The Truth About Halloween: Ancient Beliefs, Spirits & Symbolism

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Speaker 1 (00:38):
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(00:59):
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(01:22):
Jay Widner have plans to make other titles, maybe even
sequels in the future. So with that down, we have
with us today here to talk with us about Halloween
and the true meaning of it, just in time for
spooky holiday season. I'm all dressed up in my Halloween
get up. He is the host of The Secret Teachings,

(01:44):
author researcher, veteran radio host, good friend of mine, Ryan
Gable welcome back to the show. How's it going, my friend?

Speaker 2 (01:52):
How anybuddy's going good? I'm glad to be back on
Raised by Giants.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
It's been a minute since I've done a show. It's
been like over a month now, been on this documentary
doing my thing.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
How's the documentary going?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
It's going really good. I got a few other things
to film for it, and a few other interviews, and
then it's just editing time. Editing.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
The editing is the worst part. Well, some people like editing,
but I think it's the worst part.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, it's a lot of fun. I actually really enjoy it.
But sometimes, bro, it's just it gets to the point
where you're like, oh my god, dude, it is when
I'm freaking bang my head against the wall or something.
It gets overwhelming at times. But I like the problem
solving aspect of it because I'm a problem solver. Yes,
that's what I like the most about it. But man,

(02:45):
I've missed a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff
has happened. I know the show is about Halloween, and
we're definitely going to talk about Halloween, but holy crap,
I've missed a lot. Charlie Kirk assassination, Government.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Shut You didn't even cover that.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Nope, didn't cover it. Amazon Cloud server went down, which
then shut down half the Internet.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Like I did hear about that?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
You didn't hear about that. Yeah, so the Amazon cloudserver
went down, and like half the Internet was like then
shut down.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's so I'm so burned out with much of this
stuff that I have just tried to focus on my
specialty history, myth symbolism, stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, that seems to be the thing to kind of
and I'm actually lucky that I skipped over a lot
of this stuff because it's just like it's just over
and over and over again, same stuff. But yeah, that happened,
which seems like it would be a really big problem
that if one company like runs all the servers for
like half the Internet. Kind of strange. And then we

(03:55):
got the government shut down and all that, which is
kind of crazy too because active, well at least in
my area, active duty military is not getting paid, which
has only happened one other time in the history of
the United States, which was in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
I wonder if the irs still gets paid.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Oh, I'm sure they do.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I'm sure there's a bunch of different government branches that
still make money, still get paid.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
But does that not seem like a huge problem? Ryan.
If the government is not in operation, then the military
essentially falls apart. I see that as a big, a
big issue.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
I haven't put much thought into the recent shutdown, but
I have considered how I think I've heard other people
talk about this too. Obviously, you don't need that big
of a government because your lives proceed onward. Each day
of the government is quote shut down. But then again,
what is the definition of shut down? Because, as you

(05:05):
just said, military might not be getting paid, but I'm
sure that there are some people in the military getting paid.
I'm sure that checks to defense contractors are still being cashed.
I'm sure that there's some generals still making some money.
It's probably the low level, average soldier who doesn't get paid,
but I'm sure the generals make money. I'm sure the
high level of people and the companies that they work

(05:26):
with to make weapons, I'm sure that they all still
get paid. I would have very little trust in anybody
who suggests otherwise. I'm sure the money still moves so well.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
That's the thing about it is that the money for
all the military services are allocated at the beginning of
every single year the budget. It's already figured it out
at the beginning of every year, So where's the money?
Why aren't they getting paid? You know, it's something that
no one's really brought up, and I'm sure it has
something to do with congressional things, like they had the

(06:00):
money but it wasn't there in time or whatever the
excuse is. But it's allocated for every single military service
at the beginning of every year. So it's kind of
weird that only within how long has it been since
the government shut down, like less than a month. It's
coming up on a month here soon, that the active
duty military isn't getting paid. I mean NASA laid off

(06:24):
like what I mean, not furloughed, NASA furloaed like nineteen
thousand employees just two days after the government shut down.
So it's like, are all these institutions like bankrupt? Do
they not have any money in reserve in case something
like this happens. You would think that the military in

(06:46):
the United States would have enough money in reserve. But
it's so weird that because based off of that logic,
if some active duty military are not currently getting paid,
NASA has to furlough all of these people. A lot
of these government contractors and people are getting furloughed. That

(07:06):
means that these companies and organizations are only existing from
month to month.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I think a lot of it is simply politics, and
I think it's gross and disgusting on both sides.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
That seems to be a really big chink in the
armor though, Like if you can't go over a month
without furloughing a crap ton of employees for your military
and then not paying active duty soldiers, that seems to
be a really big problem in a really big issue.

(07:46):
But with Halloween approaching this week, let's peel back those layers.
Because with every holiday, pretty much there seems to be
the public's perception of what that holiday is, and then
there is the hidden meaning or the true meaning, if
you will. As as far as I can tell, most

(08:09):
look at like Halloween as the reason to dress up.
I mean, I'm dressed up right now, but to go
out and get candy, which is fun. Other you know,
fundamentalist Christians believe that it's you know, satanic. And I
don't know if you're familiar with this quote, but it's
from Anton Leavy, which everyone should know who Anton LaVey is.

(08:30):
He was the head of the Church of Satan. But
he had this quote. I think it's been misquoted, and
there's been different variations of the quote, but it essentially
goes something like, I'm glad that parents let their children
worship the devil at least one night out of the year.
Are you familiar with that quote?

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Very familiar with right, yes?

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, So what's the origin of this holiday? Ryan?

Speaker 3 (08:59):
So I have a couple of one.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
We should note that there have been countless times throughout history,
both in the United States and in other countries, where
soldiers were not getting paid. This is not an abnormal
or uncommon thing. But in regard to Halloween, in the
history of Halloween, yes, I've first heard that quote many
many times. And that quote, like so many other Anton

(09:23):
LaVey quotes, are usually taken out of context, kind of
like when Leo Zagami, who I've been friends with for
a long time, Leo Zagami, who I know you've met too,
he joked one time. I think it was on a
YouTube video. He joked one time he said something like
I am Satan, and then of course people are messaging me.
He just admitted that he worships the devil and there's

(09:46):
no context for a joke, or like Candice Own's recently
was talking about how Sam Altman and Peter Teel and
she mentioned maybe Bill Gates or somebody else, but she
mentioned how a lot of these tech people. Elon Musk
I think was the other one, how they kind of
don't act human and there's something in their eyes. They
don't really seem like they're human. Maybe they're possessed by something,

(10:09):
And I think she was approaching that from a Catholic
demonic possession exorcism idea. But anyway, the point is when
she said that, you know, people take that little clip and.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
She's totally crazy.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
She believes what David Ike believes now and if you
don't understand what monologuing is, that's what Candae Owans was doing.
So it's like that with what Leo Zagami said, or
many times on the show. I've joked around and said
on my own show, I've said, you know, I'm a witch.
I have spices in my kitchen and I tend to

(10:42):
use herbal remedies for things. That's the definition of witchcraft.
Then people think that I'm like a witch, or if
I say well, I'm not a Christian, just to confirm
that my point of view is not skewed in the
Christian direction. Then people think he's a witch who rejects Christ.
It's that kind of silly thing. And I don't like

(11:02):
Anton Levey. I don't really hate him either. I just
I'm kind of neutral on the subject. I'm not a
fan of his work. But if you listen to interviews
with him where they're in context, he'll say things. One
of my favorite clips of Levey is when he's talking
about why they surround themselves with what we would maybe
call the symbols of Halloween, skalls, skeletons, et cetera, because

(11:24):
he says they're momentumory. They are reminders that we will die,
and that's really part of what Halloween's about. That quote
had nothing to do with Halloween, but he said in
an interview that the symbols represent a reminder that you
will die, which is not a bad thing or a
good thing. It's just a thing. It's just a fact

(11:46):
you will die. And when you die, hopefully you left
behind something that was beneficial to everybody else that you know,
you raised your kids right, or you contributed to society
in some positive, uplifting, up building way. And that's kind
of the problem with the visuals of Halloween is that

(12:07):
people see skeletons and think that everybody worships death. People
misinterpret what Diwali is. For example, you've been out of
the loop, you said, so, I'm not sure if you
saw me post my shows on Diwali. They were about
other things too, But I mentioned Diwali on one of

(12:28):
my shows because of course Donald Trump lit some candles
in the White House and that was considered a demonic
ritual and satanic and evil and he's not really a Christian,
and I thought, well, that's bizarre considering how much attention
he's given Israel and people don't seem to have an
issue with that. But he lit a candle, and that
means he's abandoned Jesus. So that part confused me. And

(12:51):
it's literally a candle. That's what Diwali is. It's literally
about lighting candles. The word diwali is it originates in sand,
I believe, and it translates directly to row of lights,
which means that when you put lights on your house
for Christmas. I guess people still do that. Put lights
on your house for Christmas. The definition of that in

(13:15):
a very ancient language called Sanskrit is di wally. So
you did de wally on your house and watching people
get angry and think that that's devil worship and that's evil,
is it's not just a bizarre thing. I mean, I
could be sarcastic, which I am, and I could kind
of laugh at it and think, well, that's kind of
funny that people still think that that's it's actually it's sad,

(13:38):
it's kind of funny. I'm not really I'm confused on
the emotions of what to think about it, but ultimately
it's actually terrifying. I think it's terrifying. I did a
show actually called Jesus is the Reason for the Treason?
And I suggested that whatever this I'm not sure what

(14:00):
to call it writer, frankly, but whatever, this growing Christian
nationalist movement is, and anytime you critique it, of course
people say, well, that's a different version of Christianity. They're Catholics,
or they're Baptists, or they're this, or okay, whatever. But
there's a growing Christian movement and I'm not opposed to that.
I think that that's in many ways a positive thing.

(14:21):
But if that growing Christian movement is and this is
a different subject, but if that growing Christian movement is
being used as a form of propaganda to encourage people
to support it foreign country or to back wars that
seem to appear like armageddon, and that's all part of
the well, at least one interpretation of random biblical verses

(14:43):
and the eschatological narrative. I mean, that's dangerous, and that
means our politicians and our quote leaders are willing to
sell out their own people are willing to discard the
rule of law, are willing to allow the republic to
fall simply because of some religious belief system. And that's

(15:04):
extremely dangerous, and it's doubly dangerous when you have, again,
don't know what to call them. I'd say people on
the political right who are now doing exactly what the
political left did. Now we have people in the political
right calling for the banning of Islam, calling for the
banning of prayer, like Muslims should not be allowed to pray,

(15:28):
And I get yeah, not in the middle of the road,
although that isn't actually really happening much in reality, But
people wanting Muslims to not be able to pray at all.
People wanting mosques to be shut down, people wanting to
ban Islam as a religion, and there's a very aggressive
and nasty and vile foreign element which is pushing this
and a domestic one. But the point is, it doesn't

(15:50):
matter what you think about Islam or certainly I'm not
a Muslim and it doesn't matter what I think. But
if you can argue that, and you have a right
to argue that, it's a stupid thing to argue because
if you can argue that, well, then the next person
who takes power, who isn't a Christian nationalist, will just
argue to ban your religion. You're setting a very very

(16:11):
dangerous precedent, and you're also doing something that is completely
contrary to the foundational First Amendment to the US Constitution.
So all of that is it might sound unrelated to Halloween,
but it's really important, I think, because if you don't
understand that Dwali means light bulbs and candles and literal

(16:34):
fire from like a big lighter is this is twenty
twenty five. People should be aware of this by now
and knowing that means that, well, you're not going to
be really angry and calling for the banning of Hinduism,
because there's a movement now to do that that's grown
over the last couple of weeks because the President lit

(16:56):
some candles in the White House and so all of that.
Whatever that is, I don't know what it is fundamentalism.
I don't think it's all fundamentalism. It's a mixture of
different things. It's also a mixture of propaganda and just
vile hatred and political political identities and just people fighting
over nonsense. Ultimately, though, what I'm getting at here is

(17:21):
the reason that Halloween is viewed the way that it
is is because of those attitudes and those ideas, those mindsets,
those perceptions, because of religious points of view that very
per person. So you go back to what Anton Leavey said,
and he says, this is momentumory, this is a reminder

(17:42):
that will die and that we should do good in life.
And your definition of good is different than his. Again,
I don't really like Anton Levy. I'm just saying that
one line that you ask the question about the quote,
one line taken out of context is not proof of anything.
And yet I've also seen that quote. I even played

(18:04):
a clip of somebody saying that on my show the
other night, that quote is being used as proof that
Halloween is a Satanic holiday. And then on top of that,
one of the clips that I played on my show,
and there's a whole bunch of them that are being
shared by right wing influencers. People are using this new
talking point. I don't know if you've heard this, the

(18:25):
new talking and this is not a joke. The new
talking point is Halloween is a Christian holiday. And there's
a couple of there's at least one main Catholic guy
on TikTok who says that Halloween has always been a
Christian holiday and that sometime in the eighteen nineties I
think was the date he gave that's the first time

(18:46):
that we started calling it a pagan holiday. So it
was always Christian, but we have Pagans today that have
tried to co opt Christianity, which is like a profound
in version of reality and profound gas lighting.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Of that's a total that's a total inversion of what happened,
Like the Celtic religion that was like that they celebrated
the end to mark the end of harvest in the
beginning of the dark half of the year, which is fall,
which then you get into what is fall. The fall
is fall of man. Right, and the Celtics believe that

(19:25):
the veil between the living and the dead was thinnest
on October thirty first, right in spirits and ancestors could
cross over, and people with light bonfires and war disguises,
which then gets into your whole candle lighting thing as well,
because the lighting of a candle is actually to ward
off hornful spirits. Yes, then offer they would just you know,

(19:48):
give offerings to the dead, you know, I mean that's
the real foundation of Halloween. And when Christianity spread through
the Celtic regions at the beginning of like I think
it's like the eighth Sint Tree, like around seven oh
one AD, the Church didn't get rid of the holiday.
They just completely rebranded it, right, They rebranded the entire holiday.

(20:12):
They called it All Saints Day, which was November first,
and then the day before that was All Hollows Day,
so the All Hollows Eve, which then became Halloween. Right,
just like the Church did to Christmas, which was a
traditionally a pagan Celtic holiday, they then converted it, renamed

(20:35):
it and rebranded it, but really quickly before I let
you go on that Gnarley Sheen is in the chat here,
and he's actually the one that sent me this robe
that I'm currently wearing.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
You look like a druid.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
That's why I'm wearing it. Bro let me light my
candle brow ward off the evil spirits. But he's the
one that sent me this robe for me to wear
at contact in the desert. He sent me this last year.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
And why didn't I get a robe Narley sin Rider.
It's a lot more fabric than me. He's much taller
than I am. It's more expensive.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
I think it was pretty expensive for this. This is
like an xx L large robe. Dude, it's a huge
robe because I'm super tall. But he wore so I
could be Ashtar Galactic Command from the half dimension of Nickelback.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Three quarters the Emerald Alliance.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yes, because I would exactly like Ashtar Lord Ashtar, because
everyone knows what Lord Ashtar looks like. There would be like,
oh my God, is that Lord Ashtar.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
And then you've got a facial structure you could you
could do like a like you need some like blue paint.
I've seen Ashtar Command people wearing blue paints. Put some
like blue war paint above your eyebrows, and maybe like
an arrow like Avatar or said Avatar the Last Airbender.
I'm sorry, something like that. I think you'd look really
good in that. You could, you could definitely take some

(22:01):
people's money.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, I was charging three hundred dollars for a good old.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Healing session three thirty three thirty three.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Three three three baby, But yeah, thank you, Narla Sheen.
Appreciate your brother. Good to see you. And yeah, he
actually sent me this from listening to one of the
shows that we did together on your channel. And then
he hit me up, I'm going to see you a robe, bro,
do it. I'll wear it. I'll wear it to Contact.
But I didn't end up getting to make it to Contact.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
This Year's going next year, even if they won't give
me a ticket, We're going. I'm going to fly in
and we're just going to crash it. Not in a
bad way for the record, just we're gonna. I'm gonna
be there.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I've just been I don't really want to talk about it.
It's just it's just turned into something that I don't
think that it was ever meant to be, which is
the entire scope of ufology. It's just it's like, hey,
I know, like that's all people talk about AI. I like,
but anyway, well, what did you think about those statements
that I made about the Celtic religion and it being

(23:04):
a Celtic holiday. Was that pretty close to what you
have researched.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, it's quite accurate. I mean obviously people would you know,
someone who might know a little bit more so would say, well,
it's not exactly what it's all about, and yeah, you're right,
but writers pretty much on point as they say, that's
pretty accurate. I can't really, I can't really.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Tell you.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
I don't think anybody can really tell you for sure
where everything came from. But we have some pretty good ideas.
And our modern American Halloween largely came from the Irish
the mid eighteen hundred's largely. But by the time that
the Irish came here, most of the traditions that they
had English too, But most of the traditions the Irish had,

(23:51):
or Scots, but mostly Irish were already hundreds of years.
I want to say devolved, but I don't I think
that's the right word. We could actually just say evolved.
They were evolved maybe devolved from their original purpose, but
evolved into more modern versions.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
They'd already evolved.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
That was the point, because the Celtic peoples go back
to I think the only the only really old archaeological
site on record is about seven hundred BC. I think
that's the official one seven hundred BC official number, But
the Celtic culture goes back about fifteen hundred BC. Some

(24:31):
argue it goes back to three thousand BC. Either way,
it is hundreds and it is thousands ultimately of years
older than Christianity. And most of the ideas that the
Celtic peoples and the Druids in particular had in many

(24:52):
of their rituals and symbols are universal. They're universal in
every culture because they they all come from the natural
world around us. I mean, if you were to look
in the Scandinavian countries, for example, you have frost giants.
You don't have those. If you looked at like the
American Southwest Native tribes, they don't have frost giants because

(25:15):
they live in deserts. Other than things like that, pretty
much the same idea. As a matter of fact, you
find swastikas or swastikas or asia they call it the
mangi in China, but you find that actually in northern Europe,
and you find that also in the American Southwest because
if they call that the whirling log, I think that's Navajo,

(25:38):
but most native tribes have the same symbol. Medicine men
use it. It's a healing symbol. All of it represents
the actual physical sun, because the sun turns and moves
in the sky. I think in Germany they call it
sonan rod is that German for the sun wheel, And
that's basically a swastika that's more so turned into a circle,

(26:00):
or it's like a circle with a cross, and then
they kind of erase a little bit of the line,
so it looks like it's turning, which is why you
would see if you look at Egyptian iconography, for example,
there's two different examples of this of the sun moving.
You either have the sun with little feet and there's
a serpent, which is you could say creation, or there's

(26:21):
a serpent, which you could say is it's the darkness
that eats the sun every night and then during an
eclipse too, so there's usually a serpent around the sun,
and then the serpent has little feet and so Basically,
what's happening is it's walking. And this is a pretty
universal image too. You see this in Africa, you see
this in the Americas. As a matter of fact, I
think in the Mississippi Valley there's maybe descriptions or myths

(26:44):
that are similar to this. The Mississippi Valley region actually
has very similar and so does Central and South America.
Very similar underworld imagery to Africa. On top of that,
and mythology on top of that. That's a whole other show,
pretty fascinating, But the point is the serpent walks or
the sun walks. The other image is the most famous,

(27:07):
probably which we've talked about with eupology before. It's the
solar disk with wings and the sun flies or the
sun walks or runs or turns. It's all describing the
same thing. I think it's probably overstating the obvious to
give additional examples, but it's all talking about the same thing. However,

(27:28):
it's important to understand that there's a blending of different ideas,
so it's not just thus sun, which I think some
people who want to discredit religion intentionally or unintentionally will
rely heavily on the argument that it's just solar worship,
and it is to an extent, but it's also vegetation worship.

(27:52):
It's also sex worship, so phallic or yonic worship. And
for people that are very religious, I mean sixty percent
we can estimate of your audience is probably Christian. That's
about the average in the United States. Just look at
the cathedrals even just look at standard churches some of them,

(28:12):
but older churches. But you know, cathedrals all over Europe
have all this imagery you could pull. It's don't know,
I don't think it would be an appropriate on YouTube.
But there's certain symbols on churches you could look up
in Europe that are extremely explicit, like it's a woman
just holding her vagina open, and those are on churches.

(28:33):
The church itself, the Gothic cathedral is built like a womb.
I mean, if you look at Notre Dame, which means
our Lady. I know people will say, but that's Catholicism,
that's different than regular Christianity. Well not really, it's all
the same. All the Christian Renaissance art is Jesus coming
through this oval opening, this little vesica pisis opening, and

(28:56):
that in the as I was referencing the Mississippi Valley
cultures and Africa. That little the Sick of Pices is
known as the It's like a slit in the sky
as much as it is a as an actual you
know woman, It's a slit in the sky, which is
in Egypt nut it is a woman, so I guess

(29:16):
there's a there's a relationship to the woman as well
in the sky, the woman.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Of the sky.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
And you go through that little slit. It's in the
wrist of Orion, so Orion's belt, or they call it
the wrist of Orion, so it's not just the belt,
but the three stars that go it's like a like
a bracelet in the Americas. It's more so a belt
in Egypt. But right there in that belt is where
there's a slit, and you go through that slit, and
that's where the Milky Way is. That's where the River

(29:42):
of Souls are, That's where the Mississippi River would be.
That connects to the Milky Way in the sky. That's
where the Nile River connects to the Milky Way in
the sky. And there is a certain time of the
year when the spirits, the people that die cross over
into that other world, and that timeframe is roughly from
October November into March, which is the time frame of

(30:09):
our fall and our winter months. So when you read
about how the souls of the dead are resurrected in
the end times, well that's what's happening. The souls of
the dead are resurrected.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
In the end times.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
It's not the end times of the whole world in
a physical material sense, it's the end times of the year.
The dead are roaming the earth, they pass through that
slit in the sky and they go into the other world.
And in order to help the spirits so they don't
get trapped or caught or lost, you have candles lit.

(30:44):
You have fires that are burning to both warm and
to guide the souls so they don't get stuck in
a sort of purgatory state. And since that opening is
more easily accessible, and as you said, the veil is thinned,

(31:04):
then yes, things from the other side can cross over,
and they might be mischievous, they might not be. But
what those things ultimately represent, rather than looking at them
like some kind people say gargoyles and demons and they're fairies,
and like these are all totally different creatures, like gnomes
or earth spirits and fairies are. They're kind of a theory.

(31:29):
They're sort of interdimensional. They're sort of airy, sort of
like Sylphs in a way, which is the air spirit.
And that's totally different than the demon demons are. If
you know the name of the demon, you can control it.
If you know the name of the fairy, it's gonna
piss it off. You don't call fairies by their names.
You have to call them the good people or the
good neighbors. Totally different than demons, completely separate entities, but

(31:54):
what those ultimately, those things ultimately are in the same
way that a demon from the Greek aim on is.
Essentially it's you, and it's also disease. So we say
we exercise demons, but we also exorcise demons. You know,
the first diseases were largely thought to be caused by
spirit possession, and this is a pretty universal idea. So

(32:18):
one of the ways that you would get rid of unclean,
impure spirits is by playing music, performing some sort of exorcism,
which is not a not a strictly Catholic thing. The
samurai practiced exorcisms in Japan, so this is not a
strictly Catholic thing for the record, or a strictly religious
Christian thing. I mean, the Muslims exercised gin, so it's

(32:39):
a it's a pretty universal idea. The Celtic peoples did too,
They just had a different name for those demons or
those those evil spirits. But in the same way that
that that that that's what a demon is. A fairy
or these other creatures that might come from the other
side really are The best way I can explain it
is to think about it from the point of view

(33:00):
of someone who doesn't have central air, someone who doesn't
have access to a phone or the internet. You can't
go down to Giant Eagle or Kroger or Walmart. You
can't go to a restaurant and get food.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
They were living way different back then.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
You're living way different, right, So I mean, even if
you do, we all live in the modern world. Even
if you're kind of aware of this, Even if you
live in a nice house, I mean, the wind, if
you get a big storm that comes through, the wind
still might rattle your windows. If you live in an
old house, you get the creeks, you get the windows
rattling when the wind blows. You live in an old
house or something like that. That's really what these spirits are.

(33:40):
It's the wind, it's you know, the sound of the storm.
That's always been the nighttime rides, especially during Christmas time,
the nighttime rides of the gods and the goddesses, the
wild hunt. Usually it's hunting for a bore, because a
boar is the is the animal that represents the fall
of man into the winter in some parts of the

(34:01):
world that kills Attis, who's basically the solar savior. The
boar represents the fall into the winter, so they would
chase the boar down. And this, all of it is metaphoric.
All of it is allegoric. It's weird to me, Just
as a side note, it's weird to me that people
will read the Bible and read that Jesus says I'm

(34:22):
speaking in parables, this is not literal, and then people
interpret it as literal. It's like it is exclusively stated
that it's not to be interpreted literally, and neither are
the myths. And I heard, in fact, the same video
I played on my show where this woman referenced the

(34:42):
Anton Leavey clip. She had a little segment on myths
and said myths can't be trusted. They're just fake, false gods.
And again, it's so wild that it's twenty twenty five,
and it's not like Joseph Campbell ever existed. It's not
like Carl Jung never existed. I mean, these are two

(35:03):
the smartest guys, at least in modern history. The things
that are, you know what, respected enough that they're in
like even mainline college courses. You could even take this.
I mean, it's it's in pop culture. Campbell was the
was the inspiration for Star Wars, and yet we still
look at this stuff as literal or we dismiss it

(35:25):
as like you can't trust the myths.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Well, nobody says that.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Well, I don't think hopefully, they don't think that Thor
is a real god. He's just a symbolic representation of nature.
I mean, you know this, writer, and I think a
lot of your listeners know this, but it's a it's
a really frustrating thing when you're trying to explain to
people what you alluded to earlier. It's the fall of man.

(35:50):
Spirits are roaming free. That's the resurrection of the dead.
We know in Greek that apocalypse means the lifting of
the veil. That's the same veil you lift when you
get married. That's the same veil that Isis is covered with.
And interestingly, I experienced this firsthand. I've never seen anybody
else bring this up, so I thought I stumbled on

(36:11):
something pretty cool when I went to the said Jingu Shrine,
which is the main shrine of the Sun goddess in Japan,
their their prime primary deity. They have a white veil
guarding her inner sanctum. It's identical to the veil of
Isis because isis or ama tetusu is nature, and the

(36:32):
veil is what separates us from the from the spirit
world of the world that animates this physical reality. And
like the like the inscription of what they call the
static isis the You could look this up. Manly Hall
has a really good depiction of it in this book
The Secret Teachings of All Ages. But it's the static isis.

(36:52):
You look it up and it'll say it's a very
famous description, very famous depiction too. And it says, I
I am all that ever has been, ever will be,
or is all that what is exact quote, I am
everything that is, has been and ever will be. The
fruit that I've brought forth is the sun. And if
you look at the breasts of Isis, she has wheat

(37:16):
and grapes because her body and her blood or her
fluids are the redeeming things. Those redeeming things are what
we get from the bounty of nature. After nine months,
when the earth gives earth and we have this harvest
festival season and you have a last sepper before the

(37:39):
end of the year. The sign of the end times
are when the leaves start changing colors. The pale horse
that rides after the black horse is known as the
rider who brings death, and that death is the winter
cold dark. It snows a lot, so the sound gets
trapped and you don't really hear anything. You get like

(38:01):
an oz factor. Everything goes quiet. So nature is quite
literally dead. The earth is literally dead. And when that happens,
well that's the end of the world. But it's okay
because God comes back and saves us.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Right.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
He comes back in around Easter time, which is when
the Celts also celebrated the resurrection of their savior. They
also For anybody who has never heard this before, I'd
assume some of your listeners have probably heard me do
shows on this recently, so It might sound repetitive, but
it's really important to point out that the Celtic peoples

(38:40):
the truths. In particular, they believed in an omnipotent God.
They believed in a Madonna and child. They believed in
the power of the cross, and they made crosses out
of oak tree branches. They also believed in the power
of this. They believed in the power of the Trinity.

(39:03):
They believed in the power of salvation through being able
to be forgiven for us. They didn't call them sins,
but essentially be forgiven for their sins and then have salvation,
which is also linked to nature. So you have it's
more than just a singular spiritual thing of the self.
It's also linked to the external world. But they believed

(39:25):
also on top of that, in a heaven, a hell,
and a purgatory. Purgatory is that middle state where the
spirits are roaming. They believe in all those things. Thousand
years base minimum, if you're going to be super super
conservative about it, a thousand years before Christ. That doesn't
disprove Christ. This is a problem that we have. It

(39:50):
actually proves that what Jesus Christ, which is a title
the name would have been Yeshua and Christ is a
title that applies to anybody who's been anointed, including Egyptian,
the Messa of the Fat of the crocodile from the Nile,
the mess of the Messiah. What is happening is you
And Jesus says this all throughout the Bible. It's astounding.
It's in the Book of John, it's in the Book

(40:12):
of Matthew. I'll give you an example, when Jesus says
in the Book of Matthew, he's talking to the Pharisees.
I might have told you about this before. Writer, maybe
you've read this before. But when he's talking to the
Pharisees and they're charging him and accusing him of all
these horrible things, the high priest says to him, I
charge you under the oath by the Living God. Tell

(40:32):
us you are the Messiah, you are the Son of God.
And Jesus says to him in rejection of that statement, well,
you said that, but what I'm telling you is actually
the son of Man can sit at the right hand
of the Mighty One coming in the clouds of heaven.
In other words, you're accusing me of being the literal
son of God. I'm not the literal son of God.

(40:55):
This is actually confirmed several times in the Bible. It's
shocking considering that I grew up with the and nobody
bothered to point this out to me. What Jesus is
talking about is that this is an internal thing. And
the Book of Luke you read about how the Kingdom
of God is inside of you, right, the Kingdom of
Heaven is inside of you. We read something very similar
to this in the Book of John, the Book of

(41:15):
First John.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
We read this.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Additionally, I believe in the Book of Matthew where Jesus
separates the father from the son, the son is you.
It's the soul and the true soul what makes you you.
But the soul also in English would be in Latin,
would be the soul, as in the son as well.
So soul soul, and the seat of the son and
the body is the heart. So you allow Jesus to

(41:38):
come into your heart. Jesus was probably a real person,
and Jesus was probably disliked by very powerful people who
he preached against because he said, we don't need these institutions.
You don't need a place with a sanhedron to tell
you how to live your lives. And this is important

(41:59):
to understand because even though it might seem like it's
unrelated to Halloween, it's a very critical and crucial component
of Halloween. I don't want to ramble on too much.
I can explain why that is if you'd like, unless
you have questions.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Well, what you're talking about is really spot on with
the metaphors and allegories. I mean, I've been trying to
tell people that for so long. And even when you
look at like, you know, virgin, what does virgin mean?
Virgin just means that you're clean. That's all that it means.
So you can literally go take a shower and you're

(42:38):
technically a virgin.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Right, a baby's a virgin.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
But what you're saying makes a lot of sense. Well,
then when you look at like baptisms as well, Right,
you're clean and within the Holy spirit, right, your your
soul has been cleaned, right, it's the exact same thing.
It's it's what it means. That's what virgin means. It
doesn't mean that you've never had sex before. It just

(43:02):
means that you're clean. You're a clean vessel.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Right, Yes, Yet how many people.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Had access to showers back then? I mean or a
bath or where they probably went months and months and
months and months without bathing because they probably didn't have
access to be able to bathe. And that's another point
that you bring up too, is like if you were
just plunged into back, I don't know, a thousand years ago,

(43:31):
and you were just out in the elements all the time,
you would begin to worship the elements because if you're
in the dead of winter, everything's cold, the crops don't
grow and everything. And would it not cross your mind
at some point like what if this never ends? What

(43:51):
if the winner never ends?

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
And imagine having a year where the winter goes on
for another two or three weeks.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
You would be like, what the what is happening? What's
going on? Why is it lasting way longer? Is it
gonna last for ever? And then the scuttle butter around
the town will be, Oh, I've heard that this is
gonna this is the way it's gonna be like forever.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
I felt that one the first year I lived in Rochester,
New York, and it was like March, third week of March,
and it's still snowing, and I'm looking at the the
weather online and it says it's gonna snow again in April,
and then like we get to May first and it's
still cold.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
I mean, this is it was.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Like twenty twenty or something roughly that time, or maybe
twenty maybe it was early than that, twenty eighteen or something.
I was living there, But I mean that that terrified me.
And that's in the modern day. I hate the cold.
I can't imagine what it would be like living in
a world where you don't have any of these modern
things that we have.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
And then we kind of already lived under a veil already, Ryan, Like,
we're already we're we are in the veil right now.
We are in our home. We go to their grocery
store to get our food. We don't have to kill animal. Well,
I mean we do kill animals, but we personally don't
kill animals. We're not out there really hunting for our

(45:12):
food anymore. We're not scavenging, We're not going on and
getting berries to make it through the winter, you know
what I mean. We're not in that type of environment.
So we have that disconnect between the way that they
did things back then and the way that we do
things now. And then we're trying to interpret things that
were happening back then when we have no idea what

(45:35):
it was like back then, So we don't even understand
the context what was going on back then, because we
can't even put ourselves in that type of situation because
it's so far removed from us, because we have all
of these conveniences around us twenty four to seven. I mean,
we can get our groceries delivered to our house if
we want. We can sit down and put on a

(45:57):
streaming service and watch a brand new movie that's in
the theater. You can get our coffee delivered to us
in the morning if we wanted to. We have all
these luxuries, and they didn't have that back then, So
the way that they operated and the way that they
did things had to have been dramatically different.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
You would see the world in a totally different way.
I mean you can just see that today. I mean
that's why when you when you travel to certain countries,
not Europe, of course, but if you traveled to well,
if you came over here to Japan, I mean it's
there's a lot of a lot of things here that
are catering to Western eeras and people that speak English.
But you would definitely maybe not you, writer, but most

(46:42):
people would definitely have an absolute culture shock and might
not know how to really process what's going on. Not
that it's going to cripple you and you can't enjoy
your vacation, but you're probably going to have a couple
of moments during that vacation when you're looking around thinking
what is happening? I've never seen this, thought about this?
How do these people live this way? This is so,

(47:03):
this is better, this is weird, this is worse. Just
that kind of culture shock. And the reason for that
is because we all have different cultures, and you know,
over here they've been isolated compared to the rest of
the world for quite a long time. This modern development
over here is the last like what two hundred years
if that, and you see that in the modern world,

(47:26):
I can't imagine going back to one thousand and five
hundred BC. That's over three thousand plus years ago. It's
a completely different world. Even a hundred years ago is
a completely different world. You're right, that's a good point

(47:47):
to make, to make very very clear. I also wanted
to make an observation because I'm sure that correctly somebody
listening would be wondering since we're not making calls or
anything like that. Well, didn't the druids perform human sacrifices?
And the answer to that question is yeah, they did.

(48:09):
But what's the context of that. There's no context, just
a human sacrifice, okay, but there is actually context to it,
and I'll explain what the context is. The context is, Yes,
the Druids performed human sacrifices. One, they didn't do it
every day.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Two.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Many of the stories of the Druids performing human sacrifices
are a result of what foreigners wrote, largely Christian foreigners
who wanted to discredit and demean and degrade and justify
the replacement of the Driddic and the Celtic cultures. They're heathens.
We should be able to replace them with the word
of God. Also, the third thing is when they did

(48:53):
kill somebody, what they were doing was not just killing
a random person from a villain. They were usually killing
someone from another tribe who had committed a crime, or
someone who maybe had raped somebody or had stolen something.
They executed criminals. And if anybody thinks that that is horrific,

(49:14):
I point you to what the current Trump administration or
what the previous Obama administration did with drones. People are
literally on social media being like, yeah, blow up those
drug boats. And I'm not going to even give my
opinion on it. I'm just saying, you're like, blow up
those drug boats. And then the next post is Halloween's
a pagan holiday of people that killed people. I don't

(49:38):
really see how in if you fast forwarded thirty five
hundred years from now rider and for whatever the reason was,
we had one fragment of history from today and we
just heard that this country called the former United States
had a leader that would just blow up people's boats
in the ocean as a human sacrifice, you might interpret

(49:59):
it that way, And we have no context, we have
no ability to really put ourselves into those positions to
understand what was going on. But we do understand, we
do know, we can understand that there's more to it
than just human sacrifice. Yeah, but they were also criminals,
and also they did it like once a year, and

(50:20):
also that was a very short term practice. It was
largely from an early point onward that they sacrificed animals
or flowers or fruits or vegetables, which is a universal
thing that Mayans did too, and many of those stories
are a result, and there's documents of this. There's plenty

(50:41):
of writers. Could I could pull references later if you
want to see them. I think I have them in
my Occult ar Canna book too. There's one reference to how, yeah,
the Druids definitely killed people, like they perform you in sacrifices,
but how many do they actually perform? Because most of
those accounts are coming from monks. Most of those accounts
are coming from people that just looked at the druids

(51:01):
and were like, wait a minute, holding a second, they
also have a cross. They also have a son of God.
Holding a second. Their God also had an earthly mother
who gave a virgin birth or had a virgin birth,
and his father was the father, the divine, because that's
what the Celts believe. Their savior had a divine father

(51:22):
and an earthly mother. And they looked around and were like, well,
this is really similar to ours. So if we're going
to replace this with Christianity, we have to justify it.
And how do you justify it? The same way the
military justifies killing people in any conflict. They're barbarians, they're rapists,
they're killing babies. So that justifies it in people's minds. Well,
we can kill them. It's okay to replace the Druids

(51:43):
because they were killing people and their sacrifices, and our
religion doesn't do that.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
We're better.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
And then we just come in and rebrand the entire thing,
take all of their belief systems, and then make them
there our own.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Right, Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
I mean I look at it like, if the Druids,
let me get make sure I got my references correct.
If the Druids were what's the name of the company
in that movie Tommy Boy that his dad ran, If
the Druids were that and Dan Aykroyd were the Christians
and Callahan Autoparts, they would just want the brand so

(52:18):
they they could just repackage it. That's basically what they did.
They just repackaged it. And that's not an insult or
rejection of Christianity, because every religion does that. Christianity also
rebranded part of Judaism. Islam rebranded Christianity in some ways,
and most of them. This is another weird thing.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Writer.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
We don't need to get into the details necessarily, but
it's weird to me. I don't know if it's like
a Christian thing or if it's like an Israeli thing
or what it is. But thinking that like the Abrahamic
faiths are the only or the first religions, and thinking
like the Ten Commandments are the first of all, the

(53:00):
only commandments, but second of all, the first ten commandments,
like the Abrahamic faiths compared to like Vedic history are
really really young, like the Vedic tradition, the Hindus, they
go back ten plus thousand years.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
They make abraham Hinduism is the oldest religion.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
In some forms. I think, yeah, that, and you know
the branches that came out of it. Yeah, they're the
oldest religion by far. I mean, it depends on how
to find religion. Shamanism is like probably the onset of
religion tens thirty forty fifty thousand years ago.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Might be older than that.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
I don't know for sure, but yeah, it's weird that
we think, well, the Abrahamic faiths they're the first, and
the Ten Commandments are the first, like not at all.
In fact, even just a few hundred years before the
Ten Commandments, you had the Code of Hammurabbi, which was
also based on an older code in in ancient Sumer.

(54:03):
So the Ten Commandments are not a unique thing. They're
not even a quote, you know, Jewish thing or a
Moses thing. I mean they are those things, but they're
also much older. And it's not that that discredits them.
It doesn't mean like, well, it's because there's there's an
older one. So that means I should not I should
you know, I should not follow the Ten Commandments. I

(54:24):
should go kill and still and bear false witness because
there's an older version like that doesn't who thinks like that?
I don't know why people react like that. It just
it means that you should still follow them, but there's
an older version, and the people that hold onto these
ten commandments you should just know that that's not the
first version.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
It's like if you bought a car and then another
version of the car comes out next year, and then
there were like ten versions that the year's previous new
versions of the car, and people like, I've got the
newest car, like, but they there's like a ninety seven model.
Now I've got the newest one in two thousand and
you know eleven.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
It just doesn't it does make it.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
It's weird to me. I just it's something I've observed.
It's very strange. I don't understand much.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
It's almost like they won an excuse.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
To be good, an excuse to be good, like an excuse.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
To be good, right, Like, Oh, well, if we didn't
have Christianity, we didn't have these things commandments, if we
didn't have the Bible, then everything would just be crazy.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Everything would just be yeah, Arcadie, like.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
I would just be doing If there's no meaning to
this reality and there's no meaning to existence and Jesus
wasn't real, then then I would just go and do
whatever I want.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Yeah. There, Well, there's definitely a little bit of that.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
That shit doesn't make any sense, bro.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
So I have two comments. I have two comments on that.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
For first of all, I saw this really funny comedian.
She's a Japanese comedian and it is because I guess
where I am. It popped up on my feed. She
speaks English and she does a US tour two and
she was saying because she's married to an American guy.
She was saying that. She said that her father in law,
so her husband's dad. Her father in law asked her,

(56:01):
you know you come from Japan, how do you guys
know not to steal and kill each other. Well, how
do you have such low crime rates if you don't
have the Bible? And she's like I looked at him.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
It was like.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
She's like, I started thinking to myself, it would be
really dangerous if you know, my father in law couldn't
find his Bible because that's the only thing stopping him
from killing somebody. Just kind of maybe think of what
you're saying there. It's it's totally it's totally true, like you,
It's it's really crazy that yet that people have been
conditioned to think. And I'm not I'm not rejecting the Bible.

(56:40):
I'm just saying, if, if is that really the only
thing holding people back from mass murder and drug use
and raping people.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
I mean, I guess they.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Make it seem like, they make it seem like that
that is the only thing that's keeping them good, which
is just asinine. Bro. It's like, it's so ridiculous, and
I really don't understand that logic.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
I have it. I think I have an answer, if
I may, please.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Try and explain it and the best way that you can,
because I'm kind of I don't even know how to
explain it.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
But yes, please, I don't think this is the answer.
I think it's maybe an answer, and it goes a
little bit like this, the collect my, my laughter, my
thoughts here, I'm trying to be trying to be serious.
I think it has to do with the fact that
when Christianity first began to blossom and develop, and it's

(57:39):
it's it's essentially growing out of Judaism, right, It's an
extension of Judaism people that follow Christ, and Christ made
it so we don't need to sacrifice animals anymore, which
the Jews still to this day do because they don't
recognize Jesus. There are Messianic Jews, but for the most part,

(57:59):
they even recently during Yam Kapor, they were still talking about,
you know, they sacrifice animals preparing for the red heifer too.
But Jesus said, you don't have to do that anymore.
You don't have to, you know, have the blood rituals
or any of that used water. So the Christians replaced
blood with water. They adapted many of the Jewish traditions
and beliefs and transformed them into something else. But in

(58:22):
the early days of Christianity, one of the biggest differences
between Judaism and Christianity is exactly what Jesus was talking
about in the Book of Matthew, where Jesus says, we
don't need you anymore. We can find salvation in ourselves.
We don't need the Pharisees anymore, which is why they
demanded his head and the Romans obliged. And that's a

(58:45):
whole another thing we could talk about if you're interested.
But the point is the main difference was that the
Jewish leadership said you have to follow us to obtain salvation.
Jesus said, that's bs. You don't have to followed the
leadership of these people or any other people. You just
have to follow in my footsteps. My footsteps are It's

(59:07):
an internal transformative process. It's realizing you don't need an institution,
you don't need the Sanhedrin. You can be saved by
recognizing the true eternal self, the soul, the spirit, et cetera.
In a nutshell, that's what it is. So in other words,
to put it really simple, the Jewish leadership said, you
can only be saved through us, and by the way,

(59:29):
if you're not Jewish, get out. So nobody else has
salvation except us. We're chosen, We're unique. The Christians, on
the other hand, said you can be saved even if
you're not Jewish, and some Jews converted to Christianity because
of that. But early Christians said, you can be saved
no matter what you've done. And that's a good thing,

(59:54):
but it's also not a great thing because what kind
of people ran to that cult. Murderers or the worst
of the worst, who are like, wait a minute, I
can just rape and kill and still and then you'll
like wave something over my head or like touch me
and I'll be healed and I can just do it again. Granted,

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I'm sure there were super small numbers of people who
thought that way. I'm just explaining it in kind of
a humorous, you know tone, But that is who the
church initially, or not even the church. That's who the
early Christians attracted. And in the same way that there
are people today who might have done something horrible, maybe
they killed somebody, cold blooded murder, and then later they

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find Jesus in prison, and then they get out of prison.
They're coven in tattoos, but they you know, they've got
they look like a gangster. But now suddenly they were
across and they dressed nice and they go to church
and they look like they used to be a bad ass,
but now they're they're the children of God. And that's
what was happening then too. But because so many bad
people were attracted to Christianity due to that fact, I

(01:01:00):
don't know if this is the reason, but it might
be why the later but the early church fathers started
to sort of remold that idea so that Christianity became
more like Judaism. So instead of the Jewish leader saying,
you can't be saved unless you're one of us. If

(01:01:20):
you're not one of us, get out, we condemn you
your cattle, and the Christians initially saying, well, anybody can
be saved, which is a good thing, but that attracted
a lot of really bad people who might not have
wanted to actually be saved. Might have meant they had
a consciousness, but they didn't necessarily want to be permanently saved.
What happened with the early church fathers they said, well,

(01:01:41):
and then the much later church, or rather I should
say the more recent church, they said, well, you know,
how about this, If you don't convert to Christianity, we'll
kill you yeah, the Muslims did the same thing. But
it's basically a transformation. It's a weird transformation of like,
you have to be one of us to get salvation.

(01:02:03):
Jesus says that's not true. You can be a Christian.
He didn't say that, but that's the idea of right,
you can be a Christian. It could be separate and
we accept Jews too. That's great, want to convert. And
then later it was like, well, you don't have to convert,
but if you don't, not only are you not going
to be saved, we'll kill you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
So that that might.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Be just that little piece of history, and it's a
small piece of history admittedly, but that might explain away
a little bit about what we're talking about here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Bro, if your religion is the only thing that's keeping
you civilized and keeping you from murdering people and raping
people and stealing, like, you need to go home and
rethink your entire life. Bro, you're not a good person.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're totally right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
And that's you know, I've had Unfortunately, I've known a
lot of not unfortunately it's unfortunate they were in these situations,
but unfortunately I've known people throughout my life. Mostly women
that are married to guys. Usually it's guys, they're usually well,
I don't mean that in a homosexual way. I'm just
saying it's usually women that they are married to these
types of guys. As I'm trying to preface my thoughts here,

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it's usually women married to these types of guys who
are quote Christian, but they're like cheaters and wife beaters,
but since they're Christian, it's like all is forgiven after
they you know, rape their wife or after they beat
their kids or something. And there's a lot of that
in fundamentalist type churches because that's the kind of person.

(01:03:39):
I think Christians need to recognize. This, that's the kind
of person that's attracted to the cult. It's it's it's
you know, vulnerable people that are you know, like a
traditionalist Christian conservative type of girl. You know, the woman
that wears the dress and maybe he's quiet and maybe
wants to take care of the household, and who's going
to be attracted to someone who is essentially prey a predator.

(01:04:03):
And then when you just dismiss it as ah, you know,
he's a Christian, So it's okay. I mean that's essentially
what was happening in the early days of the spread
of Christianity. That's not an exclusive thing. I'm just saying,
it's not like a even a general thing. I'm just
saying that there's there's certainly a little bit of that today,
and there's definitely a lot of that historically, and they just,

(01:04:28):
I guess, hide behind the Bible in that way. Right,
It's like, well, I did do those bad things, but
I mean, I'm a Christian, so don't you forgive me.
That's like a psychopath and there's a ton of that
in Christianity, and it's the same it's the same psychosis
that you find in Judaism. Not all Jews are like that,
but I mean, I've grown up in my life and

(01:04:51):
had three or four different experiences with people that were
Jewish where they're the most self centered, egotistic, totally psychotic,
homicidal man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
He acts that. It's like a.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
TV character or a movie character, just simply because like
this guy, my film school class used to tell us
all the time, you want to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Go out to lunch, Well I'm Jewish. Well do you
want to go to it has to be kosher?

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Well no, no, no, I'm just I'm just Jewish, Like, why
do you have to tell me that every day?

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
I don't care, do you want to have lunch or not?
That kind of weird thing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
And there's a lot of that in Christianity too, and
I'm sure there's a lot of that in Islam too.
It's it's cult like thinking and it's very very bizarre
to me. But I'll ramble on and on, so please
stop me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Well, that's the thing is that you don't need someone
telling you what to do in order to be a
good person. Like that's what Neo Drifter was just kind
of referencing. There was like, yeah, religious book wants someone
to tell them what they're doing wrong. How about you
be accountable for yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Right, That's what Jesus was teaching, precisely was teaching.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
That's exactly what Jesus was teaching. And should we should
Christians not strive to be more like Jesus. But that's
a whole other story. But you should be a good
person regardless of your religious affiliation, regardless if you go
to church on Sunday, Wednesday, every single holiday. It should

(01:06:13):
not matter. Now if you are a Christian, good for you.
That's great. I got nothing against you. I have no
problems with you at all. If your religion makes you
a better person.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
That's right. That's the bottom line.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I'm giving you a thumbs up. You are a okay
in my book. But if the only reason that you're
a Christian is so that you don't murder and rape
and steal, like, that's a whole other story. You should
be a good person just because you want to be

(01:06:50):
a good person. That's the bottom line. I mean, that's
the bottom line.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Bob, that's the bottom line. I think with any it
doesn't matter what the subject is. I see somebody in
the chat said that you see that in veganism too.
It's like, yeah, you also see that in carnivorism. You
see that in any group, mentality, any group, I think, ideology,
or any you know group, think zelotry, you find that

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same thing. It's it's a human thing, is ultimately.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
What it is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
I'll tell you I I have I don't subscribe to
things per se, but I like spending more time around
Buddhist institutions. You you, there's definitely a lot of places
I've gone that are that are you know, big Buddhist
temples and it's weird to watch like like a monk,

(01:07:44):
you know, walk out of the temple and get into
a like a sixty thousand dollars sports car.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Clearly there's something wrong there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
There's like where a freaking Rolex watch and a cross
from out a freaking yeah or whatever. Bro is all blinded.
He's got a freaking Apple watch on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
I went.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
I went to one in Kio. There's a Kyoto. There's
a Kyoto. No, No, it was South Tokyo. I went
to one in South Tokyo.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
I forget the name of the temple. There's so many
of them. And I swear that there was like a Mercedes,
a BMW and one of those range rovers that are
like eighty grand And I was thinking, like that's I'm
pretty sure that's I mean, I don't It depends on
I guess what perception of Buddhist teachings that you you adopt.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
But I don't think that's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Really I don't know if that's really the acceptable in Buddhism.
I guess you can interpret it any way you want.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
But hey, Bro, they want their nut. Bro, they want
their nut and they want to eat it, dude, And hey,
they got their nut. If that's what, If that's what
makes them happy, then that's what makes them happy. But
I mean the same way with Christianity too. I mean
the mega churches, I mean the Joelsings, all of those
types of driving around and stretch limos. You know, have

(01:09:05):
mega churches and the televangelists, which they're not that popular anymore,
but I mean that's pretty much what they What was
that one guy that was really a popular preacher before.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Ellie Graham a son, It was the guy that was like,
that's the level that guy. I forget what his name is,
but I forget.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
I think that it seems like in every type of religion.
But I've met those Buddhist monks before too, where actually
seeing a few of them in a mall. They were like, all,
you know, with the Buddhist monk, what is the ceremony,
it's not a ceremonial. That's what they wear. What is

(01:09:50):
it called the cheese or whatever that that it's called.
And they had like roll axes on, and I'm like,
they have.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
You just have prayer beads that are very similar to
the Christian or the Catholic rosary too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Actually I have this is from a Buddhist temple. I
have listener's audio form. Can't see this obviously, but this
goes back to our Halloween show. I got this. I
don't know if you can see that, you probably hear it.
I have this little gold I did a whole show
on this object. Some of your listeners probably watched that
show on YouTube. I'm not trying to hypnotize you. I'm

(01:10:28):
just showing you this because if you look at it
real closely, you can see that there's eight points, and
those eight points relate to the eight parts of the
wheel of the year that turns. So those are the
solstices and the equinoxes and the midpoints between them. So
we are coming around full circle now that it is

(01:10:50):
the fall. And I got that at Ingyoji Temple in Himiji, Japan.
It's actually where they filmed a part of the Last
Samurai movie. It's on top of this big mountain called
Mount Shosha. I think it's Mount Shosha, and it's interesting.
It's like fifteen hundred years plus old something like that.
I think there's some segments of the place that go

(01:11:12):
back to the time of Christ and you go up
to this we have to take like a bus or
at cab and then you take a cable car and
then you walk it's way up there. And I just tho,
that was interesting because I was walking around and went
to the furthest part on the mountain, the furthest part
of the temple that I had not been to the
first time I went, and I was reading about how

(01:11:32):
the temple was founded, and I had not read this before,
and I just thought it was so interesting because it
describes two brothers or two beans, very similar to like
Castor and Pollox of the Roman city of Rome was
founded by these two brothers. It probably relates to the
constellations the twins, and they they have a festival in

(01:11:55):
the winter on top of this mountain. They also have
it in Hiroshima as well, at the its Kashima Shrine.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
They have this festival.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Of the point is these two characters, one is green,
one is red, and they have a festival where they
use pine trees, they light pine trees on fire, or
they have pine tree branches, and they have this festival
in the dead of winter. And I thought red and

(01:12:24):
green pine trees and like the turn of the year.
That sounds eerily similar to what we call Christmas traditions.
It's because it's the same symbolism. It doesn't matter if
it's on top of a mountain in Himeji, Japan, or
it's down in the water at its Kashima in Hiroshima,

(01:12:46):
or it's across the world on the other side of
the planet like that in the middle of the winter.
If there's anything that is still green, that becomes a
symbol of veneration and it's pine, you know, it's one
of those symbols, or those little red berries one of
those symbols. So red and green. Plus you know, green

(01:13:09):
is also the green man, so there's a spirit of
those crops which are also little green men, which are
you know, the aliens are the spirits of the fairies
in one way. And then you have you know, all
the other elements as well. You have the red, which
is like the birthing of the new sun, the birthing,
you know, the blood. Just it doesn't The point is,
it doesn't matter where you look in the world, you

(01:13:30):
find the same imagery. You find the same symbols. Because
we're all human and we all see the world in
a very similar way. We just call it different things,
different names. Just it's but it's all pretty much the same.
That's kind of become my slogan. It's like it's it's
it's all pretty much the same. It's all coming from
the same place. It's it's the human that's where it's

(01:13:52):
coming from.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Yeah. And if we're we are all God, Like the
Bible pretty much says that we are all God. You know,
the Kingdom of Heaven is within, the Temple of God
is between your behind your eyes in front of your
yours the h what is should I just lost my
train of thought.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
About the Temple of God or about the nature of
the God self or.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
I have no idea. I don't remember, but I did
want to talk about divination. I'll probably remember here soon.
What uh? How is divination connected with Halloween and some
of the order Celtic holiday of Halloween?

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Yes, is divination is the primary focus of a community
on Halloween traditionally, because we talked about the winter and
the cold and the dark and snow and is this
going to end?

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
And so one way that made people feel better and
gave them hope was to perform acts of divination. Now
I understand that from certain perspectives. That word needs to
be defined because most people assume that it means some
sort of quote witchcraft or evil or its demonic and whatnot.

(01:15:22):
But the definition of divination, to at least the Celtic people's,
based on the traditions, was primarily focused on marriage, but
it was also focused on, you know, making sure that
the sun came back in the trees, you know, and
the plants and all that bloomed once again. So anyway,

(01:15:42):
the point is divination was central because you've got a
very very cold, dark time of the year. Divination was
central because the new year is starting on November first,
so hopefully we can start off on a good foot,
we can get up on the right side of bed,
can have our new year's resolution. Divination was kind of

(01:16:03):
like a new year's resolution, and one of the central focuses,
I mean, you find this again in any part of
the world. One of the central focuses for women was marriage.
You wanted to get married. So whether a woman sat
in front of a mirror, brushed her hair and hope

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that her future husband would appear in the in the
reflection behind her it's an apparition, or whether people pulled
cabbages or leaks. The leaks were Scotland. Cabbages were more Ireland.
I'm sure the Scots did it too, but they pulled
kale as well. And it's kind of like pulling straws.

(01:16:46):
I don't know if whoever had the longest or shortest
how that worked, but you know, pulling this was like
pulling lots if you're already worried.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
So fun. Like, I don't understand why we don't really
have anything like that as a tradition and as a whole.
I mean we kind of do.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
I mean the apple bobbing not for the same reason, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
But we don't do that anymore. That was kind of
more of a thing when we were kind of growing up,
was like apple bobbing, like during Halloween. It was a
big thing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Also like back in the day too, when we would
use you know, rose petals or whatever not.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Rose wedding, we throw the bouquet back. Some some people
still do.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
That, that's true. We still kind of do that, but
I mean we don't really have any thing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
That's because I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
I guess if I'm going a tank, flipping a coin
into a a fountain or whatever at the mall, or
into the water or whatever. Is divination too, right, because
you're like asking for like a wish.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
It's a I think it's a little bit different than that,
but it's still It depends on how you view it,
because if you really believe, I don't think anybody who
puts a coin in a fountain at a at a mall,
I remember when I used to do as a kid too.
I don't think anybody actually believes that the wish is
going to come true. It's just kind of a little
fun ritual thing that you do. Maybe subconsciously people think

(01:18:11):
it's going to be true. So that's like hoping something happens.
If you're practicing divination, that's more that's more of a yeah,
there's a hope there for sure, but that's more of
a trying to get some information about, like if you're
looking in the mirror, getting some information about what you're
your a potential husband might look like, or like with

(01:18:35):
throwing the bouquet of flowers, apple bobbing, whoever can bite
the apple will will be the next to get married,
or pulling cabbage or whatever. The nuts were very popular,
especially for men. You'd have like a nut, you know,
with I don't know Sarah, and a nut that has
the name, you know, Cindy, and then you throw those
in the fire and if the one that says Sarah

(01:18:57):
pops out, he's not the one for you. Little things
like that, a lot of them are just games. So
it's interesting that you bring the thing up about the fountain,
because that's kind of like a modern divinatory, superstitious game.
But if you're living in a time when things are
very dark and cold and you're exposed to the elements
more directly, it probably.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Wasn't so much of a game.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
But also because so many young people, young women's, you know,
in particular young women, were doin it, there is a
game element to it, and games are part of all
of the festivals and all the traditions we have even today.
People families get together play games around Christmas time and
stuff like that. So it's kind of a mix of like, yeah,
like a wishing well a game. And I'm sure some

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people actually believed it in the same way that a
lot of people might think that I practice divination. He's
the occult guy. I don't practice divination. I thought about
using the Ouija board, and that's not even always divination.
But I thought about using that for Halloween. Haven't used
it for years, Probably won't though.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Have you ever heard have you never done that? Though?
Where like I did this a lot when I was
a kid, which you're bringing this back into the forefront
of my memory when we're talking about this. I would
do like little things like it could be like something
really stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
What you're going to say, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Would no, but I would be like I would like,
I don't have a crumpled up piece of paper or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
And then I would tell me the trash can.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Then something is going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
Everybody does, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
I swear almost every time that I would hit it
like the thing that I wanted would normally happen. Bro.
Now then I'm like thinking back at it, how many
how many other people have done that? Let us know
in the chat if you ever it didn't even have
to be like a trash can thing. It could have
been like whatever you could have been playing with, like
darts or like playing with your action figures. If I

(01:20:52):
make this figure fall from the top of the TV
and it lands perfectly on this little thing and he
pops back up on his feet, then my bud, my
friend is going to be able to stay the night there,
you know what I mean, Like, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Stupid thing if I make this green light, Yeah I
do that absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Yeah, it's kind of a form of it, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
And I mean, I know, having grown up a Baptist,
it was very popular.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
I don't know if this is a Baptist thing. I don't.
I really don't think it is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Maybe it is, but I when I was, you know,
in when I was a kid and I was growing
around those people, it was really common for you know,
people to open their Bibles and then just close their
eyes and say, all right, God, show me what you
want me to know, and then just put their finger
on something. I mean, that's the definition of bibliomancy. You're

(01:21:44):
not looking for something, You're just like opening your Bible
randomly touching something. This is what God wants me to know.
That's practicing the same thing. And and and you know,
I don't even entertain anymore the argument. I don't can
consider it an argument at all. I just completely rejected

(01:22:04):
outright when someone says to me, well, that's because you
know the reason that's okay is because we're praying to
the One True God and all the other ones are evil.
I just don't even listen to that anymore because that
is a circular argument that people will have with you.
It's not actually an argument. It's just delusional and it's very,

(01:22:29):
very silly to argue something like that. I know that's
what people would argue. But if you put your hand
in the Bible and say, what does God want me
to know, that's a very similar thing to what we're discussing.
But again, all these things is like divination. There's game playing.
There's a lot of different definitions, but pretty much the
same thing. But you're using a Bible and there's no

(01:22:50):
difference between. Think about this. I've used this example about
the Bible before. What is your average Bible? Unless you
have like an old one that's bound in leather, and
if you have a leather case, take it out of
the leather case. What is the Bible? It is paper,
maybe some cardboard and ink.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
And if you have little tabs that tell you what
books plastic, that's it. And what is a wija board?
Alija board is cardboard, ink, paper with some glue and plastic.
They're just materials. It's a matter of what you do
with them. Which is another weird thing and another like
double standard where you have like Christian conservative people that say, listen,

(01:23:32):
guns don't kill people, really bad people and democrats and
people on drugs kill people, and guns are just objects.
You have to operate them if you're going to kill somebody.
And then they're like, no, the wijiaboard's evil. Well, it's
just an object. It's the same thing with the gun argument.
It's just an object. Like I can this is an object.
This is a keyboard. This is a wijiboard. You can
use this as a wija board. This little keyboard they have,

(01:23:54):
you can put your hands on it and just tell
the spirits to tell you what you can. That's called
automatic writing. You could use a wisia board. You can
use a pen Are we supposed to get rid of
pins and pencils?

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Are we supposed to get That's like the I wish
I was a comedian and could like write these things
as like jokes and get the timing down because there's
so many good there's so many good lines here, because
you've got so many double standards, where again, like the
gun argument, and I could use the keyboard of the
Ouija board as an example, where you've got something that

(01:24:27):
is just a tool. That's all that it is, and
it's a choice. Do I use it to type out
a message to my friends? Do I write a letter
to a loved one? Do I, you know, post something
on social media? Or do I use this to go
to a website to learn how to make bombs? Or
do I use this to go and look at pornography.

(01:24:48):
It's the same thing. It's a tool, and it's how
you choose to use it. That's the only difference. In fact,
if you read I think it's the book of John
John five nineteen. I was just reading this last night.
As a matter of fact, Jesus says, this is a
quote for Jesus. It's an ink read ink. The son

(01:25:11):
can do nothing by himself. He can only do what
he sees his father doing. Because whatever the father does,
the son also does. What does that mean, Well, one,
it's literally a child. A child will do what they
see their father or their mother doing. But it's also
a symbolic description. It's a parable. It's describing how the

(01:25:31):
son or the soul. You can't do anything yourself, but
the father, the brain, or if not the brain, you know,
consciousness whatever term you'd like to apply to it. When
you tap into that, that's when the son or that's
when the body can start to do things. And that's

(01:25:52):
when it becomes a choice to use this keyboard to
you know, look up Bible verses, or use it to
look up how to you know, make a bomb. It's all.
That's what free will is. That's the choice that you have,
and the choice that you make is what determines whether
it's you know, moral or a moral not. The device

(01:26:14):
itself probably overstated the obvious, but.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
No, I agree, And uh, you know, I've never maybe
I have the thing. I have played with a Wigi
board one time, like a homemade Oigi board. I think
we wrote everything on the back of a pizza box
or some shit like way back in the day. But

(01:26:44):
I guess to wrap it up, like, I think we've
talked about some paranormal experiences before in the past on
the show, But you personally believe in paran paranormal and
like ghosts and spirits and if you do, like, what

(01:27:05):
do you believe that they are? Do you think that
they're human spirits? Do you believe that they're trapped in
another realm and they need to cross over or do
you think that it's they're on like some kind of
looping loop track or that is energy and they're trying

(01:27:26):
to relive some sort of past event, Like what do
you what do you think is going on?

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
That idea of trying to finish your your unfinished business
or work that I found that that's actually a universal
idea as well, so it's not confined to like paranormal
discussions in the West or in the United States. That's
a pretty universal thing over here in Japan. That's also
considered what a ghost want want not the only thing,

(01:27:55):
but one thing that a ghost is supposed to be doing.
But person you're asking personally like what I personally think? Yeah,
what what I personally think is this is how my
mind works. So it might not be the answer that
that that you want, but analytically is what I think.

(01:28:16):
So when I look at like a ghost, I think
from the from the symbolic to the scientific, what is
a ghost?

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
You think about the cold air, You think about feeling
like somebody's watching you, you feel you know, these different things,
and there's this there's a scientific term for that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
We can describe why the air is cold or why you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Might feel as if someone's looking at you, kind of
like that instinct when people would walk into a you know,
a room and you everybody turns and looks. There's like
an instinctual thing there might be a threat there. So
there's there's a scientific explanation, and then there's like a
symbolic or you know, a very baseline explanation where you've
got you're out in the elements and winds blowing and

(01:28:59):
it's cold, and maybe there's a predator looking at you,
and you feel like there's a will of the wisp
or some kind of ghost. You know, you're in a
place that's essentially dead, and you know, you go to
like a place that doesn't have an abandoned hospital I
don't know, or abandoned house or whatever, like a haunted

(01:29:19):
type location, naturally haunted because there's nobody living there. So
it's not that place of the living, it's the place
of the dead. So if there's nobody living, there's just
the dead, well, what are the dead? Well, it might
be there's no body, there's probably a spirit roaming around
a lot. I mean, some of that might have some
of that might have influenced the perceptions that Christians have

(01:29:40):
the Holy Spirit. Even though the Holy Spirit is not
really a ghost or the holy ghost that Catholics call it.
It's more so the feminine part of you, which is
really so the spirit. Like I guess you could say
the brain is the father, the son is the soul
in the body, and then the movement of that's soul
is the Holy ghost or that's the motivating force. So

(01:30:06):
I think a ghost is from a personal perspective, I
think ghost is a lot of things, and I think
that much like a ghost, I'll give you a better
example that I'm much more qualified to speak on from
a personal perspective too, is like the vampire. So I
did a whole show on vampires recently, and just like

(01:30:27):
a ghost, vampires have so many different meanings and different forms.
But there's a scientific explanation for the vampire porphyria, which
is a rare genetic condition where you have red stained
teeth and your skin is very pale because you're sensitive
to sunlight or really any light.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
And this.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Genetic condition is also passed down through families very directly.
So if you look at the stories in Romania, the
Strigoi one sect of Strogoi, which are vampires, they feed
only on their own family. So probably logically whatever the
vampire is is feeding its own family. And this genetic

(01:31:15):
vampire disease, it's actually a scientific, you know, medically recognized
genetic disorder. It passes down through family, so it kind
of people are feeding on their family and passing down
this genetic condition. That's probably where that comes from. But
then if you look at the Chinese version of the vampire,
it doesn't drink blood. Instead, it directly sucks your chi.

(01:31:40):
But then if you look back at the Romanian version
or the other versions around the world, the reason that
it's sucking your blood in those stories is because in
your blood is the life force, which is also talked
about in the Bible. So like the Romanian vampires are
sucking blood only to get your life force, the Chinese

(01:32:00):
vampire is just directly sucking the life force and not
even bothering with the blood. It's like cutting out the middleman.
And so basically what we're talking about, I think in
the case of the Chinese vampire is what you have
in New Age lore or New Age terminology, and that
is like the energy vampire. Quite literally, that's what the

(01:32:20):
Chinese vampires it's like an energy vampire. So there's different
types of vampires, and the same way there's different types
of ghosts. And there's a very scientific and logical explanation
and then there's a more supernatural explanation. And most of
the time, I shouldn't say some of the time. Most
of the time they're really one and the same, because

(01:32:40):
it means that, yeah, vampires do have pale skin. It's
probably because of porphyria. It might also be because they
you know, maybe you're a person that drinks blood. There
are some weird people today that do that kind of
stuff and they don't have a genetic disorder, but they

(01:33:01):
don't they just like maybe they're one of the like
that Gothic couple from Portlandia. They just don't go out
in the sun, so they have got really pale skin.
And there's probably people like that historically that had no
genetic disorder. They don't actually need to drink blood, but
they maybe they drank the blood of an animal or
maybe and they just chose not to go outside in

(01:33:21):
the sun. And that started a legend, and that built
on another legend, and there's there's always layers and layers
and layers and layers and layers to these things. Ultimately, though,
we can say that a ghost is real and the
vampire is real. It's just a matter of how you
choose to define these things. And and funny enough, I
think that you know, you and I as people are

(01:33:45):
a great example of this because over here in Japan,
I'm like six', One i'm several inches taller than the average.
Male so over, Here i'm to a lot of people borderline.
Giant but if you came over, here you're much taller than,
me you would quite literally be a. Giant in the

(01:34:06):
old the way that people used to define, giants which
Across europe were people that were like seven foot, tall you,
know like even six foot six would have been a.
Giant and that's just like your STANDARD nba. Player look
at that guy that plays for this for The. Spurs
he's like seven to two seven, three and they said
he's still. Growing he's a literal. Giant is that the

(01:34:28):
same as like a twenty five foot tall. Giant, no
it's a matter of. Perspective you, know you could you
could also be five foot one and go visit the
pygmies In, africa and you're still a giant to. Them
it's it's, perspective and it's, also you, know a cultural
thing as much as it is a personal. Perspective and

(01:34:51):
so it, DOESN'T i, know it. Doesn't it's funny because
for some people that's not the, answer or that's not
the description they, want but it also confirms the answer
that they're trying to get, at and that answer is it's,
yeah ghosts are, real vampires are, real monsters are, Real
giants are. Real but how do you define? It and
that will determine how physically real it is as opposed

(01:35:15):
to how maybe metaphorically or symbolically real it. IS i
don't know if that, does BUT i hope that answers
your question to some.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Degree, dude what IF i came over there To japan
in this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
Room, WELL i don't know if that would be, weird
because you, know that's wearing robes and stuff he saw
on the. Matrix there's some people In tokyo that actually
dress like, that so maybe it might not be that.
WEIRD i, Mean i've seen some people, dressed you, know
like well in, cosplay But i've seen some people dressed
and they look Like neo on the, Subway SO i don't.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
Know the holy, shit that's A Lord ashtar from the
twenty fifth AND i have three quarter to. MENS i
can't believe. It he's in the, flag she's.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
Here it wouldn't be weird.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
For My japanese.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Cult it wouldn't be weird In shibuya Or. SHINJUKU i
know that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
Fit right. In. Yeah do you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Have any other any other topics or questions or anything
before we?

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
Conclude, NO i think you summarize it really. Perfectly it's
all about your, perspective AND i mean my perspective on
it is that entities. EXIST i have encountered them several
times in my. LIFE i know that they are, real

(01:36:40):
and people don't have to believe, me and people don't
have to believe in, entities But i've experienced, them AND
i personally know that they do exist and they are.
Real now what they, ARE i don't think anybody. Knows
nobody knows what they, are and if they if they

(01:37:03):
do tell you that they know what they, are then
they're full of, shit because, well you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
Know there there's like AS i, describe there's many different
definitions for whatever they might.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
Be there's a.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
There's a number of books That i've. Read one was
from a MAJOR us. University another one is from a
guy who Trans he does a lot Of japanese, translations
but their books on yo, kai which are you know
there It's japanese From, monster but some people might know
them AS i think there's like, anime probably anime shows about,
yokai or if you've ever watched any, anime there's probably

(01:37:40):
tons of yokai in. Them the Reason i'm bringing this
up is because there's a there's a slightly, different you,
know perspective on things like that over.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
Here so as opposed to.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
Maybe if you were talking to someone who's more traditional
or connected to their roots In, america they might be
more aware of or more interested in the subject of
like spirits and ghosts and all. That but for the most,
part that's kind of like a, sterile you, know subject
because of institutional religion or at least because Of, christianity

(01:38:18):
good or. Bad but over, here you, know like the
shrines that are all over the, place and you walk
through The Tory, gate Famous Tory, gates you're walking into
the spirit. World so What i'm What i'm saying is
that over, here like the spirits are all around, you
all the. Time it's built into the. Society it's how
you view the, world like every day Is. Halloween they

(01:38:40):
don't really do a lot of decorations over here except
what's drawn out of you, Know western pop, culture but
like every day here Is halloween in a, sense because
the spirits are always around. You in, fact we were
Watching halloween movies and my wife likes, like you, Know
freddie And jason And Michael myers and stuff like, that

(01:39:02):
and then she likes some really really scary. Stuff i'm,
Like i'm not Watching smile or Or. Terrifier but we
were talking about like Scary japanese. Movies, Uh AND i said.
WHY i, said, well what do you think Scary american
movies Or japanese? Movies and she, said, Well japanese movies
aren't you, know they're usually really. Scary but she's, Like

(01:39:24):
american movies don't scare me so much BECAUSE i know
it's not. Real but what our movies. Are she's like to,
me like this stuff is real because most you, Know
japanese scary movies are like spirits and ghosts and you,
know stuff like. That so like over, here it's a
it's a it's a part of life every day as
opposed to one time of the. Year it's not a
good thing or a bad. Thing it's just a perspective

(01:39:46):
on how, people you, know view these types of.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
THINGS i didn't know you didn't like horror, movies.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
Bro, Now i'm not a big fan of horror. MOVIES i.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
DON'T i don't, WELL i don't, like you, Know terrifyer And,
smile those types of.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
Movies it's it's it's.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
Too much for. Me i'd rather watch like a. Documentary
i'm not a big horror movie.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
Person me, too me, TOO i would RATHER i, mean
BUT i like a lot of. HORROR i don't really
like gory body horror Like. Terrifier those types of movies
don't interest me at. ALL i don't like the gore.
Horror but a good thriller Like smile isn't that. BAD

(01:40:25):
i think that you might Like. Smile Smile too was
really good if they wouldn't have just ruined it at
the end with all the exposition that they, gave sort
of Like Long, legs like they just explained the entire
movie in the last ten minutes of the.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
MOVIE i did Like Long, legs but.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
That was that movie was ruined because it was they
instead of letting the audience put everything. Together they could
have added one extra scene in there and you'd have
been able to figure it out by the. End but
instead they had her her mom blow the hat out
of the back of the, doll and then her mom's
laying down on the bed and explaining everything to her

(01:41:06):
in a dream like the audience is.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Stupid you KNOW i heard did you see that video
of That BRITISH i think she's A british actress talking
about that recently about why they are doing that in.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
Movies, now did you see?

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
That, no please tell me BECAUSE i would really like to.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
Know, Yeah i've got to send that to. You hold
on a, SECOND i. CAN i think it's on my ex. Page,
yeah this, WOMAN i Don't maybe she's super, famous maybe she's.
NOT i don't know that she was talking about as
an actress why these movies are doing exactly what you just.
Said i'm scrolling through it right.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
Now it probably has something to do with people's attention
spans not wanting to sit down and actually watch the.
Movie they can't be immersed in the movie because film
directors and not immersive.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
Enough, OH i don't see. It, YEAH i don't THINK
i saved it on my. Page damn. It i'm going
to have to go and see IF i can find,
it this. Centilator but basically that's exactly what it. Was
there's a name for it, too AND i think they
call it second screen. Syndrome they're saying that a lot
of movies AND tv shows are having to do that
because they know that people watching these streaming, services especially

(01:42:19):
like A, netflix they know that people are on their
phone while they're watching, it so they have to simplify
it so while you're on your phone and watching, it
you get that you know the full description at the
end of like exactly what happened and this is what this.
Means and, yes that's like a thing that companies are
doing now because people are on their phones while they're

(01:42:40):
watching the.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
MOVIE i mean that makes, sense but it's, like, well
why would anyone be putting on a movie if you
don't intend to watch the? Movie Like I'm i'm not
going to put on a movie or A tv show
unless it's THAT i intend to actually watch. It, now
IF i am putting on something THEN i don't intend to,

(01:43:04):
watch then it's just background. Noise it's not gonna be
something THAT i care. About that's. Deep i'm not gonna
put on a documentary THAT i want to watch just
for background. Noise i'm not gonna put on a show
or a movie THAT i want to watch just for background.
Noise If i'm putting it, On i'm putting it on
Because i'm gonna watch.

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
It, well, yeah that would be the logical way to assess.
It that's the that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Idea but attention spans HAVE i don't know it's attention.
Spans it's just more like attention has, been you, know
diverted to other, things which is probably why probably why
you EVER i probably referenced this to you. Before you've
you've Seen The Great outdoors right with Dan aykroyd And John?

(01:43:48):
Candy is It John?

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
CANDY i have not seen that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Movie, Now oh my, God, okay you YOU i don't
know if you like Dan. Aykroyd but it's a really
good movie and it's an older. Movie there's just there's
JUST i CAN'T i guess explain it to you've never seen.
It but there's a scene where Dan ackroyd's characters like
this big business, man he's very serious very. Smart John
canny's more like a family, man kind of laid, back you,
know kind of maybe maybe lazy in a.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
Way and you, know as.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
The business, guy Dan aykroyd looks out over the place
where they're camping out in this cabin and he sees
all the trees and the lake and he talks about
how they could you, know they could have like logging,
industry and they could have toxic waste stored in the,
lake and he sees just all these different things they
can do with. Business and Then John canny looks out
and he's, LIKE i just see, Trees AND i think

(01:44:37):
that's kind of a that's what's happening when you describe
like the metaphors and the symbolism and all, that and
people are, like, WELL i just See, JESUS.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
I just see The. BIBLE i just read The bible
AND i take it all.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
Literally, well it's.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Like it's true there are trees, there but you could
also do things with those. Trees that's kind of what's.
Happening i'll have to send you that clip that ONE
i can.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
Find that's a really good. Analogy But, ryan thanks so
much for coming, on. BROTHER i really appreciate it because
a lot of people know where they can find you,
online where they can listen to your. Shows plug your,
website plug your. Speaker are you still doing shows on
YouTube or not doing any more video?

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
Shows just Those friday special you could call them special
edition shows for. Listeners but that's that's pretty much. It,
yeah the main but the main show is what you
can you can listen To monday Through. Friday it is
a new show every, day brand. New it is the
same length every day because that show also airs on

(01:45:35):
at least one other network as in a, timeslot so
you get The monday Through friday. Show the website is
t stradio dot INFO tst radio dot. Info the email
is rdgable at yahoo dot, com and that is how
you can obviously contact me if you would like to
get a copy of My Occult arcana, book which talks

(01:45:58):
it's like one page that has all the information we discussed.
Tonight it's a massive. Book you can get a copy
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i think that's pretty. Much it's pretty much. It it's the, website,
email the. Book thanks for doing the. Show we could
probably go on and on and talk about all of

(01:46:19):
this stuff in more. Detail if anybody wants more of
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(01:46:39):
it's pretty easy to.

Speaker 3 (01:46:40):
Find.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Eye, bro you're a.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
Freemason oh, yeah, yeah it's the exactly The illuminati. EYE
I i just sent you on a, SECOND i just
sent you the link to The John candy, thing and
THEN i sent you that link to that comedian joking
about The. Bible it's a really short. Clip it's hilarious.
THOUGH i think it's what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
Earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
Cool i'm gonna throw those in my Watch. Facebook one's
got an error on. It, WELL i can get to.

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
YouTube yeah that was my. Bad what stops you from
lying and stealing just The?

Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
Bible?

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
Yeah, okay, cool, Sweet i'll definitely check this.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
Out they're both.

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
SHORT i appreciate your, lot, brother it was an amazing.
Conversation always enjoy having you on the. Channel and the
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