RFP Vault Episode 1 "They Call Him Blue" w/ Casey Call

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Rough and Vendors Podcast. My name is
Randy Phillips. Here with Casey call aka Blue. I call
him Blue because first time I met you, everything that
you had, even down to the gatorade you were drinking
at Star, it was Blue. So I was like, all right,
we're calling you Blue from now on. So Casey, call
everybody you run a super late model now, had a

(00:21):
lot of fun this past year and all that stuff,
and you've won some big races that is right behind
me and all that stuff. So Casey, how did you
get started doing this stuff? So I was I don't know,
either three or four. I can't even remember. My mom
had tried to put me in dance class that only
lasted for one day. That's fucking bold. Yeah, tried karate.

(00:51):
I should have stayed with it. I just well, I
just it wasn't for me. Man. I got there and
I just saw a bunch of sweaty, sweaty guys rolling
around on the floor with each other, and I didn't
go back. So then it was, uh, I don't even know.
I think this woman dad said it was my mom's
birthday and they were going down Route twenty eight, and
so I happened to find a quarter midget. Yeah, at
a yard sale or something, I don't know. And so

(01:12):
my mom got a quarter midget for me as a
birthday gift for herself. Yeah, well we can, we can.
It wasn't it her birthday? Yeah? Yeah? And uh so
at the time, we had some trees through the yard
and soul, so we set up a track out there
for me to go around, and you know, you turned

(01:33):
some laps, learned some control, and had my first race
at Route one of six race Park in uh In
Town here. First race didn't go well, ended up pretty
sure it was my first race, ended up firewall deep
in the wall by myself, but by yourself though, Well
I didn't take anybody with you yet, so I vaguely remember.
I'm pretty sure that we're wrecking on the front stretch.

(01:55):
Oh so you were like planted in the wall. Yeah,
so I remember, remember dad, do you remember how that went?
I just remember I ended up destroying that cart. So
and then was it short lived or did he have
for a minute? So no, that was that was the
first race like ever? Yes, okay, first race and I
couldn't hammer it off the trees in the backyard. No, no,

(02:17):
the go concrete. So I think the track owner at
the time, who's now he still sponsors us to this day,
and he does an awful lot for us. I'm pretty sure.
I think that's I think my old man was telling
me that didn't he sell us another chassis for a
pretty good price or did you just give it to us?
That was a tiger sprint that he gave to us.
So what's a tiger sprint? I don't even know how

(02:40):
to describe it, to be completely honest with you. Was like,
it's it's kind of like a quartermadget, and but it
doesn't have any suspension and it had just one side
wing on this side, just one Okay, it was uh yeah,
it was a messed up looking go cart. That's different. Okay,
keep going. I've only ever seen them around here. I've
never ever seen them down South or anything like that.

(03:02):
I think it was just like a New England thing,
because I mean it was in Connecticut at Palmford. They
had them there, gotcha. I don't think they had them
in Maine. I don't really remember. But go carts were
a ton of fun. It was easy. Everyone got along
for the most part. I think the parents are what
kind of sucked the fun out of it. Okay, we're
going to get into that after you've done here, all right,
you going, because I mean it was just cheap. So

(03:25):
like we ran. I mean we'd run Saturday at Londonderry
in the morning and then we'd go to Root one
of six in the afternoon. So we'd run two races
on Saturday, and then Sunday in the morning we'd go
up to Claremont. We'd go run go carts up there,
and uh so that was always fun doing that. I
feel like we were traveling off a lot going. I mean,

(03:45):
we went to the Woodstock Fair before that close we
went there, went down to Palm for Connecticut, ran there
that way before my time. We I don't even know
there was a Woodstock Oh yeah, Oh it was awesome,
like the you show up there and it's quite literally
like in the middle of nowhere, like it's a fair,
that's we are in the middle of nowhere. This was

(04:05):
like I vaguely remember it, but it was like in
the middle of nowhere. And what sucks you mean like
over by like Mount Washington. I don't know, no, no, no,
in Connecticut. Okay, I'm fucking I'm up north, You're no Connecticut.
We're covering all the fucking bases here. Yeah, like you'd
go out on track and I didn't know how many

(04:25):
people were truly going to be there, right because a fair,
but I'm also thinking, you know, not a lot of
people are race fans, so how many people are going
to really watch this? And man, there was there was
no standing room, Like, the fence was filled with people.
The grand stands were full. I mean the pits were full.
I remember watching the Senior Champs go around there. Those
were unrestricted animal motors and man, they were cruising. That
was a ton of fun. We ended up getting wrecked.

(04:47):
We're the fastest people there. Yeah, and we just got
wrecked after the first turn. So that wasn't fun. That
ended dark night. Now you're used to it. Yeah, So
you're backtracking a little bit here before you got into
your first start. I know that that on your on
your mom's birthday, you guys went and just bought a
quarter midget. Do you have any background before this, before

(05:09):
you even started racing? So it's your old man just
like my dad used to do snowfield drag racing. Oh okay, no,
see there had to be something here, because no one
just goes out and just like, hey, let's try gokart,
you know what I mean. They have to like if
we backped a little bit. We also had gone to
that go kar trek beforehand. It kind of just went
and checked it out and gotcha. It was pretty cool. Yeah,
I remember like at that point in time too. One

(05:30):
O six was pretty big. So like a lot of
a NASCAR guys actually went down Cup weekend and watched
and everything. I'm pretty sure one of the drivers had
his kid race there once or something. I don't even remember.
But the guy that owned it also was big in
with Ricky Craven that was listening. Okay, cool, Yeah, he's
good friends with Ricky and I think he sponsored him
for a while if I'm correct. You don't remember his name.

(05:54):
Dick Krueger. Oh, Dick Kruger objects. We're multitask here, I apologize. So, okay,
so you do have some background into it. Were you
were you guys going to the circle tracks at all
before even getting into dirt racing, or you guys are
just doing I wouldn't even drag racing, that wouldn't even
dirt That was That was asphalt. Well, yeah, well you

(06:17):
knew what I meant, Like, what was dirt You just
said dirt racing. Oh, I meant like like circle track
racing around here, So I mean other than NASCAR. That
was really all just I don't know if he ever
went to you know, like Star Hutson anything like that.
Oh so he did wait to be in the loop.
Yeah yeah, So okay, so we have some background on that.

(06:42):
I wanted to go back a little bit. So you
talking about how it was like it was it was
rough in the kids division. Well, it wasn't really rough
for the kids. I mean no, no, not for the kids,
for the parents, right, yeah, I mean the parents. I
mean us kids were having a great time. We'd wreck
each other and we'd get out and we'd be out
on our scooters, running around the racetrack on the on

(07:03):
the scooters and stuff. But the parents would be having
an all out brawl in the pits. Okay, So you see,
so that was that was the same thing, and it
still happens today. It's the most toxic place that you
can be around as a parent, and it makes me
very scared to get my own son involved in kids
racing because of that. Alone because there's no shut off

(07:24):
switch for me, you know what I mean, there's no
and it's just crazy to me on how like parents
take it, Like especially GOKRT weren't getting paid, like there
was no not even twenty five dollars. It was fun,
yeah yeah, and they would like be freaking out having
you know, screaming matches in the pits for for what

(07:45):
you know, we're learning out here. We're just trying to
have fun. That's the whole purpose of god cart racing realistically,
if we're not racing for a million dollars, yeah you know.
I mean even dealt with that through Bendoleero cars and
the Legend cars as well. I mean, it was it's
just what it is. It's racing in general. Yeah, yeah,
it is. It is the same thing. I just know
there's a time and a place for it, and like

(08:06):
bandeleros and coke carts is not the place for just
let them go. Like I get it in like some
points like of bandoleros and stuff like that, Like if
you guys go and travel around and all that stuff
and then you got to deal with ignorant people sometimes,
then I totally understand why it would be a shitty situation.
Totally understand. At the end of the day, we all
love to have that grit of being competitive with the

(08:28):
other people. Totally understand. But if my kid's just out
there learning and he's just bouncing off tires, I don't care.
Like if he gets in your kids' way, I'm sorry,
but that's where well, that's where it's starting, that's where
it's done. Most of the time. You got to learn
by screwing up exactly. That's that's what half of these
kids are doing it. Just let them go out there
and run. Like if they're putting your kid wall deep, okay,

(08:50):
then get figured out. Go from there. But the screaming
matches doesn't make any sense. It doesn't do anything. No
one gets anywhere with it instead of being adults at
we are and just like being like, hey don't do that,
and hey don't do Like if moon runs like a
piece of shit, I'll cut the cage right out of
the fucking thing and say, go do something else. So
you know what I mean. We're at Claremont and uh,

(09:11):
I don't, I mean I can't. I guess I can
say their name. This kid's name is Charlie Macoa he
did something on track, but it wasn't even a big deal. Man.
I swear his dad come over to the Tiger sprint
and was punching his what I'd say probably what six
or seven year old kid just in the helmet, repeatedly
screaming at him because he didn't win the race or
something like that. That's it was the most It was

(09:32):
the craziest thing I've ever witnessed that at Claremont. I
would I would, I would definitely. Uh it was I man,
that was I've never seen something like it before. It's
it's it's its own it's its own worst enemy, to
be honest, But I just I've noticed that, and as
a parent myself, I'm like, what the fuck, Like, no,

(09:55):
we're not doing that. Like, like my kid will wait
until he can get into a full body car and
he'll st right there because then I won't have to
worry about that stuff because he's out there with people
that aren't going to come and yell out a kid.
And I get it, and like, at some points we
do have to run against younger kids. But at the
same time, I can't really do anything. I'm not gonna
go yell at your son I'll I'll go, I'll come

(10:15):
talk to the dad about it, or to like, you know,
you talk to the kid, you know, if you're older too,
and you got more years under your belt, more experiences,
you know, pull a kid aside, teach the kid. Yeah yeah, no,
let him learn. But I mean I've seen I've seen
sixty year old men yell at young kids. I've seen it.
I've been you know, I've been the recipient. Yeah. Down

(10:36):
at Seacawk. Actually i'd won my first I think it
was like my first or second Legend card race. I'm
not going to say names on this one, but I
ended up winning. I ended up winning the race. I
got him three wide because he was too busy running
the other guy up the hill. Yeah, and so I
went three wide to the bottom out. At this time,
we were teammates too, so we were we were on
this guy's team and wait and narrow it down, buddy.

(10:58):
I'm not going to name drop, but i'll buck. But
the circle wrong. Not a lot of not a lot
of people really knew. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, sweet
that I ended up I ended up winning the race
because I pass him through wide. Ye yeah, and his
his old man come running up to me as I
pull off the track at seakonk. I don't know if

(11:19):
you've been there, where you come up to the tunnel,
you can't really see anything. You can't coming. So I
get to the top of the tunnel, I think he's
coming to congratulate me. No, absolutely not, starts wailing on
the roof of my car, saying that I ran into
him and I moved him. And I don't even remember
what he was screaming at me. Though he's probably in
the sixties at at this time, I was probably fifteen
thirteen years old. I'm like, what in the world. And uh,

(11:41):
from that point on, it was never the same we.
I mean, we didn't really talk of the race track
anymore or anything like that. But I was like, man,
that's kind of crazy to me that you're that old
yelling at a kid. Yeah, they don't give a shit.
And it's not like, you know, his son was a
kid either, was like thirty forties. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. World.

(12:01):
Like I said, it's the great and the competitiveness, and
I totally understand it, but there's a place and a
time for it. And trust me, I've been really really
rough on little kids before too, But that's because they
just absolutely just drove right through me. So then I'm like,
what the fuck? And then if I go and talk
to someone about it, they're like, well yeah, And I'm like, okay,
so can you tell them? And they're like again, well,

(12:21):
that's the thing is. I mean, these younger kids are
being taught to race that way. Yeah, you know, that's
what it is. They're not getting taught racecraft. Yeah. Really,
they just think, you know, shove them out of the
way and get buy them quick. They they aren't taught
to be you know, patients set up a fucking person. Yeah,
they're not taught the fundamentals of it. So they're just
ripping off noses and doors every race and then it

(12:44):
never gets corrected after a certain point. Oh no, that's
a big problem right now, racing total Well, that's yes.
And that's when I love to call them learning moments,
is when someone just gets sick of it and gives
you a learning moment. There you go, and that that's
what it was back in the day when I was
doing it. Because he didn't go out there and he
didn't beat the shit out of the guys that were

(13:05):
running out there. You didn't do it, and a lot
of people knew that, and you could be competitive and
not touch someone, and a lot of people could do
that back in the day. Now it's not really that
you can root and gouge and all that stuff. I'm
totally down for hard racing, but if you shop shop,
if you ship someone, then be ready for that. Well.
The thing is, too is a lot of these people
who don't know how to do it either, so it
always ends up wrecking a car at the end of it,

(13:26):
whether it's themselves or the other guy. And it just
doesn't look. Yeah. I mean, hey, as a fan, I
love watching. Yeah, it's on my check book. I don't
give a fucked, But I don't want to be the
one in the driver. Yah, yeah, exactly. I don't want
that torn up race car my shop. I'm all set.
So yeah, going back to what you said, as a whole,
it is like that, I don't know what happened to
the respect and stuff like that. This year. It just

(13:46):
felt like not many people even give a shit, and
and that's all around. I don't want anybody coming at
me and we don't care. What I'm saying is that
the many races that I watched this year, even in
my own eyes on TV or anything like that. Like
you said, there's not really that much respect. There's people
that will run each other really good and they'll get
the praise and all that stuff, and then you got

(14:08):
the other people that will be like doing what they
do and they do like what the fuck. So the
craziest thing about it to me is is like a
lot of these guys that are doing that, they you know,
they're the like like we had talked about before, is
that they are the first person to drive through someone
but also the first person to cry about it when
it happens to them. Yeah, And it's like it just

(14:30):
amazes me how quick people forget. Yeah, it's I don't know,
it's just racing as a whole. I feel like from
when I started and go cards up until like when
I went down to Internationals down and I'll get all
this after this, Yeah, that's when I started noticing. It
was like down there, they didn't care. They were showing

(14:51):
up with Bandalera cars with Stacker trailer and they didn't know.
They don't give me shit. They had like they were
wrecking them and pulling out new ones. And all three
days of racing. It's like they had different cars. Yeah,
world is this? So so that was my biggest wake
up call, is like when we did that stuff and
I'm just I just see like a thirty two foot
trailer with seven or exaggerating a little bit, but a

(15:13):
lot of legend cars just roll out of the thing.
I'm like, Okay, they're going for distance today. They don't
give a ship, they don't care, you know what I mean.
But I get it. It's the Winter Nationals. It's pretty big
and all that stuff. But so let's get into that. So,
so you wreck erected Gordon Beers. We call it Gordon
Beers because he got hit by beer cans when you
move that guy at Talladig. So you remember when Gordon

(15:37):
wanted to race at Talladega and they were throwing beers
at the guy. So I call him Gordon Beers. Now,
if you ever see someone like throw someone at like
anything that's a beverage at a car, I called him
Gordon Beers. But so, so you wrecked that car, it
was probably done right. It was jump yeah, pretty much. Okay,

(15:59):
So you went into a what it's called tiger sprint,
and Tiger sprint, so We're gonna call them little slot
cars because if it has no suspension and just a
wing or a little side just one side side, that's yeah.
It was weird. Now, okay, so how many how many
years did you run that? Uh so the we ran
I think two? Was it two years we ran that?
I think it was either two or three. But I

(16:20):
remember the first year they had different classes. So there
was a Tiger Sprint C, Tiger Sprint B, and Tiger
Sprint A. The A was like the highest class I got.
You had a blue plate or something like that, and
uh the bees had like a purple plate. And I
don't even remember. All I remember is my first year,
they told us if you win three races, you'll get
bumped into Tiger sprene So we ended up winning the
first three races, so I was in Tiger spren A.

(16:42):
And yeah, they want to fucking out there beating up
on people. Also, the thing is that you're doing pretty
good getting back out there. Yeah. I was the youngest kid.
Ye A guess at the time, kids quite a bit
older than me, and there was a lot of us too,
Like at this point, like go karting was at its peak. Gotcha,
we there was like I don't know, probably fifteen sixteen
of us kids in that Tiger sprine A division, and

(17:04):
then like there was like twenty thirty senior champs showing up.
They used to run what it was called Saturday night lives,
so like those nights we'd get a lot of carts
too from just coming up from places. But we ran
that for I think it was either two or three years,
and ran really good in it. I don't think we
did any traveling with it. I was about the ascid

(17:24):
go do any like big because I remember, man, I'm
going to date myself a little bit here. Sugar Hill
Speedway used to do that stuff, and like that's that's
what happened. And then there was a couple other tracks
that did the same thing. I just didn't know what
classes they did that for. It was mainly just senior
champs and champs and junior Sportsman's. Tiger Sprints didn't really
do a whole heck of a lot like they I

(17:45):
got to look up what one of these son of
them bitches later. They're pretty silly looking. Okay, all right,
I had a wing somewhere around here. Might have gotten
thrown out, but I had the side panel at least somewhere.
I don't know where it went though, but no, I
think we might have gone to Claremont once with that. Yeah,
I can't really remember. Oh okay, that might help me out. Okay,

(18:06):
I might look at the those later, hopefully someone in
the uh yeah, maybe someone could help me out in
the chat. But so did that for a couple of years.
And then did you jump into a legend car? Did
you do the sportsman junior champs? So? I did a
junior Sportsman. We did that for I think like three
or four years, and we dominated everywhere. So what is
a junior sports So it's a Champ cart. It's a

(18:29):
Champ cart? What is it champcart? I'm sorry, full roll cage?
And it had an animal motor in it. Oh okay,
thank you Chad. Yeah, yes, oh I like to sign
cheating Chad's performance. Yeah, I knew they soaked tires over here.
They have a whole roller off camera. We'll get to that.

(18:52):
So that that go kart we we started with it one.
It was the chassis was a meshoe matrix is what
it was called. And it was a toilet okay, it
was an appolot toilet. It didn't go good at all. Okay,
and that first year I don't even think we won
one race with that thing. And then we had bought
the cart up there in the picture. It was a
rage chassis cart. I remember. We had bought it from
someone who won the championship the previous year. Gotcha, and

(19:14):
we just went on an absolute tear or whatever wherever
we went. It didn't matter where we went. We just
showed up, cleaned house, left like we ended up. I
think one year won four championships or three championships in
one year, like between different tracks, and we won one
at one O six twin State Londonderry, and then a
Who's Your Tire Challenge championship. So what do you have
a whole trophy room? No, we don't got enough space

(19:34):
for that in the house. They're kind of all just
in totes downstairs in the basement. Wow. And then scattered
throughout our family's houses, you know, and go okay, but
I didn't know if you had like a whole trophy
room or nothing like that. Okay, we just have like
the the the cool trophies out you know, the big ones. Yeah. Yeah,
but yeah, that year we went on an absolute tear.
And then so our Bandolero car we had bought from

(19:56):
the owner of six Race Park, Dak Krueger. Funny story
about this thing. Oh he gave it to us. Oh
apparently he gave it to us. But this car or
this car they had bought and apparently his grandson or
someone was supposed to race it. They never really raced it.
They were I think they were going to start a
series at the track and it never just happen. It
just never happened. Gotcha. Well, they used to have a

(20:17):
garage at that track where they stored all their stuff in.
Someone had broken into that garage, got in the Bandalero
car and I swear to god, they drove it from
the racetrack down Route one oh six in a police
chase all the way to the Epsom Circle about twenty
minutes away or fifteen minutes away, and then they ran
out of gas and then the cops caught them. So
my my band Aero car was stolen at one point

(20:39):
and brought joy Rid. Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool.
So just a little sidebar off of that. My dad
used to work for a place over by Milford, over
by the Milford Circle, and someone someone uh uh. They
would be running legend cars, so when they needed to

(20:59):
test the car out, they would just bring it down
the bring it down the street and yeah we got
a we have a whole wind tunnel here, we get
our arrow spot all. Yeah, yeah, they have a whole
pull down machine here. Oh yeah, it's jammed out back
in the field right now, I got space for it.

(21:22):
But so a little, yeah, a little sidebar there was
like my dad used to work at a shop and
like they used to take joy rides in that around
the They would get talked to by the cops all
the time about that stuff. So I've always wanted to
get a legend car, make it street legal. I felt
like that they have that. There's actually a guy. So
here's another sidebar off that there's a guy that works

(21:42):
with me at Ruger Firearms that has a street legal
legend car. I was like, that's fucking cool. Way nothing.
And when they had I mean the new motors they got. Now,
I've driven with one of those motors and they are toilets.
They got nothing to them. You hit the gas and
it feels like they don't go nowhere. The twelve fifty
motor I mean that was a lot of fun. They
don't love Yeah, so that thing, I mean, you could

(22:03):
definitely tell the difference between them. It took a driver
to drive a twelve fifty car unless it was like
really good set up. Just say that driving to drive
those fucking things, honestly, they weren't honest Honestly. When once
we got hooked up with Matt Drake from Fab Specialty, Yeah,
that thing was easiest cake to drive. See that does
mean we were way out of our fucking league. I
don't know why we had a Legends car, but we
had one. Yeah, that thing there. Everyone was like, man,

(22:26):
they're so hard to drive. You got it, you gotta
be really good at throntle control. We got that thing
back from Matt Drake and it was just like I turn,
I whacked the gas and go and there was there
was nothing else I didn't enough. It was just Southern
speed and a Legend car is a lot different than
Northern speed. Outset's all. I'll say. You see a lot
of guys that run good up here, that run on
their own, that are hooked up with the team down self,

(22:47):
they go down celt they don't do good. Yeah, you
need you need to be hooked up with those. I
mean I remember he had given my dad the setup.
My dad's looking at the notebook and he's thinking that
he's screwing with him because it was just so out
of the ordinary. Yeah, yeah, for strange and uh, but
it worked. I mean we went to was it was cast.
At our first race we went to with it, we
were like three tenths faster than we were before, and

(23:09):
I think we ended up with like half a track
lead and one with it. I mean, Southern speed is
just it's a lot different than Northern speed. Yeah. Yeah,
I gotta see one of those notes. Do you still
have those the notes that you got from them all
for the legend carts of it? Since? Yeah, Travis, because
we ended up working with a friend of ours that

(23:31):
we used to race go cards with because she was
still racing legend cars. So we ended up helping them
out substantially because I mean they were terrible. Yeah yeah,
I mean she was what I mean, half a second
and a half off pace. She was horrible. We ended
up helping him out quite a bit, and we end
up getting her qualifying on the pole every weekend. And
that's not bad, you know, it's a pretty big turnaround. Yeah,
and it was only in two years. That's not bad. Yeah.

(23:53):
So you did Junior Sportsman correct, Yeah? Yeah, okay, and
then you went into Bendalera car we went to I
remember we only raced them in the Hampstrom Motor Speedway
in turn one and two, because that's all that was
at the time around here for racing, don't you. And
I remember that there was quite a few of us

(24:15):
that first year. I mean, there was a lot of us,
and we weren't very good. We ended up winning a
few races or something. I don't even remember. I can't
remember that stuff. That's weird. Five races. We won the
championship too, right and uh and then tabith the call
said you got four championships out of five. She's a
little late to the party on that one. Okay, Okay,
well I was just reading that. I didn't know that

(24:36):
was Junior Sportsman. Okay, I'm gonna be honest with you, Casey.
I didn't touch because I just thought I was just
fat at K one and then I was way too
heavy for those things. I was like, no, wonder, I'm
fucking slow. No. No, it all comes down to like
consistency and like nine persistency. It's it's there's a lot
that goes into those little go cards, Like, yeah, they
were easy, but at the same token, it was kind

(24:58):
of hard to just run the same lap after lap
of well no, no, yeah, I'm not discredited. I mean they
were they were easy. Yeah, yeah, I'm not discrediting go
karts at all. I'm just telling you. The only go
card I had was some open faced go card that
you had around the yard and I'm running over my
brother with it. That's what I did with go cards,
you know what I mean. I didn't. I didn't get

(25:18):
into it like that when I first started, and you
were fortunate for that. When I first started, it was
just a whole body car. It's just like have fun,
just figure it out from there, you know what I mean.
I wish go karts were still as big as they were,
because I think that it is a very good place
to start. They're also cheap. They are because they run
up at debt. They're not as big as they used

(25:39):
to be though. Well yeah, because everybody moved up. Well
it's because well, and then kids are just starting in
bandos now. No, it's it's it's that and kids are
just jumping right in the bands. It's like these these
trooper series that we have, Like they're putting these kids
in these cars like got like Star and hunting. Yeah yeah, yeah,
touring series they do. Like don't get me wrong, that's
a great idea in all, but like they're all going
the same speed. Yeah, they put them in go carts.

(26:01):
Get a go carts here, he's going, yeah, we need
to do that again. Oh yeah, they had that up
at Claremont. We got we got the Claremont go cart track.
I mean Root one O six. You'll never get back
again because it's the sand and gravel pit now yeah,
the Sandwich sugar Hill filled with fucking split wood. Now
they still have Londonderry. I mean it's it looks like
a dump. It's all overgrown, but the track's still there.
Well yeah, I know they cleaned it up a little bit.
But then I don't know why the fuck happened over there,

(26:23):
But I don't know, but I know it's it's still
there and it's the surface still looks good. I mean
it's all right. Yeah Jimmy d might go through the fence,
but it was still decent. You know what. I mean
it was still a good time. So actually back to
the Bandalero cars and that kid that I was talking
about earlier that I got hit by his father up
at Claremont. We called him wack O Maco at the time.

(26:45):
He was just he was just he was he was
in the pits. He'd run around a million miles an hour,
and he was like, you know, like one of those
really like hyperactive kids. Yeah, crackhead. Yeah. So that's kind
of what we told them, was Macco, and we were
at you know, it's way easier. Yeah. He ended up
buying a Bandeleerro with us to uh well not with us,
but like when we got one, they had got one
as well, and they were moving up through the ranks,

(27:06):
and so someone had I think it was a time
our family was leasing Londonderry. We got Bandalero's there just
as a test to see if it would work, you know,
because it's a bigger track, way too small for Bandalero's
first off. But I remember he ended up Londonderry. Sorry, okay,
keep going. I remember that kid had actually like in practice,
he was just he was driving really really hard and

(27:27):
he lost control and went up the catch fence and
parked on top of a pro Paine tank in turn
out of turn two at Londonderry. Yeah, it was uh.
I remember because I'd seen him on my inside, so
I was like, all right, and then I come back
around and I go into three and I don't see
him on my inside. So I get I get back
around and I look into one and two and I'm like,
I look up and he's like the only way I

(27:50):
could put it is like, here's a pro Paine tank.
He's like on top of it. Like So it was
the craziest thing I've ever seen. It was kind of impressive. Man,
you're lucky, man. It couldn't leveled the whole damn place.
You guys want to know all been there? Yeah, you
know what I mean. I don't even know if that
pro Paine tanks you got anything in it. To be honest,
it's still there, that same tanks there, but it's all overgrown.
You can't even see it. I don't even know the

(28:11):
last time it was used. John Asperna said the photographer
used to get thrown weekly at London. There who was
a photographer? Oh wait a minute, wait a minute, I
think that was that really creepy dude, John l okay.
But no, no, no, there was mind John, I don't tell
us who it is now. It was so there was

(28:35):
one photography he was really cool. His name was Kelly.
He was awesome. And then there then there was one
I don't know his name. He was Irish, I'm pretty sure,
and he was just really creepy and he would just
get hit by people all the time. No, so Kelly
was the one that got hit. He got hit a
lot too. Yeah, that's what John and I just said.
I forgot about Kelly because I thought that I remember
only him being at one o six, but now I

(28:56):
vaguely remember him being a Lenondarrea for like the first
year or whatever. But no, the other photographer was. It
was something very strange. Gotcha never change, Casey. I love it.
I absolutely love it. So uh yeah, John agreed with you. So,

(29:19):
like we were saying, you went into Bandolairos, you only
did turn one and two, which is weird. How where
the hell were they doing that? No, so so I
was saying, oh for yeah, yeah, and with the vandals,
yeah sorry, yeah, so they've run us up the we'd
be in turns one and two on the big track
and then it would cut down onto what is the

(29:40):
road course? Now come down the front straight away and
you have that ask for the road course. Well for
the oval, you'd come across or you'd come across the
apron up onto the track on the on the banking,
and then you come back down up against the concrete
barrier and that was the front stretch and there was
a line. It was really really weird, the strange set up.

(30:01):
I would have to be there to understand that. Is
it like is it like? It's not like anything. It's
not like Charlotte. No, because they do that, You're gonna
look at this and your mind's gonna like twist. It's
so gonna and like I remember, they used to have
these things called like kiss barriers, and they were just
like plastic barriers, and those were horrible. Like you hit them,

(30:21):
you were you were tearing your stuff up, probably taking
the left front off the guard. Definitely wasn't kissing that. No,
And h our first year, I quite a few people
hit it. And so then second year came around, they
switched to barrels and man, that year we were on
a tear. I remember we had broke the track record
it was like a sixteen point eight, and then it
was like the next week we're in a seven, and

(30:42):
then the week after that we were like fours and
nobody was near us. And then Jacob Perry. This is
when he came along. Gotcha, Jacob Perry showed up and
raced with us. Eddie Thatcher, I don't know if you've
heard that name. It's been a long time since I've
heard Eddie Thatcher, but he used to race with us.
You ever see the video clip of the two super
late models at Bristol and one of the people got

(31:03):
right we were hooked up into the fence and it
was just a super hilarious video of the guy absolutely
ragging on the kid for being daddy's little rich kid.
Did you ever see that clip? Oh that was Eddie Thatcher. Okay, well,
you're giving me all this material I can look up
and put on the podcast. You're gonna have to find it.
But they were really good people. We ended up buying
our second Bandoleera from them when they were getting out
of it. But like so is aj Eastman J No,

(31:26):
they're from Long Island, so is that's a trip. And
they used to race weekly with us. That's a trip. Yeah,
so it was us Perry, Aj Eastman, Robbie Gordon, Douglas.
Jake was Matheson with us at that point too, and
then we had a Lee and Eil. I can't even

(31:46):
remember the other people. Nathaniel Parkins that he's not racing anymore,
I don't believe, but we had quite a decent field
of us. That was also the first time I flipped
the race car was racing. There was with Jacob Perry.
That's a long end a banda. Yeah, oh those are
that happened. They flipped pretty easily once because oh yeah,
the bumpers. The bumpers, you can wheell hop a bumper,
and that's what happened to me. Jacob and me were

(32:07):
racing pretty hard and he got sideways and just over
corrected it and his bumper went under my left retire
and just sent me up rolling off into three and four.
So that was interesting that that was an experience I'll
never forget because I've never flipped a car up until
that point. Yeah, I still haven't now after that, that
was the only time we're going to get to this ship.
We're gonna have to keep it that way too. Over

(32:27):
in the corner. Make sure you go hit that. Yeah, right,
so yeah, it's definitely My first time flipping was the
lovely tire barrier down the back stretch at Hudson. That was,
oh yeah, back the tire barrier. Yeah, back when I
was over there running fucking dot car with the windows

(32:48):
still in the d thing. Did you at least go
fishing off the back stretch? No? No, no, no, no, no,
we didn't get that far. Oh, believe it or not.
There's like cement barriers down there, so you're not going
in there like the thing you gotta worry about is
hitting those dance cement barriers. But yeah, when you're just
like ass over tea kettle. There was there's one year

(33:08):
that some guy had a GoPro on this car, yep,
and it just like disintegrated on that backstretch tire barrier
and the GoPro landed in the in the tree. I
remember that. I can't remember who owned that car, but man,
it was brand fucking new that day, and that thing
did not have a body when it came out of
that fucking tire barrier. I tell you the place to
come a long way from that tire barrier. I loved them.

(33:29):
I love Hudson. I absolutely enjoy Hudson. That's where I started.
That is, seriously the place I started. My dad used
to race there religiously with Shane Dillon and all those guys,
and then the truck series and then they went to
Star and then Uh. There was a lot of history
there and it's a great track. I absolutely love the track.
It's the only track I could throw the most stupid

(33:52):
adjustment I could think of it and still just be fine.
I'm like, okay, I've always had a hard time getting
around that place. I don't like the track layout itself.
I struggle with it. I just don't like it. He's
just shipping in there. Well I try that, and I
ship it too far. He can't bought him out. Yeah,

(34:13):
we only ran a legend in the pro stock there,
but that was a pro stock compared compared to the
legend car. The legend car you shouldn't have been able
to just so the legend car, we just ship it in.
We well, that thing, you just drove it in about
sixty car links further than you think. Yeah, that's what
I was doing with it. Duro cars. I just used
the people in front of me, Oh it would stick,

(34:33):
it wouldn't It didn't matter. So with a legend car,
like with one of those, the way that I always
drove it and the way that I was, you know,
taught to drive it was force it, you know. And
oh yeah, no, I'm saying not dude. When I say
you're shipping it in, I mean you're a star. That's
what I was really good at. Star in a car
I love starts my favorite racetrack flat out, and they're

(34:55):
like everyone else like hits the chip a few times.
And if you' go back and like watch video clips,
like you'll see me there. And I'm like, I'm going
to the back stretch, railing the chip all the way
down the backstretch and I'm driving in like three car
links deeper than everyone else and just you, Matt, the
breaks down. You slam on them and uh turn the
car and just whacked the gas right back to the floor.

(35:15):
They were an interesting car to drive. They took some finesse,
but not a whole heck of a lot. Like like
I said, when they were well set up, they were
the easies. Didn't even give us something. Well, you gotta
fix it. So I'm sitting there with a fucking ten
a flashlight in my hand and fucking two ten's doing
a fucking rear bumper. So that's how that's how new
car was at that point in time. As it was
very rush rush rush. It's great now, like I enjoyed

(35:36):
because we just came off the track fucking obliterated and
they're like and we and we're like, well, they only
give you two laps, that's all that's still all you
get is two laps. Now. It was after the heat
we got destroyed in the heat race, and then and
then it was like a feature after us, and then
we went back to feature and I was like, what
the fuck? And they're like yeah, and so then so
they wait until we line up and they're like, oh,
you didn't finish fix a rear humper. And I was like,

(35:58):
so they wouldn't fix I think you'll get right on it, dude.
They wouldn't let you start a race. I think if
you had like a missing body panel either, like so, well, yeah,
I get the safety of it, but let us know
when we're coming off the track and you see it
off the damn car. Well that's the thing is like
even if like you you have to start the race
with everything attached. You can come off during the race though,
that's fine. But if you start the race and it's

(36:19):
not on you, you can't race. So it might be
different up here because they did black flag some guy
down south for that recently. I think it was like
the Classic or something like that at Southern National because
the ostage rear bumper or something like that. So they're like,
you can't, you can't continue. I don't so I get
that they don't let you. So the reason why they
don't let you run with the rear bumpers because they're
horns on the car. They stick so far out those

(36:41):
those horns that the bumper tab slide into. Yeah, I
mean that would hurt to have one of those come
through your door or something like that. You know that
would not well, No, I get, I get the safety
aspect of it. I just wish they told us because
we're getting dragged in by the I don't even get
me started on the tow truck drivers and the legend gards.
Oh yeah, I was at Seakwonks the first time we

(37:02):
went there. I got wrecked, Yeah, and I thought I
was going to go over backwards being hooked onto this
toe drug like they had the arm jacked in the air.
So I was sitting like this already looking at the
fucking moon and then we're so now my back bumper.
I was doing like twelve o'clock with the race. It
was the scariest thing ever. I think. I got out
of the car and instantly said to him, I said,

(37:23):
I'm never getting a toe from that truck again. It
was bad when we got When we get off of this,
I'll tell you a fucking story. But I ain't got
a name drug because they still do the ship, so
I'm gonna leave them alone. Oh man, fuck yeah, No,
I've been there too, And I was like, I'm fucking
ready for Houston right now. Jesus Christ, can you put
me down your draggon fucking fuel cell right now? They

(37:45):
don't shrage me. Okay, they're getting paid. Yeah, yeah, I know.
It doesn't matter. Who cares if you need fucking a
whole new fuel cell because you're wearing it right into
the fucking concrete for me. Thanks, dude, appreciate that. No, Like,
I get it. I get it. So we went down
a little rabbit hole fucking a man. But so band

(38:07):
knows you flipped that ship. Yep, how many years did
you do? Bandos ran those for four years and ran
up and down the Eastern seaboard with those. We went
down and one Winter Nationals in Orlando. That was one
hell of a week. That was one we ended up
winning all. We won three out of the five days
and finished no lower than the second. So we absolutely
dominated the thing. The one race that I had lost,

(38:30):
Jake Matheson had won. So the New England guys absolutely dominated. Yeah,
and then we went to Charlotte, Atlanta, Bethel, Bethel, New York.
We were the first people to try bandeleiras at Sea
Conk and was cast it SEACNK in a bandelero with
no restrictor plate. You're absolutely flying. I could have finished

(38:52):
in the top ten in the Legend card race in
a bandealero. Yeah. You never lived the restricted played now Yeah,
like even you've seen have you seen him run start right,
take them off? You seen? Yeah? I did that unrestricted, unrestricted,
flat footed, never lifted. I love that. Yeah, there's videos
online and it's it's crazy. I love that. Bringing back

(39:12):
those cars there, they were fun, they're they're an absolute riot.
I remember we went down to Uh went to Charlotte
to run the Bandolero bandit Nationals, Yeah and Uh. At
this time it was Chandler Smith, Sammy Smith, basically all
the big names in NASCAR right now, like Finity M. Yeah,
I'd never really, I've never talked to him before. This

(39:34):
is the I racing thing. You can keep going. And
there's an inside joke. If John's still watching, we had
We had gone there on a whim and we sucked.
The first time we went down. It was called the
Jack in the Box Summer Shootout. That was our first
time we went down. The second time we went down,
we had a notebook now and we started somewhere midpack
and I'd worked my way forward and early on, like

(39:54):
right away, I ended up getting Nah, I ended up
getting spun out by someone and h it was wacko
no Noutenham. We had we had run back through the
field and I think I think when they had the
when the when they uh the most fun I ever had.
I would be running like pure socks at ma Dad

(40:16):
knocking me to hang out and all that stuff. But
the first year that I actually traveled the Lease Speedway
for Octoberfest and ran in the purestock division or whatever
we would call it. We had like forty five cars
and I started fifty eighth out of forty five cars.
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. We were all out there
and everybody from everywhere, and I was in a calv

(40:37):
but I was it was moving, it was set up well,
it was cheated up. But I only yeah, I needed
to do that with a fucking cavalier. Back in the day,
I didn't know where the ship with those things. But
my point being is like I think the most fun
I had and the most smiles I had was like
coming up from the back. That's from such a pier.
Stocks and duros all that stuffs fun the most fun.

(40:59):
That's why I try to get in duros as much
as I can. I think it's just fun as hell
to do. Well. It was fun down there because it
was like, you know, you hear about it online. It's like,
oh my god, go race down south and you know,
I'm down south and I'm running with them too. Yeah yeah,
I'm kind of I'm my way through. I was schooling them,
you know, and then I got I ran out of time,
and later on we ended up going to or No.

(41:22):
I might have been beforehand, but when I had first
met Chadler Smith. We get into a group and it
was mean. It was Chandler Smith and I can't even
remember the other kids' names now, but we're all kind
of in a group and talking because you know, when
you're a kid, you just you don't care. You just
talk to anyone. You're just hanging out. Yeah, And so
Chandler Smith goes like says something to me, like, who's

(41:42):
your engine builder. I'm like, they're sealed motors. Is like,
no one, and he's like, who works on your cars?
I'm like my dad, and he's he's I don't quite
remember it, but basically asked if I was rich. I'm like, no, no,
I'm not. Okay, okay, yeah, because you fucking turned head.
At the time, he was showing up to the racetrack

(42:05):
and a he was the only Bandelio team there, showing
up in a stacker trailer, fully lettered up with his face,
his car, his number, his name, everything all over the trail.
You couldn't miss. It was a rolling billboard for Chandler Smith.
I don't know why they put his face on there,
Oh it was, it was it was I have to
find a picture. It was crazy. I mean that was
the first time I met him in person, and then

(42:26):
you just saying that, I'm just like, what the fuck?
Well it was. It was a little messed up because
I at the time like Bandelaro cars. You don't need
a stacker for him. So up here were used to
see an open trailers with a Bandeloro car, and I
go down there, Oh yeah, fucking open trailer mafia. Well
up here, well down there, it ain't down there a stacker.
I know, I know, crazy, I don't know. I don't.
I tell you though, watching the Legends when we were

(42:47):
down there watching you know, Daniel Hemrick and Hack, he no,
I got a story. But when he was in the
Legend Cars man he was hill. Oh yeah, no, he's
a hell of a legend car racer. He's still fucking
and drove right over us. Fuck him. He he went.
He won a lot of stuff, he won the million
dollar to win race down to Charlotte. I think it

(43:07):
was was a hymn. I think there was Legend cars
running for a million, fucking Jordan Black. It was someone
running for a lot of y'all motorsports at that point
in time. Oh no, we got a backtrack here there
was a fucking legend race for a million dollars and
they also used to win. It was a jack in
the box summer shootout. They used to have barrels and
one of them was filled with tennis balls. So the
barrels line the inside and outside of the track, and

(43:28):
they were saying that if you had hit one, you
had you couldn't hit it on purpose, but if you
hit one, they were gonna give you ten thousand dollars
bonus just for hitting one. Yeah, and he didn't do it,
So like you spin out or you get wrecked whoever
hit out or Rosh Chastain and the whole fucking outside. Yeah,
really fuck it. I don't get myself a damn purpose though.
I know, I'll just tell someone to hook me. I'll

(43:48):
just keep it you after going bowling to get a strike. Yeah,
the Gold Bowl in three hundred, I walk in and
they should do that. They fucking NASCAR. But I can't
believe that they had a million dollar to win race
for a legend's car. Yeah it was. I don't know
if it was. I'm pretty sure it is a million
to win. I'm pretty sure that's what it was, because

(44:10):
it was a huge deal. It was the all they
used to run it during the so the All Star
weekend weekend they do there. They did it in like
the middle of that whole weekend. Yeah, when all the
NASCAR fans were there. I'm pretty sure that's when they
used to do it. I fireman, that's fucking crazy, dude. Yeah, yeah,
you got fucking fourteen. I got to race for fifteen hundred.
Where's my million to win race? What are you talking about?

(44:33):
I've only done the band honey, I raced for an
alleged car was fifteen hundred. Oh oh so what oh
so you were down there in a bando Yeah, oh okay,
so okay, all right, that makes sense. Holy shit, Yeah
a million, a million fucking dollars a legend car. Well,
that's about what they cost to operate nowadays. So I
guess they probably started doing it. I ain't. That's fucking crazy.

(44:55):
If you like look at it now, it was like
holy shit, like yeah, because what year was that? Well,
you did we go down there? It had to have
been like twenty twelve to like twenty sixteen area time,
so like, yeah, they must have they must have found
a fucking spot. Well, that's that's when they were, Well,
I'm pretty sure it was. I don't remember who sponsored it,

(45:16):
think No, No, that was Daniel Hemmer's sponsor was Longhorns. No,
I don't think it was Bojet No, because bo Jangles
was after Jack in the Box. I don't even know
man Party's. Yeah, sure, Sonic, one of the southern sounding
down there, fucking put up a million dollars to watch
fourteen to thirty year olds fucking hammer the shit out

(45:37):
of each other for a million dollars. Speak of that.
Since we're talking about down there. We went down there,
and I'm used to seeing kids running Bandellero car. It's
a fucking lifestyle go down there in the Outlaw Division. Yeah,
you can't. Like if I were to get into a
Bandalero car now my head, you couldn't close the roof.
The roof flap would be up my home, it would
be sticking out there was like thirty year old men
racing bandelleros down there full time. Was the weirdest thing

(45:59):
I've ever seen. Were they tall? Oh yeah, yeah, they
used to. They used to not bother them about their
heads sticking out the roof like they would stick over
the cage. And they used to not bother them like
a would be. They would be flapping in the wind
going on straight away because they're not latch. It was crazy,
that's fucking no. Yeah, I'm all set. It was down there.

(46:20):
It's it's uh, that's not a hobby. No, no, lifestyle,
that's what you said. It's a fucking lifestyle down there.
I mean those boys free on sleep, fucking racing anywhere
they can. They'll race our sea cars and have fist
fights to Applebee's about the ship. Waffle House Sorry, yeah,
waffle House sonic Uh Checkers, I don't think Checkers was around.

(46:41):
How you get my point? They down there though, it's
a lot of fun going down there when it's not
a wreckfest. Well yeah, no, they put on great shows
down it's the competition's crazy, that's for sure. Like I
will say, the tightest competition I've ever raced against was
it was twenty What year did we go down for
the nationals Karter County twenty nineteen I think or twenty

(47:02):
twenty twenty nineteen. We went down this track called Carteret County.
It was on the coast of North Carolina we're talking about. Yeah,
we were in the Pro Division at this point. It
was my founal year in Legend Cars and showed up
there was third Legends. Now yeah, yeah, have we been
talking about Legends? No, we're talking about just down self, Okay,
keep going, Yeah okay. I was like, holy shit, hold

(47:23):
on they had I was like, these beers are fucking no.
We went there because we were competing for the title,
but I had to win it. I had to win
it to even get get the title. And we were
like twenty eighth quick and we were only three tenths
slower than the leader. We were twenty eighth quick. Holy shit. Yeah,

(47:45):
it was the tightest competition I've ever seen and ever
been a part of. People always say the Pro Division
and the Legend Cars are the best of the best
that do it, and they aren't kidding. You go to
Nationals and it is quite literally, they're the only division
that all thirty are within half a second of each other. Yeah,
if you're going down to race against fucking people, you
better bring your fucking shit. Well. The thing is is

(48:06):
like you're going down there to run a young Lions race.
It's like you're racing brand new kids, like that's what
it is. So you get a kind of a diverse.
I guess you could say roster for the young lions.
You'll get You'll get a kid that's extremely fast and
can lay down blistering laps consistently, and then you get
one that can lay down one fast lap and the
reds start about half seconds slower and he's getting lapped.

(48:28):
Oh shit. But the Pro division, though, it was completely different.
I mean, it was a lot of guys that were really,
really good. Well that's what I mean, Like, it's just
it's what that's why you guys are in the fucking
Pro division. I'm glad I did it when I did
because a lot of the guys I was doing it with,
like Carson Ferguson, at this point, they were trying to
run the twelve fifty cc motor out of the legend cars.
To put the FCO nine in. This track was definitely

(48:49):
in favor of the FCO nine motor. Carson Ferguson did
not care. I mean that kid was on an old
twelve fifty with Lottigaut Motorsports and was absolutely waxing everybody,
and everyone was on the FCO nines and I tell you,
you go down there, there's they soak tires in the open.
They do not care. I was so surprised, Oh yeah,
it's open. Well no, but they're doing it right in

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front of Tech Tech didn't even care. I was like,
what in the world is going on? Like they were
wide in the wide open, like in front of their trailer,
you know, you said they were what was the Legend
division called it was the Pro Division. Oh okay, I
thought it was like the wide open Pro Division or something.
They were just soaking tires in the wide open down there,

(49:32):
and in fact that's what they lived by. And it
was crazy to me though, because up here, if you
even have announce a simple green on your tires, they
will derometer your tire and they will DQ you right there.
Down there though, they have tire cleaners. You can put
your tires in it and they're like putting like prep
in the mix to clean with prep. And I was like,
and they're getting away with this stuff. So like we

(49:55):
had we were so bad that weekend. We were terrible,
and I remember qualifying and rolled around and we ended
up like you're not allowed to run wheel spacers, but
we're like I'm sitting there watching tech as qualifyings coming
like the cars are coming off track rolling through and
they're not doing anything but checking. Wait, we start throwing
wheel spaceers on and doing all this screwed up stuff,
trying to get something, and we went slower. We went slower.

(50:17):
I don't know, man, we missed it good time. So
here comes race day and I didn't have to run
the concert or the be Main or whatever I chose to,
just because we sucked so badly. More track time and
so on those I'm sure you remember looking at it.
You the like the bolt holes for the shocks and
the rear shocks. Yeah, they went straight through. The threads

(50:37):
went straight through. We ended up taking our shocks and
going from being mounted outboard to mounting them inboard. That
changed our whole thing right there. And I went out
for the Race of Champions and I was like something
had lit up. Okay, and I'm now okay, yeah, okay,
and it had took off from that point. I remember
we're sitting in the sitting in the pits and this

(50:58):
kid Caleb killed Heady I think is his name? Yeah,
I know who you're talking about him? And what's that
other kid's name on the late Model stock tour hate
they own Southern National Mike Michael Diaz. Is it Michael Diaz,
Mason Mason Diaz, You were close, Mason Diaz. It was
him killed Hetty, like a lot of guys that are

(51:18):
in the late model stocks. Yeah. Yeah. We're all standing
there talking and they're like, yeah, where are you starting?
And they're all talking. Then kill Books and me, He's
like where you start? And I'm like twenty seventh And
I'm like I'll be up there at the end though,
and he like kind of chuckled. I'm like, man, ouch,
this is the back of the Chandler Smith and all
that shit, this same race or no, no, okay, keep
going up. And so I remember we had gone out

(51:40):
and I just start just going on a tear through
the field, like getting to the front. Yeah. Yeah. And
there were so many cautions though, So what I started
doing was when they start crossing you up anytime, I
knew I was going to be on the outside of
the state on the inside, because there it was flat
track was pretty much flat topped in more so, I
ended up making my way up to did yell at you? No,
I made my way to fifth from twenty seventh. I

(52:03):
made my way to fifth. Yeah, and I was right
behind cale Eddy after he kind of just basically told
me you're not going to get to the front. And
it was I think there was like five or four
laught to go, and all I remember I come over
the radio. I'm like, listen, man, I'm gonna I'm not
gonna let I'm just I'm gonna drive through them. That's
what I got to do to win the race. And
so I was gonna do that if we did had
a greenwhite checker and I was sitting third. Yeah, yeah,

(52:24):
So green flag drops and I we come out of
turn two and I just instantly went three wide to
the bottom of Calee Eddy and I man, it was
just such a good feeling just being like, you know,
you just laughed at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, say, And
I'm not going to get up here, and I'm passing
you right now for third. How does that feel? So
the caution comes out and this is green white checkered

(52:45):
at this point, and that's when I was like, all right,
I'm just gonna move them. Green flag drops. I go
to shift No. One's home ah, and nobody lifted. Oh.
We were selling the car after that too, to I
don't remember who was they were supposed to buy and
they ended up backing out. But now we've come home.
The body fucking shit, I hope. So so we fixed it.

(53:08):
We had fixed it, and then the guy still had
backed out even after we fixed it, like ah, and
he did it to us multiple times though, I'll fuck him.
So we get all we are and this body is
in like shambles. There's like chunks and pieces missing out
of it. My left ear is like kicked ford a
whole buck. Yeah. I get out of the car. I
wasn't even mad. I had such a big smile on
my face. I'm like, damn, that sucks. Yeah. Yeah. And

(53:30):
at the time I had spot her that we had
down there was in a seventy five foot scissor lift
in the middle of the racetrack because that's the only
way you could spot because you couldn't see over the
other fucking stacker. Yeah, you know what, It's like, that's
the biggest fucking pet peeve I have of it. Because
they have that same problem at fucking Hickory because they
fucking stand there and turn four and you don't see
him in turn one. We had the same problem at

(53:52):
fucking Richmond because then all of a sudden we can't
see over the stackers. We have the same problem when
we go to New Hampshire Motor Speedway for still spotting
for practice and we're sitting in the stands, we still
have that same problem. It's just I totally get why
people want a stacker trailer. I think it's great. I
think it's awesome. I've absolutely passed out drunken one a
great time. But at the same time, they are really

(54:15):
right in the fucking way. No, I'm not surprised that
he was in a suit of left and well. So well, well,
let me let me give a little backstory on that
actually and why he was actually in the not the
spotter stamp. So he walked out on the st as
a lift. We had gone what he lucked out to
getting on this locked out? I thought, he said, I
thought you said he locked out, And I'm like, oh shit,
someone hit the EA, so fucking up there. We had

(54:38):
got down there. Yeah, and we were at this very
nice house on the water, and so we walked down
to the dock and we're like, who's jumping in? And
it was cold, and he's like, I'll do it. I'm like,
all right, go ahead. He's the first one to jump in.
He was the last one to jump in. At that
there was a concrete pillar about two feet underneath the
water that you couldn't see. He ended up breaking his

(54:59):
leg the first night in North Carolina, so he had
snapped his like femur or something like that, and he
from there on was limping around and crutches and the spotterstand.
You know with spotter stands, kids, that's why you swim
in swimming pools when yeah, yeah, don't swim in the
uh the water down there. No, don't do that either

(55:20):
with that ship. Well said you have you been to
Carter County before? Yes, so you know the spotterstand how
it's like this to get up it's like a ladder. Yeah,
he got up there with they broken leg and crutches,
was first even when I went up there. Oh oh
he was too he uh. And then afterwards he ended
up getting into the Sizzle lift because uh, Kyle Beattie

(55:42):
Racing they had it and they were like, yeah, you
can come up, so he go. He brought a whole
scissor lift. A lot of teams did. Actually, so far
we got a long depot in the middle of the
fucking infield exactly and we got a fucking roofing job
over there to the left, so not enough but to
get it over to look around a fucking goddamn stacking trailer.

(56:04):
There's fucking three fucking people and fucking three different They
should have add scissor left race. Oh my god, Jesus Christ,
sizzle lipt rass. That might be a new thing. We're
not gonna do that. We're not going to bad ship.
I know those things turning radius, it ain't good. It's
a lot of backup. It would. Yeah, definitely one of

(56:26):
those fucking things. Fucking yeah, that's a new one, man.
I never heard that, Desmond. If you got a scissor lift,
we're doing this trailer right the plastic weekend in the campground. Yeah, yeah,
well just fucking oh yeah. I should have done that
last year when I was when I was kicked out,
they just brought a scissor lift. Fuck. But no, I'm

(56:47):
glad to be back, and I know there's a big
race for you guys at the beginning of the year,
and I'm fucking pumped for that. I am, and we're
gonna go down this rabbit hole. But I do definitely
want to get your story here I remember where I'm at.
We are still. We were in Bandos then we want
to got legends. Well, Bandos quick rundown on that we
just r We ran four years and very successful four years.

(57:09):
Yeah yeap. And then our sponsor ended up buying our
legend car from Texas. My car came from Texas. Oh yeah,
there you go everywhere. Man, it's crazy being on this
doing this podcast. Shit, it's so crazy to see how
much of an innerloop it is from all different states. Well,
I shit, you know. The craziest thing is is you

(57:31):
know what they cost now to buy one right race ready?
They're like nineteen grand to buy a race ready legend car.
We got ours for sixty five hundred bucks. Keep them,
you can keep them. Yeah, we got ours for sixty
five hundred bucks. That's not bad. That's well, it was
a toilet. This thing was an absolute toilet when we
got it. I mean, not in good shape whatsoever, like
bent or like just don't was it ben I think

(57:53):
the rear end was Yeah, they're known. Yeah, all I
know is it definitely got bent. At Waterford. You know
that that was a fun one. First time to Waterford
was our last time at Waterford yeah, So how was
your first impressions on Waterford? We ended up two wheels,
driver's side door first into the turn one wall. Yep,
that wasn't fun. And then the track worker was running

(58:15):
up to me to make sure I was okay and
tripped face planet and knocked himself out. They safety crew
didn't even come to me. They started taking care of him. Meanwhile,
I can't get out of my car because my door
is jammed up against the wall and there's another car
jammed up against my other door. So I'm trapped in
my car watching the track safety worker getting help from

(58:36):
the track safety workers.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
I mean, so I'm laughing because if no one's ever
been to Waterford, I'm not fucking surprised to get this
kind of shit.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
I love the place. I absolutely love everybody there. I
think Waterford's so fucking awesome. It was it was something.
It was quite the experience, and that was my last
time back. If you've never been to Waterford, please go
to Waterford. It's a bunch of fun. I absolutely love it.
I love they're great, it's a great race shreck. I
love the absolutely love I don't think I was all right,

(59:10):
bud fun. I don't even remember it. All I know
is I was pretty mad because my car was now
twisted and our trip to Waterford did not go very good.
Well yeah, well yeah, but you just to watch some
guy knock himself out. So I don't even remember. I
just remember watching it happen. Yeah, I just don't remember
anything after that. It's just kind of a highlight in
my head because it was like you've never seen you

(59:31):
never see something like that, you know, But yeah, that was, uh,
that was something. My first year in the Legend car
was quite the struggle. That was when I became good
friends with Bob Weymouth as well. Okay, yeah, we were
pretty good friends with Bob Weymouth. Uh he My first
race in Nell car was that Star speed by, Yeah,

(59:54):
and I ended up racing Bob Weymouth for fourth place,
and he was blocking me so bad. It was. It
was terrible. It's terrible. He was blocking me for ten
to fifteen laps. So I said, screw it, I'm going
to the top. So I went to the top. I
ran around him on the top for the last ten
laps and he'd come off the racetrack and he didn't
come talk to me and went up to my dad
and he's like, your son's got some big balls. That

(01:00:15):
was the first thing he said to him. And after that, like,
we became really good friends with Bob, and he would
tell me every time. He's like, you let me know
or he he said, let me know, or I'll let
you know which lane to take when you get to me.
When you're when you're passing me, it doesn't matter if
you laugh me or passing me for the lead, I'll
point you go that way. He's like, I'll just hold
everyone else up. He was. He was a good dude.

(01:00:36):
He like when I first met him, I thought he
was really out of the box because he was funny
as shit. First thing, the first time I met him,
he'scussing someone out and me and doesn't just standing there
like Bob Wait, Bob Weymouth was the reason I enjoyed
coming to Olcar so much. I mean, Bob was a
wopped out a lot of racers too well. He yeah,
he helped out a lot of races when his own

(01:00:57):
stuff could have used that help. I mean exactly, But
he was just out there. That's how he was. I
wouldn't say he was having fun, but I mean maybe
he was because he kept showing up. But every week
and take he'd say, I'm done quit. I never heard Yeah,
maybe I found maybe I found him at a different
you know, and maybe I found him at a different time.
But you got a good Bob. Well, usually he was
just happy. He was just happy to be there and

(01:01:18):
like he wasn't he'd be mad if someone ran through him,
because he'd be mad for anything. Though. Yeah, but that's
when like the hot sauce hit the tongue and fucking everything,
you know what I mean. So my last year, my
last race ever in a legend car on Classic weekend
last year, Yeah, Bob Weymouth was freaking out, screaming at
everyone and he hadn't even got hit yet. It was
just because we couldn't get more than five laps in

(01:01:39):
because everyone was raving like boneheads. So he's in the
pits screaming about shit. Sorry, keep going about how just
like there's no respect and stuff like that. He's screaming
it was bad, but you know, say, oh, I'm not
coming back, and everyone just back see you next week, Bob.
Sure enough, he'd roll in after the two rounds of practice.
He'd be there just in time for heat races unloading

(01:02:01):
his race car again. I mean he was uh he
was something. He was, he was cool. I enjoyed him
a lot, though. I totally get it, and I would
understand why he's yelling at everybody because you all look
like shit when the fucking feature looks like shit and
you guys all look at it. Yeah, I don't disagree.
I totally understand the aggressiveness. But some people, this is

(01:02:23):
all This is one thing that I want to touch
on at some point. Yeah, no one's a big picture
racer anymore. They just they don't look big picture and
they're just thinking in the moment. Like that's the biggest
problem with like a lie. I know, they just they
don't they don't think. You know, maybe if I wait
one more lap, you know, I could get him the
next lap not have to worry about tearing something up.

(01:02:43):
And then I guys go on and these kids are
just like Nope, We're just gonna run right through them.
And that's how it is. Shout out to Connor Jones. Yeah,
I fuck that kid, but it's just it's just, uh no,
I totally understand, And like that goes back to like
the whole respect thing. You can sit there and set
some guy up. You don't have to drive through him.
Well if you, if he blocks you, I get it now.

(01:03:05):
The thing is is, like I understand, moving someone is
if you know, three laps goes by and you are
like four or five tenths quicker at that point. The
way I look at it, I'm over here running a
one hundred and fifty lap race, right if I am
substantially faster than you and were on lap twenty four eleventh,
just move over. Yeah, why are we racing this hard?
You're just holding up a guy and all you're gonna
do is make him mad, and he's gonna remember that.

(01:03:26):
And like one person that I owe one to is
Max Cookson. You know Max cools You know he showed
up to Lee and this kid, I swear he made
my life a living helen go karts, and I remember
him just being a little punk, you know, and he
shows up and he's completely different kid, completely grown up, matured,
and we'd go. We went out on track and I'm

(01:03:47):
thinking to myself, man, he's just gonna give me a
hard time. I get to him, he just moves out
of the way and lets me go. Oh, so the
owe him one is a good thing. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah,
it's not about it. I was like, what the fuck Max?
Just do he just let the kowiki god like next,
fuck you? That's what I mean by big picture racings.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, thinking because now down the road,

(01:04:08):
if he catches me, yeah, you best believe I'm just
gonna move over him. Yeah, unless we're racing for a
substantial amount of money and it's like five to go,
I'm not letting you go. Oh, I get that, like
all situational things. So if you guys are running two
hundred and fifty lass or one hundred laps, you don't
have to fucking hit doors on that team to get down.
And that's the thing, and a lot of guys just
are not. I very rarely see that. I think, you know,

(01:04:31):
Max Cookson, that that's a good thing that he does
that stuff, because you know, that earns a lot of respect.
But I only really see like the you know, Joey Pole,
Derek Griffith, I only really see those types of guys
doing that stuff. And like occasionally, other than the two fifty,
a lot of guys do it in the two fifty
because it's such a long race. Yeah, I mean it's
the same time. Yeah, there's some people that just go

(01:04:54):
full out, and I'm like, fucking hold on. Joe Passtoor
when he went and won a whole bunch of lap
money last year or was that was that this year?
Last year? I don't remember when it was. It was
last year. I think he just went all out and yeah, yeah, yeah,
he went a bunch of laps. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
I was smart. He got a lot of money from that. Yeah.
I got to give that a try, got it, man.
I mean it's definitely one of those things. And I

(01:05:16):
think it's cool that they do the lap money ship
because that's on top of the whole purse altogether. And
then absolutely, I mean, when you're spending ten thousand dollars
on tire, I hope there's lap money. Yeah, well, no,
I get that. No, I totally trust me. I don't
even know, Like, yeah, I'm looking at these tires, I
know I can't even fucking afford them, and they're all
blued out. So but so Legends Cars, he did all

(01:05:42):
that stuff, and did he win a championship in that too?
Yeah yeah, yeah, I just I think it was just one.
I mean, we only ran points one year for nel Car,
and we almost got screwed out of that one. We
went on a tear that year. And the problem was
with nel Car when I was doing it, is you'd
if you win, you gotta start the tail end in

(01:06:02):
the feature race, but you still got to race the
heat race. So make me start. Why don't they just
make me start tailing the heat race and that'll determine
my spot, my start spot for the feature. Don't know
mandicaps to me, just but the way the handicap it was,
it was their version of it. It made no sense
to me. It wasn't like, don't I probably just shouldn't

(01:06:23):
heat raced, honestly, But well they did it well, they
did that. They did they did it messed up. They
did it messed up. But at this time it wasn't
you know, Kevin Gerrard and everyone liked that running it.
It was I think ed Getty and all them, the
older gentlemen that were running it. We had went up
to Speedway ninety five was our last race of the year,
and at this time the that's deep well, the new

(01:06:44):
car President's car was second in points, pretty close to us,
And no, this wasn't the last Race Star was the
last race right after that, so we went up there,
went up all the way to bangor showed up and
I love that race track. It was the top side,
an legend card. You had to run the top side
and you had a slid job someone to pass them. Well,
here comes the handicap again. Go figure, I have to

(01:07:06):
start tail end of the field. I drove and I
think it was like twelve laps or something like that.
In a little under halfway, I was sitting P three
and h friend of ours, what are you yelling about
the starting lass? If you're fucking an eleven laps or whatever,
you get up to fucking P three because it was
some of the people that I that were in the
mix on your way through. Just made it a little
paint gotcha. Yeah. And I remember Kevin Burgess, I think

(01:07:30):
was his name. Were We were a good friends with him,
but he tried to use a lap car as a
pick on me. I didn't move, so he just came
across my nose and he didn't. We didn't even actually touch,
to be honest with you. We went back and watched
goprofoot and she's like, I don't even think you touched me,
but no car thought I'd dumped them. Yeah, they black
or they didn't black flag me. They pulled me into
the pits. They were like, ninety car, come through first

(01:07:51):
stop like a stop and go or something like that.
You need to be spoken to. So I come in.
I just put my hands out the window. I'm like,
what did I do? You know? And and uh so
they send me back out. They didn't even talk to me.
They sent me back out when they were coming to
the green on the backstretch and you know where the
entrance is, it's turned four. Yeah, so I'm coming out
and they're coming to green. So I spun myself out,

(01:08:12):
like I'm not gonna run that distance. That's messed up.
So I spun myself out. Yeah, black flag me, black
flag me. You know, I ended up getting get like
one of those NASCAR guys that used to their fucking
poam pattering out the window. Yeah. I throw a lot
of bottle out and on debris, gotcha. You know that
That almost screwed us out of the championship that year.
And then we went to Star and laid down a clinic, yeah,

(01:08:35):
and won and then won the championship. And then after
that we just did a lot of points racing. So
we'd just show up to Sea Conk for the opener,
we win the opener, show up for the closer, win
the closer, and just that. Those were the only two
Sea Conk races we'd run. Yeah, and made a lot
of people mad doing it that way, because they'd go
in test week in week out. We'd show up on
a women just clean house and leave. I wanted you
to know your ship. You know your shit, yep. I mean,

(01:08:56):
I don't need all these damn practice labs. You just
need to get a set up down. Well, that's the
thing in a legend car was set to forget it.
He barely messed with it. Jesus Christ, not for us.
But I totally understand that we got tore like I not. Yeah, no,
it was we did not well. I understand that though,
because we were at that point once we were chasing
that thing. Every single time we touched the track, we

(01:09:17):
were chanting the spring, doing a cross adjustment, we were
doing something stupid. I stopped touching it. I was like,
anything I do, You're just ship. I mean, it was
just done. It was I'm trying to legend cars was
something Yeah, yeah, I had a lot of fun in
the legendso for a while, like the one kid that
I didn't get along with in Legend cars, but I

(01:09:39):
do kind of now we talk when you know we're
at the track. We don't really raise each other anymore,
so I think that might be why, you know, we
aren't going at each other's throats. Was Derek Blue Chalky,
me and him, we'd go down to it. It's a
good ship. We went down to Sea Konk and I
just remember it was a Wednesday show and I don't
even know what started it. He just started driving through me.
And at this point, I'm like getting really mad. I

(01:10:01):
did nothing right Legend. This was the one person that
like I was really confused with because I never talked
to him Legends. Yeah, okay, keep going. Yeah. And so
we had gone down for that Wednesday race and he's
just running through me, and then I Ron got there.
At one point, I just I come over the radio
and I'm like, I'm just gonna wreck this kid. And
we went off into turn one because I was now

(01:10:21):
sitting behind him and fourth and I never lifted. Then
the caution. The caution came out. Yeah, I went through.
I went into turn one. I just grabbed gears right
off the chip, right on the rev limitter all the
way through the turn, following him up to the fence.
Caution came out and I lifted. I'm like, all right, whatever,
what probably one worth that anyway. But now I now,
you know, we're at the racetrack, we shoot the breeze

(01:10:41):
and we talk and we talk about I talked to
him a lot about his act stuff, because you know
that kid, he's killing it on the ACT tour. He's
oh act yeah, he said, acts. No, the Act tour, Okay,
keep going. He's killing What the funk about axes? You
throw axes on the weekend? Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, no acting.
He's been doing pretty yeah, lot of shit. Did you
see his winnings for this year. They listened on Facebook. Now,

(01:11:03):
they listened on Facebook, like the winnings that he has
got from this year, and it was like forty thousand dollars.
Totally not bad for act man. We're running the wrong cars,
we're not going down there. We're not get me in
fuck con trouble. But I will tell you that. No
and super La models, they have their own niche to it.

(01:11:26):
But I think act is definitely one of the biggest
growing division. That's Oh yeah, I didn't know. I mean
I remember when I like, when I used to watch him,
there was not as many as there is now. I
mean there's a lot of them. And the thing is
because they run them now local at mostly every short track. Like,
I think that was the best thing that happened to
him because a lot of people adapted to their rules
and then everybody can run it. Yeah, you know what

(01:11:48):
I mean. It makes it It makes it good for
them because it can allow a lot more people to
do it. You know. Yeah, we were talking about doing
that route. I don't know why we went the hardest
route right away. Have a fucking dry so that's what
you said. Yeah, yeah, and here we are with a
with a crate motor, big power. You know, we were

(01:12:10):
talking before this, so I was giving ship was run though. Yeah,
you should be at the snowball that's paused right now.
I'm actually at the snowball right now running. Yep. That's
good in my dreams though. Yeah, I can't afford to
get down there, but it's a bucket listening. I'd love
to try it at least once. You know, maybe you
have to keep trying it. Yeah, I want to make
it in. Let me tell you, it's like speed Weeks,

(01:12:34):
all right, all your eggs in a basket, you go
down there and you hope for the best. Yep. That's
it's definitely one of the best competitive late model races
that we have around here. That is pretty big, Like
as a race is alone, they bring in the good crowd.
But same with Snowball Derby. You're you're racing against cup guys,

(01:12:55):
You're racing against well people from Wisconsin. Yeah, that's why
I want to do it. It's just it's a crazy
amount of people you're racing against, and a lot of
very well knowledged drivers, yeah, who are very seasoned. Not
a lot. I mean you have your typical boneheads and everything, right, Yeah. Yeah,
it's more just knowledge knowledgeable guys. Yeah. Yeah, Snowball because
they make it in all the kind of the boneheads

(01:13:16):
get shuffled out in the in the be mains and
stuff like that. But well, yeah, you got to keep
your ship. Yeah, it's it's a bucket listing that the
two fifty. I mean, I don't really want to run
the two fifty. My dad wants to do it more
than I do so, I guess you know, we got
to try it at some point. I'd rather go and
run the Slinger National. I mean, that's wicked cool to me.
You fuckers go to Slinger You guys better get a
hold of me. I want to go. I want to

(01:13:38):
go that place. Like that place looks awesome. The weirdest
thing about that and we're rambling here, but I totally
I totally understandable. The only weird thing about that fucking
place is that like they race on like a Tuesday
or a Wednesday? Do they really they literally run on
a Tuesday or Wednesday. That's it's strange to me because
when they do the Slinger Nationals, it's like Tuesday or
some shit like that. Yeah, that's a little that's not

(01:14:00):
the weekend. Yeah. I literally had to take day off
from work and watch it. I think it's I think
it's that track. I believe it was that Really that's
messed up. I think so, huh. I think they run
fucking Tuesday up there. Take an next time. Someone can
help me out here. I know you guys are watching
right now on Facebook. You guys can help me out.
I think it's fucking Tuesday or Wednesday. They run midweek

(01:14:22):
and they don't give a ship. It's one that ends
with why that's yeah exactly. As long as I'm there,
I'm happy. I want I definitely want to try out that. Well,
not try out. Oh you're driving this year? Fuck no,
well take your time, right, yeah, you know, definitely go
back review your notes about the birds and the bees
and uh uh yeah, yeah, I know they're expensive. Boom boom. Man.

(01:14:47):
He takes priority when I can get him under wraps
and he's good and anybody he can he can drive
the car. Yeah, perfect, that's fine. Yeah, he's already sat
in a super Late Models I mean a Late Model
Act and then the Super Relations that's all. I'm down
for it. But so I'm game, man, Okay, I've seen
some of these racers that climb out of that damn car.

(01:15:08):
It looked like this same height as Sky twelve year
old that just qualified really well in the modifieds. He
was like twelve or thirteen years old and he just
ran a racing qualified on the pole or something like that.
You're talking about poly Hartwig the third, Yeah, that's crazy
to me. The same kid that won North Wolkesboro both day.
He won those he won north Oldest. Is he thirteen?

(01:15:32):
He's like, yeah, I think he's close. I think he's
close to that age. I follow him. I literally after
North Wilkesboro went and bought a hat. Yeah that's that's impressive.
You know, not a lot of young kids can do that.
He's very well coached with his dad doing the stuff,
so he's really he's a really good talent. He's really cool.
And like Carson Lofton and and a lot of other guys,

(01:15:52):
when they did the North Wolkesboro stuff, they they were
pretty good. They were definitely a show to watch. So
they were definitely uh cool, you know what I mean.
It's cool to see. So yeah, I went and bought
a hat and all that stuff. Yeah, that kid's pretty cool.
I was supposed to go down there last year to
go like interviewing, but New Jersey's pretty far. Yeah. I
went down there in April and I went to we

(01:16:14):
only went down to watching supercross and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah,
And I remember the drive was horrible and I said,
I'm never doing this again. The amount of car crashes
I saw on my way down was insane. Smells worse,
and there I was so work it didn't even smell.
I remember smelling though, going down you know, the highway
to get down to Florida, so it reaked going through
New Jersey. I also don't like the fact that you
have to have someone pump your gas for you. That's

(01:16:35):
a little strange to me. I don't care. I didn't
want to get out of the car anyway. You can
sit there and do it. I don't get so they
put diesel in your gas job, right, I mean, you
never know what you're gonna get from one of those
workers down there. You just never know the fuck did
you encounter? Oh dude, some mess up so so funny enough.
When I was down there, Yeah, I had ended up

(01:16:56):
running into where we were sitting in the grand stands.
I ran into hold on that time out real quick.
If you guys ever watched the Slinger Nationals Tuesday and Wednesday,
because now that's fucking with me, Kate. They haven't they
haven't told you, no, No, we're still waiting. We're still waiting. Yeah,
I was down Jersey and I'm sitting next to this
girl and her boyfriend and they just start talking. Yeah,
turns out she used to date Devin O'Connell. She she

(01:17:17):
knew me and I had no clue who she was.
That's the best thing. But what what are the odds
of that? Though? You go down to Jersey for supercross
and now you're sitting next to someone who's into short
track racing and they know you. I mean, that's it was.
It was definitely strange, but never again while I go
to Jersey though. Yeah, I was about to say something,
but then I was like, hold on a second, I
can't say that anyway. So Legends cars and then you

(01:17:37):
jumped into a super limail right after yep. Okay, so
here's a big question. How how did this whole thing
come about? Did you guys go buy a car? Did
you guys build a car? How did that car? How
did your first car? Because I don't know if this
is the same car. No, okay, so it's not the
same car. We had originally bought in t Rex from Austin, Tario.
That's the car that we had. Yeah, yeah, we paid

(01:18:00):
awful lot of money for it. I tell you that
car had no raw speed, but the long run speeding
that thing, man, was crazy. I mean, you could run
one hundred laps and the thing is just it just
got faster, you know it was. It was a good car,
but I don't think we were gonna win a race
with it. It wasn't that good to win a race, you know,

(01:18:20):
top threes consistently, sure, but winning a race on outright
raw speed would never have happened with that thing. And
I remember at the end of the year at Waterford,
we had run really really, really good and I think
it was it was Ray Christian and Corey Boubar ended
up getting into a really hard wreck and it destroyed
Ray Christian's car. And so then the third yeah, then

(01:18:42):
this car, you got to mention fucking hack. It keeps
on ye so crazy horse. At the time, it was
when they were transitioning to Port City, they had built
a brand new car for someone I'm gonna say who,
and that that person had had him build a brand
new race ready race car, and then at the end

(01:19:04):
of it backed out and went and bought three different
cars from his different manufacturer. So they left him with
this car and we ended up getting our hands on
it from a for a pretty good deal after the
end of the year because Ray ran that car for
the end of that year. Because his car was what
was the name of his car. What do you call Paulie.
Paulie was destroyed. Yeah, yeah, it was not a pretty rap.

(01:19:25):
Fucking interviewed the guy. He didn't even bring up Paulie. Wow,
that's pretty messed up. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He
has a car too, trying to figure out. I mean
he won a lot of races in that car. Yeah.
I once you get married, you lose two tenths. So hey,
I was. I was just happy today when uh, when
Ray Christian showed up, when he showed up to Claremont

(01:19:47):
last year and I was faster than him, I made
sure I gave him some ship because you know, he
was always faster than me, and I finally, you know,
got to rag on him. Bro, he's a good ship.
Definitely cool dude. During COVID that year when we were
racing my first year in the Super eight Models, Yeah,
I'd met Ray and all of them, and it then

(01:20:09):
it turned into me TJ Larrow, Ray Ray's brother, JJ Pickin,
I'll be ov it. We're all just playing Reckfest. Like
we had a whole group of us playing Reckfest and
it was the most fun I've ever had play because
I was just it was so dude, Ray on on
On there was. He doesn't strike me as someone that

(01:20:30):
would have no oh no, oh no. I remember playing
with him and TJ and and all of us. Oh
my god, what a ryot. That one so much fun.
We had a group chat on Facebook and we'd all
just we'd all just hop on there. At one point,
one person would send a message, Hey, does anyone play
next thing? You know, all eleven of us are on there.
It was It was something. It was a it was

(01:20:52):
a fun time. I was glad to, you know, be
friends with Ray when he was racing and everything, because
he's a character. Oh yeah, no, no doubt he's anytime
you see him, and just ask him if he's scared.
That's his favorite line to say to anybody. Are you scared?
Ask him about it? What was it? The chrome wheels? Right,
Either they gave him like two tenths or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:21:12):
and Mickey was so mad about him. I'm pretty sure
it wasn't. I think Mickey hated the chrome wheels or
something like that. Someone hated him and got so mad
when Ray wanted him, and and they definitely didn't give
him two tenths. But now they were they were a
fun group to be around. They made my first year
pretty enjoyable. They were just fun to hang out with

(01:21:33):
and shoot the breeze with, and and uh Mickey and
you know, the whole Green family. They're they're good people
and they were fun to hang around with, very funny people. Uh.
But they gave us a pretty good deal in the
car we have now, which is a port city car
and at the time when we got it only had
four races on it. We got it as a roller,
took the motor and transmission out of t Rex and
raffled t Rex off. I don't know where that car

(01:21:53):
is now. All I know is whoever has it has
a good piece and they don't know what all right,
Facebook alb As. I'm mad at Albi for selling it.
He wouldn't have got who it was. Yeah, I don't
know who he got it off of, but yeah he
got off of Dennis Dumas. Wasn't it ken is It?

(01:22:15):
Ken is It won the rapping, so that was messed up.
So we're doing a raffling. At the time, TJ Lara
was my my spotter, so TJ buys raffle tickets and
Ken is It. At the time, they were friends. And
so I'm pulling the pills and I pulled one of
TJ's numbers. I'm like, oh, thank god, now we're getting
the last few pills. McMahon, I haven't pulled tj second number.
This is gonna look, this is going to look rigged.

(01:22:38):
The last two numbers, the second to last one was
TJ's and the last one was TJ's friend Ken. Yeah,
Ken is it? Yeah? And I man if I pulled TJ's,
oh my gosh, I probably couldn't have said who won
it on the live because we would have gotten absolutely
torn apart saying it was rigged. I mean I get it.

(01:23:00):
That thought wins a car. I mean I've seen it. Yeah,
that was uh that was something. So yeah, no, now
I know where it is. I don't know who he
sold it to, but you know, alb he's very hush
hush about everything that Yeah. So yeah, I try and
get him to every time I see him a star
when we go testing, I try and get him to drive.
He won't do it. He's like scared he's going to

(01:23:20):
destroy the car. Yeah, Ray needs to have a pep
talk with him, right hey, listen, listen, are that's what
he says, I love Ray, but I think I watched
Ray change an awful lot of body panels on a
car when I was doing my rookie season in the
Grandity Pro Stocks. Here. He's definitely doing a lot better now,
oh absolutely, but I remember watching him. I remember I
think it was him and Angelo Belcito went at it

(01:23:41):
pretty good. Yeah. At Claremont he ended up turning Angelo
right around for I think it was like a ten
thousand dollars win race. He just flat out turned him around.
That was something. They were running each other really hard though.
I mean Ray would get under him and then Angel
would just jack him up. So Ray would jack him up,
and they were just doring each other and what in

(01:24:03):
the world is going on then and then all of
a sudden, here comes Ray. He just didn't lift and
a round goes Belsiedo. I'm like, wow, this is getting dirty.
I mean, if they're fucking bold entertaining the factor of
running running into each I was just happy to be there.
Oh no, I get that, like you got to see
a front row seat. I always enjoyed those, So like, hey,

(01:24:24):
go fucking meat the ship at each other. I don't care.
I ain't in it about that. So TJ spotted for
me for two years. So yeah, first race rolls around
at Claremont. We were we were sporty, we were fast.
We end up qualifying like fourth in my first ever
race and Read drew second and TJ and me, you know,
we got a little lancey and TJ was kind of

(01:24:44):
egging me on. I was like myself on and we
had used our stuff up very quick trying to get
the lead. I just want to lead some laps. You know.
It didn't last more than forty laps and it was
over with and that right rear was gone. Yeah, that
was kind of a learning curve on the first race. Well, yeah,
you learn it. But TJ, I I will say, he

(01:25:05):
doesn't spot for us anymore because he was doing detecting
a star. But he taught me a lot. Yeah. Yeah, No,
I love people a lot. Not a lot of people
know though. TJ was there when I was learning at
Rugono six and he has been with us for Yeah.
He used to run go cards and stuff. Yeah, and
he's taught me a lot. And he's taught me a lot.
I used to like look up to him because he
was the man, you know, back in go karts and stuff,

(01:25:27):
and even through supers and stuff. He super modified. He
was the man, you know, he won everything. Yeah, and
then I remember and then he had his brain surgery
and stuff like that, and I kind of put him
out of it and that was a wicked bummer. But
I thought it was the coolest thing ever watching him
come back whatever year it was in the sling shots
and you know, go out and win his first race
and that was that was cool to me. You know.

(01:25:48):
He he taught me a lot of stuff, so I
owe a lot of stuff that uh to him, you know,
for my success and stuff. We won some interesting races
that probably shouldn't have won. We had like an eighth
blace scar and we won. But he's, uh, he knows
this ship. He's really smart. He is. I might give
him shit all the time that I see him. Just
ask him, though he's only good for what sixty five

(01:26:09):
laps or something like that. Just ask him, Just ask him.
Don't ask him about me spotting for him though, because
that was uh, definitely gonna ask him. Probably no, So
I'll just I'll just tell you the story. Yeah, I
think Robbie he was driving Robbie Gorton Douglas car. I
think Robbie was down in North Carolina, if I'm correct,
But TJ went out and run and he was fast too,
and he was he wanted to meet a spot and

(01:26:30):
I've never spot and done spotting with a big car.
I've done legend car stuff. So it was like lap
I don't know what it was, but he was running
down the leaders. Yeah, he was running down. He ran
from like tenth up to I don't know, it was
like fifth or something like that, running down Derek glue
Jockey and then all of a sudden just come around
and I'm listening FENSI and uh the audio is cutting out. Okay,

(01:26:56):
are we losing it again? No? No, no, no, we're
not losing it. Yeah. Basically, yeah, we're gonna have to
figure out the Facebook stuff, but keep going. Yeah. So anyway,
he ended up walling it. Yeah, we have it recorded
so you guys can go listen to it on everywhere
that you can find the podcast and stuff like that.
And if it did glitch out, it won't do it here.
So we'll get you the audio so he can serenade

(01:27:17):
your day. I guess he ended up wrecking it. I
don't know if something broke or what happened, I don't know,
but beforehand there was like ten laps beforehand there was
a wreck in front of him. And you know how
Awxward is. Cars go off the track, you can't see
a thing. No, yeah, I've been there. So someone went
off the track. Well, a bunch of them went off
the track, and I couldn't see a thing. I just saw.

(01:27:39):
What I saw was a red and blue car and
I'm like, yeah, you're clear to enter back. Apparently TJ
was already back on the racetrack. I don't know who
I was watching. Hey, I did that at Richmond and
I was like, you're clear. He's like, what the fuck
are you talking about now, TJ? It was Desmond. He's like,
what the fuck are you talking about? Going down the
back shirts and I was like, who the fuck am
I watching right now? Yeah? I did that. I did

(01:28:01):
that and I'm like And afterward TJ comes on the radio,
he's like, wrong car. I'm like, well, whoop's my bad.
I'm not surprised to hear that about Oxford because the
first time I ever ran a mini stock was at
Oxford and I definitely took the beach root two times
in that race. That wasn't fun. It wasn't fun at all.
But I did I did Lee laps in the heat race.

(01:28:24):
Oh you're a heat race hero. Yeah fuck yeah, man,
I gotta listen to myself for sure. I am we.
I was a be main bandit back in Loving Cars,
anytime we went down South, I was a be main bandit.
As long as you get in fuck it, yep, Hey,
that's all that matters. You can't win the show, be
the show, I man, Right, yeah, I mean a lot
of yeah, yeah, I see a lot of people get that.
So behind us we have two checks ten K no

(01:28:49):
one's ten K one's three. Okay, Sorry I hyped him
up too much, So you got so. But you've been
doing this super late model ship and you you're pretty
good at it. I mean, you run against the best
of the best that Lee. You put on a hell
of a show. You put on a hell of a
show against Kyle Busch, right correct, Oh, Tyler Reddick, Tyler Reddick,
that's what it was. And you put on a hell

(01:29:10):
of a show against him. And uh, you've been doing
pretty good with that stuff. What is the biggest thing
that you've learned doing other than saving tires. Saves you
want to lead saving last for some reason saving tires.
Was it a lap money race? No? Okay? So so
my plan was is this is my thing is I
you never know how a race is going to go.
So I'm looking at that race there. It's a long race.

(01:29:32):
And this point I have now learned from Shane Tesh
who helped me out tremendously. Okay, he taught me how
to qualify that night and everything right then there and
we first off, we started out of that night terrible,
like we were like sixteenth on the speed chart, and
we had the sway bar, shocks everything out of it,
just changing a million different things. But we're gonna pause
you real quick. What the fuck are we talking about?

(01:29:54):
The lee? Yes? Okay, keep going, Okay, thing you just
brought up? I know I have ADHD man, I'm not
gonna fucking lie, do you. Okay? Anyways, well you fucking
brought up two different times. I was like, okay, which
one are we talking about? Right? No? That was also okay,
Like I didn't know if you were talking about the
burn up race or no, So continue the burn No, No,
we're not going into that because now I'm already fucking

(01:30:15):
confused going no that that there. That night, we were
terrible and then Shane threw something at the car and
it worked and then from there, like I remember watching
back on the race replay hearing, you know, the announcer, Oh,
he's using up his stuff, and like in that moment

(01:30:35):
it may have looked like it, but I was just cruising.
I was on cruise control, and I remember every lap
Shane would, you know, chime on the radio. He wasn't
a spotter, but he was just he would chime on
when I had room and he'd be like, you're sixteen
one to their sixteen three, you know, back it down
a little bit, trying to maintain that gap. Yeah, yeah,

(01:30:55):
And my goal was to get out to an early
lead and control the race because clean air is everything,
you know, and so especially on those cars, yeah, oh absolutely,
especially with the new gen body. Yeah, people say they
don't make a difference, but if you got two eyes
in a brain, you can see it makes a difference. Yeah,
there's a splitter. I mean, that's what I'm saying. When
when people fucking bend up that front nose, they're fucking

(01:31:18):
junk for the rest of the night. It's just a
dump truck with fucking flat tires. I swear to god,
oh yeah. And so like lap one twenty one comes around, yeah,
and Shane was like, you're sixteen four to their sixteen
to two. Pick it up a little bit. So I
pick it up. I wacked it up right away. I
come back cross stripe blap one twenty two. He's like,
you're fifteen eight to they're sixteen four. Back it down.

(01:31:40):
He's like, wow, we got something left in the tank
and everything, Like if you go back up and look
at racemon, I'm a lot about that, like you will see.
Like no, I was watching the fucking raceh like you
turned out. It was noticeable that you turned out the wick.
I was like, damn, he's going, oh yeah, and so
I was like, wow, we really got something left. So
I just kind of I just rode. I think, well,
like he wants to in and out. I think Brian

(01:32:00):
Druzek was actually holding up the guy in third for
me at that point because he tried racing me at
one point and he told me after I had nothing
for you, and he just ran with the guy in
third and just ran his door for a lap after
lap after lap after the lap and I just checked out.
I think he did it on purpose. Whether he wants
to admit it or not, I think he did. But
we had like I think it was like ten to go,
and that's when Tyler Reddick was in the top three,

(01:32:23):
and I'm like, all right, here we go. He just
came from the back and he was saving all race.
Oh yeah, and I'm like, all right, time turning up
and so I just went all out for those last
like eight laps and uh, you know at this point too, beforehand,
all that's running through my head is the races that
I've gotten screwed from cautions, restarts, you know, burning my
stuff up. And not a lot of people talk about it,

(01:32:44):
but you know, I went from winning and everything and
now like in these cars it is very hard to win.
You got humbled big time a lot of people, not alone.
But the thing is too, though, is like I got
very hard on myself as a driver to the point
where I really was. I got the point I wanted
to quit. I was like, this is ridiculous, Like I'm
coming out here every week and I'm looking like an

(01:33:05):
absolute idiot, Like I'm making a fool myself and I'm
part of me, I'm like, there's no way it's me,
it's the car. And then the other part of me
is like, man, maybe I'm just washed up. And so
that that night there was like a big because I
always said to my dad, I was like, you give
me a car to win with, and I promise you
I'll win that night. Yeah, And sure enough I had
a car to win with. I went out and I
won that night. And and the emotion that you know

(01:33:28):
I had in that moment, Man, I broke the roof
on the race car, smacking it so hard. I was
just screaming my head off on the radio. I mean,
I was so excited, not even because of who I
beat or how much money I want. I just want
a race. You know, I haven't won. It was like
three years. I've never I've never not won a race
in a year until that point. So to put it
into a thing is like you're not alone to start there.

(01:33:51):
Like a lot of people go through that. There's a
lot of people out there that still race to this
day that never nobody talks about it. I get it,
and I wish I would. Everybody knows if you're a racer,
you know, like if a guy's having a bad fucking day,
bad years. You can see it. You can see that
they're just fun. Well that was like strat out of it,
so all that stuff. And but that's the twist of

(01:34:13):
the knife of racing is that there's a lot of
error and then there's a little bit of success. Well
the problem is is you can't you I don't care
who you are, you will not go out when these
types of cars. You will not just be able to
sit in your shop and just do it yourself the
whole time without getting a little bit of help from
someone with a lot of knowledge. Like there's so much
going on with these cars, and it's like once we

(01:34:34):
got help with Shane, it was like, holy crap, like
you know, this thing goes good. And we kind of
take pride in, you know, our chassis because we had
a lot of people tell us, you know, that Port
City car is never gonna go, that Port City car
is never gonna go. Those things are junk blah blah
blah blah blah bah blah. And me, I think it's
what it's Austin Johnny Clark, I don't know. There might
be more up here, I don't know. Don't take my
word for it. We're the only, like the only two

(01:34:56):
port city cars that I know of that run really
good consistently. Who who Spencer? Dennis Spencer? Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah,
he's another one. Yeah. People always say how you know, oh,
they're never gonna go there. It's pretty good cars. But
the thing is if you're off by a little bit,
you're off by a lot. Yeah. Yeah, it's like that's
the thing. Like I've noticed with like the Dale Show cars,

(01:35:17):
you could be off, but you can make it work.
You know. I've seen Gate Brown do it many times.
He's not been the fastest on the speed chart, but
kid wins. Same with DJ Show, I've seen DJ do it.
I think that's more like like super a Model wise, Yeah,
because they know how to track what they're doing, you

(01:35:39):
know what I mean. Yeah, And it's it's it's this
stuff's hard, man. You know, I'm not The cars ourselves
are like the easiest side. Have you seen me? I'm
no fucking super a Model driver, But I'm telling you
right now, you could get in it and turn some laps.
It is the easiest thing I could do. No say that, No, No,
I'm serious. All right, I'll see classic my a couple

(01:36:00):
of these, you don't I'll blindfold and you still do
that way, dude, What is wrong they're saying they're easy.
I get it, but at the same time it's very
Racing them is hard. Driving them is easy. Okay, okay,
you can't Okay, all right now, I understand. But at
the same time, yeah, it's it should be easy. It's
the most it's it's literally a car that's designed to

(01:36:25):
fuck people. Don't think it's People wouldn't think it's as
easy as it is though, because you know, it's kind
of the cream of the crop, you know, top tiers.
To say, again, people don't think they're you know, easy,
they think they're hard, Like a lot of they are hard. No,
they're not to race race, that's what people looking. I
don't know, but I'm not going to get groceries with that,

(01:36:47):
I promise, so that don't like Like I got some friends,
right ye never been around it, and they're like, man,
I think i'd be hard to drive. I'm like, it's not.
It's really not. Like they're pretty easy. They got power
steer and tents like TI they don't really got a
whole lot of power. Yeah, I'm like you could drive
with your eyes closed. And they're like really, I'm like, yeah,
legend car's hard to drive, but when, but when? But

(01:37:07):
when they are very ill handling, they are the hardest
thing to drive. They are a handful. I've only experienced
partial loss of power steering, so I haven't lost all
power steering yet. But I heard their hands turn and laughs.
And he wasn't running. He was running, honestly top ten
lap times and he's like, yeah, it's not really all
that hard. I'm like, yeah, or no, no, I don't
remember what you said. You said, yes, yeah, you said

(01:37:29):
it's not all that hard or something like that. I'm like, yeah, great,
now go jump in a pack of thirty cars and
let me let me come talk to me after me.
Yeh yeah, yeah yeah. And he's like I couldn't. I
don't think I could do it. I mean, don't let
them lie to you though. This guy was actually pretty
good in a go cart. He used to race go
carts back at the go car track, and I watched
him quite the wheel man until he broke his ribs.

(01:37:51):
That was that was an That was I laugh at
that because I was doing some Then my dad went
fucking go kart race and I think it was the
birth of my fucking child. To be honest, I don't
know what I was doing, but uh I I we
got it out of the I don't I can't remember

(01:38:11):
what we were doing, but we were doing something. And
I go see my dad and he's fucking all groggy,
and I'm like, what's wrong with you? Because that's not
like you're like fucking broke my ribs f one. I
was like, oh, you're fucking why'd you go there? Like,
I totally get that, because sometimes you need those moments
and let you know, like, hey, you ain't dimensible. This

(01:38:34):
guy wax me at Main Indoor Carting. We're going off
track here for a minute. This is a good story.
So if you've ever been to Main indor karting, there
was a going hey, can I have your phone? My
phone did just so I can read them, read the
comments so people don't think I'm not watching them. Keep going.
There was a section that was like an as Yeah,
me and my dad went into the S sections. I said,

(01:38:56):
oh my gosh, I went straight because if I was
going straight, I could just barely clip my left side
off the middle section. Yeah, but it would send him
in head on. Oh my god, I sent him firewall
deep into that wall head on out at my play.
That's so funny. It was pricing now. And I remember
that track because that's the that was the same track

(01:39:18):
AD one in Scarborough. Yeah, that's the one that they
had the DT one hundreds and all that stuff. I'm
mad they shut down because that one was actually not
easy to do because it wasn't instant power. It wasn't
at all, and I'm fucking sliding everywhere I was. I
was pretty mad that they closed as soon as they
did because Jordan O'Brien, which is by far the best
road course racer I've ever watched. Yeah, I don't know

(01:39:40):
how he's so good, but he is just amazing at
what he does on a road course. He can't. He's
not very good at oval. I watched New Ooval. He
just he's even said it. It's not his thing. But
the road course he's very good on. Yeah. I think
he's got like multiple world finals titles, no shit, I
mean some people have that and then some people well
better at circle. He worked at IK for a while

(01:40:01):
and he held the track record and I remember he
was like, take that car. That's the one. I said
it with him, like all right, I'm okay, I want
to see how close I can get my last run,
I was like a tenth slower and I'm like, I'm
coming back here. I'm gonna beat that. I promise you
I'm going to beat that. Two weeks later, Man, indoor Carting,
we're closing. I'm like, yeah, so I don't get that move.
We held that. I I don't know what happened there,

(01:40:22):
but that was its home thing. I had gone down
to Supercharged. That's fun to me. I don't know, have
you ever been to Supercharge Entertainment. It's in Rentham, Mass.
I think that's the town. But they got like ramps
and hills and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well. I
also found out if you reach out of your go cart,
you can hit the other driver's main power switch in
their go cart and shut their go cart off midtrack.

(01:40:43):
Oh you're a fucking asshole. And I did that to
a few people, But I tell you, it was the
funniest thing I've ever done. You were raising friends, you
weren't racing randoms random Oh fuck yeah, dude. Me and
James Man we used to fuck with people all the time. Man.
So my buddy Sully, we call him Ronnie mag and
you're HEAs not very bright, but he's a funny little kid. Yeah.

(01:41:03):
You know, I come around the turn, he's going backwards.
He was going backwards go for I'm like, what are
you doing? He's like, there's something else? And I remember
there was having fun. Man. There was this older black
lady down there and she was She's like, hey, I
see you got a helmet and stuff like that. She's like,
I'll beat you or something like that. She starts running

(01:41:24):
her mouth to me. I'm like, are you kidding me?
I was like, put some money on it. So I
ended up going out and I was just messing around.
First race and second race, signed it up, picking it
up and I and I beat her and I beat
her all all three. She didn't pay me. No, I
got scammed anybody. It was like twenty bucks but still shit.
Hey but still that would have bought me a meal

(01:41:44):
at the restaurant down there. Yeah, but I just wouldn't
have been able to cover the tip. But yeah, yeah, no,
that's for sure. Yeah, but been pissed off. Yeah, but
what is so? Like you said there, they're easy to
drive a hard race, which I totally understand, and to
a point, I'm not going to claim that I know
what the fucking super late model is. I enjoy watching them,

(01:42:05):
you know what I mean, it's cool to watch them
fucking battle it out, and I think that I think
we'll go into that now. I think that big race
at least Speedway when they when it starts the season.
I think that was gonna be a big thing. Well,
the thing is, too is like not even just a
lea thing, like there's Oxford now too. They just announced
they're doing a forty thousand to win no ride height role. Now,
so I thought that that was for the championship. That's

(01:42:26):
not that's for a real that's in mayly No, I thought,
oh July, it's like the weekend. But oh okay, so
it's a race. Okay, I misread that. Well, I know, okay,
that's forty win. That's good July. I mean, the fuckers
deserve that ship. Well, the thing is, we're paying awful
lot of money for these cars, but no, I'm not
saying that. Let me let me backtrack here. I totally

(01:42:48):
understand how much it costs to fucking run a track,
and I totally get it, totally understand. I'm just saying
I made I made a point this past week that
if you look at dirt Man, they're racing for a
million dollars and all that stuff. I want to know,
why why can't we do that? Why can't know? Why
can't sponsors hop on the same ship that we do
because we put on good fucking races, That's what I mean. Yeah,

(01:43:10):
like why can't that We still do good fucking races
up here? I mean, you have the Winchester at four hundred,
you have you have the Slinger Nationals, you have Oxcer
two fifty, you have the Snowball Derby, which is on
Roku save screen right now, and like it's just like
we have big late model events we have, but you're

(01:43:30):
not really big payout, which is crazy. And that's that's
that's half of it. The track can put up as
much money as you want, but the sponsor's got to
get in with you don't have sponsors. Yeah, the track
can only put up so much. Yeah. Yeah, at the
end of the day, Like, I don't know, I don't
know how it is because I'm gonna track owner, but
I don't think they're making millions off a racetrack. No,
they're not. Well, that's why I that's why I stepped

(01:43:51):
back my two steps there and was like, hold on
a second, let me fucking understand, let me get a
better picture of that. But at the same time, you
had you had we just had motherfucker Thanksgivin Classic and
you got people fistfight in over the pro late models
and stuff like that, and then you had Nick Coffin
come out and was like and that's what started at

(01:44:13):
all Because I was like, Okay, so he does have
a point. Yes, we spend a lot of money on
these cars and we don't deserve to get ran through
or ran like shit or anything like that. So I
understand why there was a lot of fistfights, and that
would piss me off too. I totally get it. Well,
the worst part is but then he then he fucking
compared it to dirt racing, which I understand why he
did because he's from dirt racing. But they run for

(01:44:34):
a lot of money. Well, the thing is, I'd be
fighting someone from if they just wrecked me for a
million dollars in the last lap, Like yeah, I'd be mad. Yeah,
But it's like it's very different because I look at
it like this, right, if you're gonna wreck me for
like three thousand dollars, yeah, you're You're just dumb. You're
just dumb. It's three thousand dollars, dude. Yeah, I could
have just ripped off your right side of your race
car and guess where that three thousand dollars just went?
Yeah right, yeah, right, Like I'm looking at that, it's

(01:44:55):
like I will. The only way I would absolutely just
drive through someone is if they have wrecked me time
after time, time of time for three grand yeah yeah, yeah.
But if it's like ten thousand dollars and someone would
rough you up a little bit, Okay, I get it,
I understand it. I wouldn't do it. I think I
showed that I wouldn't do that, you know, but some
people just they rough you up for one hundred dollars check.

(01:45:17):
It's kind of crazy to me. Fucking been there. Oh yeah,
me too, Prestock. That's all Legend cars paid out, get
fucking wrecked for one twenty five and wondering what the
fuck were doing. They got paid more than we did
in pure stocks. We were we only got one hundred
dollars in Legend cars. That's it. He ain't getting fucking wrecked. Yeah. Well,
and bumpers were what how much were bumpers? I can't
even remember because they cost more than the money you

(01:45:39):
made back up how we did that a couple of
times in Desmond shop were sitting there with a hammer,
like for a while. For a while, we started getting
these bumper tabs that were like wicked, wicked, wicked strong,
and they never bend. You'd end up bending your horns
or bending someone else's horns. I had that, dude too. Yeah, yeah,
we really got to get away with these things. Wait,
I just if I remember there's a fucking support bar
in the that holds the chassis straight. Yes, we broke

(01:46:02):
that hitting someone the fuck. I was like, what the
hell is motor tabs? Were? Those bumper tabs are as
flimsy as they are for a reason. Yeah, but so
what is what is some of them? So like, going
back to my thing is like it's cool to see
that like forty thousand to win races up north. And
I've been a big person to say like we need

(01:46:23):
more big races up here. And I'm not saying like
we have the Boss Hog one fifty, we have Oxford
two fifty. We have a lot of big races that
do happen up here, Don't get me wrong. We have
the Haunted hundred, we have we have a lot of
act Did you go Do you go to the Midsummer
Classic at White Mountain? You need I haven't been to
White Mountain a while. You need to go up there.
That's the Midsummer Classic. In all my years that I've

(01:46:47):
ever went to White Mountain Motorsports Park, even as a
little kid, I never ever had to park by the road,
So you know, i'ven't been the last time I went
to White Mountains for legend cars like you go back
up there, man, I want. We've been talking about going
and running our car over there. But the thing was
is when they had the ride height rule, you know,

(01:47:07):
then we'd have to screw around with our set up
a little bit so we can get around that because
we don't. We don't set up for a ride height
for granted state, I mean they don't. Yeah, yeah there.
I think it's like, don't let your side skirt scrape
the scales when you're rolling over the scale pads. Nick
Calvert said, you're a hack, but he misses race isn't good,
all right, So maybe we should get into the story
about how Nick Calvert found the woods in the turn
four at Oxford. But let me let me finish this

(01:47:29):
point real quick. We'll definitely go into that. Damn, that's
a fucking far trabble. He's over by the fucking shitter
was he was so I love Going back to my
point is like, we do have big races up here,
and I'm not discounting them at all. I want to
see more up here because you go you have a

(01:47:49):
subscription to Flow or Race in America, pit Row TV
or anything like that. You have all these big races
all around, and a lot of people show up. All
you have to do is to make it fucking tasteful
for a racer, and they'll come and go, they'll come
up and do it. I just want to see Southern
guys come up here and give it and give up
your shot, because I always anytime I go down South,
Southern guys on us. We tried, We tried. I've talked

(01:48:10):
to many promoters, I've talked to many track owners. They've
tried to get you don't know what had us out
to come up, and they don't want to know what
happened when they did come up because they used to
run Legends Nationals at Waterford. They cleaned house. They showed
up in cleaned house. Yeah, there was no New England
or who even ran with him. Nolan Pope was a
driver for fab Specialties, Met Drake. Yeah, he showed up
and broke the track record by like three tenths, won

(01:48:32):
the nationals and left, never came back. Yeah, what's nick
fucking asshole? I was laughing at scoreboard Hillary Scott no
dogs in the pit at White Mountain Motorsports Park. Don't
even argue with her either, And then Nick Calvert said,
love it. That was a haul. Yeah, he went far.

(01:48:54):
I remember that we were pretty good friends at Nick
he was always so much fun to be around us,
and so all was it? So we were at ox
D I think I don't remember if it was two
fifty weekend and there was points in time. Nick was
extremely fast in a legend card, just out of the blue.
One day would just be hooked up and he'd be
rolling to the front and I'm like, what in the world.
And then the next day I'd be laughing him. I'm like, Nick,
what'd you change? And uh? He never changed anything quote

(01:49:18):
unquote yeah, but I remember the Oxford and it was
just an off day for him. There was a wreck
and next thing you know, we're under yellow and I'm
rolling around a racetrack and I just see a red,
influorescent yellow car in the friggin woods down in turn four.
I don't know how he made it that far. I
don't know. I'm surprised too. Man, brake pedal stops you. Yeah,
you ain't stopping on that fucking dere I've been on it.

(01:49:40):
I know, same here, and I hit the brake and
I'm like, what the fuck. I don't want this fucking
thing up. I will never let Nick live that down,
because I've never honestly seen a car make it that
two to fifty weekend. What year was this? This was?
This would have been my last hour. No, this would
have been the twenty eighteen It would have been twenty eighteen,
because I can't remember twenty nineteen season. I can't remember

(01:50:00):
when we did a Legend, when we did the Legends
up there, but I did it. You did it with us,
you were there. I remember because it was like the
first one whoever complained about our rear bumper. Fuck you
to this day. I don't know who complained about your
rear bumper. It definitely wasn't us, because half the time
my rear bumper was hanging off. Yeah, ours was just
completely dismembered. But twenty nineteen nixcent Thartle stock Ah, that'll

(01:50:21):
put you out there, like Jesus christ Man, because if
you if no one's ever been to Oxford two fifteen
and you're watching this, that's a fucking football field all
the way down to the ship. Huh, that's a far walk.
You have a whole picnic over there. He used that
when he uh, when he finally stopped down there. Yeah. Fuck,
I mean, dude, Thartle hanging is the scariest fucking thing

(01:50:42):
I can ever think of. The least he had a runoff.
The worst one I've seen, like in person, was when
I was helping my friend a Leah. She ended up.
We were doing a shakedown on the brand new Zeo
nine motors and watching car at Claremont our throttle hung
wide open going into turn one. Dude, she she fractured
her pelvis. Yeah, and so that's the other thing I

(01:51:07):
don't I don't know if I really can get into
it but regardless, that problem with that motor wasn't a
throttle problem on anyone's behalf, but nexes. That was a
problem with their ECUs. They were retuning from Yamaha. They'd
get them from Yaaha Yama and retune them because it
was a fly by wire throttle super messed up. But
there's a what's a fly by one? It's controlled by electronics.

(01:51:30):
It's not a throttle case. Oh, a race in a
race car. Not happening. So Travis did a video afterwards.
I rather put my air cleaner upside down. Well that's
a joke. That's a joke. Don't do that next. I
actually tried to say it was their fault. So Travis
was like looking for any way to prove that it
wasn't and so he finally caught it on video. The

(01:51:50):
master power switch was off on the car and the
throttle body, the butterfly on the throttle bodies were opening
and the master power was off. They were just open. Yeah,
it was a runaway motor. Yeah, that shit happened, and
it happens that ship. It happened so often with the
fc on Ie motors. So they're changing now. But that
was like the worst one I've ever seen. Oh it's
still doing that. Oh yeah, oh yeah, it happens all

(01:52:11):
the time. If you're on Jess Legends and Facebook, there's
a there's a whole bunch of post about it. It's
crazy that I'll fix I see before that I didn't
want it. I'm big, like, like, that's why we're bringing
out a fat boy shirt because we deserve a shirt.
But at the same time, I'm pretty big man. So
when I had to help out when I was helping
out Desmond and we were cleaning out the car when
we were at NASCAR, when they did that inaugural dirt

(01:52:34):
race at fucking NASCAR with the Legends car. Fuck Daniel Hemrick.
Oh that's I remember, Kim. We were fine, we were
we were raising for the fucking lead. We weren't even
It was him and Corey la Joyan fucking battling it
out and we're just down on the bottom. We're making
good speed and he just fucking ramps us. I was like,
I remember that. I remember that, no reason, I do. Remember.

(01:52:56):
You remember the ski jump that was pretty much like
ug into the track? Yeah, I don't. That was the
first race, So I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
But those motherfuckers were the second race, w wasn't no better. No,
I'm telling you. They were digging into that damn thing.
They were making fucking motocross ruts in the turn turn

(01:53:17):
forward and all that. So they used like campground dirt
and clay and stuff like that. Yeah, that's always like
real clay. That's why I said. And the first year.
I also know this because Pembroke stand and Gravel was
talking about it, because they did a lot of the
trucking for that. Gotcha. They only went to Vermont in
New York and think those were the only two states
they went to gotch for material. No, I totally get that,
but yeah, so that's that's my thing on Daniel Hemmick.

(01:53:39):
And then he got out of the car like he
didn't do anything. I was like, our fucking whole rear
is splinter. Yeah, I'm in track, dude, I remember, like,
fucking what the fuck did we do to? That was
the whole race though, was like terrible. People were wrecking
left and right, and I remember Bob Weymouth was one
hand one hand on the wheel, or one hand on
the wheel, one hand on the roll cage. Cruising around
having them like the time of his life. So that

(01:54:01):
race was That race was good. And then I don't
know what happened, but someone flipped the light switch. And
then the guy from Jersey that puts his legend car
in the back of his truck and driven Ak. Yeah,
I love back. So him and fucking Hamrick were going
after it, and then Hamrick like doored hm or something
like that, and he just shipped him. And then Corey
lea Joy tried the same ship. You don't mess with

(01:54:23):
Kevin no Ak. Yeah, and then and then uh, Coreyle
le Joy did it, shipped him too, but fucking coreylea
Joy came back around and fucking I don't know who
it won it. I think it was either Daniel or
it was Corey. Yeah, so he got fucking shipped and
dumb he comes right back up through the field. But
I don't know what happened in that race, but someone
just flipped the fucking switch. Everybody just went fucking shit show.

(01:54:44):
So Kevin, we're already wrecked. Thanks Dan. I've never uh,
I've never met Kevin Noak before we show up to
Seakwonk and I see this car sitting in the back
of a truck bed. I'm like, how did they get
that up there? Yeah? Well, so anyway, I've never know
you know why he does that though, not a clue.
So I talked to him when he when he showed
up the inaugural race, and I was like, what the fuck.

(01:55:05):
I was like, Okay, that's different. So I look at
death when I was like, what the fuck you do
that for? And he heard me and he's like tolls.
I was like, yeah, he's like tolls. He's like fuck that.
He's like, I'm gonna pay for a car. I'm gonna
pay for a car for Doles all the way from
New Jersey or wherever he came from, all the way up. Oh,
It's like I had pay for the fucking trailer. He's like,
if I wreck fuck it he had. Well, this is

(01:55:28):
he wrecked one of these nice I've never met him.
He comes to Seakunk. Never met him at this point
in time. I'm like fifteen and this is in Legends
and he comes up to me out of the blue
and just goes, I know I don't know or I
know you don't know me, but I'm Kevin, nowak I
heard you a real bump a boy, so please don't
wreck me. I'm like, I look at him, I'm like

(01:55:49):
du like double tech him and take him like what?
And I've never really seen my dad get lit off
at the racetrack like mad. He comes out of the trailer,
you know, just screaming at him, like you walk into
my pit. You didn't even introduce yourself. Kevin Noak, I
heard you a bumper boy. Don't wreck me. I was
like really, And I looked at him and I go,
I put money on it. I will pass you three

(01:56:10):
wide on the top. I will win the race and
I won't touch you. Sure enough, I pass him three
wide on top one the race and the guy that
told him that I was a bumper boy had cleaned
him out and destroyed him. And after that we were
friends with Kevin Noaks. Every race I went and I
did good ship. He's hilarious. But he said it just
like that. He's like bulls. I was like, all right, cool,

(01:56:31):
all right, now he's got that accident. I'm from New Jersey. Yeah, yeah,
I think that's what he said. He looks at me
and my dad, He's like, yo, yo, I didn't mean
any home. That's just how we do it. In Jersey.
My dad's like to go back to and I remember.
All I'm thinking myself is man and I don't remember

(01:56:51):
the last time I seen my dad yell at the
ice stratger That was I love that. That was fun
Long Island. He's from Long Island. Oh yeah, New York,
New York. Go back to New York. That was New Jersey.
But I guess I missed but id But yeah, that's

(01:57:12):
why you got it. He's like Coles. I was like cool.
I totally No, he's cool. I like him. He's funny,
he's some of the stuff he says. I'm not gonna repeat,
but that's why I get it. Yeah, no way, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's funny. UNDERSHP with you, I'm like, what the fuck
is this guy going on? Right? Yeah? Yeah yeah, oh yeah, No,

(01:57:34):
he's a good ship. He's a wheelman too. I'll give
it to him. No, he couldn't run, dude. He was
running against Corey la Joy and Dan Hemberg like they
were fucking nothing. Was that when he had his Herbie car?
Yeah yea, Now he doesn't know. No, no, no, no, no, no,
it wasn't that. Oh it might have been. Was it
a Sedana or a coop, dude, coop man. He ran
his coop on the dirt. I would have ran the sedan.

(01:57:55):
I don't know. Both of them were Herbie cars though,
I don't remember. But now he has like a black
and floors and yellow one. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, it's
like number fIF I don't know what. I don't know
what it was. I can't tell you what it, what
it looked like or anything right now. But at the
same time, whatever it was, I think, I don't know,
it was different. It was a different kind of car,
you know what I mean. It might have been the sedan.

(01:58:15):
It's a bubble coop. Yeah, yeah, have you ever seen
a bubble coop? No? Not really. They look messed up. Yeah, no,
like the back of them so like you know how
like a normal legend they go like that. Yeah, well,
these ones go like out like it looks like a
bubble and they look so stupid. But I want one.
Not gonna lie. They're different and you're going to go
back to legends. I want to go road course racing.

(01:58:35):
I want to learn that. I want to learn the
discipline of road course racing. I think a good race
card driver can do it all. And I want to
learn how to do it all. So so I guess
that can lead into the next question, what's your biggest
goals for next year? Or is this down the road
that you're doing this stuff? I would like to run
as many different races as possible away from New England.
That's honestly, Like it takes so much money, the amount

(01:58:57):
of money costs to run, Like why why why does
it cost a lot of money? Oh no, I don't know.
I understand it costs a lot of money to go
and travel and do everything. But why do I want
to Why do you want to go away from I
want to be I want to learn. I want to
run a different race tracks. I want to do different
types of racing. I want to do dirt racing, road
course racing. I want to do any racing I can do,

(01:59:17):
you know, and try because I'm looking at like I
look at like a Kyle Larson. That dude runs everything.
He is so good. People can hate him all they want.
I think right now he is probably the best race
guard driver there is. He is. I don't care what
anyone says. And I'm not like a Kyle Larson fanboy,
because I mean, I like him I've always liked him,

(01:59:38):
even when he was in like the thirty two. But
the guy is just probably the best there is right
now because he's just does everything. You know, he can
win and everything he gets in. Yeah, and that's what
he's and ends he goes over over to Australia. Well
he used to. I don't know if he's doing that
because now he just bought Tony Stewart's fucking shit. Yeah,
and doing that. I just I want to be able
to do it all, you know what I mean. I
want to get my feet wet in it. I want

(01:59:59):
to try it. She wrote for next year or what
when's this? Like that just some point down the line, Okay,
I was like, my Chad put in some fucking overtime.
Oh yeah, shit the lottery, right, yeah, okay. I just
want to do road course really badly because I hear
from everybody how fun it is. It is. I think
as great as a spectator. You just watch some guy

(02:00:21):
just hum right in fucking bow and just keep going.
Gane would say, Bun's eye right. I'm telling you, these
guys are fearless out there. It was It's great to watch.
I'm glad I'm not in there. But the other thing
I want to try is is Uh. I want to
try it once just to say I've done it, only
to prove a point to my friend, uh that does it.
Or wanted to try snowheel drag racing just to see

(02:00:43):
how hard it is. Everybody says it's hard. I want
to try it. I want to try it. I don't
think I could drag race. I don't think I can.
I don't know. I've never done it. But I just
want to try everything just so I can say I've
done it. Uh, how deep were you into drag racings? Deep? Well,

(02:01:05):
I did it for a while. A woman and his plaques. Okay,
and I'll refrain what I would say, but no, it's
probably a totally different fucking I tell you right now,
I show okay, So yeah, no funk off fucking straight
line racing. Yeah, okay, you get he's like, but yeah,

(02:01:29):
I and no disrespecting that. It's it's like, I don't
think I can do it. It's a total different it's
a total different thing. Well, so we went to so
my uncle Mark had built an asphalt drag sluid. I
did that too, but it was like with wheelbarrow tires
and I shall get well the fucking welder with the ship.
But we made a fucking one that had wheels. Yeah, no,
this ain't this ain't like that. These things run what

(02:01:50):
five five three in the eighth miles fast for that?
A five like five point Yeah, but these things are
fucking skinned out and turned up. I trust me. I
bet the fucking ones that are tuned right the fuck
in are fucking going you know what I mean. I
totally kid, and that's why I want to try. I
just say I did it. But when I go there, man,
I go to the I go to short track racing,

(02:02:12):
there's like clicks over here, clicks over there, and there's
like groups, and I'm like in the world. I go
to drag racing, man, everybody's talking everyone, everyone's and everyone's pit.
People are giving people parts left and right when something breaks,
they don't care. Yeah. And the other thing I like
about it, which me and my dad talked about this year.
If you're having a bad day, you can't just right
we or hook someone into the fence. You can't. What

(02:02:32):
are you gonna do? Yeah, yeah, you can't hook them.
You can't even wreck them. I mean you can, but
you're just crazy to even do that. No, yeah, but
like everybody was friends, like yeah, slinging that and keep going. Yeah,
I saw, but everyone's friends over there. I mean, it's
such a strange end. I'm friends with most people at
the ratio, but you know what I mean. Though there's clicks,

(02:02:54):
there is click Okay, oh okay, don't do that. I
don't know. I don't know that. What I've seemed to
notice and most people have on it, it's still going.
What what's not going? Oh it's still going. I keep

(02:03:17):
seeing it's still going. What are you talking about? What's
right here? All right? Media, Kira, Yeah, I've noticed, like
the clicks and stuff, Smalls and co wind Tunnel's back
up going. Yeah, the clicks and stuff. All. I can't
even really say what. I don't don't care enough about

(02:03:38):
fucking people. I care. I This is the biggest thing
that I learned in twenty twenty three. You only support
the people that fucking support you. Yeah, that's what you do. Well,
the thing is fucking click fuck anything like that. I
will respect you if you respect me. If you want
to talk shit, I'll sit there and I will talk
shit with you. That is totally Okay, I enjoy it. Yeah,
I click thing. It's all politic fucking bullshit too. Think

(02:04:00):
that politics and races shouldn't be the thing. Well, no,
you're all there for the same reason, right it doesn't.
Yeh fucking track Lizzies and pitt Lizzies. Yeah yeah, shout
out to Jack for that. That's you. Sure that's coming soon,
I tell you, Star Speedway. I ain't gonna lie. I
go to that food trucking awful lot. They got some
of the yeah yeah, steak and cheese for me, but

(02:04:21):
I've never gotten the steak and cheese from its good
people complain about it, but it's fill of flavor, and
it's flavored dogs I've ever got from a racetrack with
Carter at County Down, North Carolina. That's right. You gotta
go down to Dylan and got to get in fucking
bologna sandwich. Bro a bologna sandwich. Yeah, blog, I'm talking
about clicks the food. I love food, man, I did,
But I know where's Nitro? Has anyone seen Nitro? The

(02:04:45):
dog you're talking about? Is that your dogs like food?
You said you like food? Oh? Is that your dog's name? Oh? Yeah, Oh,
we should have started with that. I was like, what
the fuck does he mean? Nitro his name earlier? When
you walk through the door. You didn't, Yes, I did?
You did? You said this is my dog. He's old.
I was like, okay, oh, I know you told me
I had diabetes. Shout out to night Troe. Hopefully you're

(02:05:09):
doing well, dude. Fuck yeah, man, no, he's a cool
puff but uh yeah no, yeah, I know he loves
food too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally get the nom clicks,
yeah clicks. Fuck that. I don't do that ship. I
I enjoy everybody. If you don't like me, that's okay.
I try you, It's okay. I just I try to
get along with most people I can. But there's some people.

(02:05:30):
I just I there's some people that you know, just
make your blood boil. And then there's like, yeah, I
don't even gotta they don't even gotta talk, and like you,
there are some people like and the best thing I
ever learned was not the best thing I ever learned
by myself, was just to not even worry about it.
If they get into it, then you can fucking well

(02:05:52):
see that's not even more well that's the thing. Well, yeah, yeah,
I an't even get starting on that, they'll get into
they'll get into you, right, you get back into them,
and next thing you know, you're the worst driver in
the world and you're an idiot that you're this, you're that. Well, dude,
let's not forget what you did to me five laps there.
There's one person in particular that at Lee had done
it to me, blocked me, and heat Races did it

(02:06:14):
to me two times, and heat Races this year. Right,
we go to Star, I gotta get a whiteboard, you do,
like write that down and I'll fucking hold it up
like yeah, so I gonna be multiple times. Yeah yeah,
And so I'm like, I finally like Star was a
race that I probably I lost it finally because to
start the race, we were no one was touching us.

(02:06:35):
First off, we let's let's cover that. Like we were.
We were crazy fast that weekend, you know, we were
doing good. Yeah, and the redraw screwed me and Ryan
Green had overdrove the corner a little bit, got into me,
turned me around, and it kind of screwed both of
our nights up from there because we both had to
go to the tail. And on my way through the tail,
I just I passed people clean and then they dormy

(02:06:56):
and they get into me, and I was like, all right, whatever,
I'm just gonna start doing it back. And that's that
night I snapped a little bit and I just started
I was like, you know what, I didn't do it
to people that that I haven't had runners with, Like
if I caught him and they were you know, I
didn't have an issue with I'd just pass them. But
then I'd get to the people like that and I'd
move them. I move them, and then he'd like now heat.

(02:07:18):
They would just door slam me and move me back
and try and you know, and put me up into
the fence and I'm like, wow, all right, So I
guess they forget. And after the race, I had one
of them and he had come up to me and
was like blaming me for stuff, and I'm like, how
many times have I run into you? And he just
sat there blank and he's like, uh, I like exactly

(02:07:39):
what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, so you know,
don't get mad at me when you've done the same
thing to me four times, like you fail, you you
really forget. And most of them are like that, and
it's crazy to me because they're always they're always the
first ones to run into people. I get that, and
like that's the respect thing that there's trust me allow,

(02:08:01):
I mean, James shout out to TPS. He's been fucking
promoting this ship. Maybe you put fucking some boxing gloves underneath.
Absolutely before that boxing gloves in a boxing ring, right yeah,
right in the middle. Drivers sell pay per view for
this ship. The thing is is, we can't let remember
show up though we know crew members. We gotta have
hired coaches with buckets in the corners, not crew members.

(02:08:22):
Now fuck that, because you already know the crew members
are gonna jump in and try rough and rowdy style.
Just let them sucking out there. And as I'd just
rather just see that happen than watching. Maybe Grady, we
ought to just line some of the biggest rivals that
are in New England up for a rough and route,
so we should I would be down for that. Well,
we should do. I'll make a ring. But I got

(02:08:44):
me and me and James's been talking about this for
a while. Then we talked to some the Zach and
Zach Boyce from fucking Bowman and they had the same thing,
and they made it a whole fucking event. They're making
a whole event where after the season's over, you're gonna
put up a boxing ring and anybody that had fews,
they're gonna fight each other and they can go into
the races, you know what. You know what I wish
I was a part of fight each other spar you

(02:09:04):
know what I know and turned into fighting. But it's
okay it being all out brawl. I can't say that.
The thing is is like I wish I was a
part of racing in the days where I was like
they'd hate each other, they'd fight, and next thing you know,
the next week they're shooting the breeze in the in
the pits, you know. And it's not like that anymore.
It's not even close to like that. A lot of

(02:09:26):
people don't tell you the bad days that happened over there,
Like there was some rivalries that it was cutthroat. Oh yeah,
like Max Deliver getting a beer bottle thrown out his
head when he was like sixteen. I don't remember that.
You know, you went around for that one that was bad.
That Hudson Star, Oh yeah, that was an I don't know,
poor kid, that was yeah, poor Kidah Oh, you had

(02:09:48):
that fucking whole thing at Hudson too. What happened at Hudson?
Fucking ant that you knew? Anyways, I don't know him
and Baldwin got into it one year. Who Charlie monster truck?
Who Charlie Baldwom? Oh oh you just said Baldwin. Then Charlie,
I'm like, who's Baldwin? Who's Charlie? I didn't Charlie Baldom.

(02:10:09):
So they had a few and that was a ship
show and then but that's that's not comparable. Like back
in the fucking day, dude, he used to be bad.
He used to be real bad. My dad has told
me some fucking stories. Yeah, but you know what though,
they didn't keep doing it week after week. Oh fuck no,
but they were fucking ballsy enough to go and fucking me.
Oh yeah, that was it. Half of the people that

(02:10:30):
will sit there and run their gums and uh, the
guys that don't talk that you worry about, well that yeah,
there was a There was one time I was at
Least Speedway and some guy was chewing some guy out
and he's he's just listening to him and he wasn't
saying a fucking thing. And he finishes his beer and
fucking put it down and he goes, you done, and

(02:10:51):
he goes yeah, he goes good, and I'm going to
slap the ship out of you. Now, He's like, when
I'm doing this beer, I'm gonna slap the ship out
of you. Keep going right. Yeah, yeah, that was entertainment
for them now yeah, oh yeah, fuck it, man, nothing
gets better than a short track. It really doesn't. The
short track racing is still well and alive and all
that stuff, and I'm just glad that that it's continuing

(02:11:12):
to build, Like ACT is doing really big. Yeah, all
these tracks, all these tracks working together and all that stuff.
That's that's pretty big. And like at the same time,
you just got it's good for the growth of the thing.
If you can take the politics, the clicks that the
ship that doesn't need to be there out everybody's there
to do the same thing. It is, either we're showing

(02:11:33):
up to race or anything like that. You can have
your people that you like it, you're gonna have the
people that you don't like. And that's always been in racing. Well,
I've said from day one, like even before I was
racing the cars that I race now, I've always said that,
you know, passing granted state gotta do a tour together,
no matter their difference is they gotta do a tour
together or something. Pass and granted State post officeries. They
need to do something together. They need to. They could

(02:11:54):
get so many cars lined up for one absolutely massive race.
Throw away whatever, run the whatever the other brand tire is,
and then you don't got to have the politics on
the tire stuff. Run the other brand tire, the McCreary's
or whatever they are. I don't know what they are,
and uh do a big race with the two stories together.
Don't ask me, man, I don't they run out of Jennerstown?
I think right them McCreary or I don't know what

(02:12:17):
they are. Yeah, but they're not. It's not the name.
So but everybody goes to forty five's. You guys can
figure it out from there. I just think they see
that's one thing you gotta do. Go down south and
go run on my f forty five. I don't even
what's that. It's a whole different compound, but what runs
it right now? Like this uh cars tour, I've run them,

(02:12:39):
I've run them out of Hickory with uh with lee fault.
Late model stocks run them, Yeah, yeah, I run them. Yeah,
those things were mint. Uh that car I was on
old tires. That thing had so much grip. Who the
hell was I talking to? Who's just talking to? Oh
h Hayslip, the pro the and all that stuff. Yeah, yep.

(02:13:02):
So was his name Carson? Right? Yeah? Ye, so you
know him. I've never met him, but I know of
him yet he knows Yeah, so yeah, he's done that stuff.
And we were just talking about that the last podcast
episode and he's like those that forty five you gotta
be careful on him, and like that's where you will
see the difference in people that save tires and not
save tires. That's just on the thing of that's why
I said, like, if you go down south that you

(02:13:23):
run on that forty five is, which you've already done.
You can go hard, but you're gonna I will never
I will never go down south arount of cars, late
model stock to a race though, that's for sure. Come on, no,
that is so. That is such a joke. You see
how much stuff they tear up every well, yeah, they
tear up stuff on big races, but they run good races.
They've entertained. Oh no, they've run good races. I think, well, yeah,

(02:13:49):
at the ends. I've seen at the end, but most
of them are all just wreckfast in the back. It's
not even upfront. Okay, okay, I'm not looking back there.
I can the race where Quapple and who was it?
The butterbeing Queen was that? The Minion was it? What
track was that at? Or they had the photo finish

(02:14:10):
or they raced really really hard for the finish. Oh man,
I don't even remember right now, but I know what
you're talking about. I like that on some good fucking
I like that Butterbean queen kid, Butterbean, I like trying.
I'm fucking I just like I'm trying to get him on.
His name is Brendan Everything, Okay, I like him. He's
a cool Dude's very interviews are there's something he's entertaining.

(02:14:33):
He's a good kid, he's very humble, he's he's top notch.
He knows how to run and all that stuff. And
he runs against some of the best, even though the
late model socks, he still runs some of the against
some of the best guys in the South. And yeah, no,
I don't he does some of the best guys in
the South are in the Late Modelstock Tour. I mean
that's it's so. Yeah. You can say that they had
some shitty races, which I'll agree with you, but they

(02:14:55):
do put on a good show. Like whatever that race
was withoppole and and being Queen, and there's one more
because one of them, someone came in and stole the win. Yeah,
because they were already racing side by side and someone
came in stole the wind. I can't remember. I don't know.
It was a really good race. Yeah, yeah, I thought
it was awesome. I was like, that's a really good finish,
you know. Yeah, And it was two class acts racing

(02:15:17):
door to door. Yeah, that doesn't happen an awful lot
down SOUF. I very rarely see that, I know. Yeah,
I know you. Like I said, it's a different breed
right now. But I think we ought to run what's
going on on TV right now Martinsville Martinsville. I want
to go run the late model stock race that they
do at Martinsville. You should. But those late model Stock
cards you're talking about the fucking Crown Vics. Sorry we

(02:15:40):
got Crown vis on the day. Yeah, you know, but
now we're on Martinsville. Yeah, yeah, and I want to
go run the late model stock to a race there,
but it's an awful lot of like North Wokes for all,
they go there two times. Yeah, I want to go
there too, But Martinsville because I've heard about how difficult
it is to get around. Oh very I love. I
love the technical race tracks. Technical as a motherfucker. It
looks flat and bank But Carson told me, oh no,

(02:16:02):
I heard the same thing, the same with Burt Byers
told me that I just it looks like a riot
to run, even though it's an absolute joke. You know,
they can't even run two laps there and then not
have another yellow red flag and then they're always fighting
in the pits. And I loved that. But you know
what I'd love to be there racing for the last

(02:16:23):
two laps. Was that Huffman won. I don't think Landon
Huffman won. I think he finished second or something like that.
I don't know. I like Landa Huffman, He's I like him.
I like you got mad at us? What fucking wait?
Where were you? And Okay, so long story short, we
watched this thing at uh it was at fuck what

(02:16:47):
was the fucking place called It's right down the road
from Wake County. They had that race at Wake County
and they had a question on well Racing of like
who do you have a beer with? Oh, they interviewed
Dilner and Dinner said, I'd say Landing up and but
he went a little corporate on us. So maybe I'll
take man. What was the other guy runs the six? Uh? Shit,

(02:17:12):
now I'm drawing blank. I don't even know who that is.
I'm drawing blanks right now. I thought all that video. Yeah,
so that video, so James being James started calling him
mister corporate. And obviously Facebook has away and finding everybody
and they have a podcast too, and they took it wrong.
We were just fucking with him because Dilner said it.

(02:17:33):
We weren't calling him mister corporate. We know he's humble
and he fucking he knows what he's doing. And uh
so his co his co host Seth heard it or
read it. He's like, fuck those guys like James, What
the fuck? I was like, Dan Sweeney put me onto that.
He's like, hey, Land and boys are mad at you.
I was like, what the fuck did I do? I

(02:17:54):
was like, what are you talking about And he's like
and then he told me, I don't think he talked crazier.
Well he's a good dude. He's cool. He's cool as shit. Yeah, James, Yeah, yeah,
I can go on years of stories about James. You
think people you think, fucking uh what was that guy? Novak? No? Uh? Kevin? No?

(02:18:15):
Do you think he says some ship? So Albi went
and did that dirt race. Yep, the guy that won
the race he got DQ. So I was like, hey, James,
because we give out d stick. I was like, oh, ship,
I might have one. I might have one in this box.
I haven't been quh, I haven't been. You haven't well
you said you had to give on. Oh I thought

(02:18:36):
I owned you. We got to get one anyway. So
they had a ten k to win. I was like, hey,
go give this to this guy. You're around here, you
can promote us down here. He goes over there like
some guy looking for a lost kid. He's like he's like, uh,
He's like, who got DQ? Just for the future, because
you guys cheat. I can see the sign right over there.

(02:18:57):
We got to cover that. He goes over there like
he's looking for a lost kid. At six Flags, He's like,
who fucking got dq'ed? Over here? He's just made a
dick about it. He's like, who got dcut? He's like,
great race, but wait to get dq I was like,
all right, so we're not good here. So since we're

(02:19:19):
on that topic of the cheating Chad's performance. Yeah, so
we were our thing is CCR right? Yeah, Well, when
we were always dominating go karts, we had a guy
who did not like us. He was like, he ran
the tech for the series. He had tore our motor
down to the wrist pin in go karts just to

(02:19:39):
find out our cart was perfectly legal. And the same
thing just happened all the way through the ranks. And
so in the Bandol Arrows we had people, uh protesting
us for money for our motor, and we got a
whole bunch of other stuff going on. We never got dq'ed.
There's the toxic kid divisions. We've never we never even
like the protests, never even went through the always we

(02:20:00):
always ended up getting money out of it. Yeah, And
uh so then I think it was it Keith Matheson
that started that. He was like, CCP, we're gonna start
calling you cheating Chad's performance, and so so we used
to call ourselves CCP cheating Chad's performance because everybody said
we were cheating, and they keep they kept protesting us,

(02:20:20):
and they we never we never lost a protest. Yeah,
we have always been legal and almost anything. Yeah. I
think that the only time that we actually went outside
of the rule book was down at Nationals in the
Legend car because we sucked so badly, we started cheating,
and we sucked even worsemen we're cheating. It didn't even
help us humble. It's just like tiresoft and it only

(02:20:40):
had It's a band aid as most people call, it's
a tire soft room. From what I understand from talking
to people like Matt Drake when we were down in Nationals,
it only works for like lighting off a really good
fast time and then by the time you run band
aid laps, it's gone. Yeah, yeah, you can be fast
all you are fucking know you're gonna go all off.
I mean, we're not even in Legends any more, so
I can say this. We had Chase pistone tires at

(02:21:03):
one point. Man, I tell you I noticed the difference
with those things. I won't even lie about that. Chase
pistone tires. Those were good. We got him from a
friend of ours to fuck is Chase Pistoles a team,
He's a team and Neworious for tires. Okay, I gotcha,
and those suckers were really good. Yeah soft so so

(02:21:26):
uh fuck man, we're so what is so? I went
some of the things that you want to do and
all that stuff. Over the years that you've been racing.
What's the biggest win you've had it against Redick? Winternationals? Winternationals.
I still look at Winternationals because everybody it's still a
big fucking thing. We just had Newcombe down there doing

(02:21:50):
that stuff like well it wasn't that. It was something
in Las Vegas or something like that. National National Okay,
winternational and National Nationals just like the Pemi Nationals. Yeah,
and then Pro Cup maybe a little bit of junior.
They got the Piston Cup and yeah yeah yeah yeah,
Dac Hutson was there. Yeah you're Piston a lot. No,

(02:22:14):
Like the Tyler Redick thing was cool, but like to
like the average person, like yeah, that's cool, like a
kid from my town, just you know, being an ASCAR driver,
I don't look at it like that. I look at
it as he puts on the same clothes that we
wear every day. Yeah, no, no, no, he's still a
normal dude. He does it on a magnified level, you know.
But he's a wheel. Yeah yeah, he is a wheel. Yeah.

(02:22:34):
You can't take it away from it. Yeah yeah, yeah
he is. The kid's a shoe. Yeah yeah. But Winternationals
was cooler to me because you know, it's one thing
to win when you're in your area, but when you
travel a day's worth down to Florida to race the
best in the country and you show up and you
clean house, that was what was big to me. You know,
that was cool. And the three days of racing thing

(02:22:56):
that was also or four days or whatever it was
because you always had a rain day was cool to me.
That track was cool to me. Any Winternationals we did
was just cool because it was a whole week of
racing anyway during speed weeks, so I always enjoyed that stuff. Yeah.
The Reradick wind was I mean, that was probably the highlight,
you know, of the past few years. But Winternationals by

(02:23:17):
far twenty sixteen was was definitely my gotcha their biggest one. Yeah,
and the trophies cool. It's it's it's about this big
and it's a snow globe. Yeah, dude, that's fucking cool.
It's just like I love the big trophies. I will
always big. I will always be a big fan of
the unique trophies, like the Rattler. They have a rattlesnake
so and all that stuff. Coolest classic is the Classic

(02:23:40):
Cup and I could put a twelve pack in that
thing and then go to the bar. Huh. Yeah. The
coolest trophies we used to get weekly were New Hampshire
More speedways. Uh, Gifford's ice cream ones. They were cool.
They're like glass and one. Yeah, go grab one real quick, dad,
they're inside, go grab one there by this through your
finding these fuck oh no, it's all right. Yeah no

(02:24:05):
they're cool. They're yeah you off to see it. Yeah yeah,
yeah no, we'll put it right on camera for everybody
and understand too. So that was even cooler we we got.
They had a man on Gifford's uh JJ yoke something
I don't know. They had Molt Mountain ones because Moat
Mountain did a little sponsoring for the road course. Yeah,
they've they've had some pretty cool I think, Yeah, I'm

(02:24:27):
a big fan of that kind of stuff, and like big,
they're not big, they're just cool. No, no, no, that
it's a unique trophy. It's like I said, it's like
the classic trophies. It's like because the classic trophies are
fucking huge for a cup, and then you have like
the Rattler, you have all this stuff and oh look

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at that, Like that thing was cool. Oh that's click
glass and everything. Yeah, what's the what's the year on that?
It says fifth place? That's cool. Yeah, twenty thirteen. Actually,
the coolest trophy I've ever received was my my quarter
midget trophy. Yeah, it's a it's like bronze. I don't

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know what it's made out of, but it's an eagle.
It's a bald eagle. Oh yeah, that's another one. So,
like like I was saying, it's all another uniqueness. We
went down to Freedom Factory we want to be Maine,
and he brought home a whole eagle statue thing. This
is the coolest thing. Thompson baseball bats, gas pumps, jerseys.
It's the coolest fucking thing. I'm totally a big fan

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of that kind. Yeah, absolutely, there was what race was
it they did in Legend card. I can't remember, but
you got a fold like it was a glass guitar.
Oh the race that yeah, Nashville, well baths all. What
was it called? The glass guitar? Three hundred? Yeah, right exactly.
Alex McCollum wins him all the time. That kid wins
like every single one of them. I don't remember what

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it's called, but it was cool trophy, pretty cool trophy.
Uh so how did you get your race at number?
How did you get the number? Ninety? So your dad
ran it? Yep, Okay, yep, and so that's okay, So
how do you get that number? You just like it?
I actually had number eighty eighty okay. But then somebody

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else that knew that raised something else that did care
for had the same number. Oh rivalry, who was it?
I remember the guy's name. Was he in the Bush
series or something? Never raced against us. Oh, but I
just knew. He said hi to him, and he's like,

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fuck that guy? Fuck does he think he is? Chad's
like fucking high to you too. And then, last, but
not least, before we wrap up everything, what is your
biggest Rough and Fenders moment? Biggest Robin vendor's moment is
either like your hardest hit one of the moments that

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you were in the I received you said, I'm either
going to bring home a trophy or the fucking steering
wheel with me honestly, just be flipping that was probably Yeah, Yeah,
I really haven't been in a lot of really hard
hard Well I'm not asking for that, like it he'll
be a controversy thing too, No, I no, definitely just
flipping to be honest, Yeah, that'd honestly be probably it.
That are the water persically fucking trophies doing what the fuck? Sorry?

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Man who worked hard for that? Yeah, but I'm not
gonna lie to you this year. If this is twenty thirteen,
I think that was the year that it was after
Jacob Mary Yeah, and it was only three of us.
Woh yeah. It was occasionally for when like someone would
show up, but go, Chad, So, so who are some

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of the people that make it happen for you to
do the race? And what are you doing next year? Well,
well we'll start with what are you doing next year? Well? Yeah, yeah,
so next year, I think we're gonna just try and
I don't know you. He kind of wanted to point
a little bit, But now seeing these big races, I
don't know if I want to pinch you. I just
want to run for the money. Yeah right, guys, so

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big fronts, Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean I like staying
local just because it's close and it's you know, you
go and have a good night and come home. It's
not far. I mean, we live thirty minutes from Star,
thirty minutes from Lee, you know, thirty minutes from Hudson.
So I thought you were fucking over on the Sea coast.
I was like, Oh, this is gonna be a fucking
long day. No, no, no, no, because you guys run

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at Lee and shit like that. And I was like, oh, okay,
so they're over by the fucking Sea coast. Cool, we'll
go back over. I'd like to. I'd like to get
the White Mountain this year, and Speedway fucking telling you
White Mountain is its own thing. But at the same time,
like local tracks, like I'm really pumped for that Lee
race and really pumped for that Oxford race that's coming up,

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and stuff like that White Mountain Midsummer Classic is fucking
one that you even if you're not racing, go enjoy
that fucking thing is that the dub the acts? Yeah,
Act two fifty man. Yeah, it's the first time in
fucking in all my lifetime that I had to park
by the road. If you ever been to White Mountain
and you see where that sign is going, I parked

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right behind the fucking sign. I was like, yeah, we're
fucking packed today. I love this. This is this is
heartwarming to see. You know what I mean, we watched
that one on TV Fox. We'll see you there next year, then,
all right, you'll see me there. Yeah, I'll fucking pay
your pit pass. No fucking dogs, I'm bringing it out.
No fucking dogs. Yeah, I know, I work my way

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into one of those. So who are some of the
sponsors that you can finact now, I'm just kidding, who
are some of the sponsors that help Yeah, see, our
industries is one of them. They help us out decent amount,
uh Sinel Auto Parts, pepper Stain and Gravel. I don't
know who else we even have it at this point
because we're end season, I don't know who we have returning. So,
oh that's a great cleaner thing. Yeah, they send us.

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I was about to call that out. I was like,
who the fuck gives you all this break clean needs them. No,
there's looking over there. There's more boxes right there to
you left. I don't no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
you hear yeah. No. So I don't know who's returning
for this coming year. That's all stuff we're figuring out
right now. Gota. Well, maybe you guys are interested in

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sponsoring Casey call. He might be a hack sometimes and
get fifth place at Nan wanted to speedway the first place.
But no, he's a great kid. He's an awesome dude.
When I first walked up to you, dude, I was like,
I was like, okay, great, another little fucking kid out
here in the super. I'm not gonna lie to you, dude.
I'm not gonna lie to you, because like fucking I

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was like, okay, cool. You're like, you're like, hey, I'm Casey.
I was like, awesome, I'm ready. I was like what
the fuck? I was like, how the fuck does he
know me? And You're like, oh, I hear about you
all the time. I go, I don't know if that's
a good thing or a bad thing, but I appreciate it.
But no, you're cool, dude. You're really down to earth
and you're very humble for what you have. And then
we talked there for a little bit and you were
busy with the star and the super late Model ship

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and I was just in the way of your dad.
And definitely I'm surprised they didn't get fucking yelled at
that day. And I was like, fuck, chat, I'm sorry,
but you guys, you're a very humble kid. You come
from a great thing. I appreciate you coming on. I yeah,
if you guys are interested in sponsoring him, he's a
cool kid. And then definitely, I mean, you do run

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stout ship. You do have a good run. Yep, most
of the time you got You're starting to get down
this super late Model ship and hopefully we can see
like White Mountain and Oxford and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, no,
for sure. Definitely a big shout out to everybody that
does support us, that does follow us, that does do this,
that actually take the time out of their day to
come and talk to us while we sit in their shop.

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I'm gonna put a can I put a picture of
the shop up, Okay, I just wanted to ask before.
I was like, I didn't want anybody to come case
your house take your dog, but you're gonna walk out
the door. So I totally get it. But I appreciate
everybody that does support us, that does enjoy what we

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do and understand that we're just calling it how it
is and all that stuff, and everybody that supports us
buy shirts and all that stuff. If you guys want
to buy a shirt, go to Rough Offenders dot podcast
at dot myshopify dot com. Go get yourself a shirt.
We're gonna come out with new shirts. Track Glizzies and
Pit Lizzies. That's gonna be one. Left Side Weight Matters

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is another one that we got coming out and stuff
like that. But I appreciate everybody that does this stuff.
Definitely a big shout out to the sponsor's house, Helger,
South Coast Power Equipment, Robinson's Portable sam Blasting, along with
Gender Motorsports, and Thomas Wilding. Holy shit, almost fucked that up.
At least I'm not doing the reads. I will do

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the reads. I'll have the reads on the podcast thing
itself for everybody to enjoy this weekend. I appreciate coming on.
I appreciate you guys's hospitality and all that stuff. How
we doing, Puppy, this is nitro. I don't think he's
in frame, but this is Nitro. But I appreciate you
guys coming on. I appreciate you guys having me in

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your shop and do this stuff. This is why we
do it. I enjoy because I'm telling you, when you
guys see this shop, you guys, don't you guys want
to think that you have a whole super late model
out here. You have all the wins that you do
out here and all that stuff. I'll take pictures of
the pull down machine and the rollerer out back. Oh
but but no, you guys are cool. I definitely appreciate

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you taking the time. I know I had to reschedule
this a couple of times because of my own fucking shit.
But like I said, I thank you for coming on,
and I wish you the best in twenty twenty four.
WILL definitely be there to root you on and stuff
like that. I'll have to get you some blue ones.
If you're coming back as blue. You told me that
you're gonna give me, I will. I'll get you some

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blue ones. Put those, put them on the fucking fridge then.
But I'll definitely get some blue ones made and do
that shit. But like I said, thank you for coming
on man, thanks for having me. Have a good one.

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