoking or whatever. And
then took about ten minutes. I was waiting outside for

(01:13:42):
him the walk out, and the person that walked out
was there was only one guy in there. Okay, just
one guy. It was just this a little shop. There's
only one dude in there. The guy that walk out
was a super skinny running like looking to I was like,

(01:14:05):
what was that? WHOA so weird, so strange. But again
it was that like a really different The lights were
kind of den and stuff. But maybe I just seen
him as something completely different but didn't look like the
same person. It's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Yeah, well I saw it was very similar to the
way that they showed the demons in The Devil's Advocate
with Canou Reeves and al Pacino. There was just this
little flash that they would accident let down their guard
for a moment and you could see it and then
it would come back and hilarious, I gotta fly on

(01:14:46):
the camera here, hilarious and so yeah and so yeah,
and you know, I'll say one more thing about demons.
I was watching in twenty eighteen. I was watching Alex
Jones interviewing a guy who is teaching you how to
recognize demons, and and I was watching I was going, well,

(01:15:09):
you know, if this is all real, yeah there, this
is all real, then then then this show can't go
on because the demons will stop it, right, sure as hell.
Two weeks later, shows got driven off the air for
years actually, and I was like, whoa, hey, hey, so

(01:15:30):
you you interviewed Jerry what's his name. Yeah, he actually
talked to one remember in the psychiatric hospital, and so
why do you do this to this poor guy? Goes
This guy believes everything I say, I mean say the
wordest stuff and he believes and I can't believe it.
And you know, then you look at people who you know,

(01:15:52):
channel and they believe everything that the Channel thing is
telling them. It's almost always wrong and they don't ever
see it. So you know, I, yeah, the demon thing
is real.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
We got one more question and then we're gonna wrap
up for today. Jay Lake sny Laura wants to know
your theory on three aiunt.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
I've got a very different theory. I believe that it's
a gigantic plasma entity and that it is intelligent, and
that it goes from Sun to Sun, sucking up the
plasma energy like filling up your gasoline tank. And I

(01:16:36):
think that's what we're witnessing here. And I think it's
curious about us in the Solar System, and it is
flying by Mars, and it's flying by Jupiter, and you know,
so I think that's what I think it is. And
I you know, I think the scientists don't know, can't
get their head wrapped around the idea that there might
be giant, intelligent plasma entities and outer space. And I

(01:16:57):
think there are. I think there's many of them, just
one of them. So I don't even believe it's solid.
I believe, but plasma can get so solidified it appears
to be solid. So you know, that's what I think.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Karen, I don't see a question from you in all caps,
so that's why I didn't bring it up. Sorry, Yeah, Jay,
let people know what you're working on, what's next for you,
and what you got going on.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Yeah. Well, I'm making a seven part series with my
friend Helen or Resnor, and it's called The Invisible Universe.
It's about plasma and it's got I got a lot
of big people in it, and I'm about ninety percent
of the way done. But you know, ten percent of
ten thousand miles is still a thousand miles. So it's

(01:17:50):
going to take me to I would say, especially if
I break for JFKX two, which I am probably end
of March, I'll be done with it and I can
get it out and make my money back, because it's
costs me a lot of money so far and I
ain't getting anything back.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
That's how it goes sometimes, But I'm looking forward to
seeing it and having you watch it. Yeah, I would
like to definitely send me a link so I can.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
I will as I get episode one done.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Cool and let people know about your channel where they
can find you online where they can watch our movies,
and I got.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Channel Reality Check on YouTube. We can get all my
free writing at Jay Widner dot com. All my twenty
movie plus movies are over at guy dot com and
Amazon dot com and JFKX and Clockwork Shining. The two
films I did with you are both up and doing
quite well on Amazon and other services like tov and Apple,

(01:18:52):
and exciting time to be a filmmaker goes with you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Thanks for coming on, Jay, really appreciate it. Please you
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Bye bye