RFP Vault Episode 2 Ryan Nelson 2.0 “Hurt Feelings Send Letters

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't know what everybody and everybody when using Dy
Philips here of the Rush and Fenders Pycross Soft.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Tim where we talk anything and everything about racing from
north to south at various shops. We go on as
a gun touch, unedited and no bullshit. Anyone to just
go back to the pit. Well he fucked up, he
can kiss my dad. Were talking about rules. I don't
know we got all these rules cues that we see
on the tracks. I've been waiting for this home here
even run you're reading about oh for like five years

(00:30):
in the side of me's blaming me wants them in
the day range jacket, orange jacket.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I raised it just like you join David's.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Does I get it for the wood.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
You can talk to various drivers in their shop where
they cut their teeth, blood their blood and they make
their name and the sport that we love of short
shock racing on a tree and so kick back, relax
and grab a road soda and Jory the various drivers
that we go and meet and.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Now on with the show that's always says every time, Oh,
you know we should do this, we should do that.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Scared You're scared?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
All right? Yeah, Hot Mike Ryan, How are we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Everybody? My name is Randy Phillips here the Rough Vetish Podcast.
I know you fuckers are done just listening to me,
so you might as well bring on another guy. He's
not as roached as last time we had him on,
so he should be all right. He's still got the
big fucking red bull cam going. We got Ryan Nelson.
Now we're doing Buddy pretty good man yourself. Oh, we're
doing good Man. So we're doing this in your in

(01:30):
your uh driveway. I guess we'll call it that driveway shop.
Uh fucking beautiful plays. I wish I had my camera.
It's still down at the moment, but I knew I
had to get someone on so it wasn't just me
again and get what your fucking race life is going

(01:52):
on this year? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:53):
So you've been you've been on a tear all this year.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
What do you got?

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Set?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Six? Seven wins?

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Six?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
It would have been seven, would have been would have
been seven. But I mean, we we didn't check over
ship and it is what it is, you know what
I mean. We move on and take it on the
chin and do whatever. But how has this year been
going for you? How is everything going on and everything just.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Making a pile of crap? Turn out there living the dream.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, how has the year been though? Like, no complaints,
any complaints, what.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Other than the typical nonsense. Now, No, I just go
out there to do my thing and enjoy it. I
enjoy winning with a piece of crap. That's what it
boils down to.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, no, I hear that. So we were gonna have
your whole family on, but the brother had to go
do something. Your dad's taking a nap. We'll try to
schedule something on with that. So we dived into it
a little bit when we had you on the podcast before.
But how did you actually like get by looking at

(03:07):
your yard? It was probably a long time. Your dad
started it and then you got into it and saying
with your brothers, brother brothers, brothers. Yeah, brothers.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
So the red car next to us as one brothers.
The orange and gray one in front of us is
another one.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh okay, okay, So it's a whole family event here.
So so obviously he's sleeping. When was the first time
he ever went to a track? If you remember, I
started going when I was six months old. I went
with my grandmother for the first time to watch my
father race and where was that? That was at Hudson
Hudson Speedway. So what was he what was he running

(03:45):
in when you were I mean, obviously you couldn't remember
it six months, but as the time went on.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
I think I want to say, back then they were
it was because he raised Star in Hudson, and I
want to say there were strictly stocks at at Star
at the time.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, And I want to say they were still.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
I want to say there was even late nineties, early
two thousands, they were still rookie stocks over over there.
I know they were always joked that the cheater cars
that couldn't pass tech at Star would go race at
Hudson and they always put on a show down there.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, that was that was it.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
I mean I remember, I remember going there and Star
all the time, and then occasionally at the end of
the year the open show at White Mountain. He would
always go do and oh yeah, his car, his car
would always fly up there. But yeah, I know that's
where it started. I've been going what there since I
was legit six months old. Never stopped, never never stopped.

(04:43):
I did for a little bit.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, he got out of it.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
After a while he got fed up and stopped racing,
and then me and my brother Tyler started racing again,
and we did it for a couple of years, and
then we took it. We all took a break, and
then it went right into the road course racing, which,
oh that's different. I didn't even know you road course race.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Yeah, the black Volkswagen.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Over in the corner.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, okay, that's actually still set up for like the
twenty four hour Elemons.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Oh no shit, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
The only thing we'd have to add now that wasn't
since the last time is like they require the full
on fire suppression system in the car.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
But other than that, that's fucking expensive. Yeah. When you
when you go through it, when you go to.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Build one of those cars, they give you like a
sheet with angles and everything.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Oh it's s CCA buddy.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
So what I did was I went down.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
We had brought the car down, we had stripped it,
got it all set up and prepped it all and
then went and dropped it off at David's with a
three inch thick rule book for the roll cage, and
got it back within a couple of days, and I
think we raced it. I think with the cage winning
it Wednesday, and I think we raced it that weekend.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, what year was this?

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yah, well we've been we did that for a few times.
We drove for a couple of people too. Yeah, I
want to say like two thousand, fourteen fifteen.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Oh okay, so it was like a little bit ago.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yeah, it wasn't It wasn't that long ago.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, but yeah, no, that was That's a lot of fun.
That's just that's that's stuff serious money.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well yeah, those guys spend Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Mean it's like the racing's cool because they divvy it up.
They have you have the overall then a B and
C class, so they make it like legitimate. But you's
like thirteen hundred dollars entry fees. Like we were going
down We're going down to Millville, New Jersey with truck trailer.
You know, you spend three hundred in fuel. Then you
race the car for what eighteen eighteen hours? Yeah, No,

(06:45):
it's more than that. It's like twelve hours the first
day and like sometimes depending on lighting and can conditions,
they go for like fourteen hours the second day. Yeah,
you're filling the car up all you're filling the car up.
What for you even though it's like of Volkswagen, you're
still filling it up four or five times a day.
And well, yeah you're going you're doing time.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Yeah, time.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, that's like when you spend like I know, like
the announcers were talking about it for like the Jeremy
to COURSEI memorial, like drivers spending time in the car.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
He did that. I did a couple of stints.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
I did want in New Jersey and I did want
a New Hampshire Motor Speedway where I was in the
car for like two hours and then after two hours
around a road course, you're you're plenty, You're plenty good
for a little bit and then like those you do,
like those, you switch out throughout the day. So figure
over fourteen hours of racing and at the time there
was only like three of us that were driving.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, so you split fourteen hours the three people.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
So yeah, whoever could, whoever could physically you know, deal
with it. I know, like my father would only go
out there for like forty five minutes. I mean, but
even for an old man, he's still he was still
putting down good lap times. Yeah, forty five minutes. But
after that he'd be lucky to drive the rest of
the day. It was fun.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, So with all that that you do to it.
This is a key point that I talked to Bobby
Melvin about all the time. How much do you win?

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Not much? Not much at all. I think we've gone
and we've spent probably a better part of probably ten
grand doing it, and I haven't seen a single dime back. Yeah,
exactly quickly for fun. But like the atmosphere at those
events is it's almost like I went to a party
and a race broke out.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
So, like their rules are like when the track that
they have, the track conditions are hot or cold. So
from the minute they throw the green flag, it's the
tracks hot, which is absolutely no alcohol in the pits anybody, No, no,
people that aren't participating, nothing like no alcohol at all.
But the minute they announced the track cold, the place

(08:44):
turns into like you would think it's Marty Marty Grot
down in Louisiana because it's it's insane. You can just
go from trailer to trailer to trailer turns. It's literally
like Project X. I remember when we did New Hampshire
Motor Speedway. There's a there's like a team that was
like sorry for party racing. They had like a like

(09:06):
a third gen Camaro yea, and they had broke a
drive shaft. So ever since they broke the drive shaft,
the thing was is after the races, everyone did the
drive shaft shot. Well, you do a drive shaft shot
with about fifteen different pieces of alcohol from out of
a rusty drive shaft from an eighties Camaro, You're like like, yeah,
there's tetanus in the making, but like that's the that's

(09:27):
the stuff you see drive by like a giant RV.
People are loaded. They're like doing like a pasta dinner
for like a thousand people out of their RV, and
it's like, all right, weird, but like that's the mentality,
and it's like I know, like when we were in Connecticut,
there was a team. They had like this old SOB
and the guy was an engineer and he designed a
thing that came off the exhaust manifold, so at the

(09:50):
end of a fourteen hour race, it would cook a pork.
So at the end of the race, he would open
up the top of the motor and he had all
these different like lids and insulation pulled out. He had
a freshly cooked pork after racing all day, So that
was the that was their end goal, keep the car
on the track all day so they could have a
freshly cooked pork at the end.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Definitely a different breed over there, but it's one big family.
They all know why they're there.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, and it's it keeps it, keeps it fun.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
And it's yeah, you don't.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
You don't get the nonsense and like no one wants
to like fight because it's like it doesn't matter the
guy you're driving next to, like you have like three
hours to beat him, you know what I mean, Yeah,
halfway through the day and be like all right, cool,
I have like twelve hours to pass this guy. Sweet. Yeah,
So it's like you don't.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
It's but at the end of the day, you guys don't.
It's there to just experience what racing is. You guys
spend all this money, you might as well enjoy it,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
And it's it keeps it fun. I mean, it was
it was an experience and like we've actually talked about
doing them again. It's just you know, you got to
get the time and like now with everybody with like
work and stuff, it's hard to just blow off, you know,
because those you have to show up for Thursday or
Friday to check in and get your campsite set up
and you know all that, get the car ready, and

(11:00):
so it's like it turns into you taking like four
or five days off of work, and it's kind of
like on top of spending a couple grand, it kind
of it's a little bunch.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's like, well, it's like a NASCAR weekend that you
can actually be a part of pretty much, right.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, it's cool. I mean, like the they do it
at some cool facilities, like they they even race at
uh like Sonoma and.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Stuff and yeah, yeah, yeah, they do it all over.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, we've talked that, we've talked about for a couple
of years about eventually making the trip and going to
race at some Sonoma.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
With with them because it's far fucking drive.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, that's a long way to haul race. Sure, that's
asking for it for our all beat up equipment. But
you know, nothing of hell Mary can't make you know, But.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
I mean anybody's experience alone, you know what I mean, you.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Know that's what it's I mean, it boils down to
I mean, yeah, who can say like they've done it.
Like I've ran road courses and places that people didn't
even know existed. And like when we went to New
Jersey for the first time, that track was only two
years old. It was its second it was its second year.
And what was the track New Jersey Motorsports Park in Millville,

(12:04):
New Jersey. They actually have another separate track. They have
like two and they do they do a lot of
like I know, when we showed up Friday, there had
like like the Corvettes and like the Lamborghinis and like
the Porsches out there flying around, so like it's just
kind of cool. I mean the place is what probably
like six seven eight years old now, yeah, but like
the surface when we went there it was like glass,

(12:26):
and like they have like one spot where you come
you come out of like this s curve. You come
under a bridge at almost like one hundred miles an
hour and then it's like a thirty four hundred foot
straight away just leave your leg right in it until
you get a hard right at the end of the straightaway,
and it's like, you know, it's cool. I mean I
look down, I was doing like a buck forty two
and I'm like, man, I'm flying and then here comes
a third gen Camaro with the back bumper basically touching

(12:49):
the ground and all you hear the thing screaming and
it drives by you like you're in parking, like solid solid,
And then there was like one of those guys had
one of those I don't know, like those M three beamers,
the ones that have like the like the like the
real sport model with three inch stainless steel exhaust. They
watched that thing go buy me it, like towards the
end of the straightaway, I like, look down, I'm doing

(13:10):
almost a buck fifty things just hanging mail by me.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
I'm like, awesome. I want to be that guy.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
But so how did you guys like get into it?
You guys just see a flyer one.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Day and so what it was was, uh so we
there was a buddy of ours just on a garage
and his nephew was autistic, and yeah, the Lemons racing
was more of a reachable goal for him to be
able to get out there, because it's not because their ideas.
It's it's for fun. So it's like anybody that can

(13:41):
if you possess it, you have to have a valid
driver's license, that is one part of the thing. But
if you can possess a driver's license, you can you
can raise pretty much race under there there. So like
they have like you have to like they have their
form of licensing and all that stuff that you have
to pay, you know, the typical stuff. But it was
a reachable goal for him, and uh so they did

(14:01):
want a new Hampshire Motor Speedway. And then the car
was parked for a while and then the kid, the
kid actually wanted to race at Thompson. There was a
race and that's how I got involved. At that time,
I had stopped racing for a little while. I had
my kid and stuff. And when I got the call,
they're like, hey, if you get the car ready, we'll pay.
We'll pay all the way. You just get the car
ready and tow it down to Thompson. All right, cool,

(14:23):
I'll do that. Sure, I haven't been in a car
in a while, but yeah, I'm in. And it was
that one was all right. I mean that weekend definitely
had its ups and downs. It was it was a
struggle to uh you know, especially when you're when you
go from like the like the intense like circle track
racing where yeah, and then like you're trying to race

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with someone that isn't you know, isn't doesn't understand that mentality.
It made it tough. Like we we had had we
had had a five lugnuts sheer right off the thing
and the car is getting brought in on a tow
truck and the kids trying to get in the car.
And he got mad because we told him like, hey, buddy,

(15:04):
the thing's broken, like we got to fix it. And
he like throws his helmet on the ground and he's like, yeah,
I'm done, and he goes in his camper and falls
asleep while we, you know, me and my brother took
his FRS that he had at the time. What is
it like one thirty six down there in Connecticut that
goes to Webster because I know we went to like
the Webster O'Reilly's. There's a shit here, don't fucking ask me.

(15:25):
And I barely go down to Thomson. There's like a
section of road that connects like right from Thompson to
Webster Mass And I think, yeah, me and him probably did.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Someone that listens to this will let me know, Yeah, yeah,
we went down that road. Take your fucking word for him.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Underritten twenty something miles an hour and his frs. It
was one of the scariest rides ever, but we made it.
What it was like a half hour forty minute trip
round back. I think we did the whole thing in
like fifteen minutes, and like in the whole time. It
what it took. We already had the car back on
the track, but it was it was, uh, you know,
it was stuff like that. So then that's when we
kind of decided where you know, hey, like they they

(15:58):
were going to find some new driver, so like more
people like that had no experience, so it was like
an like we would help.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Them with the whole experience.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, so like what they do with her? Yeah, So
what we ended up doing we built a car and uh,
my brother Tyler, a bunch of his friends, uh one
of his friends Dan and stuff. They all they all
drove with with that with the car that we drove
and we brought our car up to New Hampshire Motor
Speedway and it was it was fun the last like

(16:28):
the last like half hour forty five minutes. Actually, me
and my brother Tyler, he was in the like an
Oldsmobile intrigue and I was in the I was in
the Volkswagen and for like the last forty five minutes
hour of the day, me and him literally raced door
handle the door handle around New Hampshire Motor Speedway. It
was in like total two total ship boxes, like one
hundred and ten percent ship boxes and it was a

(16:51):
lot of fun. That my mom's got pictures somewhere. I'll
try to find him next time so you could like
actually show there's like pictures of me and my brother
literally order door and like the biggest hunk is a
ship one hundred miles an hour down the front stretch
of a motive speedway. I'm like, that's a fucking that's
not something everyone gets to do.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Yeah, well, no, exactly.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
It was. It was fun.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
That's why I wanted to go into it, because a
lot of people that does listen to this, they wouldn't
have no offense if they fucking if I told them
Ryan Nelson ever fucking ran it New Hair Motor Speedway.
But but it's so cool to know that, you know
what I mean, It's it's something that I didn't even

(17:31):
fucking know. I think that's the coolest thing because that's
a whole different spectrum of racing that a lot of
people don't know about, you know what I mean. And
I'm starting to touch and feel on that with like
Bobby Melvin who's building sec A cars and all that stuff,
and you know what i mean. So hearing you say
that stuff is just like, That's why I wanted to

(17:52):
go into it, because it's not the circle track ship
where you go and see Billy, Bob and Jeanie and
they just drove through your left rear for the fucking
twelve time and you're like, what the fuck? You know
what I mean, it's atmosphere. You can't pass on the
left side.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
No, they and in them they let you. They okay,
they let you overtake on any side, but not corners.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
They they do allow it.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
But if you are they what they go by is
they three black You get three black flags, and the
fourth one they park you for the weekend.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
So if you get four black flags, yeah you're fuck
your fuck.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
So what they do is this is how they try
to eliminate, like hammerheads, is if you if you drive
into someone, that's a black flag. Yeah you spin out,
If you spin yourself out, that's a black flag. If
you drive off track, like if you end up in
the grass anything like that. Yeah, that's a black flag.
And as anybody that knows road course racing, there's flagger
stations everywhere, pretty much everywhere, so there's not one part

(18:51):
of the track that's not seen. So like they so
like they really, you know, they keep tabs on it
and they're strict with it. Like you watch guys. It's like,
if you looked at that car, you wouldn't know that
it's driven a better part of you know, three thousand
miles on a racetrack.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
You wouldn't know.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
It's been to New Jersey, it's been to Connecticut. It's
been allowed in a couple of times because it's literally
frowned upon. There was there's one dent in the driver's door,
and I got dive bomb going into the chicane off
turn one, and they pulled us both off the track.
They have what they call us judges. They ask you

(19:31):
what happened, and I was like, I don't know. I
went into turn I went into that first chockane and
turned one, and all of a sudden, I got turned
sideways and the guy behind me's like, yeah, dude, I
just I just I just drove her in there eight
cars too deep and they're like, all right, yep, you're
good to go back on the track. And then what
they do is they have like stupid penalties. So what
they do is they you can get out of stuff
by donating money. And it's not like the series gets

(19:53):
the money every week. Every weekend that they raced, there's
some sort of charity there. Like when we went to
New Jersey, their charity there was I think it was,
uh it was like one of the charities with kids
with cancer and stuff. So so basically they make they
make it fun and you know, any any you know,

(20:15):
you can bribe people. So if you got like a
ridiculous car and they say, hey, this is an a
class car, you'd be like, hey, I got like one
hundred bucks that says, uh, this is a beat class car.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
And they'll be like all right, go over there.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
And and see the fine young ladies over at the table,
and they'll take your money and you know, you write
out that you donated and they recognize your name and
it's it's cool. And then they usually have a stencil
that says bribe that they spray paint onto your car
so everyone knows you're you're cocky, but uh, you know,
I mean it goes right to charity, which is awesome.

(20:50):
And then and then if you get yourself into some
dicey situations on the track, like they will opt to
let you donate money to get yourself back on the tryeah.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
But it's not like fucking harpooning people.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
They I mean, yeah, if you're driving like an asshole,
they're gonna tell you yeah, fuck. But if it's stupid
little things like you know, like we did one where
there's like this mustang, the guy just kept spinning out,
so like they ended up giving like something like they
announced at the end. I think they gave him some.
By the end of the weekend, it was over one
thousand dollars to charity. And like they were, they were
from Canada. They were a great group of guys just

(21:23):
enjoying it. They just they didn't care because they're like,
what's it matter, you know what I mean, we want
to still race and it's going to a good cause.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
What does it matter.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
It's just just money.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
I mean, I'm sure that's not the case anymore with
the way the times are, but.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
You'd be fucking surprised. Sca guys they got nothing better.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
To Yeah, they had they had an Audi. They had
an Audi and a Mustang and they showed up in
like this box truck trailer contraption.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
So the Mustang they drove.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Those Canadians.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
So they have a box truck with like a regular
like trailer like mine, and they got a set of
ramps that goes from the trailer to the box truck. Yeah,
and they're like just double stacked two by sixes. And
I'm like, you Canadian shugar, get it done. He's like,
he looks at me, he goes it works every.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Time, and I'm like, hey, I'm not gonna not get
fucking J three hume fucking kind of thing because he
had a box truck with that ship ramps.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah, well back in the day, that's how they used
to load the fucking cars into like those big fucking trailers.
I got a set of those ramps right at my uh,
right at my house that uh uh Ralph. Ralph used
to fuck use my family friend. He used to race
around here, same with his daughter and all that stuff.

(22:37):
And they that's how they used to load the semi
was just those big ass fucking red Oh.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
I couldn't tell you how many times. I watched my
father help my father, as you know, knee high to
a fucking grasshopper out here.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, go and go the racetrack.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Let's load up the car.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
And looking back, fucking two by sixes with fucking angle
irons screwed to them with ramps, and looking back, I'm like, yeah,
now we would kind of like be like, dude, what
are we smoking? Back then, as a kid, it was great. Yeah,
looking back, he was like, yeah, we just loaded a
full sized fucking money on a trailer with fucking two
bicycses screwed with a fucking angle iron.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
Are you shipping me?

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, don't fix it. If it ain't bro, fuck it.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
If Canadians are saying it's fucking working, it's fucking working.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
It works.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Just yeah, it's I mean, I don't know, I've seen
a lot of sketchy Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I've seen like poor Dakota at the time he showed
up to Hudson, I'm sitting there welding his trailer back
together with a generator in the middle.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Oh Jesus was the.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
One that ended up in the woods and fucking overhang one. Yeah,
the one that black one. Yeah, the black one. And
he's like yeah, he's like the thing bounces like I
look and like so someone at like the tubes had
had like angle iron off hat it was fu lions
split and I'm like, he's like, do you think you
can make it so I can go home? And I'm
like yeah, but I think it should be condemned after
it goes home, because this thing's a one trip home.

(24:00):
After this man, this thing's beat, but this was I
still try to I try to implement the like what
I did with the road course at I know, everyone
says like I'm a dick, and I I yeah, you're right.
I work a million hours. I'm fucking hot, aggravated. Most
of the time. I'm putting the car back together by myself.
I'm getting ready to go by myself. It's by the

(24:21):
time I get to the track. Yeah, I got a
fucking irritated look. I'm happy to be there. Yeah, I'm
not a dick and I'll help anyone. So like that's
you know, like I try to implement what I learned
when I was road course racing at the Circle track,
Like I don't know, I I'll change your tire even
if I don't know. You just tell me where the
fucking shit is, I'll do it.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, yeah, And that's how everybody is. That's how it
should be. It's a whole but like like, yeah, we
get angry at the track because we're there, we're trying
to win championships for trying to fucking win money, we're
trying to win trophies, and we're trying to not work
on our own shit when we get back home. Half
of it seca wise, you don't. One, you don't got
to worry about Billy fuck fait fucking driving through your

(25:01):
left rear, right right. And two it's a whole different
atmosphere where everybody understands they're there to just they're there
to race and enjoy the sport of motorsports.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Oh yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
There's there's literally your racing just so you can race,
and that's what it is. It's not.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Ah man, it's it's just like it's a whole different atmosphere.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
They're there to enjoy the time, and they're enjoying what
they like to do, which is motorsports, and they can
afford to spend the money that they do, and they
understand that when they're going out there there's a bunch
of other people that are spending the same amount and
the same goes for there's a lot more respect, I
feel with that style race. And I mean because we
had also looked into there's another short money style. I mean,

(25:45):
I guess like as far as getting into it, registering
and stuff like that that comes along with you know,
you got to register race anywhere.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
But I bet if you made a guy fucking charge,
if you charge a guy six hundred dollars for the
fucking weekend to fucking register just to register their fucking
whole mentality about ship, right, what would be totally different.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Well, you figure with those with those style races, they
make you register four drivers.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Now obviously there's.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
The teams you know, like you find like a lot
of the guys with like the foreign beamers and stuff.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
There's not four guys driving.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
It's like two guys and like their wife signed up,
which I mean we we do similar stuff.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
I mean, like like the last time we ran our car.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
New Jersey, I wash, they're still paying for six people.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
Well, you figure for four people.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
So when we when we broke it down, for like
if we had like five people registered because we were
going to go with, like me, well, I think there was.
It was originally it was going to be me, my
two brothers, my dad, and my dad's brother. Yeah, he was.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
He hadn't raced. He used to race in Duros.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
He had a couple of knee surgeries and he wasn't
even sure he was going to be able to do it.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
But that was what we figured. And when you figure,
when you figure it at.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Five six people, it's about four just to get the
car register and get everything. It's about four or five
hundred dollars a person if you've got If you've got
four to six people, the less people you go with.
So if it's like only four of us going, you're
talking just to get the car registered, you're six hundred
bucks apiece. That's not all the money you're spending. Like
I said, you got going down a New Jerseys it

(27:17):
was like, you know, it was thirteen hours to get
to get there from from from here, and you know
you figure trucks and trailers, you know that stuff costs
money to pull down there. So it's like it's still
the same amount of money, but it's like the respect
level is different, Like you know, you're not out there,
you know, you're not like, Hey, I'm gonna go dive
bomb this corner and just totally.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Tear up the whole side of this guy's car.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Because one you've you've just spent thousands of dollars to
come here, you only get two days to raise and
any little bit of fuck ups and they're gonna park
your shit and it's a zero zero.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Zero bullshit zero fucking there was.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
There was like an incident where there was like a
big wreck down in New Jersey and it was our
first time there. And when you're coming up to uh,
there's like an S curve and then you go you
take like a like a soft right under a bridge
down to the straightaway. Well, it had rained two days
before and it rained all the night before. So when

(28:13):
I went underneath there, there's a couple of cars spun out.
I hazed the brakes. I did a complete three sixty
yet like one hundred miles an hour, and I ran
over a cone. I got black flagged, which was the
first time we ever actually got black flagged. And I
think it was like six races that you did with them,
and we got black flag because I spun out. Because
it's just like you come up to a bridge like
one hundred miles an hour, and you see everyone just

(28:34):
go every which way. But that's the mentality. No one's
like fuck it, just leave my leg right through it
and pile right through and really kind of scurries like rap.
So it's like you don't get a lot of And
I think that's where a lot of the and we're.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Talking about like the lower divisions that we have to
fucking yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
And it's like not even that, like like I like
I people say it and like, I know, I think,
what was it? Bennett even said it was like this
division they're evenly matched. You're gonna have bumping, you're gonna
have bang, and you don't need to go you know,
like what everyone watched in that video that you shared
from Yeah, yeah, that is like that's.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Going to one extreme like right rearing, you know, trying.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
To there's no reason for you to be out there
if you're going to be like, you don't need.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
To be doing that.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
But I mean, if you're gonna go through the corner,
you're both rocking the same set up. Pretty much, whether
it's a Monte Carlo or whatever it is, they're all
they're all the same. They all got the same motor,
they all got similar transmissions, similar tire size. Uh you
can like my car I got. I got Jackiees parts,
uh parts, car parts in my car. Hers isn't impala.

(29:34):
Mind's in a pony like all the parts are unchangeable.
So everyone's dead. Even you're gonna if you you can't
get upset when someone comes through and you guys are
beating and banging through the corners and bumping, you know,
getting bumpers and stuff. As long as people at turning here.
That that like, I feel like that's where like the
disconnect is now like and it's not like people. I
feel like they just they think that everyone's out to

(29:55):
get them, Like if you if you you know your
door slap, you know, and someone gets mad, like I
did it with Jesse Tellyer in the heat race at start.
I drove it in a.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
Little a little hard little yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
And you know also in my my fairness, I know
he's no, he's no stranger to wanting to get the bottom.
So I knew if I didn't get there, there was
a good chance I was gonna have the whole right
front torn off if I if I wasn't visible, which
it's it is hard to see with the seats and everything.
It is hard to like it's like, you know, we
got when I don't got owl necks. You know, you
can't fucking snap your neck all the way around to look.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Oh you shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
You shouldn't be doing around look at you shouldn't. You
should be able to hear and feel. But like you know,
so like there's there's incidents like that. But that happened
and I have There was no words exchange, there was
no nothing. It's just it goes down as you know,
we're out there hard racing, no.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Hard racing, no hard words exchanged.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
No, no, I didn't even I don't even think I
spoke a word to him after I went over afterwards
and we I congratulated Kristen and all them after we
got bounced, and you know it's there's no hard blood.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
It's hard racing. You know, it's the same. It's the
same thing.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Like people say, well, I'm sorry I bumped into the
back of you through the corner, fucking rubbing bump and
banging that.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
That's fine, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
You're gonna go turn someone and junk their ship for
no reason or drive it in eight car lanks way
too deep and just like Molly wop their left rear
and just junk them.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
I mean, anyone can do that.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Well even yeah, I know, And it's different and then
it's and it's different for different situations, like like I've
been I'll even call myself out, like there's sometimes that
I've been a hot head, and then there's sometimes that
I'm like, I'm like, well, fucking it was just a
racing deal. We were just there at the same time.
And and obviously no matter the thing of it, like you,

(31:42):
like you said, like you guys didn't have any bad
words or anything like that. But I made sure when
I was racing, whether I meant to do it or not, Obviously,
like I said, I'd been a fucking hot head. So
I'd go over to the guy and be like, what
the fuck are you thinking by doing that? And people
people can hold me that. And I've also went over
to people after I fucked up and was like I

(32:06):
was like, well, fucking I'm sorry for fucking being an
idiot right there.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
You know that.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
I mean, it happened, and it's.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
And it's all different. Things like when I shipped you
over the fucking light pole.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
That was well, And I came right over and I
was like, here's my toe plates if you guys need anything.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
I didn't know you were gonna lift that fucking early.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I apologize what everyone like a lot of people like
that that particular incident. I know, I've had people ask me, well, wow,
how come you guys can still talk after that, And
I'm like, you got to look up to the everything
leading up to that. If you watched everyone go into
that first corner, yeah, there was already three car sideways.
I checked up not to drive through. I think at
the time, I think it was Maggie.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, Maggie was coming in.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
She was she was sideway turn one and I didn't
want to bury it into her nose. So and I
didn't look past my fucking hood pins and die, you
know what I mean. I mean, But when you know,
also like in my defense, I know, like the Volkswagen,
that thing is a Sherman tank. Whatever you hit with it,
you're yeah, hit it and keep going.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, but I made sure that came over and it
was like, I didn't fucking mean to put you that bad,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
And it's like that's but that's the difference here. That's why,
like we laugh, you can laugh about it now, yeah,
because like at the end of there was no ill intent.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
No, there's no ill intent.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
And then again, like how do you get mad for
the guy crashing into the back of you when you
just fucking stood on the brake pedal going into turn
one Because you don't stand on the brake pedal going
into turn one. No one's expecting everyone to go in
fucking crook wards, and like those incidents happen.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's just it's a bunch of
different it's a bunch of different things going on at
the same time, and it all comes to a head
right there when you're into in the corner. And that's
what it was with me and you. I didn't look
past my hood bins. You're trying to avoid Maggie. Maggie's
fucking holding on for dear life while she's going through
the garden slide through fucking star as well. And I

(33:46):
just helped you out go right with it. I was like, ah,
I forget it, and I felt like shit after too.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
You hit the light post.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
I'm like, dude, have you ever have you ever been
full tilt and go.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Through the ground through the most helpless fucking it's like
your might as well.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
It's like go stand on a hill with a slipping
slide and then try to stand up the whole way
down because once you hit that grass, you immediately pick
up those oh yeah, and you hit them if you
hit the brakes, it's twenty five.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
And then like another instance, if you're driving your car
and you hit ice and you're just there for the ride.
At that point when you're going through the grass, you're
just hoping for.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
The best and that outcoming and that outcome. I mean,
I think there was like four or five people that
all tangled it up.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
And like, oh it was bad.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Everyone's just like everyone just like yeah, whatever it happened,
like it is what it is, Like, Yeah, I remember
I finished the heat race and I'm like, man, this
thing's destination. Fuck, they got what the.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Fuck is going on?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
And it was a heat race, so it was definitely
a heat rais zero, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
I mean, And I went over to Maggie too, and
I was like, I didn't fucking mean the fucking catapult right, India.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
I didn't look past my hoodpins he fucking checked up.
No one checks up right there. No, that's my fault,
I felt, and he was just there.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
You know. I fell victim to that myself like a
few times this year, like even a hot and like
I know, like a couple of people have gotten a
little safty with me going into the corner, like you
give them a bump. But it's like like one of
the one of the ins is like the Jeremy to
Course memorial, Like the second race I started in the back.
I came, I came in and like I wasn't ready
for everyone to pretty much come to like a fucking

(35:17):
dead stop going into turn one and like, let's face it,
like you know, these these things they don't you know,
especially after the first feature, and it was really hot
the first one, so like me, I was really working
the brakes getting into the thing. So by the time
the second feature came around, if the brakes were junk,
they're fucking soft of them, baby shit. So I went
into the corner, stabbed the brakes and they immediately locked

(35:38):
up and you slid into the person in front of
you and it's like you don't mean to you know,
I mean, like and that's like the biggest thing like
I get is like people are like, oh, you bumped
into me.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
You're trying to wreck me.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
And I'm like, if I wanted to wreck you, you
would not we wouldn't know. And then like everyone's always like, oh,
I don't believe it. Well, like now that you've seen
what happens when I finally had enough, Like that's what
happens when I'm going to wreck.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
You like that Like that, like that brings it back
to like the Enduro when you were beating up on
that fucking neon.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, that was me. That was me and Cupcake.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Man.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
I I remember that race so like I wasn't even
going to race that though. You were racing for something.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
And uh, I got to call my he's actually a
still good friend of mine.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
He's got a girlfriend and he's trying to finish up
school and stuff. But uh he's young. But he he
asked me for a lot of help and I helped
him out a lot when he was racing. Was his kid,
Steven Johnson, And he's oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a
good kid.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
He's a great kid. I mean he means well, he's hard.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
That's who it was.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
I was.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
I was racing his Uh it was it was like
a Nissan center and I know Jimmy d ended up
with it, but it was like it was a big
joke because it was because that was when uh, little
what you call him Cupcake. I know we had that
the last time when I was when you when you
me and Sarah on that she's Cupcake. But I've always
known little course, yeah, always known him as Cupcake. That

(36:58):
was he was gonna sponsor my pure stock and He's like,
I'm just gonna get you a giant cupcake for the hood,
Like that's what I want. I'm like, all right, He's like, yeah,
I want it purple and pink. And I'm like, yeah,
I expect nothing else from you, Like that's just who
you are, buddy, Like we love you for you so
like and that was I think that was like the
palings and that was that was like a funny thing
because like no, like me and him now we fucking laughing.

(37:22):
So like that race, like it was like one of
those days at Hudson Man, like it was pouring, it
was shitty out and like they like go after it
and I never driven this pile of shit thing had
one he had raced it up in Grofton and the
snow race. It had one break and it was like
the left rear that was the only break that worked.
So I'm like, all right, cool ship this thing. And
you know, we got into it a couple of times,
and like obviously when you have one tire breaking, those

(37:44):
fucking don't stop, especially in a four zoneer. Those things
carried quite a bit of speed and we got into it.
But I remember when I watched him break check LJ. Man,
I was like I was coming out of turn two.
I had my foot in it. Man, I never lifted
till we were going through the because it was pouring.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
We're going through the puddle, down through the fucking oh yeah,
it was a mess.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Good. I actually that race because like obviously I got
four eyes, so like I'm like going and going into
the I'm going through the puddle. I hit the windshield wipers.
I can't see ship because there's mud and everything. I
got fucking water, like fucking pouring through my helmet. My
glasses are soaked. I'm like trying to rip my glasses off,
get back on the track. I hear ship dragging. They

(38:25):
black flagged me. I'm trying to like get my ship together.
As I'm pulling in the pits, I got fucking Jimmy
d and fucking Scottie Duval. I'm pretty sure, both with
beer and hand, that that was about to say, those
are the two firs people seeing you, and I think
I think it was.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
I think it was. It was one of the Robinson's.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
It was.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I forget when, No, it wasn't. It wasn't mad loudmouth fuck.
I feel Robbie. I think it was Robbie, mate, Robbie, Ronnie.
I think it wasn't Ronnie. No, I know Ronnie, Okay, Robbie.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Probably.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
I'm standing there and they're like.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
That was fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Don't get the fuck back out there is the So
what they did is I didn't realize they're kicking the bumper.
So what they did was they kicked the fucking bumpers
and they literally stuffed it into the radiator support so
it couldn't fall back down. Back out there we went,
and that that was a ship shot, and then ultimately
went ended my day. There was I fucking broke a
control arm coming out of fucking turn too and smoked that.

(39:20):
That was when the concrete wall was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
smoke that fucking thing down the coming out of turn two,
hit that thing and a ton fucking it dented the
Uh those stupid neons they have those chrome fucking lug nuts. Yeah, yeah,
the stupid fucking closed in. Yeah, fucking do pancake those
things so bad. They couldn't even get the fucking lugnuts off.
Had to take the lugnuts off with a fucking legit

(39:41):
wrench because you couldn't get a socket on them because
the pancaked them so bad.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, one of those things. But but people get it.
It's all different fucking things. There's different instance. You at
Clairemont this past weekend, that was ill intent. No, that
was that Mason deals. If you're gonna bump me, okay,
that's fine. If you're fucking taking my feet off the pedals,
then we're gonna have it.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
So that was another one those things.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
And like I feel like that's where where that that
started South was like we went into the corner and
everyone kind of like checked up a little bit. Yeah,
but I definitely, like I definitely gave him a little bump.
Nothing crazy. I mean, I had fucking duct tape on
the fucking headlight. Yeah, didn't didn't tear the duct tape
like I didn't. I didn't fucking fall them.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
I didn't root them.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
I just you know, I let him know I was there,
and I kind of pushed him out of the corner
and I I watched him wash up the lap before,
so I went to go underneath them.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
And the minute I went underneath them, he was like, yeah, dude, like.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
You're not from here. You're not You're not passing me,
and like that's where it all started. And I was
just like, what are you doing? Guy? And then if
you're gonna try to spin someone out and go through
all that to make that big of a spectacle for yourself,
at least make sure you turn the person. Don't don't
like not turn the person and then have to go
off the track and load your ship after you tried
to wreck someone and couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
But like how Ben said it, there's they're all did
the same fucking car. You can see, you can see
ill intent, you can see racing deals, and honestly, and
I'm being biased, I'm just saying I didn't see anything
wrong by what happened. But obviously he's his own person
and he thought different.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah, no, he thought he thought different, And like I
know a lot of people question Like I know, I
got a lot of people asking him was like whether
me and Robert Shaw were still cool and all that,
because like I know a lot of people would ask me,
like I know, your friends with Steve Miller and and
then them guys, and like I know your friends with
Robert Shaw? How does that go? And like when I
went up there, like I'm not friends with anyone, Like
I'm friends with both of them, and like I what

(41:31):
whatever whatever racing they got going on, Like I didn't
go there to settle scores for anyone.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, we're just going there to fucking support there's no
reason for the fucking what brought it?

Speaker 1 (41:41):
What really brought it along was like one, like obviously
we were racing for like national points. We were up
in the top for a while, we were up in
the top fifteen and then yeah without rape, like we
haven't raced in like over a month at Hudson, so
obviously like that damper is that?

Speaker 4 (41:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Hard? So like I went up there like one for
that and two like me and Steve like we became
friends last year when he came down to Hudson and
like once a year we've we made it like a
kind of like a pack that we would go race
with each other each other's track. Yeah, he came down
to Hudson. You go up there, Yeah, and you know
I got it. I got him at Hudson, he got
me at Claremont. He's he's beat me nowt twice at Claremont.

(42:15):
I'd love to go up there and try to race
with him, at least at least be able to keep up.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, because like I couldn't keep up with them, with
them top three, I just I was giving that.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Fucking poor pon didn't fucking help.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
After the no, I mean that thing was it.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
I knew something was wrong, like I had like I
had a slight vibration the whole feature. I didn't really
think nothing of it. I figured just the toe was
knocked out. I was like whatever. And then like when
we went to Star, like the very next we found
out yeah, like well like the whole like well we
checked the toe.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yeah, like Shane can fucking say that, because I went
into his trailer, took a sub out of his fucking
thing and grabbed the toe plates and try it's.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Like a lot of people like, oh well you you
didn't bring you brought a damaged car there, and it's like,
like I know, like people that did see it. You know,
like the minute I got there, I had torches out.
I'm wrenching on the back end that got that got bent.
I'm straightening out the rear, the rear toe so it's
straight because to my knowledge, I don't know about star
but NHSTRRA, like the back tire's got to be dead

(43:13):
even yeah, yeah, yep. So like I I know, like
I had to adjust it. So I started out by
adjusting that. I'm fixing this, fixing that just barely make
the first practice. Go out there, one lap in to practice.
You know, good old fucking my car blowing belts one
lapp in. I don't get why it does it, but
I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
All you know, I've gone over it.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
I've changed water pumps, I've changed tensioners, I've changed power
steer and yeah, I've changed it's just loves throwing belts.
I don't know why it used to be a three
race thing, but that belt was brand new at Claremont.
I just put it on before I raced and it
for whatever reason threw it. And then I put that
exact belt that it threw in practice, put it on,
did the second practice to heat race and the feature

(43:52):
and it didn't throw it.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
So it it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
It's weird.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Yeah, it's just it's one of those temperamental things. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Well we just forgot one thing. We got huge for it,
and we call the good.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, And it's like a lot of people like, oh,
oh I got I got asked a few times and like,
you know, put it out for everyone.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Do I think it helped?

Speaker 1 (44:08):
And like I know, like there was a comment made
on like one of the posts when we were you know,
after we were enlightening that people on a live feed.
We're saying that I wasn't stocked by any means, which
shout out to you. Because that Junkyard motor. You can
go get one at Wilson's too. They have them on
the shelf for three hundred bucks and uh you get
like an I think it's a thirty day warranty.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
It's great.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
I got the number for I. Actually, I think the
only thing I did I didn't even change the valve
cover gasket from the motor. I only changed the intake
gasket and that was because and no, I changed the
back valve cover gasket because when we were putting the
motor in the back valve cover got broken. That's why
I have two oil fill I have one on the
back and one on the front, and one's got a

(44:54):
breather on it.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
People, which I've also told that.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
I've actually been told by four people, all intelligent people,
that having the breather instead of the cap is actually
hurting it because those motors were designed to build pressure
in the valve cover.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
It's something with change it. Yeah, that's like so like
everyone's who you go to?

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Fuck you? You got a breather on the back one,
And it's like, yeah, actually I think someone had said
it at Hudson last year. And Dennis goes, well, if anything,
he goes, you know, considering I specialized in these things
for a long time at my junk yard. He's like,
I can tell you these motors are meant to build
compression in the valve covers. That's why one solid and
one has a screw cap because it does actually make

(45:33):
a seal.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, people will come out of the wooll, you know.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
But it's like, I don't know it's it's junk. So
after that, yeah, no, like, yeah, we were wrong, but
driving that car, if I would pay someone to go
out there and do well, you did. Yeah, because I
tell you, like as you I remember when you and
me talked afterwards, I remember you saw you were like
I watched you romp on the brakes halfway through the
corner just to get the thing to set because the

(45:58):
right front was so bound up that I could get
a quarter turn out of the steering wheel. And then
I was literally putting two hands on the steering wheel
and yanking it with everything I had. Every time I
went into the corner for twenty five laps, I was
yanking on that steering wheel trying to get it to
do what I wanted it to do. And like that's
why sometimes I could see the thing dart at the
wall or dart at the backstretch tires and other times.

(46:21):
And that's when I started clogging things up at the end,
because like my arms were physically getting tired from like
literally manhandling the thing because like I had such a bind.
You know, you get to that transition point where you're
halfway through the corner where you need that little bit
more wheel when you go to jump on the throttle. Yeah,
and right when I got to that point, the steering
wheel would lock dead. So like I needed that little Yeah. Yeah,

(46:42):
it was fucked and like I knew it, and I'm like,
something's wrong, something's wrong, And like I had no idea.
Had I had known, I wouldn't even have went through
Tech because I'm not. I'm not not gonna.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I don't ever cheat, like I Yeah, when I think
I count, I think I counted myself. I think I
counted last night when I went home. Trophies from this year,
from first, from first to third, I have like sixteen
podium finishes plus I think this year alone.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
And I've already passed.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
I know in the video Caitlin's video that's online, I
know Tyler Morris announces that that was my first race there,
but that was my third race there, and being the
first one was the driver's choice when we originally put
the billboard on the car. Yeah, I finished third. I
went through Tech that night. They did measure camber that night,
and I passed that night. So and I've also passed

(47:32):
at Lee, I've passed at Claremont, I've passed at I've
passed at hunts in numerous times, so it's not like
something that we go and do. I can promise you
if you race one of these cars, you don't want
anything more than two and a half inches of camber.
You actually want less than two and a half. Yes,
they they literally bind, they bind the axles like if
you were to go in there and look at the

(47:53):
thing right now, like you see the axles literally pinched,
and you can see where like the axles bound on itself,
like on the knuckles that the that the covers cover
on you, you see where they're all bound, and it's
It wasn't help, and it was a it was a
fucking nightmare. And at least now we got a I
got a free diagnosis from tech that I found out
exactly what the problem was. And now it's an easy

(48:14):
fix because now I don't got to go searching for
what's bent because I know what's bent because it they
were nice enough to d q us, which helped us out.
Actually saved saved about an hour of going over the
car that way.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, I mean I I knew, I knew because they
they they you know, the proper way they do it
is they do it with the driver in the car,
or they have you sit on the on like the
door edge, so like your weight is on the car
when they measure the thing. And when they came over
and they started asking me about what I said it

(48:47):
at and I knew at that point that I was like,
that's why the thing was driving like ship because you know,
I'm just so used to I don't because everything I
said it and forget.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
It like I I well, I well, washers for don't
give you secrets.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
No, it's every Everyone allowed the washers to fix it
so it can't move because if you if you slaught them,
they slide around and they can move and it makes
it easier to lose adjustment that way. Yeah, so I
knew when it was off. When I knew the camera
was off, I knew somethings bent because everything's welded fixed.
So if it's if it's focked, it's something's focked. Yeah,

(49:24):
the struts fucking bent. So whatever fucking they go, they go.
Fucking whoever was nice enough to make sure I made
that that nice fucking ridiculous Facebook page.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
There you go. I got d Q. No, I get it.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
So as we went on that little tangent about fucking
everything coming to a head, and then.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Our DQ special that we had at Star and everything.
How did your you probably know, how did how did
you go to asphalt circle track racing? And your brother
he went to dirt? Well what made him go to dirt?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
So what it started that was me and I was
running in twenty nineteen before uh covid, no, before the
Diddler on the Roof got outed. When the Enduro series was,
when the Duro series was doing the thing I had,

(50:20):
for whatever reason with that piece of shit car, it
managed to somehow be in the running to win the
whole fucking thing with like people like Frank Bryan and
Ed and Ed Flanagan showing up. It was I was like,
fuck it now, we're going to finish this out. So
one of the enduros was I think it's at Legion
Speedway now. And I know it was Rumtown before, but
I think I think it's Legion SPEEDWAYEP. So me and

(50:43):
my dad went up with that black the black money
that's behind my I know, like no one can see it,
but the one the black money's behind my crown vic
I brought me and my dad went up for the Enduro.
It was like on a Saturday, We're like, fuck it, dude,
we'll go to We'll go up there, try it out.
We have no fucking idea what we're doing. So the
Twin State Dirt Stocks there and they only had three guys,
so there was it was me, my father, Sean Holdsworth

(51:08):
and why can't I think of his name? He has
the ninety four Connecticut. I feel like I feel bad
because he's actually a good friend. I talked to him
all the time. It was a bunch of us with
real will drive V eights and they're like, hey, like
you guys all got like bars and stuff in there.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
If you guys want to start in the back, you
guys can race with us.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
So I was like, all right, bet They're like you
can race too, because like they had their their people
come over, luck over our cars and they're like, you
can race if you want.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
I was like, fuck it, you're gonna let me race, bucket.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
I'm in. So we did heats the whole thing and
like it was perfect because me and my dad had
never raced dirt. So here we are like we're gonna
race with the Twin State dirt Stocks. We're gonna get it.
We got a heat and we got a feature, so
we already got a chance to practice. So that was cool.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
So we actually went out.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
My dad finished third and the dirt stocks and I
finished fourth, and then we went to the enduro and
my dad ended up shrapnel and attire and I ended
up finishing second.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
I lost to a front wheel drive six shooter six cylinder.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
It was like an old, old front wheel drive, Oldsmobile,
Oldsmobile cotless.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Oh boy, even to rub it in a little bit more, yeah, yeah,
it was rough.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
But on the dirt, the front wheel drive with the
weight over it, it's such an It is an advantage
because you know, especially with like a stock car, you know,
you figure in the rear wheel drive. Man, you cut,
you stomp on that thing through the corners and that
things immediately sideways like I figure. And then of course
trying to figure it out too, you know, like when
you've never been there, but you've learned real quick. Where

(52:42):
like that's where the transition happened. So that's when we
started doing it, and they went up to the dirt.
They continued doing it. They went up to bear ridge
and stuff, and they were racing up there even like
Max Oliver, him and his dad gave my my brother
blew up a radiator up there, and they they gave
him one of theirs to or gave him apart to
fix his off of one of theirs to keep him going.

(53:04):
And we always said about doing it. Originally, when I
was building the car in the garage, that's what I
was going to build it to do. I was gonna
go to bear Ridge. But it's like two hours away,
and you know, it starts to get to that thing
where you get home at fricking three in the morning
and it's like, yeah, no, this ain't worth it. So
I was like, screw it, We'll build an asphalt car.
But they've still that car is still set up to
go up there. The one that's obviously next to us

(53:27):
is it's still yeah. No, I know, but how did
how did your brother go to dirt? We it's just
it was just what he wanted to do. No, it
was one of those things like we we like we
we tried to dabble in a little bit of everything,
like yeah, the road course, we've done this, we did that.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
So they they said fuck it.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
You know, there was originally they were raising these things
in the enduros, and then my brother put a three
h five legal three.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Oh, not even illegal.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
It was like a fucking old plow truck motor out
of like a fucking eighty four Chevy.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Literally sounds like slingshot, Yeah, loud truck.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Literally, I mean like his wasn't His wasn't hopped up
like some of them. I mean he was legitimately like
struggling truck, yeah, literally struggling to stay on the lead lap.
But after that he was like fuck it, you know,
like I'm not really interested in this because this is retarded.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
And then it wasn't really working out.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
But he could take that same motor and go compete
on the dirt because what he was lacking in motor,
he was gaining without tire spin. So he's like, fuck it,
we'll go try the dirt. I want to try it.
You guys tried it, let's do it. And then they
went and did that, and then then actually we did
the ice racing thing too. That was a lot of
fun too. Actually, that was a lot of fun. I

(54:39):
was actually talking to Cam Huntress on at Star about that.
On Saturday. He asked me if I'm going to go
back up to Milton three punds because I'll tell you what,
even though it's freezing a shit, ice racing is.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
A lot of fucking fun. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so
you do that too, Yeah No, that's a whole different
fucking yeah. So and actually racing on there like fucking
Kyle Larson of fucking ship boxes, ship boxes.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
I do it off ship boxes. But the the the
ice racing thing, so like I wasn't sure because like
that was one thing like my father was like, yeah,
cars on ice, Like he's like, yeah, that's a no
go because like I know, when we were younger, I
know they talked about chaining up his street stock and
going up there and doing it. But like like he
told me, I was out of my fucking mind. He goes,

(55:23):
you know, he goes, you belong playing pond hockey. You
don't belong fucking putting cars on lakes. He goes, I'm sorry,
Like the just the whole thing isn't really it. So
I went and did it, and like I was like,
I don't know shit about this. I don't know how
the fuck I'm gonna do this. So I just went
out there and treated it like dirt track racing and
like that was the answer. That was the answer. I
have I think two or three trophies in my room

(55:45):
that say street Stock B Class that I earned with
a fucking piece of shit Crowndrick that I paid four
hundred bucks for.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Yeah, loves it. Like well, yeah, ice racing's a whole
different thing too that I have to go try to
experience if I ever want to know.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
They and there too.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
It's that whole setting like reminds me of like the
like the like the sec racing and stuff. Because I
remember I broke a chain and before I was even
out of the car, Jake me Shod was jacking my
car up and taking the tire off and saying, all right, well,
we're gonna fix this. I got the stuff to fix it.
I'm like me here, I am thinking, oh fuck, my
night's done. I don't know how to deal with this

(56:19):
because I never done this. And Jake me Shod and
his crew they had the fucking car Jack DoD, They're fucking,
oh yeah, I do this. And then I'm like, well,
I don't know what to do. He's like, here, we'll
put one hundred PSI in this tire. It'll fucking love it.
It'll be mint. The fucking chain won't move a bit,
and I'm like one hundred PSI and a dealt tire like,
and I'm like, are you all right? He's like, dude,
I do it all the fucking time. He goes, go

(56:40):
put it, go, put a tire pressure gage on mine.
He goes, I'm not fucking with you.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
I go, no, I believe you.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
I go.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
He goes, no, don't worry, I'll fill up the tire
as I took like ten steps back, but I do
it now. Every time we ice raced it, I have
no problem putting one hundred pounds of air and start
on a dealt Tire's.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Scary, but I'll let you fucking do that. Jesus Christ. Yeah,
it's like that fucking video I share that I'm with
the guy that's trying to set the fucking bead and
it's got Will Ferrell saying I'm fucking scared too.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
No, it's when you're doing that, like I don't when
the first time I was sitting up the chains and
you know, we're trying to do it and like, uh,
John shed uh he ice traced before. So yeah, he
helped me out a lot. Like I was like when
I was trying to set ship up. Like I called
him and asked him a bunch of questions and he's like, yeah,
I'll just packed the internet. I'm like, yeah, the first
time we like clip the fucking clip on air thing.

(57:28):
Just let it fill and I'm like, shut the compressor off.
Wait a couple of minutes. I'm like, man, these fucking
things are going to explode, but for whatever reason, they
hold it's It's interesting though, always gonna jump in when
I when it. When like I first did it, I
was like, I have no idea what I need, and uh,
people like I think it was Jake and Jess told

(57:50):
me everything I needed and where to get it and stuff,
and they use like fork truck you use like fork
truck chain on the front, like eighty grade chain on
the front. You get like fucking inch and a half
way and then like you watch it as you're filling
up the tire, you literally got like a v under
your tire. So, like I found out the deal after
is you want the rubber to just barely touch the
ice and the chain to touch it.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
So in the change, yeah, yeah, you're just running on chains.
Your tires just there.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
This it's weird. It's like you got like the v
bar chains in the back and the roller chains in
the front. Man, it's weird, but it's a lot of fun. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Yeah, yeah. No.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
When I saw I know, a couple of ice racers
and I'm like, at least you're fucking doing that, I
wouldn't know.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
There's cool. They got like sucking a truck division they got.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Yeah, they got a lot of things for there.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
They got fucking wing sprints out there sometimes too, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
So I remember watching those.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
I remember the first time, the first practice I watched those,
I think it was Nick Berry was out there and
his wings. Yeah, so fucking dude, they do about af
I swear they're doing like ninety out there on the
fucking ice to it.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
It's insane. They got like two inch picks through the ice,
through the tires.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
It rowting, ripping, ripping.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
It's cool. You don't think you can get that much
speed out there. They're like, oh, you're racing on ice, dude.
Those ship box those shipbox eat cylinder's that are stock.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
Dude, doing like forty fifty miles an hour on the
on ice.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Yeah, on ice.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
And I'm like, dude, you going to the corner, like,
it's not like you're driving down the highway. You hit
the fucking brakes. Dude, you're gonna keep fucking going, You
better put the fucking wheel into it and you can
get and the gas pedals.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Actually you're saving grace. It's not the brake pedal.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Yeah. Yeah, if you start getting out of shape, just leave.
You start working the fucking throttling.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
It's like running on dirt exept fucking worse.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Just it's pretty much fucking it's the weird analogy of
turning right to go left.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
That's just all.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
You let it sit on the right right unless you
turn right. The faster you go.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
But I mean you've dabbled into everything sec A, fucking
all that shit, ice racing, dirt racing, fucking all that stuff.
What what is what is your goal for later on
and going on in racing doing stuff? Well, obviously you're
still doing circle track asphalt, but like I mean, like

(01:00:03):
this year, next year, all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Finish out the year. This year, I know, like we
got two more races at Hudson that plan on finishing
those out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
The old fucking billboard.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah, I mean, right, now I did the after the
latest time. You got to fucking register your GoPro.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Yeah, register the go pro that I don't have.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Uh I. Actually it is ironic because me and Jackie
were just talking about that earlier today.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
I was like, I gave her dad a go Pro.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
I was like, uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
I was like, you know how cool, you know how
cool it would be, because like what I really wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Was, like, I I know, like everyone registered under US.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
I wanted to I wanted to actually be able to
show people like what I actually go through inside the
cock y. It's a cool view and I'm like, well, yeah,
they have the visor cam and ship like that cool cool,
and like I want you to be a fucking meathead,
right It's and it's like there's a lot that goes
with it. Oh yeah, that thing is a fucking handful.
I just drive the shit out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
But yeah, it's you have that experience to do so yeah,
I mean I I I actually enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Like I wish there was less nonsense that went along
with it, Like I feel like it's not even necessarily
driver nonsense anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
It's fucking crude drama. I don't like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
I don't like people because fucking this party, this person
doesn't like this person like that shit, fucking that's just annoying.
But it's like the rate that it's like I feel
like if there wasn't that, it would be a lot
more fun because, in my opinion, the racing I like doing.
I don't want to go out and spend thousands. To me,

(01:01:36):
I get what keeps it fun for me and what
I enjoy doing is I like taking cars that don't
belong out there, that have thousands of dollars less than
everybody else, and I like to go out there and
try to do the best I can do with the ship,
the ship that I'm driving. Like a lot of people like,

(01:01:57):
oh d you CROWNVIC so fast? Can I buy it?
And I'm like, I just want you to know, like
if you want to buy it, like know that, like
there's a lot more that goes along behind.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
That wheel than just driving.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
You know, it does go good, and you know, like
I'm not I'm not like the I'm not like any
by any means, you know, like amazing driver, but like you,
it goes you gotta be fucking peanut gallery, Yeah, I
mean you gotta you gotta you like when I tell
people like when you drive, like when you drive my endurocar,
and like, that's something when I had Jackie driving, I

(01:02:29):
was like, you got to understand, like there's gonna be
times when you're going into the corner where the back
ends just gonna come out as you're going into the corner.
When that happens, turn right, hit the gas. And everyone's like, wait,
when you're spinning out, turn right, hit the gas concrete, Well, yeah,
just lay your fucking leg right on the fucking floor,
turn that wheel right. It'll straighten out down the straight away.
You know. It's like I tell people, and it's like

(01:02:50):
you see it. You see the people that don't drive
them on the edge. But when that was something I
was fortunate enough. I guess when it brings back to
like when I used to race road runners, I know,
Like I was talking about this with Tyler Morris, like
I think the one and only Don Hayes memorial I did, That's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
The fucking same Don Hayes memorial My car died in, Yeah,
I did. There was like thirty fucking sore subjects.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
I ended up breaking a gas pedal, I wrecked my car.
By the end of it was fucking totally beat. I
was running at like fucking three hundred degrees because I
lost the water pump and the whole deal. But that
was back then.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
That was what you did.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
You ran your cars. But it was like thirty seven
cars and it was a lot of fun. But like
what I always was brought up on was we didn't
spend big money on the cars. Like when I started racing,
like my dad was helping me and he's like, you
have I have a we have a couple of rules
for me to help you. If you're gonna race, you're

(01:03:45):
gonna be in the garage Friday, and if you're not
racing Saturday, you're gonna be in the garage Saturday. Obviously
to alleviate me going out and getting fucking hammered with
all my friends and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Oh yeah, that was the same with my dad. If
you want me to work on your car, you're working
on that too.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
So the other thing was was he always preached to us,
is that you don't need to spend like sometimes yes,
it does come down to eventually sometimes you just get
out bought like it happens. Yeah, look at the Piers
talks right now. Well exactly exactly I'll say it, yeah, no,
and and that was and that was you know, that

(01:04:20):
was it was in their rules but they didn't follow it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
But whatever, let me rebuttle on that. For some tracks,
it's like that. For other tracks, you're racing against people
that know what the fuck they're doing that or and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Like that was so like what like that's what I
feel like. And I've said it to a lot of people,
like the people that ask me, well, how do you
do so good in the six shooter because my whole
race career growing up, I never had the car where
I could just fucking fight the thing through the corner,
turning like shit and stomp on it down the straightaway
and out motor everyone because I was brought up. If

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you want to learn how to race, the respectable way is,
you're gonna go out there and you're gonna race with
half the motor and you're gonna have to learn how
to momentumy So if you're momentum racing, contact fucks up
your momentum.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Well that's the same thing with six years And that's
what I tell everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Yeah, so that's they can beat and bang all they want,
but that guy on the top side is just gonna
fucking roll right by you, right right, and you watch it,
I mean, and there's even tidbits of like there's tidbits
of it that you watch, like even in the video
froms like Star like you watch like towards the end,
I start to put a little bit of distance on Kristin,
But that's because Billy Eastman was coming on strong. And

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when you once you have someone on you like that,
it breaks your momentum. Yeah, and then oh she was
trying everything. She come and that, and and she's running.
She was running me hard, and I got nothing but
respect for the way that race went. And that was
a good race. But like even then, like she was
keeping me honest. But what that does is it also

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it doesn't allow you to carry the full blown momentum
because you can't you can't do exactly what you want
to do because you have someone right there. So it's
like you kind of it kind of messes up your momentum.
But that's one thing that I've always been used to,
is momentum racing. So it's like I know that if
I sit here and I fucking have someone sitting on

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the fucking hood of my car going through the corner.
I know that that's only gonna slow me down. Yeah,
I know, if I come sliding through the corner, I
know I'm only slowing myself down.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
So like you try to you try to avoid those things.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
And like that's what I like about the Sixers is
it allows six eras. Yeah, well it keeps it, It
keeps warriors.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
It kind of reminds me of like back in the day,
like the old like before street stocks became many late models.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
You know, they were, Yeah, they were fucking actually street
stocks where you know back you know, I mean, but
they had their own thing. They're running against a guy
that knows what the fuck he's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Doing, right they they you know, they had they had
stuff like that. But even back then it was it
was still a lot of that back then when it
first started, Like you watch videos like when Oscar Leclaire
was driving, like I think it was like a Malibu
back and the late nineties, Like you watch him, like
none of them guys had like insane motors and ship
like they were all they're all fucking three fifties.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
I'm you know, you remember hearing it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
They fucking go to the junkyard, pulling out, pulling out
because obviously back then there were dime a dozen and
you go out and race and it teaches you momentum racing,
which is a lot more fun. And it's like I
tell everyone, it's it's it's achievable. And when you know,
you go out there and you got ship, it's fun. Yeah,
you know. Like of course, now like I'm you know,
I plan on I don't plan on racing as much

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next year. I plan on doing more like cherry picking
on what I do. But like fucking albio. Yeah pretty much, yeah,
doing exactly you know. And and it's like, nah, i'd
say that he knows and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
He's another one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
He helps me out a lot, but like, yeah, well no,
he knows his ship.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
He knows his ship. But like, you know, the same
thing goes people. People like say to him he went
through a smear campaign and how he was always cheating.
But it's like, you know, that's you know, like I
say to him, and like I know, like people give
him ship because like he stopped racing a little bit
this and that, but that I I I helped him
over the Winner.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
A couple people helped him over the Winner. Yeah, that
car is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Nothing more than him and his knowledge and a couple
of his buddies helping him out put it back together.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
There's times like I know, I was just talking to
him before you had showed up.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
You know, he's in the garage right now, thrashing on
that thing all night long to get it ready for
two fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Yeah, and I thought he wasn't racing, No, and that
was the thought he was selling it and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
But get edge again. No one, no one, He had
like no real bids, which is crazy because that was
a killer deal that he had that up for.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Yeah, but I when no one really bid on it. No,
there was no real serious things.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
I know, He's like, fuck it, dude, we'll go up
and race the two fifty, because like obviously that's he's
a racist race. He's a race, you know, and he's
he's not only can he drive, he knows what he's doing.
But like it gets down to like where I'm at
with it is it's like it's hard with work and
this and that to a court, Like even if you
have people that are willing to help, it's hard to
coordinate time to have everybody in one spot at one

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time and to get the ship done to get the
ship done.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Half the time, it was me and my old man
out there Friday night, fucking back the night before.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
And that's what he runs into. And it's like a
lot of it is him, Dennis and his dad sitting
there putting a fucking car together how many times, you know,
and with late model racing, with especially with at that level,
at that level, it takes a lot, a lot, a
lot of work, Like I know, step by step what

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we did putting that car back together, because like I like,
we we carried that thing into his trailer bear just
to chassis so he could paint it. Yeah, and it
slowly got reassembled and the amount of work that just
went into that and the just it's a lot, and
it's like I get it gets to the point, you know,
and it's like things start not going right, you got problems,

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and it's like how much time are you literally gonna
sit there by yourself and put into something before you're
like fuck this, dude, I'm I need a fucking break
because people don't you know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
That's another thing that like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Goes into it, you know, with with everything now, that's
why not not to get off like subject of like
you know, I know like we're talking about what what
the plans are, but it's like that's that's one big
thing is like people don't realize. I don't think people
realize just how much time goes into a competitive car.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
I remember last year, last year at Hudson, I was
fortunate enough to park next to the guy that always smiles,
Dave halliwell, and he looked at me and he goes,
you never stop working on that thing. I go, no,
because I can never be fast enough. I always got
to there's always a way to find more speed. And
he goes, that's why you do good, he goes, because
the people that run up front no matter what you drive,

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whether he goes, whether you run up front in enduro
or you're running up front in a big block super yea,
it requires this.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
You know, the same amount of attention.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
In each division, each division to run up front at
a competitive level every inle week.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
It's a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
There's a lot of time that goes into you know,
goes into that. Like I had a couple of people
at the end of the year last year like, oh,
that's awesome. You want a championship, And I'm like, yeah,
that's awesome. I missed out on time with my kids.
I missed out on going on trips that my girlfriend
wants to go on, and you know, go sight seeing
and doing all all the stuff that you know, you
see people that you know some of it, and some

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of the people are the people that you see bitching
about you online. You know, go park a car in
a fucking parking lot and don't work on it. But
then when I come lap you at lap twelve, you
cry about my car is not legal.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
Well there's the difference.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Well there, Yeah, that goes back to like how they
how it's different between each track. You got people that
bitch about you that don't want to work on their car,
and and like I'm a good known thing for that,
and like like when I won my two or yeah,
my two races, I was working on that car every
week because I because I had the time to do it.
Right when I when I went off that schedule, I

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went to absolute dog shit. I mean maybe a top.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Five maybe, but I'm I'm paying the anybody to like here,
it's like done with work and stuff. I don't have
as much time as I would like to put into it. Yeah,
I feel like that shows, like you know, this year.
Do I feel like we could have muscled out a
few more wins already than we have, yes if.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
I yeah, no, And and you know still have All Star.
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
I'm not knocking what we've accomplished so far because like
by all means, like anybody that is fortunate enough to
have a season like I'm having. I got a trophy
from every track I've raced that this year except Claremont.
But you know that's gonna be a tough pill to
swallow because, uh, I just I don't have enough car
to race up there. Yea, And you know I will

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probably go back because I'm stiff headed, and I do,
I do want to try one more time by the
end of the year. As bad of an idea as
it is, I'm just too stubborn head. But it you know,
it's a lot, it's a lot, and the car is
not not always one hundred percent. I don't do a
lot of what I did last year. I mean a
lot of last year. I was able to wheel the

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thing in the garage too, and actually have a flat surface.
I mean, I know you can see it, no one
else can, but.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
This is You're limited.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
Yeah, I'm limited.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
I mean, we got seven thousand vehicles, and I mean
you see the driveway when you pulled in, you find
me a level spot or even a flat spot to
fucking try to measure something straight.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Yeah we're on a thirty five.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
Yeah, well pretty much.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
I mean, you know, but it's it's it's tough, and
you know, yeah, I get to sit here and do
it all the time. It gets it gets tiring. So
like when when I see people like Albi do that,
and you know, you can understand it and you can
respect it because people like that they have the respect
for the sport that they have and strive to go
out there and do the best they know they're capable of.

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And to put all that time in it, it's it's
a lot, and it's physically tiring. I mean I think
on an I think on an average week, you know,
you probably spend almost just as much time working on
a car as you do at your job to pay
your bills. And it's oh yeah, it's always been a
second job, you know, And that's you know. Then it's
like when people say, well, how come you're able to
do that? Un I says, well, every week, you got

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to have a checklist every week. You know, you got
to check your ball joints every week. You got to
check your you know, you gotta check your hubs, you
got to check you got to make sure all your parts.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
Are moving freely.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
And you gotta you gotta do all that stuff because
at the end of the day, that's what keeps you competitive.
And I mean, what really gave me that whole, like
gave me an even better look out besides Albe and
people like Rob Wilcox that I've been fortunate enough to
be able to get information from over the years. Yeah,
and like my father and stuff is like I watched
a segment I watched Bowman Gray on Discovery Plus, and uh,

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not that I'm a huge fan, but Bert Myers, he's
you know, he goes through a sequence of what he
does to compete at a level heat a competitive level.
It's not yeah they race modified, but he takes the
car part, puts it back together, and make sure every
single part functions properly because that's the only way you're
going to be in the top three every week. You know,

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like some people like you know, I know, John made
the made the joke and Victory Lane, Oh yeah, you
haven't left here without a piece of hardware, and it's like, yeah,
well it's kind of you know, yeah, well the amount
of time I put into the thing and the amount
of effort, and you know, like, oh this part's questionable.
Fuck it will buy a new one replace it anyways.
You know that that's the extra mile that you don't

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see a lot of people going to. And unfortunately that's
no matter what you're racing. It takes like you said,
you know, when you won your two races there, when
you win the big one, you won the cut, you
won the fucking cup up, it's yeah, you know, but
it's like you said, how much time did you how
much feasible work time do you think you had into
that car? Probably what thirty forty hours before you raced it.

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You were were wrenching on it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Well, not that night, but yes, you know what I mean,
over the course of the time. That night was a
fucking drinking decision. Me and uh, me and my buddy Tim,
we were sitting there, We're like, fuck, we ain't got
nothing to what's going on today? I go, oh, it's
fucking Friday night at Star. They got that big ass cup.
Now we can try and go win. He's like, let's go.
I was like, all right, So he went and washed

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the car and brought it down and we did a
little bit of watching.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
You know, I know he's underplay, but I remember watching
you guys, you know that that season itself. I watched
a Facebook posting or a snapchat. You know, you guys
were out there at fucking two o'clock in the morning.
Oh yeah, three o'clock in the morning, might as well.
And you see the car still on the lift getting
worked on, and you're like, oh, well, fuck, he's gonna
show up and probably be pretty fucking good, because you know,
if he's got a halfway decent setup in the car,

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does what he wants, well, we're fucked because he's got
time to work on his car.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
Finally, I wish that was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
When I raced against it. Yeah yeah, but I remember
the week's leading up to that. I'm like, man, this
kid's fucking in that garage. I mean that fucking things
that come out if it's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
I wish I had the results you fucking had, man.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
I mean, but you know, I mean a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
A lot of it's different though, too, because and I
feel like in the pure stock division there's so much.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Like almost like a wide variety. Oh yeah, big time.
You know, it's it's tough, but you get with those forebangers.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
Man, and you get what you get.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
I mean, you got people like David Lynch out there
and like a Nissan with an automatic you got, you
got eighties rabbits, you gotties integras, and then you got
you know, in some places you got cavaliers.

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
You get two thousand and ten.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Sis and that's a fucking joke, and you got stuff
like that. But it's like with these ship boxes, it's
it's easy because I feel like it's easier because if
you have a halfway decent setup and a halfway decent
keep your head.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
You know, you're able to keep your head on your shoulders.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Yeah, and you don't drive through ship You can pass
a lot of fucking cars really easily just by keeping
your momentum. And that I mean you feel like, I know,
like when I go out and when I finished.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
The street stock, like, you're gonna find out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
I'm gonna finish this and like do I expect the
same results?

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
No, no, You're gonna find out. And it's and that's
not against you, that's just yeah, now it is that's
the territory.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
That's the territory with it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
I mean, street socks are the numbers one competitive vision
out there out there minus minus the fucking cause I
got a couple people from thunder Road and up North
and the White Mountain guys they'll say, they'll say the
Late Models, but you guys get what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Yeah, and I mean it is the Late Models and
the fucking street sucks. They're the number one most competitive
thing out there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Even then the one thing about the street sucks, they're
competitive asphalt and dirt, oh yeah, Like you watch those
Bristol Naturals.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
Those were fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Monte Carlos and Malibu's out there on the dirt and
there was Big Mota then they showed up, like yeah
they and those are some of the like, you know,
you see some really good drivers in that division. It's
arguably probably some of the best drivers in the world.
Race at your local circle track in the in the
street stock, right, that's just honestly them. A lot of

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the people put on a good show. And it's like
to me, it's always it's not about at this point,
like it's not about always, Like I don't want to
go out there and win, Like, of course you go
out there to do that, do I know it's an
uphill battle from where we are, Yes, But for me
at this point, like I'm on the back part, like
I want to try to.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Get my kids into it. I want to get them
into cars.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
And you can do that while you're yeah, and I
plan on like I'm not like walking away from it.
But like next year, like I said, there's gonna be
a lot of cherry picking, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Well, that's that's fine. Points racing is just for people
that can afford it. Man sucks, And I've never been
a points racer. I was a points racer the first
year I ever raced competitively at fucking Manadknock with my
old man, we had two cars. By the fucking time
of halfway through the season of running points races there,

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we had two junk cars. And there's no reason to
fucking I And after that, I just left a sour
taste in my mouth. I can give a shit about
a fucking sixth place fucking plaque or third place fucking
plaque when I'm fucking having over thousands of dollars into
these and this is for every competitor, right and and
I get it. I understand people why they want to

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go out there. They want to chase, they want to
chase wins or if they want to chase a championship
or anything like that, and I totally get it, and
I understand the grind. But it's different, fucking it's different
flavors for different people. And that's why when people tell me, well,
I ain't gonna points race, well, okay, that's fine, that's
I'm one hundred percent for that, And people are like, well,

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I want to fucking win a championship. I'll be there
every week. I'll be like, that's fine, you can fucking
do that. And there's nothing different, and there's nothing different
from you cherry picking races, and we can call it that,
but it's just fucking taking a step back a little
bit and this and just recollecting what you did. Like
this whole year I took off, and I've done it before.
I've taken a whole year off and called it good

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and was like, I'll just hang out and watch what's
going on and recollect what the fuck I'm doing, and
then when I'm good and ready, I'll maybe do it again,
you know what I mean? And all this year. Man,
I've been trying to get my old man behind the
fucking wheel again and he's yet to do it. But
I've been waiting for him to get it back.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
I try to do the same thing with my father,
but like they're fucking stubborn. They're stubborn, and like I
feel like at the same time, they're like like it's
a way of them saying, like, hey, kid, fucking uh,
I don't do it anymore for a reason. Like I
said something to my father today, I'm like, so, when
are you gonna go fucking out there? And he's like, ah, man,
he goes, I have no interest in anymore. He goes,

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he goes, It's just as cool to me what to
watch you load up? And I think that's you know,
it's cool. I think that's my old man too.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
Yeah, you know, And that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Like my dad was there and we'd be fucking arguing
in the pit.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
But that's why a lot of me and my father
we don't. You know, a lot of people don't see that.
I feel like because me and him are both equally.
Oh that's everybody with their father, and like you fortunate
Unfortunately for me, my dad is what like he'll be
sixty in April. So like old school as a motherfucker,

(01:22:12):
Like he fucking used to push his fucking pinto into
a fucking snowbank to change the fucking starter, you know,
like those guys like the truck, like you watch the
bullshit like that, like my truck.

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
That's the stuff like we I grew up with watching him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
Yeah, So when I started racing front wheel drives, he's like,
you better fucking find some friends, kid, because he's like,
I don't know what they'll do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
I think everybody that's been in a front wheel drive
that as an old man that used to race, has
had the same conversation with his old man, because my
old man said the same thing. He's like, what the
fuck you mean front wheel drive?

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
I go, well, that's what I can afford, man, I
can't afford no goddamn street stock, so you better brush
up on it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
And my dad was like, you better find friends. And
that's that's the biggest That's how I know Hondas so
much because I sat there and I fucking did my
research on what works, what will not work, what will
definitely send your block right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
And that's what everybody did. It's trial and error. I mean,
I find myself now like all the problems at the track.
I'll call him, what do you think? And he's like, well,
if I'll tell you what I would have done with
my car, I'd put a I'd put a wedge underneath this, spring,
this and that. And I'm like, all right, well, you're
fucking useless. I'll talk to you later. And he's like, yeah, man,
I told you, I got no fucking idea.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
You're on your own.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
And I'm like, yeah, but when you get that street stock,
he'll fucking be like.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
Okay, no, I mean, and it's that part's fun of it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
And at this point for me, like I don't even care,
Like I could ride around and a fucking back and
that thing. To me at this point, it's something since
I was a kid, like I've always been more into
racing than like my brothers, Like I I not only that,
like I went and traveled around with my grandmother and
watched the super late Models for a few years, traveled around,

(01:23:53):
went to wistcast it, this and that. My grandparents knew
like Johnny Clark and stuff and good wheel right there,
A great wheel guy's been in good wheel for a
long time. Oh yeah, like this, like I watched that
stuff like me like then, like during those times, like
my brothers are off doing other things, living their life,
fucking sports, this and that, but like racing has always

(01:24:13):
been it for me, Like that's no matter what, I
can't get away from it. So like I enjoy it
at this point where I've been able to do what
I've been able to do with this ship box. I
went this year to prove a point because I had
a couple of people say, oh, you got lucky. There's
no way you can go back to back because that's
almost impossible. So at this point it's more of a
even though I don't drink, it's a hold my beer

(01:24:35):
and watch this moment. And I've pretty much made that point. Yeah,
like I said, I wish I had the success you've
had this that now next year, like I'll probably do
like open like the not open shows, but like the
special races.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Yeah, so pretty much Nelson just told you he's fucking illegal.
Don't even look at it this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
I plan on doing more family the Orient it's the
flat next year. But like I'm obviously not gonna get
rid of the car. I'm gonna keep the car, I'm
gonna finish building the other car, and then basically just
kind of almost do like I kind of envy what
like Chris Watson's been doing this year because like I
will say, like going to Claremont and then going to
Star like this past weekend, like it brought the it

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brought the fun back in it because like when you said,
when you're points racing, it sucks because not fun. You're
not seeing new people, you're not racing new tracks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
It's not just that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
Then, like you know, when you're out there points racing,
like and I'm as you guys. I'm sure you guys
did when you were points racing at Manadnock. It's like
you don't push some envelopes because you don't want to
fuck up the car because you can't afford to push
an envelope because if you wreck out, so and so
is gonna gain X amount of fucking points.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Yeah. I worried about that until halfway through the season, right,
and then I got drove through and I was like, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
I mean at this point for me, like that's kind
of why I started venturing off and racing other places,
because like we got two races left, maybe three if
they make one up that got rained out, that got canceled.
I think that was one for the heat or whatever.
Then they went to have it again and then it
rained but like which was a good call, No, I
mean for the heat. Holy yeah, no, that I think

(01:26:14):
that day they canceled. I think before the before like
the feel like temperature it was like ninety eight degrees out.
I mean, yeah, the heat didn't and there there there's
like also not a lot of shades, so you know,
all the drivers are in the pits, bacon, the fans
are sitting there bacon, and you're just it's just a
miserable day. I mean, you can't have people passing out.

(01:26:35):
That just takes the fun out of it. And then
the ambulance is doing their thing and all that, and
it's it just there was a good call all the
way around on their part. Oh yeah, yeah. No at
the point now where at like with the updated points,
it's like seventy six point lead right now, so like
basically take the green flag for the rest of the
year and that's it. So like, was I worried about

(01:26:58):
having a car wrecked going somewhere else now?

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Not really well, no, no one does.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
You know, because I mean I can pretty much make
anything run and drive good enough to take a green flag.
So like, at this point, like not to not like
being cocky, but at this point that's all I have
to do is I have to show up and take
the green flag and no one can beat me. So
it's like, especially with the car counts, they're like, you

(01:27:25):
pull off, if you do one lap, pull off, you
get you get P eight, you know what I mean.
So it's like there's not you can't lose, you can't
put a dick, you can't look. It sucks. I don't
like it. You know how much I know, I know
you know how much fun I like the opening day
at Star when we went and did that Driver's Choice race.

(01:27:46):
You know much fun I physically have.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Well, it's always fun racing a bunch of fucking people, Yeah,
instead of racing the fucking same seven people that are like, yeah,
we'll just deal with it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Well, I mean, let's let's face the I mean, it's
just the facts of it. Every week at Hudson, I know,
you're you're either gonna have Ryan McCarthy up there, you're
gonna have Peter Jarrick up there. I'm gonna be up there,
and Michael's gonna be up there, and if one of
us don't break, that's gonna be your pretty much top four.
And you know that every week, and it's like it

(01:28:18):
sucks and that that makes it no fun. I had
a lot of fun at Star when we went up there.
I started fifteenth and finished third in thirty laps or
thirty five laps, whatever the fuck it was. That was
a lot of fucking fun. It's almost like that's one
of the enjoyments of enduras. That's what sucks about watching
those dwindle down, because that was the pure fun of it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
You're, well, they fucking did it to themselves. Well, they
did it to themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
I'm not. It sucks that they went away, but they
did it to themselves. That's the same thing with anything else.

Speaker 4 (01:28:49):
That's why I've done five howlers with my endurament always.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
It's it's just the idea of being out there with
that many at once. Oh yeah, is a blast. Because
when you only have X amount of cars, like once,
you guys get single filed out, it's no fun. You
don't race with anybody. Yeah, there's no nothing. I mean,
like that was what's cool about like the back end
of the day in duros. You'd be out there fucking

(01:29:15):
you could be running fucking P thirty and you're out
there scraping doors with someone and you don't even know,
you know, there's just race. That was fun about the
old road runners like you, Yeah, and one out there
racing with someone. No matter where you were on the field,
there was someone to race.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
And and so like to uh to go into to
go into it, sorry to go into it even more.
We used to have that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Yeah, we used to have a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Wanted to want to show up and all that stuff.
And then as you see people either moved up or
moved out or now you got street socks that do it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
And that's that's about. I mean, we're just gonna call
it out is that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
And and people can try to try to fact check
me on that, but it's pretty much just street socks
that you have. Everybody show up and they're trying to
do that's the number one competitive thing.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
Yeah, and that's why making that jump.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
And it's the same for six not the sin six shooters,
the sling shots at start. You gotta make a product
that everybody wants to come and raise, right, And look,
look at fucking thunder Road this past Thursday, thirty two
Street Stocks and we're going into the Sunday review that
I have to do. But thirty two Street Socks seventeen

(01:30:33):
Road Warriors, and then Late Models had twenty and then
it was Flying Tigers had like twenty eight or something
like that. But those are all the same people. It's
a different geographic I totally get. But at the same time,
they say they left this shit alone. They said, this
is what you do. If you're not like this, guess

(01:30:54):
what get fucked. And that's what it was, and that's
what it used to be. And now it went different
and it is what it is and you can't really
do much about it. And it's and it's not pointed
at fucking anyone. That's just what happened. Everything got relaxed,
and everybody was like, why the fuck would I want
to go to a track and race? And like you said,

(01:31:16):
you got four people, and I mean, you can't really
cheat in a fucking six shooter, you know what I mean,
You literally can't. Well, I mean you can, but you
can you can't, and you can, and you can't. You can,
but you're gonna fucking replace the motor at the end
of the year. You can, but they already fucking amended
whatever the fuck it was.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
Yep, And you know what I mean, it's it's that
it's the way it is.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
And one thing like if you go back, like you said,
you look at what they've done over the years, and
like you do research a lot of those tracks they've
been running, like the ones up north, they've been running
the same shit shit for years. They don't change anything,
and everybody's held accountable. I mean, I know personally. I

(01:31:59):
talked to Alvi after he won that three thousand dollars
in Claremont and thunder Road Yeah thunder Road, my bad.
And they literally made sure everybody was legal. Yeah yeah,
And it didn't matter if you were a little billy
fuck face or you were yeah, or you were the

(01:32:20):
fucking pope, Like if you weren't right, you were getting tossed.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Yeah. And obviously we're on the outside, not to cut
you off, but real quick, and obviously we're not on
the outside looking in. Obviously there's some talk of like
favoritism up there. But when I look at it as
a whole. Anybody that's anybody who's getting fucking tossed, you
know what I mean. And that's what how it should be.
It shouldn't fucking matter what you do, who you bring,
or whatever. If you're fucking illegal, you're illegal. It is

(01:32:44):
what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:32:45):
And it's like that you and me had.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
You can't you can't have everybody bitching about tech because
obviously progression of ration of racing in itself happened because
of lack thereof tech.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
Now we're gonna bitch about it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Like there was there was a story like I was
talking to my father the other day, like we're at
work and we're shooting the shit about racing as we're working,
and he's like, he goes just like the shit he goes.
They specifically said there was an intake that was illegal
when he was racing. Yeah, the top five went across
tech and all five of them had said intake and

(01:33:22):
instead of healing them, they're like, oh, well, fuck it.
All of you have it, so fuck it. It's just okay.
Now that's how you end up with cars. This is
how you end up with cars that don't necessarily resemble
what they once were without people checking shit.

Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
So it's like, and then you have a.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Guy that wants to get into racing that sits there
and reads your rule book and goes.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
What the fuck right, And that's what it boils down to.
So it's like you can't you can't bitch and say, oh,
progression of race and this and that, then have have
the track, get the people to do the job that
they want them to do, and that everyone is bitched
for years just have tech, so shit, so people don't
get away with ship, and then you get people pulling

(01:34:04):
up to the fucking tech line. Yeah fucking I ain't
pulling my ship apart for a fucking one hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Yeah, it doesn't work like that. You can't bitch about
having no not having tech for all fucking however years
and then when you show up to tech you don't
pull it, so like that doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
So like, even if you're.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Going and this isn't isn't a shot that of recent
we're just saying as a general thing.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
I'm saying as a general thing, yeacause like.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Because recently we had the Monadnock ship. Yeah, well, and
that's some of it too, But at the same time, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
It's everybody, it's it's it's it's everything as a whole
and ship like that is is why you have cars
that look the way you do. I remember, like over
the winter when we were really making progress on the
street stock, because as you saw, it definitely looks more
like a street stock than it does a regular street car.
But like it was, yeah, you remember what it was

(01:34:55):
when we had it to what it is now. It's
it's night and day. But I remember there was one
night my father came to make sure we were still
out here because all the lights were on, and he
walked in and he looked at me. He goes, that
ain't a fucking street stock. He goes, that's a fucking
late model. And I'm like, no, that's that, you know.
He goes, no, I go that's the that's the new way.
And it's like, you know that that happened because oh,

(01:35:17):
fuck this, I'm not going to tear it apart or
fuck this. We're just gonna let this go because all
five of all, you know, all eight of you out
of a out of fifteen people are running something you're
not supposed to. So we're gonna make it legal now,
which isn't a dig at anyone. It's more or less
like it's happened everywhere. It's happened. It's and it's not
just it's not up here, it's down south, it's down south,

(01:35:37):
it's out west. It's it. Fuck. I've even, I've even
because like I, I don't sleep at night, I got insomnia.
So like I read about because I love this sport,
I read about racing that goes on in like Australia
and ship. There's shit going on out there the same ship.
And what it boils down to is like they give
us a rule book. The tech guy's there. If you

(01:35:59):
pull up and you finishing whatever they're doing that night,
whether it's top five, top ten. I remember I watched
you when you came down to Hudson that last year.
You finished in the top ten and they said top
ten in tech. Your ass was in tech ready to
get your balls busted.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
So like that's a fucking understatement, but like that's.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
What, yeah, you need to let happen.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
So if you are gonna pull up and say, hey,
I'm fuck this for whatever whatever the purse is, we
all know what the fucking perse to every track is.
It's no fucking secret, especially if you you know, like
I can tell you right now, it's one hundred and
twenty five dollars to win at any NHSD or track
for a fucking six shooter Pierce Stock. Yeah, it's it's
no different, you know what I mean. So it's like

(01:36:42):
you get seventy five for second, fifty for fucking fifty
for third, and I mean I got a check for
eighth and fifth, eighth and third, and there was a
ten dollar difference. I got fucking forty dollars for eighth
and I got fifty dollars for third. You're not making
big money, but it's the principle behind yeah, exactly. You
know what you signed up for, so you know, per

(01:37:03):
the rules that the tech guy is going to say, hey,
we're pulling this, and if you don't like it, then
get fucked.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
And if that's and if you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
Want to pull it, then you've got no fucking You
should just shut up because like you're not you're only
that's like really fucking you're you're bitching about what everyone
was bitching about.

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
What they wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Everyone wanted a tech guy that was going to sit
there and say fuck you, fuck you, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
This is stuck.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
You're good, fuck you, you're illegal, get out of here,
get it fixed, and bring it back.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
And you know, like that's where a lot of they
don't get to fix it for next week or anything
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:37):
And exactly, I get the.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Grace period, but what we just went through, you get
the grace period, and then you still have people bitch
about it. And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, Okay,
I get it. I get the grace period.

Speaker 4 (01:37:49):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
Well, you have to understand what the fuck you're looking
at first, and then second time you tell them what
they need to fix, and they come back the same
time and the same way, then you're fuck you, you
know what I mean. And I also get to like
still holding them accountable.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
The fucking tech guys are you know, they kind of
got like a thankless job. Yeah, and it sucks. And
they're the ones that have to sit there and tell
someone that they know that's worked hard on their car
that you know, hey, sorry you didn't make the cut.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
But at the end of the day, at the end
of the day, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
I can I can see you know, maybe the first
two weeks, you know, hey, you know this this isn't legit.

Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
Yeah, but anything after that, you know you're done.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
And then like I also get where there's some tracks
where you know, I know there is scenarios where Tech
has switched you know, mid season and you know. I
not that it makes it right, but if you switch
Tech mid season and they want to get a they
want to get two weeks to get a feel for
what's out there before they dq people, which I can
understand that, you know, but like at the end of

(01:38:51):
the day, like at this point in the game, whether
you've switched Tech or not, like what happened to us,
I mean, I've ran three rates. Is that I've ran
three races at Star I got fucking bounced. Yeah, that's
how it should be. It should be across the fucking board.
You should be bounced. Where threequurt We're over three quarters
the way through every season, like Bowman Gray's already done

(01:39:13):
thunder Road. I think they didn't they just have their
last like actual points race the other night.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (01:39:18):
I think I saw that online.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
I can't. I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
No, no, no, no, no, no, they got more they
got I think they said something about like there was
like similar.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Oh it's the last it's the last week that they're
doing Thursdays. They're racing Thursdays. I don't know if it's
the last points race.

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
But neithers say everyone's winding down.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Yeah, but up there they don't have to worry about
that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
No. And then but like at this point in the season,
like if your ship's not right, make it right or
you're gonna get bounced, get fucked. Like you're gonna roll
through Tech seven eighths of the way through the season
and expect to get a fix it for next week.

Speaker 4 (01:39:52):
You're an asshole?

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
Yeah, like you And obviously this is a situational things. Yeah,
Like I mean like there was a couple that were
situation and it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
But yeah, no, and it's like like that's one thing.
Like a lot of people like, oh, you're pissed, you
go dqut And I'm like, no, the fucking car is fucked.

Speaker 4 (01:40:08):
That's wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
It's wrong. It is what it is. Like, Yeah, yeah,
am I pissed that I got an adjustment that I
didn't ask for?

Speaker 4 (01:40:14):
Yeah? But like am I mad that?

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Like at the end of the day, they're like, hey,
like fuck you, this ain't right, this ain't it ain't right.
It ain't right, so you know. But then again, like
I've never gone regardless of what I was making out
of the situation, Like I've never used it as an
excuse to not have my shit torn apart. I sat
at Klamtocky in the middle of fucking November pulling my
fucking throttle body apart for it to get measured. I

(01:40:40):
did all that work and fucking two degree weather to
have it fucking measured with a Stanley tape measure. I
was like, you gotta be fucking kidding me right now.
You are fucking joking. It's two fucking degrees out and
I'm sitting here taking all these plastic clips out to
get my throttle body.

Speaker 4 (01:40:52):
Measured with a Stanley tape measure. You're fucking lying.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
But but he wanted it pulled, he wanted to measure,
so we fucking pulled it apart in two degree whether
froze my fucking balls off, fucking busted my knuckles to
pieces because it's freezing cold out and had it checked
whether it was measured correctly or not. I let him
do it, and that's what you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
I hope they totally listen to this.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
I did too, because I saw some comments and I'm like,
if you guys really knew that it was a factual thing,
it's not someone being a bullshit liar. But like they
it's so like to a point, I get, I don't
have a good fucking I don't have a good reputation
with some of the tracks. I totally understand, but I'm
not fucking out here feeding bullshit.

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
Well, like I tell, like, I tell a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Anything I hear is from fucking people.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
So like, not only not only that, like I get
this asked a lot. They're like, well, Randy starts to
pod a lot and I'm like, yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (01:41:44):
You know what he does.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
I says that motherfucker is always talking racing someone somewhere.
And the thousands of friends that he has, Yeah, and
the thousands of people that follow the shit that he does,
they're getting rac and stuff down there throat one way
or another. And unfortunately, any word is better than no word.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
So like and just because some people don't like it
for being called the way it is, I mean, I.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Mean, what do you want me to do? You want
me to sit here and lie to people?

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
That's that's like, that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
What do you want me to do?

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
Like I mean, I I wasn't brought up that way
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
I was brought up like you call it, like you
see it, and it's like, you know, like that's why
I can't fucking openly said like yeah, like that's we
all know. It's been like that. It's been like this
for years. Like it's racing, it's bullshit.

Speaker 4 (01:42:35):
It's this.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
It's always people pushing. We're always gonna everyone's always gonna
push the line, you're gonna get it. It's it's like that.
It's like, I mean, you look at the shit that
happens in professional sports. It happens in every competitive sport.
It's called trying to get the fucking edge because no
one wants to fucking lose. Like we get it, but
like you can't go in there and like you know,

(01:42:56):
like the biggest thing now, like you see online. I've
seen for two years. I've watched online everyone bitch that
the tech sucks. No, they don't go through shit, they
don't do this, they don't do that. And then like
you know, like yeah, like oh, I'm not pulling my
rear grasping that. Yeah, oh well then you got the drivers,
Well fuck you. I mean, I'm not pulling.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
A rear round. Okay, that's fine, so then go home.

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
Then if you want to do that and you want
to show up here, spend your money, buy your one
hundred and fifty dollars tire and do all this and
then not get paid, well then that's on you don't
And then if you go and cry about it, well,
like you're getting what you asked for. Myself included had
said something to numerous people like yeah, I think they
need to really start cracking down on tech. I think

(01:43:40):
enough's enough with just letting shit go. Enough's enough with
Well all of you have it, so fuck it. If
it's not right, it's not right. Fucking see you later
and let them do their job. If you don't want
to pull your stuff, then you're part of the problem,
not the solution, and move on with your shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
Well yeah that too. And also, I know I give
fucking tech a hard time about shit, but like you said,
I just want people to be fucking hell to the
same extent I am. If I'm pulling something, he's pulling something.
If I'm pulling something, he's still and he's started up
his car and moved away and we're pulling intakes? What
the fuck are you talking about? You know what I mean?

(01:44:16):
Obviously it's different because, uh, in my class, we were
on a wide variety. I'm feeling injected, they're carbureted. But
I know damn well that if I'm pulling my fucking intake,
everybody else is pulling there. And that's honestly, And if
you don't want to do it, that's fine. You can
fucking push the car back and start it up and
we'll bring in whoever finished behind you. We'll call it good.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
That's one thing that I do highly enjoy about racing
at Hudson is Dennis.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
Yeah, he busts.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
He he well, And what I like about him is like,
so like I, I asked him a lot of questions,
so like, because if you ask the questions, you'll get
the answers. And the thing with him is if you
ask him the questions. So like me, I've asked him
a lot of questions over the past two years. Do
you think that if I go across the scale in

(01:45:06):
my car doesn't measure to exactly what it's supposed to,
do you think he's gonna give me a break?

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
No, He openly said it in front of all the drivers,
that my ass would be the first one to DQ
because he expects me at this point to be legal
every week. And I know when I pull up and
they got five cars sitting there, I know the car
that's all the way down on the end and all
the way down to me, I know everyone's car is
gonna get looked at the same, They're gonna get their
balls busted the same, and they're gonna be expected to

(01:45:33):
be just as legal as the next car next to him.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
And I know, and I know we're name dropping, but
like you said, like I give him shit, I bust
his balls and everything and everything, but he he held
me today.

Speaker 4 (01:45:46):
He deserves the name drop because he does yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
He actually fucking does what he's doing. He's not he's
not sitting there fucking saying well you can do this
and not that and everything. And he's dqing people the
way it is. And he dq'ed me second week out
last year. You shit, ain't right. You're doing something you're
not supposed to. I don't know what to tell you.
It's not fit for next week. You know better fucking
you're DQ yeah, And and me and him had the

(01:46:10):
big ball busting because I have my field sale like
it wasn't inch off center. And I was like, come on, man,
well and that and that, and it's like situational things
and I get it, but.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
Like that tells you just how in depth? Yeah, yeah,
well no, I totally get it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
And that's why I was like, I was like, I'll
add weight to the right side if you fucking want,
But I'm it's.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
It's in there, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
I built it in twenty fourteen.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
I'm not trying to bullshade over your rise and like yeah,
and like you, like, I don't bullshit people.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
I tell people fucking like if it's illegal, it's illegal.
And I get it and it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
And that's that's why I said, like it's a thankless job,
and like that's why I mentioned him because like he
he really tries.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
To keep Yeah, everybody fucking do the same.

Speaker 4 (01:46:54):
And that's what's good for the sport, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
And I think that's well, yeah, well you look at
you look at bear Ridge, you look at you look
at thunder Road, you look at White Mountain.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
They have good car counts every week. It's all the
same people all fight for the same thing. They're all
points racing. It doesn't come up and fall off and
all that shit, right, it doesn't. It's not a fucking
mix match. Fucking shit. It's the same fucking people. And
that's because everybody's getting TechEd the same fucking way. There's
no fucking well you fucking helped us out do this.

(01:47:26):
That means we can just give you a fucking free
pass and do this shit and do that shit and
all that stuff, right, And obviously we're not in the
fucking we're not in the trenches of everything. But at
the same time, you can see where I mean, it's
it's obvious at some places and it's not at some places,
and we just want it to be fair along the lines,
just like Bear Ridge and thunder Road and White Mountain,

(01:47:49):
they don't care who you are. I remember when we
went up there this year, we did a whole fucking
mini stock feature before the actual street socks were done
getting TechEd for their rear, and they call them flying tigers. Sorry,
everybody's gonna yell at me. But at the same time,
it's the street stocks. It's all the same thing, and
they fucking thoroughly check your shit. And the mini mini stocks,

(01:48:12):
pure stocks, mini stocks or whatever they fucking call them
mini strictly stocks up there. They measure your cams, they
measure your fucking they measure everything. If you're pulling flywheels,
you're pulling fucking flywheels. I don't care who you are,
you know what I mean. That's how and that's and
that's how it should be, and that's what I'm saying,
and that's what I've been saying for the longest time.

Speaker 1 (01:48:32):
You also watch, if you like, I know, like not
a lot of people watch from you know, outside of
where they watch from or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
But if you watch it, some of those tracks, you
watch the.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
Racing that goes along, they're all on top of each
other that and fucking they are all giving each other
room right from top to bottom, too right. And what
you get is you can tell. You can tell where
things are more lenient and where things are more held
accountcountable because you watch the you watch the racing, and

(01:49:04):
the racing is different. You watch some of the races
down this way, and you watch some guy just put
a fucking half a track on someone by the end,
you know, winning a race by half a track.

Speaker 4 (01:49:13):
It's like, all right, well that was boring.

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
But you watch the races up there and like it
could be anyone's given night because they're so dead even,
which I feel like tech plays a big part in
because if you're dead even it's going to create good race.
And if you've got people pulling a fucking track half
a track on people, well what the fuck's up with that?
You know, like how come everyone else is running stack

(01:49:38):
but you're half a track ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
Yeah, well that's another situational thing and we'll insert that too.
It's all about where you are in the pack tunder road.
They're all on top of each other, but you cannot.
They also hold their drivers to a standard that you're
not going to fucking drive through the guy in front of.

Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
You and which is which is which is how it should?

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
Yeah, you know, and that's like the same thing it
goes with tech is like you can't be lenient with
some of that, especially especially in like a competitive sport
like like racing is almost like like hockey. It's like
a full contact sports. Yeah, if you give an inch,
they're gonna take a mile. Yeah, So you let someone
turn someone for a spot, Well, the next thing you know,
you're gonna have ten people turn turn in everybody for

(01:50:22):
a fucking spot. So if you nip it in the butt,
if you turn someone and you you got a consequence
for it, you're gonna be like.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
Hey, you just went through it. Yeah you got tossed.

Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
But I I I literally on this podcast, I oh, yeah,
I know he got tossed, and I know why you
did it, and and you know, like, and that's what
the track needed to do, because if not, there's gonna
be fucking amine demos with.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Six shooters out there, like they had a fucking uh
October felt.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
Yeah, it's gonna be the same thing, and like I had,
I had. That's another thing. Like a lot of people
would ask like, are you mad you got kicked off
the track? And I'm like, do you honestly fucking think
that I thought going out there and knowing what I
was going out there to do, knowing that I didn't care,
I had no SYRP belt. The left rear tire was
towed out fucking eight and a half inches, and that
was after it got straightened out. Do you honestly think

(01:51:09):
that I thought that they were gonna let me stay
on the track. You'd have to be smoking some funny stuff. Yea,
because like you can't you can't have that stuff. I mean,
I get like that stuff happens, like we all watch
Bowman Gray and all that shit.

Speaker 4 (01:51:22):
Like that shit happens, but.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
Like you're gonna get parked after like you they're not
gonna let you go back out there.

Speaker 4 (01:51:28):
Yeah, keep tearing ship up because like.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
No, we can't use them as a fucking example. But
I get your point.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
You know you can't because they come back next week
after just fucking harpooning each other.

Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
I mean, like like there's there's nothing stopping me from
going September eleventh to go race, like I didn't, like
I was that night they were done with me on
the racetrack, And do you load it up? Do I
Do I hold any bad blood or anything towards it? No,
because I had, like I knew once that all happened,

(01:51:58):
and I knew when I hit him and through him,
I knew, dude, you're getting You're getting either the black
flag or you're gonna get that fucking grouchy guy that
sits down there and turns three and four and he's
gonna be on the track telling you to take your
ass to the fucking pits. And you know that was
you know, a conversation I had with people after the
fact is a lot of the reason why people get

(01:52:19):
thrown out after the fact and thrown out of the
track is how you act when you pull in the pits.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Oh yeah, I'm I'm a fucking staring believer of that
because I did it myself. Yeah, so, like, but I
was done. I was sick of it. Yeah no, And
like at my I wasn't if they nipped it in
the butt the first time, it wouldn't have been a
fucking shit joe the third time.

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
Well, like, and it's like at that point, like I
had no bad blood with the track. It was oh yeah,
yeah I was because that guy but you pissed at
a certain individual I took. I gave back to them
what I what I could do with what I had left.
And yeah, I made a decision now at that point
that I need to go through the pits at seventy

(01:52:59):
and try to fucking run over fucking you know, the
the mom that's trying to walk your kid back to
a pit for another driver. No, they don't need to
be put in Oh no, I'm not saying no, you
know like that's but that's what gets a lot of
people kicked out, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
Oh yeah, no, did you gotta I understand you're mad,
but you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
Gotta you gotta conduct yourself differently. So like I did
what I did, but then I nonchalantly cruised back to
my pit nice and slow pulled in, didn't cause a
ruckus after got out of the car laughing because like
I finally, yeah, finally a year and a half of
aggression came out, and I was happy, and I walked
away from the night and I went and sat down

(01:53:36):
and watched them racing and had a good rest of
my night.

Speaker 4 (01:53:38):
And you know that's another thing.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
You watch these people get into altercations on the track,
and you come through the pits at fucking seventy and
fucking you got people fucking jumping for their lives, like
and then wonder why you get told not to come
back for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
Well, now I got to go into context here. I
didn't do anything that you just said.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
Oh no, I was. I was referring.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
I want people to know that I'm not that bad.
But yeah, so I did escalate the situation after the fact.
I went over and I fucking argued with the guy
and I got tossed for I get it. But at
the same time, going back to my point, they nipped
it in the butt, and I shouldn't have to police
the own fucking people I'm racing against. No, you gotta
go over there and be like, you're fucking done doing that. Yeah,

(01:54:19):
And if you think you're gonna continue to do that,
you might as well be the next Facebook marketplace post,
because you ain't gonna be fucking racing here, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:54:26):
That's and that's what happened a fucking Claremont. They had
enough and like I I had the race ever on
and I heard it, He's like, I'm fucking done, dude,
put it on the fucking trailer and go home.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
Yeah, And that's what you need. There's people that are
there to race and they get angry, and that's for
the moment and everything like that. But like, at the
fucking same time, if it's a known fucking thing going on, yep,
and you just let it sit there and oh they'll
figure it out. Well, yeah, you want boys to have
at it, but when boys have at it, you also
have boys go at it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:57):
Yeah, exactly what it was, and you get you get people.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
And I know I got booted from anand knock for
how I did it and everything, and I I understand,
and we talked about it after and but I was like,
fucking you guys, gotta fucking tell these people that you
can continue to drive through my left rear and absolutely
destroy my night every fucking week. There's gonna be a
time that I'm just gonna fucking not even lift after

(01:55:20):
the checkered and absolutely take my anger out up back
on you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:24):
And that's what And I had said that from the
beginning of the year. I says, I'm not gonna let
it happen more than once. I says, he fucking turns
me once or fucking runs me like shit once, you're
gonna see a fucking reaction that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
You don't and everybody knows that they only see the reaction,
not the action.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
Yeah, you know, And that was that was my point,
is And like I even flat out I told I
told officials flat out at other places. I was like,
he runs me like shit once, and I am, I
am gonna fucking turn this place into something you.

Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
Don't want to fuck yea. Yeah, And you know it
happened and you know, am I you know.

Speaker 1 (01:55:59):
Did it suck that it cost fucking you know, the
drivers in staging and other fucking ten minutes for them
to fucking deal with all that chaos and shit. Yeah,
of course it sucks for all them guys, and that's why.
But in that moment, you didn't care.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
Keep the fucking done.

Speaker 4 (01:56:12):
I didn't care.

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
But then again, like that's why you get kicked off
the track when you do shit like that, because you
got fucking twenty other guys sitting there seating, they're fucking
dicks off in their fucking car waiting to go on
the track, and you're out here being a dickhead fucking
wrecking people.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
You can't have it, you know. So yeah, like, you know,
hats off to them for fucking parking parking my ass.

Speaker 4 (01:56:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:56:31):
I tell people when I say shit, I say it
for myself included.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
Yeah, you know, And.

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
Yeah I got exactly what I deserved that night. I
got fucking parked. And that's how it should be, I mean,
And the same thing with Claremont. That kid got told
to put it on the fucking trailer, and and that's
you know, that's the shit that needs to happen. And
it needs to happen. And you know, once again, like
throughout the boards, you gotta you know, like started it.
You know, they're like fucking at the street stocks on
Sande Hey, yeah, you guys need a breath.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
And other people that, yeah, well yeah, but they're not
afraid of fucking just parking your ass too.

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
And they and that's and that's the thing is, like
did they like some you know, some tracks, you know, like,
do I think that they would ever shy from fucking
saying fuck you guys can't stop wrecking each other, fucking
see you later.

Speaker 4 (01:57:11):
Here you go, check your flag. You're done. Whoever's where
you are, you are, You're done, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
And and I and I think that's good, you know,
watching why you know, watching it and they're like, hey,
you guys can't leave your cars, no crew know nothing,
get your you know, sit there, think about what you
guys are doing.

Speaker 4 (01:57:26):
And then try again.

Speaker 1 (01:57:27):
And they did and they tried again, and for the
most part, they put on a pretty good I was
gonna say, you know, they.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
Put on the hell of a show. But at the
same time, it was gritty.

Speaker 4 (01:57:38):
It was great.

Speaker 1 (01:57:38):
I mean, yeah, I know a lot of you know,
but like you said that division. You know, some of
that's gonna come with it too, because they're, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
There's a lot of competitive people sitting there. You know,
there's they've been doing it for a while and they're like, well,
you're gonna run me like that. I'm gonna run you
back like that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
And I just remember I remember Rob McCrae racing against
my father back in the day, you know, and the.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
Weapon, you know, I mean for what it is. I mean,
you know, I give him ship.

Speaker 4 (01:58:03):
I know, you give him ship. I mean I gave
him ship.

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
I gave him ship in the fucking when we were
pulling the pulling pills for starting position's Randy, gonna give
you ship for it today? He goes, I don't know,
hopefully I don't suck too bad. You fucking kill me, guy,
And he's like, yeah, you know, he goes, I was
gonna sign that picture of yours for you with the
fucking fish of plow, but you know, because I never got.

Speaker 4 (01:58:24):
Around to it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:25):
Fucking guy, it's funny ship, but like them, them guys
are good ship. Yeah, and that you need that end
of it too, But I mean, like that, that guy's
been doing street stocks at a competitive level. Yeah, and
you run him like ship, it will be the first
one to give it back.

Speaker 4 (01:58:39):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:58:39):
But that's that's the old school way, you know. I mean,
you know, and that's that's the same for everybody out there,
not just that with the people, but with those cars
in general and that division. Like you said, like they're
all over each other because you've got a lot of talent,
a lot of good cars, and you know, they're all
trying to go one place and yeah, yeah, you know,
and you know, unfortunately, I mean, and you have as

(01:59:00):
many as they had. I mean, fortunately there's only so
much rum on the track and you know, but.

Speaker 2 (01:59:06):
That that's that's holding the races accountable and that's what
they did, and that's what they fucking you can come
sit over here and hang out for a minute and
it's like we got ship to do.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
Dude, Like when I wait for you, you know, and
they're like, you know, some people would be like, oh,
they had a ton of cars, why would you do that.

Speaker 4 (01:59:21):
That's gonna turn people away.

Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
Well, like for the two people that that that that
style might turn away, you'll gain six more because like
they're like, hey, these guys ain't gonna put up with
your ship. If you want to keep coming out here
and waden ship up, they're just gonna fucking park your
ship and you're gonna you're gonna be all done.

Speaker 4 (01:59:38):
You're gonna be all done.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
And there's lines to it. Obviously not to cut you off,
but there's fucking lines to it there, you know, and
they you know what I mean, you go out there
and run like a fucking jackass. He deserve to get
fucking parked. There's no need for it. If it's a
racing deal, it's a racing deal. And if that turns
you away, I mean, I don't get why it would
fucking turn you away. The tracks holding everybody accountab right there,

(02:00:01):
like get fucked all. You need to sit here for
a minute. We got another division out here that that
fucking knows what they're doing, and that's what it is,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
I watched them do it there a bunch of times,
and it always seems to work because afterwards, like you know,
like you know, if you go out there and do
the same shit you just did, you know, there's gonna
be a no tolerance for it. They're just gonna say,
fuck it, you're done for the night.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:00:24):
And it's good to see honestly though too because not
only that it keeps from you know, having a ton
of watered up shit, but you know it also it's
better for the people watching. No one wants to sit
there and watch forty minutes for fourteen yeps and you know,
and you know, like I said, they fucking say, hey,
you're done for a little while.

Speaker 2 (02:00:41):
That's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna throw a cookout
for all the street stock drivers and they're gonna hash
it out right in my backyard.

Speaker 1 (02:00:49):
I don't even like, you don't really see much.

Speaker 2 (02:00:51):
Now they're all but but like doing this, I can
go and meet all these other people and like like
if you run them like shit, yeah, they're not gonna
be fucking happy with you. No, And and you know
because they wouldn't do it to you, you know what
I mean. And at the same time, they're all one
big family.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
Yeah, I mean, you're gonna have a lot of them.
Guys ain't out there to just tear shit up. Well,
no one is at eighty dollars a door panel. I mean,
I can't imagine people are just out there doing it
for the fuck of it. You know how much attire, Yeah,
how much to get your fucking your your chassis to
go back on the fucking thing and for your rear
end your dry shad fucking.

Speaker 4 (02:01:24):
All time, like you see it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
Because like them guys like everywhere they race it any tracks,
like they put on yeah, oh yeah, they put on
a good show show and everybody does. You just got
to hold people accountable, right, I mean you and that's
what people do. You watch the racing through their front
nose to tail. I mean there's fucking people door to
door racing from first to last. It's it's a good show.
But unfortunately we go door to door racing.

Speaker 2 (02:01:47):
You have you know, you have the racing incidents, the
fucking people driving over their.

Speaker 4 (02:01:51):
Head and it happens, like you said, like some of
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:01:54):
You know, if some people would just own to it, yeah,
it would be way better.

Speaker 4 (02:01:58):
Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:02:00):
People say they don't do anything wrong and shit like that,
and fucking.

Speaker 4 (02:02:03):
Someone said it to me.

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
I remember there was a like there was an incident
at one track and we all got pulled aside and
they're like listen, guys, like you say you do twenty
five laps, how many corners?

Speaker 4 (02:02:12):
Are you taking in twenty five?

Speaker 1 (02:02:13):
I think it's like I think there was like the
numbers like I do, like one hundred and twenty corners
in a twenty five lap race.

Speaker 2 (02:02:18):
Oh boy, you just fucking come on.

Speaker 1 (02:02:21):
Something like that, and you no, Like, in all honesty,
it made sense because it was like an old time
racer that said something to us. And it's like, if
you think that any of you, that any of us
are perfect enough to go out there and hit every
single corner perfect every single time for your twenty five
thirty laps, you're out of your fucking mind.

Speaker 4 (02:02:38):
You're not gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:39):
What Yeah, if you're in a thirty lap feature, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:02:41):
You're gonna you're gonna haze the tires coming out.

Speaker 2 (02:02:43):
That's one hundred and twenty laps.

Speaker 1 (02:02:44):
You're gonna fucking drive. You're gonna drive fucking You're gonna
drive it in too deep. You're gonna fucking not drive
it out hard enough, like you know, and that that's
where like the give and take takes and like some
of it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:56):
Well, yeah, man, you don't gotta go win it on
the first lap and right, you gotta be out there
with the guy next week. So if you drive him
like shit, you best believe it's coming back.

Speaker 1 (02:03:05):
Yeah, and some of that, you know, you get you know, yeah, yeah,
it's it's you know, it's it's nice to see though,
you know it is. It is nice to see, like
as much as myself receiving a cone, I mean, the
amount of two the amount of ship you've seen in
the past couple oh yeah, past past couple of weeks
of racing. It really kind of shows that the tracks
are like, hey, we're fucking done with all you assholes

(02:03:26):
like jack Wise and on the track. Yeah, and that
I should be, but it you know, I mean, you
gotta they gotta do start somewhere, you know. And it's
when you think what you're dq list was what like
nine deep for fucking one week, nine deep for one week.
We're at thirty four for the year.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
Yeah, and you know which is fucking rookie numbers. Pump
them up right.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
Yeah. I'm all for people trying to find the edge,
go out and cheat. Fucking No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (02:03:52):
Well, find the gray area. That's what they give us
a rule book. We find the gray area. Their rule
is to find the gray area that we're exposing. And
they either I will say.

Speaker 1 (02:04:03):
I will give I will give you credit. You turn
the DQ thing into a pleasurable because you.

Speaker 2 (02:04:09):
Know before, well, no, it used to be fucking horrible.
It's horrible.

Speaker 1 (02:04:12):
You get fucking everyone calling you a cheater. I mean now,
oh yeah, you still do. But there's some and I know,
like I've talked about this with several other people, like
it's turned a negative kind of into a positive because
now like, at least get something. No, no, you get
something out of the deal. I mean, obviously you don't
get your points, you don't get paid, and you don't
get a trophy, you know, I mean, but at the

(02:04:33):
end of the day, I mean, it turns a situation
where most people sulk and you know, at least you
know you're gonna get a badass shirt and a pretty
cool fucking sticker out of the deal, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:04:42):
Yeah, some and obviously people take it different ways. And
I usually try to put it out there like it's
nothing bad. I'm just literally the guy just giving you
something just so you have something. I mean, you go
to it's a it's a momento for your.

Speaker 1 (02:04:59):
Trying way, you know what I mean, And it is
what it is, no matter what it is, you know
what I mean, and it's it's racing and it's not bad.
I mean, you can ask I'm sure you can walk
through the pits. You can ask people like fucking Bobby Melvin,
Charlie Rose. You can ask people that have been doing
it for years, how many times you think they you know,
over the course of their race seasons, how many fucking
cones you think they've picked up over the years. It

(02:05:20):
happens to everyone. It happens when you're pushing the limits. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's you know, it's not I don't know, and it's
kind of it should be a laughing matter. You should
be able to slap a fucking sticker on your car,
wear your T shirt with pride and enjoy it because
it's like, yeah, it's it's also general meno trying ways
from us.

Speaker 4 (02:05:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:05:37):
I loved it right when Tech when we slapped a
new sticker right on the windshield and we got fucking
d cute.

Speaker 4 (02:05:41):
It's great and it's funny, you know, it keeps.

Speaker 1 (02:05:43):
Yeah, it's another form of I don't know, Like I know,
people say bad for racing this and that, but for
a bet, I.

Speaker 2 (02:05:50):
Don't know how it's bad for racin. I'm not out
here telling people to fucking blatantly cheat, so get a shirt.

Speaker 1 (02:05:56):
No, but I mean, like, you know, bad for racing,
you know. And it's like that this that whole segment
in its own, you know, you know on Monday when
everyone gets a post to the dq list and you know,
you know, you get to sift through and yeah and
see the names and you know who's going to get
the sticker, you know who's gonna get the shirt, and
it's like you get to enjoy that part of it.

(02:06:16):
Like I know, I kind of for whatever fucked up
enjoyment got to watch enjoyed watching my name on the
DQ list for whatever reason. But like it, you know,
it's it's cool because I also don't want to be
known for people pushing my shit through and you know,
if my my shit's illegal, I want to be held accountable,
like especially with like you know, this car. I know

(02:06:39):
it's competitive. It should be it should be right, and
it should be right all the time, and you know,
like it it to me. It was looking back, like
I was pissed at first, like of course, you know,
like especially wrenching on the thing out in the fucking
pits all day trying to get it ready, but like
at the end, I got a cool fucking sticker, and
you know, we were there for the fucking and you
know we only get one, sure, no, yeah, one. The

(02:07:03):
shirts are shirts and stuff like that, and printing is expensive.

Speaker 2 (02:07:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a conversation with the
guys like, oh, you're your your uh, your ice cream
bill is probably pretty big, and I'm good friends with him,
and I was like, dude, I do this out of
the goodness of my heart. I know some people are
still waiting for him, and I'm sorry I'm taking so
long and everything. And it's not the money side of it.

Speaker 1 (02:07:27):
It's just me being fucking lazy and just not going
to the post office to yell at my male guy
to fucking ship him out.

Speaker 2 (02:07:33):
That's what I'm doing. That's that's one hundred percent the
reason I apologize to everybody I got. I finally got
the bags and so everybody will start getting their fucking
DQ stickers and shirts and all that. But but at
the same time, fuck, where was I going with that?
God damn it. Oh yeah, well yeah, and people like
take it different differently, and it's just like it is

(02:07:55):
what it is at the I think it's great.

Speaker 1 (02:07:58):
I think it was a good way to turn something
that you know in racing that usually is you know,
a negative, and I think it's a good way to
turn it into.

Speaker 2 (02:08:05):
A Yeah, I'm not saying people are blatantly I'm not
telling people blatantly cheap and everything.

Speaker 1 (02:08:09):
You know, it's you know, you're gonna it's gonna happen
when especially in today's age where everyone's trying to gain
I mean, you watch some of the races. You watch
the final times it comes down to fucking hundreds of
a second. Yeah, yeah, sometimes that's the difference. You know,
you try something and you know it's you know, by
the end it's a little fucked up and it ain't right,
but you know it is what it is. It happens,

(02:08:31):
you know. Yeah. Like another thing, like I know a
lot of the I know a couple of them that
have gone out is springs. When you're trying to find
springs and stuff that match for nineties cars, Like I know,
I battle it because my myself, my fuck, Like I know,
like I can only imagine like how hard it is
with like the flooring cars, like the hand doesn't s Yeah,
I know, because like I know, like I use I

(02:08:51):
use a junkyard and plastyle and like I go there
for like parts like my BMW and like my trucks
and stuff. But if you walk by the Honda section,
they're fucking striped shells. There's like, no fucking nothing, there's
nothing nothing. We're down bad right now.

Speaker 2 (02:09:05):
Yeah, no wishbones, no nothing, No struts.

Speaker 1 (02:09:08):
No coil springs, no, no fucking shocks. There's nothing in them.
There's everything's gone, you know. And it's like, well, the
guys that are getting pinched for like you know, their springs,
don't maagine. It's like, well, you're driving like a nineteen
ninety five Honda on It's like, well, fuck, most of
those things were rotted out in the junkyard.

Speaker 4 (02:09:24):
And then the people that you know, the people, but.

Speaker 2 (02:09:26):
That's why they allowed the quick struts and all.

Speaker 4 (02:09:28):
Yeah, No, it's just that stuff makes it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:30):
There's people pushing that fucking boundary. Now that's fucking it
for everybody else.

Speaker 1 (02:09:34):
That well, see, that was that was why in twenty
twenty when I remember when I cause I did the
nhstra a thing and I remember the quick strut thing
came up that they were illegal, And one of the
reasons why they originally said no was because of what's happening.

Speaker 4 (02:09:48):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:09:48):
Well, yeah, now I finally figured out what the fuck
is going on, and I'm like, well, now you definitely
have to fucking show a receipt when you fucking buy
a new strut. Now, yeah, thanks, that's and it's not
a cheating way. It was just one more fucking step.
Now I gotta fucking save my CBS receipt I get
from O'Reilly's and with my fucking sporadic fucking self, yeah,

(02:10:10):
best of luck doing that, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:10:12):
And I battled it myself with mine because I know
I got a question on mine because.

Speaker 4 (02:10:16):
I had silver, like the color of them was silver.

Speaker 1 (02:10:20):
They were stamped GM parts, but no one knew where
you could get the silver struck.

Speaker 2 (02:10:25):
Yeah, but on your struts there's a piece of tape
over the middle of it, so you have to remove
the piece of tape to pull it apart. So there's
a fucking known thing.

Speaker 1 (02:10:36):
And I mean, if you're sitting there playing Narts and
Crafts and you're fucking just so you can run a
race spring, then fucking what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (02:10:45):
You know what I mean? And now they're fucking manipulating that,
and now everybody's gonna be like, well, fucking now, I
need to see your receipt, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:10:52):
And it's like when you've got people ordering thousands of
dollars or the struts for for pure stocks so they
can so they appear at stock, and it's like, if
you're really gonna put that much effort in, like you
obviously have way more, way more time and money, and
you should probably just go do something where that stuff's legal. Yeah,
and like and that's another thing, like they like back

(02:11:14):
like back to the fucking bullshit, the reason why the
car like some of the divisions like you, like you
called two years ago why they're dying.

Speaker 2 (02:11:22):
Yeah, you allow this. Now we're gonna fucking now we're
gonna run up against sponsor's things. And I saw a
fucking video this past well, no, not a video, a
picture this past weekend of now fucking maybe pictures are
gonna be fucking illegal at fucking tracks now, but you
look at a picture and fucking it's one cavalier and
the rest of them are sis and Type SA's and

(02:11:43):
that's all you have. So a class that was striving
with twenty plus cars a week, with all fucking variety
of fucking shit going on.

Speaker 1 (02:11:51):
You and me race Claremont with like what thirty two
pure stocks started?

Speaker 2 (02:11:55):
Oh yeah that uh, and they're still doing okay for standards.
But I mean I go up there and I used
to I ran, I ran Claremont, I ran an at Knock,
and I ran Hudson and Hudson. Yeah. I was, yeah,
we're getting back into pier stocks finally, fucking pier stalks
at Hudson. So I get it. Striving times Claremont had it,

(02:12:15):
had wildcats, They fucking dumbed them back, which they needed
to to a point, and then everything was good. We
had forty plus fucking cars, and even for the memorial
race we had for Cody Lafont, we had fifty one
in the fucking pits. Only thirty two were fucking starting
this year they had eighteen, oh no, thirty one at Claremont,

(02:12:38):
and they had fucking fifteen at that fucking memorial race
at Hudson, which had forty plus when they first started
the fucking the sport model shit, and I was, well,
we're already fucking here, we might as well just ride it.
Out and see what they do. They didn't fucking do
anything about it. And now I'll look at it now.
It's fucking shit and it is what it is. And

(02:12:59):
they have to hole to their fucking chest about what
the fuck they did, right, and they can hate me
for fucking saying it, but that's what it is. And
and the people that they allt and like it goes
back to like how you say, like you move some
people away and shit like that, you allow something like
that's that fucking out of the box happen. You're losing
six people right off. No, like fucking there's no reason

(02:13:22):
for me to do it, you know what I mean?
And everybody can.

Speaker 1 (02:13:24):
You can't something like the like the something that you
brought up, and I know you've been saying it for years.
You've been saying it since. I know, like when we
were talking, like when we ran like thirty two deep
in twenty twenty at Claremont. Yeah, like I was like
you me, I know, like Donnie, a bunch of us
came up from down here and we all went up
there and raced. But we don't have was when we
did that, they were all they were all like cars

(02:13:45):
like mine and like cars like yours, and they weren't.
It didn't evolve to what it is now. Yeah, you know,
you watch, you know it's you know whatever, kudos to
buy in those cars and building them into race cars
and doing all that.

Speaker 2 (02:13:58):
But it's like, yeah, they think everybody can go out
and spend four thousand dollars on a fucking streets car
and make it into a pierce.

Speaker 1 (02:14:04):
That's not achievable. I mean that goes back to like
the junk yard things, like you can go get a
shell from the junk yard because that's all they have,
and then you can piece it back together and you
can get.

Speaker 4 (02:14:16):
Into it for short money.

Speaker 1 (02:14:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:14:18):
Where now you're not if you don't have not that
I know a.

Speaker 1 (02:14:22):
Lot about Honda's, but if you don't have a K series,
you ain't in the pur of stocks, you ain't running
up front.

Speaker 2 (02:14:26):
Well, and they did that to themselves and they have
to hold that to their chest, and like honestly, honest,
and people went on fucking things and I'm good friends
with them, and that's why I say it. They went
on things and they said, well, it's the evolution to shit.
And I made it a point and we talk every
day and it's no bad blood between me and them. No,
And I told them that. I was like, dude, the evolution,

(02:14:47):
I go. You can say evolution all the fuck you want.
When you got a cost effective class and you make
it into that, now we're fucked. Now we're really fucking
doing it. And someone up at thunder Road did that
and they had two wins with it, and guess what,
get fucked fucking do something else.

Speaker 1 (02:15:03):
It's a lot like you and me talked about like
a year ago, well it would be a year ago
in October. Yeah, kudos to like you know, is like
that guy that brought that avender out, you know, kudos
to you guys for you know, something that wasn't there
and now there is it, you know. And then but
like like I had this conversation a couple uh last
week with someone and in a position and they're like,

(02:15:26):
I don't know, like what are we going to do?

Speaker 4 (02:15:28):
Like we can't do anything.

Speaker 1 (02:15:29):
About this because like they're stock but like they they
just outmotor everything else and there's like nothing I can
do about it, Like because my hands are tied, like
it's a stock car.

Speaker 4 (02:15:39):
What do I do?

Speaker 1 (02:15:39):
And it's like, well, you guys guys made a rule
for the six shooters. You guys can't have more than
two hundred and forty five horsepower and if you do
get fucked And like I feel like they they're nearing
nearing that that way, cause like with.

Speaker 2 (02:15:55):
Certain well, if they didn't let it happen, they wouldn't
have this fucking problem. They have two rules in the
fucking piersox And I'm a good person on because that's
my ship. Peers, socks are my ship. That's what I
can afford. I don't. I'm I asked people about street stocks.
I asked last week when I did the fucking DQ
thing for Corey, I was like, what the fuck is

(02:16:16):
crank height? You know what I mean, I don't know
what the fuck You.

Speaker 1 (02:16:19):
And me talked about it at start, Yeah, and I
gave you the rundown on how exactly works. I mean,
I don't know exactly where every special everybody who does it,
but it's a measurement from somewhere, whether it's to the ground,
to the ground or whether to the whatever whatever that
that place measures to, which is which is cool, But
I mean it be those things they're checking it. They're

(02:16:39):
not only like that those cars are expensive. I mean,
the the idea of the pure stocks and six shooters
in my mind.

Speaker 2 (02:16:48):
Is it's just so some people can get their feet with, right,
you can get out there.

Speaker 1 (02:16:51):
I mean, well, and I say, buddy wants to go
to the enduro route because one, well there's none of
them anymore.

Speaker 4 (02:16:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:16:57):
Two, like it's limited k and like the pure stocks
or six shooters are a division that you know, some
person that comes to watch a race sitting in the
stands is like, hey, I got one of these that
I used to go get fucking groceries with that doesn't
do nothing anymore, fucking slap a cage in it and
go racing. Well, like you start allowing shit that's not

(02:17:18):
really you know, legit, Like you know, originally when they
did it all, it wasn't supposed to be sport models,
you know. And yeah, and they had two rules in
the thing.

Speaker 2 (02:17:28):
And I'm saying like, yes, it's a start a division,
And people are like, well, it's a starter division, just
move up, blah blah blah. Dude, some of us can't
afford that. Some of us can't afford the fucking.

Speaker 1 (02:17:37):
In all honesty, that's why I'm not racing the street
stock this year and the off on the off season,
I spent a better part of fourteen fifteen thousand dollars
to have a car, as you saw about half the
three quarters of the way built, and I'm just like,
fuck this, I'm kind of go and have fun.

Speaker 4 (02:17:56):
Well, like it got to the point where I was.

Speaker 1 (02:17:57):
Like, well, this isn't gonna be done for Opening Day,
and I'm like, if I don't race something else, I
can fucking race. I can put the money towards this,
and I can make it. Halfway through the season, I'm like,
but fuck this, We're just gonna do this and put
this on the back burner cause it's like that's a
lot of goddamn money. And it's like, you know, you
see some other people it's like, oh, I'm gonna start
off by buying a car for five grand. Like you

(02:18:18):
see some of those things online they're forty five hundred bucks.
It's like, I don't care what your deal was with
the guy that you got it from. I don't care
if it's not.

Speaker 2 (02:18:26):
Affordable for everybody else to get to And like that's
what I and like they had two rules, and we
gotta wrap this up. It's fucking nine thirty man. Oh shit, yeah,
I know it fucking time flies, but I appreciate you
coming on. But at the same time, like like that's
what I'm saying, Like the pier socks. Yeah, it's something
to get your feet wet, but at the same time,

(02:18:47):
have fun in and fucking do that if you want
to go and fucking and like, if they didn't allow
the fucking sport models, it'd be the same people coming
back right right, excuse me, it'd be the single cams
running the show at fucking and knocking people trying to
it and they're fucking trying to figure out how to
keep up with them. But it kept everybody honest, you

(02:19:09):
know what I mean. And now all the single cams
are gone. Everybody that ran a single cam gone. Anybody
that ran it ran a duel overhead cam, fucking accurate,
integra fucking gone. You know what you have Now you
have k Serie cars and people just hanging out for
the moment and then they're going to do something else.

Speaker 1 (02:19:26):
There was It was nice to see for the beginning
half of the year a Hudson though a single jingle
put in work.

Speaker 2 (02:19:31):
Yeah, no, and that's what I mean, And like and
like that single jingle did it. But at the same time,
like like everybody had to be kept honest, and then
you just allow the sport models in and then now
it's a ship podge of fucking shit. And now with
the struts thing, now that's a ship podge. And now
you gotta fucking show your receipt to know that it's

(02:19:52):
an actual stock fucking spring.

Speaker 1 (02:19:54):
And the weight doesn't help, cause I can you can add.

Speaker 2 (02:19:58):
As much weight as you fucking want to a car.
They're gonna sit there and they're just gonna fucking find
a way to make it work.

Speaker 4 (02:20:03):
That's what I did when I added weight. Everyone, how
do you still run?

Speaker 1 (02:20:07):
Up front? I says, you make a couple of adjustments
and next thing you know, it works. And that's what
the K series guys did with their ship. It works
to it almost if you can get it right and
you can place it right. Yeah, and the parameters of
where they make you put it it can actually help.
When I I found when I run extra, the extra
weight that I've had to add my right rear plants

(02:20:27):
instead of slides. It helps them so they actually pick
up speed by adding weight. And they've noticed that. I
talked to someone.

Speaker 2 (02:20:33):
Yeah, that's totally fine. Put it on the right front horn.
Let's see how much you do.

Speaker 4 (02:20:36):
That's what.

Speaker 1 (02:20:36):
That's what, and that's the route that if they're gonna
let those guys keep running instead of putting that fucking weight.

Speaker 2 (02:20:43):
And yeah, you don't have to put three hundred and
five hundred, six hundred pounds on the car, just put three.
Just put like a hundred pounds right on that right
front right.

Speaker 4 (02:20:51):
Put it right on the horn.

Speaker 2 (02:20:52):
Yeah, put it right on the horn. Let's see how
you do it.

Speaker 1 (02:20:54):
Right, because what happens is is they make you put
the weight between the post and the cage. Yeah, And
if you do that, you can move you can move
it around, you can see what it does, and you
can move it around. As long as you weigh right
side where they want you to weigh. You can make
it work to your advantage. If you put fucking one
hundred pounds on the horn that she's gonna.

Speaker 2 (02:21:10):
He ain't doing nothing, no painted white. Make sure there's
two bolts right through it.

Speaker 1 (02:21:13):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:21:14):
And fucking everybody gets to do it. And it's not
just for the case here. He's just everybody. And it
should be different between things and it's just it's just
a fucking it's a talk that everybody has to have
with everything, and whether they'll fucking listen to me. And
I've done that route where they need to fucking like, hey,
listen to what I have to fucking say. They didn't
want to do it, and they did their own thing,

(02:21:35):
and now look show. And I'm not saying I'm right
and like some things I'm not right with and but
if you take what I say with a grain of salt,
at least I know what I'm trying to do is
trying to do it. And I tried to fucking avoid
this whole fucking shit show that we're dealing with. And
now everybody with a single cam is gone, everybody with
the Integra, they're up for sale. They're gonna go do

(02:21:57):
something fucking else. They'll go do something else and enjoy
their time doing that. And and people may think I'm
doing this fictional. I'm telling you, this is what people
are telling me. So you can grab it by the
fucking neck and fucking choke hold it. Now, get rid
of all that shit, let everybody else thing, and everybody
will weed right back. And I'd rather run against a

(02:22:19):
Cavalier beat in my ass, knowing it's it has one
hundred and forty horse power, just like I did. And
like when I was rung, when I won my race
with one hundred and forty horse power, I was like, huh,
I didn't need to use a fucking sport model to
do it right?

Speaker 4 (02:22:33):
Right? Just know what I mean that you built.

Speaker 2 (02:22:36):
And your father and that's what you get from yours.

Speaker 1 (02:22:39):
That's that's reachable. It's reachable for.

Speaker 2 (02:22:41):
Anybody, anybody. And I'll tell everybody, everybody, anybody in like
I tell anyone anything I have done to my car,
you can do yourself. It's not an unachievable thing. I'm
not out here spending fucking two grand to win a
fucking one hundred and twenty five dollars and a fucking
plastic trophy I can throw at the wall or throw

(02:23:02):
an empty beer can at in the fucking garage. I
do not care that much. But I love the sport
of racing that much that I'll fucking dry my best
and I'll spend as much as I there's a limit,
you know what I mean? And now there's no fucking line.
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:23:19):
I mean, they even do it in the street stocks.
They have a dollar amount that you can't have a
shock more than a certain dollar.

Speaker 2 (02:23:24):
Imagine if they allowed outboard shocks and fucking all this
other ship that Detroit lockers and fucking all that.

Speaker 1 (02:23:31):
Well, no, it's worse down south. They got Detroit lockers,
fucking NASCAR center.

Speaker 2 (02:23:36):
Sections, fucking this, this, this, this, this tires. But you know, well,
ten inch tires. I mean that make eqal wasting equal racing.
Holy shit, when I have a speech impediment there, it
would allow, it would allow some.

Speaker 1 (02:23:49):
I know, like a lot of people all love fucking
what's keeping them from being late models, But like you could, fucking.

Speaker 2 (02:23:56):
What keeps them from late models is fucking outboard shock
geometry that you're allowed to fucking have in a late model, right,
And this is what I'm looking I'm not being an
expert here. I know a lot of people will get
a hold of me and tell me, please, like explain
it to me. Like the difference between a late model
and the streets stock.

Speaker 1 (02:24:15):
There's there is a difference because when you take the
when you take the shocks and you have them inside
the frame rail, they act different if you have them outside.

Speaker 2 (02:24:22):
It's all fucking geometry.

Speaker 1 (02:24:24):
Geometry changed the angles outboard and all that. But like
there the street socks up here, they're fucking they're getting close.

Speaker 4 (02:24:31):
They're getting close.

Speaker 1 (02:24:32):
I meant, I'll tell you what the Star street stocks
are damn near there.

Speaker 4 (02:24:37):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:24:38):
But then again, they got some tight racing and they
got a lot of fast fucking cars.

Speaker 2 (02:24:42):
Yeah, they have it. They have a fucking crowd for it,
so keep at it keeping, I mean, and it works,
it works there. But there's a line.

Speaker 1 (02:24:50):
I don't think that a lot of places could pull
off what they.

Speaker 2 (02:24:52):
Pull off, even with Star. There's a fucking line though, No.

Speaker 4 (02:24:56):
And there's.

Speaker 1 (02:24:58):
You know, there's there's there's hidden rules, Like you want
to run a third length, that's fine, but it's twenty
inches or twenty six inches whatever, it is not four
feet not four feet, yes, but like it's you know,
it's you know, they they opened up the spectrum a lot.
Oh yeah, and they let they let At that point,
it turns, it turns into you know, you gotta you

(02:25:19):
get to play a little bit more, you get to
change a little bit more, you get to try to
go a little bit faster. But like it's not really
a huge jump. I mean, you can you know, once again,
like you said, anybody could do it. You can sit
there and with a welder and a couple pieces of metal,
you can make yourself a third link set up pretty
pretty pretty simple. You could most cars have the single

(02:25:40):
post in the back, which is usually pretty centered with
the center of the rear end, and weld a couple
of brackets in there to receive a bolt and you're
off and running. I mean, it's not you know, it's
not like you know, something that's going to cost you
a million dollars to do, and you know, if it
makes the racing better, so be it. And they seem
to get the guys to do it.

Speaker 2 (02:25:59):
Yeah. Yeah, no, one hundred percent. You know, different ways
of it, you know, I mean, you know that's you
know it is. Well, like I said, there's a line
like they have a good thing going on, great and
they have they have, I have, I don't know street stocks.
I'm not gonna say that they have issues. That's the
street stock drivers to talk with the car with the
owner and the GM and shit at star and and

(02:26:21):
the thing is that they'll they'll sit there and they'll
listen to you and I and I did that with
Bobby Webber. When I had them on here, I asked
them about something after we got off the podcast, like
I was like, oh, well, why can't we run this
And it's not a big thing. It's not a big thing,
and I'll tell everybody I asked them. I was like,
why can't we just run shaved tires? Obviously the stagger, Yeah,

(02:26:41):
that'll help, but that obviously makes people have to play
with stuff and everything. But at the same time, on
the other end of the spectrum, doesn't make us have
to run on jell O. Doesn't make us have to
spend sixty dollars every week because we just tore the
right front up, you know what I mean. You get
it down to a flat surface and you call it good,
you know what I mean. And you're not paying for
a lot of money you can make. You're not paying

(02:27:03):
a lot of money, and you're making a tire work
and everything like that. And it's and that's for peer
stocks and everything and and like they'll listen to you,
like if you have something that will actually, no, they
don't listen to you.

Speaker 1 (02:27:14):
Yeah. Usually right around the time they do the flea market,
they you'll see a post about a rules meeting. Yeah,
if you they'll do this division from this time to
this time, and you know this division and you know
if you which ultimately should leave out a lot of
bitching because if you have, like you.

Speaker 4 (02:27:34):
Said, you're able to go there and voice you're.

Speaker 2 (02:27:36):
Oh yeah, you're allowed to, You're allowed to vote on ship.
You're not allowed there to Fucking this isn't town hall, right,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (02:27:43):
You know, and it creates you know, that's how it
should be everywhere. Look at a look at a group,
you know, And that's what I feel like. That's why
you see a lot of you saw as much as
you have with DQ's because people are starting to reel
it back in and the tracks are starting.

Speaker 2 (02:27:56):
To real the tracks are starting to fucking actually be like, Okay, yep,
here you go. This is this is the co and
we see it every year. It's every year we get
the two week grace period in which I totally get.
I understand one hundred percent for after that done, fucking
that's not yeah, take it easy. Yeah it should be

(02:28:18):
like that. But I appreciate you coming on talking bullshit
with me. I mean, we'll have this again when your
fucking brother's here. And your dad's not sleeping. And I
mean that with all the respect. I know everybody has
shit to do. This was late notice, but I know
these fuckers are done just hearing me, so I had
to bring someone on, you know what I mean. Hopefully

(02:28:38):
we see at Star tomorrow. Maybe maybe we'll see what's
going on.

Speaker 1 (02:28:42):
We'll see what's going on. We're supposed to do a
birthday party for my brother, but we'll see.

Speaker 2 (02:28:47):
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (02:28:48):
Yeah, hey, I mean family first is always. If nothing's
going on tomorrow, we'll see you there. I'll do the
work in the morning that I have to do and
not much, not much. I have a couple of things.
I got a training line. I gotta button up and
fix one little thing and go up there and prove
that we don't need two and seven eighths.

Speaker 2 (02:29:07):
Don't need to cheat, don't cheat.

Speaker 1 (02:29:10):
Inches of canber to win a race, to win a race,
or run decent because I've done it there before with less.

Speaker 2 (02:29:17):
Yeah, no, exactly, And hopefully we see you there. And
I appreciate you coming on man. Yeah, absolutely, all right, man,
thank you