September 15, 2025 • 62 mins
Join us for Hearth and Home! Executive Director Adam Southern will be telling us stories about The National Confederate Museum at Elm Springs! Get to know your museum and your HQ!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Speaker 3 (02:39):
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Speaker 5 (02:46):
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out of time, so we cat time.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Chance not now, Adam, you're looking special tonight.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
You look special every night, sir.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
I appreciate that I do look like a younger four track,
the version of you that just warmed Connor's heart warm
the cockles of my heart. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
I don't know I can say that on air. I
don't know if you can either what you know what
I can't say? I know what you need to say.
Damn brother, I don't believe I've meant that you would
lose his arts.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, before you kicked off.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
You's opinion express this broadcast, not necessarily those of the
SEVHGC Division, Dates, Camps or other subsidiaries, especially those of
its executive director. Only those of us were expressing them.
So if the executive director expresses them, then I guess
those are his views and opinions. But happy Monday. I
hope everybody is having a great start to their week.
Speaker 8 (04:24):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Just as a little reminder, gonna go ahead remind everybody
at the top of the show, we will not be
live next Monday. It's a holiday or some Oh God,
News has got his Adam card I thought you were
just going to show them to him, and like you
can look, but you cannot touch.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
This is like my pride prize position in this office.
And I have a national championship ring in this office. Yeah, no, no, no, no,
I do actually have a national championship ring. There you
go in all sports baseball huh yeah, yeah, I don't
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play baseball. Yeah, I am technically a baseball national champion.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
I'm just ready for Harrison to try to pronounce a
certain name tonight.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
No.
Speaker 7 (05:25):
I refuse to say that name.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Uh you should.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
I will say his name is Andrew.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
No, it's not.
Speaker 8 (05:35):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
Good evening, West Franklin, Good evening, Derek Glover, Hello, David Pope. Uh,
Army of Tennessee Councilman Roy Hudson, how are you chasing
and Lloyd? Good evening? Uh David Pope again? Doctor Sandy
Mitcham Hope y'all caught last week's episode with doctor Mitcham,
thank you for being Harrison's guest, because uh, I was
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at a city hall or city city meeting here dealing
with a heritage violation in Mississippi, so I could not
be in two places at once and needed to be
there for the for the heritage fight. So I do
apologize for not being on. Past Commander in Chief Chuck McMichael.
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Past Commander in Chief Paul Ling can get that grand
back letter on Lloyd ma from the Keller Camp in
Hot Springs, Arkansas. Robert from Arizona, Susy speaking this evening
because she was afraid that we would be talking crap
about her when she tuned in. Todd Owen's good to
see Todd. You really need to come back to National reunions.
(06:43):
We miss seeing you. And past Commander in Chief or
as Jason bouchars, he says, good evening, gents. I just
want to know where's Yeah, no kidding, I guess yeah,
clearly because he's not talking to me or Moose, that's
for sure. But uh yeah, so Adam, how are things
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in Tennessee this evening?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
It is a beautiful night in Tennessee. We didn't get
out of the seventies today, So I am sitting out
on the porch and joined the cigar And this is
the first time I've done chat from out here since
summer began, and just looking forward to being with y'all tonight.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Well, well, I'm I'm so glad that you're back. Is
your first episode since national reunion, that's right, anything special
you want to talk about that the membership needs to
know that you can divulge since the National Reunion. Of course,
like in the budget, now we can. We can have
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potentially staff to keep the museum open once we hire
those people, of course on weekends and anything else besides
jews are due and headquarters is busy with dews being due.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
That is the big thing right now, and along trying
to get everybody's dues processed. And if you have not
submit in reviews, you need to do so immediately because
the end of the month is the end of the
grace period, so anything received after September one we have
to assess a five dollar penalty to so get your
views in.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Yeah. Everybody has a duty to this organization is to
pay your dues in a timely manner. Please, Yeah, We're
only as strong as as as that.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
And yes, and command past commander in chief booth shears
is correct. Take care of your nine to ninety That,
of course is the document that we have to follow
that annually. Correct.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yes, every camp has to file one of those annually
to stay in good standing with national organization. So even
if your camp makes zero dollars during the year, you
need to list at least and then a easy nine
to ninety four with the irs and tell them you
did not make any.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Money, because what ends up happening is uh, your your
lack of doing that ends up affecting everybody.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
You know, with with with the nonprofit status. Absolutely so uh.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
How what what?
Speaker 6 (09:24):
I guess you're gonna talk. I haven't looked at anything
you sent in today. I was busy. I'm getting ready
to go to the beach uh next week, so I
have not had a chance to see what you have
sent in. I'm guessing you sent in some stuff about
the car show.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
We sent in a lot of stuff. Yeah, so the
car shows in there if y'all want to go ahead.
And I think Moose has been rocking and rolling with
the pictures getting them in order so yeah, he's ready.
I'm ready, they're they're in order. Yeah, So here's the
car show right here. We had probably one of our
best ones since we've been having the crews in at
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on Springs in July, and this is I think our
fifth one, fourth or fifth one we've had it on Springs.
It's called the Rebel Rouser. And so it's the third
Saturday in July. So if you have a classic car
and want to bring it to show with us, make
plans to be here the third Saturday in July. Or
if you just want to come and see some classic cars,
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it's a great time to come and see those cars
and also check out the museum and the house while
you're there as well. We had about seventy cars, sixty
five seventy cars before it started raining, and as soon
as that first rain drop hit, it's like everybody cleared
and just a few cars were left after that. But
luckily it didn't happen till around lunch time, so we
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had a good morning of showing cars. Vander Boshier says
seventy five cars were there, so he was working the
front gate, so he should know. I was inside working
in the gift shop. So I think in the air
conditioning is you're right? I mean, the being the executive director.
That's one of those.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
You can pass commander and chief out there smoking it down.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
And the keyword there is passed.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, true, true.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
But he did it while he was still commander in
chief two. So but anyway, uh a digress on that
at seventy five cars and the reason he licens worked
the gate those you can smoke cigars while you're doing that.
So maybe he had the right idea after all.
Speaker 8 (11:32):
Oh that is it?
Speaker 6 (11:33):
That is a good uh a good trade off. I
could I could just see him though, sitting out there,
you know, feet, little feet swinging off of the uh
off a stool with a little little baseball counter.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Now, the real question is how many cigars did you
smoke that day?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Jason?
Speaker 6 (11:52):
One for every car and not enough for every one
of them.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
What was cool this weekend? Not only we had the
car show that night during the day, but that night
we had a concert. And you can't really tell it
because of how big our yard is, but there's one
hundred and twenty people spread out across the yard there
listening to the two bands that came to perform that night,
and we had a lot of food trucks show up
that evening and some other vendors, so it was a
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real busy day for us. I think I left about
eleven o'clock that night, maybe a little bit later, but
it was worth it. We brought some people under our
property that haven't been there before, and that's what it's
all about.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Sorry, I'm still sharing everything out, so if I miss
a queue, just say my name. Hey, next picture, boom,
next picture.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
There we go. Who's this ugly fellow here? My wife
and I did the one twenty seven yard sail this year.
I'd like to share travels when I go out and about.
And we were in Gason, Alabama, and there is the
beautiful Emma Sanson monument there in Gatson, Alabama, and she
was the one who was responsible for helping General Forrest
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during Straight's raid. And it's live eight till excuse me,
May sixty three. Able Straight trying to get away from
General Forest best he can. He comes to Gatson in Alabama.
There's one bridge across the Black Creek there and Able
Straight gets across at first and burns it down. So
General Forrest gets to it, sees the bridge smoldering, and
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the Emma sens and tells him, hey, General, I know
where there's a place you can cross your men. I
see our caws walk across the creek all the time.
So she gets on General forest Horse right behind him
and they go and forward the creek and he's able
to catch up with Able Straight. Pretty much the next day,
Straight surrenders to General Farest. So she's a true heroine
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of Dixie and Gatson Alabama honored her with that beautiful monument.
Just glad to be able to see that.
Speaker 7 (14:09):
It is a very beautiful monument. And this next picture
does look familiar.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yeah you were there?
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Well, well really quickly before we talk about I'll talk
about this. Uh do you buy any dead people hair?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I didn't this year. Actually no, we didn't buy anything,
Ma Cob this year. My you know, I usually try
to find some dead people here. Didn't see me.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
I push it out of my mind. You're welcome that.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
That would be the room if you know Moose. Evertimes
Hall spend the night, we'll put him in the dead
hair room. So dead people hair room.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
You're lucky going there. I got a response to that.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Hey, hey, be thankful that Adam would be willing to
let you stay at his house.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
Oh no, I'm very thankful.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Would be willing to let you stay at her house.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
I think Kayla is just going to say yes so
she can smother me with a pillow. But then again,
apparently she and Adam are my parents.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Yeah. I almost included that picture tonight too, but oh
I wish you had. I didn't know if we wanted
to get into that or not, but yeah, yeah, send
it to me.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
And I have to uploaded the last picture we talked about. Uh,
we'll have to talk about that after we talk about this.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
But I was glad to honored to be invited to
the Carl and Nancy Ford UH Southern Education Conference in Jackson, Mississippi.
UH came down and spoke, spoke about the Southern Agrarians,
and uh this picture of me during my presentation. We
had a real good event, and uh, y'all can speak
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more to that if you want to. But I thought
it was a really good event. You'all had a great
lunch provided and good banana pudding, so all was well
with the world.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Yeah, whoever asked you to speak and that was a
real turd for making you read that again. But you
did sell out of everything that you brought from headquarters.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
So that's true. That sure it did, So that's that's good. Yeah,
it was.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
It was a good time. But we do appreciate you
coming down and and learning about these Southern or teaching
us about these Southern agrarians. There were a lot of
people that had never heard of them and had never
heard of Uh, what was my what was my head
going blank? Adam, yes, yes, and and and stuff like that.
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So it was a it was very very eye opening
and very interesting.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Thank you. I'm glad to come down there and do that,
and I always did to see our Mississippian patriots.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
It was certainly great to see our folks from Tennessee.
You did a great job. Kayla didn't kill Jason. We
all thought that that was going to be a major
problem going into that event. She did look like she
she thought about it. Okay. I noticed that Jason switched
seats after y'all got there. He went from sitting close
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to his wife, but when Kayla came in and sat
close to her, I noticed Jason just slowly like left
that area.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Smart man, smart man, smart man. Speaking of Jason.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Yeah, as you may know, if you've been to. Headquarters
were on the Civil War trail and our marker needed
replacement and Pasctmenergy Boucher's was the only person that could
fit underneath it, so he replaced it for us. Uh,
we had the insert and somebody had the forethought to
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order too when it was installed. So uh, we finally
found that after you know, once everything was moved out
of Springs and into the museum, everything's just a jumble.
But we finally found that insert placed it and vander
Bouchier's was good enough to put that in for so
want to thank you for doing that.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
He's a good little fella.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
I mean, I think he could have just walked underneath it.
I think he kind of sat down to try to
make it look like he was taller than he is,
but I think he can walk underneath it.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Personally. Oh, we've had a lot of good donations and
loans to the house. You know, we always talk about
the museum, but we have to remember Elm Springs too.
This is our original headquarters and this is what we
need to keep going and remember it as well. This
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parlor set started out at Elm Springs. Over the years.
It was just taken to South Carolina. And it's funny
how items end up in different places. But it ended
his journey back at Elm Springs. A lady who had
it in South Carolina contacted us and asked if we
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would like it back, and definitely we wanted it back.
So these two set tees are back in on Springs.
Those two what set teas.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Well, I'm not going to ask what is the set
tea because you're going to say something smart. Look, you
like those two things in the picture, but I guess
I guess.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Their small cow.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Okay, thank you, Adam.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yes, and we also have three original old paintings that
are of the time period. Right now we don't have
any original paintings on Springs, but now we do, so
these three have been put on long term loan to us.
This is Lucy McKie. Excuse me, this is not Lucy mckizie.
This is yes, it is. I'm sorry, uh, Lucy McKissick.
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She married Thomas Gibson of the Rock City Guards, so
she married a Confederate, So that will be a a
neat little piece to add the parlors. And this is
William Eugene Greenlaw and he lived in the mckissic house.
He married into the McKissick family. His house that he
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lived in was Ferguson Hall, which is where Van Dorn
was shot and killed by jealous husband. So uh, this
is depending on uh it's timeline. It may have been
in the house when General van Dorn was killed. So
all right, which would be a really cool piece to
add to our collection, which we have it in our
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collection now, But that would be a good story to
tell with that piece.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Yeah, I mean, no, no, no kidding, because Van Dorn's
story is very interesting. We've got a lady in Mississippi who.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Actually did a book and wrote wrote a little bit
about uh about van Dorn.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
This amazing story.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Mm hm.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Of course, we just finished shooting the Van Dorm movie
right brings too. And actually the room we're going to
put this portrait is the room where Van Dorm was
shot in the movie. So oh wow, good little tie in.
And yeah, Cayla's right, hare, So the next time you're
at Dell Springs, we got a lot for you to do.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
I'm looking forward to it, mainly because Cayla scares me.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Yeah, you and me both brother.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
And this is the last portrait. This is Fanny Harold
Greenlaw and we have the music box.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
This is of course her as a young girl. When
she got married, her husband gave her a music box,
and the music box came with a portrait. So uh,
two for the price of one on that one and
the price is free so he couldn't read it with
a stick.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
So funny thing. Uh, my female girlfriend, my female friend,
My girlfriend watches the show she's watching and she's got
her daughter with her and shut up. Anyway. Anyway, the
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daughter just asked, who was that on the show this week?
He kind of looks like Connor. So there's another one
that thinks we kind of look similar.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
When the funny thing is is I've had the same
picture for both of y'all on the STV chat website for.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
At least a year now. Nobody he's noticed it, and
no one's noticed.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
I've had more people comment on the pictures I put
up of Jason on the web site, but they don't
recognize that it's two different pictures for y'all, like.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
I think I think in the Adams picture of my
picture of my picture Adams.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
No, it's the picture of both of y'all after you
won the Robberie Lee Award war. Yeah, and I've used
the same picture for both of y'all. Didn't switch, it,
didn't nothing, didn't clarify who was witch. But everybody hasn't
said anything. But they'll say stuff about Jason's picture because
Jason changes his beard and hair length so much that
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he goes under multiple disguises, So they'll be like, that's
not Jason. And I'm like, are y'all not going to
look at the two pictures of the same people?
Speaker 6 (23:25):
But yeah, yeah, good times, good times.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Hey, And here's the big news. SCV Chat announced it
earlier in the show. Our budget passed and we had
the money and the budget to hire a part time
employee keep the museum open on Saturday. So we have
hired that employee. This past Saturday was his first day
by himself. So from now on, as long as we
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have our employee, our museum will be open on Saturday.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
So field trips.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
That's right. You don't have to look and see if
it will be open. We will be open unless it's
a major major holiday.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Is the start of college football season. Major holiday.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
We have continued our partnership with the Tennessee State Museum
and they brought down a few more items for us
in the past couple of weeks. And these epulets belonged
to Colonel John Goff Ballentine of the seventh Tennessee Cavalry
and you can see his photographs back there behind it.
He that's a wartime photo of him. He was rather
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a dude, uh, daked out in his uniform there and
chicken guts up his sleeve and then that's him. Post war,
he became a US representative representing Plaski, Tennessee and Giles
County that district. But so of course he survived the war.
And these are his epulets.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Hmmm, fantastic, that's cool. Where's that in relation to?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (25:13):
In the actual museum In case anybody goes this Saturday
and wants to take take a gander.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
If you're walking down the center aisle, these are one
of the cases facing the center isle that lead greatly
underneath the stained glass window. Okay, so another item from
the Tennessee State Museum. This is an Adams revolver made
in England and it belonged to Lieutenant William M. Sterrett
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of the fourteenth Virginia Calvary, which is from Rockbridge, Virginia.
So an a n V item that we're adding to
adding to the collection. And he also uh had an
infield that he sought off for use in the calvary,
and I think it may be the next photograph. If not,
should be the infield, you said, the infield, yeah, uhh.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
So it's cut off. As you can tell in the photograph.
It's a lot shorter than most infields would be. But
he's on a horse, so it made it easier for
him to carry with him in the go ahead.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
I was just gonna say, I just wondered how that
would have effected the rifling in it. I mean, is
it's still I guess it would still be rifled all
the way to the.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
To the breach mm hmm it should be, Yeah, I
wouldn't have the benefit of traveling the whole barrel. Of course.
Of course. X item is the saber. The first glance,
I thought this was just an old wrist breaker, but
it is uh uh from the Confederate State's Armory in Keenansville,
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North Carolina. So this is a National Confederate made saber,
but is modeled after the old cavalry style sabers. The
local guards a little bit different. Yeah, I may not
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know my flowers, but I knew my swords when I
looked at them, that's right. So the next one that
we have on loan is a two volume set of
Hardy's Tactics. This is an original. I think this was
printed in eighteen fifty five. I'm not gonna swear to that,
but I think that's No. Fifty nine. It was published
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in fifty nine, so just before the war. But this
is of course the we go to tactical manual that
helped train soldiers on both sides during the war. And
General Hardy, of course, was a core commander in the
Confederate Army. This little shoe, and I mean it's little.
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I mean it's uh, probably Jasons. I'm not gonna say
that it is, but uh, it's about five inches, looks
like a size five maybe a little bitty shoe. And
it was picked up off of the battlefield in Murphysboro, Tennessee,
right after the battle, and it was given to the
Tennessee State Museum a number of years ago. But it's
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a good example of a shoe that was probably worn
by a Confederate.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Wow, I was looking at the number of islets on it,
and it's three so there's no way to evenly easily tell.
Easier way to tell.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah, uh, this is a really neat piece. And sorry
for the bad picture. You can't really tell much detail
on it, but it's a it's a carved ring of
Captain Richard Compton who was captured take into where was
he taken to.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Johnson's Island?
Speaker 4 (29:09):
He was taking of Johnson Island And while he was there,
of course, nothing to do, he takes a button off
of his coat and he cars a ring. God of it.
If you're able to see the ring in person. In
the center, it's clasped hands and on either side of
the hands he has his initials or on one side
and Sea on the other. And the back is a
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break down the center. I guess so he could wear
it and be able to size it a little bit better.
But a really cool piece. And we can consider this
trench art, but prison art, I guess we'll call it.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Yeah, well, it's kind of along the same sentiments.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
That is interesting.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
Hmm. If you want to see it more clearly, visit
the National Confederate Museum.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
That's right, Yeah, on Saturday, you can come on Saturday yeah,
c s A A C s A belt bubble. This
came from the the Atlanta Depot or Atlanta Arsenal. Yeah,
it's kind of a common belt buckle that you might
see it shows, but hey, it's the first one farm museum. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
Now zep brass or is it one of the Pewter ones?
Speaker 4 (30:23):
It's brass mm hmm. Yeah. And some of those brass
and molds were really bad. I mean you could really
because they were all sand cast and you could really
uh see how poorous they were. But this was a
really good cast and not very poors at all.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Hm.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
And this is one of my favorite pieces for sure.
This was Felix.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
So I was gonna try to get Harrison to pronounce
that name. Felix is Zola Kaufer.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Here you go.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
So, yeah, I got it down, pap.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
So this was not the actual sword he had with
him when he was killed. He was the first Confederate
general killed in the Western theater in the war, and
he was killed at Mills Springs, Kentucky or some people
caught Fishing Creek that's where he was killed. He was
wearing The pictures do not do it justice, but he
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was wearing kind of a white frock coat. He was
standing out like a so they knew what they were
shooting at when they shot him, and of course killed
there on the battlefield in Kentucky. They took him to
Old Nashville Cemetery. That's where he's interred today. But he
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was from Murray County, Tennessee, so just about ten minutes
from our museum is where he was born. And we
think this might be a pre war sword that was
given to him when he joined Confederate Service.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
Yeah, because we were texting about it earlier and it
looks like like the model I think eighteen forty light
artillery saber, just from the knuckle guard and the curve
of the.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Curve of the blade.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
You do know your sabers, Hey, I like edged weapons.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
And the tree that he was killed under has long
been since called the Zalid tree, and I think the
tree has now fallen down, but here is a piece
of the Zalid tree. This came to us a few
months back, and once we got the tree, the sword
came along. And the sword is on one from the
Tennessee State Museum. And have a nice little collection of
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Zola KOFV. For items.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
Now.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
The next item is a CD Verer cabinet card of
its original showing General Zolokov.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
Oh wow, I can't wait. It's it's actually been a
hot minute since I haven't had anything to do and
actually been able to go tour the museum. I can't
wait to do that, as well as tour that has
been promised for four years at ELM Springs.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Hey, won't make that happen while you're moving furniture, how about.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
Pivot? Now?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Look to your right, and the last Solokauf for item
is in the engraving that came from I think the
Leslie's American History or History of the War, showing the
death of Zolakoff and a nice little illustration. Now, well
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nice as far as murder scenes go, but a nice
little illustration depicting that. Well, this would be a good
place to pause if you all want to take a
commercial break.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
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We'll be right back after this break.
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Speaker 9 (35:57):
There is a place in the rolling farmland of southern
Middle Tennessee, A home constructed in eighteen thirty seven, nearly
lost to the ravages of war, saved by a servant
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and a Confederate general. A place where families loved and lost.
If walls could talk, what stories could be told. If
a place a home can feel love, lost, pain. Surely
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this is one of those places. Nearby is a more
recent structure, and inside are the stories of heroes and heroines,
stories of battles won and lost, stories of sacrifices made
by the people of its native soil. A place that
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will tell the true and complete story of the Southland
and the war fought for its freedom, from the causes
that led to the conflict, to the modern day struggles
to protect Southern history. Historic Elm Springs and the Confederate
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Museum at Elm Springs are the general headquarters for the
Sons of Confederate Veterans, a place where the story of
the Southland and its historic struggle is preserved and told.
Come and discover your history.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Now open on Saturdays.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Before we get back into the pictures, I've been going
through the chat and pulling some comments and one member.
I think it might have been a past commander. Chief Chapman.
Michael asked if our new employee was an SEV member,
and he is. He's a member of the Dealer Judge
Camp in Cookeville, Tennessee. And his name is Bentley. So
if you come on Saturday, tell Bentley. Hey, tell him,
(38:23):
Goober says hey, and somebody. I also want to know
if Jason was a paid employee. No, Jason's not a
paid employee. He just volunteers a lot. So if you
want to volunteer, we can put you to work to
come and see me.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
And Jason also wanted to let everybody know it sometimes
comes in handy being a trolled.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
I wouldn't call you a troll. I might call you
a trocolo dyte, but no, never a troll.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
Yeah. They usually are ugly any billy goats.
Speaker 8 (38:58):
More.
Speaker 6 (39:00):
They hide under bridges and answer questions in a series
of three, or ask questions in a series of three.
Next picture, please, I know it's not one second.
Speaker 7 (39:18):
You're good.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
There there it is, There we go again. Not the
greatest picture. I'm working on getting things into cases this week.
Last week was all about doing grants and I finished
the grants. So now I'm working on filling display cases
and this is a really neat piece, and I imagine
Mississippi fellas might really like this too. Of course, Jefferson
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Davidson died in Tell me what year he died, Moose.
Speaker 7 (39:45):
Eighteen eighty eight.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
I think you're right, it might be eighteen eighty nine,
but he passed away eighteen eighty nine. They buried him
in New Orleans. Four years later they decided that want
Mss Verena decides he wants him to be interred in
Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond, Virginia. So he has this huge
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funeral train that takes him from New Orleans to Richmond,
and every large city, pretty much every large city, they
would take him out and put his body in state somewhere.
And one such places was in Montgomery, of course, where
he was first sworn in as President of the Confederacy.
And these medals of the medal and the ribbon are
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from that funeral procession. I guess Confederate veterans were probably
wearing these. Those in attendants could wear these, so that's
what those are on the bottom. The top is from
his funeral wagon. I forget the fancy name for that.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
Waterfrack. What that catafract?
Speaker 4 (40:59):
I think, Yeah, there you go, catifalk, Yeah, the catlefaul.
There you go. And so that is fabric from his
catlefalk when they took him through Montgomery. And the next
image is a photo of the catafault, so very very similar,
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but very different from the one you have on display
at both WAH. We got the original, the original, but
it was also used in New Orleans, so I read
when they disinterred him, So it was used twice. And
this was the one they used in Montgomery. And this
is the only image I can find of this reinterment
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ceremony that they had, so a very rare photograph. And
the photographer was H. P. Trestler in Montgomery, and his
studio was on Dexter Avenue and that was the same
street that their own right there, Dexter Avenue. Take him
to the State House. Mhmm.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
Let me get a spoon.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
It's a spoon, absolutely, but it's a spoon that belonged
to Jefferson Davis. All these next items that I'm showing
come from Jefferson Davis's estate and they're all on long
term Museum by Tennessee and patriot Mike Dunn. So this
is a Victorian airspoon sterling silver has Easter on it,
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but on the finial of the spoon you can see
the initial D for Davis. And it's in a really
old box. This is an antebellum Arab box that was
from Memphis a silver maker there. So cool Davis family,
peace to have. And this is a I'm sorry I
(43:00):
sent it to you upside down, but it says Jay
Davis on it. And this was found on the lot
where Jefferson Davis's home stood in Memphis, Tennessee, when he
lived in Memphis for a short while. M This came
along with part of Mike Dunn's loan to us. And
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what's the next time. A lot of books came with
this too. I don't know we'll get to any of
those today, but probably later on in the show we'll
show you some of the books, many of them signed
by members of the Davis family.
Speaker 6 (43:33):
Yeah. I did not realize until talking to Mike at
National Reunion how big of a Davis guy he is.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
I think we're all Davis guys because we only had
one president. There were a lot of generals, but one president. Yeah,
Davis lingams very very large in our history. But Mike
really lucked up. This kind of goes to show us
that every interaction we have can lead to something for
our museum or for our organization. He met this lady
(44:09):
online and she was trying to sell something through Facebook marketplace,
and he can and said, hey, I like this picture
you have. Do you have anything else? And she said, yeah,
I have this, and I have this, I have this,
She's a Davis to send it, and she's selling items
from the Davis family. So let's see what else do
(44:33):
we have there, moose. So this is from Louisiana for
our Louisiana com patriots watching tonight. One of our compatriots
in Louisiana, David White, has loaned this to the museum,
and along with a companion piece, this is a bill
of sale for slave slaves. Actually, But then when you
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go to the next item that we have a picture for,
this is the insurance policy for the said slaves. And
notice the insurance company still in operation today, still has
their headquarters in Hertford, Connecticut. At the insurance company, they
were still only slave insurance policies.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
Well, you mean to tell me that the North profited
over the institutional slavery, but the South is the one
that gets all the blame.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Pork absolutely. So that's why these items are so important
to our collection because they're going to be able to
show that while the South exactly what you just said,
While the South gets blamed for slavery, the North was
profiting off of the institution. Because the name of the
slave trader that was on that bill of sale, guess
(45:43):
where he was born? Pennsylvania. Oh so when the war's over,
he goes back to Pennsylvania pretty as you please, with
a pocket full of money.
Speaker 6 (45:56):
Shocked, I tell you so.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
Well. Be these are already in a cap A museum,
but will be uh trying to put some stories with
those pretty soon.
Speaker 6 (46:14):
Hey, changing subjects, but not changing subjects. So the Davis
stuff from the Montgomery funeral, is that going to go
by the death mask?
Speaker 4 (46:25):
Yes, we already have it in the case. Good. So
there's a huge Davis collection right there. Now. Not only
do we have the Davis desk mass from both Wild Loan,
we have his rocking share that was from his Memphis home.
We have a silver Confederate seal that belonged to Verena Davis.
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We have his portrait that was painted by Tennessee artists.
It's on one from the Tennessee State Museum. And we
have a wooden bowl turned out of wood from his
site and that's in a display case. And we're adding
all these Davis family items that Mike Done has loaned
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to us, so we'll have a pretty good Davis collection
right there in that one area. And just outside the
this display case is his monument.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (47:21):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
And these are some newspapers that came in with the
Mike dunk collection and uh, this is the one that
talks about uh Verena Davis's death in New York, and
then I think there's a second one that talks about ya.
So this is a an eighteen sixty two paper that
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has the inaugural address of President Davis.
Speaker 6 (47:52):
M hmm.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (47:54):
And that's and that's not his because because everybody thinks
of the Montgomery inauguration, they don't think about the inauguration
because Montgomery was you know, provincial or yeah, provincial president.
Speaker 6 (48:07):
They don't think about the actual February of sixty two
when he was president president.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Correct, ye. So it's kind of rare to have a
Confederate newspaper at all now, so right, so just to
have one at all is something. But this one has
inaugural dress President Davis, which makes it extra special, and
a bail that came with the collection. It was recovered
(48:35):
from the Ohio River from a Confederate ship. Now the
name of the Confederate ship is not given with the bail,
so I've still had some research to do on this one.
That's a vail has a beautiful tolld to it. I
guess you would call it. But it's just I want
to every time I walk by, I want to ring it.
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So I had to put that in a case I
can control myself. And these are some of the books.
This is a set written by Verena Davis about President Davis,
and it is signed not by Verena inside, but it's
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signed by uh Joel Hayes.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
This is an inscription for another book that we have here.
And there's a signed by President Davis.
Speaker 7 (49:29):
We'll find it.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
We'll find it. I may not have taken a picture
of it, actually, But there's another one that's signed by V.
Jefferson Davis, which is how Verena signed her name as
a widow m and so I may not have even
taken a picture of the inscription, but it's signed by
one of the Hayes children to the Jefferson Davis's grandson, William.
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So really first edition book, but they signed it and
described the book in nineteen seventeen into the twentieth century.
The other books that were included, I think, yeah, this
one is really cool. This was the story that came
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along with it, said that a servant of the Confederate
White House in Richmond saved this book from being destroyed
by the Federal army as they came into town. That
was actually used by the Secretary of War Cooper. And
that's a CDV of Cooper on top. Pretty neat. And
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that's the one that actually has Jefferson Davis's signature in
it as well.
Speaker 7 (50:40):
Boom perfect.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
Hey there we go.
Speaker 6 (50:45):
You gotta figure it out, you know, I try.
Speaker 7 (50:49):
I do. Here's the next book.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
And this was I was really cusse because this has
nothing to do with the war. Bob. There was a
post war governor of Tennessee. And inside is the inscription
that says V. Jefferson Davis. So this was given to
Verena Davis or at least belonged to her library, and
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it says I think William Davis Hayes also signed it,
which is Jefferson Davis's grandson. Yeah. And the next one,
this is a book of poetry. And I really have
some work to do on this, and somebody that has
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time to research this if you want to. I want
to know who William E. Lane is because it says
it came from the library of jeff Davis in eighteen
sixty three. So was Willim E. Lane a Yankee that
stole this from Jefferson Davis's library or how did he?
I'm into possession of it.
Speaker 6 (52:01):
So well, I'm willing to bet that because you know,
Vicksburg fell and that's where President Davis was from. Uh,
the Federals did occupy, So I'm willing about it did
come from Briarfield.
Speaker 4 (52:12):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of what I'm thinking too.
So I'd like to know if we and me Lane
was a Yankee soldier, and we'll find out here. And
this was a really nice book. Miss Snyder. Missus Snyder
(52:32):
was an author of post uh postwar Nashville. She wrote
a number of books about the war, and she addressed
this one to Jefferson Davis uh as she gifted her
book to him. This was I think a book called
My scrap Book, And of course she was from Nashville
and got this to President Davis. But another cool Jefferson
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Davis Peace to add to that case. Yeah, Commander Hurley
as soon as he was finished with the reunion in Houston,
he and his wife came up to see us at
the museum a few weeks ago and they brought us,
I think thirteen flags that were from the Texas UCV,
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and one of them has been beautifully conserved as you
can see in the nice case there, and the rest
are in those archival boxes and ones rolled up there
to the right. But thirteen Confederate battle flags. And that's
the really for us. And Commander Hurley commented on this,
(53:45):
and I want to echo what he said. A lot
of us argue about the use of the battle flag.
I love the battle flag, but some people say, you know,
why don't we change to the first national flag or
change to this flag. These are UCV flags, and all
of them are are the Saint Andrew's Cross, all of
them are the battle flag. So that's the flag that
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the veterans themselves are meeting under so why should we
change that?
Speaker 8 (54:10):
Right?
Speaker 6 (54:11):
And there was a video that we debunked a couple
of months ago that dealt with that that actually the
guy says an outright lost any of the veterans never
used the flag after the war. And yet you know
he flips two seconds later to a picture of a
veteran holding the flag at a reunion. Oh, he was
(54:32):
a genius.
Speaker 7 (54:35):
And this is our last photo of the evening at him.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
Oh is it okay?
Speaker 8 (54:42):
We have.
Speaker 4 (54:44):
All right? This is Eric Pravetti and Tennessee compatriot Rich Garcia.
And Rich Garcia brought to us another reunion flag. This
one is from the nineteen thirty four Chattanooga reunion. And
he also brought at an original UCV program and I
think the program was from an earlier reunion, maybe nineteen thirty,
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maybe even be earlier than that. But two great pieces
that were happy to add to our collection. These were
given to rich Garcia to bring to our museum, and
he met Eric Pravetti up there and the rest is history.
Now they're in our museum, in our collection, and we'll
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be happy to display them.
Speaker 6 (55:33):
Yeah, didn't didn't Rich meet the guy at a recruiting event.
Speaker 4 (55:38):
He did absolutely, So that goes to show that, you know,
that's whe're making these connections, is getting their name out
there and meeting people. It's so important because you never
know what that's going to lead to. I like Mike done,
just meeting somebody on Facebook marketplace and they say, you
know we have all these items. Yeah, meeting somebody at
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a recruiting booth and the next thing, you know, we
have two great items for our museums. So right, you know,
it's all about making those connections. And I think the
majority of people, that silent majority that we always talk about,
they're in favor of us, They're in favor by the
museum and what we're trying to do.
Speaker 6 (56:18):
So yeah, and it's just you know, be out there
and be in your communities and do stuff.
Speaker 4 (56:24):
Amen.
Speaker 7 (56:26):
Amen, Well, Adam, do you have anything else you want
to say from the headquarters?
Speaker 4 (56:35):
Come see me. That's the only thing right now. I've
just come to see it. We're open Monday through Saturday.
Speaker 6 (56:45):
I'm trying to think of what else I can give
you time to think.
Speaker 7 (56:50):
I have something to loaded and ready.
Speaker 6 (56:53):
Yeah, let's not watch the mouse Mania.
Speaker 7 (56:56):
Oh that's just tragic. Man, come on now, okay, should.
Speaker 10 (57:08):
Have headed down by now, but we're talking away.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
They gotta go.
Speaker 10 (57:16):
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Speaker 2 (57:20):
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Speaker 10 (57:25):
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Speaker 7 (57:28):
You.
Speaker 10 (57:31):
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you gone?
Speaker 2 (57:42):
No?
Speaker 3 (57:42):
What you want to go?
Speaker 8 (57:44):
Don't see it like you do see it? Bab sex
on by because I wanted to be king something.
Speaker 7 (57:54):
Now I'll see to wear the rain. That's not the
song I picked.
Speaker 6 (58:03):
Yeah, I apologize, Yeah, we apologize.
Speaker 7 (58:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (58:13):
Always always check before you up and decide to upload
something that wasn't what it was playing when I listened
to it. Uh that's interesting, uh huh uh yeah. All right,
Well we're gonna go ahead and kill the episode here.
Hope everybody's had a great night. Remember to tune in.
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Is Jason starting his new show tomorrow?
Speaker 7 (58:37):
I don't think so, but we do have a rerun scheduled,
uh of when Doctor Mitcham talked about generals from Louisiana,
So check that out tomorrow and we'll get in touch
with Jason and figure out when. Uh they're starting on that.
Speaker 6 (58:56):
Goody Okay. Also, remember on Wednesday, you have look around Florida.
With Sean McFall uh and then on Thursday, maybe they'll
be looking around the Confederation news. If I don't kill
(59:19):
him first.
Speaker 7 (59:21):
Yeah, that's a new one. I got nothing on that one.
Speaker 4 (59:25):
Yeah yeah answer. Tennessee Tuesday begins next.
Speaker 7 (59:30):
Month, next month, Okay, okay, I hope y'all don't have
that music.
Speaker 6 (59:35):
I hope you don't have that music.
Speaker 4 (59:41):
Anyway.
Speaker 7 (59:45):
M hm.
Speaker 6 (59:51):
Hi, Tayla, I'm gonna kill your son, sad.
Speaker 4 (59:59):
We talked about this.
Speaker 6 (01:00:02):
So so for those that don't know well at National Union,
the photographer asked Kayla and Adam if Harrison was their son,
and it was a big fun joke. Hmmm mmm yeah yeah,
(01:00:26):
no Kidden, chuck back, no Kidden. All right, well, I'll
understand if y'all don't want to join Patreon.
Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Hey baby, if we do more stuff like this, we'll
get a reach a new audience who knows yea.
Speaker 7 (01:00:48):
Hey, yeah, okay, bye, I'm not to edit that out.
Thank you to our patre Yeah, no foodmar.
Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:33):
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Speaker 4 (02:32):
Acrosst dis and mans and you send me Liot, send.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
The champing man, lack of Fred, train rolling bringing truth.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Bombs down, the NIH, the moding the Southland water Way
out of time, so we cat time.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Chance not now, Adam, you're looking special tonight.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
You look special every night, sir.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
I appreciate that I do look like a younger four track,
the version of you that just warmed Connor's heart warm
the cockles of my heart. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
I don't know I can say that on air. I
don't know if you can either what you know what
I can't say? I know what you need to say.
Damn brother, I don't believe I've meant that you would
lose his arts.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, before you kicked off.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
You's opinion express this broadcast, not necessarily those of the
SEVHGC Division, Dates, Camps or other subsidiaries, especially those of
its executive director. Only those of us were expressing them.
So if the executive director expresses them, then I guess
those are his views and opinions. But happy Monday. I
hope everybody is having a great start to their week.
Speaker 8 (04:24):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Just as a little reminder, gonna go ahead remind everybody
at the top of the show, we will not be
live next Monday. It's a holiday or some Oh God,
News has got his Adam card I thought you were
just going to show them to him, and like you
can look, but you cannot touch.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
This is like my pride prize position in this office.
And I have a national championship ring in this office. Yeah, no, no, no, no,
I do actually have a national championship ring. There you
go in all sports baseball huh yeah, yeah, I don't
(05:08):
play baseball. Yeah, I am technically a baseball national champion.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
I'm just ready for Harrison to try to pronounce a
certain name tonight.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
No.
Speaker 7 (05:25):
I refuse to say that name.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
Uh you should.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
I will say his name is Andrew.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
No, it's not.
Speaker 8 (05:35):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
Good evening, West Franklin, Good evening, Derek Glover, Hello, David Pope. Uh,
Army of Tennessee Councilman Roy Hudson, how are you chasing
and Lloyd? Good evening? Uh David Pope again? Doctor Sandy
Mitcham Hope y'all caught last week's episode with doctor Mitcham,
thank you for being Harrison's guest, because uh, I was
(05:56):
at a city hall or city city meeting here dealing
with a heritage violation in Mississippi, so I could not
be in two places at once and needed to be
there for the for the heritage fight. So I do
apologize for not being on. Past Commander in Chief Chuck McMichael.
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Past Commander in Chief Paul Ling can get that grand
back letter on Lloyd ma from the Keller Camp in
Hot Springs, Arkansas. Robert from Arizona, Susy speaking this evening
because she was afraid that we would be talking crap
about her when she tuned in. Todd Owen's good to
see Todd. You really need to come back to National reunions.
(06:43):
We miss seeing you. And past Commander in Chief or
as Jason bouchars, he says, good evening, gents. I just
want to know where's Yeah, no kidding, I guess yeah,
clearly because he's not talking to me or Moose, that's
for sure. But uh yeah, so Adam, how are things
(07:08):
in Tennessee this evening?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
It is a beautiful night in Tennessee. We didn't get
out of the seventies today, So I am sitting out
on the porch and joined the cigar And this is
the first time I've done chat from out here since
summer began, and just looking forward to being with y'all tonight.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Well, well, I'm I'm so glad that you're back. Is
your first episode since national reunion, that's right, anything special
you want to talk about that the membership needs to
know that you can divulge since the National Reunion. Of course,
like in the budget, now we can. We can have
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potentially staff to keep the museum open once we hire
those people, of course on weekends and anything else besides
jews are due and headquarters is busy with dews being due.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
That is the big thing right now, and along trying
to get everybody's dues processed. And if you have not
submit in reviews, you need to do so immediately because
the end of the month is the end of the
grace period, so anything received after September one we have
to assess a five dollar penalty to so get your
views in.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Yeah. Everybody has a duty to this organization is to
pay your dues in a timely manner. Please, Yeah, We're
only as strong as as as that.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
And yes, and command past commander in chief booth shears
is correct. Take care of your nine to ninety That,
of course is the document that we have to follow
that annually. Correct.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yes, every camp has to file one of those annually
to stay in good standing with national organization. So even
if your camp makes zero dollars during the year, you
need to list at least and then a easy nine
to ninety four with the irs and tell them you
did not make any.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Money, because what ends up happening is uh, your your
lack of doing that ends up affecting everybody.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
You know, with with with the nonprofit status. Absolutely so uh.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
How what what?
Speaker 6 (09:24):
I guess you're gonna talk. I haven't looked at anything
you sent in today. I was busy. I'm getting ready
to go to the beach uh next week, so I
have not had a chance to see what you have
sent in. I'm guessing you sent in some stuff about
the car show.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
We sent in a lot of stuff. Yeah, so the
car shows in there if y'all want to go ahead.
And I think Moose has been rocking and rolling with
the pictures getting them in order so yeah, he's ready.
I'm ready, they're they're in order. Yeah, So here's the
car show right here. We had probably one of our
best ones since we've been having the crews in at
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on Springs in July, and this is I think our
fifth one, fourth or fifth one we've had it on Springs.
It's called the Rebel Rouser. And so it's the third
Saturday in July. So if you have a classic car
and want to bring it to show with us, make
plans to be here the third Saturday in July. Or
if you just want to come and see some classic cars,
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it's a great time to come and see those cars
and also check out the museum and the house while
you're there as well. We had about seventy cars, sixty
five seventy cars before it started raining, and as soon
as that first rain drop hit, it's like everybody cleared
and just a few cars were left after that. But
luckily it didn't happen till around lunch time, so we
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had a good morning of showing cars. Vander Boshier says
seventy five cars were there, so he was working the
front gate, so he should know. I was inside working
in the gift shop. So I think in the air
conditioning is you're right? I mean, the being the executive director.
That's one of those.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
You can pass commander and chief out there smoking it down.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
And the keyword there is passed.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, true, true.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
But he did it while he was still commander in
chief two. So but anyway, uh a digress on that
at seventy five cars and the reason he licens worked
the gate those you can smoke cigars while you're doing that.
So maybe he had the right idea after all.
Speaker 8 (11:32):
Oh that is it?
Speaker 6 (11:33):
That is a good uh a good trade off. I
could I could just see him though, sitting out there,
you know, feet, little feet swinging off of the uh
off a stool with a little little baseball counter.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Now, the real question is how many cigars did you
smoke that day?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Jason?
Speaker 6 (11:52):
One for every car and not enough for every one
of them.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
What was cool this weekend? Not only we had the
car show that night during the day, but that night
we had a concert. And you can't really tell it
because of how big our yard is, but there's one
hundred and twenty people spread out across the yard there
listening to the two bands that came to perform that night,
and we had a lot of food trucks show up
that evening and some other vendors, so it was a
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real busy day for us. I think I left about
eleven o'clock that night, maybe a little bit later, but
it was worth it. We brought some people under our
property that haven't been there before, and that's what it's
all about.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Sorry, I'm still sharing everything out, so if I miss
a queue, just say my name. Hey, next picture, boom,
next picture.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
There we go. Who's this ugly fellow here? My wife
and I did the one twenty seven yard sail this year.
I'd like to share travels when I go out and about.
And we were in Gason, Alabama, and there is the
beautiful Emma Sanson monument there in Gatson, Alabama, and she
was the one who was responsible for helping General Forrest
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during Straight's raid. And it's live eight till excuse me,
May sixty three. Able Straight trying to get away from
General Forest best he can. He comes to Gatson in Alabama.
There's one bridge across the Black Creek there and Able
Straight gets across at first and burns it down. So
General Forrest gets to it, sees the bridge smoldering, and
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the Emma sens and tells him, hey, General, I know
where there's a place you can cross your men. I
see our caws walk across the creek all the time.
So she gets on General forest Horse right behind him
and they go and forward the creek and he's able
to catch up with Able Straight. Pretty much the next day,
Straight surrenders to General Farest. So she's a true heroine
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of Dixie and Gatson Alabama honored her with that beautiful monument.
Just glad to be able to see that.
Speaker 7 (14:09):
It is a very beautiful monument. And this next picture
does look familiar.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yeah you were there?
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Well, well really quickly before we talk about I'll talk
about this. Uh do you buy any dead people hair?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I didn't this year. Actually no, we didn't buy anything,
Ma Cob this year. My you know, I usually try
to find some dead people here. Didn't see me.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
I push it out of my mind. You're welcome that.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
That would be the room if you know Moose. Evertimes
Hall spend the night, we'll put him in the dead
hair room. So dead people hair room.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
You're lucky going there. I got a response to that.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Hey, hey, be thankful that Adam would be willing to
let you stay at his house.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
Oh no, I'm very thankful.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Would be willing to let you stay at her house.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
I think Kayla is just going to say yes so
she can smother me with a pillow. But then again,
apparently she and Adam are my parents.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Yeah. I almost included that picture tonight too, but oh
I wish you had. I didn't know if we wanted
to get into that or not, but yeah, yeah, send
it to me.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
And I have to uploaded the last picture we talked about. Uh,
we'll have to talk about that after we talk about this.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
But I was glad to honored to be invited to
the Carl and Nancy Ford UH Southern Education Conference in Jackson, Mississippi.
UH came down and spoke, spoke about the Southern Agrarians,
and uh this picture of me during my presentation. We
had a real good event, and uh, y'all can speak
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more to that if you want to. But I thought
it was a really good event. You'all had a great
lunch provided and good banana pudding, so all was well
with the world.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Yeah, whoever asked you to speak and that was a
real turd for making you read that again. But you
did sell out of everything that you brought from headquarters.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
So that's true. That sure it did, So that's that's good. Yeah,
it was.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
It was a good time. But we do appreciate you
coming down and and learning about these Southern or teaching
us about these Southern agrarians. There were a lot of
people that had never heard of them and had never
heard of Uh, what was my what was my head
going blank? Adam, yes, yes, and and and stuff like that.
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So it was a it was very very eye opening
and very interesting.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Thank you. I'm glad to come down there and do that,
and I always did to see our Mississippian patriots.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
It was certainly great to see our folks from Tennessee.
You did a great job. Kayla didn't kill Jason. We
all thought that that was going to be a major
problem going into that event. She did look like she
she thought about it. Okay. I noticed that Jason switched
seats after y'all got there. He went from sitting close
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to his wife, but when Kayla came in and sat
close to her, I noticed Jason just slowly like left
that area.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Smart man, smart man, smart man. Speaking of Jason.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Yeah, as you may know, if you've been to. Headquarters
were on the Civil War trail and our marker needed
replacement and Pasctmenergy Boucher's was the only person that could
fit underneath it, so he replaced it for us. Uh,
we had the insert and somebody had the forethought to
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order too when it was installed. So uh, we finally
found that after you know, once everything was moved out
of Springs and into the museum, everything's just a jumble.
But we finally found that insert placed it and vander
Bouchier's was good enough to put that in for so
want to thank you for doing that.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
He's a good little fella.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
I mean, I think he could have just walked underneath it.
I think he kind of sat down to try to
make it look like he was taller than he is,
but I think he can walk underneath it.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Personally. Oh, we've had a lot of good donations and
loans to the house. You know, we always talk about
the museum, but we have to remember Elm Springs too.
This is our original headquarters and this is what we
need to keep going and remember it as well. This
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parlor set started out at Elm Springs. Over the years.
It was just taken to South Carolina. And it's funny
how items end up in different places. But it ended
his journey back at Elm Springs. A lady who had
it in South Carolina contacted us and asked if we
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would like it back, and definitely we wanted it back.
So these two set tees are back in on Springs.
Those two what set teas.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Well, I'm not going to ask what is the set
tea because you're going to say something smart. Look, you
like those two things in the picture, but I guess
I guess.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Their small cow.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Okay, thank you, Adam.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yes, and we also have three original old paintings that
are of the time period. Right now we don't have
any original paintings on Springs, but now we do, so
these three have been put on long term loan to us.
This is Lucy McKie. Excuse me, this is not Lucy mckizie.
This is yes, it is. I'm sorry, uh, Lucy McKissick.
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She married Thomas Gibson of the Rock City Guards, so
she married a Confederate, So that will be a a
neat little piece to add the parlors. And this is
William Eugene Greenlaw and he lived in the mckissic house.
He married into the McKissick family. His house that he
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lived in was Ferguson Hall, which is where Van Dorn
was shot and killed by jealous husband. So uh, this
is depending on uh it's timeline. It may have been
in the house when General van Dorn was killed. So
all right, which would be a really cool piece to
add to our collection, which we have it in our
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collection now, But that would be a good story to
tell with that piece.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Yeah, I mean, no, no, no kidding, because Van Dorn's
story is very interesting. We've got a lady in Mississippi who.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Actually did a book and wrote wrote a little bit
about uh about van Dorn.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
This amazing story.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Mm hm.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Of course, we just finished shooting the Van Dorm movie
right brings too. And actually the room we're going to
put this portrait is the room where Van Dorm was
shot in the movie. So oh wow, good little tie in.
And yeah, Cayla's right, hare, So the next time you're
at Dell Springs, we got a lot for you to do.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
I'm looking forward to it, mainly because Cayla scares me.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Yeah, you and me both brother.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
And this is the last portrait. This is Fanny Harold
Greenlaw and we have the music box.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
This is of course her as a young girl. When
she got married, her husband gave her a music box,
and the music box came with a portrait. So uh,
two for the price of one on that one and
the price is free so he couldn't read it with
a stick.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
So funny thing. Uh, my female girlfriend, my female friend,
My girlfriend watches the show she's watching and she's got
her daughter with her and shut up. Anyway. Anyway, the
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daughter just asked, who was that on the show this week?
He kind of looks like Connor. So there's another one
that thinks we kind of look similar.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
When the funny thing is is I've had the same
picture for both of y'all on the STV chat website for.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
At least a year now. Nobody he's noticed it, and
no one's noticed.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
I've had more people comment on the pictures I put
up of Jason on the web site, but they don't
recognize that it's two different pictures for y'all, like.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
I think I think in the Adams picture of my
picture of my picture Adams.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
No, it's the picture of both of y'all after you
won the Robberie Lee Award war. Yeah, and I've used
the same picture for both of y'all. Didn't switch, it,
didn't nothing, didn't clarify who was witch. But everybody hasn't
said anything. But they'll say stuff about Jason's picture because
Jason changes his beard and hair length so much that
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he goes under multiple disguises, So they'll be like, that's
not Jason. And I'm like, are y'all not going to
look at the two pictures of the same people?
Speaker 6 (23:25):
But yeah, yeah, good times, good times.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Hey, And here's the big news. SCV Chat announced it
earlier in the show. Our budget passed and we had
the money and the budget to hire a part time
employee keep the museum open on Saturday. So we have
hired that employee. This past Saturday was his first day
by himself. So from now on, as long as we
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have our employee, our museum will be open on Saturday.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
So field trips.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
That's right. You don't have to look and see if
it will be open. We will be open unless it's
a major major holiday.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Is the start of college football season. Major holiday.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
We have continued our partnership with the Tennessee State Museum
and they brought down a few more items for us
in the past couple of weeks. And these epulets belonged
to Colonel John Goff Ballentine of the seventh Tennessee Cavalry
and you can see his photographs back there behind it.
He that's a wartime photo of him. He was rather
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a dude, uh, daked out in his uniform there and
chicken guts up his sleeve and then that's him. Post war,
he became a US representative representing Plaski, Tennessee and Giles
County that district. But so of course he survived the war.
And these are his epulets.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Hmmm, fantastic, that's cool. Where's that in relation to?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (25:13):
In the actual museum In case anybody goes this Saturday
and wants to take take a gander.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
If you're walking down the center aisle, these are one
of the cases facing the center isle that lead greatly
underneath the stained glass window. Okay, so another item from
the Tennessee State Museum. This is an Adams revolver made
in England and it belonged to Lieutenant William M. Sterrett
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of the fourteenth Virginia Calvary, which is from Rockbridge, Virginia.
So an a n V item that we're adding to
adding to the collection. And he also uh had an
infield that he sought off for use in the calvary,
and I think it may be the next photograph. If not,
should be the infield, you said, the infield, yeah, uhh.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
So it's cut off. As you can tell in the photograph.
It's a lot shorter than most infields would be. But
he's on a horse, so it made it easier for
him to carry with him in the go ahead.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
I was just gonna say, I just wondered how that
would have effected the rifling in it. I mean, is
it's still I guess it would still be rifled all
the way to the.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
To the breach mm hmm it should be, Yeah, I
wouldn't have the benefit of traveling the whole barrel. Of course.
Of course. X item is the saber. The first glance,
I thought this was just an old wrist breaker, but
it is uh uh from the Confederate State's Armory in Keenansville,
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North Carolina. So this is a National Confederate made saber,
but is modeled after the old cavalry style sabers. The
local guards a little bit different. Yeah, I may not
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know my flowers, but I knew my swords when I
looked at them, that's right. So the next one that
we have on loan is a two volume set of
Hardy's Tactics. This is an original. I think this was
printed in eighteen fifty five. I'm not gonna swear to that,
but I think that's No. Fifty nine. It was published
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in fifty nine, so just before the war. But this
is of course the we go to tactical manual that
helped train soldiers on both sides during the war. And
General Hardy, of course, was a core commander in the
Confederate Army. This little shoe, and I mean it's little.
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I mean it's uh, probably Jasons. I'm not gonna say
that it is, but uh, it's about five inches, looks
like a size five maybe a little bitty shoe. And
it was picked up off of the battlefield in Murphysboro, Tennessee,
right after the battle, and it was given to the
Tennessee State Museum a number of years ago. But it's
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a good example of a shoe that was probably worn
by a Confederate.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Wow, I was looking at the number of islets on it,
and it's three so there's no way to evenly easily tell.
Easier way to tell.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah, uh, this is a really neat piece. And sorry
for the bad picture. You can't really tell much detail
on it, but it's a it's a carved ring of
Captain Richard Compton who was captured take into where was
he taken to.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Johnson's Island?
Speaker 4 (29:09):
He was taking of Johnson Island And while he was there,
of course, nothing to do, he takes a button off
of his coat and he cars a ring. God of it.
If you're able to see the ring in person. In
the center, it's clasped hands and on either side of
the hands he has his initials or on one side
and Sea on the other. And the back is a
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break down the center. I guess so he could wear
it and be able to size it a little bit better.
But a really cool piece. And we can consider this
trench art, but prison art, I guess we'll call it.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Yeah, well, it's kind of along the same sentiments.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
That is interesting.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
Hmm. If you want to see it more clearly, visit
the National Confederate Museum.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
That's right, Yeah, on Saturday, you can come on Saturday yeah,
c s A A C s A belt bubble. This
came from the the Atlanta Depot or Atlanta Arsenal. Yeah,
it's kind of a common belt buckle that you might
see it shows, but hey, it's the first one farm museum. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
Now zep brass or is it one of the Pewter ones?
Speaker 4 (30:23):
It's brass mm hmm. Yeah. And some of those brass
and molds were really bad. I mean you could really
because they were all sand cast and you could really
uh see how poorous they were. But this was a
really good cast and not very poors at all.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Hm.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
And this is one of my favorite pieces for sure.
This was Felix.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
So I was gonna try to get Harrison to pronounce
that name. Felix is Zola Kaufer.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Here you go.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
So, yeah, I got it down, pap.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
So this was not the actual sword he had with
him when he was killed. He was the first Confederate
general killed in the Western theater in the war, and
he was killed at Mills Springs, Kentucky or some people
caught Fishing Creek that's where he was killed. He was
wearing The pictures do not do it justice, but he
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was wearing kind of a white frock coat. He was
standing out like a so they knew what they were
shooting at when they shot him, and of course killed
there on the battlefield in Kentucky. They took him to
Old Nashville Cemetery. That's where he's interred today. But he
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was from Murray County, Tennessee, so just about ten minutes
from our museum is where he was born. And we
think this might be a pre war sword that was
given to him when he joined Confederate Service.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
Yeah, because we were texting about it earlier and it
looks like like the model I think eighteen forty light
artillery saber, just from the knuckle guard and the curve
of the.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Curve of the blade.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
You do know your sabers, Hey, I like edged weapons.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
And the tree that he was killed under has long
been since called the Zalid tree, and I think the
tree has now fallen down, but here is a piece
of the Zalid tree. This came to us a few
months back, and once we got the tree, the sword
came along. And the sword is on one from the
Tennessee State Museum. And have a nice little collection of
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Zola KOFV. For items.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
Now.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
The next item is a CD Verer cabinet card of
its original showing General Zolokov.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
Oh wow, I can't wait. It's it's actually been a
hot minute since I haven't had anything to do and
actually been able to go tour the museum. I can't
wait to do that, as well as tour that has
been promised for four years at ELM Springs.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Hey, won't make that happen while you're moving furniture, how about.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
Pivot? Now?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Look to your right, and the last Solokauf for item
is in the engraving that came from I think the
Leslie's American History or History of the War, showing the
death of Zolakoff and a nice little illustration. Now, well
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nice as far as murder scenes go, but a nice
little illustration depicting that. Well, this would be a good
place to pause if you all want to take a
commercial break.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
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I forgot about the feed the Moose level.
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I forgot the feed the Moose of corn Dog level.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
We'll be right back after this break.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
I forgot about that.
Speaker 9 (35:57):
There is a place in the rolling farmland of southern
Middle Tennessee, A home constructed in eighteen thirty seven, nearly
lost to the ravages of war, saved by a servant
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and a Confederate general. A place where families loved and lost.
If walls could talk, what stories could be told. If
a place a home can feel love, lost, pain. Surely
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this is one of those places. Nearby is a more
recent structure, and inside are the stories of heroes and heroines,
stories of battles won and lost, stories of sacrifices made
by the people of its native soil. A place that
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will tell the true and complete story of the Southland
and the war fought for its freedom, from the causes
that led to the conflict, to the modern day struggles
to protect Southern history. Historic Elm Springs and the Confederate
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Museum at Elm Springs are the general headquarters for the
Sons of Confederate Veterans, a place where the story of
the Southland and its historic struggle is preserved and told.
Come and discover your history.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Now open on Saturdays.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Before we get back into the pictures, I've been going
through the chat and pulling some comments and one member.
I think it might have been a past commander. Chief Chapman.
Michael asked if our new employee was an SEV member,
and he is. He's a member of the Dealer Judge
Camp in Cookeville, Tennessee. And his name is Bentley. So
if you come on Saturday, tell Bentley. Hey, tell him,
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Goober says hey, and somebody. I also want to know
if Jason was a paid employee. No, Jason's not a
paid employee. He just volunteers a lot. So if you
want to volunteer, we can put you to work to
come and see me.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
And Jason also wanted to let everybody know it sometimes
comes in handy being a trolled.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
I wouldn't call you a troll. I might call you
a trocolo dyte, but no, never a troll.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
Yeah. They usually are ugly any billy goats.
Speaker 8 (38:58):
More.
Speaker 6 (39:00):
They hide under bridges and answer questions in a series
of three, or ask questions in a series of three.
Next picture, please, I know it's not one second.
Speaker 7 (39:18):
You're good.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
There there it is, There we go again. Not the
greatest picture. I'm working on getting things into cases this week.
Last week was all about doing grants and I finished
the grants. So now I'm working on filling display cases
and this is a really neat piece, and I imagine
Mississippi fellas might really like this too. Of course, Jefferson
(39:40):
Davidson died in Tell me what year he died, Moose.
Speaker 7 (39:45):
Eighteen eighty eight.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
I think you're right, it might be eighteen eighty nine,
but he passed away eighteen eighty nine. They buried him
in New Orleans. Four years later they decided that want
Mss Verena decides he wants him to be interred in
Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond, Virginia. So he has this huge
(40:10):
funeral train that takes him from New Orleans to Richmond,
and every large city, pretty much every large city, they
would take him out and put his body in state somewhere.
And one such places was in Montgomery, of course, where
he was first sworn in as President of the Confederacy.
And these medals of the medal and the ribbon are
(40:35):
from that funeral procession. I guess Confederate veterans were probably
wearing these. Those in attendants could wear these, so that's
what those are on the bottom. The top is from
his funeral wagon. I forget the fancy name for that.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
Waterfrack. What that catafract?
Speaker 4 (40:59):
I think, Yeah, there you go, catifalk, Yeah, the catlefaul.
There you go. And so that is fabric from his
catlefalk when they took him through Montgomery. And the next
image is a photo of the catafault, so very very similar,
(41:21):
but very different from the one you have on display
at both WAH. We got the original, the original, but
it was also used in New Orleans, so I read
when they disinterred him, So it was used twice. And
this was the one they used in Montgomery. And this
is the only image I can find of this reinterment
(41:45):
ceremony that they had, so a very rare photograph. And
the photographer was H. P. Trestler in Montgomery, and his
studio was on Dexter Avenue and that was the same
street that their own right there, Dexter Avenue. Take him
to the State House. Mhmm.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
Let me get a spoon.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
It's a spoon, absolutely, but it's a spoon that belonged
to Jefferson Davis. All these next items that I'm showing
come from Jefferson Davis's estate and they're all on long
term Museum by Tennessee and patriot Mike Dunn. So this
is a Victorian airspoon sterling silver has Easter on it,
(42:34):
but on the finial of the spoon you can see
the initial D for Davis. And it's in a really
old box. This is an antebellum Arab box that was
from Memphis a silver maker there. So cool Davis family,
peace to have. And this is a I'm sorry I
(43:00):
sent it to you upside down, but it says Jay
Davis on it. And this was found on the lot
where Jefferson Davis's home stood in Memphis, Tennessee, when he
lived in Memphis for a short while. M This came
along with part of Mike Dunn's loan to us. And
(43:21):
what's the next time. A lot of books came with
this too. I don't know we'll get to any of
those today, but probably later on in the show we'll
show you some of the books, many of them signed
by members of the Davis family.
Speaker 6 (43:33):
Yeah. I did not realize until talking to Mike at
National Reunion how big of a Davis guy he is.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
I think we're all Davis guys because we only had
one president. There were a lot of generals, but one president. Yeah,
Davis lingams very very large in our history. But Mike
really lucked up. This kind of goes to show us
that every interaction we have can lead to something for
our museum or for our organization. He met this lady
(44:09):
online and she was trying to sell something through Facebook marketplace,
and he can and said, hey, I like this picture
you have. Do you have anything else? And she said, yeah,
I have this, and I have this, I have this,
She's a Davis to send it, and she's selling items
from the Davis family. So let's see what else do
(44:33):
we have there, moose. So this is from Louisiana for
our Louisiana com patriots watching tonight. One of our compatriots
in Louisiana, David White, has loaned this to the museum,
and along with a companion piece, this is a bill
of sale for slave slaves. Actually, But then when you
(44:56):
go to the next item that we have a picture for,
this is the insurance policy for the said slaves. And
notice the insurance company still in operation today, still has
their headquarters in Hertford, Connecticut. At the insurance company, they
were still only slave insurance policies.
Speaker 6 (45:15):
Well, you mean to tell me that the North profited
over the institutional slavery, but the South is the one
that gets all the blame.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Pork absolutely. So that's why these items are so important
to our collection because they're going to be able to
show that while the South exactly what you just said,
While the South gets blamed for slavery, the North was
profiting off of the institution. Because the name of the
slave trader that was on that bill of sale, guess
(45:43):
where he was born? Pennsylvania. Oh so when the war's over,
he goes back to Pennsylvania pretty as you please, with
a pocket full of money.
Speaker 6 (45:56):
Shocked, I tell you so.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
Well. Be these are already in a cap A museum,
but will be uh trying to put some stories with
those pretty soon.
Speaker 6 (46:14):
Hey, changing subjects, but not changing subjects. So the Davis
stuff from the Montgomery funeral, is that going to go
by the death mask?
Speaker 4 (46:25):
Yes, we already have it in the case. Good. So
there's a huge Davis collection right there. Now. Not only
do we have the Davis desk mass from both Wild Loan,
we have his rocking share that was from his Memphis home.
We have a silver Confederate seal that belonged to Verena Davis.
(46:46):
We have his portrait that was painted by Tennessee artists.
It's on one from the Tennessee State Museum. And we
have a wooden bowl turned out of wood from his
site and that's in a display case. And we're adding
all these Davis family items that Mike Done has loaned
(47:08):
to us, so we'll have a pretty good Davis collection
right there in that one area. And just outside the
this display case is his monument.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (47:21):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
And these are some newspapers that came in with the
Mike dunk collection and uh, this is the one that
talks about uh Verena Davis's death in New York, and
then I think there's a second one that talks about ya.
So this is a an eighteen sixty two paper that
(47:49):
has the inaugural address of President Davis.
Speaker 6 (47:52):
M hmm.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (47:54):
And that's and that's not his because because everybody thinks
of the Montgomery inauguration, they don't think about the inauguration
because Montgomery was you know, provincial or yeah, provincial president.
Speaker 6 (48:07):
They don't think about the actual February of sixty two
when he was president president.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
Correct, ye. So it's kind of rare to have a
Confederate newspaper at all now, so right, so just to
have one at all is something. But this one has
inaugural dress President Davis, which makes it extra special, and
a bail that came with the collection. It was recovered
(48:35):
from the Ohio River from a Confederate ship. Now the
name of the Confederate ship is not given with the bail,
so I've still had some research to do on this one.
That's a vail has a beautiful tolld to it. I
guess you would call it. But it's just I want
to every time I walk by, I want to ring it.
(48:57):
So I had to put that in a case I
can control myself. And these are some of the books.
This is a set written by Verena Davis about President Davis,
and it is signed not by Verena inside, but it's
(49:17):
signed by uh Joel Hayes.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
This is an inscription for another book that we have here.
And there's a signed by President Davis.
Speaker 7 (49:29):
We'll find it.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
We'll find it. I may not have taken a picture
of it, actually, But there's another one that's signed by V.
Jefferson Davis, which is how Verena signed her name as
a widow m and so I may not have even
taken a picture of the inscription, but it's signed by
one of the Hayes children to the Jefferson Davis's grandson, William.
(49:53):
So really first edition book, but they signed it and
described the book in nineteen seventeen into the twentieth century.
The other books that were included, I think, yeah, this
one is really cool. This was the story that came
(50:15):
along with it, said that a servant of the Confederate
White House in Richmond saved this book from being destroyed
by the Federal army as they came into town. That
was actually used by the Secretary of War Cooper. And
that's a CDV of Cooper on top. Pretty neat. And
(50:36):
that's the one that actually has Jefferson Davis's signature in
it as well.
Speaker 7 (50:40):
Boom perfect.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
Hey there we go.
Speaker 6 (50:45):
You gotta figure it out, you know, I try.
Speaker 7 (50:49):
I do. Here's the next book.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
And this was I was really cusse because this has
nothing to do with the war. Bob. There was a
post war governor of Tennessee. And inside is the inscription
that says V. Jefferson Davis. So this was given to
Verena Davis or at least belonged to her library, and
(51:17):
it says I think William Davis Hayes also signed it,
which is Jefferson Davis's grandson. Yeah. And the next one,
this is a book of poetry. And I really have
some work to do on this, and somebody that has
(51:40):
time to research this if you want to. I want
to know who William E. Lane is because it says
it came from the library of jeff Davis in eighteen
sixty three. So was Willim E. Lane a Yankee that
stole this from Jefferson Davis's library or how did he?
I'm into possession of it.
Speaker 6 (52:01):
So well, I'm willing to bet that because you know,
Vicksburg fell and that's where President Davis was from. Uh,
the Federals did occupy, So I'm willing about it did
come from Briarfield.
Speaker 4 (52:12):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of what I'm thinking too.
So I'd like to know if we and me Lane
was a Yankee soldier, and we'll find out here. And
this was a really nice book. Miss Snyder. Missus Snyder
(52:32):
was an author of post uh postwar Nashville. She wrote
a number of books about the war, and she addressed
this one to Jefferson Davis uh as she gifted her
book to him. This was I think a book called
My scrap Book, And of course she was from Nashville
and got this to President Davis. But another cool Jefferson
(52:57):
Davis Peace to add to that case. Yeah, Commander Hurley
as soon as he was finished with the reunion in Houston,
he and his wife came up to see us at
the museum a few weeks ago and they brought us,
I think thirteen flags that were from the Texas UCV,
(53:24):
and one of them has been beautifully conserved as you
can see in the nice case there, and the rest
are in those archival boxes and ones rolled up there
to the right. But thirteen Confederate battle flags. And that's
the really for us. And Commander Hurley commented on this,
(53:45):
and I want to echo what he said. A lot
of us argue about the use of the battle flag.
I love the battle flag, but some people say, you know,
why don't we change to the first national flag or
change to this flag. These are UCV flags, and all
of them are are the Saint Andrew's Cross, all of
them are the battle flag. So that's the flag that
(54:06):
the veterans themselves are meeting under so why should we
change that?
Speaker 8 (54:10):
Right?
Speaker 6 (54:11):
And there was a video that we debunked a couple
of months ago that dealt with that that actually the
guy says an outright lost any of the veterans never
used the flag after the war. And yet you know
he flips two seconds later to a picture of a
veteran holding the flag at a reunion. Oh, he was
(54:32):
a genius.
Speaker 7 (54:35):
And this is our last photo of the evening at him.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
Oh is it okay?
Speaker 8 (54:42):
We have.
Speaker 4 (54:44):
All right? This is Eric Pravetti and Tennessee compatriot Rich Garcia.
And Rich Garcia brought to us another reunion flag. This
one is from the nineteen thirty four Chattanooga reunion. And
he also brought at an original UCV program and I
think the program was from an earlier reunion, maybe nineteen thirty,
(55:08):
maybe even be earlier than that. But two great pieces
that were happy to add to our collection. These were
given to rich Garcia to bring to our museum, and
he met Eric Pravetti up there and the rest is history.
Now they're in our museum, in our collection, and we'll
(55:30):
be happy to display them.
Speaker 6 (55:33):
Yeah, didn't didn't Rich meet the guy at a recruiting event.
Speaker 4 (55:38):
He did absolutely, So that goes to show that, you know,
that's whe're making these connections, is getting their name out
there and meeting people. It's so important because you never
know what that's going to lead to. I like Mike done,
just meeting somebody on Facebook marketplace and they say, you
know we have all these items. Yeah, meeting somebody at
(56:01):
a recruiting booth and the next thing, you know, we
have two great items for our museums. So right, you know,
it's all about making those connections. And I think the
majority of people, that silent majority that we always talk about,
they're in favor of us, They're in favor by the
museum and what we're trying to do.
Speaker 6 (56:18):
So yeah, and it's just you know, be out there
and be in your communities and do stuff.
Speaker 4 (56:24):
Amen.
Speaker 7 (56:26):
Amen, Well, Adam, do you have anything else you want
to say from the headquarters?
Speaker 4 (56:35):
Come see me. That's the only thing right now. I've
just come to see it. We're open Monday through Saturday.
Speaker 6 (56:45):
I'm trying to think of what else I can give
you time to think.
Speaker 7 (56:50):
I have something to loaded and ready.
Speaker 6 (56:53):
Yeah, let's not watch the mouse Mania.
Speaker 7 (56:56):
Oh that's just tragic. Man, come on now, okay, should.
Speaker 10 (57:08):
Have headed down by now, but we're talking away.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
They gotta go.
Speaker 10 (57:16):
Why didn't virtue and let me amagen.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Bay shud a break.
Speaker 10 (57:25):
A navages Bay boy.
Speaker 7 (57:28):
You.
Speaker 10 (57:31):
Legen say bye the Fruitagen by bringing you now what
you gone?
Speaker 2 (57:42):
No?
Speaker 3 (57:42):
What you want to go?
Speaker 8 (57:44):
Don't see it like you do see it? Bab sex
on by because I wanted to be king something.
Speaker 7 (57:54):
Now I'll see to wear the rain. That's not the
song I picked.
Speaker 6 (58:03):
Yeah, I apologize, Yeah, we apologize.
Speaker 7 (58:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (58:13):
Always always check before you up and decide to upload
something that wasn't what it was playing when I listened
to it. Uh that's interesting, uh huh uh yeah. All right,
Well we're gonna go ahead and kill the episode here.
Hope everybody's had a great night. Remember to tune in.
(58:34):
Is Jason starting his new show tomorrow?
Speaker 7 (58:37):
I don't think so, but we do have a rerun scheduled,
uh of when Doctor Mitcham talked about generals from Louisiana,
So check that out tomorrow and we'll get in touch
with Jason and figure out when. Uh they're starting on that.
Speaker 6 (58:56):
Goody Okay. Also, remember on Wednesday, you have look around Florida.
With Sean McFall uh and then on Thursday, maybe they'll
be looking around the Confederation news. If I don't kill
(59:19):
him first.
Speaker 7 (59:21):
Yeah, that's a new one. I got nothing on that one.
Speaker 4 (59:25):
Yeah yeah answer. Tennessee Tuesday begins next.
Speaker 7 (59:30):
Month, next month, Okay, okay, I hope y'all don't have
that music.
Speaker 6 (59:35):
I hope you don't have that music.
Speaker 4 (59:41):
Anyway.
Speaker 7 (59:45):
M hm.
Speaker 6 (59:51):
Hi, Tayla, I'm gonna kill your son, sad.
Speaker 4 (59:59):
We talked about this.
Speaker 6 (01:00:02):
So so for those that don't know well at National Union,
the photographer asked Kayla and Adam if Harrison was their son,
and it was a big fun joke. Hmmm mmm yeah yeah,
(01:00:26):
no Kidden, chuck back, no Kidden. All right, well, I'll
understand if y'all don't want to join Patreon.
Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Hey baby, if we do more stuff like this, we'll
get a reach a new audience who knows yea.
Speaker 7 (01:00:48):
Hey, yeah, okay, bye, I'm not to edit that out.
Thank you to our patre Yeah, no foodmar.
Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
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