February 15, 2025 • 57 mins
ScaryCast presents Adam Young of Brunswick, GA, a paranormal researcher, discussing some local ghost stories, UFO stories and the legendary sea monster Altama Ha Ha. Dr. John Stamey hosts.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, and live from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. This is
doctor John Stamy with Scary Cast. It's a cold Saturday,
but it's warm inside and we're gonna have a lot
of fun. We've got an exciting guest with us this afternoon.
His name is Adam Young. He is from Brunswick, Georgia,
which is kind of down south in Georgia. I've been
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there to several comic cons it's beautiful country and met
him and he has got some really cool paranormal experiences.
He is what one would call a paranormal operator, meaning
he does research and he does experiences. So this is
gonna be great. Adam, good afternoon. How are you doing today.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm well, John, Thanks for having me on. I'm really
excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Well, good, I'm excited to have you because you've got
some stories about things that I really like, ghosts and
you things that I have experienced in everything. Well, now,
you said you had a really cool UFO story, So
before we get into that, tell us a little bit
about some of the things that you have researched in
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general in the paranormal field.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Absolutely, so, I have looked into really many aspects. I
don't want to say all because as soon as I
figure I looked into all, I find another one. But
I've I've looked into cryptozoology, bigfoots. Most recently, I have
been trying to track down the Ultimahaha, which is kind
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of an ocean river monster here in the local area. Now, now,
hold on a.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Minute, will we get to talk about that? Is that
is a topic that it really excites me? Are we
going to talk about that today?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yes, sir, we can do that. Well?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Good, all right, Well that sounds like a lot of fun.
I don't want to waste another minute, and let's get started.
So you said, first of all, when we talked in
the green room, did you have a really cool UFO story?
Tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah. So, like a lot of people who gets into
the paranormal, stuff happens to you when you're young, and
then that kind of leads you down a road to
where you're looking for answers. Well, this was really my
first paranormal experience, and it happened in the summer of
two thousand, so it's been a while back, but I
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remember it like it was yesterday. So I'm in sixth
grade at the summer it's coming down, winding down. At
sometime in July, a friend and I decide that we're
going to go camping. So basically, you have the street
that I live on. There's three houses where it's my family,
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my grandma and then my aunt, and behind them are
two lots that now belonged to my aunt and my mom.
And we're going to go back there, and it's just
a little wood wooded area. We're gonna go back there
and camp out. And as you're probably familiar, and I'm
sure anyone that's you know, lives south of North Carolina
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knows that it's hot and humid even after the sun
goes down, so we can't sleep. We go up to
my cousin's house, which is nearby. She has some friends over.
She invited us to watch a movie. So we go
over there. And it's funny because when I went back
to try and figure out when this happened, I was
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able to use that movie to figure out what couple
of weekends it would have been because that movie had
just released on DVD and her dad had rented it
from Blockbusters. So just keep in mind the little details,
you know, they can add up. So we go we go.
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We watched the movie and then like, all right, well
we're gonna head back out to the tent. So we're
walking out there. I'm used to being outside at night.
I'm sure the moon was probably a decent size. But
we go back to the tent. We're almost to it,
maybe ten or twenty feet, and then all of a
sudden we stop. Now, I don't know what made me stop.
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My friend who he was kind of you know, I
don't know what you might call it boogery. He gets
spooked pretty easy. He probably stopped because I stopped. But
why I stopped, I don't know. All I know is
I stopped, and I looked up and above us was
a craft of some sort.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah you're talking about now, I'm sorry, you're talking about
directly above.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You, correct, directly above us, moving off to our right
hand side, at treetop level.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So it had you just noticed it, but it had
probably come up to being right above you, and say
about tree top level, say about maybe seventy to eighty
feet above you. Would that be about correct?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah? Yeah, i'd say that, okay. And I'm not really
sure where it came from. It made no sound whatsoever.
It's just something told me to look up, like so
I looked up and there it was. The craft was
rather large, and I would say it would say a V.
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Now I don't remember what the tail section of it
looked like, so it might have been an open V
or it might have been like a wing kind of
like how the B two is. But what I do
remember is that the front was a V. It was pointed.
It had seven lights or excuse me, not seven lights
that had yeah, seven lights. It had one in the
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middle and then three going down each side. And what
was weird to me on top of you know, it
not making any noise and really just kind of sliding along,
is that it was. It wasn't slide It wasn't going
in the direction that I would say. The front of
the craft is like you when you see an airplane,
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you can kind of figure out where the craft is right,
and for something that the V, you kind of assume
that the point of the V is the front. Well,
this thing was was I don't know, maybe five miles
an hour. It was just kind of glide along, but
it was going at an oblique angle, so it was
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like an L almost instead of a rot triangle or
a rot angle you know, with the point being the front.
It was almost flying to where like one of the
wings would have been the front, which is what struck
me as odd as well. And we stood there silent,
we watched it. It probably lasted all of maybe five
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or ten seconds, just kind of hovered over us, passed
away over the tree line, and the trees were kind
of thick, so we didn't see it once it had
cleared the tree line. Now, as an adult, I would
have followed it because I know, you know, on the
other side of that tree line is the neighbor's yard
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and they have a big old field, so I could
have I could have gone over there and like continued
watching it for at least a little bit of distance.
But for whatever reason, that didn't possess me at the moment,
and we just kind of looked at our looked at
each other, didn't say a word, went into the tent
and went to sleep.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You know that that brings up an interesting point. There
are many times when two or three people have some
kind of an experience, like seeing a UFO, we're seeing
a bigfoot or something, and they don't talk about it.
Don't you find that? I find that a little odd.
I mean, I don't know, I've always talked a lot,
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But don't you find it a little odd that you
didn't talk about it to each other?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, it is. It is odd to me. I did
at one point, and this is probably some point in
middle school. I did try to bring it up and
he did not want to talk about it at all,
which again he was he was one of those kind
of kind of people that was they're spooky about certain
certain things, they don't want to talk about it. But yeah,
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it's weird because you know, you would think that in
my brain it would be going one hundred miles an hour, like,
oh my gosh, what am I seeing?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
What is this?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
And it just it wasn't. And There's been other a
couple other times where I've seen stuff that was like
huh okay, and I almost feel like, you know, there
might be some kind of intent behind it. I don't
know if you've heard about missing four one one, but
David Body, David does work with about missing people, and
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one of the things that he's mentioned is an increase
in GHB, which is a neurotransmitter and essentially it kind
of acts like alcohol. It makes you drunk, and I
almost wonder if these paranormal phenomena, like when we see them,
our brain makes that stuff to calm us down. Because
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again I wasn't afraid. I wasn't ready to flee, and
I wasn't ready to fight. I was just like huh okay,
And then you know, clearly I was calm enough to
go to sleep or at least try.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Wow, you know that is so different. I can think
of one well well known sighting, which was Pascagoula, Mississippi,
Charles Hickson and his buddy, and they were taken up
in the craft, they experienced what they did, they were
returned and they immediately walked to the police station. I mean,
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they didn't hesitate. And that started a whole round of
light detector tests and everything. And I mean, I'm in
love with Pascagoula, and We're going to be doing hopefully
a paranormal conference down and mobile, and we've got to
go to Pasca Goula. That is like, want real big
on my agenda to go there, because it's just it's
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just a phenomenal, phenomenal sighting. But really and truly they
immediately started talking about and that's that's different. Now, what
is the chemical in your brain that you said David
Pilates talks about.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's called g h B.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Okay, I've got to check that out because that's very
that's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And so the is GHB is the acronym. It's called
gamma hydro but rate, and it does occur naturally in
the brain.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Okay, Well I'll take a look at that.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Have you ever seen anything else in that area like that?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Not here? No, that that's really like like the chef's
kiss kind of moment right there. I haven't had anything
nearly as spectacular as that any My other two encounters
really were objects in the sky that I'm almost one
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hundred percent certain, Like if I if you held a
gun to mys ahead, I would say ninety nine percent,
because you never even really can never be one hundred percent.
But the other couple of times are objects that were
in the sky and they either stopped or they increased
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or decreased in brightness. Now, planes don't just stop in
the sky. Helicopters, sure, but from what I'm looking at
is way too high to be a helicopter. So it's
really been just stuff off at a distance.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
But then but then again, you didn't hear anything, so
that that takes the helicopter potential out out of the
sighting U. Now, were there any colors to the lights
or colors to the craft that you could see?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
So for the one that happened in two thousand, there
were lights. The light was rather diffuse. It wasn't casting
a shadow as far as I can remember, white red
or burgundy and like a purplish kind of color. And
they were kind of like alternating. They weren't flashing, they
were solid. But those are the three colors on the
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two thousand craft, with one light being roughly in the
center of the apex of the point, and then three
down the sides of each wing. The other things I've seen,
they've all been white, just a white light. In fact,
you know, they were about the intensity of a star,
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like if you looked up or saw Jupiter. You would say, oh, okay,
that's stupidter Most of the other things I've seen have
been about that brighter.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Or less, but not this. This was definitely close, definitely clear,
definitely what I would call large for it was not
a star, correct.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
No, this was not a star. It was treetop level.
I estimate that if you were to take and lay
it out straight that it probably would be about the
winglet of free Sessma, So the little single engine prop
plane that's pretty common among recreational pilots. If you had
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three of those guys, wingtip to wingtip, that's what I
expect this thing would probably measure out to.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Okay, well, that is very interesting. And you know, once
you've seen something, you can't unsee it. Do you know
what I mean? It's there with you forever.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yep, I know exactly what you mean. Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I mean I know that when I was four years old.
This was back before everybody had air conditioning. Air conditioning
is a relatively modern thing for ever everybody to have.
And we had we just opened windows and had fans
going in the rooms to cool the house off. And
I walked into my room and there were two space
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aliens sitting in my window, a bigger one and a
smaller one. I paused for a minute and ran out
screaming and got my mother, who came in, and they
were gone. But you know, I can't unsee them in
my mind and in my timeline. So I mean that
experience is there forever. And that's what a lot of
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people don't realize, well that that's a really cool story.
I'm glad to have that talked about here on Scary Cast.
It's a it's a good one. And so now you
say you've had some ghost stories, and we're gonna will
save the local legend for a last but you say
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you had some ghost encounters. Now, I mean, I'll I'll
be the first one to admit. I live in a
one bedroom condo and I have a roommate and that's
mister Mansfield, who is the previous tenant who passed away,
and I know he's here. I hear him occasionally. There's
nothing I can do about that, and it makes me
feel you know, it's weird. I'm not scared of mister Mansfield.
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It makes me feel good that he's here. And I
know that may sound weird to people, but he's not
a scary entity. So tell us about your ghost experiences,
all right.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
So the first one happened to me at some point
when I was in middle school. A lot of this
stuff's happened during my childhood, but this particular that happened
in middle school, and basically back then, I was a
secret at which is kind of like RPC, but it's
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for middle school. I had high school students, and it's
not necessarily a school program. It's a private organization. And
it was a national day of prayer, and so they
had selected me and three other people. We were going
to present the colors. We were essentially going to carry
the flags into the ceremonies to officially open the ceremonies
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and have them begin. And there were a couple of
ceremonies that day, and so there was one in the morning.
I think there might have been one in the in
the evening. It was enough to get us out of school,
which is pretty cool. So we were out of school.
We went to the first one, which is in downtown Bronxwick,
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did the thing, and then we had plenty of time
to kill, went got lunch, made our way over to
the island, which is where the second event was going
to happen, and we still have plenty of time to kill,
so we decided that we were going to go to
the lighthouse. Now, the lighthouse is owned by the Georgia
Historical Society. It's a very cool place to go. It's
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not a huge site, but it's it's interesting and this
might have been my first time there. I don't actually
remember going in it before this, but we're there at
the lighthouse, in the lightkeeper's cottage. They're at the actual
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house where the person and his family would have lived. Now,
for those of you that don't know, lighthouse keepers were
effectively part of like the coast Guards, so they would
have worn a similar uniform to the Navy, and I
would happen to be this day dressed in a Navy
uniform as a sea cadet. So in a house going
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up the stairs, something hits me and it's not like
a it's not like a force. It's almost as though
I walked through a field and it's it's a it's immediate,
like you know something's happened. And the best way I
can describe it is if you think of like I'm
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walking up the stairs. It feels like something is going
down the stairs so that it like almost passes through me,
and it's a tingly sort of sensation like almost like static.
But I specifically remember it coming, you know, I feel
it on my front and then I feel it on
my back, almost as though it's passing through me, and
I stopped. I'm like, WHOA, Okay, that was really weird.
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I turn around and there's nobody there except for my
by other colleagues, and they didn't see anything, they didn't
feel anything, but that was definitely a physical interaction, and
that was That's probably gonna be my first ghost encounter,
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or that at least I can remember right there.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Now, let me ask you a quick question. Is the
lighthouse known to have had paranormal activity? Are there stories
out there about ghosts and things like that.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yes, So the lighthouse has actually been on my radar
for quite a while. I've wanted to get out there,
and I had talked to some people at some point,
like a year or two ago, and asked him about it, like, hey,
you know, has anyone ever come out here and done
an investigation? And they're like no, but you know we
you know, we hear things that can get kind of
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creepy around here. And I haven't done a ton of research.
But if memory serves correct, I believe I remember that
there was a death that did happen on the property
and it was a guy who was on the business
end of a shotgun and it happened in the front yard,
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So you know, it could be that person or you know,
the the people who keep lights they're very dedicated to
doing that because if you know, if the light goes
out or something goes wrong, you know, then you know,
people and hundreds of millions of dollars of cargo are
are at stake. So it's a very you know, it's
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a very work heavy job. So I could imagine that
even if it's not something intelligent, that it would be
something residual, just for the deer amount of work that
goes in labor that goes into being a lighthouse keeper.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Okay, well, that that's that's pretty cool. I have not
I have never been in a lighthouse when I could,
and I occasionally get down to Brunswick. I would love
for you to take me there. Is that something that
the general public who can just pay and go in
or just go in?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's open to the public. I don't
think it is seven days a week, and I know
that whatever it says the closing time, about thirty minutes
before that is when they sell the last ticket because
they don't want you to get up to the top
of the lighthouse and then it's five o'clock and they
can't go home. So yeah, i'd definitely show you, show
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you around.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Well, that. That's that's great. What is the name of
that light house?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
It is the Saint Simon's Island Lighthouse.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Okay, everybody put that put that one on your to
do list. That sounds that sounds really great. Yeah, I
would love to go see that. All right, Annie, do
you have you have another ghost story for us before
we really get into the crypti and paranormal world.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah. So, uh, this next one, it's really two kind
of tied into one. It's the same phenomena. Uh, and
it shadow people. So fast forward.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Many something that is scary or potentially really scary when
you're talking about shadow people.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
My my my girlfriend at the time, who was uh
she was a USP a universal support person at a
nursing home. When I told her about this, she freaked
out because she's like, oh my god, you're going to
die people. You know when the old folks say they
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see these things, they usually turn up dead. I'm like,
calm down, I'm not he's going to be a fight
on its hands.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
If it thinks that's what's going down, that's a good thing. Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
So uh, the first accounter I have with these things
is so both of them are at work. The first
one I'm in high school or maybe just out of
high school. I'm helping my dad with his landscaping service,
and I'm blowing. I have a backpack blower on, I
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got my headphones on. I can't really hear much. And
we couldn't get around to cutting the grass at this
particular place what happens to be a church on Saturday,
and so we kind of went early Sunday morning because
we wanted to make sure the grass was cut before service.
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And we got there fairly early the sun I think
maybe it just started coming up. It was still kind
of dark out. I'm blowing off grass clippings and leaves
off the sidewalk or I'll not leave because this is
the summer. It'd be debris or dirt. And I get
the filing to turn around to look behind me, and there,
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reaching out with its right arm to almost grab my
left shoulder is a shadow person. I mean it is black,
like blacker than the darkness around it, and like I
can make out individual fingers of this thing, and it's
reaching out to me, and then like I see it,
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it registers and then it's gone, like just poof, And
I'm thinking to myself, holy cow, I'm like, I'm at
a church. That stuffin's supposed to happen at a church.
What in the world? And so this encounter happened, and
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then you know, fast forward, you know, about twenty thirteen,
twenty twelve. I graduated in nine, So fast forward to
like twenty thirteen. Somewhere in there, I'm at my new job,
or well another job, and I'm working security, and I'm
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working at the marina here in Brunswick. And you know,
part of my job is walking. I walk up and
down this marina all night long on the docks, and
the same thing, which, of course, as a security guard,
you know, I'm used to looking over my shoulder, you know,
making sure no one's gonna come up behind me, and
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so same thing. I just kind of like look over
my shoulder and they're this same solid black mass, got
its right arm out. I could see the fingers like
it's reaching to tap me on, was gonna tap me
on the left shoulder, And then again it was there.
I registered it, and then woof, it was gone.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
About how tall was this entity?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
So I'm five ' three, it would have been it
was a little taller than me. I don't think it
was more than six foot, so it would have been
somewhere between five five and six foot.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
All right, did you do you notice any particular smell.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I don't remember a smell. No, And I don't remember
any features. It was just it was solid black. And
so the church wasn't very well lit because they don't really,
I don't have lights at night. The marina I worked
at was well lit. They have plenty of lighting. But
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this thing was completely black. Like it was like Phanta
black or Vanta black or I say it it was.
It was dark.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
And you could not see through it. Correct.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Correct, it was entirely opaque.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Wow, never said anything? No sound?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Correct, no sound.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Have you ever heard of any other people in the
area having similar experiences?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I haven't heard of it. No, What do you.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Think the source of this entity was? If you just
had to give a good educated guess of what you think,
what would it be?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Well, I'm not really sure. There's there's I have kind
of two sides of me. On one side, you know,
there's there's people out there that they want to say, oh, well,
it was some kind of you know, waking sleep paralysis,
and it's like bro, I was on my feet walking,
I was wide awake, So it wasn't I don't think
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it was anything you know, conjured up by my mot well,
I don't want to use the word conjured, but I
don't think it was a construct of my mind where
it was like I'm I turn around expecting to see
something and then I see it. And while I can't
roll that out, I don't. I don't think that was
quite its Honestly, I couldn't tell you. It's just so
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weird that it would happen almost identical, you know, the
identical situation twice with several years in between, and the
fact that the first time it happened it was on
church ground just kind of blew me away because I
was like, wait a minute, this ain't supposed to happen,
you know, on holy ground or sanctified ground, but there
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it was. I didn't I didn't get a sense of
fear so much as it was a sense of more shock,
like Okay, there's this thing that's close to me and
it ain't supposed to be this close to me. So
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it's apprehension, I guess, more so than fear, Like I
don't felt I didn't feel like it was meaning to
harm me. I didn't get that general vibe. Now that
being said, you know, there's no telling what it would
have wanted to do, because you know, like I said,
it was reaching out and touched me, and it was close,
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like within arms literally within arm's reach.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So what prompted it to vanish that second time? Did
you say something?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
No? With both both times, it was really I just
I turned around and my brain registered, as you know,
a silhouette of a person, the shoulders, the arm, the fingers. Uh,
And then it was just gone, like it it just
like blinked out of existence, or at least that it
blinked out of the visual spectrum, you know, if you
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want to say that this is where I just lost
visual right?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Did it have the general appearance of a human? In
other words, were the arms in the hands the right
proportions for a human?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yes. The only thing that I don't remember specifically are
the ears. I don't remember if it had ears, But
the head, the shoulder, the arm, elbow, fingers, all that
was was humanoid.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Did you get the sense that it had clothes on?
Like could you tell if there was a jacket on?
Or did you just see the silhouette of a person
whatever that means?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
H yeah, No, it was just a silhouette. There wasn't
any indication of like a collar or a cumf or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Okay, well, that's very very interesting. I mean, And was
that how near, say St. Simon's Island?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Was that? Uh? I mean, Brotherwick's not a really big place,
you could, Like, if you come off the causeway from St.
Simon's Island, you're probably no more than a couple miles
from the spot.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Oh okay, so maybe five five to eight minutes ten
minutes distance. Okay, very interesting. All right. I like that story.
I mean, I don't know if that I would have
enjoyed it that much had I been there. But that's
a great story, and now I'm glad we have it
registered and recorded here on Scary Cast. Well those are
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a couple of good stories. Now comes the big one.
You have got a local cryptid, I guess you would
call it. Tell us a little bit about it and
what you know and your experience, if any. And first
of all, what is the name of this cryptid?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So this is called the Ultima Hawk. And when I
first heard about it, you know, it's got ha haa
in the name. So I just kind of wrote it
off and when I when I started getting into podcasting
and researching it cryptozoology more in depth, I came across
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this thing in some books and I'm like, oh, okay,
there are like there's a legit. There's a paper trail
behind this thing. It's not just something some person made
up to keep kids out of the you know, out
of the river. So yeah, it's called the Altimahaha. If
you come to Darien, they call it Alty for short,
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and it's it's a sea monster, river monster, however you
want to classify it. And it's got a record going back.
The earliest one is eighteen thirty. You have a Captain
Delano of the schooner Eagle and he sees a creature
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that he estimates is about seventy feet long. It's the
thickness of a barrel, and it has a head the
shape of an alligator. So he saw this thing and
he reported it to one of the newspapers in Savannah,
the Savannah Georgian newspaper at the time, and that's the
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first account of it. And then over the course of
the next you know, a couple hundred years, it comes
in and out of the public record, people seeing it.
Most of the stuff that you're going to be able
to find on it in print is going to come.
They're pretty much all the same accounts. My primary source
(34:51):
has been Peach State Monsters by David Weatherley. He's got
a whole collection of book. But I found it in
his book. I found it in several others, And basically
what you have is some kind of creature that presumably
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lives in the ocean, and at times it will come
up the river or into the estuaries. Some people postulate
or theorize that it's coming into the estuaries to lay
its eggs, although there's really no evidence to say one
way or the other whether it would even lay eggs.
(35:36):
Probably the best thing I can say is that whatever
it is, it's probably warm blooded. So it's not like
a dinosaur like people say, Look, you know Nassy's applesiosaur,
which is, you know, an aquatic dinosaur. This doesn't quite
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give off those characteristics. So it's a bit Although there
are some accounts that have it listed as right are large.
I mean that you know that first account there seventy
feet long. You know that that's that's a big that's
a big creature, A big creature. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
And the most recent account that I have said that
it was about the size of a small boat. So
I'm thinking, you know, something like a john boat or
a fishing boat. And it's seen near or around the
Altimaha River. Now, the Altimaha River is, if I'm not mistaking,
it's like the largest water. There's largest river in Georgia.
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It drains a lot. In fact, it is actually known
as the Mississippi River of Georgia. And it winds its
way branching off from a couple of the rivers, comes
down the fall line and then here, and then it
hits the and there's a lot of habitat here. There's
a lot of different animals. And of course, you know,
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one of the things that I want to try to
do is I want to read the accounts and then
I want to try to defunk them. There are accounts
where it says it has humps. So for instance, there's
one nineteen ninety five account that was taken actually kind
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of in the estuary. Was a gentleman, I want to say,
he was dropping off somebody to camp on one of
the smaller islands. The gentleman says that he saw, you know,
undulating humps, three of them, and that he estimated that
the creature was thirty feet long and it quickly submerged. Well,
(37:50):
it's probably not a tree, but there are things that
could be. It could be he's For instance, there is
a clip on YouTube and I shared you one of
the clips. I think I actually might have shared you
the wrong one. So there's a guy, TD Parmel and
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he's got he's only got two videos on YouTube, and
both of these videos are from fourteen years ago. And
he's at fourteen George, which is another place that I'd
love to show you. I've been there many times. And
basically he's looking down a channel that leads toward the
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Altimaha River and there's something in the river, like there's
something in front of him, and I'm not entylly sure
what it is. It could be a really large fish.
But if you look at the video, like from one
side of the screen to the other side of the
screen is it's about two hundred feet across the channel
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is and from where he's at, roughly speaking, it's about
one hundred and twenty feet from where he's at to
where the object is. So you know, given that distance,
whatever it is has to be rather sizable now, it
could be several entities. In fact, when I was out
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there last summer trying to, you know, figure out measurements
and distances and whatnot, it was actually kind of cool
because I was there on the dock and all of
a sudden, I hear a noise and I'm like, what
in the world. Turn around and I'm looking and I'm listening,
and there were there were a couple of amenities just
(39:53):
kind of mosy and by which, funnily enough, one of
the UH one of the reports is that when this
thing breathes, it gives off steam, so that that there
tells us it's probably warm blooded. So also probably not
(40:14):
a pleasias or. But there's other ones that can't be
the bunk so easily. For instance, in UH in two
thousand and two, I have an anonymous account from a
tugboat captain.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
And there are tugboats in the area.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
That's a maya yeah, And this guy was, uh so,
so yeah, rouser kinds a port. It's not a very
big point. It's not like you know, Savannah or Jacksonville.
But we can we can dock a handful of of
large container ships. So so this tugboat guy says, uh.
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Suddenly and without warning, something large broke the surface immediately
in front of the tow boat. It was broaching the
surface similar to the way a dolphin does the head
than body than tail. I knew at once it was
unlike anything I had ever seen. It was about the
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size around as a large beach ball. It was dark brown,
almost black, maybe spotted with darker spots. It was long.
I remember thinking, when will I ever see the end
of this thing? The creature was estimated at twenty feet
long and was seen rising and submerging about two to
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three times. So this guy saw something coming up and
out of the water, and you know, you would figure
that something like this he would know what was out there.
He would know, Okay, that's a dolphin, which I've seen dolphins.
You know they have a dorsal fin. This person doesn't
describe a dorsal fin. There's another account from a place
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called Two Way Fish Camp, which is actually where this
guy was leaving from. He was actually towing a boat
from Two Way Fish Camp to the marina that I
used to work at where I saw the shadow person.
And this account from Two Way Fish Camp. If I
can find it here. Basically it said that something was
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creating a wake and it was big enough that it
rocked the docks there. I mean, the docks are floating docks.
But to create a wake that will be big enough
for that, you know, you're talking a lot of displacement.
So that's not amanite making making that happen. That's not
even a gator. You know, gators don't swim that fast.
They you know, faster than we can, but not enough
(42:52):
to make a wake. It's going to rock boats in
a dock, So you know, it's it is very interesting.
And as to what it can be, I'm not sure.
Some of them I can say, Okay, this is probably amanite,
maybe a school ofmenites. But then there's ones where it's like, okay,
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well manatee don't make awake like that. And there are
big fish and there are there are river otters out
there in the Altamaha and a lot of people actually
have gone out there and then have gone missing. In
the Altimaha River. It can be quite a dangerous place.
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So and that's actually it's one of my ongoing research
projects right now, is keeping an eye on the area.
I did a blanket or not a blanket. I did
a library talk there last July, and actually I got
two accounts. Both of these accounts, or at least one
(43:59):
of them was twenty twenty four. It was that same year.
In fact, it was only a week or two prior
to me doing the talk. And it was interesting because
this person her her account lined up pretty well with
the other gentleman. He never he never submitted anything, so
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I can't really really give you what he said other
than to say that it was basically coming up the
river either during or preceding a storm. And so this
one lady, her and her fiance were leaving Darien, coming
to Brunswick, and it was raining, passing over the bridge,
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the very last bridge, the one that separates McIntosh County
from from Glenn County, where again to a fish camp is.
They come over the bridge and they see something out
of their window and it's there in the water. And
this is the account where she said, you know, I
would suspect it was about the size of a small boat.
(45:13):
They get off the bridge, turn around, come back and
I don't see anymore. Now when in her account, the
way that she puts it, she doesn't she kind of
excludes the possibility that it might have submerged. So from
her perspective, had it stayed on the surface of the water,
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there's no way that it would have been able to
get out of sight before they had turned around and
come back. But you know, if it had submerged, it
would have been out of sight. So there's really no
way of knowing what it was that she saw, But
there I do. I'm kind of have the hypothesis that
maybe this thing comes into the estuaries and the rivers
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to get out get away from some of these storms.
That's one tidbit that I've kind of put together from
some recent accounts. So it's still being seen even to
this day.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
All right, are there any accounts of this thing back
in the early nineteen hundreds and earlier, or or are
all of these accounts from fairly recent twenty thirty forty
years ago?
Speaker 2 (46:29):
So a lot of them are Well I have to
like preface this by saying that some of these are unknowns.
We know the year or we know the decade, but
we don't know like who are you know where these
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people were. It's just an account like, oh, yeah, some
boy scouts saw something in the nineteen forties or there's
one in the nineteen thirty five where some hunters saw
a quote giant snake, you know, and it makes its
way into the Cryptid Book, and it's contributed to Alty.
But the earliest one is eighteen thirty, and then we
(47:16):
get into the twenties. There's one for thirty five, forties,
fifty nine, seventy, seventies, eighty, there's a handful in the eighties,
and then there's a couple in the nineties, and then
(47:38):
we have some which not really sure where to put.
I'm fairly certain there's somewhere in the knots, so like
somewhere between two thousand and twenty ten. So it every
so often it'll peak up, like there's one pretty much
in every decade going back to you know, nineteen twenty.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
So you have some fairly regular sightings. That's that's very
interesting now, and you wonder, is this one animal that's
very old or is this an animal that spawns young
and these are young that grow up. That's that's one
(48:27):
question that you want to try to address. I don't
know if you can, but you know, there are a
lot of interesting aspects to look at when you're thinking
about these sea monsters. Or whatever. You know, are they
one the kind? Are they ancient or or are they propagating?
You know, are there more than one for them to propagate?
(48:52):
In general? I'm just saying in general, one would think
that there would need to be more than one. Who knows,
there's some species that can propagate by themselves. So I mean,
you just never know, and it's just a matter of
waiting and watching. So that sounds that's really interesting. It's
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an entity that I haven't heard a lot of, but
I've heard about it, but for some reason, it doesn't
make its way up here to Charleston and Myrtle Beach.
It just doesn't. So that's really good that we had
this story. And it's certainly certainly something that when I
come down there to the area, I like to get
together with you and us go investigate and see if
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we can get lucky. Maybe we can get a doubleheader
and find a find a shadow person and all tomahaha,
the same trip. That'd be great.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, sounds good to me. For so I have I've
considered the the reproduction problem, and that's really kind of
a thing that you really have to with most cryptids,
what I call the cotton eye Joe problem. You know,
(50:09):
where to come from, where to go sort of deal. Yeah,
and you know you bring up the point of reproduction,
and that is, you know, if you're going to talk,
you know, flesh and blood, which I know there are
people out there that yeah, flesh and blood one hundred percent,
and there's other people out there that are like, well,
maybe it comes from somewhere else, you know, if you're
(50:31):
starting from a flesh and blood perspective. Genetics is a
very interesting science, and when we don't really know much
about it, there are theories and their hypothesis that we
have that simply don't don't quite line up with what
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happens in nature. And it's not really to the detriment.
I mean, it's not that I'm blaming scientists for this,
but you know that some people say that, you know,
science changes one death at a time, so as soon
as this person passes away, someone comes up with a
new theory and then it gets accepted. But with doctor
(51:14):
Jeff Melgrum, I attend to one of his talks and
he basically laid out that well, you know, there was
this one species of the gorillas that it almost went extinct.
There were like fifty some odd breeding pairs, and the
naturalists were very concerned about genetic diversity, and so when
they started testing these gorillas, they basically found that there
(51:38):
was some sort of switch in their genetics that had
been flipped for you know, you know in case of repopulation,
break glass, you know, sort of deal that had had
kept their genetic diversity up and had kept them from
basically being inbred. So what exactly a viable population would be,
(52:03):
It's really hard to pin to pinpoint. I would say
that more than likely there are more of these guys
out there somewhere. I mean, in Florida, there's humber with
the name of it is They call it Pinky, and
it's it's a similar river ocean monster sort of deal
(52:23):
that lives I want to see in the Saint Lawrence
River around Jacksonville. And you know that's only by car.
That's only about an hour hour and a half away
from from where we are and not very far at all. Really, yeah,
it's it's not very far, especially when you you know,
you look at some animals and their migratory trends, how
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far they will go like literally halfway across the world,
you know, to spawn or to breed or to nest,
and so you know, I'm not I'm definitely not gonna
write it off that it's not genetically possible, because you know,
we don't know that much about what's in the ocean,
and we're discovering things all the time. I mean, you know,
(53:06):
look at the felacamps. You know, that's like that's the
example of cryptozoology. People are like, oh, yeah, it's a fossil.
And then you know, some guy in Africa brings it
up in a fishing net and he's like, wait a minute,
this thing's supposed to be extinct, you know. So it's
it's possible that there could be creatures out there that
(53:27):
we simply have it. We just haven't come across. We've
just missed them somehow, you know. But the point of
reproduction is one that I always It's always the thing
that I have sitting on my table looking at and
and sea monsters are like, there's a whole field. Like
you know, when people talk about cryptosology, they're like bigfoot,
(53:50):
Like cool, Well, you know, it's not just bigfoot here.
There are other things out there. But sea monsters have
been around with humanity for you know, ever since they
saw the ocean. So there's you know, there's no reason
to think that it's not possible that these things don't exist.
I mean even in the Bible or any that talks
(54:12):
about Leviathan, which you could interpret as some sort of
a sea monster or a sea dragon or a sea serpent.
So the tales of these sorts of things go back
a long long time.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Well, you know, it's funny you speak about the Bible
and you got to think about David and Goliath, and
so many people don't want to acknowledge the fact that
giants may have existed when they certainly did exist. And oh,
you know a lot of people don't know this, but Goliath,
I believe, had three brothers that were giants as well.
(54:48):
So I mean, you know, we don't we don't know,
and it's one of the wonderful mysteries of the earth.
We just got to keep looking for it and one
day we'll find the truth. Is one as we don't
have another great flood or whatever. I don't know, but
it's it's a it's a wonderful thing to do. And
I'm glad you're interested, and I'm glad. I'm glad to
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have another friend down in that area, because that's that's
an area that I don't really get to a lot.
And and and I always thought it was beautiful and
I and I had heard of Aaltimaha, but I didn't
really know even as much as you told us today.
I mean, I think that's really really interesting. And so
maybe I can get down there sooner than later and
(55:31):
we can go try to see what what's what with that,
and maybe the shadow person and go to the I
don't know, go to the lighthouse. I think that would
be a lot of fun. So look, thank you very
much for being with us on Scary Cast. I hope
you will come back with some more stories. I hope you.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Will absolutely love to be here.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
Good because because I like to have people that have
new and interesting stories. I know Myrtle Beach doesn't have
so much, But Myrtle Beach does have one thing that
a lot of people don't know about. They have scout
ships UFO Scout ships, which it turned out to be
approximately a diameter of ten feet. Orange craft did sometimes
(56:16):
come up towards the shore and sometimes leave, and the
world famous author Bo Bryant he had an experience he
and a friend were paddling on a boat down there
in the Charleston area, and they turned around and there
was an Orange Scout ship just following them. He said,
they were terrified. He said it didn't matter how fast
they went or how slow they went, the thing kept
(56:38):
the distance, but it stayed with them. They just finally
turned around and just didn't even look, and by the
time they got to the dock, it was gone. But
you know, Myrtle Beach is not really an area that
has so much UFO sidings or cryptid sidings. It does
have a lot of ghosts. And we were subject to
(56:59):
the legends of Anne Bonnie, the female Pirate, and it's
really interesting stuff. Ralph Jerrold's a friend of mine. I've
got to get him on Scary Cast. Haven't had him
on it in a while, to get him to talk
about the legend of Anne Bonnie. He wrote the book
and it's very interesting. You know what we what we
can learn from him. So look, thanks a lot. We'll
(57:21):
have you on sooner than later here on Scary Cast,
and I'll talk to you soon. I'll give you a
quick call when we're when we're done to do it,
because I always do the quick call around with our guests,
and thank you very much. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
I'm happy to be here, happy to have talked to you,
with you all right, bye bye bye bye
Hello, and live from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. This is
doctor John Stamy with Scary Cast. It's a cold Saturday,
but it's warm inside and we're gonna have a lot
of fun. We've got an exciting guest with us this afternoon.
His name is Adam Young. He is from Brunswick, Georgia,
which is kind of down south in Georgia. I've been
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there to several comic cons it's beautiful country and met
him and he has got some really cool paranormal experiences.
He is what one would call a paranormal operator, meaning
he does research and he does experiences. So this is
gonna be great. Adam, good afternoon. How are you doing today.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm well, John, Thanks for having me on. I'm really
excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Well, good, I'm excited to have you because you've got
some stories about things that I really like, ghosts and
you things that I have experienced in everything. Well, now,
you said you had a really cool UFO story, So
before we get into that, tell us a little bit
about some of the things that you have researched in
(01:15):
general in the paranormal field.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Absolutely, so, I have looked into really many aspects. I
don't want to say all because as soon as I
figure I looked into all, I find another one. But
I've I've looked into cryptozoology, bigfoots. Most recently, I have
been trying to track down the Ultimahaha, which is kind
(01:40):
of an ocean river monster here in the local area. Now, now,
hold on a.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Minute, will we get to talk about that? Is that
is a topic that it really excites me? Are we
going to talk about that today?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yes, sir, we can do that. Well?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Good, all right, Well that sounds like a lot of fun.
I don't want to waste another minute, and let's get started.
So you said, first of all, when we talked in
the green room, did you have a really cool UFO story?
Tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah. So, like a lot of people who gets into
the paranormal, stuff happens to you when you're young, and
then that kind of leads you down a road to
where you're looking for answers. Well, this was really my
first paranormal experience, and it happened in the summer of
two thousand, so it's been a while back, but I
(02:33):
remember it like it was yesterday. So I'm in sixth
grade at the summer it's coming down, winding down. At
sometime in July, a friend and I decide that we're
going to go camping. So basically, you have the street
that I live on. There's three houses where it's my family,
(02:56):
my grandma and then my aunt, and behind them are
two lots that now belonged to my aunt and my mom.
And we're going to go back there, and it's just
a little wood wooded area. We're gonna go back there
and camp out. And as you're probably familiar, and I'm
sure anyone that's you know, lives south of North Carolina
(03:17):
knows that it's hot and humid even after the sun
goes down, so we can't sleep. We go up to
my cousin's house, which is nearby. She has some friends over.
She invited us to watch a movie. So we go
over there. And it's funny because when I went back
to try and figure out when this happened, I was
(03:40):
able to use that movie to figure out what couple
of weekends it would have been because that movie had
just released on DVD and her dad had rented it
from Blockbusters. So just keep in mind the little details,
you know, they can add up. So we go we go.
(04:01):
We watched the movie and then like, all right, well
we're gonna head back out to the tent. So we're
walking out there. I'm used to being outside at night.
I'm sure the moon was probably a decent size. But
we go back to the tent. We're almost to it,
maybe ten or twenty feet, and then all of a
sudden we stop. Now, I don't know what made me stop.
(04:27):
My friend who he was kind of you know, I
don't know what you might call it boogery. He gets
spooked pretty easy. He probably stopped because I stopped. But
why I stopped, I don't know. All I know is
I stopped, and I looked up and above us was
a craft of some sort.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah you're talking about now, I'm sorry, you're talking about
directly above.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You, correct, directly above us, moving off to our right
hand side, at treetop level.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So it had you just noticed it, but it had
probably come up to being right above you, and say
about tree top level, say about maybe seventy to eighty
feet above you. Would that be about correct?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah? Yeah, i'd say that, okay. And I'm not really
sure where it came from. It made no sound whatsoever.
It's just something told me to look up, like so
I looked up and there it was. The craft was
rather large, and I would say it would say a V.
(05:46):
Now I don't remember what the tail section of it
looked like, so it might have been an open V
or it might have been like a wing kind of
like how the B two is. But what I do
remember is that the front was a V. It was pointed.
It had seven lights or excuse me, not seven lights
that had yeah, seven lights. It had one in the
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middle and then three going down each side. And what
was weird to me on top of you know, it
not making any noise and really just kind of sliding along,
is that it was. It wasn't slide It wasn't going
in the direction that I would say. The front of
the craft is like you when you see an airplane,
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you can kind of figure out where the craft is right,
and for something that the V, you kind of assume
that the point of the V is the front. Well,
this thing was was I don't know, maybe five miles
an hour. It was just kind of glide along, but
it was going at an oblique angle, so it was
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like an L almost instead of a rot triangle or
a rot angle you know, with the point being the front.
It was almost flying to where like one of the
wings would have been the front, which is what struck
me as odd as well. And we stood there silent,
we watched it. It probably lasted all of maybe five
(07:10):
or ten seconds, just kind of hovered over us, passed
away over the tree line, and the trees were kind
of thick, so we didn't see it once it had
cleared the tree line. Now, as an adult, I would
have followed it because I know, you know, on the
other side of that tree line is the neighbor's yard
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and they have a big old field, so I could
have I could have gone over there and like continued
watching it for at least a little bit of distance.
But for whatever reason, that didn't possess me at the moment,
and we just kind of looked at our looked at
each other, didn't say a word, went into the tent
and went to sleep.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You know that that brings up an interesting point. There
are many times when two or three people have some
kind of an experience, like seeing a UFO, we're seeing
a bigfoot or something, and they don't talk about it.
Don't you find that? I find that a little odd.
I mean, I don't know, I've always talked a lot,
(08:17):
But don't you find it a little odd that you
didn't talk about it to each other?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, it is. It is odd to me. I did
at one point, and this is probably some point in
middle school. I did try to bring it up and
he did not want to talk about it at all,
which again he was he was one of those kind
of kind of people that was they're spooky about certain
certain things, they don't want to talk about it. But yeah,
(08:48):
it's weird because you know, you would think that in
my brain it would be going one hundred miles an hour, like,
oh my gosh, what am I seeing?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
What is this?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
And it just it wasn't. And There's been other a
couple other times where I've seen stuff that was like
huh okay, and I almost feel like, you know, there
might be some kind of intent behind it. I don't
know if you've heard about missing four one one, but
David Body, David does work with about missing people, and
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one of the things that he's mentioned is an increase
in GHB, which is a neurotransmitter and essentially it kind
of acts like alcohol. It makes you drunk, and I
almost wonder if these paranormal phenomena, like when we see them,
our brain makes that stuff to calm us down. Because
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again I wasn't afraid. I wasn't ready to flee, and
I wasn't ready to fight. I was just like huh okay,
And then you know, clearly I was calm enough to
go to sleep or at least try.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Wow, you know that is so different. I can think
of one well well known sighting, which was Pascagoula, Mississippi,
Charles Hickson and his buddy, and they were taken up
in the craft, they experienced what they did, they were
returned and they immediately walked to the police station. I mean,
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they didn't hesitate. And that started a whole round of
light detector tests and everything. And I mean, I'm in
love with Pascagoula, and We're going to be doing hopefully
a paranormal conference down and mobile, and we've got to
go to Pasca Goula. That is like, want real big
on my agenda to go there, because it's just it's
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just a phenomenal, phenomenal sighting. But really and truly they
immediately started talking about and that's that's different. Now, what
is the chemical in your brain that you said David
Pilates talks about.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's called g h B.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Okay, I've got to check that out because that's very
that's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And so the is GHB is the acronym. It's called
gamma hydro but rate, and it does occur naturally in
the brain.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Okay, Well I'll take a look at that.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Have you ever seen anything else in that area like that?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Not here? No, that that's really like like the chef's
kiss kind of moment right there. I haven't had anything
nearly as spectacular as that any My other two encounters
really were objects in the sky that I'm almost one
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hundred percent certain, Like if I if you held a
gun to mys ahead, I would say ninety nine percent,
because you never even really can never be one hundred percent.
But the other couple of times are objects that were
in the sky and they either stopped or they increased
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or decreased in brightness. Now, planes don't just stop in
the sky. Helicopters, sure, but from what I'm looking at
is way too high to be a helicopter. So it's
really been just stuff off at a distance.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
But then but then again, you didn't hear anything, so
that that takes the helicopter potential out out of the
sighting U. Now, were there any colors to the lights
or colors to the craft that you could see?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
So for the one that happened in two thousand, there
were lights. The light was rather diffuse. It wasn't casting
a shadow as far as I can remember, white red
or burgundy and like a purplish kind of color. And
they were kind of like alternating. They weren't flashing, they
were solid. But those are the three colors on the
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two thousand craft, with one light being roughly in the
center of the apex of the point, and then three
down the sides of each wing. The other things I've seen,
they've all been white, just a white light. In fact,
you know, they were about the intensity of a star,
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like if you looked up or saw Jupiter. You would say, oh, okay,
that's stupidter Most of the other things I've seen have
been about that brighter.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Or less, but not this. This was definitely close, definitely clear,
definitely what I would call large for it was not
a star, correct.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
No, this was not a star. It was treetop level.
I estimate that if you were to take and lay
it out straight that it probably would be about the
winglet of free Sessma, So the little single engine prop
plane that's pretty common among recreational pilots. If you had
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three of those guys, wingtip to wingtip, that's what I
expect this thing would probably measure out to.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Okay, well, that is very interesting. And you know, once
you've seen something, you can't unsee it. Do you know
what I mean? It's there with you forever.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yep, I know exactly what you mean. Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I mean I know that when I was four years old.
This was back before everybody had air conditioning. Air conditioning
is a relatively modern thing for ever everybody to have.
And we had we just opened windows and had fans
going in the rooms to cool the house off. And
I walked into my room and there were two space
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aliens sitting in my window, a bigger one and a
smaller one. I paused for a minute and ran out
screaming and got my mother, who came in, and they
were gone. But you know, I can't unsee them in
my mind and in my timeline. So I mean that
experience is there forever. And that's what a lot of
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people don't realize, well that that's a really cool story.
I'm glad to have that talked about here on Scary Cast.
It's a it's a good one. And so now you
say you've had some ghost stories, and we're gonna will
save the local legend for a last but you say
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you had some ghost encounters. Now, I mean, I'll I'll
be the first one to admit. I live in a
one bedroom condo and I have a roommate and that's
mister Mansfield, who is the previous tenant who passed away,
and I know he's here. I hear him occasionally. There's
nothing I can do about that, and it makes me
feel you know, it's weird. I'm not scared of mister Mansfield.
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It makes me feel good that he's here. And I
know that may sound weird to people, but he's not
a scary entity. So tell us about your ghost experiences,
all right.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
So the first one happened to me at some point
when I was in middle school. A lot of this
stuff's happened during my childhood, but this particular that happened
in middle school, and basically back then, I was a
secret at which is kind of like RPC, but it's
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for middle school. I had high school students, and it's
not necessarily a school program. It's a private organization. And
it was a national day of prayer, and so they
had selected me and three other people. We were going
to present the colors. We were essentially going to carry
the flags into the ceremonies to officially open the ceremonies
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and have them begin. And there were a couple of
ceremonies that day, and so there was one in the morning.
I think there might have been one in the in
the evening. It was enough to get us out of school,
which is pretty cool. So we were out of school.
We went to the first one, which is in downtown Bronxwick,
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did the thing, and then we had plenty of time
to kill, went got lunch, made our way over to
the island, which is where the second event was going
to happen, and we still have plenty of time to kill,
so we decided that we were going to go to
the lighthouse. Now, the lighthouse is owned by the Georgia
Historical Society. It's a very cool place to go. It's
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not a huge site, but it's it's interesting and this
might have been my first time there. I don't actually
remember going in it before this, but we're there at
the lighthouse, in the lightkeeper's cottage. They're at the actual
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house where the person and his family would have lived. Now,
for those of you that don't know, lighthouse keepers were
effectively part of like the coast Guards, so they would
have worn a similar uniform to the Navy, and I
would happen to be this day dressed in a Navy
uniform as a sea cadet. So in a house going
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up the stairs, something hits me and it's not like
a it's not like a force. It's almost as though
I walked through a field and it's it's a it's immediate,
like you know something's happened. And the best way I
can describe it is if you think of like I'm
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walking up the stairs. It feels like something is going
down the stairs so that it like almost passes through me,
and it's a tingly sort of sensation like almost like static.
But I specifically remember it coming, you know, I feel
it on my front and then I feel it on
my back, almost as though it's passing through me, and
I stopped. I'm like, WHOA, Okay, that was really weird.
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I turn around and there's nobody there except for my
by other colleagues, and they didn't see anything, they didn't
feel anything, but that was definitely a physical interaction, and
that was That's probably gonna be my first ghost encounter,
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or that at least I can remember right there.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Now, let me ask you a quick question. Is the
lighthouse known to have had paranormal activity? Are there stories
out there about ghosts and things like that.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yes, So the lighthouse has actually been on my radar
for quite a while. I've wanted to get out there,
and I had talked to some people at some point,
like a year or two ago, and asked him about it, like, hey,
you know, has anyone ever come out here and done
an investigation? And they're like no, but you know we
you know, we hear things that can get kind of
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creepy around here. And I haven't done a ton of research.
But if memory serves correct, I believe I remember that
there was a death that did happen on the property
and it was a guy who was on the business
end of a shotgun and it happened in the front yard,
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So you know, it could be that person or you know,
the the people who keep lights they're very dedicated to
doing that because if you know, if the light goes
out or something goes wrong, you know, then you know,
people and hundreds of millions of dollars of cargo are
are at stake. So it's a very you know, it's
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a very work heavy job. So I could imagine that
even if it's not something intelligent, that it would be
something residual, just for the deer amount of work that
goes in labor that goes into being a lighthouse keeper.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Okay, well, that that's that's pretty cool. I have not
I have never been in a lighthouse when I could,
and I occasionally get down to Brunswick. I would love
for you to take me there. Is that something that
the general public who can just pay and go in
or just go in?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's open to the public. I don't
think it is seven days a week, and I know
that whatever it says the closing time, about thirty minutes
before that is when they sell the last ticket because
they don't want you to get up to the top
of the lighthouse and then it's five o'clock and they
can't go home. So yeah, i'd definitely show you, show
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you around.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Well, that. That's that's great. What is the name of
that light house?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
It is the Saint Simon's Island Lighthouse.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Okay, everybody put that put that one on your to
do list. That sounds that sounds really great. Yeah, I
would love to go see that. All right, Annie, do
you have you have another ghost story for us before
we really get into the crypti and paranormal world.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah. So, uh, this next one, it's really two kind
of tied into one. It's the same phenomena. Uh, and
it shadow people. So fast forward.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Many something that is scary or potentially really scary when
you're talking about shadow people.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
My my my girlfriend at the time, who was uh
she was a USP a universal support person at a
nursing home. When I told her about this, she freaked
out because she's like, oh my god, you're going to
die people. You know when the old folks say they
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see these things, they usually turn up dead. I'm like,
calm down, I'm not he's going to be a fight
on its hands.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
If it thinks that's what's going down, that's a good thing. Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
So uh, the first accounter I have with these things
is so both of them are at work. The first
one I'm in high school or maybe just out of
high school. I'm helping my dad with his landscaping service,
and I'm blowing. I have a backpack blower on, I
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got my headphones on. I can't really hear much. And
we couldn't get around to cutting the grass at this
particular place what happens to be a church on Saturday,
and so we kind of went early Sunday morning because
we wanted to make sure the grass was cut before service.
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And we got there fairly early the sun I think
maybe it just started coming up. It was still kind
of dark out. I'm blowing off grass clippings and leaves
off the sidewalk or I'll not leave because this is
the summer. It'd be debris or dirt. And I get
the filing to turn around to look behind me, and there,
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reaching out with its right arm to almost grab my
left shoulder is a shadow person. I mean it is black,
like blacker than the darkness around it, and like I
can make out individual fingers of this thing, and it's
reaching out to me, and then like I see it,
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it registers and then it's gone, like just poof, And
I'm thinking to myself, holy cow, I'm like, I'm at
a church. That stuffin's supposed to happen at a church.
What in the world? And so this encounter happened, and
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then you know, fast forward, you know, about twenty thirteen,
twenty twelve. I graduated in nine, So fast forward to
like twenty thirteen. Somewhere in there, I'm at my new job,
or well another job, and I'm working security, and I'm
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working at the marina here in Brunswick. And you know,
part of my job is walking. I walk up and
down this marina all night long on the docks, and
the same thing, which, of course, as a security guard,
you know, I'm used to looking over my shoulder, you know,
making sure no one's gonna come up behind me, and
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so same thing. I just kind of like look over
my shoulder and they're this same solid black mass, got
its right arm out. I could see the fingers like
it's reaching to tap me on, was gonna tap me
on the left shoulder, And then again it was there.
I registered it, and then woof, it was gone.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
About how tall was this entity?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
So I'm five ' three, it would have been it
was a little taller than me. I don't think it
was more than six foot, so it would have been
somewhere between five five and six foot.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
All right, did you do you notice any particular smell.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I don't remember a smell. No, And I don't remember
any features. It was just it was solid black. And
so the church wasn't very well lit because they don't really,
I don't have lights at night. The marina I worked
at was well lit. They have plenty of lighting. But
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this thing was completely black. Like it was like Phanta
black or Vanta black or I say it it was.
It was dark.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
And you could not see through it. Correct.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Correct, it was entirely opaque.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Wow, never said anything? No sound?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Correct, no sound.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Have you ever heard of any other people in the
area having similar experiences?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I haven't heard of it. No, What do you.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Think the source of this entity was? If you just
had to give a good educated guess of what you think,
what would it be?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Well, I'm not really sure. There's there's I have kind
of two sides of me. On one side, you know,
there's there's people out there that they want to say, oh, well,
it was some kind of you know, waking sleep paralysis,
and it's like bro, I was on my feet walking,
I was wide awake, So it wasn't I don't think
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it was anything you know, conjured up by my mot well,
I don't want to use the word conjured, but I
don't think it was a construct of my mind where
it was like I'm I turn around expecting to see
something and then I see it. And while I can't
roll that out, I don't. I don't think that was
quite its Honestly, I couldn't tell you. It's just so
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weird that it would happen almost identical, you know, the
identical situation twice with several years in between, and the
fact that the first time it happened it was on
church ground just kind of blew me away because I
was like, wait a minute, this ain't supposed to happen,
you know, on holy ground or sanctified ground, but there
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it was. I didn't I didn't get a sense of
fear so much as it was a sense of more shock,
like Okay, there's this thing that's close to me and
it ain't supposed to be this close to me. So
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it's apprehension, I guess, more so than fear, Like I
don't felt I didn't feel like it was meaning to
harm me. I didn't get that general vibe. Now that
being said, you know, there's no telling what it would
have wanted to do, because you know, like I said,
it was reaching out and touched me, and it was close,
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like within arms literally within arm's reach.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
So what prompted it to vanish that second time? Did
you say something?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
No? With both both times, it was really I just
I turned around and my brain registered, as you know,
a silhouette of a person, the shoulders, the arm, the fingers. Uh,
And then it was just gone, like it it just
like blinked out of existence, or at least that it
blinked out of the visual spectrum, you know, if you
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want to say that this is where I just lost
visual right?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Did it have the general appearance of a human? In
other words, were the arms in the hands the right
proportions for a human?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yes. The only thing that I don't remember specifically are
the ears. I don't remember if it had ears, But
the head, the shoulder, the arm, elbow, fingers, all that
was was humanoid.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Did you get the sense that it had clothes on?
Like could you tell if there was a jacket on?
Or did you just see the silhouette of a person
whatever that means?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
H yeah, No, it was just a silhouette. There wasn't
any indication of like a collar or a cumf or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Okay, well, that's very very interesting. I mean, And was
that how near, say St. Simon's Island?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Was that? Uh? I mean, Brotherwick's not a really big place,
you could, Like, if you come off the causeway from St.
Simon's Island, you're probably no more than a couple miles
from the spot.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Oh okay, so maybe five five to eight minutes ten
minutes distance. Okay, very interesting. All right. I like that story.
I mean, I don't know if that I would have
enjoyed it that much had I been there. But that's
a great story, and now I'm glad we have it
registered and recorded here on Scary Cast. Well those are
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a couple of good stories. Now comes the big one.
You have got a local cryptid, I guess you would
call it. Tell us a little bit about it and
what you know and your experience, if any. And first
of all, what is the name of this cryptid?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
So this is called the Ultima Hawk. And when I
first heard about it, you know, it's got ha haa
in the name. So I just kind of wrote it
off and when I when I started getting into podcasting
and researching it cryptozoology more in depth, I came across
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this thing in some books and I'm like, oh, okay,
there are like there's a legit. There's a paper trail
behind this thing. It's not just something some person made
up to keep kids out of the you know, out
of the river. So yeah, it's called the Altimahaha. If
you come to Darien, they call it Alty for short,
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and it's it's a sea monster, river monster, however you
want to classify it. And it's got a record going back.
The earliest one is eighteen thirty. You have a Captain
Delano of the schooner Eagle and he sees a creature
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that he estimates is about seventy feet long. It's the
thickness of a barrel, and it has a head the
shape of an alligator. So he saw this thing and
he reported it to one of the newspapers in Savannah,
the Savannah Georgian newspaper at the time, and that's the
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first account of it. And then over the course of
the next you know, a couple hundred years, it comes
in and out of the public record, people seeing it.
Most of the stuff that you're going to be able
to find on it in print is going to come.
They're pretty much all the same accounts. My primary source
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has been Peach State Monsters by David Weatherley. He's got
a whole collection of book. But I found it in
his book. I found it in several others, And basically
what you have is some kind of creature that presumably
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lives in the ocean, and at times it will come
up the river or into the estuaries. Some people postulate
or theorize that it's coming into the estuaries to lay
its eggs, although there's really no evidence to say one
way or the other whether it would even lay eggs.
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Probably the best thing I can say is that whatever
it is, it's probably warm blooded. So it's not like
a dinosaur like people say, Look, you know Nassy's applesiosaur,
which is, you know, an aquatic dinosaur. This doesn't quite
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give off those characteristics. So it's a bit Although there
are some accounts that have it listed as right are large.
I mean that you know that first account there seventy
feet long. You know that that's that's a big that's
a big creature, A big creature. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
And the most recent account that I have said that
it was about the size of a small boat. So
I'm thinking, you know, something like a john boat or
a fishing boat. And it's seen near or around the
Altimaha River. Now, the Altimaha River is, if I'm not mistaking,
it's like the largest water. There's largest river in Georgia.
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It drains a lot. In fact, it is actually known
as the Mississippi River of Georgia. And it winds its
way branching off from a couple of the rivers, comes
down the fall line and then here, and then it
hits the and there's a lot of habitat here. There's
a lot of different animals. And of course, you know,
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one of the things that I want to try to
do is I want to read the accounts and then
I want to try to defunk them. There are accounts
where it says it has humps. So for instance, there's
one nineteen ninety five account that was taken actually kind
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of in the estuary. Was a gentleman, I want to say,
he was dropping off somebody to camp on one of
the smaller islands. The gentleman says that he saw, you know,
undulating humps, three of them, and that he estimated that
the creature was thirty feet long and it quickly submerged. Well,
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it's probably not a tree, but there are things that
could be. It could be he's For instance, there is
a clip on YouTube and I shared you one of
the clips. I think I actually might have shared you
the wrong one. So there's a guy, TD Parmel and
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he's got he's only got two videos on YouTube, and
both of these videos are from fourteen years ago. And
he's at fourteen George, which is another place that I'd
love to show you. I've been there many times. And
basically he's looking down a channel that leads toward the
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Altimaha River and there's something in the river, like there's
something in front of him, and I'm not entylly sure
what it is. It could be a really large fish.
But if you look at the video, like from one
side of the screen to the other side of the
screen is it's about two hundred feet across the channel
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is and from where he's at, roughly speaking, it's about
one hundred and twenty feet from where he's at to
where the object is. So you know, given that distance,
whatever it is has to be rather sizable now, it
could be several entities. In fact, when I was out
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there last summer trying to, you know, figure out measurements
and distances and whatnot, it was actually kind of cool
because I was there on the dock and all of
a sudden, I hear a noise and I'm like, what
in the world. Turn around and I'm looking and I'm listening,
and there were there were a couple of amenities just
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kind of mosy and by which, funnily enough, one of
the UH one of the reports is that when this
thing breathes, it gives off steam, so that that there
tells us it's probably warm blooded. So also probably not
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a pleasias or. But there's other ones that can't be
the bunk so easily. For instance, in UH in two
thousand and two, I have an anonymous account from a
tugboat captain.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
And there are tugboats in the area.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
That's a maya yeah, And this guy was, uh so,
so yeah, rouser kinds a port. It's not a very
big point. It's not like you know, Savannah or Jacksonville.
But we can we can dock a handful of of
large container ships. So so this tugboat guy says, uh.
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Suddenly and without warning, something large broke the surface immediately
in front of the tow boat. It was broaching the
surface similar to the way a dolphin does the head
than body than tail. I knew at once it was
unlike anything I had ever seen. It was about the
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size around as a large beach ball. It was dark brown,
almost black, maybe spotted with darker spots. It was long.
I remember thinking, when will I ever see the end
of this thing? The creature was estimated at twenty feet
long and was seen rising and submerging about two to
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three times. So this guy saw something coming up and
out of the water, and you know, you would figure
that something like this he would know what was out there.
He would know, Okay, that's a dolphin, which I've seen dolphins.
You know they have a dorsal fin. This person doesn't
describe a dorsal fin. There's another account from a place
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called Two Way Fish Camp, which is actually where this
guy was leaving from. He was actually towing a boat
from Two Way Fish Camp to the marina that I
used to work at where I saw the shadow person.
And this account from Two Way Fish Camp. If I
can find it here. Basically it said that something was
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creating a wake and it was big enough that it
rocked the docks there. I mean, the docks are floating docks.
But to create a wake that will be big enough
for that, you know, you're talking a lot of displacement.
So that's not amanite making making that happen. That's not
even a gator. You know, gators don't swim that fast.
They you know, faster than we can, but not enough
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to make a wake. It's going to rock boats in
a dock, So you know, it's it is very interesting.
And as to what it can be, I'm not sure.
Some of them I can say, Okay, this is probably amanite,
maybe a school ofmenites. But then there's ones where it's like, okay,
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well manatee don't make awake like that. And there are
big fish and there are there are river otters out
there in the Altamaha and a lot of people actually
have gone out there and then have gone missing. In
the Altimaha River. It can be quite a dangerous place.
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So and that's actually it's one of my ongoing research
projects right now, is keeping an eye on the area.
I did a blanket or not a blanket. I did
a library talk there last July, and actually I got
two accounts. Both of these accounts, or at least one
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of them was twenty twenty four. It was that same year.
In fact, it was only a week or two prior
to me doing the talk. And it was interesting because
this person her her account lined up pretty well with
the other gentleman. He never he never submitted anything, so
(44:22):
I can't really really give you what he said other
than to say that it was basically coming up the
river either during or preceding a storm. And so this
one lady, her and her fiance were leaving Darien, coming
to Brunswick, and it was raining, passing over the bridge,
(44:49):
the very last bridge, the one that separates McIntosh County
from from Glenn County, where again to a fish camp is.
They come over the bridge and they see something out
of their window and it's there in the water. And
this is the account where she said, you know, I
would suspect it was about the size of a small boat.
(45:13):
They get off the bridge, turn around, come back and
I don't see anymore. Now when in her account, the
way that she puts it, she doesn't she kind of
excludes the possibility that it might have submerged. So from
her perspective, had it stayed on the surface of the water,
(45:33):
there's no way that it would have been able to
get out of sight before they had turned around and
come back. But you know, if it had submerged, it
would have been out of sight. So there's really no
way of knowing what it was that she saw, But
there I do. I'm kind of have the hypothesis that
maybe this thing comes into the estuaries and the rivers
(45:56):
to get out get away from some of these storms.
That's one tidbit that I've kind of put together from
some recent accounts. So it's still being seen even to
this day.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
All right, are there any accounts of this thing back
in the early nineteen hundreds and earlier, or or are
all of these accounts from fairly recent twenty thirty forty
years ago?
Speaker 2 (46:29):
So a lot of them are Well I have to
like preface this by saying that some of these are unknowns.
We know the year or we know the decade, but
we don't know like who are you know where these
(46:52):
people were. It's just an account like, oh, yeah, some
boy scouts saw something in the nineteen forties or there's
one in the nineteen thirty five where some hunters saw
a quote giant snake, you know, and it makes its
way into the Cryptid Book, and it's contributed to Alty.
But the earliest one is eighteen thirty, and then we
(47:16):
get into the twenties. There's one for thirty five, forties,
fifty nine, seventy, seventies, eighty, there's a handful in the eighties,
and then there's a couple in the nineties, and then
(47:38):
we have some which not really sure where to put.
I'm fairly certain there's somewhere in the knots, so like
somewhere between two thousand and twenty ten. So it every
so often it'll peak up, like there's one pretty much
in every decade going back to you know, nineteen twenty.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
So you have some fairly regular sightings. That's that's very
interesting now, and you wonder, is this one animal that's
very old or is this an animal that spawns young
and these are young that grow up. That's that's one
(48:27):
question that you want to try to address. I don't
know if you can, but you know, there are a
lot of interesting aspects to look at when you're thinking
about these sea monsters. Or whatever. You know, are they
one the kind? Are they ancient or or are they propagating?
You know, are there more than one for them to propagate?
(48:52):
In general? I'm just saying in general, one would think
that there would need to be more than one. Who knows,
there's some species that can propagate by themselves. So I mean,
you just never know, and it's just a matter of
waiting and watching. So that sounds that's really interesting. It's
(49:16):
an entity that I haven't heard a lot of, but
I've heard about it, but for some reason, it doesn't
make its way up here to Charleston and Myrtle Beach.
It just doesn't. So that's really good that we had
this story. And it's certainly certainly something that when I
come down there to the area, I like to get
together with you and us go investigate and see if
(49:36):
we can get lucky. Maybe we can get a doubleheader
and find a find a shadow person and all tomahaha,
the same trip. That'd be great.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, sounds good to me. For so I have I've
considered the the reproduction problem, and that's really kind of
a thing that you really have to with most cryptids,
what I call the cotton eye Joe problem. You know,
(50:09):
where to come from, where to go sort of deal. Yeah,
and you know you bring up the point of reproduction,
and that is, you know, if you're going to talk,
you know, flesh and blood, which I know there are
people out there that yeah, flesh and blood one hundred percent,
and there's other people out there that are like, well,
maybe it comes from somewhere else, you know, if you're
(50:31):
starting from a flesh and blood perspective. Genetics is a
very interesting science, and when we don't really know much
about it, there are theories and their hypothesis that we
have that simply don't don't quite line up with what
(50:52):
happens in nature. And it's not really to the detriment.
I mean, it's not that I'm blaming scientists for this,
but you know that some people say that, you know,
science changes one death at a time, so as soon
as this person passes away, someone comes up with a
new theory and then it gets accepted. But with doctor
(51:14):
Jeff Melgrum, I attend to one of his talks and
he basically laid out that well, you know, there was
this one species of the gorillas that it almost went extinct.
There were like fifty some odd breeding pairs, and the
naturalists were very concerned about genetic diversity, and so when
they started testing these gorillas, they basically found that there
(51:38):
was some sort of switch in their genetics that had
been flipped for you know, you know in case of repopulation,
break glass, you know, sort of deal that had had
kept their genetic diversity up and had kept them from
basically being inbred. So what exactly a viable population would be,
(52:03):
It's really hard to pin to pinpoint. I would say
that more than likely there are more of these guys
out there somewhere. I mean, in Florida, there's humber with
the name of it is They call it Pinky, and
it's it's a similar river ocean monster sort of deal
(52:23):
that lives I want to see in the Saint Lawrence
River around Jacksonville. And you know that's only by car.
That's only about an hour hour and a half away
from from where we are and not very far at all. Really, yeah,
it's it's not very far, especially when you you know,
you look at some animals and their migratory trends, how
(52:45):
far they will go like literally halfway across the world,
you know, to spawn or to breed or to nest,
and so you know, I'm not I'm definitely not gonna
write it off that it's not genetically possible, because you know,
we don't know that much about what's in the ocean,
and we're discovering things all the time. I mean, you know,
(53:06):
look at the felacamps. You know, that's like that's the
example of cryptozoology. People are like, oh, yeah, it's a fossil.
And then you know, some guy in Africa brings it
up in a fishing net and he's like, wait a minute,
this thing's supposed to be extinct, you know. So it's
it's possible that there could be creatures out there that
(53:27):
we simply have it. We just haven't come across. We've
just missed them somehow, you know. But the point of
reproduction is one that I always It's always the thing
that I have sitting on my table looking at and
and sea monsters are like, there's a whole field. Like
you know, when people talk about cryptosology, they're like bigfoot,
(53:50):
Like cool, Well, you know, it's not just bigfoot here.
There are other things out there. But sea monsters have
been around with humanity for you know, ever since they
saw the ocean. So there's you know, there's no reason
to think that it's not possible that these things don't exist.
I mean even in the Bible or any that talks
(54:12):
about Leviathan, which you could interpret as some sort of
a sea monster or a sea dragon or a sea serpent.
So the tales of these sorts of things go back
a long long time.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Well, you know, it's funny you speak about the Bible
and you got to think about David and Goliath, and
so many people don't want to acknowledge the fact that
giants may have existed when they certainly did exist. And oh,
you know a lot of people don't know this, but Goliath,
I believe, had three brothers that were giants as well.
(54:48):
So I mean, you know, we don't we don't know,
and it's one of the wonderful mysteries of the earth.
We just got to keep looking for it and one
day we'll find the truth. Is one as we don't
have another great flood or whatever. I don't know, but
it's it's a it's a wonderful thing to do. And
I'm glad you're interested, and I'm glad. I'm glad to
(55:09):
have another friend down in that area, because that's that's
an area that I don't really get to a lot.
And and and I always thought it was beautiful and
I and I had heard of Aaltimaha, but I didn't
really know even as much as you told us today.
I mean, I think that's really really interesting. And so
maybe I can get down there sooner than later and
(55:31):
we can go try to see what what's what with that,
and maybe the shadow person and go to the I
don't know, go to the lighthouse. I think that would
be a lot of fun. So look, thank you very
much for being with us on Scary Cast. I hope
you will come back with some more stories. I hope you.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Will absolutely love to be here.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
Good because because I like to have people that have
new and interesting stories. I know Myrtle Beach doesn't have
so much, But Myrtle Beach does have one thing that
a lot of people don't know about. They have scout
ships UFO Scout ships, which it turned out to be
approximately a diameter of ten feet. Orange craft did sometimes
(56:16):
come up towards the shore and sometimes leave, and the
world famous author Bo Bryant he had an experience he
and a friend were paddling on a boat down there
in the Charleston area, and they turned around and there
was an Orange Scout ship just following them. He said,
they were terrified. He said it didn't matter how fast
they went or how slow they went, the thing kept
(56:38):
the distance, but it stayed with them. They just finally
turned around and just didn't even look, and by the
time they got to the dock, it was gone. But
you know, Myrtle Beach is not really an area that
has so much UFO sidings or cryptid sidings. It does
have a lot of ghosts. And we were subject to
(56:59):
the legends of Anne Bonnie, the female Pirate, and it's
really interesting stuff. Ralph Jerrold's a friend of mine. I've
got to get him on Scary Cast. Haven't had him
on it in a while, to get him to talk
about the legend of Anne Bonnie. He wrote the book
and it's very interesting. You know what we what we
can learn from him. So look, thanks a lot. We'll
(57:21):
have you on sooner than later here on Scary Cast,
and I'll talk to you soon. I'll give you a
quick call when we're when we're done to do it,
because I always do the quick call around with our guests,
and thank you very much. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
I'm happy to be here, happy to have talked to you,
with you all right, bye bye bye bye
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