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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Saturday afternoon five time. As you're listening to this or
seeing this, we're alive in the studio.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
In Queens, New York. Her I know what it is.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm back by guest. I told he's going to beyond here.
He's beyond here.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Have tective Antonio or lawyer? What's up? Man? I'm sorry,
I don't drop oh music, but there you are.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
That's okay, thank you for having me. How how are
you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm good. I'm good. So real quick, right.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Before I get everything together, right, tell everybody about yourself,
because I just found out some two things that I
know about you.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Okay, yeah, so me, uh, I'm in. I'm an author.
I'm a March arts historian. I also run the a
martial arts online chronicle marsh Arts Today and Tomorrow, where
I put up a lot of my research, a lot
of my uh thoughts, opinions, and a lot of interviews
(01:02):
which formed the basis of my work. So that's kind
of the long and short of it. Oh and one
more thing. I also do martial arts, which is kind
of one of the reasons I got into martial arts history.
So yeah, that's the you know, that's the that's the
short of it.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Okay, cool, cool cool. So I'm gonna just go off
to call it off schedule here because I.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Like my notes. I was gonna go like, I'm not
gonna go on order here. So that's the premise of
our interview today. When I first get.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
When I first get into martial arts, is that what
you're asking? Yeah, So I wound getting into martial arts
as a child. It was, you know, at least kindergarten,
the first grade, but my parents were already doing martial arts,
so they kind of brought me into aikito first and
then kind of went into tongue sudo, which is kind
(02:07):
of is is very much like taekwondo. Uh though though
you'll have some some people say otherwise, but outside looking
in right, and then I continue with aikto, I added
gudo to the mix, and then uh, the last, you know,
the latest thing that I've added to the mix was
(02:30):
Olympic fencing, which was like three years ago. I think,
if I get my years right, so yeah, my, you know,
my parents kind of just kind of opened up the
door for for me. And to be honest, when I
was actually starting research on what what would become my
first book, that's a whole other story too. I kind
(02:53):
of just realized that this is what I want to
do with you know, part of my life is martial arts.
So uh, you know, kind of made that commitment in
the senior year of undergrad college. So you know, here
it is, how many years later, I'm still doing it.
So okay, that's kind of.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Still and and you're going to school.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Well, I, well, I completed school. So I did undergraduate
for history, and I did graduate for history again, and
then one of also doing a grad school for education
and I completed that degree in last year. So I'm
(03:37):
officially done in school at least, you know, officially, And yeah,
that's where I'm at right now.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Okay, okay, one though, right, those are just two bumps studied.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yes, those were those are the four main ones that
I study. That, like, I spent more than a year
specifically just training them. Yeah. More, well, I've I've I've
attended you know, newrous self defense classes as as was
part of the you know school that I'm that I
(04:19):
train at, participated in some American Campo karate seminars where
there was actually some they call it Marshall Melding because
the teacher at the at the school that I go to.
He he also did some campo cry back in the day,
and he essentially newer guy from back in the day
(04:42):
the nineties, and and they kind of swapped some things.
So it was so I did some campo, yeah, and
and I and I did some like traditional Japanese ju jujitsu,
a little bit of Brazilian jiu jitsu, but like again
not you know, not to the extent of say ikto, judo, fencing,
(05:04):
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Got you, gotcha, gotcha? So year of all study here.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So yeah, so the years wow, oh, I started training.
I started training IQ in two thousand and two, so
that was that's twenty three years now. Judo I started
in twenty teen. That's math, thank you, twenty seventy years.
(05:45):
There's six seven years. Lipping fencing I did since well
that's been three years now, since twenty twenty two. And
then I've I'm actually a little hazy on the taekwondo
years because I did that when I was a kid,
(06:07):
and my sense of time was not really it was
not really there.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
So was was this all the things?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Uh, this was not all the same school, so my
taekwondo was at a different school that was down that
was down like a that was down a ways from
my IQ school. My my iq O school or my
(06:36):
IQ teacher has been the same throughout the twenty odd years.
The judo I actually started that in in grad school
while I was at Westchester. That was that was the
Westchester Judo Club, and I found it there, and I
(07:03):
you know, I trained there, and there was this one
black belt who would come every every practice. Unfortunately on
the went to like one or two practices a week.
So there's that that one black belt whose name I forget.
And then I went down to I went down to
a club or a school down in Brittmar, which has
(07:28):
now since the pandemic switched to or changed locations quite
a bit. But that school was affiliated with the that
school was affiliated with the Westchester Club, so it was
kind of like, hey, here's some extra training, and like,
I have extra time on Sundays. So so I went
(07:48):
there and then actually, like in in the middle of COVID,
things just started to stop. And then I I approached
my HUE instructor, since I know he it some uh
some some geo in the nineties and early two thousands,
I'm like, hey, is it possible that we can have
(08:09):
a program here at the i Q school, and I
somehow convinced him to create a program. So so then
my i Q teacher is now my GEO teacher at
at the same time. Uh. And then and fencing, I
found I found one that was I found that a
(08:30):
club that was all the way out in writing PA
which was which only means once a week. And uh,
they're they're very focused on the camaradi and and and
the fun of the sport. But it's been it's been
fun since then, and it's been only been three years,
(08:52):
but still it's still fun. It's a little bit frustrating
because everything's based around a match, but other than that,
it's still still fun.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Okay, okay, Uh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I'm geting little distress because even now as we're alive, right,
I'm still getting like text messages from various listeners.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
We'll got stuff they want to ask you, stuff like that.
So forgive me back to that.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Uh oh, I'm caught up now, Okay, back back, So
quick question before I.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Go into the ruin of the matter here.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So I okay, so you're six years old, you're starting
martial arts, right, So what since then, right, what got you? Like,
what got you to studying other second style and then
a third style, et cetera, cetera. So I'm asking too much,
like what prompted you to begin studying a second style.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Of No, no, no, that's a good question. I'm trying
to remember back to the taekwondo days, because we did
taekwondo and we did aketo. But I don't remember why
we especially, you know, specifically did taekwondo. I know both
my parents also did taekwondo when they uh, you know,
(10:13):
when they were kids, So it may have been something like, hey,
excuse me, let's do something both at the same time.
See what see what happens. But when when I got
into judo, I was doing some research into aiketo's history
(10:34):
here in America because it was kind of part of
it was really part of my senior capstone course in
my undergraduate years. So so many of the IQ like
IQ pioneers, whether they'd be Japanese or American or whoever
flavored in between, uh, they all did a second art,
(10:55):
second or third art, and a lot of people came
from judo, especially some of the early Japanese pioneers and practitioners.
So I'm like, hey, let's reverse engineer this and let's
go into judo. So judo was kind of that way
of connecting back to these older and some now dead
(11:19):
pioneers because you know, because they went from judo, were
from karate to aikto, and there was a definite shift
in their focus. So I kind of wanted to figure
that out. And also everyone seemed to have judo experience
and that kind of helped them better understand a you know,
(11:41):
a pitted altercation, which I'm also interested in trying to
figure out more and how it applies to aikto. That's
also a whole other conversation with Olympic fencing. Funny enough,
I was reading a book about the history of fencing
or swordsmanship in Europe and I said, you know what,
(12:05):
this Olympic fencing thing seems a little easy that I
can probably do. And boy, after the ten week introduction course,
was I completely an uly wrong because I lost every
single time afterwards. But I I, I don't know, for
(12:25):
some reason, I stuck with it for the three years
of like this is something that I wanted to do,
and actually fine enough during one IQO seminar someone was like,
you know, there's no real sword technique in aikido, but
you know, me and this other guy we did fencing
Olympic fencing for like, you know, seven years, ten years plus,
(12:48):
so that there was some sort of extra training with
swords that was being properly tested and everything. So I'm like, okay,
well maybe I'll stay.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
With yeah, but can you hear me? Well keep sorry,
keep going.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah it's okay. Uh, technology is always a pain the butt,
but yeah, no, that that that one seminar was was
was kind of like, oh, maybe I should stick with
Olympic fetzing just a little bit while longer and to
see where they can give me. But yeah, so that's
(13:31):
you know, so that's kind of like the long way
around as to why I got into some other some
other arts.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Okay, okay, but but it's a lot said a lot
all right, but might be when so you brought up
a problem like success competing like an accolade and the.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
No, I I haven't officially gone out and competed anywhere.
I've kind of always felt that like if I can't
consistently win in the school, then I'm kind of wasting
my time outside. But then again, yeah, I've never been
like super competitive in my you know, even growing up.
(14:17):
I mean, I know, growing up, my parents enrolled me
and my sister into like soccer, baseball. I really sucked
at baseball. Football also sucked at football. Uh you know,
I never played basketball, but soccer was like the main one.
But like, I never really been like super competitive, and
(14:38):
I guess that's kind of transferred over to my adult years.
And I guess there's I don't know, so that that
just kind of where I'm at. I mean, you know,
even with judo or fencing. Yeah, it's it's it's just
I'm kind of I'm I'm trying to figure out, I
guess how these techniques work better, I guess, and control
(15:01):
environment in a way without going out and competing against
other people and trying to get that that uh, that
gold medal. But maybe maybe sometime in the future I
will change and see and see what happens. But yeah,
(15:23):
competing was never really one of my main things to do.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Okay, all right, Okay, that's what that said. What I'm
gonna do now, which all I want just change the
pace real quick. And because I have one, I ONCET
can't wait to won't be her, So I'm gonna patchas call.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Okay, okay, yeah, cool, bet uh.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Let me see something I'm calling right now. Most second,
we'll recalling him, all right, let me see.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Let's see.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Le's see who he picks up. He's been knocking. I
put back. He was trying. He was trying to all
but like I didn't want to cut you off.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Come on, come on, come on, I don't think we're
gonna get him, all right, all right, so I'll try
to get later one.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But the same guy did text me some questions, so
if I don't get him back, I just ask him that.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Uh So that said, uh, real quick, real quick, let
me see what I have here, okay, bet best so
all right, so let's transition. So we've talked about you
as the martial artists, right and uh so I gotta
say real quick, right, you know it's not that. Now
we're gonna talk about you as like the author, the writer,
(16:58):
right And I got to say, right, I, I are
you for that because especially because at such a young age,
we did so much, already studied so much discipline started
like the work ethic.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So I want to say I I applaged like we're
the same. It's like like thirty, you know, and I
could there be like that.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So I taught you, okay, thank you. I mean I
also I also liked a little bit of karate too
while I was like like a kid, no, uh well
like my teenage years. Yeah, I think I was. Yeah,
I think I was like an adult when when I
stopped doing karate. Yeah, I h six, Yeah, I was
(17:42):
still going to I was still going I was going.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
To college, my uh last big karate, so so out
of that, yeah, but that's yeah, So yeah, did you
do son? That's that's why I I did.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I did not. I'm just trying to no, I No,
I didn't do shown. I did American Campo karate, which
you know, there's a lot of talk with that. But
what I found throughout my research is that Sholocan was
kind of like the baseline for most of the karate
(18:23):
that would either come through Asia or or or America.
So even if you know, even if you haven't done
shook I think, you know, I think there's still enough
overlap that someone can integrate into into Shookan.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
So like, actually I was from Awards and the form
Soccatas and also competing in the spa and.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
A little plaque. Let's you can on the other side,
like my clothes hanging, but like you see them. What
was gonna say, as my training thought, forgive me what's
the called? What's the what's it called?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Oh, I was gonna say real quick on a selfish note,
so like I don't know how like other dojos do it,
like how like how their system is right and whatever.
But like I was, I I last I left well,
I didn't well left is the wrong word. I was
(19:37):
one belt shy of becoming a black belt and I
never earned. I never earned a back belt like I
was like the one book below it. So I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna lie right, I'm actually considering swunk
to string, like going back to set my black belt,
to finish the story as they say wrestling nowadays, you know,
(19:58):
because especially like not for my yeah, yeah, for myself
as well. It's like you no finish when I started.
And also I want to just be influce with on
my daughters, you know, like you know, discipline you gotta
see through. So I'm strong considering going back to my
dojo and finishing my black belt. But you know, and yeah,
(20:19):
I can have all these excuses about time and energy,
but if it's something I want to do, like, I'll
like like I'll find.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
The way to balance it. I'm saying, So I just
want to say that real quick. What else?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
What else?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
What else?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
What else?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
What else?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
What else?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Two more questions if I move on to my next portion.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
So one of them is if we had if we
had children, would want to them bring them into martial arts?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Oh yeah, definitely, definitely I was. I mean I was
raised in a martial arts family. I mean my father,
my mother, my sister, myself, we all, we all did
it and we still continue to do it. So yeah,
you know, and that actually wands up being one of
the one of those topics or conversations that that still
(21:13):
keeps us together in a way. So it's it's a
it's so yes, all all those experiences that I've had,
I would want to have my kids into martial's hands down.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Okay, Yeah, I really think.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I really think it's really good for children because it
teach them it's little the discipline, commitment, a love of maturity.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
And I'm saying, is that there.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
My sense they once told me, right, like if you
write your resume and you're applying for a job. When
you see down your resume, i'll let your black belt
that they'll hire you because the show's commitment medication, every
uh that that employee will want in a in a
modern employee, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
So I recommend that everybody recommended. We're just fighting whatever.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Physical thing and like a mental thing as well, stuff
like that, and perhaps a spiritual thing too. But oh
and the last thing on my next portion would be
we'll put like dojo's and the and the sense that
you've all studied.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Okay, So with Taekwondo, I I won't think the schools
are around anymore. With with the first teacher, his name
(22:47):
was Camdo, I don't remember his first name, but that
was that was the first dojo in first teacher. And
with taekwond we moved to was it am core, yeah,
am Core and it was under madness again, I don't
(23:12):
remember the first name. The iqo place, the Akio dojo
is Asahi Dojo or Sahi con dojo, kind of like
the Japanese beer Asahi uh. Anyway, it's like you know,
the morning Sun dojuh, that's what it translates to. And
(23:38):
that that teacher is Michael and then he also became
my judo instructor. The previous jew instructor was Tom Blair
from Mainline Judo, which now has changed names to Brittler Judo.
And I don't think Blair is doing judo as much
(24:00):
as I think he wants to do jud though COVID
screw up a lot of things for uh some for
for for many people. I think he was also hospitalized
to I could I could be wrong. And then Olympic fencing.
(24:21):
There's no real like main coach in the club because
it's more like, you know, club full filled with peers.
But the president of the club has been helpful is
Dan Dan Bunny bon Bonfido, another Italian name that I
(24:43):
have trouble spelling.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Not familiar. Dad felt familiar. Look, maybe I might know him, Okay,
maybe I mean who I mean?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Ok maybe? Then you know. Then then the founder of
that club was John Weaver. And and there was another
coach there. I mean, what's also funny is that I'm
also a coach there. There's there's there's another coach there,
(25:18):
Ah Zach and Bruce. That's a father son duo and
uh yeah, just you know, just all those coaches together.
They they they they offer assistance when needed, especially when
when they've been asked, which has been great because then
(25:39):
it's not like from the you know, far side of
the room you're getting shouted at for like like what
am I doing? But yeah, those are you know, those
are all the Oh sorry, the club is Burke's fencing
club that's based out of writing while missing. Yeah, so
(26:00):
that's you know, that's kind of the whole get kaboodle.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Okay, okay, but.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Let's turn the page to the next chapter. So you've
heard heard quite a lot about you when you're you're
coming up as a martial artist. Tell us about you
as a writer.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, sure, goodly. I've been. I've been interested in writing
and trying to publish books since I think I was
a kid. I mean, I I don't think many people
know this, but I I wanted to write fiction first,
and I wound up writing a whole book on some
(26:43):
like supernatural historic fiction set in medieval Japan with samurais
and everything. I went completing I guess what I would
call like a first real draft of of a book,
and then part of a second one. And then I said,
you know what, I'm not going to do anything with it.
(27:03):
And then somewhere along the way, I said, you know what,
I'm going to try and rewrite it. And that never
went anywhere because I guess that was also around the
time where I was starting to get into my first
round of grad school, and I guess some things just
started to change. Also, if I wanted to rewrite the
whole thing, I need to excuse me. I needed to
(27:25):
figure out kind of a whole new story, a whole
new characters. Nice cool thing was, since I'm a kind
of historian, I just went and got historical characters and
just started to put things into other places. But yeah,
that never went anywhere. I'm not sure why I didn't
go anywhere.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
But when when I was in.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Again, when I was in my capstone senior seminar for history,
that's really where this whole writing thing, or this historical
writing thing happened. Because the the so so, I needed
to write a paper X amount pages long, X amount
(28:06):
of words on a topic that was almost kind of
free range. It was. It was actually kind of like
pop history in or American pop history or something like that,
American popular culture, something like that. The teacher there was
doctor Charles Hardy, And you know, at first I didn't
(28:27):
think I was gonna like him, and then he becomes
like the guy that would just help me really write
this paper or at least get get get what I
needed to on on on this paper. So I'm again,
I'm truly indebted to him in the academic sense to
putting together that paper and actually putting together you know
(28:50):
what essentially would become my first book, because I first
wanted to do something on you know, Samurai, and I
couldn't read Japanese and He's like, I mean, you should
try to find something else. So I scoured and I'm like, oh,
I'll just do some IQ history because you know, before
I was reading you know, short biographies of people within
(29:13):
within the art, and there was never really anything on
uh the Americans who actually helped push the art, whether
you know, in you know, in conjunction with or separately
to you know, to their Japanese counterparts and teachers. So
that was like fifteen weeks of what the hell am
(29:35):
I going to do with all this IQ information? Uh?
So wound up getting you know, I want getting a
passing grade. And at the end, I'm like, I think
I'm want to turn this into a book, and Hardy says,
I think you should do it on a on a
you know, like an article scale, like having like thirty
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X pages and all this other stuff. And I'm like,
I'm gonna make in the book. It's great, I'm gonna
make it in a book. So that's really where it
got started into like creating some sort of like really
kind of started my writing career. And I know when
I got to grad school, after my first semester, there
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was this whole thing of like, you know, anti fascism
was you know, what was one of the courses, And
after going back and forth, I'm like, oh, hey, here's
you know, here's the Japanese American Internment camps with anti fascism.
I wound up making something happen for that. But then
one of the things after that was you know, where
else would this go? And I'm like maybe they did
(30:44):
martial arts there. And then that's literally where I just
kind of went from and like, oh yeah, this is
you know, this is great sort of thing. So I
that's kind of I guess the beginnings of the writing
part where it started in school, and it just kind
of kept being influenced by school, and it's now something
(31:07):
that like if I don't do you know, do some
write or do some research in in the week, I'm like,
what the hell am I doing with my time?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Question? I'm back to my next come up to questions
because they're more.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
So I'm going to answer, I am I'm going to
ask to destroy answer questions.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Uh so, real quick? Is there a new book?
Speaker 3 (31:46):
New one I'm focusing more on because actually I started
writing that one and and that just kind of took
off on its own and like, I can, I can
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do this. So not to give too much away, it
is a biography similar to another biography I released h
September of last year, but it's about an IQ, a
practitioner in New York who's been there since nineteen seventy five.
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So I'm going through his life in Japan in America
and then actually part three is actually his time in
like more time in America. But I'm really like, I'm
really getting it. I don't say I'm getting in in,
you know, into the weeds with him, but it's just
(32:48):
I'm you know, I'm trying to be very detailed in
the biography, just try and take everything that's already out
there and point it into a coherent narrative because you know,
always there's you know, there's interviews about anybody from someone's
(33:11):
point of view, and it's always just one one angle
that you know that that that person kind of really
interacted with, you know, said person to you know, to
have the biography. So I'm trying to get all all
these different viewpoints from from from his students and from
former students to make that narrative and and to make
(33:33):
that biography. The second one, the second book that's in
the works, that's a little bit on on the back burner,
but I hope to uh start that hopefully hopefully by
next year sometime excuse me, or continue on with It
is again about another Japanese martial arts throughout and it's
(33:55):
history throughout America. Actually it's only going to be to
the Western States because that's how that's where I have
a lot more information on or or at least just
information that that that that I have found or that
I have conducted, so that I can put that all together.
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There is going to be a again, there's gonna be
a Japanese section because again all these martials comes from Japan.
And then and then there's going to be a pre
war section and a post war section, and if some
people actually get back to me, I'll do a COVID
section to see how that they how they and their
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schools and the art has changed, adapted and evolved since
the COVID pandemic.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Okay, or this guy.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Say that again, I'm sorry, like an et A like time,
this or is got to stay tuned to find out.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
ETA. So on this next biography that I'm currently working on,
I hope to be done writing it by the end
of this year, so then they can come out next year. Again,
that's that's the plan, and then I haven't thought too
much about the next book. I just know if I
(35:23):
finish writing this year on this third book, then theoretically
I can start writing next year. But I think it's
going to take a little bit while longer because there's
a lot more sources that I need to consult then
(35:44):
this biography, So hopefully with that one. So next year's
twenty twenty six, so maybe in twenty twenty eight ish
is the next book that's going to come out, Maybe
twenty twenty nine, depending on again how life works and
how much is involved.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
But yeah, yeah, so stay toy by state. So real quick,
well plug your website real quick.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Arts of yesterday, today and tomorrow, or how I refer
it is Mayat Actually I think I've had some people
call call it matt or mate, but whatever works. It
still gets you know, my my name out there somehow,
some way.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
But what's the r o.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Oh you are ol it is it is martial artistory
dot com. So it's singular martial.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Art Marshall Marshal art mark.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Martial art no no as art history.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yes artistory dot com. Ay right to that will quit?
That will quit, I presume, because well what I'll get
back to that. We'll get back to that. We'll get
back to that. But you're writing, what like, what else
is next? Like what besides your writing? When you covered that,
(37:21):
what's the next besides you're writing?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Creating some sort of quote unquote podcast or a YouTube
channel or or a yeah yeah kind of like a
digital archive of all the interviews that I've done with
you know, their their uh audio files and such. But
(37:58):
I just I just seem to not have I have
had the time for that. Like I actually thought I
would be doing some of that YouTube video stuff this summer,
and here it is in July, and I haven't even
started because I guess I prioritize writing my new book
instead of doing some YouTube stuff. You know.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Mhm oh, I'm saying but and I.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
And I'm like, it's you the fuc mh like and
that's like, that's about well in karate, especially because like
Kanye motions.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
So I learned to what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
That.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
So mhm.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
All this stuff h m hm.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
H m.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
M.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
But all right, So I'm back to the question that
I skipped. I wanna do I wanna look at lightning round? Okay,
So like I will actually a single question and you'll
try to ask as briefly as possible.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I hate the sound rude. I hate I hate the sound.
Ky real quick in one second.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Once again, I'll make short and miss anything here, uh
real quick, Uh, tell us about.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Tell us about m A y T.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
T website, my online chronicle where I put all my research.
It really is a lot of interviews done by actually
done by me, kind of running the gambit of whatever
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martial arts that you can think of it. If it's
Japanese based martial art, if if there's a sword in it,
if there's not a sword, in it. It's going to
be there. I also have articles where actually some of
my grad school papers were actually we repurposed and put
on there. And also there's a lot of editorials by
(40:37):
me and by a few other authors as well. So
if you're if you're bored and you want to check
out some interviews from so many other different people that
do different martial arts, go there and enjoy yourself.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Okay, the Akito Journal.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Yeah, so, i Q Journal. That was I worked for
them in first as an intern and then on a
contracting basis all the way up till give me a
second twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three. I need
to look at my resume again, but there so, so
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i Q Journal is kind of like the main source
for Aikdo practitioners to kind of go and find out
more about its history and some of the things that
are going on in the Mayrin era. It was first
founded by a guy named Stanley Briann out in California.
Unfortunately he passed away due to cancer in March twenty seventeen,
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and then it was kind of moved over. Leadership was
moved over to a person named Josh Gold, who was
also based out in California. He has since made or
create did something called Blue Blue Accelerator, sort of his
way of trying to give back to the i Q
(42:06):
community and also create pipeline into the i Q community
from uh, you know with with younger students. Yeah, and
IQ Journal still kind of ranks up there as you know,
the source for a lot of people to go and
get some information, whether it's you know, recent or or
(42:29):
slightly dated. It's it's still considered that standard amongst IQ practitioners. Uh. Yeah.
So traditional Mars arts and this is kind of where
(42:50):
we get a little weird. Traditional mark Arts considers that
they have a lineage dating back maybe centuries ago. If
we if we talk to cry people, especially of Chokan,
they they can they can transferve lineage back to uh
Funakoshi from Okinawa, you know to the nineteen twenties. Sorry, yeah, yeah,
(43:22):
there you go, there you go. But yeah, so and
within that lineage, they they they they want to maintain
what has been laid out to them, uh in previous generations.
(43:43):
And you know, and sometimes they're stuck to a form
and and in that form is how they differentiate themselves
from other either traditional martial arts or mixed martial arts
or sports martial arts. So then mixed martial arts is
where they kind of take things from a myriad of
(44:05):
other martial arts and put together and try and make
everything work in tandem with each other. So they'll take
like well modern m m A is boxing, more Thai,
Brazilian jiu jitsu, judo, that's for I might be missing
some other things, but those are like the four main
(44:25):
ones that as as I've seen, they they kind of
draw from. So in one way, and you know, and
you know, I might be making this into a TED
talk a little bit. But if we if we look
at actually some of the like original or just the
(44:46):
older traditional martial artists, and again I'll use IQ as example,
a lot of these guys did like some sort of karate,
they did judo, they did something else on top of
or connect or connected to aikido. So in their way,
they were already making something mixed martial arts where they
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putting it strictly together and sort of kind of just
putting some putting all three of the crisis together and
then making it into you know, mixed martialts as is
they you know, I'm I'm not sure, but they had
an idea of what was you know, of what was
(45:28):
what art and what worked in which thing. So, actually
I just published in an article, a contributed article editorial
that that that the author was saying that there is
stuff from traditional martial arts, whether it be from kung
fu or or karate or anything else, that mixed marshal
(45:50):
mixed martial artists can use in their arsenal. And because
people don't use these things that that he was saying,
whether it's some sort of reverse punch or some type
of kick or whatever, that you can get you know,
a leg up on your competitors doing so. So it
was kind of like looking for a golden technique or
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golden slew of techniques that would just catch someone off guard.
So without giving it much of the credit's due or
the time that it's due. There is stuff that traditional
martforts can learn from mixed martial arts, and there's stuff
that mixed martshalts can learn from traditional martial arts. The
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only thing that's I guess maybe hindering it is the
methods in which both of them are using. But again
that's going to be a whole other discussion.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
We are points where I am out of question for myself.
So I'm going to take it to listener questions. All right,
So people have the hot line nine one seven via text,
phone call, or or voicemail. I'm gonna be bringing text obviously,
(47:13):
because if I were, if I were gonna you know,
answer the phone or read, I mean, listen to a voicemail,
would happen now. But yeah, this person texted the hot
line at nine one seven two eight three eight ninety five.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Sticks.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
This person asks, hm, hm, yess you already answered that
my fault? Oh okay?
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Which was the more okay? Which the quote for you
to learn?
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Which that was more what for me to learn? Oh? Difficult?
You know, they're all kind of difficult in their own way.
And I'm not trying to like give you a crappy answer,
but there's aspects of of like here that are just difficult,
(48:11):
kind of just relaxing and just kind of flowing with
with what's been given, you know, especially if your partner's
not really doing the same. I'll tell you what. What
was difficult in the beginning, especially with Judo, was actually
like applying the techniques on someone who just didn't want
(48:32):
to go anywhere, who was really who is really stiff
or just resistant because they would just either pull back
or again just rely on muscle and then and and
that was a little frustrating because I'm like, well, I
can you know, I was taught to lead in in IQ.
The why is it's not working over here? You know,
(48:53):
besides the fact that took me a little bit that, like,
you know, Judo and I qu even though they came
from sure the same route of Jude, you two, they're
not really the same thing. So I can't be applying
my vast like Q knowledge to Judo when like I
don't know how to like quote unquote played you correctly.
(49:15):
Difficult Also in Olympic fencing is when you're just facing
somebody who's just you know, leaves some bounds better than you,
and you're like, I gotta freaking hit them, and you
can't no matter how hard you try, you know, even
though I only had like, you know, a year of
experience at that time that I'm thinking about right now.
(49:37):
But you know, I guess winning consistently in Olympic fencing,
since it is considered more of a sport than the
martial art, that's kind of that's kind of difficult and
also kind of decoding what your coach or coaches kind
of say to you and apply them in you know,
(49:59):
on the strip, because is it's like, well, this person
just said to do this, and this other person says
to do that, and you know, I'm trying to do
what one person or both people are trying to say
and it's not working, and so why is it not working?
And it's like, well, it's all you know, all this
timing stepts, Like then why are you telling me this?
So it's so so yeah. So that's so that's what
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was difficult about both those arts or all three of
those arts.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
I'm all half talking, am I? Sorry?
Speaker 1 (50:38):
Okay? How can how can you apply martial arts to
your physical and mental well being?
Speaker 3 (50:57):
They're just a system and then there there a system
filled with routines or structured rituals depending on which scarlett
you ask. So you can take that that sort of
approach in structuring how you want your body to be, uh,
(51:19):
and also your mental well being. So if you want
to be more calm under pressure or under stress, which
I think most of us want to it's really hard,
then you would want to take some time to excuse
me ensure that you are treating yourself to get to
(51:39):
that level of calmness, that that that that you want.
Same thing with the physical if you want to do
again lifting weights, which is what I'm thinking of doing
later on today, is is uh, you know, figure out
a routine that that that you want to do again,
(52:02):
because since martial training is just routine based, you just
figure out what you want to do with lilifting weights
or going out and doing cardio you're running or marathon
running or walking or whatever it is that is exercise
that you know, I don't know what you do, whether
it be yoga, you still got to set assign time
for that, and then you also gotta make efforts to
(52:27):
maintain it because then that's your own schedule, that's your
own training. Yeah. So really, you know, find the routine
that works best for you, and then you just gotta
kind of gotta remind yourself that you've gotta do that routine.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Where can you consume your writing?
Speaker 3 (52:54):
And so officially, where where you consume my writing in
book format is really on Amazon or any sort of
major book book distributor. So I got I got two
books right now, it's I'm just gonna show them to
(53:17):
the screen real quick. Uh, it's Takehiko is Chikawa Judo's
Quiet Master. This is what what just came out in
September of last year. You can get this on Amazon
or anywhere else that is major bookstores mostly online. Uh, well,
the first one that the other one is i Q
comes to America again. You can find this on Amazon
(53:40):
or any other major book Uh. This distributors.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
And then uh, is it exclusively by is it exclusively
online or the hard copy versus tool? Uh?
Speaker 3 (53:55):
It's exclusively online if you want a I mean, if
you want to Actually, it's exclusively online. There's an e
book of both of them, and then there's also filicial
copies of both of them. Actually, the Ischikawa one has
a hardback, so if you like hardbacks, you know, it's
actually looks really nice. Unfortunately these are both paperbacks. Yeah,
(54:19):
and then the other way, if you don't feel like
paying for my writing, you can go on to martial
artistory dot com or just type in martial Arts of
Yesterday's Day and Tomorrow, and then there you can find
everything that I've wrote so far, whether it's articles at editorres,
my own opinions, somebody else's opinions. Since I do post
(54:41):
contributing material and interviews, which actually has been my bread
and butter for most of the most of my time
with it. So if you're interested in learning stuff about
kendo lightsaber fighting, excuse me historic you're European fencing, I kito,
(55:03):
judo karate. I'm sure I'm missing some things in there too.
Go ahead look at it, enjoy. I'm whatever you think
you know you can think of. I may have something.
I most likely have something for you. If not, then
just go and explore. I mean, it's I'm creeping up
(55:23):
to five hundred posts. Hopefully I get that done by
the end of this year. But yeah, so there's something.
I mean, if you can't find something, reach out to
me and I'll try and find something for you.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
Are you available, I mean available? Are you on social media?
Speaker 3 (55:44):
Yes? I'm on social media. Do you just type in
marsh arts yesterday's stay tomorrow or m A Y T
T in Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. I am on Reddit. You
can also find me on Spotify and YouTube. Fun enough,
I do have like two interviews audiutilize on on YouTube
(56:09):
and Spotify, which again I've been meaning to get back to.
I don't know where I'm going to get back to that,
but if you feel like reading, you can always go
to you know, the website. One thing I should point
out is that I've been updating Facebook more often than
any of the other ones because WordPress doesn't post to
(56:31):
Twitter or anything else like that. So yeah, or sorry X,
my bad because that whole thing. But yeah, Facebook is
kind of where you find a lot more of the
recent stuff. But I am I'm on all the platforms.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
Okay, real quick, there's one person access now, right. Do
you watch and follow modern wrestling?
Speaker 3 (56:59):
What do you mean mind wrestling? Is that w W? No?
I I I have not. I know I wanted to
when I was a kid, and I think I did
a little bit, But no, I no, I don't.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
Okay, it's fine, all right, but but but I have
one final question.
Speaker 6 (57:24):
Before I or let you go. But if I release you,
before I the what you call it like a before,
you're free for your free.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
And that is that is why martial arts history.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
Yeah, well, thank you for that. H Well one, So
I'll split this up. So the first part is one.
When I was getting in to all all this, you know,
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you know, especially for my first book it comes to America,
there was a lot of focus on the Japanese practitioners.
There was always some sort of bio that you could
find readily available somewhere somehow, whether it's in books or
you know, Wikipedia or the Internet somehow. So there was
always that there, but there wasn't enough of it. And
(58:30):
I feel that what I'm doing is kind of creating well, well, actually,
actually it's kind of creating books that you know, that
I wanted to see when I was first getting into
this in like twenty seventeen and earlier, because there's you know,
there's so many books on technique and how to do
(58:56):
you know, how you know, how to conduct yourself in
a dojo setting or anything else like that. It's kind
of forgetting that there are other people out there who
have stories to tell. And actually that's what i Q
comes to America is kind of it's kind of is
it's it's it's a it's a collection of stories of
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American pioneers of the art, regardless of styles that you
know that you know, besides their own websites, they aren't
really being talked about elsewhere or anywhere for that matter,
So it was kind of a way to bring light
to that or to them. Same thing with the Ishikawa book,
(59:40):
it's it's bringing like to you know, a guy who
was two time All Japan Judo champion that came over
here in the United States that no one talks about today. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (59:58):
So so even even those who made it big in
Japan excuse me, and then came over here and you
know who was literally like the big fish. There isn't
talk about them Ishikawa, you know, since you know, since
his passing or since they're passing. So this leads me
(01:00:22):
into my second part, where, like Marcial's history, I feel
is like an extension of oral history because a lot
of things that I use are people's or won the
interviews that I conduct with them, or interviews that that
that I can find, so that it creates more of
a personalized story of what this teacher was and what
(01:00:46):
they did for either the community, for the art, whether
it you know, whether they created something new for the
art or they were just consistent in staying in that
one place and teaching.
Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
It really is just creating a it's it's kind of
furthering that that world tradition, but then also shining a
spotlight on those who are there and just you know,
seems to make it seems to make whatever comes their
way just try it with that. So really in that regard,
(01:01:30):
while you know, while creating something that I wanted to have,
you know, like almost ten years ago, and focusing on
individuals and what their legacy are, uh yeah, legacies are.
The third part is that Marcial's history, there's there's always
(01:01:54):
an evolution to to the art, and if we forget
about those evolutions and bcifically why those evolutions came came
to be, Like a great example is, excuse me, the
Olympic judo. They took away leg grabs and lake takedowns,
uh so that they didn't get so that people didn't
(01:02:16):
get judo confused with Brazilian jiu jitsu and Greco Roman wrestling.
And if I remember reading some of the stuff right
in the last year year and a half, they did
bring back the lake, you know, the lake takedowns and stuff.
So that so so now the sport aspect of it
is trying to figure out how or the competitors are
(01:02:39):
still trying to figure out how to use this this
new rule h to their to their advantage. So again
that's a you know, that's a very small evolution of
or or context of what jew has experienced. But then
it's also important to note them and see how the
(01:03:02):
art or the sport I mean I get depending on
who you talk to, then reacts to again a rule
change or people leaving the organization and starting their own style,
or just how they interact with other styles. Again, another
example is in the early days with karate, taekwondo, and kickboxing,
(01:03:24):
there's a lot of inter mingling with them because there
was always people from those three martial arts in like
like like full contact sparring tournament, so they all kind
of melted it in together and excuse me and try
(01:03:45):
to figure out a way how to kind of best
the other person, even though that they were not doing
this the same martial arts. So those aspects are also
important to note and again better understand why your martial
art is the way that it is. And again, if
you want to go back to another, you know, earlier
version kind of like you know, well, Windows doesn't really
allow you to, but if you want to go back
(01:04:07):
to it earlier version of Windows, you you you have
that you have that ability to go back because you
have the context, you do have the you know, you
do have a straight line of evolution to be like hey,
we're going to do it this way instead. So I
know that was a long, rounded, badle answer for why
(01:04:30):
martial arts history. But those are the three three aspects
that I look at with martial arts history.
Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Yeah, it's you coming on and you're always welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Not the thing is that they'd just let me know.
I got to things that ThReD, what else?
Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
What else?
Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
What else?
Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
It was a pleasure just like listening to this thing come.
It's like hearing a lot of information from you. I
appreciate uh yeah, man, Yeah, well to say I think
we're done here, we've been over that's like over an hour.
Now that that's typically more. That's more than what I
typically do. So again, I appreciate the insights you've given
(01:05:20):
us today. And uh that said anything else before I
file off.
Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Well one, I want to thank you for having me
on and I I appreciate your questions and the conversation.
And I actually appreciate the questions from the listeners. It's
not every day that I get to, uh do that.
And yeah, if you're you know, if you want to
learn more about martial's history, head over to marsh arshistory
(01:05:49):
dot com, pick up one of my books and just
look out for, you know, the new book hopefully coming
out next year. So yeah, again, thank you so much
for having me. I really I really appreciate this. This
is great.
Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Last name l I mean a L l oh.
Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Type that into Amazon and where else wherever else books
are available to check them out. Also type of type
of types insights, Spotify and all the other podcast forms
and you'll find and you'll see what you see us
about him from social media type of name and you
got that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Uh find a lot a lot of information, a lot
of good stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
I always appreciate having a fellow right on the platform,
just to chop it up with them saying.
Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
And uh yeah, who knows?
Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Uh hm, so do you still so I'm not ask
a question, but real quick, uh so what do do
do have any intentions of like competing.
Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Currently? However, I I feel, I feel in the future.
I think, I think I may. I know. I said
to myself that I was going to try and compete
in Olympic fencing this year, and I have it. There's
actually been some life events, you know, not not horrible
(01:07:28):
but positive ones that just kind of kind of made
it difficult. And I didn't want to make make my
life hectic, you know, just to compete real quick. So
excuse me. So I think I think I will when
I'm I'm not sure and actually and hey, it actually
(01:07:50):
might be past my prime. But you know who knows.
Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Put the boots back on, well Brody in martial arts.
But if you ever had to go back in the ring, right,
whatever the metaphor is, right, you know, you know I
asked I know I asked that question because I'm working
on this.
Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
I got I got a little secret project I got.
Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Going on in the background saying but what you have
to compete right, let me know, let me know about.
Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
But with that said, uh, well speak of we were
stuff up. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta do you
call it? Charge my laptop because about to die.
Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
I gotta play spect to see how see how it
came out, and I gotta wait for the process. Well
upload it, wait for the process, and then redistribute it
to all the Barrier to Apple, Blueberry, all the Berries,
Fruit podcast on. So and I got phone calls to make,
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so I'm gonna start off right here right now.
Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
I look forward to them absolutely. But again, anybody like
I always say, unto when I come back.
Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
I might. I think I'm coming back. It's most plenty, right,
I think I'm coming back on Wednesday Live at five,
like I always do.
Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
So until that time, at least until that time, I
can always say stay safe, stay out of trouble, and
I'll see.
Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
You back Wednesday Live at five, SGP Radio dot com.
Right now, all right, man a right,
Saturday afternoon five time. As you're listening to this or
seeing this, we're alive in the studio.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
In Queens, New York. Her I know what it is.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm back by guest. I told he's going to beyond here.
He's beyond here.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Have tective Antonio or lawyer? What's up? Man? I'm sorry,
I don't drop oh music, but there you are.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
That's okay, thank you for having me. How how are
you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm good. I'm good. So real quick, right.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Before I get everything together, right, tell everybody about yourself,
because I just found out some two things that I
know about you.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Okay, yeah, so me, uh, I'm in. I'm an author.
I'm a March arts historian. I also run the a
martial arts online chronicle marsh Arts Today and Tomorrow, where
I put up a lot of my research, a lot
of my uh thoughts, opinions, and a lot of interviews
(01:02):
which formed the basis of my work. So that's kind
of the long and short of it. Oh and one
more thing. I also do martial arts, which is kind
of one of the reasons I got into martial arts history.
So yeah, that's the you know, that's the that's the
short of it.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Okay, cool, cool cool. So I'm gonna just go off
to call it off schedule here because I.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Like my notes. I was gonna go like, I'm not
gonna go on order here. So that's the premise of
our interview today. When I first get.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
When I first get into martial arts, is that what
you're asking? Yeah, So I wound getting into martial arts
as a child. It was, you know, at least kindergarten,
the first grade, but my parents were already doing martial arts,
so they kind of brought me into aikito first and
then kind of went into tongue sudo, which is kind
(02:07):
of is is very much like taekwondo. Uh though though
you'll have some some people say otherwise, but outside looking
in right, and then I continue with aikto, I added
gudo to the mix, and then uh, the last, you know,
the latest thing that I've added to the mix was
(02:30):
Olympic fencing, which was like three years ago. I think,
if I get my years right, so yeah, my, you know,
my parents kind of just kind of opened up the
door for for me. And to be honest, when I
was actually starting research on what what would become my
first book, that's a whole other story too. I kind
(02:53):
of just realized that this is what I want to
do with you know, part of my life is martial arts.
So uh, you know, kind of made that commitment in
the senior year of undergrad college. So you know, here
it is, how many years later, I'm still doing it.
So okay, that's kind of.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Still and and you're going to school.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Well, I, well, I completed school. So I did undergraduate
for history, and I did graduate for history again, and
then one of also doing a grad school for education
and I completed that degree in last year. So I'm
(03:37):
officially done in school at least, you know, officially, And yeah,
that's where I'm at right now.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Okay, okay, one though, right, those are just two bumps studied.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yes, those were those are the four main ones that
I study. That, like, I spent more than a year
specifically just training them. Yeah. More, well, I've I've I've
attended you know, newrous self defense classes as as was
part of the you know school that I'm that I
(04:19):
train at, participated in some American Campo karate seminars where
there was actually some they call it Marshall Melding because
the teacher at the at the school that I go to.
He he also did some campo cry back in the day,
and he essentially newer guy from back in the day
(04:42):
the nineties, and and they kind of swapped some things.
So it was so I did some campo, yeah, and
and I and I did some like traditional Japanese ju jujitsu,
a little bit of Brazilian jiu jitsu, but like again
not you know, not to the extent of say ikto, judo, fencing,
(05:04):
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Got you, gotcha, gotcha? So year of all study here.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So yeah, so the years wow, oh, I started training.
I started training IQ in two thousand and two, so
that was that's twenty three years now. Judo I started
in twenty teen. That's math, thank you, twenty seventy years.
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There's six seven years. Lipping fencing I did since well
that's been three years now, since twenty twenty two. And
then I've I'm actually a little hazy on the taekwondo
years because I did that when I was a kid,
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and my sense of time was not really it was
not really there.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
So was was this all the things?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Uh, this was not all the same school, so my
taekwondo was at a different school that was down that
was down like a that was down a ways from
my IQ school. My my iq O school or my
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IQ teacher has been the same throughout the twenty odd years.
The judo I actually started that in in grad school
while I was at Westchester. That was that was the
Westchester Judo Club, and I found it there, and I
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you know, I trained there, and there was this one
black belt who would come every every practice. Unfortunately on
the went to like one or two practices a week.
So there's that that one black belt whose name I forget.
And then I went down to I went down to
a club or a school down in Brittmar, which has
(07:28):
now since the pandemic switched to or changed locations quite
a bit. But that school was affiliated with the that
school was affiliated with the Westchester Club, so it was
kind of like, hey, here's some extra training, and like,
I have extra time on Sundays. So so I went
(07:48):
there and then actually, like in in the middle of COVID,
things just started to stop. And then I I approached
my HUE instructor, since I know he it some uh
some some geo in the nineties and early two thousands,
I'm like, hey, is it possible that we can have
(08:09):
a program here at the i Q school, and I
somehow convinced him to create a program. So so then
my i Q teacher is now my GEO teacher at
at the same time. Uh. And then and fencing, I
found I found one that was I found that a
(08:30):
club that was all the way out in writing PA
which was which only means once a week. And uh,
they're they're very focused on the camaradi and and and
the fun of the sport. But it's been it's been
fun since then, and it's been only been three years,
(08:52):
but still it's still fun. It's a little bit frustrating
because everything's based around a match, but other than that,
it's still still fun.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Okay, okay, Uh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I'm geting little distress because even now as we're alive, right,
I'm still getting like text messages from various listeners.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
We'll got stuff they want to ask you, stuff like that.
So forgive me back to that.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Uh oh, I'm caught up now, Okay, back back, So
quick question before I.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Go into the ruin of the matter here.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So I okay, so you're six years old, you're starting
martial arts, right, So what since then, right, what got you? Like,
what got you to studying other second style and then
a third style, et cetera, cetera. So I'm asking too much,
like what prompted you to begin studying a second style.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Of No, no, no, that's a good question. I'm trying
to remember back to the taekwondo days, because we did
taekwondo and we did aketo. But I don't remember why
we especially, you know, specifically did taekwondo. I know both
my parents also did taekwondo when they uh, you know,
(10:13):
when they were kids, So it may have been something like, hey,
excuse me, let's do something both at the same time.
See what see what happens. But when when I got
into judo, I was doing some research into aiketo's history
(10:34):
here in America because it was kind of part of
it was really part of my senior capstone course in
my undergraduate years. So so many of the IQ like
IQ pioneers, whether they'd be Japanese or American or whoever
flavored in between, uh, they all did a second art,
(10:55):
second or third art, and a lot of people came
from judo, especially some of the early Japanese pioneers and practitioners.
So I'm like, hey, let's reverse engineer this and let's
go into judo. So judo was kind of that way
of connecting back to these older and some now dead
(11:19):
pioneers because you know, because they went from judo, were
from karate to aikto, and there was a definite shift
in their focus. So I kind of wanted to figure
that out. And also everyone seemed to have judo experience
and that kind of helped them better understand a you know,
(11:41):
a pitted altercation, which I'm also interested in trying to
figure out more and how it applies to aikto. That's
also a whole other conversation with Olympic fencing. Funny enough,
I was reading a book about the history of fencing
or swordsmanship in Europe and I said, you know what,
(12:05):
this Olympic fencing thing seems a little easy that I
can probably do. And boy, after the ten week introduction course,
was I completely an uly wrong because I lost every
single time afterwards. But I I, I don't know, for
(12:25):
some reason, I stuck with it for the three years
of like this is something that I wanted to do,
and actually fine enough during one IQO seminar someone was like,
you know, there's no real sword technique in aikido, but
you know, me and this other guy we did fencing
Olympic fencing for like, you know, seven years, ten years plus,
(12:48):
so that there was some sort of extra training with
swords that was being properly tested and everything. So I'm like, okay,
well maybe I'll stay.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
With yeah, but can you hear me? Well keep sorry,
keep going.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah it's okay. Uh, technology is always a pain the butt,
but yeah, no, that that that one seminar was was
was kind of like, oh, maybe I should stick with
Olympic fetzing just a little bit while longer and to
see where they can give me. But yeah, so that's
(13:31):
you know, so that's kind of like the long way
around as to why I got into some other some
other arts.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Okay, okay, but but it's a lot said a lot
all right, but might be when so you brought up
a problem like success competing like an accolade and the.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
No, I I haven't officially gone out and competed anywhere.
I've kind of always felt that like if I can't
consistently win in the school, then I'm kind of wasting
my time outside. But then again, yeah, I've never been
like super competitive in my you know, even growing up.
(14:17):
I mean, I know, growing up, my parents enrolled me
and my sister into like soccer, baseball. I really sucked
at baseball. Football also sucked at football. Uh you know,
I never played basketball, but soccer was like the main one.
But like, I never really been like super competitive, and
(14:38):
I guess that's kind of transferred over to my adult years.
And I guess there's I don't know, so that that
just kind of where I'm at. I mean, you know,
even with judo or fencing. Yeah, it's it's it's just
I'm kind of I'm I'm trying to figure out, I
guess how these techniques work better, I guess, and control
(15:01):
environment in a way without going out and competing against
other people and trying to get that that uh, that
gold medal. But maybe maybe sometime in the future I
will change and see and see what happens. But yeah,
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competing was never really one of my main things to do.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Okay, all right, Okay, that's what that said. What I'm
gonna do now, which all I want just change the
pace real quick. And because I have one, I ONCET
can't wait to won't be her, So I'm gonna patchas call.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Okay, okay, yeah, cool, bet uh.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Let me see something I'm calling right now. Most second,
we'll recalling him, all right, let me see.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Let's see.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Le's see who he picks up. He's been knocking. I
put back. He was trying. He was trying to all
but like I didn't want to cut you off.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Come on, come on, come on, I don't think we're
gonna get him, all right, all right, so I'll try
to get later one.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But the same guy did text me some questions, so
if I don't get him back, I just ask him that.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Uh So that said, uh, real quick, real quick, let
me see what I have here, okay, bet best so
all right, so let's transition. So we've talked about you
as the martial artists, right and uh so I gotta
say real quick, right, you know it's not that. Now
we're gonna talk about you as like the author, the writer,
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right And I got to say, right, I, I are
you for that because especially because at such a young age,
we did so much, already studied so much discipline started
like the work ethic.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So I want to say I I applaged like we're
the same. It's like like thirty, you know, and I
could there be like that.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So I taught you, okay, thank you. I mean I
also I also liked a little bit of karate too
while I was like like a kid, no, uh well
like my teenage years. Yeah, I think I was. Yeah,
I think I was like an adult when when I
stopped doing karate. Yeah, I h six, Yeah, I was
(17:42):
still going to I was still going I was going.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
To college, my uh last big karate, so so out
of that, yeah, but that's yeah, So yeah, did you
do son? That's that's why I I did.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I did not. I'm just trying to no, I No,
I didn't do shown. I did American Campo karate, which
you know, there's a lot of talk with that. But
what I found throughout my research is that Sholocan was
kind of like the baseline for most of the karate
(18:23):
that would either come through Asia or or or America.
So even if you know, even if you haven't done
shook I think, you know, I think there's still enough
overlap that someone can integrate into into Shookan.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
So like, actually I was from Awards and the form
Soccatas and also competing in the spa and.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
A little plaque. Let's you can on the other side,
like my clothes hanging, but like you see them. What
was gonna say, as my training thought, forgive me what's
the called? What's the what's it called?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Oh, I was gonna say real quick on a selfish note,
so like I don't know how like other dojos do it,
like how like how their system is right and whatever.
But like I was, I I last I left well,
I didn't well left is the wrong word. I was
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one belt shy of becoming a black belt and I
never earned. I never earned a back belt like I
was like the one book below it. So I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna lie right, I'm actually considering swunk
to string, like going back to set my black belt,
to finish the story as they say wrestling nowadays, you know,
(19:58):
because especially like not for my yeah, yeah, for myself
as well. It's like you no finish when I started.
And also I want to just be influce with on
my daughters, you know, like you know, discipline you gotta
see through. So I'm strong considering going back to my
dojo and finishing my black belt. But you know, and yeah,
(20:19):
I can have all these excuses about time and energy,
but if it's something I want to do, like, I'll
like like I'll find.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
The way to balance it. I'm saying, So I just
want to say that real quick. What else?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
What else?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
What else?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
What else?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
What else?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
What else?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Two more questions if I move on to my next portion.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
So one of them is if we had if we
had children, would want to them bring them into martial arts?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Oh yeah, definitely, definitely I was. I mean I was
raised in a martial arts family. I mean my father,
my mother, my sister, myself, we all, we all did
it and we still continue to do it. So yeah,
you know, and that actually wands up being one of
the one of those topics or conversations that that still
(21:13):
keeps us together in a way. So it's it's a
it's so yes, all all those experiences that I've had,
I would want to have my kids into martial's hands down.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Okay, Yeah, I really think.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I really think it's really good for children because it
teach them it's little the discipline, commitment, a love of maturity.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
And I'm saying, is that there.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
My sense they once told me, right, like if you
write your resume and you're applying for a job. When
you see down your resume, i'll let your black belt
that they'll hire you because the show's commitment medication, every
uh that that employee will want in a in a
modern employee, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
So I recommend that everybody recommended. We're just fighting whatever.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Physical thing and like a mental thing as well, stuff
like that, and perhaps a spiritual thing too. But oh
and the last thing on my next portion would be
we'll put like dojo's and the and the sense that
you've all studied.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Okay, So with Taekwondo, I I won't think the schools
are around anymore. With with the first teacher, his name
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was Camdo, I don't remember his first name, but that
was that was the first dojo in first teacher. And
with taekwond we moved to was it am core, yeah,
am Core and it was under madness again, I don't
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remember the first name. The iqo place, the Akio dojo
is Asahi Dojo or Sahi con dojo, kind of like
the Japanese beer Asahi uh. Anyway, it's like you know,
the morning Sun dojuh, that's what it translates to. And
(23:38):
that that teacher is Michael and then he also became
my judo instructor. The previous jew instructor was Tom Blair
from Mainline Judo, which now has changed names to Brittler Judo.
And I don't think Blair is doing judo as much
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as I think he wants to do jud though COVID
screw up a lot of things for uh some for
for for many people. I think he was also hospitalized
to I could I could be wrong. And then Olympic fencing.
(24:21):
There's no real like main coach in the club because
it's more like, you know, club full filled with peers.
But the president of the club has been helpful is
Dan Dan Bunny bon Bonfido, another Italian name that I
(24:43):
have trouble spelling.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Not familiar. Dad felt familiar. Look, maybe I might know him, Okay,
maybe I mean who I mean?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Ok maybe? Then you know. Then then the founder of
that club was John Weaver. And and there was another
coach there. I mean, what's also funny is that I'm
also a coach there. There's there's there's another coach there,
(25:18):
Ah Zach and Bruce. That's a father son duo and
uh yeah, just you know, just all those coaches together.
They they they they offer assistance when needed, especially when
when they've been asked, which has been great because then
(25:39):
it's not like from the you know, far side of
the room you're getting shouted at for like like what
am I doing? But yeah, those are you know, those
are all the Oh sorry, the club is Burke's fencing
club that's based out of writing while missing. Yeah, so
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that's you know, that's kind of the whole get kaboodle.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Okay, okay, but.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Let's turn the page to the next chapter. So you've
heard heard quite a lot about you when you're you're
coming up as a martial artist. Tell us about you
as a writer.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, sure, goodly. I've been. I've been interested in writing
and trying to publish books since I think I was
a kid. I mean, I I don't think many people
know this, but I I wanted to write fiction first,
and I wound up writing a whole book on some
(26:43):
like supernatural historic fiction set in medieval Japan with samurais
and everything. I went completing I guess what I would
call like a first real draft of of a book,
and then part of a second one. And then I said,
you know what, I'm not going to do anything with it.
(27:03):
And then somewhere along the way, I said, you know what,
I'm going to try and rewrite it. And that never
went anywhere because I guess that was also around the
time where I was starting to get into my first
round of grad school, and I guess some things just
started to change. Also, if I wanted to rewrite the
whole thing, I need to excuse me. I needed to
(27:25):
figure out kind of a whole new story, a whole
new characters. Nice cool thing was, since I'm a kind
of historian, I just went and got historical characters and
just started to put things into other places. But yeah,
that never went anywhere. I'm not sure why I didn't
go anywhere.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
But when when I was in.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Again, when I was in my capstone senior seminar for history,
that's really where this whole writing thing, or this historical
writing thing happened. Because the the so so, I needed
to write a paper X amount pages long, X amount
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of words on a topic that was almost kind of
free range. It was. It was actually kind of like
pop history in or American pop history or something like that,
American popular culture, something like that. The teacher there was
doctor Charles Hardy, And you know, at first I didn't
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think I was gonna like him, and then he becomes
like the guy that would just help me really write
this paper or at least get get get what I
needed to on on on this paper. So I'm again,
I'm truly indebted to him in the academic sense to
putting together that paper and actually putting together you know
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what essentially would become my first book, because I first
wanted to do something on you know, Samurai, and I
couldn't read Japanese and He's like, I mean, you should
try to find something else. So I scoured and I'm like, oh,
I'll just do some IQ history because you know, before
I was reading you know, short biographies of people within
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within the art, and there was never really anything on
uh the Americans who actually helped push the art, whether
you know, in you know, in conjunction with or separately
to you know, to their Japanese counterparts and teachers. So
that was like fifteen weeks of what the hell am
(29:35):
I going to do with all this IQ information? Uh?
So wound up getting you know, I want getting a
passing grade. And at the end, I'm like, I think
I'm want to turn this into a book, and Hardy says,
I think you should do it on a on a
you know, like an article scale, like having like thirty
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X pages and all this other stuff. And I'm like,
I'm gonna make in the book. It's great, I'm gonna
make it in a book. So that's really where it
got started into like creating some sort of like really
kind of started my writing career. And I know when
I got to grad school, after my first semester, there
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was this whole thing of like, you know, anti fascism
was you know, what was one of the courses, And
after going back and forth, I'm like, oh, hey, here's
you know, here's the Japanese American Internment camps with anti fascism.
I wound up making something happen for that. But then
one of the things after that was you know, where
else would this go? And I'm like maybe they did
(30:44):
martial arts there. And then that's literally where I just
kind of went from and like, oh yeah, this is
you know, this is great sort of thing. So I
that's kind of I guess the beginnings of the writing
part where it started in school, and it just kind
of kept being influenced by school, and it's now something
(31:07):
that like if I don't do you know, do some
write or do some research in in the week, I'm like,
what the hell am I doing with my time?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Question? I'm back to my next come up to questions
because they're more.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
So I'm going to answer, I am I'm going to
ask to destroy answer questions.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Uh so, real quick? Is there a new book?
Speaker 3 (31:46):
New one I'm focusing more on because actually I started
writing that one and and that just kind of took
off on its own and like, I can, I can
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do this. So not to give too much away, it
is a biography similar to another biography I released h
September of last year, but it's about an IQ, a
practitioner in New York who's been there since nineteen seventy five.
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So I'm going through his life in Japan in America
and then actually part three is actually his time in
like more time in America. But I'm really like, I'm
really getting it. I don't say I'm getting in in,
you know, into the weeds with him, but it's just
(32:48):
I'm you know, I'm trying to be very detailed in
the biography, just try and take everything that's already out
there and point it into a coherent narrative because you know,
always there's you know, there's interviews about anybody from someone's
(33:11):
point of view, and it's always just one one angle
that you know that that that person kind of really
interacted with, you know, said person to you know, to
have the biography. So I'm trying to get all all
these different viewpoints from from from his students and from
former students to make that narrative and and to make
(33:33):
that biography. The second one, the second book that's in
the works, that's a little bit on on the back burner,
but I hope to uh start that hopefully hopefully by
next year sometime excuse me, or continue on with It
is again about another Japanese martial arts throughout and it's
(33:55):
history throughout America. Actually it's only going to be to
the Western States because that's how that's where I have
a lot more information on or or at least just
information that that that that I have found or that
I have conducted, so that I can put that all together.
(34:17):
There is going to be a again, there's gonna be
a Japanese section because again all these martials comes from Japan.
And then and then there's going to be a pre
war section and a post war section, and if some
people actually get back to me, I'll do a COVID
section to see how that they how they and their
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schools and the art has changed, adapted and evolved since
the COVID pandemic.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Okay, or this guy.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Say that again, I'm sorry, like an et A like time,
this or is got to stay tuned to find out.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
ETA. So on this next biography that I'm currently working on,
I hope to be done writing it by the end
of this year, so then they can come out next year. Again,
that's that's the plan, and then I haven't thought too
much about the next book. I just know if I
(35:23):
finish writing this year on this third book, then theoretically
I can start writing next year. But I think it's
going to take a little bit while longer because there's
a lot more sources that I need to consult then
(35:44):
this biography, So hopefully with that one. So next year's
twenty twenty six, so maybe in twenty twenty eight ish
is the next book that's going to come out, Maybe
twenty twenty nine, depending on again how life works and
how much is involved.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
But yeah, yeah, so stay toy by state. So real quick,
well plug your website real quick.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Arts of yesterday, today and tomorrow, or how I refer
it is Mayat Actually I think I've had some people
call call it matt or mate, but whatever works. It
still gets you know, my my name out there somehow,
some way.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
But what's the r o.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Oh you are ol it is it is martial artistory
dot com. So it's singular martial.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Art Marshall Marshal art mark.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Martial art no no as art history.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yes artistory dot com. Ay right to that will quit?
That will quit, I presume, because well what I'll get
back to that. We'll get back to that. We'll get
back to that. But you're writing, what like, what else
is next? Like what besides your writing? When you covered that,
(37:21):
what's the next besides you're writing?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Creating some sort of quote unquote podcast or a YouTube
channel or or a yeah yeah kind of like a
digital archive of all the interviews that I've done with
you know, their their uh audio files and such. But
(37:58):
I just I just seem to not have I have
had the time for that. Like I actually thought I
would be doing some of that YouTube video stuff this summer,
and here it is in July, and I haven't even
started because I guess I prioritize writing my new book
instead of doing some YouTube stuff. You know.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Mhm oh, I'm saying but and I.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
And I'm like, it's you the fuc mh like and
that's like, that's about well in karate, especially because like
Kanye motions.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
So I learned to what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
That.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
So mhm.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
All this stuff h m hm.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
H m.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
M.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
But all right, So I'm back to the question that
I skipped. I wanna do I wanna look at lightning round? Okay,
So like I will actually a single question and you'll
try to ask as briefly as possible.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I hate the sound rude. I hate I hate the sound.
Ky real quick in one second.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Once again, I'll make short and miss anything here, uh
real quick, Uh, tell us about.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Tell us about m A y T.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
T website, my online chronicle where I put all my research.
It really is a lot of interviews done by actually
done by me, kind of running the gambit of whatever
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martial arts that you can think of it. If it's
Japanese based martial art, if if there's a sword in it,
if there's not a sword, in it. It's going to
be there. I also have articles where actually some of
my grad school papers were actually we repurposed and put
on there. And also there's a lot of editorials by
(40:37):
me and by a few other authors as well. So
if you're if you're bored and you want to check
out some interviews from so many other different people that
do different martial arts, go there and enjoy yourself.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Okay, the Akito Journal.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Yeah, so, i Q Journal. That was I worked for
them in first as an intern and then on a
contracting basis all the way up till give me a
second twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three. I need
to look at my resume again, but there so, so
(41:22):
i Q Journal is kind of like the main source
for Aikdo practitioners to kind of go and find out
more about its history and some of the things that
are going on in the Mayrin era. It was first
founded by a guy named Stanley Briann out in California.
Unfortunately he passed away due to cancer in March twenty seventeen,
(41:46):
and then it was kind of moved over. Leadership was
moved over to a person named Josh Gold, who was
also based out in California. He has since made or
create did something called Blue Blue Accelerator, sort of his
way of trying to give back to the i Q
(42:06):
community and also create pipeline into the i Q community
from uh, you know with with younger students. Yeah, and
IQ Journal still kind of ranks up there as you know,
the source for a lot of people to go and
get some information, whether it's you know, recent or or
(42:29):
slightly dated. It's it's still considered that standard amongst IQ practitioners. Uh. Yeah.
So traditional Mars arts and this is kind of where
(42:50):
we get a little weird. Traditional mark Arts considers that
they have a lineage dating back maybe centuries ago. If
we if we talk to cry people, especially of Chokan,
they they can they can transferve lineage back to uh
Funakoshi from Okinawa, you know to the nineteen twenties. Sorry, yeah, yeah,
(43:22):
there you go, there you go. But yeah, so and
within that lineage, they they they they want to maintain
what has been laid out to them, uh in previous generations.
(43:43):
And you know, and sometimes they're stuck to a form
and and in that form is how they differentiate themselves
from other either traditional martial arts or mixed martial arts
or sports martial arts. So then mixed martial arts is
where they kind of take things from a myriad of
(44:05):
other martial arts and put together and try and make
everything work in tandem with each other. So they'll take
like well modern m m A is boxing, more Thai,
Brazilian jiu jitsu, judo, that's for I might be missing
some other things, but those are like the four main
(44:25):
ones that as as I've seen, they they kind of
draw from. So in one way, and you know, and
you know, I might be making this into a TED
talk a little bit. But if we if we look
at actually some of the like original or just the
(44:46):
older traditional martial artists, and again I'll use IQ as example,
a lot of these guys did like some sort of karate,
they did judo, they did something else on top of
or connect or connected to aikido. So in their way,
they were already making something mixed martial arts where they
(45:08):
putting it strictly together and sort of kind of just
putting some putting all three of the crisis together and
then making it into you know, mixed martialts as is
they you know, I'm I'm not sure, but they had
an idea of what was you know, of what was
(45:28):
what art and what worked in which thing. So, actually
I just published in an article, a contributed article editorial
that that that the author was saying that there is
stuff from traditional martial arts, whether it be from kung
fu or or karate or anything else, that mixed marshal
(45:50):
mixed martial artists can use in their arsenal. And because
people don't use these things that that he was saying,
whether it's some sort of reverse punch or some type
of kick or whatever, that you can get you know,
a leg up on your competitors doing so. So it
was kind of like looking for a golden technique or
(46:12):
golden slew of techniques that would just catch someone off guard.
So without giving it much of the credit's due or
the time that it's due. There is stuff that traditional
martforts can learn from mixed martial arts, and there's stuff
that mixed martshalts can learn from traditional martial arts. The
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only thing that's I guess maybe hindering it is the
methods in which both of them are using. But again
that's going to be a whole other discussion.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
We are points where I am out of question for myself.
So I'm going to take it to listener questions. All right,
So people have the hot line nine one seven via text,
phone call, or or voicemail. I'm gonna be bringing text obviously,
(47:13):
because if I were, if I were gonna you know,
answer the phone or read, I mean, listen to a voicemail,
would happen now. But yeah, this person texted the hot
line at nine one seven two eight three eight ninety five.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Sticks.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
This person asks, hm, hm, yess you already answered that
my fault? Oh okay?
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Which was the more okay? Which the quote for you
to learn?
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Which that was more what for me to learn? Oh? Difficult?
You know, they're all kind of difficult in their own way.
And I'm not trying to like give you a crappy answer,
but there's aspects of of like here that are just difficult,
(48:11):
kind of just relaxing and just kind of flowing with
with what's been given, you know, especially if your partner's
not really doing the same. I'll tell you what. What
was difficult in the beginning, especially with Judo, was actually
like applying the techniques on someone who just didn't want
(48:32):
to go anywhere, who was really who is really stiff
or just resistant because they would just either pull back
or again just rely on muscle and then and and
that was a little frustrating because I'm like, well, I
can you know, I was taught to lead in in IQ.
The why is it's not working over here? You know,
(48:53):
besides the fact that took me a little bit that, like,
you know, Judo and I qu even though they came
from sure the same route of Jude, you two, they're
not really the same thing. So I can't be applying
my vast like Q knowledge to Judo when like I
don't know how to like quote unquote played you correctly.
(49:15):
Difficult Also in Olympic fencing is when you're just facing
somebody who's just you know, leaves some bounds better than you,
and you're like, I gotta freaking hit them, and you
can't no matter how hard you try, you know, even
though I only had like, you know, a year of
experience at that time that I'm thinking about right now.
(49:37):
But you know, I guess winning consistently in Olympic fencing,
since it is considered more of a sport than the
martial art, that's kind of that's kind of difficult and
also kind of decoding what your coach or coaches kind
of say to you and apply them in you know,
(49:59):
on the strip, because is it's like, well, this person
just said to do this, and this other person says
to do that, and you know, I'm trying to do
what one person or both people are trying to say
and it's not working, and so why is it not working?
And it's like, well, it's all you know, all this
timing stepts, Like then why are you telling me this?
So it's so so yeah. So that's so that's what
(50:22):
was difficult about both those arts or all three of
those arts.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
I'm all half talking, am I? Sorry?
Speaker 1 (50:38):
Okay? How can how can you apply martial arts to
your physical and mental well being?
Speaker 3 (50:57):
They're just a system and then there there a system
filled with routines or structured rituals depending on which scarlett
you ask. So you can take that that sort of
approach in structuring how you want your body to be, uh,
(51:19):
and also your mental well being. So if you want
to be more calm under pressure or under stress, which
I think most of us want to it's really hard,
then you would want to take some time to excuse
me ensure that you are treating yourself to get to
(51:39):
that level of calmness, that that that that you want.
Same thing with the physical if you want to do
again lifting weights, which is what I'm thinking of doing
later on today, is is uh, you know, figure out
a routine that that that you want to do again,
(52:02):
because since martial training is just routine based, you just
figure out what you want to do with lilifting weights
or going out and doing cardio you're running or marathon
running or walking or whatever it is that is exercise
that you know, I don't know what you do, whether
it be yoga, you still got to set assign time
for that, and then you also gotta make efforts to
(52:27):
maintain it because then that's your own schedule, that's your
own training. Yeah. So really, you know, find the routine
that works best for you, and then you just gotta
kind of gotta remind yourself that you've gotta do that routine.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Where can you consume your writing?
Speaker 3 (52:54):
And so officially, where where you consume my writing in
book format is really on Amazon or any sort of
major book book distributor. So I got I got two
books right now, it's I'm just gonna show them to
(53:17):
the screen real quick. Uh, it's Takehiko is Chikawa Judo's
Quiet Master. This is what what just came out in
September of last year. You can get this on Amazon
or anywhere else that is major bookstores mostly online. Uh, well,
the first one that the other one is i Q
comes to America again. You can find this on Amazon
(53:40):
or any other major book Uh. This distributors.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
And then uh, is it exclusively by is it exclusively
online or the hard copy versus tool? Uh?
Speaker 3 (53:55):
It's exclusively online if you want a I mean, if
you want to Actually, it's exclusively online. There's an e
book of both of them, and then there's also filicial
copies of both of them. Actually, the Ischikawa one has
a hardback, so if you like hardbacks, you know, it's
actually looks really nice. Unfortunately these are both paperbacks. Yeah,
(54:19):
and then the other way, if you don't feel like
paying for my writing, you can go on to martial
artistory dot com or just type in martial Arts of
Yesterday's Day and Tomorrow, and then there you can find
everything that I've wrote so far, whether it's articles at editorres,
my own opinions, somebody else's opinions. Since I do post
(54:41):
contributing material and interviews, which actually has been my bread
and butter for most of the most of my time
with it. So if you're interested in learning stuff about
kendo lightsaber fighting, excuse me historic you're European fencing, I kito,
(55:03):
judo karate. I'm sure I'm missing some things in there too.
Go ahead look at it, enjoy. I'm whatever you think
you know you can think of. I may have something.
I most likely have something for you. If not, then
just go and explore. I mean, it's I'm creeping up
(55:23):
to five hundred posts. Hopefully I get that done by
the end of this year. But yeah, so there's something.
I mean, if you can't find something, reach out to
me and I'll try and find something for you.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
Are you available, I mean available? Are you on social media?
Speaker 3 (55:44):
Yes? I'm on social media. Do you just type in
marsh arts yesterday's stay tomorrow or m A Y T
T in Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. I am on Reddit. You
can also find me on Spotify and YouTube. Fun enough,
I do have like two interviews audiutilize on on YouTube
(56:09):
and Spotify, which again I've been meaning to get back to.
I don't know where I'm going to get back to that,
but if you feel like reading, you can always go
to you know, the website. One thing I should point
out is that I've been updating Facebook more often than
any of the other ones because WordPress doesn't post to
(56:31):
Twitter or anything else like that. So yeah, or sorry X,
my bad because that whole thing. But yeah, Facebook is
kind of where you find a lot more of the
recent stuff. But I am I'm on all the platforms.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
Okay, real quick, there's one person access now, right. Do
you watch and follow modern wrestling?
Speaker 3 (56:59):
What do you mean mind wrestling? Is that w W? No?
I I I have not. I know I wanted to
when I was a kid, and I think I did
a little bit, But no, I no, I don't.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
Okay, it's fine, all right, but but but I have
one final question.
Speaker 6 (57:24):
Before I or let you go. But if I release you,
before I the what you call it like a before,
you're free for your free.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
And that is that is why martial arts history.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
Yeah, well, thank you for that. H Well one, So
I'll split this up. So the first part is one.
When I was getting in to all all this, you know,
(58:04):
you know, especially for my first book it comes to America,
there was a lot of focus on the Japanese practitioners.
There was always some sort of bio that you could
find readily available somewhere somehow, whether it's in books or
you know, Wikipedia or the Internet somehow. So there was
always that there, but there wasn't enough of it. And
(58:30):
I feel that what I'm doing is kind of creating well, well, actually,
actually it's kind of creating books that you know, that
I wanted to see when I was first getting into
this in like twenty seventeen and earlier, because there's you know,
there's so many books on technique and how to do
(58:56):
you know, how you know, how to conduct yourself in
a dojo setting or anything else like that. It's kind
of forgetting that there are other people out there who
have stories to tell. And actually that's what i Q
comes to America is kind of it's kind of is
it's it's it's a it's a collection of stories of
(59:17):
American pioneers of the art, regardless of styles that you
know that you know, besides their own websites, they aren't
really being talked about elsewhere or anywhere for that matter,
So it was kind of a way to bring light
to that or to them. Same thing with the Ishikawa book,
(59:40):
it's it's bringing like to you know, a guy who
was two time All Japan Judo champion that came over
here in the United States that no one talks about today. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (59:58):
So so even even those who made it big in
Japan excuse me, and then came over here and you
know who was literally like the big fish. There isn't
talk about them Ishikawa, you know, since you know, since
his passing or since they're passing. So this leads me
(01:00:22):
into my second part, where, like Marcial's history, I feel
is like an extension of oral history because a lot
of things that I use are people's or won the
interviews that I conduct with them, or interviews that that
that I can find, so that it creates more of
a personalized story of what this teacher was and what
(01:00:46):
they did for either the community, for the art, whether
it you know, whether they created something new for the
art or they were just consistent in staying in that
one place and teaching.
Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
It really is just creating a it's it's kind of
furthering that that world tradition, but then also shining a
spotlight on those who are there and just you know,
seems to make it seems to make whatever comes their
way just try it with that. So really in that regard,
(01:01:30):
while you know, while creating something that I wanted to have,
you know, like almost ten years ago, and focusing on
individuals and what their legacy are, uh yeah, legacies are.
The third part is that Marcial's history, there's there's always
(01:01:54):
an evolution to to the art, and if we forget
about those evolutions and bcifically why those evolutions came came
to be, Like a great example is, excuse me, the
Olympic judo. They took away leg grabs and lake takedowns,
uh so that they didn't get so that people didn't
(01:02:16):
get judo confused with Brazilian jiu jitsu and Greco Roman wrestling.
And if I remember reading some of the stuff right
in the last year year and a half, they did
bring back the lake, you know, the lake takedowns and stuff.
So that so so now the sport aspect of it
is trying to figure out how or the competitors are
(01:02:39):
still trying to figure out how to use this this
new rule h to their to their advantage. So again
that's a you know, that's a very small evolution of
or or context of what jew has experienced. But then
it's also important to note them and see how the
(01:03:02):
art or the sport I mean I get depending on
who you talk to, then reacts to again a rule
change or people leaving the organization and starting their own style,
or just how they interact with other styles. Again, another
example is in the early days with karate, taekwondo, and kickboxing,
(01:03:24):
there's a lot of inter mingling with them because there
was always people from those three martial arts in like
like like full contact sparring tournament, so they all kind
of melted it in together and excuse me and try
(01:03:45):
to figure out a way how to kind of best
the other person, even though that they were not doing
this the same martial arts. So those aspects are also
important to note and again better understand why your martial
art is the way that it is. And again, if
you want to go back to another, you know, earlier
version kind of like you know, well, Windows doesn't really
allow you to, but if you want to go back
(01:04:07):
to it earlier version of Windows, you you you have
that you have that ability to go back because you
have the context, you do have the you know, you
do have a straight line of evolution to be like hey,
we're going to do it this way instead. So I
know that was a long, rounded, badle answer for why
(01:04:30):
martial arts history. But those are the three three aspects
that I look at with martial arts history.
Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Yeah, it's you coming on and you're always welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Not the thing is that they'd just let me know.
I got to things that ThReD, what else?
Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
What else?
Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
What else?
Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
It was a pleasure just like listening to this thing come.
It's like hearing a lot of information from you. I
appreciate uh yeah, man, Yeah, well to say I think
we're done here, we've been over that's like over an hour.
Now that that's typically more. That's more than what I
typically do. So again, I appreciate the insights you've given
(01:05:20):
us today. And uh that said anything else before I
file off.
Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Well one, I want to thank you for having me
on and I I appreciate your questions and the conversation.
And I actually appreciate the questions from the listeners. It's
not every day that I get to, uh do that.
And yeah, if you're you know, if you want to
learn more about martial's history, head over to marsh arshistory
(01:05:49):
dot com, pick up one of my books and just
look out for, you know, the new book hopefully coming
out next year. So yeah, again, thank you so much
for having me. I really I really appreciate this. This
is great.
Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Last name l I mean a L l oh.
Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Type that into Amazon and where else wherever else books
are available to check them out. Also type of type
of types insights, Spotify and all the other podcast forms
and you'll find and you'll see what you see us
about him from social media type of name and you
got that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Uh find a lot a lot of information, a lot
of good stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
I always appreciate having a fellow right on the platform,
just to chop it up with them saying.
Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
And uh yeah, who knows?
Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Uh hm, so do you still so I'm not ask
a question, but real quick, uh so what do do
do have any intentions of like competing.
Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Currently? However, I I feel, I feel in the future.
I think, I think I may. I know. I said
to myself that I was going to try and compete
in Olympic fencing this year, and I have it. There's
actually been some life events, you know, not not horrible
(01:07:28):
but positive ones that just kind of kind of made
it difficult. And I didn't want to make make my
life hectic, you know, just to compete real quick. So
excuse me. So I think I think I will when
I'm I'm not sure and actually and hey, it actually
(01:07:50):
might be past my prime. But you know who knows.
Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Put the boots back on, well Brody in martial arts.
But if you ever had to go back in the ring, right,
whatever the metaphor is, right, you know, you know I
asked I know I asked that question because I'm working
on this.
Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
I got I got a little secret project I got.
Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Going on in the background saying but what you have
to compete right, let me know, let me know about.
Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
But with that said, uh, well speak of we were
stuff up. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta do you
call it? Charge my laptop because about to die.
Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
I gotta play spect to see how see how it
came out, and I gotta wait for the process. Well
upload it, wait for the process, and then redistribute it
to all the Barrier to Apple, Blueberry, all the Berries,
Fruit podcast on. So and I got phone calls to make,
(01:09:05):
so I'm gonna start off right here right now.
Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
I look forward to them absolutely. But again, anybody like
I always say, unto when I come back.
Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
I might. I think I'm coming back. It's most plenty, right,
I think I'm coming back on Wednesday Live at five,
like I always do.
Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
So until that time, at least until that time, I
can always say stay safe, stay out of trouble, and
I'll see.
Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
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