SCV CHAT SEASON 6 EPISODE 30-What Was the Cause of Secession in 1861

Tonight we dive into our first part in our A Confederate Catechism series. Tonight we tackle the most ask questions about the War Between the States. What was the cause of secession in 1861?

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (02:55):
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Speaker 1 (03:00):
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Speaker 2 (03:23):
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be a part of the intro just every night.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Its every night Carl saying it's smoky, it's smoky.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
I'm not I'm not at it. I am not again it.
You know what. I think that'd be a great way
to start every Monday for me.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
I mean, you know, anyway before we get kicked off
if using Pine Express of this broadcast, especially when you
screw ups or those of us, not any sub division
brigade camp Ge see other subsidiary strictly those of US.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
So yeah, throws up on me their moves, no comment.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
I hope everybody had a wonderful uh Labor day.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I know I did. I was on the beach.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Soaking up some sun and getting some burnt. My poor
sister uh now has cankles. I know she is really
happy that I'm broadcasting this news to the entire world.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
You know, with tonight's topic, this has the potential will
be one of our most viewed episodes. Yeah. Yeah, that's
that's kind of why I wanted to. I want to
bring it up.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
But no, she had sun poisoning, which you know is
a thing.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Poor, poor, poor Susie. I promise you, Susie, I will
only run a couple of ads and maybe like just
what what would you say? Is fair? Three?

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Three?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Uh so, yeah, but it was a it was a
good time for me. Mus What did you do for
Labor Day?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I went to uh, of course, my first Old Miss
game I've went to in a while. I try not
to go to him anymore for obvious reasons that we've
talked about on the show. So I'm not beating a
horse to dead. But my friends really wanted me to
go and tailgated in a while, and I will say

(06:02):
I did miss how much tailgating fun tailgating was I
got to wear. No, I am actually a unofficially national
champion in baseball. Mascots get rings, huh, so, but you

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weren't in mascot. I was the alumni's mascot and the
alumni helped me out. So to many Old Miss fans,
I am a the only officially recognized national champion mascot
at Old Miss huh so, yeah, I wore that ring,

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got to talk to a couple of people, had a
good time, and then Monday I came in and spent
some time with some very close family members and friends.
Talked about a one of my close friends marriage and
what I'm to that marriage in November. God bless her heart.
I feel so bad for her, but I get it honest,

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and that's where I'm gonna stop that story so I
don't get murdered later. But it was a fun family time.
I also got to draft one of my uncle's fantasy
football teams. He is going to regret that I gave
him the worst players in the league. So to Uncle Earl,

(07:27):
I'm extremely sorry because I have screwed you. I was
gonna say, are y'all in the same league? No, no, no,
I have my own league with some of my close
friends from high school in college and it's a small league,
just a bit of money. I'm actually I named one
of the camp my team after one of the camps
here in the Mississippi Division, or at least part of

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the name. So no, no, we're not in the same league.
But I did screw him immensely in the family League,
so I feel bad for him. Yeah, yeah, I could,
I could. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
I mean you know that that is that is very good.
Well it's not good, but you know, I missed my
family league.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
I don't want to get back in it in just
in case my sister is watching, because we haven't done
that in several years. We stopped when the whole kneeling
for the anthem thing kicked off, and that's watching.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Ironically, that's one of the reasons we got back into it.
So we had done it in high school some of
my closest friends, and no money was evolved back then.
But we couldn't bring ourselves to watch pro football anymore,
and so we started the league to make up our
own teams that would disappoint us. And we still don't

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watch NFL teams. We just watched the scores in our
own league. But I can't join the Family League because
I need to find another person and no one else
in the family wants to join it. Forrest doesn't want
to join it. Uh, Daddy is way too busy. I'm
pretty sure. I don't know if he'd ever change his lineup.

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But he does not get on his phone much. My
poor father is not a phone person. He is he
works a lot, either on the farm or at his
what I call a professional job, but he he he.
I think he was going to do it one year,
and I think he just usually DJ's the draft. Uh.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
I know that Forrest is an extremely busy person. Uh
you know, we had our man Ball Muster meeting this
past weekend and he could not attend because he was
at the conference up in the.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Confederate Legion conference that was held.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Up at Elm Springs this past weekend.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
So, uh, you know, good on, good on him. I'm
still sharing stuff out. That's how many groups we're in,
by the way, Ah.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Much, Yeah, well I figured as much. Let me know
when you were done sharing news, because I've got something
I need to share.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
All right. Uh, let me just make sure because I
do have my points up, but they're scattered. I thought
i'd have time to write them down, but luckily, and
I'll give a shout out towards end the episode of
some historians that kind of helped me out.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Oh I'm not saying we're gonna get into the topic.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Oh okay, okay, yeah, no I'm ready. Oh no, no,
like get everything shared out first. Oh yeah, no, I
just finished it for some reason. By the way, if
you're watching on Facebook, it won't let us share our
episodes to our story anymore. So please make sure if
you just missed an episode, maybe you're watching this on
replay letter, you can go to a lovely website called

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to see your most favorite episodes.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Here at Yeah, and well, before I jump into what
I need your undivided attention for, I do want to
give a big shout out and congratulations to uh Jason
Boucher's and Josh Blankenship for getting Tennessee Tuesday kicked off.
You know, that was a laudable undertaking that they've done.

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And I did not get to see the episode sadly
down to the beach. It's just you know, I was
I was busy with with something else and could not
watch it. But I heard a bunch of great things.
So I'm really really excited for you guys. So that is,
of course on well Tuesday, So make sure that y'all

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are tuning in and watching.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
That show on Tuesdays. Yeah, Tuesday, Yeah you really should.
It was a great episode. I will make a joke
and say that we we our jobs are in danger. Connor, yeah,
I heard that. I heard that. Josh. Oh, hey, there

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she is.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Uh glad she decided to tune in after we get
done talking about her kinkles.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Uh yeah, Commander Blinking Ship. Yeah No, I'm glad you
joined the team, brother, because uh you you make us,
or at least make me look bad. I have been
very confident in my ability to host an episode, be
the voice of an episode. I don't do it often,
but I'm confident in my building until Tuesday, where I

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was like, you know what, I suck? Yeah, I believe.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
I believe Josh has just a little bit of our
Commander Blanket Ship brother has a little bit of it
to practice. He's got a at least had at one point.
I don't know if he still does or not, but
like a radio program.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
So Faversham, Carl Faversham, Carl m made dark. I mean
it is. I mean you're you're not wrong, Hm Faversham Carl,

(13:33):
I see, Carl. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
I would like to point out though, that not only
do we have Tennessee Tuesday that kicked off, we also
still have Look Around Florida Sean McFall on Wednesday and
look around uh the Confederation with Moose on Thursdays. So
you know, definitely get your Confederate programming the guys.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yes, please support everybody because we got some great people
doing a lot of great things.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, so Moose, how long have we known each other?

Speaker 2 (14:14):
We met on a rainy day in early twenty nineteen.
It was it was not rainy, it was not rainy.
It was very sunny, but it added some dramatic effect.
We met in twenty nineteen. I know this because it
was election time. You were running for division commander. I'd
actually met you two years prior, when you were running

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for lieutenant division commander in Oxford, Mississippi in twenty seventeen.
I voted for you. I told my dad that I
believed we needed some young blood in the organization, and
I thought you were it, so I voted for you.
And then about two years later, in twenty eighteen, when
a lot of stuff started happening at Old miss I'd

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been a camtmember all my life, if a proud member
of the same way. It started in twenty it started
in twenty twenty. But we discussed me getting more involved
before your election in nineteen so I just felt like
I was needing to do more with me becoming more aware,
I guess, not the actual attacks that really pissed me

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off and got me going, but that our heritage was
under an attack of sorts. I became more aware of
that as I left my hometown, where people still had
the Missippi flag and battle flags on their shirts, people
saying Dixie like my town. It hit us late what
had happened to a lot of other Southern towns where

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pride in your heritage was attacked. And so when I
kind of left Oxford, I remember I talked to Greg Johnson,
my camp added at my father, my camp commander, about
getting more involved. And I can blame Greg for two
things and you for two things. Greg was like, you
need to talk to Connor Bond He's like, he's a
young guy like you, and he will actually be an

(16:03):
Oxerd for their Confederate Memorial Day service. He told me
this at my January camp meeting. I said perfect, and
Greg was like, let me know what Connor says about
ways to get involved. And then I got the greatest
scam of my life when I asked Connor how to
get more involved and he's like, well, the best position
to start is Camp adjutant. And I mean you must

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have given Greg Greg the most beautiful birthday gift of
his life because he had been Camp agudant for years.
Dad and Greg were telling me how easy camp aggidant is,
and so were you, because we were texting at this point.
And I got elected to Camp adjudant in July. You
got elected to division commander in June, and you kept

(16:46):
up that ruse until July, where you were at my
camp meeting where I got elected. You came over, you
hugged me, and you said you're screwed.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
That's pretty much it. But no, we hit it off
at the University Grays Camp Confederate Moral Day event where
me and you stayed for like two or three hours talking,
just walking around in the cemetery there. The monument hadn't
been moved there yet, but we sat where the monument

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would have been and talked, yeah, for two three hours
about not only what was happening in our heritage, but
the organization. Connor was teaching me a lot. Again. I
never really, I hate to say it, but I never
really paid attention if I went to a national reunion.
I never paid attention when I went to a division reunion.
I was a kid. This was kind of my first
time actually growing up and being like, you know what,

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I want to learn about this organization. And so me
and Connor talked for a long time and we kind
of hit it off. He made some very funny jokes
I think connected to step brothers, and we have been
friends ever since. We worked very closely together. We see
each other or talk to each other at least once
a week at the bare minimum, sometimes a lot more

(18:01):
than that. I was there for Connor during his term
as division commander, and that's kind of we've been close
friends ever since.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Well, it has been definitely been a very very fun ride.
And you know, I don't give you enough credit for
everything that you do on on this show, and there
are times that you know, I can be a little
bit it's a partnership definitely between Chat and of course
stars and bar studios. I can give you a little

(18:31):
bit more crap than you deserve. And you know there
are times that you know, I just I don't. I
don't say I appreciate you enough news and I do,
and I know you know that. But I made a
little video montage of some pictures of us from I
think the earliest one is from our first trip up

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to headquarters together. I do not have the picture of
you asleep, so you can be thankful for that. But
you know, just they're they're not in any particular order,
but just a little video montage of our friendship for
the past six years. You you froze up on me

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their moose hurt, yes, Connor, Yes. So for those that
don't know know some people mentioned it in the chat
while it was on vacation, asked love my wife if
she would be my wife. We're planning on getting married
next year and we're filling out the wedding party and
uh I was joking with heresin this past weekend that

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he was in the running for a groomsman position, And
little did you know, I had already decided I was
going to ask him to be my best man, and
I didn't. I couldn't figure of a better place for
our relationship to do this than here on our program
on Monday night.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
So well, it is a very big honor. Man. I
hate you right now and love you at the same time.
Some of those pictures I wish we would have kept deep,
deep within our phones to never see the light of day.
Some very awful pictures of me, and some I don't remember.

(21:40):
I'd forgotten about a couple of those, and I think
Susie has done that. So I want to thank Susie
for me. I don't remember the kiss blowing one. I
don't know what I was doing.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
I was holding up banana. I think you were just
making a monkey face.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
But yeah, that was That was from last year's National
Reunion trip.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
So, well, y'all heard it here. She is going to
or not she he is going.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
To wedding next year?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
So and who knows, we may live stream it just
so that we can help pay for the thing. So
you can write it off as a business.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yes, Patreon Exclusive, you.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Have to pay you thirty extra bucks to witness Connor's
wedding if you can't make it.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Uh yeah, we are, Uh we are definitely kidding about that.
Now we're not going to be doing it on Patreon. So,
but you can't get an exclusive shirty Yeah, you can't
get a you can't get a wedding shirt either. I'm
not merchandising my wedding. There's some things that uh that

(22:55):
that this that I'm I won't do.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
So, uh, yes you did, because I do want to
thank you for picking a lot of pictures. I had
my beard for it, or at least you made sure
I was skinny for and not the fat phase where
I had no beard and I was two fifty five
and I had like three chins. So I do want

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to thank you for that.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
You mean, like, don't pull it up.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Well, I could have done this one. It's loading. I
don't know that's that's actually become a meme of shorts.
I grew up my facial hair for hunting season and
this meeting was in the middle of that, and I
don't know why I was looking at Connor like that,

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but it became a running joke that gets you someone
that looks at Moose that looks at you like Moose
looks at an SEV meeting. I remember that meme. I
could have done this one. Yeah. Uh, I don't take
life too seriously. I tried not to anyway. Oh oh,

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we're bringing this one back.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah, okay, old Captain Rodney, I'll take a cheeseburger.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
So h.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
But now that we got that out of the way,
let's start looking and seeing who's on the chat and
see if we have anything special.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
David Pope says that they'll be on again Friday night
with we run other Articles of Confederation program on the
Friends of the Douglas South Freeman Group.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Uh uh yes, join Friends of the SCV. Yo. It
has put some age on us. I looked back some
of our older pictures. Actually, you look better. You can't
say that. Oh no, you look better than you did
when I first met you. Oh oh, that's my compliment

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to you. I've aged horribly. I went from one hundred
and eighty pounds to two point fifty and I'm just
back down to two thirty. And during that time I
dated that girl that and I told you this in confidence,
so I guess I'll tell it on air. There's only
one thing I shared with Abraham Lincoln and that was
both a female. Both called it ugly and told us

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we need to grow facial hair.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah, well, I mean, hey, not everybody can be perfect.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Too. Where I told one of my other friends, I
was like, he had God had to hamper me somewhere.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Ye, dear friend of mine, he used to work with me.
He was bald, and his big thing was, you know,
God made some heads perfect, and the rest of them
he put hair on them. And I think that Forrest
would would agree with that sentiment.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Got to send he's stealing that.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
That's going on a shirt next year at National I'm
I'm I would not be surprised.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
But as Barrett young ass, you know, does the.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
SCV have an associate membership program?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
We do.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
We have the Friends of the s CV. It is
open to anybody who does not meet the genealogical or
gender requirements. I guess that's the correct way of saying
it of our organization. So yes, you can join a
friend as as a friend, and in fact, uh, you
have to have a camp.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
To sponsor you.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
It's forty five dollars annually for the first year and
then thirty five after that you get a pen a
certificate and a subscription to the Confettered Veteran magazine. But
you know, once you once you join as a friend,
you know people, you may be surprised what we can
find in your in your genealogy. Uh for that of course,
you know past commander or current commander. And she excuse
me watching Donnie Kennedy you know.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Said that as well. Uh.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
In there, Carl Jones wants to remind everybody that on
May sixth and what Tumpka, Alabama, the Army of Tennessee
will be having a workshop. Make sure to attend. It
should be like a good miniature national reunion with stuff
on Friday night, stuff on uh, you know, music, things

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of that nature, good food. Carl, can you send me
a breakdown for that event and how to say that
town name what Tumpka? Dude, dyslexic that looks nothing like
what Tompka?

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, well not even Uh. He also had to give
me dyslexia and the ability not to pronunciate on anything
or enunciate.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
So all right, you're ready to take the commercial break
before we get kicked off on the Confederate Catechism. I
am looking forward to these sets of episodes. Let me
go ahead and get this all right, the break down,

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or yeah, let's let's go ahead do the break now
and then we can dive into it and not have
to do it and when we're in mid stride. So
we are happy to have doctor Chris Cummins as a
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saw his ad in the beginning of the episode, Doctor Cummins,

(28:37):
I still have not had a chance to sit down
and fix the graphic.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
I am going to do that or get used to
do that, one of the two. So there is that.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
But if you have me pain, please visit doctor Cummins's clinic,
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Our patrons keep us on the air, they keep us
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are starting now that I've got to figure it out
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Speaker 2 (29:25):
So there is that well a hereful bean footage.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
There is a place nestled in the rolling farmland of
southern Middle Tennessee. A home constructed in eighteen thirty seven,
nearly lost to the ravages of war, saved by a
servant and a Confederate general. A place where families loved

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and lost. If walls could talk, what stories could be told,
If a place a home can feel love, lost, pained.
Surely this is one of those places. Nearby is a

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more recent structure, and inside are the stories of heroes
and heroines, stories of battles won and lost, stories of
sacrifices made by the people of its native soil. A
place that will tell the true and complete story of
the Southland and the war fought for its freedom, from

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the causes that led to the conflict, to the modern
day struggles to protect Southern history. Historic Elm Springs and
the Confederate Museum at Home Springs are the general headquarters
for the sons of Confederate veterans, a place where the

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story of the Southland and its historic struggle is preserved
and told. Come and discover your history.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
And indeed remember that The National Confederate Museum at Elm
Springs is now open on the weekends. Adams said that
they were actually very busy this past Saturday when it
was open on Saturday, so make your plans to attend.
Of course, it is a fall or it's starting to befall.

(31:58):
We have meteorological fall the day. I mean, it's not
the actual changing of the season. Yet it does feel
good here in central Mississippi. I don't think we got
above like ninety two degrees.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Today, but.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
It is absolutely beautiful foliage in Tennessee right now. If
you are a leafer, definitely prettier than those leaves they've
got up in New England, that's for So if you
are a member of our Patreon, then you would have

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seen that we're starting. We like to do themed episodes,
you know, and I guess this is a quasi themed
episode or a series of episodes. We really like our series,
but we are launching a series on the Confederate Catechism.
For a little bit of backstory on why we decided
to do this. During the Mississippi Division History Carl and

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Nancy Ford Memorial History and Heritage Conference or Southern History
Heritage Education Conference.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Since got a long name, we.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Okay, Harrison we had Frank Powell come down and Frank
sells these books at his through the Scuppernog Press. You
can get a copy at scuppernog press dot com. That's
s c U P p E R N O N
G P R E s S dot com. It is

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a very short pamphlet that was originally published in the
nineteenth In nineteen twenty nine, it was published by excuse me,
uh Lion Gardner Tyler, who was the son of President Tyler.
A little bit about him, just so that people can

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understand his history and things of that nature. I'll read
about the about the author section before we go into
his actual work.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
So doctor Tyler was born in.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Virginia on August twenty fourth, eighteen fifty three, to President
John Tyler and first Lady Julia Gardner Tyler. He was
Tyler's fourteenth child and next to the last. He attended
the University of Virginia, graduating eighteen seventy five. He served
as president of the College william Amary in Williamsburg from
eighteen eighty eight to nineteen nineteen. Was given credit for

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reviving the college from financial debts that had followed to
at the conclusion of the War for Southern independence. Tyler
was considered a noted educator and historian. In nineteen oh nine,
the centennial of the nine Excuse Me, Tyler was considered
a noted educator and historian. And in nineteen oh nine,
the centennial of Lincoln's birth, he became enraged by an

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article in a magazine which referred to his father, the
tenth President of the United States, as a dwarf compared
to Lincoln's presidency. From then on he he became a
very staunch anti Lincolnite and a very pro Confederate commentator.
He was prolific. He was a prolific author and published
numerous pamphlets and books, including this one, which should be

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read by every American, and I do agree. Tyler was
a member of the Virginia Historical Society for fifty two years,
thirty two years as its Vice president. Was the author
of several books on Virginia history, quote and doctor Tyler's
exhaustive researches in his In his task of vindicating the
character and policies of his illustrious father, he chanced upon

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many literatary misrepresentations concerning the War between the States. Discovered
these systematic distortion of history by lying propagandists. Thus started
his lifelong and teal continued tireless zeal for historical truth.
Finding that his father's principles and ideas for which he
had stood and toiled throughout his long political career, including

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his administration as President of the United States, were being
misrepers and misrepresented. Doctor Tyler set himself to correct these
distortions and to defend his father's principles, especially the consistency
of his position regarding states' rights. Thus who became Thus
he came to write extensively on the Confederate history and

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political philosophy. That is the stage of lines den by
Johnny Hobiak. He passed away on February twelfth, nineteen thirty five,
in Richmond and is buried in Hollywood Cemetery. So this
is written by a guy who, of course is a
son of a president. But more than that, he grew

(36:37):
up during the War between States. He saw firsthand the
atrocities that happened to the South. And you know, what
started as a defense of his father, which of course
you know we have we do as well, turned into
more than that, and it became he created this, this
little pamphlet which again every Southerner should read, in our opinion,

(37:05):
a little bit about the Catechism. Frank Powell wrote this
in his edition, which is why we are encouraging everybody
to get a copy from him. This is a reprint
of an original twelve page and air pamphlet published in
nineteen twenty nine of the son of tenth US President
John Tyler. He was a noted historian, educator, and author
in his own rights service president of William the College,

(37:28):
William and Mary or William and Mary Colleges, he writes
in here for thirty three years. He wrote this pamphlet
to help correct the propaganda about the South and his
father by Northern writers and publishers. It is short, concise,
and should be read by every student, not only in
the South, but in the United States. It has been
reset in a modern typeface with all the original language
intact also included or some facts about the author which

(37:49):
we just read, along with his portrait at the end.
This is something that could be a great you know,
not only a great recruiting tool for us, but it
should be used to educate our membership in this current
war that we are in with the radical left and

(38:13):
their destruction of our history. We have two forms of ammunition,
the first form obviously being our dollars that you know,
we can use to help fight against the attacks that
come in, the second being our education, having the truth
on our side, understanding the truth that's on our side,

(38:33):
as well as presenting that to the entire world. One
would say that that's also part of our charge. You know,
if we were to vindicate the cause for which our
ancestors spot, we must first fully understand the cause that
led them to go to war. So, without further ado,
we are going to dive into this section, and it

(38:57):
has broken up. I'll go ahead and say this to
twenty questions about the war between the States, And question
one is what was the cause of secession in eighteen
sixty one? What was the cause of secession in eighteen
sixty one?

Speaker 2 (39:16):
This is what Tyler wrote.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
It was the fact that the Union consisted from the
first two jarring nations having different interest which were brought
to the breaking point in eighteen sixty one by the
imperative agitation in the North against everything southern. The breaking
point was nearly reached in seventeen eighty five, when the
North sought to stop the development of the South by

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giving the Mississippi River to Spain, in eighteen oh one,
when it attempted the immoral act of turning the presidential
ticket upside down and making Aaron Burr president, and in
eighteen thirty three when it imposed upon the South a
higher protective tariff for the benefit of northern manufacturers. The
breaking point was finally reached in eighteen six sixty one, when,

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after unmitigated abuse of the South, a strictly northern president
was elected by strictly Northern votes upon a platform which
pudiated the decision of the Supreme Court of the United
States authorizing Southerners to carry.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Their slaves into the territories. This decision gave no material.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Advantage to slavery, as none of the remaining territorial domain
was in any way fit for agriculture. But the Southerners
resented the attitude of Lincoln and his party as a
challenge to their constitutional rights, and as a determination on
the part of the North to govern the Union thereafter
by virtue of a mere numerical majority. The literature of

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those times shows that such mutual and mortal hatred existed.
In the language of Jefferson quote to render separation preferable
to eternal discord. The choice was between remaining in such
a union of hate or seceding. There was no real peace,
and the South seceded because it wanted peace, not strife

(41:01):
or war.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
One of the things that jumped out at me, and
I did at least get some of my lists done.
Throughout the rest of this, I'm will have to be
jumping back and forth. Was too jarring nations with different
interest and what people have to understand, especially back in
the nineteenth century, it there I've kind of had to

(41:32):
start catching myself. The union looked a lot different than
it does today. And I think something people need to
look at is the fact that if today we can
barely get along, and you know, today both political sides

(41:53):
basically compare the other ones to the devil. Are people
that are probably with the devil right now. Think how
it was back then, where it was probably pretty heated. Uh,
and you did have two nations because each state was
free and sovereign.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
I would I would go a little bit further and
actually bring up the point that it's two separate people.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
You know, we've talked about that. Who has I'LB and
C hopefully we'll get back to that someday.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah, that that we are a separate people from from
our neighbors in the North, that we hold different ideas.
Our worldview was established by different people. Our worldview, of
course is you know, four hundred years ago is what
affects we are today. And because we are two people,
we've never been able to get along. And indeed, you know,

(42:53):
one thing I wish Tyler would have mentioned in here
was the secession movement of New England during the War
of eighteen twelve. You know, he he doesn't, but you know,
there was the the Union was almost broken up then
at that point because the North did not want to, uh,
the industrial and mercantile North did not want to really

(43:14):
you know buck the Great Britain. They thought they were
more interested in their in their pocketbooks than anything else.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
And I mean that's going to be a recurring theme
in this. I mean, of course, this is a very
big underlying issue that I think will get into again.
But the North wanted to use the federal government to
control the South, while the stout South and a lot
of us still believe this should be state run. Our
government should be more focused on the home front instead

(43:44):
of ran by people in Washington. And a lot of
people still believe that today.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah, and and and that is that is true the
Jeffersoni versus Hamiltonian idea of which was superior the national
government or the state government, which one held more swear
of your life. That's why we we you know, talk
about think locally and act locally all the time.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
We still happen.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Brian McClanahan give him the credit or on that one
hundred percent. But still it was the different the different ideas.
But you know, some of the things that he talks about.
There's that is the moral tariff, you know, the tariff
that was imposed on on on the South that was
used and he writes about it later on, so you'll
hear about it's more uh, but that tariff was used to,

(44:28):
you know, essentially have the South go ahead and pay
for all these improvements that affected the North. It wasn't
necessarily the fact that, yeah, or it was. It was
the fact that you know, here we are, you know,
doing all this work and yet you know we're we're
not seeing anything like the Eeri Eclip Canal being built

(44:50):
in the South. And and of course it comes to
a head with with the peculiar institution, as Jefferson called it.
But you know, I do like the fact that he
brings out that's something that is often miss uh miss
not so much misinterpreted, but is left out of most
modern you know, talks about the war. Is the fact

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that Lincoln was elected without being on the ballot on
many Southern states, without carrying a single Southern vote. Yet
he's supposed to be the president of this of this union,
and we're just supposed to accept that.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
And you add that to the fact that, you know,
they wanted the national government to mean more, meaning they
wanted the president to mean more. And I couldn't imagine
how you'd feel, especially with the country being smaller than
it is today. You're not elected in any Southern states,
you're not on the ballot in southern states, you win, Well,

(45:49):
how is that supposed to make us feel? Does this
feel like we are, you know, being governed? I honestly
don't feel like it would be at that point. I
feel like I would feel like my voice has not
been heard in the overall government.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Right And and it's also you know, very you know,
it needs to be brought up that Lincoln did not
receive a uh, you know majority when you look at
the popular vote, at least now electoral vote, you know,
that's that's that's another issue.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
But when it comes to the.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Actual popular vote, uh, he received forty you know, that's
that's that's you know, God, we we hear about how
you know, or at least we heard during the last
presidential elections under you know, or the current president's last
presidential election.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I guess I was twenty sixteen.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
When he was there and talking, you know, people talked about, well,
you know, he may have won the electoral college vote,
but he did not win the popular vote. You know,
the popular vote you know, should be you know what
it is, Well, that's the case. You know, nobody received
a majority of the popular voct Stephen Douglas got you know,
roughly thirty percent, John Bell got twelve percent, John's Breckenridge

(47:09):
got eighteen percent. Lincoln only carried thirty nine percent or
forty percent of the of the entire popular effect. So
you know, it's it's not only you know, was he
not elected by a majority of Americans, But that's also
you know out of the North as well.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yeah, with the South filling neglected their influence, filling down
on the overall federal government. Again, we talked about how
the northern, the North wanted to dominate the other states,
the southern states, the abuse honestly a federal power, but
you know, they wanted to protect their businesses up north

(47:48):
because that's what was making the money, not even caring
how it would destroy southern economy.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Right well, and and there's there's there's more to it
than then the business end of it. I mean, there
was a lot of other things that that Tyler writes about,
you know, later on about like I believe you mentioned
John Brown. I think I remember reading about it as
well as some other issues that that that helped, you know,

(48:17):
towards the war. But you know, when we get to
the point of and that's that's something else. And Tyler,
I believe kind of alludes to the fact that, you know,
we were a nation built on or not a nation.
But you know that we we had so much compromise,
compromise of this, compromise of that, and and we stopped,
you know, they stopped, not us, they stopped trying to
compromise with us. And when you're you know, what's the

(48:40):
definition of insanity, It's it's beating your head against the
wall and expecting a different outcome other than pain. And indeed,
you know our Southern forefather sought that. And just like
this quote from Jefferson, to render separation preferable to eternal discord,
you know it's it's uh, I believe you know, there's
the the old divorce adage. Well, why remain in a

(49:02):
marriage that is not good for you? Go ahead and
leave the marriage instead of sit there and continue to
be abused.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, and I mean again with the talks about what
type of government we should have in this country at
that time, and a lot of the South was influenced
by Thomas Jefferson, government governs best, which governs the least?
And of course that was taken up by John C.
Calhoun and Jefferson Davis and just a lot of Suddmers

(49:37):
felt that way. And again, if you're feeling that way
and the government is just steadily wanting to grow and
not even take your opinion into an account, how should
you feel at that point? I do feel like at
that point we're beating our head against the wall. Because
again this goes back to Thomas Jefferson, the first Secretary

(49:58):
of State, third President of the United States, you add, uh,
what would that be? Eighty seventy years? I think on
top of that, the tensions were already there when Congress
was first formed.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
And the attentions were there in Philadelphia during the Constitutional Convention. Sure,
you know some of the things that I had written
down in uh, in my notes, you know, the the
part part of the thing that you know dealing with
Lincoln's election. Uh, you know, uh, but you know Lincoln's

(50:36):
election because going back to the fact that he was
not I didn't carry a single Southern state, was not
on the ballot for many of them.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Goes also to the fact that Tyler highlighting this is
a what was evidence you know for of the south
of northern dominance, you know, and he and he says
that in there that you know, I'm trying to find
it again. But the Southerners resented the attitude of Lincoln

(51:06):
and this party as a challenge to the constitutional rights
and as a determination on the part of the North
to govern the Union thereafter by virtue of mere numerical majority.
So you know what what essentially Tyler is saying there
is now that you know you are here, you are
you know or here the South is the South is
going to be relegated to a second class of citizenry.

(51:29):
You know, we were going to be forced to essentially
bow to the will of the North throughout the you know,
the entirety of the rest of the time we'd have
been in that union. So instead of you know, continuously
being subjugated by a population that that could not stand
us at this point, it's it was better for us

(51:50):
to go ahead and peacefully leave the Union, which we did.
You know, the whole thing everybody talks about the war,
you know, starting you know, after after Fort Sumter, well,
you know, Mississippi seceded from the Union. I'm just using
Mississippi as example because that's home on July or excuse me,

(52:10):
January ninth, eighteen sixty one. You know, uh, South Carolina
in December of eighteen sixty.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
The majority of the Southern states left before Lincoln came
into office, left before he you know, before he was inaugurated.
It was a peaceful secession. It was a peaceful movement.
It wasn't until Lincoln refused to you know, see the
fact that you know, hey, these the Southern states left,

(52:40):
and essentially the old story about Lincoln saying, who's going
to pay for my government that it became, and and
him not wanting to to understand that, hey, this is
a new nation that we need to work with them,
we need to have peace with them. And he was
trying to resupply Fort Sumter knowing that it would cause
hostile stility, enforcing the South's handings and firing the first shots.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
And you know, again they left before the war because
I think honestly they knew, as you said, beating your
head in the wall, getting the same results of the
federal budget grossly favored the North. And I'm not going
to get into all the tax I've touched on it,
not to mention the political power had shift more into
the North's favor. The South felt like it would be

(53:28):
more used as an economic colony that the North could use.
And let's not forget. Let's see here in my notes
that Northern corporations liked high taxes on goods that the
South imported because it would reduce competition with the European
manufacturers and allow them to charge higher prices to make

(53:51):
more money. And the taxes went to Washington. Northern industries
benefited both indirectly and directly at the expense of the
Southern agriculture. Oh yeah, yeah, they did.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
And it would be too simple too, I mean, and
just just what we're talking about. I mean, essentially that's
that was Lincoln's you know, infamous quote, who was going
to pay for my government?

Speaker 2 (54:16):
And indeed, when you.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Have a transcontinental railroad that he's trying to push, when
you have a you know, the Erie Canals and and
other things being done up north, you know, the South
was the cash cow of the of the then United States.
You know, they they needed us because without us, they

(54:38):
could not uh continue on to function as a as
a government so to speak. And you know, I'm looking
here and I see Jason talking about, you know, the
idea of UH or coming back from an S A
R meeting and you know, the same thing from no

(55:01):
difference between seventeen seventy six, eighteen sixty and now UH.
And indeed, you know, you look at it, you think
about it. UH, what was the main rallying cry for
the UH, for the for the patriot cause, No taxation
without representation And essentially that was what the North was

(55:21):
trying to do and what they showed to do, at
least with the political political election of Lincoln in eighteen sixty.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
And you know, the South again, we had enough.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
We were tired of, you know.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Continuously, you know, pushing and pushing and being pushed against
and everything like that.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
And you know, so, so we succeed it. And I
mean again, it probably would have gotten worse if we
didn't succeed. You think again, Lincoln was elected without the South.
The North was gaining power in Congress. So it was
more like the South felt like they had no representation
in this union and they felt like it was just

(56:01):
going to get worse. I don't blame them.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Yeah, so, Carl says, those of us who understand the
original intent of the Constitution and the union that it
formed are not even a second class citizenry today, no doubt.
We are an extreme minority, more kin to a tenth
rate step cousin. Yeah, no kidding. We have no representation
in the government. The Confederate leadership knew it was coming

(56:27):
and fought to prevent it.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Indeed, they did. Let me look up a statistic real
quick on the current national government. I promise it will
go into this. I'm butchering the spelling of this so

(56:59):
it might not pop up. Let's see here. So in
seventeen ninety there was one and I'm doing the House.
I haven't pulled up the Senate. There was one representative

(57:21):
for sixty thousand people. And you look at today there
it is seven hundred sixty one thousand, one hundred and
sixty nine people to every one representative. So, yes, that
is what they were fighting against. Our national government can't
represent us because how can they represent that many people.

(57:43):
I can't call my my senator and get a one
on one talk. Yeah, no, good luck with that.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Yeah, you know, I can't even get them to return
my emails anymore.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Yeah, but I could probably you know, if I know
who my state centered is, go to his office, go
see him at Jackson. It's only a couple hours from me.
I can't go to Washington and do that. Heck, if
you live in Washington, d C. It'd probably be a
pain in the butt to try to get to them anyway.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Oh well, I mean by the time you have to
go through all the metal detectors and everything like that,
I mean definitely.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Yeah. So they did see this kind of representation coming
and new that a government that we wanted ours to be,
that the founders wanted could not be accomplished with that
level of representation. It just couldn't be. Oh, I wouldn't be.

(58:42):
It wouldn't be. I mean again, my congressman, my senator
doesn't ask me how I feel about situations. But I
know my representative used to go and do public halls.
We were able to ask him question uestions about what
he's done. I was able to go talk to him. Now,

(59:05):
you know, things changed, but that's not the topic for tonight.
But again, they knew that that would be the best
way to represent the people. Again, I'm still in that
from Brian McClanahan, like, think locally, act locally. That's how
I kind of became a what I call Jeffersonian conservative

(59:27):
is listening to him and Carl Jones talk about it,
and that does plan into fact here how our governments
were supposed to be run. You know, one of my
favorite parts about watching The North and South finally was
seeing a scene where Jefferson Davis was talking about, you know,

(59:50):
the states had so much power sometimes it was hard
to do stuff, but that's what the government should have been.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Yeah, and you know, Jefferson Davis did say something akin
to that that he wished that, you know, he could
just disregard the Constitution, as Lincoln did believe.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
He said that. I believe that's I believe that's a quote.
I mean, could you imagine playing fairly by your principles?
Why someone else who says they're guarding the same principles
is openly defying those principles. Yeah, ky Lee, I'd be
so mad.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
So what else do you have in your notes there?

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Mussie? So I got a bit. As I said, most
of my notes are scattered. So let's see here. Let
me pull up these. Let's see here again. What kind

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of talked about the businesses, the Republican Party wanting to
carve out power to neutralize Southern and Jeffersonian influence again,
talking about how they wanted a more stronger national federal government,
the Hamiltonian view again to basically bully the South and
to do whatever they want.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Yeah, well that's and and that's that's the big thing.
That's what people forget and don't want to understand, is
that is that numerically, at this point, you know, they could,
I mean, there was no longer a there was no
longer an ability for for self sustaining government the way
that we would think of it today. Well, you know,

(01:01:36):
the best thing that they had was the yeah it
well it did die essentially, it did die, you know,
with with in eighteen sixty one, right, Well, sixty five.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Should be a day of mourning for this country.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Yeah, no, kid, No, That's one reason why I like,
you know what Jason says on the anniversary of Appomatics year.
It's not the fact that it was lost, it's it's
we we we more what was lost.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
And if you look at this country today and all
the struggles we have, all the horrible things that have happened,
the misjustice of power could have been avoided if we
followed that Jeffersonian point that Southern men had. So this
is what we're gonna be doing for the next couple
of weeks. Uh, you know right here what we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
So uh, we are encouraging everybody to please go to
Skippernock Press dot com uh and get a copy of
the Catechism and read it for yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
I will be saying this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Uh. You know, Mississippi, we are working on doing something
different with our Cadet Committee, our let's say Cadet committee.
We we have a we're trying to do something with
the cadet program on the division level, and one of
the things that we are working on is building stuff

(01:03:09):
for the cadets to actually be able to use. And
one of the things that we're going to be as
Harrison I read this, because we're both on the committee,
we're going to be recommending things for the division to
get these cadets and copies of the Catechism right now
is a it's on there. So and just like Frank

(01:03:31):
says in the book that this is something that every
every American needs to read, not just Southern Americans.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
So we'll be doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
We'll be kind of jumping around. Next week, we will
probably go and you know, well, unless you want to
go ahead and cover number two, I love number two
for next week.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I think we should save it because that's going to
be that one's always a deep discussion and it needs
to be so I would be good with saving.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Yeah, well we may yeah, well, I was just about
to say, looking at it, we may do sections two
and three together because they kind of cover the same topic.
So definitely, And and as we do some of these sections,

(01:04:28):
we will be bringing on guests like Carl we're gonna
be asking you to come on, you know, probably commander
in chief and other folks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
So get a copy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Get a copy today while you know you can.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
They are available online, but for us, we prefer it
would be better, in our opinion, to get a physical
copy so that you can make notes in highlight stuff
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Yes, please support those additions from a frank editor in chief. Frank,
I got one. Carl Connor has one. Before we kind
of sign off, I do want to thank a couple
historians that kind of helped me prepare for this episode.
Most prepared episode I think I've been for. I'm excited

(01:05:22):
for this series, which is uh Carl Jones and doctor
Sam Sandy Mitchum. Thank you all for y'all's help. I
am grateful and in debt. Yeah, uh so yeah that's
uh hey.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Even scream with black don't know, don't don't leave me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
You'll still see me. Yes, I can see you, I
can hear you. Well, Stevie wonder there can that? Can
that be the other part of the next season, you know,
just make Stevie Wonder jokes? Uh no, no, no, I tried.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Yeah, I mean I appreciate the effort well, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
I always try to look away to approve the show. Yeah,
but uh, please share this episode out everybody. Let's get
a lot of people. This is gonna be a great series.
I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Yeah, I think hmm, I was gonna say, I think
I think this is gonna be good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
I definitely want to encourage everybody to get a copy
and read it. Read on your own. Have some have
some talking points, because that's that's what we like. We
like to, you know, be able to communicate with y'all
on y'all's thoughts and ideas. So going through some of
the things that have been said while we were looking
at our notes, all right, uh, Carl said that George

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Mason eld it in the Philadelphia Convention. He said that
the manners, have it's and customs were too distinctly different
among these sections to be governed from the center. Today's
government is a testament to the correctness of Mason's position,
And indeed, I have to agree with Carl, and I
have to agree with George Mason, because just like we
talked about at the beginning of this episode, we were

(01:07:17):
two separate people, we still are two separate people, and
the U that that was the ultimate downfall. That and
the fact that people weren't learner willing to compromise and
discuss things anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
But that's that's definitely you know, a valid, valid point. Uh, well, go,
I was gonna say, and you think about it, I
mean it's it was very bad back then, and I
would say probably even sometimes on par with today. But
I would think that divide has only gotten bigger. Oh
it has. You can't a central government with people with

(01:07:53):
these many viewpoints on you know, how government should be ran.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Yeah, unsimple, you know, simple interpretation of you know, shall
what the words shall not mean?

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
That will call controversy. What else could call it controversy?

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
No kidding the understanding of the King's English.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Walter D.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Donnie Kennedy said link he got less than forty percent
of the of the first time, and if you counted
the southern votes, I would have voted against him in
eighteen sixty four he would have still been a minority leader. Indeed,
that is true. I can't remember I have I would
love to go back and find it. But my dad
used to say that, you know, the election of eighteen

(01:08:39):
sixty four was definitely rigged because you know, you look
at a lot of the Western troops and things like
that were not that thrilled with Lincoln, and the units
were hands selected to be able to vote back in
back in that election. So Carl Jones said that the

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North invaded for the purpose of establishing political dominance control
of the Union period. And indeed that is what you know,
the South said, that's what uh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Tyler writes.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
And then that's what we saw was political dominance. We
still see that today, Carl said, and we read that
one from Carl Jason reiterated. In fact, the first seven
states that the seat had never knew a blink in
as president. They left before he was sworn in and
came back into the Union after he was assassinated. And

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you know that is that is true, and left before
he was inaugurated. Is the big thing, left peacefully before
he was inaugurated.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
We didn't try to kick up a storm or nothing.
We just said, okay, that's Finelloyd mak you know, quotes Dickens,
who described the war as a physical quarrel fiscal money watty.
Donnie Kennedy said, well, celebrating two hundred and fifty years,
the Declaration of Independence. Don't forget these words that when
any form of government does become destructive of its own

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ends the right of the people to alter or abolishit,
government institute its own new government.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
And you know, it's almost like we tried to do that, yeah, peacefully.
We didn't even try to destroy the old.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
One, right, Doctor Sandy mitcham is Driving from Frenchburg, Virginia
to Washington often takes four hours. Yeah, And fred Wwicksburg
is right outside the Constitution, And the Confederate flag was
surrendered at Appomatics definitely definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Mentioned that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Call uh yes, exactly, Jason, that is exactly it. We
were reading the Catechism for the next couple of weeks,
the ones that we got from scuppern Ogg. We encourage
everybody to get a physical copy from Scuppernock, not only
five dollars plus shiping and handle it. And if you're

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from the old North State, you know, it's probably cheaper shipping,
and especially if you're near frank And it's something that
everybody should get. And you know, we hope that it
picks up and carries on and everybody decides to get
a copy and we use it to educate ourselves as
well as educating the general public when we're out there recruiting.

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And Carl's right, they those people don't even have Robert
Lee would say, don't even have a define, cannot even
define the word liberty the same.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Oh, I can say something, but I'm not going to
say it on this show. Yeah. No, I mean they
can't define a lot of things. Yeah, they can't even
define what type of government.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
This is my view and opinion. They can't define what
a woman is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
That's what I was going to say. They can't even
figure out that simple logic. They can't figure out what
type of government this is as roberty, they will say,
those people again, if we're so different on just that
simple level, could you imagine the more complex issues And
you start to feigure out why our founding fathers John C. Calhoun, Jefferson,

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Davis Thomas Jefferson did not want that type of government.
It didn't make any sense. It still doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
I mean, like like we talked about at the beginning
of the episode, we're all bulls down to is that
we are two different people, you know, two different people,
two different ideas, and you know, the the whole puritanical
ideology that that came from the North, that's still prevalent

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up there today, uh, but spread out to places like California.
And you know, besides, you know, there are besides Todd
and our compatriots over there, uh who were who were
doing the Lord's work in uh out there in West Dixie.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
You know, we we really uh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
We really are just two separate people that have never
gotten along and probably never will get along. And and
and you know that kind of goes back to the
whole thing of what the war was. I mean, the
whole the war was an attempt to destroy our culture,
destroy who we are, uh, and and to be you know,
a conquered people with it and not being independent people.

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And essentially, you know, we give up and mhm we
we we what makes us who we are stops you know,
and we stop being and we you know, bow down
to the Northern ideology and you know, whatever they say
we should be or should do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Mm hm hm hm.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Anyway, We're gonna go ahead and wrap it up here.
Appreciate everybody tuning in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
So I might have a surprise for everybody later. I'll
talk to Connor about it. In the second I might
be able to do it. Uh, it's a good one.
It's a good one. No, No, I mean you've tested
the surprise, right, It's not one of those surprises. Okay,
it's it's a surprise that I know nothing's on because

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it's a surprise regarding to the episode we have just filmed.
So unless something happens, now, we're good. Okay, go ahead.
Oh I think I have found a way to go
live on Instagram. Oh hey, so I'm gonna test that
out in a bit. This will be the first episode

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we have live on Instagram. Now. Of course it will
not be live live, but if you're on Instagram and
some of our Instagram viewers I know go to YouTube
to watch, should be able to go on Instagram now,
new whole new group of people we should be able

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to reach with this episode. So I'm very proud. I'll
take it. Yeah, but again, please share this episode out.
Make sure to tune in tomorrow for Tennessee Tuesdays, same
Confederate time, same Confederate channel as they bring on rich Garcia,
which I believe is their first lieutenant division commander. It

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should be a great episode. I'm looking forward to it,
and make sure to email SCVU with Outreach at gmail
dot com to have your news appear on Look Around
the Confederations this Thursday at seven pm Confederate Standard time. Yeah,
Rich has a very interesting recruiting plan I can believe
that they're doing in Tennessee. So definitely worth the watch

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for that. I don't know if that's what he's gonna
if that's what he's gonna talk about. But also maybe
sure to check out Look Around Floorida on Wednesday, same
Confederate time there, and make sure to check out Friday
Night Live which will be in the Friends of the

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Douglas South Hall Freeman group for more details an Eastern time.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
You cannot forget to continue to watch what Michael Hardy
is doing in his chat on Sunday nights.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Yes, and if you want to make sure to keep
us on there, please check out our Patreon. We have
a lot of tears we have if you just want
to support us, we have a two dollars tier of
Feta Moose tier.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Yeah, it'll help us buy corn dogs for moose.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Uh. I never thought thanked you enough for that, especially
a little graphic that goes along with it. The only
one that has a graphic. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Well, you know Ai, buddy, I can I take credit
for it, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
For ten dollars a month you can get your name
at the end of every episode as one of our
Patreon supporters. As well as the behind the scenes content.
We are going to try to be doing a bit
more of that as the we get into winter, which
is actually my less busy time of year. I know
it's actually the opposite for Connor.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Yeah, well, I mean it's it's October's busy, then you know,
it slows down to February and then it gets busy
and then it slows down again. For me, I will
say this that this October is going to be good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
We try.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
I try to write a blog post like once a
week on Patreon. Sometimes I don't hit hit the once
a week, but I try to at least give you
all that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
I'm gonna try to start coming up with some content myself.
I don't know what yet. I'm gonna have to brainstorm that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
I've got a blog post that I am going to
public tomorrow dealing with the moose video from earlier in
this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Thank you, Thank you, And for thirty dollars a month,
you can get merch tire.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Yeah, so we haven't talked about the merch tier enough,
but you know, the merch tire is something that is,
you know, kind of cool. Once a quarter you receive
something like it starts off with like a mini poster,
then a coffee mug, then a T shirt and I
think a sticker. Another sticker that's not the like the

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normal chathead sticker.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
What's on the poster.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Uh, it's one of the designs I did early on. Uh,
it's not a it's not a yet. Let me see
if I can pull it up.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
And while he's pulling that up, I'll quickly plug our
last tire and we'll go back to the merch tier.
For eight dollars a month, you can come a sponsor
of the show, so you get your name at the
beginning of the episode, in the middle of the episode,
and your name will be scrolling of course at the
end of the episode. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
And and for for those that are thinking eight dollars
a month, I mean that's roughly ten bucks an episode.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Yeah for us, so.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
You know you think about that, but you know that's.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Designed for excuse me, uh more for hmhmm.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Something else we don't talk about is the fact that
we have our own chat in there for people who
you know, want to uh want to chat with fellow
chatheads who have our own little community where you can
message each other, you know, things of that nature. Ah,

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I am looking for and I cannot find it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Let's let's let's check here. Where is it?

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
I do I think I found it?

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Oh? No, and it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Mm hmmm advanced?

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Do do do? Woller?

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
I wonder if I can pull it up here? Load
or not? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
A sticker, a mini print, a mug, and a T shirt.
So the sticker is uh the Pat Claybourne I'm with
the South and victory or defeat sticker. Yeah, so let

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me go ahead and present and then share screen and
then creators.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Not that one, this one, so we have this one.
Then the.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Mini print is a.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
Nothing fills me sadder, or nothing fills me with deeper
sadness than to see a Southern man apologize for the
defense we made of our inheritance from Jeff Davis.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Then the mug, you get a mug with the chat
flag on it. Hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
And then the T shirt has the microphone surrounded by stars. Oh,
so you do get you do get a T shirt
as well. So and of course you know there's a
bonfire store.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Yeah, so wow, I didn't know it came with all
that stuff. Heck, I'm jealous of some of y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Yeah, well, nobody has bought the merch here yet.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Everybody by the merch here.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
Yeah, I mean you're getting a you're getting a really
good deal for.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
For your buck. I mean hmmm.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
I mean, and that's thirty bucks a month, and it's
spread out for like you get something every quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Let's see here. Okay, looks it looks like I'm getting there. Hey,
I can create the live stream for our Instagram audiences. Hey,
so through stream Yard. Yeah nice. It takes a bit
more work, but I have been able to figure it out.

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So as soon as this episode ends and it gets
uploaded to stream Yard's library, I will be able to
play it on Instagram. We'll go live immediately after this.
So if you know some people that are just on Instagram,
make sure to ask them to check it out. I'm
kidding anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
We hope you've enjoyed this episode. Get your copy of
the Catechism from Frank. You know, for five dollars a piece,
you really can beat it, you know, I would suggest, uh,
you know, I don't know, maybe messaging Frank and seeing
if he can work a.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Deal for you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
That way you can get a copy or some copies
for recruitment materials. Yeah, there's a thought. Uh, you know,
especially if you have like new members that you know
need need the education, or even old members that need

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the education.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Hey we all, yeah, we all need this information. I
am extremely privileged to be a part of these episodes
so I can learn, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
I can't wait to hear Connor's take on a lot
of this. Uh. I know he's been studying it for
a long time. So I'm excited for the this series honestly,
And I'm so excited that you talked me into buying
this book.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Well, it wasn't so much as talking to like, hey,
buy this book.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Yeah yeah, Well I was like how much money? Only
got like a handful of cash on me. Luckily I
had just enough, I think, or maybe I was only
a dollar short. No, you were two bucks short.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Yeah, you had three in cash, and like, well here's
two and we'll go.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Yeah. I know at this point, I O'Connor enough to
buy him a small island.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Hey, I got a wedding coming up, and I've got
a registry.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Hey, hey, I got my wedding gift to you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Better be on the wedding Better be on the registreet.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
I got you, I got you. I got to get
you something nice. Now yeah, oh, I just looked like
a horrible, horrible friend.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Well wait till you see the groomsman gift. Gosh that
is uh, groomsman gifts are gonna be pretty good. That's
one good thing I'll say about the SCV.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
All.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
All of my grooms men are SCV members.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
So I was about to say, I think only two
of mine, maybe three of mine, are like not SCV members.
The rest of them are. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
So anyway, well, we're gonna go ahead and wrap up
the episode here and in the words of the late
and great Hill phil bar Philipods, no food more in
that elevator.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
No food more in the elevator. Rare