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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't suppose they tell you anything in Denver about
the tragedy we had up here during the winter. In
nineteen seventy, I heard a man named Charles Brady's the
Winter Caretakers.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
From what I've been.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Told to me, he seemed like a completely normal individual,
but at some point during the winter Aim must have
suffered some kind of a complete mental breakdown.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
He ran a muck and.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Killed his family.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
In fact, well, you can rest assured, mister Olman, that's
not gonna happen with mem.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
They really will.
Speaker 6 (00:37):
Good for the leaders, sure I do.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
There'll be lots of fun.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
The only thing that you can get a bit trying
up here during the winter is the tremendous.
Speaker 6 (00:46):
Sense of isolation, is there?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You will have to deal with this mental in the
harshest possible way.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
What do you today that kills you with many.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I'm not gonna hurt you.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I'm just gonna bash your brain. Here's fine.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Gimme the bat, Wendy, Wendy, give me the bat.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
We're back.
Speaker 7 (01:32):
Christian Toto's live and studio. You can find out more
about him at Hollywood Intoto dot com. Christire, Welcome to it.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Good to be here.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Great to have you man, and obviously rest in peace.
Speaker 7 (01:41):
Shelley Duvall, she passed away earlier this year, and then
a co starring role along with Jack Nicholson that, of course,
The Shining from nineteen eighty Stanley Kubrick, the director, Stephen King,
the writer of the original. You heard the reference to Denver,
and that's kind of where we're going now, is with
these thrillers that have Colorado ties. And as I was
discussing this with you, Christian back and forth via text,
(02:02):
there seem to be a lot of those that have
ties to Colorado.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I don't know, you know, I mean, listen, we have
a colorful state. I think it can spark some imaginations.
I will say that of the films we could talk
about and probably will, this one is the most distinctive,
the most definitive. It really just have this heart here
even though it wasn't shot here, but it was the
inspiration for King that he is visiting the Stanley Hotel.
And you know, when you have a great mind like that,
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I'm sure his radar is always up looking for things
that inspire him, that intrigue in, that scare him a
little bit, and of course the Stanley A Hotel has
leaned into that quite a bit over the years, which
is fun. But yeah, and listening to that audio snippet,
it's unbelievable. You know, we use words like iconic and legendary.
We just kind of it's very flipant.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I think I blame social media for that. We're trying
to cut through the haze and to say something. It's amazing,
but that's amazing, and that's iconic, and that's just so identifiable.
My kid's fifteen. He loves horror movies, but I haven't
shown him The Shining yet. I feel like he needs
a little bit more maturity, a little bit more. I
don't know it. It's not a it's not a slasher film.
It's such a consequential movie. It's so scary, it's so creepy,
(03:09):
it's so atmospheric, and I don't want to waste it
on him. You link it to see it once the
first time, red Rum Danny, I mean you talk like iconic.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
The moments.
Speaker 7 (03:19):
Here's Johnny, the acts to the door. All work and
no play makes Jack a dull boy. Of course Jack
and the lead role there as this park as you
mentioned Stanley Hotel. Another little tidbit for our listeners out
there of this station. Scatman car Others comes in my
favorite character in the movie, and I don't want to
spoil if you haven't seen it, but anyway, he arrives
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at Stapleton Airport. Oh, and the weather's really bad, it's
snowing outside, and he's going to go up make his
way up to the hotel. And what radio station does
he turned on in the car?
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Oh? My sixty three Khow wow? Nice six point thirty K.
Speaker 7 (03:54):
How that is our claim to fame that our own
radio station is mentioned and referenced in the Shining.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
And I also believe that Stephen King is not a
fan of the movie, which sounds crazy on many levels.
And they did a remake of it might have been
a TV mini series, and I think he was more
favorable to that. And I forget this specific reason, but
for years and years you just said, this is not
my vision, this is not the way I saw it,
And you think, my gosh, Stanley Krubrick one of our
greatest directors. The film is such a Halloween classic. What
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could have gone wrong? But it's his book, it's his movie,
It's his story, so he doesn't like it.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
I love the movie. I thought it was creepy. It's
very scary for very unique reasons, more of a character
development type a horror movie.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
And fear. You feel the fear.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
I think Shelley Duvall and how she portrays her reaction
to Jack Nicholson, and I just think it's top shelf.
So The Shining nineteen eighty, Christian Toto in studio it did.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
I was just made aware of this.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
It had a sequel almost forty years later called Doctor Sleep,
starring Ewan McGregor and Rebecca Ferguson Kylie Kurran. This was
directed by my Flant again from twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
World's Hungry Please, and the darkest things are the hungriest
and they'll eat what shines. Some things dark things, the
(05:23):
shindows like food, and nobody shines.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Like you your.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Magic, like me.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I don't know about magic.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I would called it the Shining.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I want to find them to stop them.
Speaker 8 (05:41):
No fear understand.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So they eat screams and drink pain.
Speaker 9 (05:51):
And they've noticed that, little girl, you will scream for years.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
You should be afraid. Why is that? Because you don't
know where you're.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Standing Christian Almant.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
I have not seen this, but it seems like they
get into more of the explanation of what is the shining?
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Did you see this?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I saw it when the first hit theaters. I was
mildly impressed. It just seems like a fool's errand to
make a sequel to such a iconic story and we've
got to throw that word around, but there it is.
And I think it was moderately successful in theaters. I
think it was a huge hit. You know, good actors.
Dio McGregor, I think is underrated. But you know, listen,
it didn't. It just didn't have the sweep, the majesty,
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the freight level of that first film.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
One of the things about horror is that it's often
a neglected genre. You don't get, you rarely get the
big time directors working in that field. Are exceptions. Jonathan
Demi from Silence and the Lambs, look what he did
in Mida Classic, Francis Ford Coppola did Dracula during the
i think early nineties or somber They're the exceptions to
the rules. So to have someone like Stanley Kubrick turn
his attention to that genre and do it so well
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is amazing. And by the way, Mike Flanagan, the director
of Doctor Sleep, is a very good director. He knows horror.
I met him years ago here in Denver. He just
gets it. He's done a lot of great stuff for Netflix.
He's a talented fellow. Ain't Kubrick, you know, but who knows.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
I think he would say that.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Absolutely, absolutely, But I don't even think the source material
was as golden as the original. So you know, it's
just you're working at a deficit.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Still for a sequel. And again we've seen this lately.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
That the forty years later sequel with Beetlejuice with top
Gun and Maverick, and this one just a couple of
years ago. Like you said, it did fairly well. It
gets a seven point three out of ten on IMDb.
That's a decent score. It's not a bad movie, right
for sure. So if you see it just in and
of itself, it might not be disappointing. But like you said,
compared to the original, yeah, I mean anything but pale
in comparison.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
There.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
Christian Toto joining us Hollywood intoto dot com. You can
find him online. He's also got his own podcast. You
can subscribe and download that encourage you to do so.
Here on Ryan Schuling Live. Another scary movie with Colorado
ties inspired Stephen King, and that is Misery from nineteen
ninety starring James Kahn Kathy Bates. It's pretty much just
(08:12):
the two of them. Rob Reiner was the director. Not
sure who hates Trump more Stephen King of Rob Reiner.
But they made this movie and it was really really
good and Kathy Bates won an Academy Award. You have a.
Speaker 10 (08:24):
Compound fracture of the tibia and both legs of the fibula,
and the right legs fracture too.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
This was kind of a miracle you finding me. No
way I was following you.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
See.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
That's how I'm your number one fanel I've read everything
in yours.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
You're very kind.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I noticed in your case there's a new Paul Sheldon book.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
You want to be here.
Speaker 11 (08:42):
You'll never realize what a rare treat you've given me.
Dirty Bird, Misery, test Tank cannot be dead, misteriess thee Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And now you've been out of your room. Is this
what you're looking for?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
What do you think I feel?
Speaker 6 (09:09):
He used them to James Cohn and Kathy Bates.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
In her Academy Award winning roles three.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
I'll never forget what was the penguin figurine that he
turned the wrong way on the table? I mean, wow,
what a performance by Kathy Bates and James conn He's
bedridden for basically the whole film, and it all starts
he's in a snowstorm on a mountaintop in Colorado and
she saves.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Him and it all goes downhill from there.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Be careful what you wished for. By the way, Rob Reiner,
who was once a great director, he hasn't made a
good film at quite some time. He also did Stand
By Me, which was another Stephen King adaptation, not horror
at all, but he had the gift for quite some time. Yeah,
it's tererfect movie. They think they call it a two
hander gap basically two people and the heart and soul them.
But you know when you can do that and you
keep the tension so taut and you have great performances.
(10:05):
James kna always though it was a very physical guys,
a big guy, broad shoulders. But you know that's not
a physical role per se, not in the standard sense,
but it is physical watching him move with these sort
of injuries. And working within tight spaces and trying to
maneuver his body around that house. Is a fascinating movie.
And boy, the good Stephen King adaptations, they really pop,
(10:27):
they really do. And in this.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
One, it was around that same time I think that
Kathy Bates starred also in Fried Green Tomatoes. It was
one of my mom's all time favorite movies. This one
really put her on the map. Oh yeah, and just
a breakout performance and really a tour to force with
how she was able to basically, you know, encompass the character.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Now she's Matt Locke, so that's right, So.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
You can catch her there, Yeah, on the new TV series.
Another one here that Christian brought to my attention. There's
been a couple installations of this and it always confuses me,
and I'm easily confused. But Day of the Dead, the
original came out in nineteen eighty five. This version was
two thousand and eight, and specifically, and you'll hear it
right the beginning of the cun that I have here
(11:08):
ties to Colorado Mina Suvari, who really made her landmark
appearance in American Beauty a few years prior to this,
and she was also in the American Pie series Enfranchise,
and she starts with.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Nick Cannon in Day of the Dead two thousand and eight.
It's a beautiful day.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
You're in Leadville, Colorado.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
That is, unless you're trying to leave, because you ain't
going nowhere.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
They keep saying this is just an exercise.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Now I'll tell Sam want to be trying to light
to this?
Speaker 6 (11:37):
What do you, of course, with your orders going to
keep the town? Excuse me?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Your down keeled golf? Where is your fine?
Speaker 10 (11:46):
I want to check it out on the culio spot.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
The first time being called out, Donna, wish you was
something a little more exciting. Take careful what you wish for?
Thats what just doesn't messages that hospital.
Speaker 11 (11:58):
You have to tell a six overwhelm the hell happened here?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
We're blocking all phone lines until we get control.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Of the situation.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
But the woes look like fight mars.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, now I really need a doctor. They're the only
ones left alive.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
In the living dead. What is happening?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Could no way through riding be killed?
Speaker 5 (12:31):
No place to hide?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Today?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Is you got company?
Speaker 5 (12:41):
The Day of the Dead.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Someone to hear is infected. What are we gonna do?
I'm not gonna die here. You need a Safari, Nick Cannon,
and Ben Rains. Those things are everywhere.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
Day of the Dead, can't forget Ving Rains and Day
of the Dead, Night of the Living Dead, Evil Dead,
Evil Dead to the Walking Dead zombie movies. I mean,
where does this rank in the pantheon Christian if at all?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Oh, you know, you know the zombie movies to be
The ones that stand out are the original Night of
Living Dead. It was black and white, it's sixty eight.
It just set the template. And also, I think more recently,
probably eight or nine years old. Now you ever seen
Trained to Bussan is a I think it's a South
Korean zombie movie. It is electric. I could watch it
again and again and again. It is ferocious. They made
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a sequel called Peninsula, which was mostly terrible, but if
you get a chance, Trained to Bisan is one of
the ones that you need to really find out about.
But I feel like we're in a bit of a
lull with zombie wise. I think the Walking Dead phenomena
has kind of faded a bit, yes, laid out. Yeah,
I haven't been that many. We've seen like zomb comms
and all these different iterations of zombies. But I just
think the genres played out, we need to take a break.
(14:01):
It's great. I love it. I'd love those films. I
will say there was one exception recently. It was added
to Netflix called Outside. It was a Filipino zombie movie,
but not like you think. There are some zombie scenes,
but it's more about a family disintegrating, so that's kind
of interesting to us.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
What about this tie to Leadville in Colorado in particular,
was there some incentive to make movies here?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I don't know. You know, when I'm sitting in this
theater and I watch a movie they mention Denver, it
always kind of like because they get a little ping
in my head, for sure. I don't know. I mean
also think that a lot of times movies just go
to the lazy Chicago, New York LA. Yeah, maybe throw
in Philadelphia for a bone. But I just like, there
are so many wonderful places in the city, in the country,
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so many places that are evocative, that are interesting, that
are different. I'd love to see more stories set in
different parts of the country. So maybe maybe it's just
that impulse.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
This one on IMDb only gets four point five out
of ten, so pretty below average there.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah, it's not one of the top tier shelf, that's
for sure.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
Yeah, Christian Toto joining us Hollywood and tooto dot com.
Come back after the break, and that'll be just a
few minutes from now. He'll be en route to picking
up his sons for Halloween festivities. What's going on with that?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
He's going to try to trick your feet and then
he's gonna play hockey. So that's that's my son.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
That's all in a day's work right there. Looking forward
to that. Happy Halloween to everybody out there. A couple
here on the list, because I want to hit the
Beetlejuice original and sequel on.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
The other side. When you're in your car.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
But you said you had some suggestions here, I'll start
them one by one and you can just give like
a bullet point analysis and why people should see it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
The Descent it's my favorite modern horror movie.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Wow, that's all I can.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I mean, that's the best I can I can say
about it to recommend it. It is scary, it is creepy,
It is something I could watch on autopilot, and the
monsters are ferocious and maybe had a little spoiler because
in the first half of the movie there are no monsters,
but when they arrive, oh, they leave a mark. I
love that film, and the sequel is decent worth watching.
But Nowhere Nearest Go To is the first film.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
It sounds like par for the course. There.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Splinter, yeah, one of these unknown horror movies. It is
very low budget. The special effects are low fi as
I call them, and it's about these two different couples
who get trapped in an convenience store while something is
outside trying to get in. Great character actor Shay Wiggham
has in it. If you don't know the name, you
know his face. He's been in everything and he plays
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He plays a bad guy trying to kind of hold
on to control there. It's just a wonderful, smart, small
film that just people don't know about.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Toby Wilkins directs at Jill Wagner, Paulo Costanzo also starring
along with Shae.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Wigham in Splinter. That Country, Yeah, this one up until
recently maybe still was on Netflix, so maybe check it
out there. Okay, a couple there are in love, but
there's some tension there as well. They go into the woods,
they go hiking, and there's a bear. It's very loosely
based on true story. It is wonderful, It is tense,
it is dramatic. The last twenty minutes you get to
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hold your breath and not let go. And again there's
a great build up and there's also great dialogue and
characters where you really do care of empathy for these
particular characters and if they can survive.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
No, wait a minute, Bear loosely based on a true story.
How does it compare to Cocaine Bear that is very
loosely based on extremely Yeah, but you'd recommend this one.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Yeah, Backcountry over there, listen.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
You can always say The Exorcists and The oh Man
and The Shining those are great films. Watch them again
and again. I like to put a spot light on
films with people haven't heard. Yeah right, house Bound. Yeah,
this is a New Zealand horror comedy. And that doesn't
sound like the best sales pitch you could possibly have.
But it's smart, it's funny, it's scary. About maybe ten
or so years ago, I watched it at a Denver
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based horror film festival and it's just a wonderful little surprise.
You'll probably find it like a two B or maybe
Pluto TV. It's often lurking around there. It's just a
wonderful little film. I like how you put that lurking
for a scary movie. Gerrard Johnstone is the director. Morgana O'Reilly,
Rima Deuiata and Glen Paul Wahrue.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
Some interesting names. They're all starring in house Bound and
you were exactly right. Came out ten years ago in
twenty fourteen. Christian Toto with us. We got to let
him go in person, but he will rejoin us by
phone en route to taking his son trick or treating?
Speaker 6 (18:06):
What is he going? Ass?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
You know?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I think he's got a bird costs and its. He's thirteen.
He's almost beyond the age or dress.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
You gotta hold on to those nights. I remember my
last night trick or Treating was nineteen eighty eight. I
was fourteen years old, eighth grade, gonna go into high school.
Went out of middle school with the bank, got all
kinds of candy, and I hope he does too. See
t joins us on the other side Beetlejuice and the
sequel when we come back.
Speaker 9 (18:32):
All right, let's get that anyway.
Speaker 12 (18:34):
I got a cart around here, somewhere here.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Who I have to kill here?
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Hold that fart with you.
Speaker 9 (18:39):
WHOA, there you go.
Speaker 12 (18:41):
You don't have to kill anybody because.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
That shit gun it learn before your voice for your friends,
fuding party. No, we just want to get some people
out of our house.
Speaker 9 (18:51):
I understand.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I understand.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Well.
Speaker 12 (18:52):
Look, in order to do that, I'm really gonna have
to get to know you guys. You know, we gotta
get closer, move in with you for a while, get
to be real gal.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
My wife and I would like to ask you a
couple of queers short go ahead. For instance, what are
your qualifications? Well, I tend to truly are.
Speaker 12 (19:13):
I'm a graduate the Hard Business School.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I travel quite extensively. I lived through the.
Speaker 12 (19:16):
Black Plague, and I had a pretty good time during that.
I've seen the ex or Suste about one hundred and
sixty seven times, and it can's getting buddier every single time.
I said, not to mention the fact that you're talking
to a dead guy.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Now, what do you think do you think I'll.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
Qualified Michael Keaton his iconic role to carry on the
term that Christian Toto talked to us about in the
first segment.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
He's back with me via phone this time.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
In our second segment on Ryan Schuling Live, talking of
course about Beetlejuice, Alec Baldwin, Gina Davis and the starring
roles there but Christian. To me, there's so much texture
to this movie and what makes it a classic. It's
the underlying characters like Jeffrey Jones and Catherine O'Hara and
especially when Oda Ryder that really drive this story. Because
you've made this comment before, Michael Keaton has very limited
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screen time overall in this film.
Speaker 9 (20:04):
Yeah, and that's on purpose, and that's why it matters,
because if you had Walda well Beetlejuice, I think you'd
be exhausted. But in certain doses, Michael Keaton's out out
of control character is perfection. And yeah, listen to cast
is sublime. The musical choices are wonderful. And this is
Tim Burton at his best. He is a visual stylist.
(20:25):
He is wacky. He seems to identify with oddball characters
and you had a few of them in this movie.
And the fact they were able to reunite some of
the cast members do it all again just a few
weeks ago and do it quite successfully. I'm really pleasantly
surprised on that result.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Yeah, and I want to bridge that gap from the
original to the sequel. And we know Christine and I
have talked about this. Tim Burton was approached to go
direct to streaming services with the sequel Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, saying
it twice, and he was vehement no, I want to
release this in theaters the traditional, old fashioned way, and
it turns out that paid off.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Were you certain that it would.
Speaker 9 (21:02):
Though, no, you know, you know, as much as I
admired Tim Burton, I think his his films are hit
or miss, for sure. You always have to be suspect
when a sequel takes this long to get back into theaters,
and you know it's modern Hollywood. You think they'll just
throw a bunch of special effects at us and kind
of razzle dazzle us that way, and there won't be
(21:24):
any laughs or story. But actually it's a kind of
a sweet little story of the new film, and they
even have a new I'm not going to say what
the song is, but it's a singature song that has
played out in the film, which is a wonderful odd
ball choice. And I think you needed something a little
bit different, a little bit special to kind of make
this one unique, and I think they really accomplish it,
so I was happy that I was wrong about it.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
Well, without further ado, if you'd like a double feature
for your Halloween night viewing this evening, may I suggest
the original and then this the sequel. Beatlejuice, Beetlejuice.
Speaker 12 (21:56):
My longer up here, that old house I have, the
ghost house is your mom, Ladyadets.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Unfortunately shod legend.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
The living the dead? Can they coexist?
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Ghosts aren't real? Only glible people believe that kind of crap.
Speaker 11 (22:18):
I can't believe I'm doing you Beetle Juice, Beedle Juice,
Beedle Juice, and you.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Can help me save my daughter. But how do I
know that you're gonna keep your word?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I swear?
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Okay, Well, you and the boys stand guard.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Nobody gets through.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Where not.
Speaker 13 (22:45):
Good thing from my dream really mort nightmare material.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Front of the unknown, conquering your fears and there's nothing harder.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
What the.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Thank you all for coming to the special occasion. But
right now, with like a little privacy.
Speaker 7 (23:19):
Christian, what really stood out to me and why I
like this film so much was a sequel is always
going to depend on do these characters have somewhere to
go in their arc and their development, in their evolution,
And for Catherine O'Hara, Wenona Ryder, and Michael Keaton, the
answer seemed to be yes. And this wasn't just occupying
the same space and regurgitating the old storyline. Was that
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your feeling for this movie as well.
Speaker 9 (23:41):
Couldn't agree more. And actually during that quip, I was
thinking about sequels, and I thought, you know it, just
recently we saw a Joker fall Abdueux, which is a
good and there was really no reason to make it
besides the fact that the first one made all the money.
And yet maybe there's something to be said about a
sequel that comes so late, because I think all the
people in play they still love They love the material,
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they love the characters, they have an affinity for it.
And maybe that's why this one was successful, despite my cynicism,
which could have stopped it in the trecks, you know,
I mean, it felt like it was made for the
right reason. They must have had a decent script, The
actors were all too eager to reinhabit these characters, and
like you said, the story continues in a way that
didn't feel like oh, let's just played the greatest hits
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because that can be gus, that's so dispiriting when you
see a sequel like that. Got to know something new.
And that's why The Top Gun Maverick was so good,
because it could stand on its own.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
It's that blend between something new and the familiarity, that threadline,
the continuity and part of that which I just heard
right there. And this goes back to their collaboration in
nineteen eighty five, one of my favorite all time films,
Pee Wee's Big Adventure, Tim Burton, Danny Elfman. That unique
sound that Danny Elfman brings to the table. How important
do you think that collaboration was and is between Tim
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Burton and Danny Elfman.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
It's very important, you know, I think, and I'm guiltyness myself.
You know, my film critic scores for films really do matter,
especially with horror films. You can really set the tempo.
It could add so much to the movie. And Elfman
scores a wonderfully did Batman as well. He's done a
lot of films over the years. But I think it
is part of the connective tissue. Yeah, you've got Michael
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Keaton buried under that makeup again, that mattered, But the
score it, it just brings it all together. It makes
it of a one piece and I think that does matter,
and I'm glad to burn it.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Up and again Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
The sequel is just released in theaters a short time ago,
and you can find it a video on demand now
and do that double feature with the original. And Michael
Keaton just as good in the sequel, for my money
gets a seventy seven percent on Rotten Tomatoes and a
six point eight on IMDb. Definitely a fun, frolicking film
in this horror fest that we're looking for on Halloween.
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And Christian, I know you got some trick or treating
to get to hope you get more treats than tricks,
and good luck to your son going out there. It
looks like this will be his swan song, going door
knocking for trick or treating.
Speaker 9 (26:05):
Let's hope you get some full sized candy bars, because
you know that is the coin of the realm on Halloween.
Speaker 7 (26:10):
Christian total find him online Hollywood intoto dot com and
his podcast you can subscribe to, download and listen on
your favorite podcast platform. Hollywood in total Christian great stuff.
Happy Halloween. Thanks all right, Christin Toto right there? What
is your favorite scary movie of all time? And will
you be watching it tonight? Will you be going trick
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or treating tonight?
Speaker 6 (26:32):
You?
Speaker 7 (26:32):
Personally, I don't know. Maybe that's the thing that you
still do, Zach. Do you still go trick or treating?
Or you look young enough to?
Speaker 10 (26:41):
That's so offensive to me, man, come on, come on,
give me a little. I don't think I've gone in
a decade.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Okay, in a decade. Then your last time, your your
your kind of swan song. As I said, what was
your last Halloween costume that you ever wore?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Man, that's tough.
Speaker 10 (26:55):
One. My last was Tim Tebow. One of the last
was a Tim Tebow I think fantastic.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Like DT, those were always easy.
Speaker 10 (27:02):
When you're getting to that like middle school age, it's like,
let me just throw on a football jersey. Yeah, and
I can say I'm this guy when you're when you're
at like phone it in, I'm too cool for this.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
That's what I did in eighth grade.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
My buddy and I were Michigan State Spartan football guys.
We just painted our faces green and white, Kelly, What
was your last Hollywood Halloween costume?
Speaker 6 (27:19):
Do you remember that you want trick or treating with
as a kid.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I do.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
I was a princess.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
And for your last one, yeah, it sounds more like
the first one, like when you're four, I'm I'm a princess.
Speaker 9 (27:31):
I know.
Speaker 8 (27:32):
My first costume I ever wore was tweetybird.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:36):
Nice, but the last one was a princess.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
My first costume was Gene Simmons kiss with a one
of those plastic masks that you couldn't breathe through your
face sweated up, you know what I'm talking about. That
was late seventies magic on Halloween back in the day.
Also back in the day, we didn't have fun size
that were anything but fun. Like Christian said, full size
candy bars. And there was a bucket on a front porch.
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I remember this distinctly, living on Ard Moore or Lake Brighton, Michigan,
and it said please take one.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
And I don't know that you could get away with that.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
With all kids going to take the whole thing now,
but we were all you know, it was an on
our code system.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
We took one candy bar.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
Those were the days, you know what I hear you
know what, it's the weirdest thing the song and maybe
Zach can come back to this. That makes me think
about Halloween and it shouldn't, but it does. Is nineteen
seventy nine by Smashing Pumpkins, because that was the first
Halloween that I went tricker treating and it would span
from then to nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
So those are my Halloween trick or treating glory years.
I remember them.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Well.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
What was your favorite costume growing up wearing for Halloween?
What was the last one that you wore? What are
your Halloween plans for tonight? Do you still dress up?
Kelly did a little bit. I didn't, unless you want
to call me a Lions fan, but I dress like
this every day, so it's not really a costume, I
don't think. So we'll get to those five seven seven
three nine, wrap things up and send you into Dan
Campus when we return here on Ryan.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
Shuling Live.
Speaker 12 (29:14):
Shut Down.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
My first Halloween that I want trick or treating that
I remember anyway was nineteen seventy nine. I had just
turned five and little Rye, he was such a cute
guy and I had so much fun. I always loved Halloween.
I think it's my sister's favorite. Lizzie, she loves Halloween.
And there's a story about that, me saving Halloween for
her elementary school. Real briefly they used to do, you know,
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you'd go around to all the classrooms, all the kids
are wearing their costumes and their new and little parade. Well,
there was some Holy rollers back in my home city
of grass Lake. I use that term city loosely village.
And my Mom's like, right, Lizzie's not going to be
able to have Halloween a school.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
You write a letter to the edit and I did.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
I wrote it to the Jackson Citizen Patriot, and they
wanted to run it as a column, and so my
mom sent them my high school graduation fault. I was
in college at the time, it's like nineteen ninety six
or something like that, and I just articulated why it
was ridiculous to say that Halloween had any satanic influences,
or that the kids were out in the playground during
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recess doing Satanic.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Rituals, or it was fun.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
You dressed up in a costume, you want to run,
you want trick or treating, and that's what Halloween's all about.
Great pumpkin, Charlie Brown, that sort of thing. And I
saved Halloween, if but for one year. And this is
all I mean, Zach, I hesitate that as what year
were you born?
Speaker 13 (30:43):
I was born nineteen ninety nine, August Lord Almighty. Okay, okay,
I'm gonna breathe right now. But yeah, so you know
what's your earliest Halloween memory?
Speaker 6 (30:56):
The first thing?
Speaker 10 (30:56):
Ye, a good one, honestly, probably like a neighborhood kind
of situation like yours, going up to a bowl with
one of those take one candy things like that whole
you still have those.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
All those years later, and it survived twenty five years later.
That would have been about the first time you went
trick or treating five Yeah, so.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
That's that's good. The tradition continues.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
This one says, my first remembered costume was made by
my mom, a drum major atte That's an awesome costume.
My high top hat was a covered Quaker Oats canister
cut paper plate bill. This is creative gold buttons on
the red top coat section with my blue pleated skirt
and homemade yarn pom poms on my white snow boots,
carried and twirled my baton for blocks North Denver, our
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area brought us.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
Pillowcases of candy ps.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
I wore that costume, skirt getting shorter each year from
each five and then from Mountain Gramma, Well, thank you
for that story. That's it was great visually, you're able
to paint that picture extremely well. Alexa asked how many
people will be wearing a trash bag or an orange
vest tonight.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Yes, maybe with some orange makeup and blonde wigs. Okay,
in a red hat. And you got to be sure
you in the right neighborhood like Highland's Ranch for that.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
You don't want to go trigger and treating downtown with
the maga hat. I would not recommend that one, but
Tooche it would be the number one costume.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
But there's such a quick turnaround.
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Reminds me of when Steve Bartman, the Cubs fan, he
interfered with the ball in the World Series is back
in two thousand and three against the Marlins, and my
buddy went as Steve Bartman that your glasses, Cubs hat,
walkman headphones, the same sweatshirt whatever he was wearing. That
was a very popular costume and a short turnaround. But
not this shore. This is a couple of days, like,
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how do you like my garbage truck? It's right here.
I came down there it is. We played that earlier
if you missed it. First hour of the podcast, just
classic Trump in Green Bay describing how he got the
garbage truck and the outfit with the orange vest on.
The movie subject George C. Scott, The Changeling. That's this
texter's favorite Halloween movie. That's a good one. That's a
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kind of a dramatic scary one. The Descent is probably
the only movie that's made my skin crass, says this texter.
And that was I believe Christian called that his favorite
scary movie of all time. Kimberly says, a kind of
like family Guy's rendition of which one which the shining
was that. I mean, they've done a lot of parodies
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like that, Kimberly, but if you could be more specific,
I'm very curious. Now Colorado and horror movies, hmm, what
is the nexus there, Kelly? Do you have an explanation,
because there seems to be quite a few of them
that have ties to this state for one reason or another.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
Well, it's kind of Colorado was kind of you know,
the snowy kind of weather and it's a little creepy, and.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
Stephen King seemed to like it a lot. Yeah, and
he was inspired for not only misery, but as we
mentioned a little bit early on the.
Speaker 8 (33:52):
Shining Yeah, have you ever been up to the Sally?
Speaker 6 (33:55):
Yeah, that's just park. I was kind of confused because
you walk in.
Speaker 7 (33:58):
And I don't know, it wasn't exactly replicated in the movie.
Maybe it's changed since then, but they dedicate a lot
of you know, displays, and it's a tourist attraction all that.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
Yeah, they do tours, tours, yes, yeah, but it is
a little different than the movie.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Right right.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
As a Christian said, Stephen King did not like the
film adaptation.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
By Stanley Cue.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
That's very interesting.
Speaker 7 (34:24):
Frandy says her first Halloween costume was as tweety bird.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
That's an all time Was that yours too? Is that
what you said?
Speaker 8 (34:30):
Adah, unbelievable tweety wow.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
And her last was a voodoo witch doctor. That sounds
very involved. I remember, like I said, I was a
Geene Simmons.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
Kiss the first Spartan football guy painted face for the
last in between. I think I did Indiana Jones at
one time. That was an all time favorite, and I
was I don't know if you can use this word anymore,
but I'm gonna go ahead and do it.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Hobo, you know, like a kind of a guy that
goes around with the stick and the you know, the.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
That's a popular one. That's a go too.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
It is because I think people feel sorry for you,
like maybe you're actually I'm poor.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Give me candy.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Favorite Halloween candy bar, go Kelly Skittles.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
That's not a candy bar. Turn that down.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
Turn that down, volume down, Thank you, Zach. Final question,
you got twenty seconds, but really quickly. Your favorite candy
bar to get on Halloween.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Ess. I mean it's the cups or the pieces.
Speaker 10 (35:25):
I think the cups put it, but this time of year,
the pumpkin shape you get in a ratio on the
chocolate peanut butter.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
Show me your almond Joy. That's my all time favorite.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
It's very controversial choice, but I always traded my brother
to get all those and the nerds can't go wrong
with the big boxes of nerds.