SCV CHAT SEASON 6 EPISODE 31-TURNING POINT

We are going to have to take a break from our Confederate Catechism series to discuss a tragedy and what it means for all of us.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Aden of updat.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Acclaim at a.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Paper at.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Aden As.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
And Cobdens of the.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Updas and Computing in Advent at the Best Aide. Well,

(02:25):
doesn't the boys talking.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Out across Dickson madn't you send me little send the
chap Man, a lot of Fred train rolling bringing truth.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Bombs down, the Nie.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
From mood in the Southland Waterway.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Out of time.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Week at a time.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Chats.

Speaker 6 (03:11):
Not now, before we get started on this episode, I
just want to go ahead and get everybody heads up
that the views and opinions expressed on this broadcast for
not necessarily those of the SCB, IT'SGC, any division, Brigade,
Camp or other subsidiary, strictly those of us who are

(03:36):
expressing them. And good evening tonight is going to be
a little bit different of an episode than what you're
used to on SCV Chat. Last week we started covering
the Confederate Catechism, and we do plan on revisiting that
topic soon. However, this evening we are going to be

(03:57):
putting a somewhat of a pin in uh that topic.
We will, as I've said, we will be revisiting it
next week, so definitely begetting your copies. Remember the Frank
Powell is selling them on scuppernog press dot com and
they are a good recruiting tool UH as many of

(04:20):
y'all are aware, unless you've been living under a rock.
This past week, uh A, what I would call an
act of domestic terrorism occurred in Utah. You know, Charlie Kirk,
who is UH who was rather a conservative commentator and

(04:42):
UH founder of Turning Point u S A a strong
voice in the UH right, you know political movement, was
gunned down and assassinated by a coward and A we
want to talk about Charlie and things like that. Harrison
and I both have a separate history dealing with with

(05:06):
Charlie and tp USA, and I'll let Harrison talk about
his experience with that, you know, here in a minute.
But it is a sad, sad thing that any type
of murder or event like that would happen, especially somebody
who is so young. Charlie was thirty one years old.

(05:30):
I'm thirty two. And and if you follow our Patreon
or if you read our posts that we put out
right after, you know the assassination occurred. You know, we
were asked or we began talking to each other about
the future of this program where we wanted to go,

(05:50):
where we wanted to take it now that we were
getting Patreon funds in and we both said that that
if we could emulate Charlie Kirk in his broadcast, his
program and what he was doing in any way, shape
or form, you know, we that's that's the format we
wanted to do. Charlie was, of course, uh, you know,
known for you know, kind of going out to to

(06:13):
college universities, and I guess that's really really how he
got famous. Besides t p U s A was his
uh want to go and have civil discussion regarding regarding
you know, issues that are not Yeah, uh, there's no

(06:35):
issue that is too tough to talk about, and Charlie,
Charlie believed that. So I want to shut up for
a second and let lets talk about Charlie and his
experience with him, and then we'll go into some more stuff.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
So I put out a post on my SEV page,
my personal page, and my political page, uh last week
describing the four main important things in my life are God, family, history,

(07:08):
and politics and how that grew. When I was at
the University of Mississippi Ole, Misspate played an indirect role
in that by pissing me off, and that pushed me
into the Colonel rev Foundation, which kind of wetted my
appetite for doing more in the SCV, since I was
already in the SUV and cared a lot about my heritage,

(07:30):
and the foundation was only about this one tradition, while
the SCV was about the full Southern tradition and our
ancestors and these great men that laid a great foundation
for us, like Roberty Lee, Jefferson, Davis, Nathan bedriand far
so on and so on. But I don't really talk

(07:52):
about how I became a quote unquote Jeffersonian during that time.
And part of that was my time as vice president
and Turning Point, where you know, I won't say that
you know, I work very close to Charlie Kirk, but
you know I watched this stuff every day. His organization
sent stuff that he had been working on for college

(08:15):
students that they needed to know and to read and
how to debate and stuff like that, And how his
organization also helped with picking a speaker for my time
over at Turnpoint to come in, and how he did

(08:35):
send us a message saying that he thinks that'd be
a great person to come over and have speak, and
then he was scheduled to come speak in October of
this year. So Charlie was kind of the first person
that gave me an awakening in politics, and Connor and
already talked about it when we first started this show.
There was a couple of people that we kind of

(08:56):
listed together that we hoped the show would turn into
and what we hoped it would set the groundwork for,
like again, like Charlie did for Young Conservative, the young
Conservative movement, we wanted to do for a young Confederate

(09:17):
heritage Southern heritage movement. That's kind of what we wanted
to start start and we took a lot of influence
from that, and in doing so, we looked a lot
into what he was doing with Turning Point and his
own show. You know, we've always described this as an
online television show, and while I got that from somebody else,

(09:41):
you know, Charlie was one of the people that started
that getting more numbers than traditional media, you know, getting
more money than CNN, or getting more viewership than CNN, Fox,
some of these juggernauts, and getting more views on a
week of and so a lot of our quote unquote

(10:03):
tenure plan that we've talked about on the show a
lot is very heavily inspired by Charlie. And again, it
was just such a shocking moment last Wednesday when I
heard about this. I still see the image of what
happened to him in my head and still cannot believe

(10:24):
what happened. I'm honestly still in shock. I'm either in
denial or anger. I go back and forth between them.
A part of me still can't believe what happens, and
the other part of me gets pissed very easily right now.
Hence why the disclaimer is just going to stay probably
at the bottom of the episode for the majority of
this one. Yeah, no kidding, because we want to be

(10:48):
unrecognizable tonight that this coming from the SEV chat team
and not the sons of Confederate Veterans.

Speaker 6 (10:56):
Yeah, we definitely try to respect the nonprofit status and
everything like that.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
And carl has a great point, and I think gonna
we were gonna talk about this a bit later, but
I do want to highlight this right now. Confederate heritage
cannot logically be separated from traditional American conservatism, and I
couldn't agree more as I said when I was in
college is when that spark got lit and I started
bugging the crap out of Connor. And this is how

(11:24):
we all started. All this friendship is because my love
for my heritage and my interest in politics coincided. What
happened in twenty twenty here in Mississippi with the flag
that was the knocking off point. What happened in twenty
twenty with the Confederate monument on campus is the kicking

(11:45):
off point. And they happened pretty close together. And that's
what kind of started this dive. I think I've talked
about it on here before and I'm not plugging it.
I'm not saying the name of it. But I do
have a actual podcast I do on politics, and that's
all you're going to get for me. But it go
It went hand in hand, and it's because, in Carl's

(12:07):
one hundred percent right, you can't take the Confederate heritage
out of traditional American conservatism. You can't. It starts with
Thomas Jefferson, it goes to John C. Calhoun, Jefferson, Davis, Robertie.
They embodied that conservatism and in a way, Charlie embodied it.

(12:28):
And as we'll talk about later. I honestly think Charlie
was starting to understand more and more about Southern culture.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
Yeah, or at least at least the struggle with preserving
our heritage.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
We'll get into that, you know, definitely later when we
start pulling up our stuff. One of the things I
love the most about Charlie, and I do think that
it would be remissed before we continue on, is how
unashame that he was for the gospel. I'm sure many
of y'all have seen the clips that have been floating

(13:02):
around the internet talking about you know, when he did
a podcast a couple of months ago, a couple of
weeks ago, and somebody asked him, how do you want
to be remembered, and he said, the thing I want
to be remember the most about it, of course, is
my faith. And indeed, uh that is uh, that that
is true, I will say, which, of course, are our

(13:25):
thoughts and prayers go out to Erica and Missus Missus
Kirk and his family, you know, and everything that's going
that they're having to go through. But uh, this morning
I was getting on TikTok and was going through my feeds,
and it's you know, almost what it's being, you know,
somewhat called the Charlie Kirk effect that people are yesterday

(13:47):
being Sunday went to church for a lot of them.
You know, I grew up in church. I grew up,
but I stopped going to church. But now I'm going
to church because of Charlie and because of the impact
Charlie hadn't we learnt about his life. So I will
say that, and I hope that that that's how Charlie
is remembered as starting a a great revival in this nation.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
You know, I do.

Speaker 6 (14:13):
I do hope that. But his his faith, it was
was something that he should be remembered for and it
should be you know, we should we should all remember
that that he was a man of faith. And of course,
you know, uh, I'm not going to try to get
on a preaching soapbox. But for the Christian death is

(14:36):
not is not the end, you know, he he you know,
the christ said that He's going to prepare a place
for us and if we're not so that he would
have told us. So, I mean, it is a uh,
you know, it is a sad moment, but we we

(14:57):
do rejoice in the fact that that that Charlie is
now with the Savior.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
I'll talk about this a bit more. But three things
I think we do need to focus on, not necessarily
as an organization but as Southern people in this fight
that will talk about a bit more as the show progresses,
is we need to focus on a revival. We do
need to focus on the spirit of this nation which

(15:25):
has been crushed, you know. And Charlie did say Jesus
defeated death, so you can live. It's all about Jesus.
And one I do want to mention is to be
Christian means to forgive the unexcusable, because God has forgive

(15:47):
the unexcusable in you, right. Something I think needs to
be talked about more is forgiveness. I'm definitely one of
those that have had to work on myself in that regard,
and I truly do think that we need to focus

(16:08):
on that as a people, as a Southern culture, which
luckily we are in the Bible Belt, so a lot
of people do understand that. And I think, actually I
don't think I know with that quote and with everything else,
and someone mentioned it to me and it kind of
has been helpful. You can't hold on to hate and

(16:30):
if Charlie could talk to who did this to him.
I do think he would forgive him. I think he
would also debate him, which I think would have been
a great debate, because he is a Christian man and
we all need to follow that. We all need to
have forgiveness in our heart because that is one of
the ways we can save this country is through forgiveness

(16:50):
and through the Gospel.

Speaker 6 (16:52):
Well, and that's one thing that I wanted to kind
of talk about about Charles's legacy is he wasn't out
there as a gotcha moment. He was more of a
I mean, in all honesty, it was a you know,
an honest to goodness, real true debate the the idea.

(17:13):
And I would dare say that everybody keeps calling him
a a right wing pundent or you know, activist, I
would dare say that that Charlie though he was not
a in I mean, he was in politics, that was
his business obviously, but you know, as he hadn't ran
for office yet, uh that that, you know, I would

(17:36):
classify him as a statesman. And you know in today's age,
when when now it's just you know, try to get
the person with the next gotcha moment or gaff Charlie was,
you know, trying to have a civil discourse and debate
and you know, these are my ideas, were your ideas,
Let's see if there is some common ground, because you know,

(17:56):
it's like Harrison and I were talking about before the
before the episode, when we stop talking as as a people,
whether you know it's it's in this collection of collection
states or whether it is you know, as as individual
states or whatever. When we stop talking, we stop having discord.

(18:19):
That's when we get to eighteen sixty one again. That's
when you know, we stop looking at the potential best
at each other, automatically assume the worst. And indeed, that's
that's what we saw last week was somebody who did
not want to do that, who saw the listen to
the ideology of one side or the other and took

(18:41):
it to an extreme measure.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
And Charlie even said that, I think he's quoted to say,
you know, I do this because when we stop having debate,
when we stopped talking, when we stopped trying to learn
from each other and even being able to agree to
not agree, is when violence happens.

Speaker 6 (18:58):
Right and it is and and you know he was
he was so wise in that one thing uh else
about Charlie that I will say that that I respected
about him is that he wanted to whether you agreed
with him or not, you know, he treated you with
the same dignity and respect that he would expect to

(19:21):
be treated And and that is very very showing of
his character because because in a in an age where
everything is so politicized and if you're not for me,
you're against me, and uh if if a certain side
of the debate wants to have some type of moral

(19:41):
uh moral absolutism where you know, they think that they're
automatically so superior and that you know, their side's automatically
right and your side's automatically wrong, which you know comes
from that puritanical thought process. I'll just go ahead and
say it. Come or you know, extremist ideology, ideology where

(20:06):
you know, again their ideology is better than yours. You know, Charlie,
Charlie wanted to hear the different opposing viewpoints.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
He did as you said, he treated them all with
respect and like carl said, he was real, he was heartfelt,
He was genuine and so love even towards his enemy,
even people that would just go up to the mic
Hey f you walk away, Charlie would be like, well,
freedom of speech, glad you came up today, have a
blessed day. And he wasn't saying it in a condescending way.

(20:36):
I've seen so many people take what I call the
Charlie blueprint and they go to our campuses and they
go talk to college students, and I think the reason
a lot some of them aren't so successful is because
they are very well. I hope you have a good day,
hope something doesn't like they they're being sarcastic, they're not

(20:57):
being genuine. And Charlie was genuine. He wanted to go
change your mind and all challenge you to.

Speaker 6 (21:06):
Change his Yeah, and at and at the end of
the day, whether you changed his mind or not, or
whether he changed your mind or not, you know, he
still wanted the He still believed in the ability, the
idea of of of differing thoughts to you know, to
go forward. And it's when you know we stop allowing

(21:27):
different thoughts different you know, ideas from happening. Is when
we get to a point where you know we're we're
we're upper creek without a paddle.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
I agree, and uh, sorry, I'm having an allergy attack
today of all days, and we do have to focus
on being that genuine when we go out. We do
have to focus on knowing our stuff. And that's why
we were so happy to start the seer Is we

(22:00):
started last Monday, because we thought it could set a
strong foundation for people to talk about this.

Speaker 6 (22:08):
Yeah, and it kind of reminds me of a quote
from Roberty Lee. I'm glad you're talking about this, which
also in capital encapulates, encapsulates. Charlie, Charlie, I love the
term auto did act. When I learned what autodidact means,
you know, that's that's I actually weirdly enough or not weirdly,

(22:32):
but I learned that term from Charlie, you know. And
that term means self educated, you know. And some of
the best historians that we have, some of our best
contributors that we have on this show, are self educated.
And Charlie was self educated. Charlie did not finish college.

(22:53):
He decided to instead, you know, found Turning Pool. But
you know, he he he read constantly, he learned constantly,
you know. And and Robert E. Lee said that the
education of a man is not completed until his death.
And you know, that's that's I mean, it's true. So

(23:15):
whether you know you you completed a PhD or whether
you completed you know, a ged, it doesn't matter. You
can still learn.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
And that is definitely something I have learned from Charlie
as well as she'll be footing. Uh, I'm gonna mess
with Carl, because it's true, Carl Jones, that you can
become a historian. You can become a highly educated person
without without the fancy letters, without the fantasy language or

(23:50):
as gonna say, the fancy letters, fancy letters, sorry, uh
troll on YouTube of all days. And we talked about
this a bit before the show, how Charlie being a
self educated man, you could actually see a lot of

(24:10):
points where he grew grew on and one of them,
as we talked about, was Southern culture, Southern history. And
I do have something and while I'm reading it, because
I think Connor has some similar to it, I'll let
him be able to pull that up.

Speaker 6 (24:26):
Yeah, you're gonna start on the twenty seventh one, or
you're gonna start on the twenty sixth.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
I think you do the twenty sixth, because I think
I have the twenty seventh.

Speaker 6 (24:37):
I've got them both pulled up, but I'll share the
one from the w to do. That's the one start
with Elon being right.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Right, yeah, and I have that when I can read
that while you're if I can get it to pull
up technical issues of the show.

Speaker 6 (24:55):
My mouse is not wanting to work for some reason.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
The left claim that destroying a century old robbery lea
statue by a great American art this represents healing. The
truth is the exact opposite. Letting the South publicly honor
its experience during the War between the States was a
major part of the nation's postwar healing, Allowing different political

(25:22):
factions to celebrate their heroes as key to part of
political harmony. Destroying the least atue isn't about healing. It's
an act of aggression, a show of dominance and hatred
by people who want America's history, to destroy it, to
change it to fit their narrative, so on and so on.

(25:43):
It's historic values and yes, it's historic people wiped out.
And I think, you know, because that's something that kind
of got me start on my own journey, is because
Charlie did say at some point that you know, during
twenty twenty he wasn't much on our side.

Speaker 6 (26:06):
Quote unquote, yeah, So in twenty twenty, you know, he
he tweeted about, you know how when Roberty Lee's citizenship
you know, came up or came up in Congress that
you know, reminded everybody that Joe Biden voted in favor
of restoring Robbery Lely's citizenship. But you know, fast forward

(26:30):
three years later, after learning, after hearing things and seeing
just how how the South was treated and still is treated,
and you know, he he completely changes his his tone
on on on things. He goes into the you know,

(26:52):
being being a supporter of preserving our history. Indeed, you know,
you see here, I don't know if you see my
mouse or not my cursor, but saying they absolutely want
your extinction, and you know, seeing that and and that
being the catalyst for this catalyst for for this response
from from Charlie and saying that Elon Musk is right

(27:13):
as a as a member of that yore is the
best way I can describe it or articulate it, rather
as being a member of the ones that that they
are trying to destroy and eradicate. You know, I do
not want you know, you know, it's it's like he's

(27:35):
standing up. It's like he's standing up.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
For me, and I think he is in that point again.
I think Charlie slowly started realizing why they were attacking
the South again. You know, I uh. I used to
mess with Charlie when I was at turning point, you know,
when we were at meetings, I would be like, you know,
Charlie's a Yankee, so we have to cut them some slack. Uh.

(27:59):
And that was kind of the running joke if we
were talking about Charlie and someone disagreed, was you know
he was a yank. Kids, Okay, we'll get them straight.
But I think he did realize a couple of years
ago why they were attacking Southern ros, why they were
attacking Southern history, because we all have seen it happen

(28:21):
to the founding and it's the complete rewrite of American
history to fit their agenda, to fit what they're pushing.
And what they're pushing is a fascist government where you
can't say what you want. And we'll get into I'll
personally get into that in a second. Are a bit
down in the episode, but he understood. You could see

(28:41):
him understand the fact. Okay, they're making up lies and
trying to twist the tooth about George Washington, of all people,
Thomas Jefferson, you know, all these great founders, these great men,
and he understood. I think that it started with the South,
because we, as I've heard a lot of SUV members
put it, are the low hanging fruit. We were the

(29:01):
easiest to attack.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
Right because we were just yeah, we're we're the backbone
of Western culture, were the last true, you know, bastion
of hope, of traditional Western values. Charlie the day before
had tweeted this historic century old Robert Lee statue by
famed American artist Henry Schradi once in charlesvill Virginia has

(29:24):
now been destroyed, forever melted down so it could be
turned into a new piece of public art, which is
guarant to be a hideous to be a hideous abomination.
It's not a surprise that the left sympathizes with Moss,
after all, their view on statues is the same as
the Talibans. And you know, again, you know, we see
Charlie's you know, understanding in that and understanding what we're

(29:49):
going through down here.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
He did, and you know, I like what you know,
some of the people have said the attack upon Southern
history was a starting point for the attack on American
history on hundred percent. That's from Commander in Chief Kennedy,
you know, Carl Jones. The ability to change positions based
on learning new information is the hallmark of honesty. And
that's something that Charlie was very open about that. You know,

(30:13):
while he hasn't you know, changed his position on like
his fundamentals, you can see right here where he's changed
his position on our heritage, our culture, and that is
because he kept learning. Recall what ari E Lee said, paraphrasing.
Of course, a patriot may do the opposite in one
circumstance that he does in another, and that motivates and

(30:37):
the motivation that compels him the desire to do right
is precisely the same. And I want to thank carl
for that. But that was Charlie. He wanted to tell
the truth. He wanted to people to change his mind.
And as you can see, someone maybe started planning the
seeds in his mind about our heritage, or maybe he

(30:57):
saw it and saw himself. As I said, he was
a very intelligent man, bless his heart. I was watching
a debate of his where he went to some of
the top colleges in Europe, and I think in one
of the interviews Charlie was like, he was at Oxford. Yeah,
he was at Oxford. And I think one he did
at Cambridge a couple of years before he did the

(31:19):
Oxford one. I think the funny interview I saw was
they were like, so, how do you think they did?
You did, and Charlie I was like, well, he's like
that first one was a bit different and he admitted that,
you know, he wasn't ready for that debate. And then
a couple of years later when he went to Oxford,
they were like, how do you think you did on
that one? He was like, oh, I did good. You know,

(31:41):
I had a lot of people come to me after
that one and he did you can go look. I
watched both of them, and I will agree Charlie, bless
his heart, did not know. You can tell that he
was about to get in a debate with some of
the most educated people in that part of the world.
And the second one he came prepared and he continued

(32:06):
to learn, and he was honest about himself. He was honest.
If he was cart off guard, he was honest. If
he was like you know what I might not have
the answers, but I'll get back and give you the answers.
And I think that honesty is why a lot of
youth resgnated with him. Oh yeah, the youth do like
people that have all the answers, but they also don't

(32:28):
like someone lying that they have all the answers when
they obviously don't. And that's what we have to know
about going up to this youth. If they've been brainwashed
that they think that these people they are following know
the truth. But what they'll know sooner or later is
that they've been lied to. And if there's one thing

(32:48):
young people don't like is being lied to figuring out
someone has lied to them. So I think that's very
important to put in the back of your head as well.
As I said, knowing your stuff, Yeah, not the most educated,
but the most indoctrinated. Yes, but you could you could

(33:10):
tell that, you know, they knew a couple of good
facts off the top of the head. Again, I think
Charlie said that they put out like a week before
that he knew that the university knew who was coming
to get ready, So these kids had a week to
prepare for Charlie and Charlie had like a day again.

(33:31):
I felt bad for him. I couldn't imagine going to
that environment. But I think that's also very key. Charlie
was the spirit of that American conservative movement, and as
someone said, I can't remember who I think it was,
carl You can't separate that from the South, because our
people are the ones that founded that belief. And I

(33:54):
think as Charlie got more educated, got more experienced, I
couldn't imagine how good he would have gotten. I think
a lot of people were woken up by the attacks
on American history and saw the truth, and I think
Charlie was one of them too. And again, knowing your

(34:20):
stuff is extremely important. If you don't, that's okay. I'm
not a debater. I will if you have seen an
episode that I have produced by myself versus an episode
Connor has produced, sometimes you're going to see a lot
more facts, a lot more statistics, a lot more education

(34:40):
because Connor knows his stuff pretty well. I have made
no exception in telling everybody I do not. I'm still
on this journey to learn all that stuff. But I
still come here every Monday, every Thursday, some tuesdays now
and try my b to help, whether it's sharing stuff out,

(35:04):
asking questions that maybe the audience has are sometimes actually
being able to contribute or say a couple of things
every now and then. And I can't point out how
important that is. We all have to share stuff out.
We all have to show this to people in public. Hey,
you know, did you see this? You know sev chat

(35:25):
did an episode on Confederate cavo. I'm not gonna be
able to say that word now, Connor Kat okay, thank you.
And you know, this is what they say about secession.
This is what they say on next week's episode. You know,
so on and so on and so on. We've done
a lot of great episodes on debates on the viewpoint
of our history, and other people have done the same.

(35:48):
Share that out. You don't have to be a full
fledged debater. If you can't keep your anger in check,
if you can't retain knowledge that well, if you get nervous,
that's all fine. But there's a place for everybody in
this fight. And again, Charlie started somewhere. Charlie was just
an eighteen year old kid when he started this with

(36:08):
an idea, with an idea, and you can be like
that too, So don't let nerves get you. And if
you obviously do feel like maybe I'm not the debater,
be the person that shares the information, right. And I
think that's a very important takeaway because.

Speaker 6 (36:27):
Well, I was gonna say it is very important because
you know, you look at it having you know, you know,
the the reason why Charlie got so popular. Yes, turning
point you know, helped him get popular.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
But yeah, the.

Speaker 6 (36:53):
But the fact that he was going to these debates
and he was using social media to his advantage and
he was going and trying to going and trying to
influence young minds and connecting and resonating with with that
that younger ideology is the reason why he had so
much success. And because he was putting it on social media,

(37:15):
people were able to watch it, people were able to Okay,
well this is you know, this is this is the idea,
and it was able to spread like wildfire. That's that
was That's the big thing on it is that he
was able to use it to his advantage. And you know,
if no matter what it is, share it out there.
You have to share it out there.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
And I think again that's very important. I have been
trying my heart is to share stuff out there I
like and something that I got from Brian McClanahan and
I was I'm a Patreon supporter of his. Uh, that's
our plug for our Patreon. Also this episode, hey, I

(37:59):
have to somewhat keep it light or I'm going to
lose myself. But you know, I asked him, you know
what does he think about getting out education or starting
my own educational journey, and he said, in today's social
media age, it is the easiest to get out information.

(38:20):
It is the easiest to help people learn how to
use social media. We've talked about this a lot, and
we've talked about how the sev needs to use social media.
Are the Southerner person in general, and we have to
learn that everybody. You know, I was guilty. I was
no matter if I'm generation Z. I did not understand

(38:43):
social media and I had to grow to understand social
media because it is a very important part of educating.
So I will one hundred percent agree with Connor. Share
this stuff out. Learn your stuff. If you want to
debate and you got a cool head, you think you
can do it, learn your stuff and start small. That's

(39:03):
what Charlie did you know Charlie went from you know,
just doing a chapter meeting and going to talk to
you know, maybe five ten students to filling up stadiums
of people that maybe not all of them are in
his Turning Point chapter there, but they all wanted to
come learn, they all wanted to debate, they all wanted

(39:24):
to come in with an open well, most of them
come in with an open mind, to be persuaded, to
be talked to. And that's what we have to do.
I couldn't agree more, you know, And I think that's
also part of Charlie's legacy. You know, his main legacy
will always be that he's a Christian man that defended
the faith and went out and spread the Gospel, and
that should be all of our goals as Christian Southerners.

(39:48):
But he also had this very big dedication to education
and this fight, this cultural war that we are in
for the soul of this for the soul of American
heritage as a whole, is going to be political, It
is going to be historical, It is going to be

(40:09):
needing a revival. You know. One of those is creating
you know, everlasting change. One of those is correcting the
history and teaching the other one is for this country's soul,
and we can all use social media on those things.
So yeah, no, I agree, we definitely need to focus
on suv like our social media, like Charlie did.

Speaker 6 (40:33):
Well, and I was going to go ahead, and you know,
if you want to, we can go ahead and take
our quick break and then when we come back, we
can kind of talk about what we can learn exactly,
you know, in more detail from from Charlie's example, if
you want.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Yeah, no, I think we both have a decent bit
on that. So yeah, and let me. I have to
get all the way down because I have not given
been banners. Would you say, queue it up? Yeah, I
have not had anything ready. Of course. This commercial break
is sponsored by our website, our Patreon, and doctor Chris Cummins.

(41:14):
If you were in the Oxford region and you just
need a good Southern doctor, someone to treat you goods,
treat you with Southern hospitality, go check out doctor Chris Cummins.
They do specialize in nee pain, which is one of
the reasons I definitely need to go see him, So
go check them out. And we want to thank our
sponsors for this episode.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
There is a place nestled and the rolling farmland of
southern Middle Tennessee. A home constructed in eighteen thirty seven,
nearly lost to the ravages of war, saved by.

Speaker 6 (41:54):
A servant.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
And a Confederate general. A place where families loved and lost.
If walls could talk, what stories could be told. If
a place, a home can feel love, loss, pain. Surely

(42:22):
this is one of those places. Nearby is a more
recent structure, and inside are the stories of heroes and heroines,
stories of battles won and lost, stories of sacrifices made
by the people of its native soil. A place that

(42:43):
will tell the true and complete story of the Southland
and the war fought for its freedom, from the causes
that led to the conflict, to the modern day struggles
to protect Southern history. Historic Elm Springs in the Confederate

(43:06):
Museum at Holme Springs are the general headquarters for the
Sons of Confederate Veterans, a place where the story of
the Southland and its historic struggle is preserved and told.
Come and discover your history.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Welcome back. And I guess one thing I do want
to point out about Charlie is Charlie never promoted violence.
He never thought that was the answer for what was
ailing America, and I do agree with that we have

(43:53):
to fight this battle a certain way and violence is
not going to solve it. As you've seen this week,
a lot of people's reaction to this has just been praying,
holding memorials, are getting in the fight? Are all three right?
And I think that's something we do need to take

(44:14):
away from Charlie was the fact that he wanted to
go out there and just change people mind and talk
to people, and he never promoted violence. He always asked
that people in the crowd respect someone with a different opinion,
even if they weren't respecting us, because, honestly, not only
is that a Christian trait, I do believe that it's

(44:35):
a Southern trait. I think Southerners are very understanding of
people different viewpoints because we do come from the philosophy,
to quote Jefferson Davis, all we want to do is
be left alone, right, So I think we're more understanding
in that regard of people different opinions. I know we

(44:55):
can all look at each other and be like, I'm
not gonna agree with that. I can't. Me and Connor
have had those conversations, and me and Connor will continuously
try to change each other's mind I don't think there's
been maybe a handful of times we've changed each other's
minds on something. But at the end of the day,
that's what southerns are. So I think that's something very

(45:18):
important that we have to put out there. Not only
do we need to go out and have it be
unapologetic Christians. Not only do we need to go out
there and protect free speech, go out there and never
promote violence. Control your emotions because the enemy is trying
to rage bate you. They want that response because they

(45:40):
know that that is what's going to be reported on,
not the winds. You have to understand social media and
how to use it, and it is key, trust me,
it is the biggest tool that we have. It is
going to be the defining point of this war is
how we use social media. And I think those are

(46:01):
just a couple of mine.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
If Connor kind of wants to jump in, you can,
because I have a couple of things, but I'm kind
of going to save them for last.

Speaker 6 (46:13):
Uh yeah, well, I mean, you know, uh just kind
of like what what what we've all been saying is
we have to we had to be Randy ready to
get up and and you know, take part of the
struggle no matter no matter what it is. You know,
Charlie was not afraid to do what was right at

(46:35):
the time. He was always wanting to continue to move on.
So yeah, that's that's uh, that's it. One thing that
you know, Uh, do you want to talk about where
we go from here as the show and some of
the stuff that we've received in the past, or do

(46:55):
you want where you want to go with this? Because
I'm looking at the time and got about two minutes left.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
So we can go into that, and I'll go ahead
and kind of give my closing on the Charlie topic,
and then we can go into kind of what's next
for the show, because I know you got your you
know stuff on that, and I just want to say
when it comes to the future of how we need

(47:23):
to act, is you know, quoting Charlie, good men must die,
but death cannot kill their names. Charlie was fearless. I
don't think Charlie started this with the idea that he
was going to be in danger. I know that I
have gotten death threats. I know Connor has gotten death threats.
I know the overall show has gotten death threats, which

(47:43):
you know they want to come down. Apparently, Connor, I
don't know if you remember this, but we have a
huge complex and they were going to burn that down.
I didn't know sub chat had that type of money.
Where is it? Apparently it's somewhere in Mississippi. I don't
know where, but that was one of the stuff I got.

(48:04):
But I never took them seriously until now. And I
think Charlie knew as he got bigger in the youth
movement that it was becoming a possibility that he could
be hurt. And I think he even said it is
the job of us to stick our necks out and

(48:28):
get ready and have no fear. And I want to
stress on that tonight. It is okay to be afraid.
I know a lot of people are going to say
they're not. I'm gonna be honest. When this first happened,
you know, we said it all over the show. Who's
the low hanging fruit? Yes, And so I was just thinking,

(48:52):
if they could do that to Charlie, when are they
gonna starting after us? And not us as an SUV chat,
but I meant the SCV and just Southerners in general,
that have this belief that we need to honor our
ancestors and their culture and their values. When are we
that's gonna happen to us. I was scared and I'm

(49:14):
still scared, but I know that the Lord will protect me.
And to quote Stonewall Jackson, I'm gonna paraphrase here because
I didn't expect to use this, but it's popping in
my head. The Lord makes me feel as safe on
the battlefields as I am in bed. And Charlie also

(49:35):
had that fearness. Fearlessness, and we have to have that
because we are in a cultural war. We are at
a point where our enemy is violent and that could
result in something horrific happening, as it did this past Wednesday.

(49:57):
And I want to tell you why I'm geared but
still doing this. I want to tell you why I,
Harrison F. Dolls Moose, am still putting my face out there,
still wearing this flag, while I'm still going out there
and putting myself on the line. And me and Connor
talked about this before the show, but when I got
involved in this, my major concern was the sev in

(50:18):
Southern culture would not be available for my kids, my
grandkids and my great grandkids. I felt like they would
be ashamed and at some point turn away from it,
with the end of goal being the destruction of our
culture and our heritage. That was my main fear. And
now I have to worry about are they going to
get shot? Are they going to be bullied into a

(50:41):
fascist government that won't let them says that you've seen
in the UK. Right now people can pray in their
own homes and be arrested. So now where I was thinking,
you know, worst case scenario, I'm going to have to
teach everything to my kids at my house. I can
only have my battle flags at my house. Now it's
gotten to the point where I can't even have this
at my house. If we lose, we cannot be afraid.

(51:07):
The time has passed for that. S O. Dalls was
a Calvary man in Mississippi, and he knew when he
signed up that there was a chance that he would die.
And I honestly never thought I would have to face
that decision. And I don't know. I didn't know what
I was going to do if I ever did have

(51:27):
to face that decision, And now I do. While I
don't want it, while I hope it never happens. While
you will probably see me hit the deck if it does,
I will be hiding. I'm mad enough to say it now.
I have to because I know Jesus already conquered death

(51:52):
for me. I know where I'm going. I have that faith,
but now I have to have the faith that this
is what he wants me to do and this is
how I need to do it. And I want to
challenge everybody tonight. It's okay to be scared, but you
cannot let that fear control you. It is okay to
be worried. You know, me and Connor are both young men.

(52:18):
Connor not so much. Connor is just an adult males.
You're welcome, but you know we still are just starting
our lives. As Charlie was, he was a husband and
a father to a three year old and like an
eight month old that were in attendance when this happened.

(52:42):
And her response to that was never surrender. And we
have to have that mentality, you know, I have to
go out there knowing that something horrific could happen.

Speaker 6 (52:56):
Well, and my thing, my thing on it is because
because I am going to different point in life than
than you are, moved and and you know it's has
been said. You know, my thing is I'm willing to
live for my cause. You know, they're they're like the

(53:16):
the guy who committed this act, he thought that he would.
You know, from what I've heard is he had thought about,
you know, offering himself. He thought that he was going
to get away with it, which you know, in today's
age with social media and everything like that, you're not
gonna get away with any type of crime. I mean,

(53:39):
plain and simple, and it's it's premeditated anything, any crime,
no matter what it is, You're not going to get
away with it. So go ahead and get that out
of your mind, folks. But you know, he he was,
he was willing to end it all.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
I'm willing.

Speaker 6 (53:53):
It's a lot harder to live and struggle through through
whatever it is, no matter what your cause is, and
and continue to fight for it every single day. Then
then it is to just you know, I'm just gonna
give up, and I'm I'm wanting to take the example

(54:14):
that Charlie left for us and continue on and every day,
continue to you know, continue to fight for the struggle,
continue to fight for our heritage. You know, just just
like it was said you know, during the during the campaign,
fight fight fight. You know, again my views, my opinions
if you are picking up or I'm putting down from

(54:36):
that quote. But we you know, we have to do that.
And and you know, it's it's it's a crazy time
to be alive, for sure, But that all being said,
you know, it was a crazy time in the eighteen sixties,
and you know now it's just we need to take
the the resolve that we have, just like you know,
Erica kirkt it, you know, the the anger that we have,

(54:58):
the whatever for frustration we have with the situation, and
turn that into our resolve to not give up our
struggle to maintain our culture, our history and that of
these United States.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
And uh, I couldn't agree more connor. It's we are
facing a similar thing that our ancestors face in eighteen
sixty one. Now the question is are we going to
fight like they did?

Speaker 6 (55:31):
And in this case it's not you know, physical altercations.
It is a sure are we're gonna are we gonna
sit there or a we're gonna sit there and take it.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Like like the.

Speaker 6 (55:48):
Morally superior idell ideologues want us to or not.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
Agreed and before we kind of go to what's next
for SCV chat. That's so and you can take away
from Charlie Kirk and I want to challenge everybody to
go out and recruit, to go out and get involved,
to use social media like Charlie did to the point
where he created this huge youth movement, and we have

(56:15):
to create that people. We have to go out and educate, share.
Everybody has a part to play. And you know I've
talked about my viewpoints. The infighting has to stop because
our enemies are already hitting us hard enough. We have
to unite. We have to put it behind us for
the good of our heritage, for the good of our ancestors,

(56:36):
because it's now or never. Everybody has a part to play.
It is your goal to find out what part you're
playing and what you can do to help recruitment, retention,
social media, push, educating, debating, what have you. There's hundreds
of things you can do to help and get involved,

(56:58):
and that is one of the things you can learn
from Charlie and find your niche find what you have
and use it if you kind of want to take
the reins and take us to the end on what's
next for us here.

Speaker 6 (57:13):
Yeah. So so what's next for us here is obviously
well and echo what Carl just said, recruit it's not
just the organization but to the cause exactly.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
Uh So, so the.

Speaker 6 (57:28):
Future of CHAT is we're not going away, you know,
the the morally superior leftist uh you know, idea log
that uh yeah, fascist ideologues, which which you know, I
know they call us that, and you know everybody wants
us to turn down, tone down the calling, you know, name,

(57:48):
name calling and all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Fascist hate group, the R word.

Speaker 6 (57:53):
Yeah. Uh My My thing on it is, you know,
we're not We're not We're not. We're not going anywhere.
We I refuse for us to go anywhere and do anything.
We have put too much time, uh, too much effort,
and it's our ancestors preserve more than than the what

(58:16):
what they want. The more that to to for us
to sit back and surrender is to end cowar and
fear is giving into exactly what they want. We're not
going to do that. You know, we are going to
continue with doing what we need to do.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (58:32):
We're going to ask y'all to continue on doing what
y'all need to do. Support us, you know, help us out,
let us, you know, get and continue to reach more
and more people. You know, Charlie, I'll give him this.
You know, when he started turning point and everything like that,
he launched a revolution that has created the largest growth
of conservatism in you know, a young generation that that

(58:58):
we've seen in a while. You know, I dare say
since it almost reminds me of I can't remember the
name of the show, but it had Michael J. Fox
in it, and you know he is a you know,
conservative almost Reagan supporter, and and I'm I'm reminded of that.

(59:19):
But you know, now's the time to capitalize on it.
Now's the time to get out there, do something in
the areas for the for the youth, Do something with youth.
Youth are not scary, no, you know, a lot of them,
a lot of them, you know, I imagine identify with
us more than we give them credit for.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
I think a lot of them support us without even
knowing it, right. I think if we explain to them
who we are, they will join us.

Speaker 6 (59:54):
And and and and also educate yourself, educate your membership,
get ready for are those tough questions be able to
defend the costs? Because you know we're charged to do that.
Be ready to do that, you know, and whatever public forum,
public setting you find yourself in, don't rely on just
you know, hearing you know, my word for it, or

(01:00:15):
Harrison's word for it, or Carl's word for it, or
even Brian mcclanahan's word for it. But use those resources
to to help you with that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Exactly. And as we have hinted at a lot on
the show, we have a lot of great things planned.
Uh we are going to with y'all's help, and we
still need some help here, so I'm putting the Patreon
link in the chat again. We have some some good

(01:00:49):
stuff planned. I think you'd catch some traction if we
can get the help. And I think it's time that
we start our own movement. And it's going to take time,
but I know me and Connor in it for the
long call. I know that we have ten year plans
for not only sev Chat, but you know, beyond scv chat.

(01:01:10):
And we're not even talking about the organization but what
we think scv chat can be a launching pad for.
So please, you know, stay tuned. We do have a
lot of great things planned. I can't wait to share it. Out.
We'll we're gonna be doing some cool things and we

(01:01:36):
hope that you come tonight and learn something, got fired up,
want to do something, or if you were coming to
mourn with us. I know someone said it was a
very hard week, and I have to agree with that.
It was a very hard week. It was hard to
focus on anything else. You know. I will contribute to

(01:01:57):
sev in helping me deal with all this because I
had my camp meeting Thursday and that really brought me
a sense of you know, peace and of course church.
You know it's it's going to get better, and I
believe can win. I know we can win. We just

(01:02:18):
have to get down in the trenches and get ready.
This is not a fight that we're gonna win with
our fists, are with violence. We're going to win it
with our knowledge, with how dedicated we are to the youth,
how dedicated we are to social media, and how dedicated
we are to.

Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
The cause, and how dedicated we are to each other. Amen,
Because I mean, at the end of the day, you know,
you can, just like we've talked about, you can disagree
with somebody. You can think that you know, oh my goodness,
this guy's throwing this outdated idea that you know, we've tried,
and we've tried, and we've tried, and it just and

(01:02:59):
we've tried. But you know, hey, at the end of
the day, at least he's wanting to do something. So yeah,
support your brothers in the cause. Please, please support your brothers.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
And I couldn't agree more Connor, that's all about stopping
the in fighting and come together because yeah, some ideas,
like you said that, they may be played out a
good bit, but that person's wanting to do something. You know,
they might not take a good a good approach to

(01:03:31):
how you tell them that, but you know, at least
they're trying, and maybe you can put in a bit
of work to help it out some Maybe you can
put in some work to your idea and see what
fruits may bear.

Speaker 6 (01:03:47):
Anyway, we're going to wrap this episode up right about now.
Remember that tomorrow there's a week you have a Newish
show look around or not look around, excuse me, Tennessee
Tuesday with John Blanket Ship and past Commander in Chief

(01:04:08):
Jason both shars, So tune in for that. I'm sure
that they will be doing something great. I regretfully will
not be able to because I'm in the middle of
relocating my house. Yeah. So it's just one of those
things that boy howdy, I cannot wait for to be

(01:04:34):
done with that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
I hate moving with a burning passion. So I know
what you're talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:04:39):
This is this is uh different different this time. So
we'll say this just to give you all a little
bit of you know, cool things.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:04:50):
You know, a couple of months ago we were going
through our and if you had answered your phone last night,
you could have found out this beforehand.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:05:02):
Well, you know, hey, it's just by that point it
was too late. So the probably the coolest thing I
have ever found SCV wise, history wise, is the General
Order that named doctor McCain Adjudant in chief. And it's

(01:05:25):
the order that we, you know, say, is credit with
saving the s EV. But I found something else that
is equally cool, uh in my dad's files, you know,
so yeah, never guess what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
It is about a.

Speaker 6 (01:05:48):
Ten to fifteen page biography written by doctor McCain on
a Nathan Bedford Forest.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
I hate you right now.

Speaker 6 (01:06:02):
You know, if you'd answered your phone, you could have
hated me last night. If only if I knew somebody
who could publish panthers.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
And luckily we know someone. Yeah, no kidding, calls him
out on the middle of the ship.

Speaker 6 (01:06:24):
Hopefully he can work with us on you know, maybe
getting that published at some point in the future.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Hey, I'll be the heck of a salesman for it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:34):
For doctor McCain, Well, my big thing is, uh Adam
Adam did answer his phone. He found out.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
I'm sorry, he calls me when I'm eating supper and
we have a rule at the dinner table we don't
answer the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
And then he called dad and Dad answered the phone.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
Yeah. Well, and he found out.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
He didn't even tell me, he just he just went
on with his night.

Speaker 6 (01:07:05):
Yeah, well, sounds like you enforced conversation. You need to
have their missing Nah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
No, I ain't touching that one. But yeah, tune in
Tuesday for Tennessee Tuesdays and.

Speaker 6 (01:07:19):
We have a look around Florida, Sean mccauda, get.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
That very true. And of course, uh, Sunday we have
He's renamed his showed. I think it's history with Hardy. H.

Speaker 6 (01:07:33):
I like the alliteration Michael C. Hardy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Yeah, that's it's beautiful. Uh. So congratulations, I know he
has some interesting things he wants to kind of do.
So we wish you the best of luck. Please go
support Michael C. Hardy and of course, uh the friends
of the Douglas South haf Freeman Group Friday Night Live
with David Pope. Go check him out. And uh, I

(01:07:57):
guess that's kind of everything. I do have a picture
to put up after we're done with everything. It's just
a memorial.

Speaker 6 (01:08:04):
You also, well, you also have Thursday, yes, look around
the confederation.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
Yes, yes, please please make sure to check it out
and send in news.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
We missed last Thursday, but that was just a scheduling
issue that could not be overcome. Hopefully we can get
it out there this week. We will be looking into
that after this episode.

Speaker 6 (01:08:31):
Yeah, Kyle sending news. We know y'all doing things in Kentucky.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Kyle will send me like a six page thing, which
is great. Everybody please do that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:40):
That helps a lot, Yeah, because then when you have
young people say, well, what does the sons of Confederate
veterans do?

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Boom, there it is, but I guess without any further ado, no,
no food and uh rare rare fropid people, rare frop it.

(01:09:11):
That is a picture I found of Charlie at Washington
Lee College or University. So UH rest in peace, Charlie,
and we will. Uh we're carrying on your legacy over here.
We challenge everybody to join us and doing the same.
Good Night

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
M Ament.