Samuel Little - Serial Killer Documentary - 93 Bodies： Serial Killer Exposed The Truth

Samuel Little - Serial Killer Documentary - 93 Bodies： Serial Killer Exposed The Truth

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
James b Home with the Texas Rangers interviewing Samuel Little
at the Palmdale President Unit, California Barrel Corrections.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I tried to trus back too, man. I became a
track till with strokes.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
He might just be the most prolific serial killer in
US history. He came down on my neck with his
thumbs like that, just as I like it when you swallow.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
He is literally haunting these women for close to four decades.
I'm getting away with it.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Oh, that's so crazy. Somewhere over that's the crust.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
When it became clear to people like Samuel Little that
they could hunt black women and girls, That's what they did.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Samuel Little could be the wayt serial killer in American history,
but you've probably never heard of him. Investigators think he
may have been born in prison to a mother who
abandoned them. Early in his life, he was a drifter,
spending his time on the roads, but he had a
much darker side.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Saint Louis. On the rest, there was a phoenix.

Speaker 6 (02:04):
Absolutly shure, are any bodies buried anywhere?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
There is real.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
What you've just listened to has never been broadcast before.
It's audio from a series of police interviews recorded in
May eighteen. In them, Samuel Little confesses to murder after
murder after murder. They're so detailed and so specific that
they're helping police forces across the US solved decades old
murders for forty years. He claims to have killed across

(02:43):
the whole country. Now I'm telling a story for the
first time.

Speaker 7 (03:00):
So I've been to Los Angeles quite a few times,
but I've never been around here. This is the darker underbelly,
the place most people don't see, and it's also where
my sage to find out about sam Little, the serial
killer begins. Samuel Little was finally put behind bars in

(03:31):
twenty fourteen. He was convicted of killing three women in
the nineteen eighties. The bodies were found around here, close
to where I'm driving. Now I'm going to meet Brenda.
Her mother, Carol, was one of the women he was
convicted of murdering. To understand the story of Samuel Little,

(03:52):
I have to understand how it all came to an end.

Speaker 8 (03:56):
Hey, how are you doing. Are you Brenda? Really nice
to meet you.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
How's your day going?

Speaker 5 (04:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (04:11):
This is my favorite picture right here.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
She looks like the Queen or something, or that she
got a friendly face. What can you remember about when
when she passed away?

Speaker 9 (04:27):
I was pregnant and I was sleep and a bang, bang,
bang bang on the front door, and it was my
neighbor telling me to get up, put on something, put
on something. It's about your mother. And I had to
identify she okay, but she's not breathed, you know, but
I see her feet straight up. Yeah, so yeah, I

(04:58):
found out everything later wrong.

Speaker 8 (05:00):
How you know.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
She was murdered? So what did they say had happened
at that time?

Speaker 9 (05:06):
Strangles, strayngalas, you know, were they saying to you, we
think we can solve this case.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
We'll find out who did it.

Speaker 9 (05:18):
Matter of fact, No, no, I didn't hear from no one.
I didn't here from anyone for a long time.

Speaker 8 (05:26):
That's the crazy, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
That is.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Brenda finally found out who killed him mum. Twenty five
years later, she got a call from the police. Samuel
Little had been arrested.

Speaker 10 (05:43):
It convicted South La serial killer has received three consecutive
life sentences in prison for strangling three women in the eighties.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
He was convicted for the nineteen eighty seven murders of
Brenda's mum and two other women. It was down to
DNA analysis that wasn't available at the time. They had
finally got them for murder. But after four years something
extraordinary happened.

Speaker 11 (06:10):
And now to a major discovery.

Speaker 10 (06:13):
A man who maybe the worst serial killer in US history,
Samuel Little, is already behind barn for murder and now
he said he killed around ninety people since the nineteen seventy.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
The first maurd that he's confessed to is from nineteen
seventy and his last was two thousand and five.

Speaker 10 (06:39):
The FBI is asking the public for help and information.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
The FBI have told us that using existing evidence and
the new information from his confessions, they've confirmed at least
forty six of the meurdis and so far have linked
them to another twelve, putting him on course to be
the most prolific serial killer in American history. This is
so early on this in nineteen seventy two, and you

(07:04):
do just look at his face here and think, how
could any person do that. I'm looking at some of
the pictures of the women's lives he ruined here that
this is probably like ten max. He's thought to have
killed potentially eighty more and he is literally hunting these

(07:24):
women for close to four decades and getting away with it.
The pictures you're looking at were drawn by Samuel Little
himself that the women he claims to have killed. Since confessing,

(07:47):
has been drawing more and more faces that haven't been
seen by anyone for years and whose disappearances were rarely
reported or noticed. Family members have even wreckedgized, they lost
loved ones from them. So I actually have the original
audio of Samuel Little confessing, seven hours of it. I'm

(08:12):
the first journalist to get ahold of the recordings.

Speaker 12 (08:23):
Is not I see what did you do?

Speaker 4 (08:26):
If?

Speaker 2 (08:28):
What would you do? What'd you say? Much Jack could do? Yeah? Yeah, blessed.

Speaker 12 (08:40):
Ship leaves with all.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
He's so proud of everything he's done. Actually makes you
feel sick. It's not hard to see why the police
believe them. He just describes everything in so much detail,
is so specific, and he also explains in there why
he thinks he wasn't caught, and for him, it's not
just DNA, it's because of who he was going after.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, I retrieve fel it would be missed. Past treats,
fasttreats plus time.

Speaker 8 (09:25):
You like girls better.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
From seventeen, Samuel Little was on the wrong side of
the law. He was arrested nearly one hundred times over
his fifty year crime spree. A lot of the time
the crimes were petty and he was let go due
to insufficient evidence. As early as nineteen seventy six, though
he was convicted for rape, but he was only given

(09:55):
three months in jail. He'd constantly move between states, spending
time in see the bars, red light areas. He was
always on the lookout for women nobody else was paying
attention to. I'd found someone who was a prostitute on

(10:18):
these streets at the same time Samuel Little was here.
Her name is Tika Thornton.

Speaker 13 (10:24):
This is one of the oldest tracks or streets that's
known for a prostitution.

Speaker 8 (10:32):
There's one on this corner here.

Speaker 13 (10:37):
There's one on this corner here.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
It's just completely in plain sight, but you don't see
it unless you're.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Looking for it.

Speaker 8 (10:46):
Yeah, there's two ladies. They were just chatting to that car.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Had you head of women going missus all the time?
Did you ever feel protected by the play when you
were working on this road?

Speaker 13 (11:02):
The police were part of the problem.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
In my mind, I have.

Speaker 13 (11:06):
Been on the streets, and police have called me a
hoe or a slut, so it's very easy for them
to think that we're just that people. No one is
born a bad person.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
The worst thing of all of it is just how
disposable these sex workers.

Speaker 8 (11:32):
Seem to be.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
The eighties when Samuel Little was here, were a dark
time for LA. It was in the grip of a
crack cocaine epidemic and hundreds of women who died on
the streets were unaccounted for. And Samuel Little wasn't the
only murderer around. There were other serial killers operating in
Los Angeles during this period. Was anyone protecting these women? Hello, Nana,

(12:02):
I'm ben Nana Jumfi has been a civil rights lawyer
for twenty years here and she's been looking into the
Samya Little case. No one knows about.

Speaker 8 (12:15):
No one knows about his victims.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
Yeah, because it's victims aren't white women. If you are
a black woman and you are a sex worker, or
you are an addict, then you are deserving of any
horrible and terrible thing that happens to you.

Speaker 8 (12:31):
Doc isn't ever nice, but.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
That's the mentality, right. And when we look at the
police reports that LAPD put together, so many of them
have at the top Nhi nhi standing for no human involvement.
The police literally describe this in which no human was involved.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
They're literally saying no human even the victim.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
Yeah, that's what they're talking about. That's correct, that's what
they're saying, that that person is not a human being.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
I tried to check these claims with the Los Angeles
Police Department, that the police would actually refer to a
victim of a murder as not human. They refused to comment.
But I've managed to find one former LAPD detective who
was willing to talk to me about Samuel Little, and
that's where I'm going next if the FBI verify his claims.

(13:29):
Samuel Little is on course to be the most prolific
serial killer America has ever known, and the police didn't
stop him for decades. Why the LAPD wouldn't talk to
me about it? But there was one man who would.
He was a retired detective who for thirty years was
to go to authority on the homicide scene in LA

(13:51):
His name is Rick Jackson. You worked in the police
for decades. How is it possible for someone like some
Little to exist?

Speaker 14 (14:04):
You know?

Speaker 4 (14:04):
To operate multiple states, killed dozens and dozens of people
for so long.

Speaker 15 (14:11):
A lot of it comes down to the type of
victims that you target. They're after using drugs, and there's
prostitution involved, and there's no immediate person to report them missing.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Before he retired in twenty thirteen, Rick was investigating Samuel Little.
It's like that there is a certain type of individual
that has just cared about a little bit less. And
I think that is the quite depressing thing about the story.

Speaker 15 (14:43):
Well, you know what, I shouldn't say that. I don't
think they were cared less about. I just it's you know, like,
what were you thinking. I mean, it's too bad, But
you're putting yourselves in a position of vulnerability here. You know,
you gravitate to certain cases that strike you, and those

(15:04):
oftentimes don't strike you as heartbreaking because the person, even
though they're not deserving to be killed, they put themselves
in a position. It's a very risky position.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
This claim by Rick that these women were in some
way responsible for what happened to them was shocking, and
it wasn't just that they were prostitutes most were black.
Was racism. Why Brenda didn't hear from the police about
him mom. For so long, there's been some suggestions that
the race of the victims did play a part in
LA see.

Speaker 15 (15:37):
I just don't buy that.

Speaker 8 (15:38):
I really really don't.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
But when you're saying you don't buy it, so you
don't think in any way there could be some form
of institution.

Speaker 15 (15:44):
Anything's possible. But I just didn't see that.

Speaker 11 (15:47):
I really didn't.

Speaker 15 (15:48):
I'm not trying to protect anybody. I just didn't see it.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Samuel Little claims to have killed twenty women in Los
Angeles alone, but that's just the typicy icebeag. According to
the FBI's investigation, he got away with Mayda all over
the country. He drive around selling stolen goods out of
his car and killing along the way. After the FBI
sent out the details from Samuel Little's confessions, police forces

(16:17):
from around the country stated in public they had cases
that matched his claims.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
For start should be close to try joy.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
General, Yes, we got a fire nineteen states overall, including
ten in Mississippi. Where I'm going next A meeting Detective

(16:51):
Darren Vassage, a serving police officer in the city of Pascagoula.
He's a key figure in linking Little's confessions to unsolve
cases in Mississippi.

Speaker 11 (17:01):
Hello, don how we doing.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
He'd also provided key witnesses who'd help put Little behind bars.
There are two women he's sitting, Samuel Little killed in
Pasca Gula. One of them was a twenty two year
old woman called Melinda La Prix or Mindy for short.
Since nineteen eighty two, Haymaida has remained unsolved.

Speaker 8 (17:25):
It's been a busy Sunday.

Speaker 16 (17:27):
Yeah, you know, it's typical Sunday. You know, church first thing.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
This is Mindy, isn't it. Yeah, this is Mandy with
a case like Mindy. As he said, one hundred percent,
he killed her. Yes, he's admitted to us.

Speaker 16 (17:40):
Some of those cases. One of the detectives got them
and they're looking through them. It's what Sam said Ford,
well pretty much. I mean to the evidence, to where
they were dumped at, to where they were picked up at.
I mean, how would Sam know where the person was
last seen and then where he dommed her unless he
was there.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Mindy la Prize Mayor there was one of the few
that did get reported. The deaths of most of the
other women he claims to have killed never made the press,
Like a lot of his are the victims. Mindy was
a prostitute this time, though she was white. Mindy la
Priz's family have been searching for answers for thirty years.

(18:22):
She was ambitious, she loved music. She left home and
moved state and they never saw her again.

Speaker 17 (18:29):
We're going out to the Goodyear family cemetery where Melinda
was raped and murdered.

Speaker 11 (18:37):
And dumped.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
I'm with Mindy's brother Bob and the rest of his family,
and guys, why do you think he he targeted your sister?

Speaker 17 (18:52):
He quote hunted prostitutes, and that's what she was doing.
But he did specifically point her out. A woman got
into the car with him at the at the corner
and he said, no, no, no, I want that one
over there, Mindy. I mean she was a beautiful white girl.
You know, he didn't just victimize black women.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
That's school. Well, you're pretty okay? She she she love
you know, got that all? Yeah? All right? She h.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Tragically, the reason Mindy had a belly, as Samuel Little said,
is because she'd give him bath. Two weeks earlier, Mindy's
son Will is here.

Speaker 11 (19:55):
That's Will. That's the day we picked him up at
the shelter.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Will's own. The image of his mum is based on
what his family's told him. She was addicted to drugs,
she went missing, and she was killed.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
I see how much I looked like her.

Speaker 8 (20:09):
What's it like here and all this.

Speaker 6 (20:12):
It's surreal. I get to watch everybody I care about
reliving all this pain. This is all I've ever known.
So it's like the eye of hercane. I'm watching all
this destruction and pain and heard.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
For the Laprix family, it wasn't until Darren came along
that they felt anyone in a position of authority truly
cared about Mindy.

Speaker 10 (20:37):
I wanted to say thank you and for helping my
family up so much.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Darren knows where Mindy's body was found.

Speaker 16 (20:48):
Yeah, like this one we're looking for now.

Speaker 11 (20:53):
He's upset we had battery.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Did you just say that? You think that he wanted
them to be found so he put them in places
that he thought people with.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, what's some what happened in the graveyard? Okay, okay,
leave law.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
It is hard to believe when she was found here
in a graveyard, she'd been here for five weeks. Just
meets us away from the road, like it's like nobody
was paying attention.

Speaker 17 (21:42):
The police down here, we're really not invested in figuring
out who this person was.

Speaker 6 (21:48):
Yeah, about how many more in lives have been ruined
because they didn't want to put the work in connect him.

Speaker 11 (21:58):
These are a lot of my documents from the time,
even my notes.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
Is this you basically trying to solve the case yourself.

Speaker 11 (22:04):
Well, at least keeping track of what I was being told.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
You have a name written down twice on this which
is Lieutenant GJ. Brooks. Who is that?

Speaker 8 (22:15):
He was?

Speaker 11 (22:15):
You know, part of this whole investigation.

Speaker 13 (22:22):
GJ.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Brooks or Judson Brooks was the lead detective on Mindy's
case whence she went missing. He oversaw the investigation. He
even arrested Samuel Little at one point. The question I
have is why did he let him go?

Speaker 12 (22:38):
Hey?

Speaker 8 (22:38):
Is that Judson?

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Well, it'd be great to just talk to you about
the sam Little case and when he first came on
your radar all those years ago.

Speaker 8 (22:46):
Does that sound okay?

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Oh? Well, we're talking about some of the all times.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Every time.

Speaker 8 (22:57):
You have some friendly dogs, you get back, get back.
They do they work?

Speaker 11 (23:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (23:07):
Do they work?

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Is that God?

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Have a gun?

Speaker 4 (23:10):
It didn't work?

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Kick the door open, stick that double barrow through that
everybody hits the floor and lays down.

Speaker 8 (23:18):
Do you remember the the some little case.

Speaker 11 (23:20):
Oh yeah, spoke to him.

Speaker 12 (23:22):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
We had a young girl go missing in the village.
I found some witnesses that saw that she got in
the car with him and left and didn't come back
with him. Some time later that our body was found.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Is it is it men dey La Prix, Yeah, that's
who it was.

Speaker 19 (23:40):
She was working as a prostitute in the village, which
was quite unusual, you know, her being white and the
two black girls that were the only witnesses we had.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Did you ever have some in custody one time? And
that's when I had to turn him lips? According to Judson,
prosecutors felt the evidence wouldn't stand up and court despite
having two witnesses, one even claiming Little said he wanted
to kill Mindy. You know you had two women saying right,
we saw her in the car with Little, right when

(24:15):
he came back, she was not with That seems like
some form of you know, evidence is testimony, that's hearsay?
Was it because of who they were though these were
black prostitutes. You don't think anybody in the police at
the time they have saw these women differently, because I.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Don't think anybody in the police department, I don't I
don't think this anybody would have white washed that off
the saying, oh, they're just prostitutes or whatever.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
Do you remember Bob Lapri that the brother of Mindy.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
He's the one pile of miss persons report.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Oh he feels as though if the police had paid
more attention here, maybe people like yourself, then sam wouldn't
have got away with it for another thirty years.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Well, do you know that there's people that could say,
if he had the lady's sister go in that area,
she went got hurt in the first place. Everybody can
make opinion.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
That's a bit of a weird thing because I mean
it was suppose it's not necessarily his decision. As you know,
women have free will that their own choices understand that
she was and I suppose that's one of the things.
You know, there seems to be maybe a mentality that
these ladies deserved it because of who they were, when
an actual factor of.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Victim, there is no there is no justification for that anywhere.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
After the police let Samuel Little go follow him, Mindy's Maider.
He claims he went on to kill at least thirty
five more women. Judson was now the second senior detective.
I'd heard place the responsibility elsewhere, this time on the
victims family. I suppose, in short, you know, how does
a guy like Sam Little get away with killing so

(25:53):
many people over nearly four.

Speaker 16 (25:55):
Decades because of the victimology. The victims in this case
aren't your Baptist preachers daughters, chief police daughters. They're basically
people out there that maybe in society we look at
a little different.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
His method of murder, strangulation often didn't leave marks, and
many of the women had drugs in their system at
the time of death. This meant in a lot of cases,
deaths were recorded as accidental or natural and might explain
why their murders weren't investigated. But now Little's confessions are

(26:34):
forcing police to identify mader cases they didn't even know
they had here in Mississippi. It's not just Mindy's case.
There's another may that Little has confessed to. Detective Darren
Massage has interviewed Samuel Little twice and has now started

(26:54):
receiving letters from him. Are these the letters?

Speaker 16 (26:58):
These are the letters? This isn't right.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
It's a pretty interesting pemphle isn't Yeah, yeah it is.
This relationship is paying off. He's already got key information
on the second case, a woman killed in nineteen seventy
seven in an area not too far from here. He's
trying to locate where the remains were found. I'm still
waiting for that mugshot.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Strangled.

Speaker 16 (27:22):
At Ma's point, I will try to draw the picture
of the girl from from gut Port. He's telling me
this is the bar and that's the house where he
went across the street. Picture of from.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
He's laying from Samuel Little that he sometimes took women
out to dinner, for drinks, or even took them shopping
before eventually killing them. I'd also heard this in the
police recordings.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
County Whisky. She's still fair to give you roll right
at me. You're getting off, period, because you know.

Speaker 8 (28:15):
It's quite eerie to think this is the this.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Is the sight.

Speaker 16 (28:21):
What sam says about the second lady, he said he
picked her up, pulled in and powe, he said, monster man.
So he just says, now I's abusing her and then
you know I strangled her and uh and then.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
She was mine it's not this woman yet, this is
that is the one that is.

Speaker 16 (28:42):
The nineteen seventy seven case. He says, that's her.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
Is there a worry that maybe some police organizations are
linking cold cases to him to solve cases that I
haven't been.

Speaker 16 (28:53):
Could they be doing that?

Speaker 12 (28:54):
And maybe they could? I don't know.

Speaker 16 (28:56):
I would hate to think that they would. You know,
there are a lot of law for there are a
lot of Miami officers were down there and they had
a bunch of cases and he went to them, Nope,
that's not mine, Nope, that's not mine. So I mean,
if he wanted to take credit for all of them,
he could have said, yeah, they're mine put the moment, but.

Speaker 12 (29:09):
He didn't want that.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
I mean, he could just be exaggerating.

Speaker 16 (29:13):
I mean when he can tell well the last meal
she had and he has confirmed those, I.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Was concerned how willing the police had met with to
believe Samuel Little. But for Darren, what's important is the
level of detail in the confessions, details only the killer
could have known, and that he's denying of the medice.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
So Willie may be for Bobby G and no Barbie G.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
The FBI and police forces across the country are taking
Samuel Little as seriously as darrenis. She is mine, She
is mine.

Speaker 8 (29:55):
That's what it has helped.

Speaker 16 (29:56):
That's what he claims when he kills on their hiss
like he owns.

Speaker 8 (29:59):
He owns. That's right.

Speaker 16 (30:01):
These things just stay with you and stay we and
they haunt you, and I'm just not gonna let it go.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Didn't you know the thing where he died?

Speaker 20 (30:24):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (30:24):
You think I belong to you shall see.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
I wanted to know how it came to this. I'd
heard Little explaining his story in his own voice, but
what was he like to the people who knew him.
He was born in the Deep South in nineteen forty,
but grew up in Ohio with his grandmother, Grandma Wow. Yeah,

(31:17):
so this is Lorraine, Ohio. This is where sam Little
spent much of his childhood. You quite like to think
sometimes when you think of a serial killer, that you'll
be able to see the signs, or they'll be from
somewhere we heard, or they'll have a crazy childhood. I'd
managed to track down the church's family had attended when
Samuel Little lived here. His father was a prominent member,

(31:39):
but it was closed.

Speaker 8 (31:41):
Everything's closed.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
There was a boxing gym in town. He claims he
was a promising boxer and called himself the Mad Daddy.
He used his signature punch in his attacks. Sam Little
this guy, Yeah, I know him.

Speaker 11 (31:56):
I've seen him really in age.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
He went on to become a serial killer.

Speaker 6 (32:02):
Wow, yeah, he seems like it.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
He worked like kind of perk.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Eventually I heard about a man who might be able
to tell me more. Ben Davis was in a relationship
with Samuel Little sister for over twenty years. He's never
spoken publicly about it before. Does Ben Davis live here?

Speaker 12 (32:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (32:22):
Are you Ben? A Ben?

Speaker 4 (32:24):
I'm also Ben?

Speaker 8 (32:25):
How you doing nice?

Speaker 4 (32:33):
When the news broke, Ben was at home watching TV
with his wife.

Speaker 12 (32:38):
It was hard for me to see him in that
condition too, when they arrested him in a wheelchair and nobleweight.

Speaker 8 (32:45):
Did you like him?

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah, because it's crazy to think that a guy like
that can be likable. What would the family like with
their normal family, like.

Speaker 12 (32:57):
Seven eight kids? They was you know, there was a
lot of illness in the family. One of the girls
die young, one of the brothers died young.

Speaker 11 (33:07):
Do you know what did he do as a job that?
He was a hustler?

Speaker 12 (33:11):
I remember he had an old, oldsmobile. Were just full
of stuff, clothes, meats, like horrible. Oh yeah, that car
had mice in it. He opened the trunk up and
I've seen him mice really, Yeah, he.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Did all of the mathers in the car.

Speaker 12 (33:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Ben was with samuel little sister for twenty years, the
whole time Little says he was on the road killing.
You know, he killed a lot of people joined up area.
I mean, like, so he was coming to you in
between these moments.

Speaker 12 (33:49):
I would say, I was it didn't see nothing?

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Or what would you say to him?

Speaker 8 (33:56):
Now?

Speaker 12 (33:56):
If you say, wow, Sammy, what was you thinking about?
Give him a bag, Give him a bag of pistachios,
you tell you anything, you won't.

Speaker 11 (34:07):
Well, he likes pustachios.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Crazy story, isn't It's hard to believe? But thank you
very much?

Speaker 12 (34:13):
All right?

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Yeah, I mean I think the only thing I can
really take away from that is that you just never
know who killers are. And it's scary because this car
that Ben keeps bringing up, and the fact that it
was dirty and it was horrible, had lots of things,
and that car is where he killed all these women.

(34:42):
Sammy Little was a nice guy, Ben said, I found
that hard to believe. I'd learned that he moved around constantly.
I'd learned that he chose specific types of women. He
appears to have enjoyed it. But I still couldn't understand
how someone could actually do this.

Speaker 6 (35:04):
I tried to trades back to when I became attracted
it to a ch throats.

Speaker 14 (35:14):
I remember going to school at Lorraine four or five
years old.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
I noticed the teachers men. She's turned me on.

Speaker 10 (35:29):
I know she used to do that list.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Oh she rubber that that she'd be teaching. My fuck,
what attract that ship to me? Oh? God, I got
so crazy. Why did you wait until you're thirty to
do it?

Speaker 7 (35:45):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Get imaginate until all of a sudden.

Speaker 8 (35:52):
Yeah, I went over.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
I want you told understand how his mind worked, and
to do that I needed help a meeting doctor Robert Shook,
a forensic psychologist. He's built his career on understanding the
minds of serial killers.

Speaker 11 (36:12):
Hey, Robert, I am very nice.

Speaker 8 (36:14):
To meet you, and bens to meet you by.

Speaker 20 (36:23):
This cannot be explained by one event, by one sort
of magic bullet moment in his life. This is the
culmination of a series of rejections and disappointments and possibly traumas.
To understand Samuel Little, we need to look at his

(36:43):
early life and kind of the way events unfolded for him.
Mom is either she's absent, right, so we don't know
if she's in prison.

Speaker 11 (36:50):
Is she working as a prostitute. She doesn't seem to
have been there.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
If his mom is working as a prostitute and he
does and have a great relationship with her, that seems
like a major red flag of why he would then
go on to target prostitutes, Big red flags.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Strake is I put my hand on on there? She
starts later? Sorry, what happened next?

Speaker 18 (37:22):
She died?

Speaker 21 (37:28):
Could it be as simple as he is obsessed with
a certain sexual act and he has found the perfect
type of woman to do it on and to not
face retribution for doing so.

Speaker 20 (37:40):
I think that's an excellent hypothesis, and you can sort
of see the scenario if you think about it. If
he's sexually aroused by choking, he's got to go right
to the type of women who would at least entertain
the initial aspects of that. And because he's a big guy, right,
maybe he didn't know his own strength at first, but
then sort of grew to like it. It is interesting,
this relationship between serial killers and prostitutes. I'm fascinated with

(38:02):
because her dad is a very common, very common thing.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Samuel Little claims to have killed up to ninety three women.
He replaces the math that's in his mind over and
over again. He believes they wanted to die.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yea lovely the hell if they want to die, Yeah, she.

Speaker 8 (38:47):
Is more lovely.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Man is.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
The more you listen to Samuel, until the more horrific
the story becomes. He sounds obsessed with killing, unwilling or
unable to stop. So there are very few people who
have survived as some Little attack. But I have read
in a few reports that there are four women who
somehow manage to get away. The difficult thing is that

(39:21):
in the majority of those reports these women are nameless.
But I have managed to track one of them down.

Speaker 8 (39:33):
It's really nice to.

Speaker 18 (39:34):
Meet Okay, yep, this is the place.

Speaker 8 (39:52):
Are you feeling.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Comfortable with some O. Laurie's never spoken publicly about this.
It's taken her a long time to feel ready. She
spent time as a prostitute after a traumatic childhood and

(40:14):
an abusive relationship.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Start where you feel comfortable with this story.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
He pulled up behind me. I could hear something. I
think I might have just frozen place. Well, he'd already
gotten out of his car and put me in a
headlock and shoved me in his car.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, didn't he even try and say anything.

Speaker 8 (40:43):
He just attacked.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
So I just started having a conversation with him. I
remember him just said I'm a traveler.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
So he was acting normal at this point, as if oh,
he went along with it with me.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Yeah, I remember staring at the the panel of the
car and just really checking it out. What happened next
was very quickly is being pulled and yanked into the
backseat of the car. He wanted to play something different,

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and I got turned over on my.

Speaker 18 (41:30):
I had to get up.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
Oh remember you could take a break the hands. I
had to get on my knees.

Speaker 8 (41:39):
It turned over.

Speaker 10 (41:42):
On the seat.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
He had taken my nylons off when I was on
my back initially, and he used those to time my hand.
My wrists up and I tried to encourage him, keep
going along, keep going along, don't let him know you're afraid.
He came down in my neck with his hand his

(42:05):
thumbs like that, and I'm like I'm screwed, and then
he asked me to swallow, says I like it when
you swallow, so I'd have to try and swallow while
his thumbs are on my throat. And then I remember
going out again, and I remember saying to myself, as

(42:35):
if I'm praying to God, is this God? Tell my parents,
I'm sorry for getting killed. And I don't have any
recollection after that, That's when I was out for good.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
Somehow Laurie survived.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
And when I got pushed out of the car and
I just said that trying to play dead, I listened
and listened and listened. Could he be anywhere? Because he
was gonna come back and kill me for sure. If
I moved from that moment, I felt like a whore
and a slot. This is what you get when you
do stupid things, Laurie. I kind of felt like I
deserved it. No, I did feel that way, very ashamed,

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and I didn't feel like I had a right to
be afraid because I was stupid. It was my fault
that this happened. I remember two people sitting in this
car and they just looked at me and drove by.
I'm like, they probably are scared.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Of me, I probably looked like a hooker. The first
time she went to the police. Laurie felt ignored because
of her history of prostitution. And it wasn't long before
sam your Little targeted another woman.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
It was exactly thirty days later. I believe that he
had attempted to murder the next girl in the same place,
in the same way, and the police actually caught him
in the act.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
With two women now telling the same story, the police
had enough to arrest them. Samuel Little stood trial in
nineteen eighty four, but he escaped the attempted, made the
charge of the two women, and was convicted of a
lesser charge of assault and false imprisonment.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
So I wasn't telling the truth. According to the jury,
they didn't believe me. They got four but he served
two and a half, so I guess he got good
behavior or something. So then, yeah, and he promptly went
out and killed the next three women.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
But it wasn't just three more. He claims he killed
twenty seven more women. I'm offended by the interviews I'm
doing in this film because it is offensive. You know,
the idea that the police only care about people if
society deems them with while and it shouldn't be the case.

(45:02):
And Laurie is the human personification that you know. She
spent years having to deal with this, years thinking it
was hair fault, hair fault that a guy pulled up
at the side the road and drank her into a car.

Speaker 14 (45:16):
He think it was alive to day, my friends, He
didn't cut me and call me everything was my friend.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
I didn't hate.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Samuel Little is a deluded and dangerous serial killer. Somewhere
over these walls is where he is today, California State Prison.
For many justice came decades too late, but speaking out
for Laurie at least helps keep the memory of his
victims alive.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
I think it may makes me a little stronger each time.
Yes is I'm doing it afraid I'm doing it anyway.
I owe more to those women than just to run away.