0:00 - Broncos are practicing with the Cardinals today, then playing them in Preseason Game #2 on Saturday. Who needs to have a big game to earn a roster spot?
14:56 - The Broncos defense is stacked, obviously, and we know what to expect from them. The bar is set super high. What does the offense need to bring to the table? How much do they need to contribute?
32:26 - Shedeur Sanders made his preseason debut with the Browns last weekend, and it shattered preseason viewing records. Has there ever been this much buzz for a 5th round QB (or 5th round player in general) in NFL history?
14:56 - The Broncos defense is stacked, obviously, and we know what to expect from them. The bar is set super high. What does the offense need to bring to the table? How much do they need to contribute?
32:26 - Shedeur Sanders made his preseason debut with the Browns last weekend, and it shattered preseason viewing records. Has there ever been this much buzz for a 5th round QB (or 5th round player in general) in NFL history?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is six in the Morning with Brett Caine on demand.
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Sean. You said, after the end of a day too,
about fourteen things they irritated You worked in some of
those things, and what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yeah, there are a lot of different things, and none
of which I'm going to go through.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Now.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
You know, when you take your first road trip and
you're seeing it through my eyes, there's certain notes you make.
It could be sidelines, it could be hotel. It could
be two am there's a festival outside the hotel. It
could be the travel It could be a number of
things that you want to clean up. But I'm not
(00:53):
going to go through all fourteen of them. There's probably
seventeen by the time I got home, all of which
can be cleaned up and easily corrected. And they weren't
necessarily game related, if that makes any sense. It's just
when you do that and you hadn't done it in
a while, and you're doing it with a new group
of people, a lot of interns, a lot of you
(01:16):
can't assume anything.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I got a lot of problems with your people.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Now you're gonna hear about it. I don't know if
I've ever listed out my problems in quite the same
way that Sean Payton has after what was a ultimately
successful road trip. I mean, again, you have some issues
with the first team offense and blah blah blah, But
bottom line is you won thirty to nine. I know
(01:40):
it's a preseason game, but I think there were other
things that were bothering him. Something perhaps a little more
logistics related, we'll say, airplane problems. He said, there's a
what did he say? There was there was a festival
outside the hotel room or something like that. What does
(02:01):
that mean, Jesse? I mean you were there, You tell
me what is a festival of jazz? Festival across the street? So?
Was he just distracted by noise during the night? Is
that what he's all I'm gonna say is I was
on the eighth floor and I could hear the music going.
Oh yeah, So so he's okay.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
So he thought made festival outside the hotel.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I know Common was performing at like nine thirty, and
that was the night before the house Friday night. I see, yeah,
that could be annoying you know. It also could be
I don't, I don't. I don't want to say that
these guys are like trying to intentionally keep somebody up
before a preseason game, but it's a smart thing to
do during the regular season. We got to think about this,
whatever hotel an opposing team is staying at, Nelly, you
(02:46):
and the brass Monkeys or what's what's your name again?
What's your brass band?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
That'd be a better name. We're Gorilla Fanfair brass band.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Gorilla fan Fair. You guys find out what hotel like
the Chiefs are staying at when they come to town
this year, and you guys just start blaring.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, hey, cam Ward, get ready to learn when the
Saints go march again? Buddy, no week one, let's go
mom man. Well, actually, my my conspiracy theory and Jesse,
maybe you can confirm or deny this is that same
weekend that you were out there for the game was
the Outside Lands Music Festival, which is a huge three
day festival in Golden Gate Park. Now, obviously San Jose
(03:23):
is the South Bay that's in Santa Clara. That's pretty
far away from San Francisco. But I didn't know if
maybe some of the after parties like drifted your trail over.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, maybe that's what happened. Okay, so I can see
how that would be annoying. Now here's the deal. Today,
this is our last day here. Correct, this is Thursday.
I'm losing track of my days. H This is joint
practice day between the Broncos and the Cardinals. This I
think is more important to Sean Payton than the preseason game.
(03:52):
Like for us, for a fan base, we want to
go out, We want to see this team during their
opportunity to take the field in a real game situation,
do something of substance. But in reality, it's fifteen to
twenty plays that these guys are getting as far as
the starting unit, and who knows that they're leaving play
(04:14):
this week. I would assume they would, but we don't
know that yet. Days like today I think are more important.
You get way more reps. It is a lot more
of one versus one. It is a lot more of
an opportunity for guys to step up and make plays.
(04:35):
Now it's not gonna be full contact, take to the
ground sort of stuff, but still it is. These are
the evaluation days that I think coaches during the preseason
prize the most you know, when you're gonna get if
you're one of the lucky fans that's here, one of
the lucky eight hundred, you're probably gonna see a little
(04:57):
bit of chippiness. You're probably gonna see a couple of
skuf because that's just what happens when you got teams
in for joint practices. Today's an important day, and I
think it's important for this first team offense in for
Bo Knicks to do right, get better. You know, Uh,
Bo Knicks had such a surprisingly good year last year
(05:19):
that if he didn't, I think maybe this offseason is
seen a little bit differently in that didn't have a
great first preseason game. He's had a couple of practices
that haven't been very sharp, but he's got the established
sort of year's worth of data to pull from where
people like me kind of shrug and go, yeah, whatever,
(05:41):
He'll be fine, you know, because I have trust in
the organization and I have trust in Sean Payton. But
I think today's important, Like I think what Bo Nicks
in the first team offense needs more than anything else
is just to say you had a good day to
leave a practice or a preseason game with your chin up,
(06:05):
chest out and to say that we played well. That's
all this is for, Like all preseason and practice and
all this, it's to establish a confidence so once the
bullets start flying, you aren't freaking out. That's it. It's
like anything else. Anything that you're practicing, you're practicing with
a purpose to get better. Know, when I was playing baseball,
(06:27):
I didn't you were in the batting cage to get
yourself ready when somebody grooves a fastball over the middle
to rip one. It's the same thing here. It's just
and it gives you confidence that when you're in that situation,
you can go out and take the right hack. I mean,
that's what this team is working towards, and that's what
today is going to be about. Joint practice days they're
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just the best because it gives you a real evaluation
of two things. It's how does your team look against
somebody they're not used to and kind of how does
the other team look? You know, there's always it's always
difficult when it comes to this. I remember when I
was covering college football and they do the spring games,
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so it's an inner squad scrimmage and it's kind of
like if one team dominated, then you'd be like, well,
they're either really good or the guys on the other
team are really bad. It's one of the two, and
it's hard to kind of get a grasp on him.
And NFL training camps, you have these training camps where
it's like the offense is dominating, Like dude, our offense
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is gonna be really good. It also could just be
your defense is bad. So once you get to see
things like this against other opponents, it's an easier way
to measure that. But defensively, you know, there's an article
that just came out. There was a quote from Patzertan
that I think is really interesting for him to say
(07:58):
out loud that of what he thinks this defense can be.
So we'll get to that in just a few minutes.
But who is today most important for we've gotten the
or gotten through the Bonnicks in first team offense has
to do better. But this week with joint practices and
(08:18):
then the second preseason game, I've pinpointed I think three
guys that really really need to have a good week.
The names that I brought up yesterday. The first one
I think is pretty obvious. It's Oddric estimate he is.
(08:39):
He's dipped down on the depth chart. He's not getting
a lot of reps with the first team they have.
Joe Lombardi said that they have a log jam at
running back. I don't even know if that's the case.
To me, they got a clear one in two and
then there's Jaliel and then there's everybody else. I don't
(09:02):
know if I call that a logjam. But I go
back to that first preseason game and I start to think, Okay,
what did that look like. It looked like RJ. Harvey
got a lot of run early. JK. Dobbins got a
little bit of mixed in with the first team. Then
they went to Julil, then they went to Tyler Bidet,
(09:23):
and then Blake Watson and then Rodrick estime, when you're
the sixth guy getting into a preseason game in that rotation,
when you're playing your starters, it's not a good sign
for you as far as making the team. And I
think he's got to have a big last few weeks
here before the regular season starts. And it started already.
(09:45):
It had to be at camp and then in the
first preseason game. But if he really wants to make
an impression. There's only a couple opportunities left, and so
joint practice is a huge one. He has to and
and god do I want him to be good because
to have a running back that is his size and
(10:05):
his physicality, it's such an advantage that just a lot
of teams don't have of just brute physical power, and
he possesses that because his body types it. It's insane.
He's built like a bulldozer. So if he can have
a good joint practice here leading into a good second
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game over the weekend, that's gonna be his best shot
to make a case for being that fourth guy. You know.
And he's also somebody I think with Bidet and Blake Watson,
you can get away with carrying three running backs or
whatever and stashing them on a practice squad, like I
don't think they would get picked up. They might, but
(10:48):
I don't think so. I don't think Odric Estimay is
going to be cut and then put on a practice squad.
I think somebody would grab him. So it's just a
matter of is he going to make the Broncos or not.
So he's number one, Number two. There's a guy that
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has had promise, he's got upside, but he's had issues.
And that's jasar Rique if you remember so. He's twenty
seven years old now. He was drafted in twenty twenty
two as a fourth rounder. They thought he could be
(11:31):
a big piece of a presence in the defensive line
on the interior, and then he got suspended for a
year for gambling stuff. Dealt with some injuries, but has
not really had the opportunity to shine. So he's been
back off camp, got some preseason action in Week one,
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And you want to talk about a logjam, I don't
think it's that running back. I think it's at the
d line positions. They're the best in the league last year.
If you're the best in the league at any sort
of position group, it's already going to be tough to
make the final roster because you got a lot of
talent there, and he doesn't have the experience to kind
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of lean on. But when you look at what the
offensive line is bringing or the defensive line is bringing
to the table, and the Zach Allens and Jfms and
Malcolm Roaches and DJ Jones and all these guys in
the interior, it's a very very tough thing to try
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and project more bodies being thrown into the mix on
that defensive line. You know, I've taken a look at
some people and their projections for what the fifty three
man roster looks like, and he he is in there
on some of them, but I don't think it's going
to be a guarantee. There's another guy named Jordan Jackson
is having a pretty good camp that's trying to push
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his way in there too. You have the rookie Savion Jones,
who's going to make this roster because not only is
he a mid round pick as a rookie, he's also
had some really good moments, not only in camp, but
in that first preseason game. He looks like he's a player.
So that one's just stacked up. I don't think they're
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gonna carry any more than six. So is the Wazir
Riq gonna be that six guy? I think days like
today and the preseason game over the weekend are really
gonna prove that out. The other one that I was
thinking was the Murray Mathis. I think Tomary Mathis he
was given that opportunity to start a couple of years ago.
It did not go well. Then he was dealing with
some injuries and then he's just never found his way
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really back in the lineup. He's another guy right on
the very edge of that defensive back group where could
he make the team. He could, but there's a lot
of different guys that they're gonna try and put in there.
I think you're automatics or Sir Tan Moss, Baron Abrams,
drain Ja Kwan, and then if you want to keep
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a sixth corner, it's between him the they like Rhys Taylor.
I think it's kind of a matter of do they
think they can sneak him on a practice squad or not.
But the Marie matthis is another guy. Those are the
big ones to me that I think need to have
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a good last couple of weeks here of preseason games
and practices and joint practices to stay on the roster.
Now we can break down that a lot more as
we go along today three oh three, five, four nine
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trying to figure out I always forget every year of
a joint practice when the buses start rolling in for
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the other team, because I always like to get a
count on them. There's like you, you guys, if you've
never seen it would be blown away with how many
buses are necessary for a preseason joint practice with an
opposing team coming in. It's like eleven of these huge
charter buses get rolled in and look, it's a like
(15:43):
I don't know ninety ish man roster right now in
the preseason. And then you're talking about all the trainers,
and you're talking about all the coaches, you're talking about
all the other things, but you're still like, there's this
many that you need to take here.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
It's like the residential motorcade.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
It's like almost more than that, because it's all maybe
like if they're on the campaign trail, maybe that's what
it looks like. Because the first thing that you see
is about sixteen cop cars roll through there because they
get a police escort, which I first thought was silly,
and then I thought, yeah, it's probably necessary. Did you
(16:23):
imagine going through this Broncos parkway over here, all those
lights and just having like a separation of eighteen buses
stopping at different lights, some of them going through. You
probably need it, but that'll be happening at some point. Today.
We got Jeff Lagwell joining the show at nine o'clock
(16:44):
this morning, so gave you sort of the run through
of the three guys that I think need to have
a really good week to ensure a roster spot. I
want to give you a quote from Patzertam So he's
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talk going to have to practice the other day, and
he says this on k Adams Show. I think we
have the ability to be mentioned in history amongst the greats.
But I mean, you can't talk about it. You gotta
be about it. And that's what's putting in the work
every day. Everybody flying around the ball making plays. But
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with our personnel Zach Allen, Nick Benito, Jonathan Cooper, DJ Jones,
John Franklin, Myers, Malcolm Roach, then you're the linebacker Singleton
Greenlaw the secondary. You already know when you have that
much talent on the defensive side, Sky's the limit. Could
this team be one of the best. He's not saying
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in Bronco's history, he says NFL history. They certainly have
the ability to be very, very good. Here's how you
get mentioned in that echelon. And I'll give you an
example of how you don't. First, there's a team back
about fifteen years ago ish in San Diego that had
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the number one offense and number one defense in the
NFL and missed the playoffs. That that feels like a
statistical impossibility, but it happened. Nobody talks about them. You
talk about the twenty fifteen Broncos defense, why because they
won a Super Bowl. If this defense is as good
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as they are saying it is, and to be honest
as it looks to be, they are suffocating. They have
dogs at every level on defense, and multiple at every level.
You know, maybe linebackers. The only one that you'd say
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is maybe it's just green Law, But you're filled out
with a whole bunch of good players surrounding him. If
you can be that, if you can be the defense
that Pat Sertanna is talking about, then this year now
turns into gosh, I don't hope that we win the
AFC West. You should. If they're that good, you should
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win the division title. If they're that good, you should
be fighting for, you know, a top two seed in
the AFC. If they're that good, you should be competing
for a super Bowl. No, it's one of the things
that I've mentioned over and over again. They do think.
It's like a huge compliment that should be paid to
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Sean Payton. He had a strength already. The defense was
the strength. The offense was okay, they're okay last year
they weren't great, but they got the job done when
they had to. But I don't think teams went in
two games against the Broncos fearing what their offense was
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bringing to the table. And so for an offensive minded
coach to enter the off season saying this, my defense
is really good, my offense needs to get better. And
their first three decisions that they made were signing a
big timelinebacker, signing a big time safety, and using your
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first round pick on a corner. That is a compliment
to Sean Payton not being I don't know if selfish
is the right word, but I think it could be
selfish and getting his side of the football figured out first.
But you want to put this up like this defense
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on paper, and really the only concern that you have
is injury. For guys like green Law, for guys like Ufanga,
for people who've been hurt in the past and have
a record of injuries, keeping them healthy is going to
be key. It's out of your control. But if that
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does happen, I think you could have a eight roster
and a team that you talk about this defense in
a similar vein to one of twenty fifteen. But again,
that only comes with the winning. The Broncos have had
great defenses in the past. They've had excellent defenses that
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were stymied by mediocre to bad offenses all throughout Fangio
years all there, you know what I mean, Like they've existed,
so it's got to be sort of hand in hand
complimentary football. But at the end of the day, you
look at them on paper, they should stack up with
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anybody in the league. And it's the reason why you're
optimistic about the season, Brett.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
I know I was for a few days, so I
missed all the reaction and overreaction to the first preseason game.
But if you could just give me a recap. What's
the narrative. What are we saying about how bo Nickson
looked in the first game. Are we blaming it on
all the workout videos and the T shirt sales? And
are we talking about how Jarrett Steady Stidham is the
future of the franchise breaking off an eighteen yard run.
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What's the what's the vibe around the campfire right now?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Not quite to that extent. I will say there's a
hand a big handful of people that are concerned after
the first game because the offense didn't look great. I'm
not one of them. You know, there is sort of
a split look. You want to see your team play well,
and I totally understand that you want to see the
team go out in if you're playing against because this
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is what San Francisco did. They played their twos in
that game to start it. You played your ones. The
idea would typically be that you go out and you dominate,
and they didn't. They had multip opportunities to do it. Now,
I think it was just missing by fractions on a
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few different things. You know, the play that sticks out
is the safety. Okay, fine, whatever. I still kind of
think that bow was just like I'm not going to
take a hit from a free blitzer in a preseason game.
So whatever the penalty for this is going to be,
will take it. But maybe not. Maybe he just it
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was just a poor decision and that was it. Okay, fine,
But there was a throw to Sutton on the first
drive that would have extended it. That was a perfect
throw that Sutton just didn't haul in. That was on
the third down. There's a throw that he made to
Sutton in the end zone where it was a jump
ball fifty to fifty. Good decision. When Sutton's won on
one in the end zone, throwing a ball up to
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him is a great idea. He just put it a
little bit too low and like on those two places. Besides,
I think they could have changed the entire way that
we viewed that. And so now I am admittedly somebody
that gets really into the minuta and stuff like that,
just because I I know how much differently you'd feel
about somebody if that were to happen, Like when you
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look at like Jamal's a good example of this. If
Jamal goes out for the Nuggets in a playoff game
and has a bad first three quarters but lights it
up in the fourth. You don't really care. If Jamal
has a really good first three quarters in a bad
fourth quarter, then you act like you played bad. But
it's all just about the little moments and what you
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did in those. So I view this the same way
they were, just I think it was just a couple
of fractions of things away from having a good outing
that just didn't all add up.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
So you're saying that it was a little bit, Yeah,
little death by inches a little bit, got to breast
the dust off of this imaging. But you know, you
know what I want to see in this in this
next preseason game is last year, I was lucky enough
to get credentialed to cover the second Broncos preseason game.
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That was the one where they hosted the Packers yep,
and blew the doors off them. And if you remember,
in that game, Bonick's played two drives. First drive, he
leads the team down the field. Everybody's getting some I
mean Tim Patrick, Julia McLoughlin, Adam Troutman, everybody's getting in
on the action. And then they got to the end
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zone and should have gotten a touchdown, but some penalties
stalled the drive. They put three on the board. Okay,
next series, they go out, same thing. They're moving the ball,
he hits Courtland Sutton for like a thirty yard strike
or something. They just march down the field, score a touchdown. Boom,
Broncos are up ten to nothing. I remember I was
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in the press box with d mac and Dan Tanner
and we all looked at each other and we said, yep,
he's the starter. Yeah, we're done here. Don't play him
another down. And that's exactly what happened. I need to
see those moments in this preseason game. I need against
Arizona just have one drive where the offense is wheeling
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and dealing and we go, oh, that's right, okay, this
is what we saw last year, and then sit him
for the rest of the game. I didn't I didn't
have that. These are the guys moment in that first game.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yep. You know when you get to when you get
to an established place as a team, which I think
they're at. I don't know if you I don't know
if those are necessary. Like how about this if the
I'm gonna use an extreme example I suppose, but if
the Chiefs go out they play their starters in preseason games,
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if Mahomes has six drives and none of them result
in a touchdown. Are they freaking out? No, because they're like, hey, yeah,
we you believe in the team, and I'm there. I
understand it was just one year last year, but there's
a structure to this team that they didn't have previously,
and that's why I'm very much in the camp of
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I think it would be really nice to see them
go out and play well. I also don't think it's
some sort of necessity because you aren't looking for this
team to jump from six wins to eleven. You're kind
of looking for them to stay at least the same,
if not improve a little bit. And I don't know
how much more room there is to totally climb up
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that ladder. You know they're with their finish last year.
I'm talking just strictly record wise, ten wins. Could you
get to eleven? Twelve? Sure? Anything beyond that I think
is a little bit too much pie in the sky
unless this defense is as advertised and the offense can
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make this giant leap with an actual rushing game and
a tight end and all that different stuff. Like maybe
I just I wouldn't I wouldn't bet on it. But
they should be at least as good as last year.
If they don't, if they get worse, it would be
a shock to me because I don't see how outside
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of injury. I don't see how a team that is
they were a ten and seventeen made the playoffs last
year with a rookie quarterback, quarterback having a little more
experience under his belt. You added pieces to the defense
that really helped. You added pieces to the offense that
really helped you. Know again, when you go through an offseason,
you kind of check the till on guys who left
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and guys who acquired, and usually there's some give and take.
You lose a couple of guys that you really didn't
want to, but you add a couple of guys that
are really nice. I don't think they lost a single
person that they didn't improve upon from last year. And
it's not any disrespect any of those guys. Like I
think a guy like Cody Barton last year played really well,
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but you got Greenlaw, and Greenlaw is just better at safety.
With Hufanga, you got better at tight end. With Ingram,
you got better at running back. With Dobbins and Harvey,
you got better again, I don't know what RJ. Harvey
is going to be, but I do know this that
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the rushing game from last year couldn't get much worse.
It was near the bottom of the league anyway. So
you're just talking about improvement here, and I think they
are totally capable or I would say almost incapable of
getting worse. So yeah, there's high expectations and you want
to see that on display in all these preseason games.
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The bottom line to me is that I don't think
it's necessary, but it would just you throw that knee.
Yet it would be nice sort of category uh three
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So today is a big day for multiple reasons. The
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NBA is releasing their schedule in full around one o'clock today,
and you, the listener, have a chance to enter to
win a pair of tickets to not one, not two,
but three different games of your choice. So stay tuned
around one o'clock today for more details right when that
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schedule is being released. At that time, PhD will give
you all the info on how to enter and we'll
break down the schedule for you. But I know there's
a there's a few that's already going to be like
front of mine. For me, any game that features Minnesota
is already near the top of the list. You have
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to get that that tea Wolves monkey off your back.
You have to get that win because as much as
we made the last few years about your dominance against
the LA Lakers, they're doing that to you right now
and that needs to end. Even in a game in
which Jokic scores a he gets a sixty point triple double,
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you still can't find a way to win the game.
That stuff's gotta stop. So Minnesota is immediately at the
top of the list. Would have to be Probably another
one's gonna be okay, see right, defending champs they come
to Denver, that's gotta be one of them. But they'll
break that down in full around one o'clock this uh
this afternoon, so PhD will have you covered on that.
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Three oh three, five oh four oh nine two five
semp mos de tex signed one price, one person hour.
I apologize for the coffees in the Sniffleys. There is
a mild sickness that I'm dealing with along with I
think it's this smoke Okay, wildfire stuff is killing me
out here. You get that deep bark. I don't like it.
(32:19):
I need that to be put out asap because it
is hazy this morning. But a lot more to get
to here. Stick around back out here, Broncos bark one
final time today as we lead into joint practice against
the Cardinals. I can't wait. Days like today are really
really fun, They really are. And you get to see
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some actual competition, some actual sort of juice at which
at this point in camp is necessary. It's white coaches,
That's why they do this all the time. They they
want these joint practices to get a little bit different look,
They want these joint practices to get a little bit
different feel and to get a different evaluation when it's
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not just your own against your own. It's funny. We
were just talking about this yesterday. By the way, the
the valuations of NFL franchises continue to get higher and
higher and higher and higher, and the Cowboys are worth
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almost thirteen billion dollars is their estimated value. And I
was just curious, like when does the bubble sort of
burst on these things? Climbing billions of dollars a year
over year. So the Broncos were purchased for was around
four and a half right by Penner, the Walton Penner Group,
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and they've already grown to like a six and a
half billion dollar evaluation. So over the course of a
year or a couple of years, it's gone up almost
two billion dollars. And like the one thing that is
tried and true, no matter what the market is, no
matter what the economy is, no matter what anything is,
(34:06):
professional franchises continue to grow in value. It's the greatest
real estate investment you could ever make if you're a billionaire,
which I'm not, but I wish I was. We were
trying to. I mean, we were just discussing yesterday a
way to buy an Irish soccer team and like a
what they call it, it's a Division three or something
(34:29):
like that. It's like, if I got a couple hundred bucks,
can I own one of those? I don't think that's
how it works, but you look at the way that
these things continue to climb, and then you see that
the Blazers in Portland they were just purchased for over
four billion dollars. So even NBA franchises and look Portland
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is not, wouldn't imagine one of the marquee NBA valuable
sort of of teams. But if that's over four billion dollars,
it's crazy. They were purchased for seventy million in nineteen
eighty eight. Like, I don't know when this is going
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to stop, but they continue to rise and rise and
rise in value. I also mentioned this on Monday, after
the first wave of preseason games got through. I told
you that Schador's performance I thought was really important and
much different than anybody else's that I can't even think
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of a recent memory for a week one start in
the preseason. It's not really a high pressure situation. Do
you guys want to play well, of course, but as
far as the public eye being on a preseason game,
it just doesn't. It just doesn't happen all that often
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where you have that many people who care about what somebody,
especially in the preseason from another team does. But Shador
was dealing with that, and I told you, I bet
you that has got to be like the highest rated
preseason game on record. Everybody wanted to tune into the
(36:23):
NFL network. Wasn't it like what five o'clock on Friday?
I think is what it was to see what your
door Sanders was going to do when they announced that
he was a starter. Well, the ratings came out. It
was the most watched live preseason Week one ever on
the NFL network. Browns and Panthers and Texans and Vink
(36:46):
Texans in Vikings ranked as the NFL networks two most
watched preseason games since twenty fifteen. Why was Texas and
Texans and Viking is part of that because their lead
in withhe dour Sanders. That's why I'm telling you he
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is just dealing with a media animal that I don't
think any fifth round pick ever has. Can somebody actually
think of one what's the closest, closest example fifth round
pick or late I'll even say ballpark fifth round. You
give me a third rounder, I don't care give me
somebody that has this level of attention on them immediately
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before they've taken a snap in the NFL. Because I
don't think it exists. I don't think it's ever happened,
and if it does, please somebody proved me wrong. But
that's the kind of pressure that he's under, and to
play great in that I think he's a huge compliment
to him. So he leaves practice yesterday. He's got noblique injury.
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Don't know how bad that is, but he did leave practice.
But I've just I've never seen a fifth round pick
that has talked about as much as him on all
these like big time shows that you know, whatever you
think of first take. ESPN has essentially built their entire
brand around that format, that guy in Steven A. Smith
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and that program, And it feels like every other day
they're talking about Shador and if he's gonna start for
the Browns, which the real answer is, well, he was
fourth on the depth chart and the second quarterback taken
in his own draft by the team who drafted him.
(38:43):
But I really want to see if anybody's got a
name they can come up with. Uh, they said Tebow.
But Tibo's a first rounder.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
And all ready, not only are we talking about a
fifth round quarterback, he is getting more press by a
country mile than cam Ward, who was the first overall
pick in the draft. Normally, when there's a number one
overall pick who's a quarterback, he's talked about with every
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breath for sure, of every media member for the entire offseason.
The only time I've heard cam Ward's name brought up
is when we make fun of him on this show
for saying something silly, that's it. No one's saying anything
about his arm. And meanwhile, Shador Sanders is getting all
the colimentaches Like you said, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
It's cam Ward. There was a guy who was his
teammate in college that was a Heisman Trophy winner. That's
trying to do something that nobody's ever done, which is
played both sides of the football. Even he's not getting
near the attention that shedor is so yeah, between cam
Ward Jackson Dart who was also a first round pick.
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He's gotten a little bit because he's in the New
York market. But I've just I've never seen anything like it.
In fairness to textures writing down Tebow, one says Tibo
should have been a fifth round pick. You're absolutely right
on that, and if he was, I think it would
have been the same thing. I think you're probably right.
But part of the shock was that McDaniels took him
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in the first round when nobody else was going to
do that. Texter says the only thing remotely close would
be Manzel after his slide. Maybe perhaps, yeah, perhaps, but
Manzel he was still when was he drafted Johnny Manziel draft.
(40:38):
He was drafted, it was still the first round, right,
do I have that correct? Yeah, he was twenty second,
So again we're still talking about first round picks here,
but man, it was. It's it's wild to see the
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amount of attention he got in a course, it's the
It's the highest rated preseason game since what they say,
twenty fifteen. I don't know what happened in twenty fifteen,
but good luck trying to find something that's garnered more
attention from that spot. It's just it's pretty unprecedented. And
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God do I hope. I'm rooting for him so much.
I don't think there's any chance that he starts, at
least at the beginning of the season, But I don't
know what happens in Cleveland if they if I think
they're gonna start Flacco, like can he Pickett stands no
(41:44):
chance here. It's going to be Flacco, and then they'll
probably keep three in. I would think Shador and Dylan
Gabriel because they got Deshaun Watson on I are But
think about if they just stumble their way into a
really good, viable starting quarterback because everybody else for whatever reason,
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whatever reason they had passed on him, Like you see,
and I get that it's preseason, but like some of
the throws that he made in that game alone, his
first touchdown was like only where his receiver could get
it on the money in the end zone under pressure
across his body, like a whole bunch of different things.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Pretty pretty good. Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Texter says, is it fair to call Shadur a fifth
rounder when he was projected to be a first rounder
and he just had a big mouth. Yeah, it's fair
because he was a fifth rounder. I mean, I don't
think it's if there's any fairer case than saying that
that that guy's a fifth rounder when he was drafted
the fifth round. And I'm still not sure if what
you're alleging is the reason why he slid. I think
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it's partly that I think get factored into if they
thought he was going to be a backup, because we
all know that is the NFL will tolerate a quote
circus being brought to town. I'm not calling him that,
I'm saying the media circus. They'll tolerate his circus being
brought to town. If the guy's good, they won't do it.
(43:15):
If the guy's not good enough. It's what hurt t
Bow a lot. It's what hurt Kaepernick a lot. So
it hurts a lot of guys. Is that are these
guys capable of being NFL players? And should they be? Yeah?
They probably should. But do you want to deal with
this for a guy who's buried on your depth chart?
(43:36):
That's it. A lot of people bring in other names,
Man Tito, Nope, not this, Russell Wilson, No, not this.
I don't think I've seen anything like it. So get
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Sean. You said, after the end of a day too,
about fourteen things they irritated You worked in some of
those things, and what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yeah, there are a lot of different things, and none
of which I'm going to go through.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Now.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
You know, when you take your first road trip and
you're seeing it through my eyes, there's certain notes you make.
It could be sidelines, it could be hotel. It could
be two am there's a festival outside the hotel. It
could be the travel It could be a number of
things that you want to clean up. But I'm not
(00:53):
going to go through all fourteen of them. There's probably
seventeen by the time I got home, all of which
can be cleaned up and easily corrected. And they weren't
necessarily game related, if that makes any sense. It's just
when you do that and you hadn't done it in
a while, and you're doing it with a new group
of people, a lot of interns, a lot of you
(01:16):
can't assume anything.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I got a lot of problems with your people.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Now you're gonna hear about it. I don't know if
I've ever listed out my problems in quite the same
way that Sean Payton has after what was a ultimately
successful road trip. I mean, again, you have some issues
with the first team offense and blah blah blah, But
bottom line is you won thirty to nine. I know
(01:40):
it's a preseason game, but I think there were other
things that were bothering him. Something perhaps a little more
logistics related, we'll say, airplane problems. He said, there's a
what did he say? There was there was a festival
outside the hotel room or something like that. What does
(02:01):
that mean, Jesse? I mean you were there, You tell
me what is a festival of jazz? Festival across the street? So?
Was he just distracted by noise during the night? Is
that what he's all I'm gonna say is I was
on the eighth floor and I could hear the music going.
Oh yeah, So so he's okay.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
So he thought made festival outside the hotel.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I know Common was performing at like nine thirty, and
that was the night before the house Friday night. I see, yeah,
that could be annoying you know. It also could be
I don't, I don't. I don't want to say that
these guys are like trying to intentionally keep somebody up
before a preseason game, but it's a smart thing to
do during the regular season. We got to think about this,
whatever hotel an opposing team is staying at, Nelly, you
(02:46):
and the brass Monkeys or what's what's your name again?
What's your brass band?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
That'd be a better name. We're Gorilla Fanfair brass band.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Gorilla fan Fair. You guys find out what hotel like
the Chiefs are staying at when they come to town
this year, and you guys just start blaring.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, hey, cam Ward, get ready to learn when the
Saints go march again? Buddy, no week one, let's go
mom man. Well, actually, my my conspiracy theory and Jesse,
maybe you can confirm or deny this is that same
weekend that you were out there for the game was
the Outside Lands Music Festival, which is a huge three
day festival in Golden Gate Park. Now, obviously San Jose
(03:23):
is the South Bay that's in Santa Clara. That's pretty
far away from San Francisco. But I didn't know if
maybe some of the after parties like drifted your trail over.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, maybe that's what happened. Okay, so I can see
how that would be annoying. Now here's the deal. Today,
this is our last day here. Correct, this is Thursday.
I'm losing track of my days. H This is joint
practice day between the Broncos and the Cardinals. This I
think is more important to Sean Payton than the preseason game.
(03:52):
Like for us, for a fan base, we want to
go out, We want to see this team during their
opportunity to take the field in a real game situation,
do something of substance. But in reality, it's fifteen to
twenty plays that these guys are getting as far as
the starting unit, and who knows that they're leaving play
(04:14):
this week. I would assume they would, but we don't
know that yet. Days like today I think are more important.
You get way more reps. It is a lot more
of one versus one. It is a lot more of
an opportunity for guys to step up and make plays.
(04:35):
Now it's not gonna be full contact, take to the
ground sort of stuff, but still it is. These are
the evaluation days that I think coaches during the preseason
prize the most you know, when you're gonna get if
you're one of the lucky fans that's here, one of
the lucky eight hundred, you're probably gonna see a little
(04:57):
bit of chippiness. You're probably gonna see a couple of
skuf because that's just what happens when you got teams
in for joint practices. Today's an important day, and I
think it's important for this first team offense in for
Bo Knicks to do right, get better. You know, Uh,
Bo Knicks had such a surprisingly good year last year
(05:19):
that if he didn't, I think maybe this offseason is
seen a little bit differently in that didn't have a
great first preseason game. He's had a couple of practices
that haven't been very sharp, but he's got the established
sort of year's worth of data to pull from where
people like me kind of shrug and go, yeah, whatever,
(05:41):
He'll be fine, you know, because I have trust in
the organization and I have trust in Sean Payton. But
I think today's important, Like I think what Bo Nicks
in the first team offense needs more than anything else
is just to say you had a good day to
leave a practice or a preseason game with your chin up,
(06:05):
chest out and to say that we played well. That's
all this is for, Like all preseason and practice and
all this, it's to establish a confidence so once the
bullets start flying, you aren't freaking out. That's it. It's
like anything else. Anything that you're practicing, you're practicing with
a purpose to get better. Know, when I was playing baseball,
(06:27):
I didn't you were in the batting cage to get
yourself ready when somebody grooves a fastball over the middle
to rip one. It's the same thing here. It's just
and it gives you confidence that when you're in that situation,
you can go out and take the right hack. I mean,
that's what this team is working towards, and that's what
today is going to be about. Joint practice days they're
(06:48):
just the best because it gives you a real evaluation
of two things. It's how does your team look against
somebody they're not used to and kind of how does
the other team look? You know, there's always it's always
difficult when it comes to this. I remember when I
was covering college football and they do the spring games,
(07:10):
so it's an inner squad scrimmage and it's kind of
like if one team dominated, then you'd be like, well,
they're either really good or the guys on the other
team are really bad. It's one of the two, and
it's hard to kind of get a grasp on him.
And NFL training camps, you have these training camps where
it's like the offense is dominating, Like dude, our offense
(07:32):
is gonna be really good. It also could just be
your defense is bad. So once you get to see
things like this against other opponents, it's an easier way
to measure that. But defensively, you know, there's an article
that just came out. There was a quote from Patzertan
that I think is really interesting for him to say
(07:58):
out loud that of what he thinks this defense can be.
So we'll get to that in just a few minutes.
But who is today most important for we've gotten the
or gotten through the Bonnicks in first team offense has
to do better. But this week with joint practices and
(08:18):
then the second preseason game, I've pinpointed I think three
guys that really really need to have a good week.
The names that I brought up yesterday. The first one
I think is pretty obvious. It's Oddric estimate he is.
(08:39):
He's dipped down on the depth chart. He's not getting
a lot of reps with the first team they have.
Joe Lombardi said that they have a log jam at
running back. I don't even know if that's the case.
To me, they got a clear one in two and
then there's Jaliel and then there's everybody else. I don't
(09:02):
know if I call that a logjam. But I go
back to that first preseason game and I start to think, Okay,
what did that look like. It looked like RJ. Harvey
got a lot of run early. JK. Dobbins got a
little bit of mixed in with the first team. Then
they went to Julil, then they went to Tyler Bidet,
(09:23):
and then Blake Watson and then Rodrick estime, when you're
the sixth guy getting into a preseason game in that rotation,
when you're playing your starters, it's not a good sign
for you as far as making the team. And I
think he's got to have a big last few weeks
here before the regular season starts. And it started already.
(09:45):
It had to be at camp and then in the
first preseason game. But if he really wants to make
an impression. There's only a couple opportunities left, and so
joint practice is a huge one. He has to and
and god do I want him to be good because
to have a running back that is his size and
(10:05):
his physicality, it's such an advantage that just a lot
of teams don't have of just brute physical power, and
he possesses that because his body types it. It's insane.
He's built like a bulldozer. So if he can have
a good joint practice here leading into a good second
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game over the weekend, that's gonna be his best shot
to make a case for being that fourth guy. You know.
And he's also somebody I think with Bidet and Blake Watson,
you can get away with carrying three running backs or
whatever and stashing them on a practice squad, like I
don't think they would get picked up. They might, but
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I don't think so. I don't think Odric Estimay is
going to be cut and then put on a practice squad.
I think somebody would grab him. So it's just a
matter of is he going to make the Broncos or not.
So he's number one, Number two. There's a guy that
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has had promise, he's got upside, but he's had issues.
And that's jasar Rique if you remember so. He's twenty
seven years old now. He was drafted in twenty twenty
two as a fourth rounder. They thought he could be
(11:31):
a big piece of a presence in the defensive line
on the interior, and then he got suspended for a
year for gambling stuff. Dealt with some injuries, but has
not really had the opportunity to shine. So he's been
back off camp, got some preseason action in Week one,
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And you want to talk about a logjam, I don't
think it's that running back. I think it's at the
d line positions. They're the best in the league last year.
If you're the best in the league at any sort
of position group, it's already going to be tough to
make the final roster because you got a lot of
talent there, and he doesn't have the experience to kind
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of lean on. But when you look at what the
offensive line is bringing or the defensive line is bringing
to the table, and the Zach Allens and Jfms and
Malcolm Roaches and DJ Jones and all these guys in
the interior, it's a very very tough thing to try
(12:41):
and project more bodies being thrown into the mix on
that defensive line. You know, I've taken a look at
some people and their projections for what the fifty three
man roster looks like, and he he is in there
on some of them, but I don't think it's going
to be a guarantee. There's another guy named Jordan Jackson
is having a pretty good camp that's trying to push
(13:02):
his way in there too. You have the rookie Savion Jones,
who's going to make this roster because not only is
he a mid round pick as a rookie, he's also
had some really good moments, not only in camp, but
in that first preseason game. He looks like he's a player.
So that one's just stacked up. I don't think they're
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gonna carry any more than six. So is the Wazir
Riq gonna be that six guy? I think days like
today and the preseason game over the weekend are really
gonna prove that out. The other one that I was
thinking was the Murray Mathis. I think Tomary Mathis he
was given that opportunity to start a couple of years ago.
It did not go well. Then he was dealing with
some injuries and then he's just never found his way
(13:45):
really back in the lineup. He's another guy right on
the very edge of that defensive back group where could
he make the team. He could, but there's a lot
of different guys that they're gonna try and put in there.
I think you're automatics or Sir Tan Moss, Baron Abrams,
drain Ja Kwan, and then if you want to keep
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a sixth corner, it's between him the they like Rhys Taylor.
I think it's kind of a matter of do they
think they can sneak him on a practice squad or not.
But the Marie matthis is another guy. Those are the
big ones to me that I think need to have
(14:31):
a good last couple of weeks here of preseason games
and practices and joint practices to stay on the roster.
Now we can break down that a lot more as
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trying to figure out I always forget every year of
a joint practice when the buses start rolling in for
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the other team, because I always like to get a
count on them. There's like you, you guys, if you've
never seen it would be blown away with how many
buses are necessary for a preseason joint practice with an
opposing team coming in. It's like eleven of these huge
charter buses get rolled in and look, it's a like
(15:43):
I don't know ninety ish man roster right now in
the preseason. And then you're talking about all the trainers,
and you're talking about all the coaches, you're talking about
all the other things, but you're still like, there's this
many that you need to take here.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
It's like the residential motorcade.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
It's like almost more than that, because it's all maybe
like if they're on the campaign trail, maybe that's what
it looks like. Because the first thing that you see
is about sixteen cop cars roll through there because they
get a police escort, which I first thought was silly,
and then I thought, yeah, it's probably necessary. Did you
(16:23):
imagine going through this Broncos parkway over here, all those
lights and just having like a separation of eighteen buses
stopping at different lights, some of them going through. You
probably need it, but that'll be happening at some point. Today.
We got Jeff Lagwell joining the show at nine o'clock
(16:44):
this morning, so gave you sort of the run through
of the three guys that I think need to have
a really good week to ensure a roster spot. I
want to give you a quote from Patzertam So he's
(17:05):
talk going to have to practice the other day, and
he says this on k Adams Show. I think we
have the ability to be mentioned in history amongst the greats.
But I mean, you can't talk about it. You gotta
be about it. And that's what's putting in the work
every day. Everybody flying around the ball making plays. But
(17:27):
with our personnel Zach Allen, Nick Benito, Jonathan Cooper, DJ Jones,
John Franklin, Myers, Malcolm Roach, then you're the linebacker Singleton
Greenlaw the secondary. You already know when you have that
much talent on the defensive side, Sky's the limit. Could
this team be one of the best. He's not saying
(17:50):
in Bronco's history, he says NFL history. They certainly have
the ability to be very, very good. Here's how you
get mentioned in that echelon. And I'll give you an
example of how you don't. First, there's a team back
about fifteen years ago ish in San Diego that had
(18:14):
the number one offense and number one defense in the
NFL and missed the playoffs. That that feels like a
statistical impossibility, but it happened. Nobody talks about them. You
talk about the twenty fifteen Broncos defense, why because they
won a Super Bowl. If this defense is as good
(18:37):
as they are saying it is, and to be honest
as it looks to be, they are suffocating. They have
dogs at every level on defense, and multiple at every level.
You know, maybe linebackers. The only one that you'd say
(18:57):
is maybe it's just green Law, But you're filled out
with a whole bunch of good players surrounding him. If
you can be that, if you can be the defense
that Pat Sertanna is talking about, then this year now
turns into gosh, I don't hope that we win the
AFC West. You should. If they're that good, you should
(19:20):
win the division title. If they're that good, you should
be fighting for, you know, a top two seed in
the AFC. If they're that good, you should be competing
for a super Bowl. No, it's one of the things
that I've mentioned over and over again. They do think.
It's like a huge compliment that should be paid to
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Sean Payton. He had a strength already. The defense was
the strength. The offense was okay, they're okay last year
they weren't great, but they got the job done when
they had to. But I don't think teams went in
two games against the Broncos fearing what their offense was
(20:02):
bringing to the table. And so for an offensive minded
coach to enter the off season saying this, my defense
is really good, my offense needs to get better. And
their first three decisions that they made were signing a
big timelinebacker, signing a big time safety, and using your
(20:23):
first round pick on a corner. That is a compliment
to Sean Payton not being I don't know if selfish
is the right word, but I think it could be
selfish and getting his side of the football figured out first.
But you want to put this up like this defense
(20:44):
on paper, and really the only concern that you have
is injury. For guys like green Law, for guys like Ufanga,
for people who've been hurt in the past and have
a record of injuries, keeping them healthy is going to
be key. It's out of your control. But if that
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does happen, I think you could have a eight roster
and a team that you talk about this defense in
a similar vein to one of twenty fifteen. But again,
that only comes with the winning. The Broncos have had
great defenses in the past. They've had excellent defenses that
(21:32):
were stymied by mediocre to bad offenses all throughout Fangio
years all there, you know what I mean, Like they've existed,
so it's got to be sort of hand in hand
complimentary football. But at the end of the day, you
look at them on paper, they should stack up with
(21:54):
anybody in the league. And it's the reason why you're
optimistic about the season, Brett.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
I know I was for a few days, so I
missed all the reaction and overreaction to the first preseason game.
But if you could just give me a recap. What's
the narrative. What are we saying about how bo Nickson
looked in the first game. Are we blaming it on
all the workout videos and the T shirt sales? And
are we talking about how Jarrett Steady Stidham is the
future of the franchise breaking off an eighteen yard run.
(22:22):
What's the what's the vibe around the campfire right now?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Not quite to that extent. I will say there's a
hand a big handful of people that are concerned after
the first game because the offense didn't look great. I'm
not one of them. You know, there is sort of
a split look. You want to see your team play well,
and I totally understand that you want to see the
team go out in if you're playing against because this
(22:48):
is what San Francisco did. They played their twos in
that game to start it. You played your ones. The
idea would typically be that you go out and you dominate,
and they didn't. They had multip opportunities to do it. Now,
I think it was just missing by fractions on a
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few different things. You know, the play that sticks out
is the safety. Okay, fine, whatever. I still kind of
think that bow was just like I'm not going to
take a hit from a free blitzer in a preseason game.
So whatever the penalty for this is going to be,
will take it. But maybe not. Maybe he just it
(23:33):
was just a poor decision and that was it. Okay, fine,
But there was a throw to Sutton on the first
drive that would have extended it. That was a perfect
throw that Sutton just didn't haul in. That was on
the third down. There's a throw that he made to
Sutton in the end zone where it was a jump
ball fifty to fifty. Good decision. When Sutton's won on
one in the end zone, throwing a ball up to
(23:54):
him is a great idea. He just put it a
little bit too low and like on those two places. Besides,
I think they could have changed the entire way that
we viewed that. And so now I am admittedly somebody
that gets really into the minuta and stuff like that,
just because I I know how much differently you'd feel
about somebody if that were to happen, Like when you
(24:18):
look at like Jamal's a good example of this. If
Jamal goes out for the Nuggets in a playoff game
and has a bad first three quarters but lights it
up in the fourth. You don't really care. If Jamal
has a really good first three quarters in a bad
fourth quarter, then you act like you played bad. But
it's all just about the little moments and what you
(24:40):
did in those. So I view this the same way
they were, just I think it was just a couple
of fractions of things away from having a good outing
that just didn't all add up.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
So you're saying that it was a little bit, Yeah,
little death by inches a little bit, got to breast
the dust off of this imaging. But you know, you
know what I want to see in this in this
next preseason game is last year, I was lucky enough
to get credentialed to cover the second Broncos preseason game.
(25:13):
That was the one where they hosted the Packers yep,
and blew the doors off them. And if you remember,
in that game, Bonick's played two drives. First drive, he
leads the team down the field. Everybody's getting some I
mean Tim Patrick, Julia McLoughlin, Adam Troutman, everybody's getting in
on the action. And then they got to the end
(25:34):
zone and should have gotten a touchdown, but some penalties
stalled the drive. They put three on the board. Okay,
next series, they go out, same thing. They're moving the ball,
he hits Courtland Sutton for like a thirty yard strike
or something. They just march down the field, score a touchdown. Boom,
Broncos are up ten to nothing. I remember I was
(25:55):
in the press box with d mac and Dan Tanner
and we all looked at each other and we said, yep,
he's the starter. Yeah, we're done here. Don't play him
another down. And that's exactly what happened. I need to
see those moments in this preseason game. I need against
Arizona just have one drive where the offense is wheeling
(26:16):
and dealing and we go, oh, that's right, okay, this
is what we saw last year, and then sit him
for the rest of the game. I didn't I didn't
have that. These are the guys moment in that first game.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yep. You know when you get to when you get
to an established place as a team, which I think
they're at. I don't know if you I don't know
if those are necessary. Like how about this if the
I'm gonna use an extreme example I suppose, but if
the Chiefs go out they play their starters in preseason games,
(26:49):
if Mahomes has six drives and none of them result
in a touchdown. Are they freaking out? No, because they're like, hey, yeah,
we you believe in the team, and I'm there. I
understand it was just one year last year, but there's
a structure to this team that they didn't have previously,
and that's why I'm very much in the camp of
(27:13):
I think it would be really nice to see them
go out and play well. I also don't think it's
some sort of necessity because you aren't looking for this
team to jump from six wins to eleven. You're kind
of looking for them to stay at least the same,
if not improve a little bit. And I don't know
how much more room there is to totally climb up
(27:38):
that ladder. You know they're with their finish last year.
I'm talking just strictly record wise, ten wins. Could you
get to eleven? Twelve? Sure? Anything beyond that I think
is a little bit too much pie in the sky
unless this defense is as advertised and the offense can
(28:00):
make this giant leap with an actual rushing game and
a tight end and all that different stuff. Like maybe
I just I wouldn't I wouldn't bet on it. But
they should be at least as good as last year.
If they don't, if they get worse, it would be
a shock to me because I don't see how outside
(28:24):
of injury. I don't see how a team that is
they were a ten and seventeen made the playoffs last
year with a rookie quarterback, quarterback having a little more
experience under his belt. You added pieces to the defense
that really helped. You added pieces to the offense that
really helped you. Know again, when you go through an offseason,
you kind of check the till on guys who left
(28:50):
and guys who acquired, and usually there's some give and take.
You lose a couple of guys that you really didn't
want to, but you add a couple of guys that
are really nice. I don't think they lost a single
person that they didn't improve upon from last year. And
it's not any disrespect any of those guys. Like I
think a guy like Cody Barton last year played really well,
(29:13):
but you got Greenlaw, and Greenlaw is just better at safety.
With Hufanga, you got better at tight end. With Ingram,
you got better at running back. With Dobbins and Harvey,
you got better again, I don't know what RJ. Harvey
is going to be, but I do know this that
(29:37):
the rushing game from last year couldn't get much worse.
It was near the bottom of the league anyway. So
you're just talking about improvement here, and I think they
are totally capable or I would say almost incapable of
getting worse. So yeah, there's high expectations and you want
to see that on display in all these preseason games.
(29:59):
The bottom line to me is that I don't think
it's necessary, but it would just you throw that knee.
Yet it would be nice sort of category uh three
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mos de text sign one price, one person, one hour.
So today is a big day for multiple reasons. The
(30:23):
NBA is releasing their schedule in full around one o'clock today,
and you, the listener, have a chance to enter to
win a pair of tickets to not one, not two,
but three different games of your choice. So stay tuned
around one o'clock today for more details right when that
(30:47):
schedule is being released. At that time, PhD will give
you all the info on how to enter and we'll
break down the schedule for you. But I know there's
a there's a few that's already going to be like
front of mine. For me, any game that features Minnesota
is already near the top of the list. You have
(31:10):
to get that that tea Wolves monkey off your back.
You have to get that win because as much as
we made the last few years about your dominance against
the LA Lakers, they're doing that to you right now
and that needs to end. Even in a game in
which Jokic scores a he gets a sixty point triple double,
(31:32):
you still can't find a way to win the game.
That stuff's gotta stop. So Minnesota is immediately at the
top of the list. Would have to be Probably another
one's gonna be okay, see right, defending champs they come
to Denver, that's gotta be one of them. But they'll
break that down in full around one o'clock this uh
this afternoon, so PhD will have you covered on that.
(31:53):
Three oh three, five oh four oh nine two five
semp mos de tex signed one price, one person hour.
I apologize for the coffees in the Sniffleys. There is
a mild sickness that I'm dealing with along with I
think it's this smoke Okay, wildfire stuff is killing me
out here. You get that deep bark. I don't like it.
(32:19):
I need that to be put out asap because it
is hazy this morning. But a lot more to get
to here. Stick around back out here, Broncos bark one
final time today as we lead into joint practice against
the Cardinals. I can't wait. Days like today are really
really fun, They really are. And you get to see
(32:41):
some actual competition, some actual sort of juice at which
at this point in camp is necessary. It's white coaches,
That's why they do this all the time. They they
want these joint practices to get a little bit different look,
They want these joint practices to get a little bit
different feel and to get a different evaluation when it's
(33:03):
not just your own against your own. It's funny. We
were just talking about this yesterday. By the way, the
the valuations of NFL franchises continue to get higher and
higher and higher and higher, and the Cowboys are worth
(33:25):
almost thirteen billion dollars is their estimated value. And I
was just curious, like when does the bubble sort of
burst on these things? Climbing billions of dollars a year
over year. So the Broncos were purchased for was around
four and a half right by Penner, the Walton Penner Group,
(33:46):
and they've already grown to like a six and a
half billion dollar evaluation. So over the course of a
year or a couple of years, it's gone up almost
two billion dollars. And like the one thing that is
tried and true, no matter what the market is, no
matter what the economy is, no matter what anything is,
(34:06):
professional franchises continue to grow in value. It's the greatest
real estate investment you could ever make if you're a billionaire,
which I'm not, but I wish I was. We were
trying to. I mean, we were just discussing yesterday a
way to buy an Irish soccer team and like a
what they call it, it's a Division three or something
(34:29):
like that. It's like, if I got a couple hundred bucks,
can I own one of those? I don't think that's
how it works, but you look at the way that
these things continue to climb, and then you see that
the Blazers in Portland they were just purchased for over
four billion dollars. So even NBA franchises and look Portland
(34:54):
is not, wouldn't imagine one of the marquee NBA valuable
sort of of teams. But if that's over four billion dollars,
it's crazy. They were purchased for seventy million in nineteen
eighty eight. Like, I don't know when this is going
(35:17):
to stop, but they continue to rise and rise and
rise in value. I also mentioned this on Monday, after
the first wave of preseason games got through. I told
you that Schador's performance I thought was really important and
much different than anybody else's that I can't even think
(35:39):
of a recent memory for a week one start in
the preseason. It's not really a high pressure situation. Do
you guys want to play well, of course, but as
far as the public eye being on a preseason game,
it just doesn't. It just doesn't happen all that often
(36:01):
where you have that many people who care about what somebody,
especially in the preseason from another team does. But Shador
was dealing with that, and I told you, I bet
you that has got to be like the highest rated
preseason game on record. Everybody wanted to tune into the
(36:23):
NFL network. Wasn't it like what five o'clock on Friday?
I think is what it was to see what your
door Sanders was going to do when they announced that
he was a starter. Well, the ratings came out. It
was the most watched live preseason Week one ever on
the NFL network. Browns and Panthers and Texans and Vink
(36:46):
Texans in Vikings ranked as the NFL networks two most
watched preseason games since twenty fifteen. Why was Texas and
Texans and Viking is part of that because their lead
in withhe dour Sanders. That's why I'm telling you he
(37:07):
is just dealing with a media animal that I don't
think any fifth round pick ever has. Can somebody actually
think of one what's the closest, closest example fifth round
pick or late I'll even say ballpark fifth round. You
give me a third rounder, I don't care give me
somebody that has this level of attention on them immediately
(37:34):
before they've taken a snap in the NFL. Because I
don't think it exists. I don't think it's ever happened,
and if it does, please somebody proved me wrong. But
that's the kind of pressure that he's under, and to
play great in that I think he's a huge compliment
to him. So he leaves practice yesterday. He's got noblique injury.
(37:54):
Don't know how bad that is, but he did leave practice.
But I've just I've never seen a fifth round pick
that has talked about as much as him on all
these like big time shows that you know, whatever you
think of first take. ESPN has essentially built their entire
brand around that format, that guy in Steven A. Smith
(38:19):
and that program, And it feels like every other day
they're talking about Shador and if he's gonna start for
the Browns, which the real answer is, well, he was
fourth on the depth chart and the second quarterback taken
in his own draft by the team who drafted him.
(38:43):
But I really want to see if anybody's got a
name they can come up with. Uh, they said Tebow.
But Tibo's a first rounder.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
And all ready, not only are we talking about a
fifth round quarterback, he is getting more press by a
country mile than cam Ward, who was the first overall
pick in the draft. Normally, when there's a number one
overall pick who's a quarterback, he's talked about with every
(39:12):
breath for sure, of every media member for the entire offseason.
The only time I've heard cam Ward's name brought up
is when we make fun of him on this show
for saying something silly, that's it. No one's saying anything
about his arm. And meanwhile, Shador Sanders is getting all
the colimentaches Like you said, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
It's cam Ward. There was a guy who was his
teammate in college that was a Heisman Trophy winner. That's
trying to do something that nobody's ever done, which is
played both sides of the football. Even he's not getting
near the attention that shedor is so yeah, between cam
Ward Jackson Dart who was also a first round pick.
(39:53):
He's gotten a little bit because he's in the New
York market. But I've just I've never seen anything like it.
In fairness to textures writing down Tebow, one says Tibo
should have been a fifth round pick. You're absolutely right
on that, and if he was, I think it would
have been the same thing. I think you're probably right.
But part of the shock was that McDaniels took him
(40:14):
in the first round when nobody else was going to
do that. Texter says the only thing remotely close would
be Manzel after his slide. Maybe perhaps, yeah, perhaps, but
Manzel he was still when was he drafted Johnny Manziel draft.
(40:38):
He was drafted, it was still the first round, right,
do I have that correct? Yeah, he was twenty second,
So again we're still talking about first round picks here,
but man, it was. It's it's wild to see the
(40:58):
amount of attention he got in a course, it's the
It's the highest rated preseason game since what they say,
twenty fifteen. I don't know what happened in twenty fifteen,
but good luck trying to find something that's garnered more
attention from that spot. It's just it's pretty unprecedented. And
(41:21):
God do I hope. I'm rooting for him so much.
I don't think there's any chance that he starts, at
least at the beginning of the season, But I don't
know what happens in Cleveland if they if I think
they're gonna start Flacco, like can he Pickett stands no
(41:44):
chance here. It's going to be Flacco, and then they'll
probably keep three in. I would think Shador and Dylan
Gabriel because they got Deshaun Watson on I are But
think about if they just stumble their way into a
really good, viable starting quarterback because everybody else for whatever reason,
(42:07):
whatever reason they had passed on him, Like you see,
and I get that it's preseason, but like some of
the throws that he made in that game alone, his
first touchdown was like only where his receiver could get
it on the money in the end zone under pressure
across his body, like a whole bunch of different things.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Pretty pretty good. Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Texter says, is it fair to call Shadur a fifth
rounder when he was projected to be a first rounder
and he just had a big mouth. Yeah, it's fair
because he was a fifth rounder. I mean, I don't
think it's if there's any fairer case than saying that
that that guy's a fifth rounder when he was drafted
the fifth round. And I'm still not sure if what
you're alleging is the reason why he slid. I think
(42:54):
it's partly that I think get factored into if they
thought he was going to be a backup, because we
all know that is the NFL will tolerate a quote
circus being brought to town. I'm not calling him that,
I'm saying the media circus. They'll tolerate his circus being
brought to town. If the guy's good, they won't do it.
(43:15):
If the guy's not good enough. It's what hurt t
Bow a lot. It's what hurt Kaepernick a lot. So
it hurts a lot of guys. Is that are these
guys capable of being NFL players? And should they be? Yeah?
They probably should. But do you want to deal with
this for a guy who's buried on your depth chart?
(43:36):
That's it. A lot of people bring in other names,
Man Tito, Nope, not this, Russell Wilson, No, not this.
I don't think I've seen anything like it. So get
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