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Welcome to Stories of Special Forces OperatorsPodcast. Listen to some of the bravest
and toughest people on the planet sharetheir stories. Sit back and enjoy.
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Welcome back everyone. Today we havea special guest, a retired French sas
Special Forces. I'm really excited aboutthis to learn more about how they operated.
So this is exciting today with usis Charles Ramone. Now he has
two companies he works for right now. He actually owns one of is Vooky
Bay Tour Operators over in Madagascar.It's really cool. You can check it
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out on YouTube. It's Voky Bee. Check it out on YouTube's with some
great videos. It's a beautiful place. Actually, it's a beautiful I never
really looked at Madagascar before. Healso runs the Bar Colorado Bar Cafe.
It looks really cool. You cansee it on his Instagram at Rodman jar
Head r O d M A.N. Jar Head. You can find
out more about him there. Youcan see the pictures of the bar.
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Actually, the pictures of the barare going to be at his Instagram page,
which is let me get you thatfor you and the instagram handles Cafe
dot Bar Colorado, Cafe dot BarColorado so you can check it out there,
and it's really a cool place.I wish I was close enough.
I'd stop by myself, but we'rea little bit far away right now.
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So before we get started, makesure to share, subscribe, hit that
like button. Let's get started andfind out what the special Forces are like
in France. The first let's learnabout Charles Ramo and welcome, Charles.
Welcome. Thank you very much tohave me tonight. Thank you very much
for being here. I truly appreciateit, Charles. I always ask every
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special forces from whatever country. We'veinterviewed, special forces from Alia, from
the UK, a lot from America. That's where I'm at easier. Let
me ask you this, what motivatedyou to get into special Forces. It's
a long story, I think ifyou have to spend all the time all
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night to explain about that. Butfirst of all, I want to tell
you guys that English is not mymother tongue, so I may have some
some issue explaining stuff in English.I will try my best. Yeah,
no problem. So why I joinedthe French Special Forces. It's just experience,
you know, being in a missionin Africa and seeing those big guys
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landing on a helicopter, dressed uplike like like contractors, you know,
with the weird glasses, with awith a big muscle. You're like,
this is the ship, this isthe good work to do. So yeah,
that's how I I I started tobe interested in special Force. Yeah,
any of you were any in yourfamily military? Oh yeah, I
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had my grandpa who used to beinga military. My my my great grandfather
died in a in a First WorldWar, my great great grandfather. And
I have an uncle who was pilot, you know, jet pilot and a
mechanic. He started by mechanic andbecoming jet pilot in France. And I
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have some cousins in the military.So for me just you know, actually
I didn't I didn't plan to besoldier at the at the beginning, but
my my, my childhood was trainedto become a soldier. That's when my
my my my parents raised me,not being a soldier, but being like
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living like a normal life, atough life. My dad teach us everything
about about life, like how tolive in in every kind of situation.
So, you know, being themilitary for me was just the end of
my training was interesting. So theytrained you like you lived a kind of
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like a really disciplined life in yourchildhood. Then yeah, yeah, my
dad was very, very disciplined person. He was handicapped guy, raising six
kids. But his life was verystrict. You know, I've never seen
my dad drunk, never, never, So his life is like he needed
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to be strayed on everything saying andhe kept his words. When he said
something, he do it. Sothat's how I was raised up. And
uh, life in Madagascar back backthen was really hard because it was under
the communist regime, which is verydifferent from other country communist country. But
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also oh it's a it's a verydisciplined life. Okay, now let me
ask you this. So you grewup in Madagascar or halftime inc. I
grew up in Madagascar. I grewup in Madagascar and see them twenty and
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then you when you were able toget how did you get into the French
special Forces that you were able todo that without being a French citizen?
Then yeah, yeah, my momis French, so yeah, I'm French
there. Yeah, okay, mymother is a part of these French who
came in Madagascar and never left,you know, my family. So I
grew up really as a malagast person. I speak fluent the dialects and languages
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here, but I had also mymy French culture during my my chilehood.
So when I end up in France, I was a little bit shocked about
the the community where I lived,but I dubbed myself really quick. Yeah,
well, France is different all overthe place, right, I'm not
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sure how how many places you wentto France? Did you ever go to
Paris? Of course? Yeah?Yeah, how'd you like? That is
the place where you you land whenyou come back from mission. So most
of the time I went to theParis. Oh interesting, let's start.
Let's start off there when you wentNow you spent straight to the French military
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or did you actually go to Madagascarmilitary? Which one did you start?
Or do you even do any kindof military and Madagascar or none at all?
No? No, no, didn'tdo anything military in Madagascar. I
just start by being in the ForeignLegion. So I started my career in
the Foreign Legion and I didn't spenda lot of time there because after my
boot camp, I have to tostop my contract for family's issue. I
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have my brother he was in Comma, So the Foreign Legion do not give
you opportunity to visit your family beforeyou get your real h pipper dumb done
properly. So they refuse me toto to see my brother, so I
just break my contract. Well suredidn't make them very happy, but I
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can understand why you did that,that's for sure. Yeah, it's very
important. Let me ask you.Let me ask you this, Charles.
Then tell us a little bit aboutI know you can't share everything about Special
Forces training. We know that's usualto keep it secret. I know I've
talked to green Berets down here andit's the same thing. But tell us
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a little bit about anything that.Did you find it difficult? How about
that? Did you find it difficultand challenging? The training for Special Forces?
Okay, so you know the SpecialForce training out of the selection,
the selection is real rough, youknow, because they need to splitch people,
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like to separate those who want todo something and those who don't want
to get hurt at all. Right, so you have different tests and different
way to do that. But thenonce you join the Special Forces, you
have a training really hard but atthe same time really technique, you know,
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so they will never make you sometry to to give you something to
do if you can do it.So that's something really important to tell kids.
It's not because you're going in aSpecial Forces you're gonna date more or
they're gonna do something stupid about you. You know you are you are your
future weapon. You are a futureoperator that they're gonna use to do like
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special missions. So the one youto be in a good shape and to
be very stable. And of coursethey need smart people. So basically,
when you meet Special Force gay,ninety percent of time there's a very smart
person, but they really do notknow that they're smart. That's actually an
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interesting way I'm saying that because everybodyI've ever interviewed whose Special Forces has been
extremely intelligent. Yeah, they havealways something different from people like they.
When you are in the team,there's always somebody who knows something to do.
Let me tell you something. Ihave a team. We almost everybody
speaks English. I have a guywho spoke Arah who speaks Arab speaking Spanish,
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German, of course, French,Italian. I mean when we go
somewhere, we don't need translators.It's important. So it's really important,
it's really important. I don't know, I don't know about how it's said
over there in France or Madagascar,but I know here when I've talked to
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Forces, one of the things thatthey think is the most one of the
most important parts of any kind ofmission is working with the indigenous people of
that area and being able to Yeah. Yeah, so this is one of
my my most skills I think Ihad when I was in Special Forces,
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when I traveled in the country.Because my experience in Madagascar, I have
a huge view hope people, especiallypeople from uh I don't like to say
to use the word indigenous because it'sreally really complicated words. I'm really about
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my person, but you know,I would call people the people from the
country. That's what I use,you know. So my advantage is like
I have a really easy feeling andtalking with the local people. And because
I was really different from all myteammates. There's some people a special meeting
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Redmond in Emission. Interesting. Yeah, And I'll get back to that later
on when we talk about some ofyour whatever. You can share about some
of your missions or stories and seehow that worked for you. But before
we get to that, I wantedto ask you this quick question. Again.
I'm not familiar very much with theFrench Special Forces. Everybody in Europe.
It seems like everybody in special forcesis usually pretty tight lip. They
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don't say anything, so it's reallybeen hard to get people. But yeah,
let me ask you this. Doyou think that training the special forces
training also is very important for mindset? That was one of the things they're
looking for people who are mentally tough. Did you see that kind of training
going on too? Yeah? Yeah. During the training, they test you
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all the time, so you arein a constant test. And when people
can do it, the just quedyou know, to a lot of people
quit. Oh yeah, there's enoughquod quiting. How how long is the
training? It's different. So theFrench Special Forces, especially in my unit,
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have different ways to get in thespecial forces. So you have the
civilian part where people from the civiliancivilian life joined the military, so they
have a different processes. And thenyou have military guys who already in the
military, so they can be fromthe the army and they come to do
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the Special Force test, especially forArmy Special Force because I was in the
Army Special Force all right. Andthen you have UH for soldiers, we
have the officer UH training and thenwe have the en SE training, which
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is different. So my training wasabout one year and a half almost,
Yeah, what a year and ahalf? Yeah, before you go you
operate. Yeah, yeah, soI was I'm just gonna just for the
audience sake, so they know,I'm assuming you're doing all kinds of different
types of training. You're coming outof helicopters, you're going underwater, You're
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being exposed to really cold weather.You're practicing shooting what they call here CQB
close quarter pattles and something. Okay, do a lot of that stuff.
Yes, sir, Where do youso? I don't know if you can
tell us where, but you doyou have Do you have a special place
did you guys go to Is ita special like mountain area or anywhere like
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that or so we are based inthe Sulfur Frience. So it's a very
very good place to train because wehave the ocean, we have lakes,
we have river, we have mountainsin the small area. So the training
was a wrong on the town andwe are lucky because it's a seitadel,
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you know. Wow. So wehave a very cool place to work because
every day you go to work,you're getting in a citadel you know,
and actually it was a jail beforeduring the Middle Age, I think,
and my unit I have one ofthe best facilities where you can train a
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person without leaving the citadel. Youcan do shooting, you can do part
shooting, you can do helicopter,you can do sniping, you can do
secub, you can do close protectiontraining inside the citadel. So basically we
have a lot of training going oninside. That's a big citadel. You
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can even blow doors, like wecan blow until forty gram of explosive inside,
so all day long you have boomboom people get there. It's that's
very cool. I know my familylikes to go to Nice to visit their
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grandmaw. So yeah, the southof South Francis I wasn't the complete opposite.
Oh the other side. Yeah yeah, near Yers. Oh you're over
there. Okay, got it gotvery nice. So okay, so that's
an interesting place to train. That'snot a bad place to train, not
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bad at all. What did youlike the most of the training. Did
you like the helicopter, the CQBexplosives. What was your favorite part?
My favorite part is uh shooting secoh shooting, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
definitely Interesting. Can you now doyou remember the very first time you
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got deployed for a mission? Hyeah, that was back in two thousand
and two. You know, therewe were deployed, but I wasn't Special
Force yet. So you want toask as a special force guy. Uh,
yeah, what's the first time wegot deployed of special forces? Oh?
My first diplomat at a special forcewas in uh in the Balkans,
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you know, uh coast, Somy un first one. No, no,
no, it's not my favorite,but I went my first one.
That was my first one, butthat was I want to protect the head
of the metal issue a general forcestarts. So my unit is specialized in
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close protection. So we protect ourVIPs or politicians or some some people working
for the government when they go overseasin a war zone. We have a
special union to do that and Iwas part of it. Interesting, Now,
do you remember the first time youever got into combat? My first
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you mean my my my gunfight?Yeah, your first gunfight. I know
you were in there. Yeah,you know the first time I really be
in a gun fight, like beingin a war zone was in Afghanistan and
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uh, when I went to Syriain Afghanistan and Syria. Yeah, we
also we get a lot of diplomatin Africa, you know, where we
do special mission. But sometimes youdo mission, you hear just two gun
shots, we got shot and thejob is done. Oh that's around,
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that's at the end of it.What did you think about the very first
time you get into a gun Thereis a huge there is a huge amount
of time where you prepare a missionand sometimes you don't need even to to
engage people. But it's that's that'swhy you are. You are special for
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What did you think about the firsttime you were in a gunfight? Were
you like, this is what Iwanted to do? What am I doing
here? What were you thinking?Yeah, that's what I was saying,
what I'm doing here? Especially wherewhen you do mission where we have zero
super who can come in in afew towns, you are like, what
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the hell I'm doing here? Butalso you have all your friends around you,
so you were just there because ofyour friends. You don't care about
the other things. When you're inthose kind of spot, you are more
Yeah, I don't worry about that. All the politics are not the bullshit.
You don't care about it. Andmost of the time. What they're
saying on the TV is just afluid. Yeah, that's in every country.
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Yeah, yeah, TV is abunch of nonsense. I don't know
in regards to your to your missions, did you have air support as well
sometimes or was it just yeah oryou did have air support? Yeah,
yeah, we had a lot ofair support. So basically the Special Force
when you when you want to domission, you have preparation and then like
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some countries, you have the theyhave a code for the mission. So
I don't want to say the code. I'll just tell you example today you're
gonna say D G one or DT one, D D two, d
D three, So it's one.If it's one, you have no no,
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no percent of gun fight. Youknow, when you start to have
two, it's like we're sure we'regonna have a gunfight on the ground.
Ah. And when you have tobe example, that's a that's kind of
example in the mission. Uh thereis a specific word for that, but
I want I won't say that.Uh. So basically, some people spend
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all the life in Special Forces anddon't have one gun fight even once.
Really, yes, sir, soare you I don't know how familiar how
familiar you are with US Special Forces. But you know, like for instance,
we talked earlier about Delta. Deltaalways gets in the gunfights. I
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mean we we we have people gettinga gunfight. You have gunfights, but
it's not what people think about thegunfight. Most of the time. When
you have a huge gun fight,that means something went wrong, you know.
So basically, when you're gonna you'regoing to clean the house, you're
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gonna have a gun fight. Butit's it's like more, it's like being
in a in a situation where youhave how we how we call this,
You have doctors and you have asurgery, and doctors and surgeon don't work
the same way. So especially firstguys're gonna do a job. You don't
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even need to shoot. Sometimes sometimesthere is only one person's gonna shoot in
the team and the job is done. Or if something goes wrong, you
have a hundred people coming up andyou have a huge gun fight. But
I'm telling you something with my experience, it's good to be in a gunfight.
It's it's a lot of adournally,but you don't want to be in
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a gunfight all the long. Remindsme I don't. I'm sure you've heard
a black Hawk down in the Battleof Mogadishu. Yeah, these things.
Can you see that this kind ofmission you can turn really easy, like
the guy in the the Marcus Laturalguy with his team, you know,
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the navicial guy. Oh yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, yeah
yeah, so you when you seethat this mission. If I was in
that mission, I would I wouldshoot the kid, the the the the
the the the young guy who hurtthe goods because I've read the book about
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anti mac now and now had thesame problem. And they didn't shoot the
person. So I understand why whylargely didn't shoot the kid because you have
maybe kids, you have a nephew, and it's really important to be to
follow your your instincts, you know. But I think I want I won't
let them go. I will shootthem and bury them and then yeah,
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that's probably what we'll do. Yeah. I'm not rety that this that right.
I'm not saying they're doing anything wrong, all right, But that day
the team leader thought that was thegood way is just to let these people
believe in and then they just facedthe consequences. I actually interviewed Andy mcnaw
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that's that's interesting that you mentioned him. Yeah. Yeah, that's a tough
situation, man. Yeah, butthat's the thing, right, Charles,
That's the thing. The thing uniqueabout special Forces is that you guys have
to think quickly. You have tosolve problems fast, really quick, really
quick. Yeah. So so sometimeswe are doing today we are in a
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mission hunting bad guys, and tomorrownight we are in an embassy doing those
potations. So your brain, yourbrain need to switch from being in an
operator in a helicopter landing on inthe middle of nowhere and being in a
uh in a suit getting a ladyfrom from a place to another place.
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And it's funny because people have noidea who you are, what you have
been through. That's a that's avery interesting point. So you're having to
walk somebody who has no clue whoyou are as a Special Forces person.
At the same time, you probablyhad a gun fight a day before.
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Man, that's crazy. You know, it's funny because I remember the I've
never been in a crazy like crazygunfight. I've been I've been in a
gunfight, but it's more I haveI had the advantage I will Let's let's
say that m hm. Anytime anytimeyou were really I controlled the good situation,
so it was easier anytime you werereally in a scary situation where you
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thought you weren't sure what was goingto happen, if you're gonna get out.
Yeah, I've been three four timesin a very bad situation. Oh
really, yes, sir. Idon't know if you can share any one
of those or are they just toopersonal? Oh I can't share one of
those. It was I'm not goingto talk about the country, but it
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was just the morning I was doingmy qurefe time because we have we are
split in two teams, so oneof the team went in mission and I
was the quick correction forces for theteam in mission. So my team,
my teammate was was engaged by atactical in the house okay, and three
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of the three guys were down,not killed, but they were really bad
injury. The vehicle was completely thedoor was opened away, you know,
was crazy. It was crazy.The door was blown off or something.
Yeah, because the guard shooting thedoor and nobody nobody was in the car.
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And so I got a phone call. Was I was in the gym,
you know, pumping irons and Igot a phone call like you need
to go right now because you haveyou have a serious situation going on.
So I went in the in theposition and with my teammates, so you're
like six people. And when Iend up in the in the in the
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zone, we prepared the the madethe vac and everything. So the other
team was made a vac of theinjured guy and then I get a I
get order I have to come backto the position. So it was very
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difficult because I was with another team, another unit. The guy didn't want
to go. I didn't want togo. No, no, the guy
told me in the ice, hesaid it was hot down there, man,
we're not going back there. ButI get the order to go back
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there. So I was like,who want to come? And six people
resident him. We're coming with you, man. So even six people was
not enough because we had to switchcars and and you need to have more
people come in with us because it'slike no man's la. So I was
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I was talking with the guy whowant to come with me? I said,
you guys should were gonna go backthere, and they're like, hey,
let's go back there. We didn'twant to let that the position get
took it talk him by by badguys. Okay. So I was staying
there trying to figure out how I'mgonna do it, and three vehicle show
up, three vehicle toyota. Isaw six. Guy came in out,
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Hey, what's up man? Youknow speaking British? There was twenty two
sizes guy. They're like, oh, I heard the we heard the news
on the on the radio when wecame here to help you guys, So
what is the plane? So thatwas the team leader who's talking to me,
but he didn't tell me it wasthe team leader. Okay, And
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I really I really appreciated bridge people. Were they the twenty two essays?
Because very very very very good people. Okay, really appreciate them. So
the guy told me, you youtake the lead, we just follow you.
So I took these guys in myin my position where I need to
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go, and it's like a hugevalley and the village. Okay. So
I talked to the team leader.I said, I'm gonna bring my team
there. Can you do like aah like to support us until we hit
the position? So he started toshoot mortar. And this is the cool
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thing about Special Force because we getoff from the car. We prepare all
the explosives and he said, dowe want to shoot? I said,
I've never shoot mortar ready. Hesaid, just to show you, he
explained to me how to shoot murder. Of course, I'm not the guy
who does the all the setting,but I just shoot the mortar, which
is in the regular army. Ifyou have to do that, we have
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to go through a crazy training legyou know what I mean. And this
told me. He said, oh, let's do the air support with with
the mortar. So we start toshoot. They start to shoot mortar,
maybe one hundred and fifty rounds going, and it grows every They shoot every
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thirty second, I think because theflying time was enough to do that.
So while they're shooting, I crossedthe valley and end up in the house.
So now we we are in thehouse and they join us right after
maybe one hour, and the firsttwo hours were we were there, we
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just tacticals, calm and you startto have a gunfight with these guys,
but we just clean everything with oursupport. That was that was, that
was the main thing, because theseguys were really smart. So what they're
doing is they they open up ahouse. All right, The go inside
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the open the ceiling, so theroof don't have there is a hole on
the roof. Okay, yeah,so they shoot from inside the house,
so you can't see any ah,anytime you can see anything. You just
heard the first and then we can'tto and we know that after thirty second
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it's gonna land somewhere in our position. So these motherfuckers were shooting at us
like twenty or forty mortar and everytime we have to go from the roof
and coming down coming down, youknow. So every time the mortar come,
we go down and we have togo back because you need to see
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where the shooting is from. Butthat day we saw where it's from,
so we dropped. We called bB fifty two I think that they were
or are you called the the Ftwenty two twenty two? Yeah, raptor
it's a raptor. Yeah, Ithink we have a airth supportose a raptor
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like for all day longmen, andit starts from eleven to the next day,
but it's like ten minutes. Andso the funny thing about that is
I got another story about that.So we spent like one day, like
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almost one day and a half inthat position, and we did our job
and we came back. So itwas a nice, nice meeting with the
SIS. The first time I metSI S people. Yeah, and one
of my dream when I read andlike, oh, I was someday I'm
gonna see these guys. And Imade these guys in the film. And
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when we went home, they cameback. The team leader came back and
he brought a whiskey single them outwith the with the SI sign and everything,
you know, like beautiful whiskey bottle. And you show up in my
in my h Q. Where didyou drink? Sorry, did you drink
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as well? No? No,no, they brain the bottle. We
don't drink admission, We don't drinkit. No no, no, no,
no no no no, that's whatyou want to give it as a
gift. Oh but but but doyou drink alcohol? Cause you said I
think you said your dad didn't drinkalcohol or did he drink too? He
just never got drunk? Who me? Yeah you said your dad didn't drink
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alcohol. No no, no,my dad did drink alcohol. My dad
is not okay, But you dodrink alcohol. Yeah, I drink alcohol
like everybody you know. I drinksometime, but I'm not. I'm not
a guy who have a problem ifI don't drink. Do you like the
whiskey? Oh? So my storywith the whiskey was like, the guys
show up, the tim leaders showup with the six whiskey and my officer
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that they said, oh, thisis a good gift for for you the
unit, so you can bring itback to the unit and give it to
the to the head of the unit. I'm like and she's like, sorry,
this is not for you, thisis for Remond, who were the
guy we went to mission and everybody'slike, what's going on? And he's
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like, I want to see theteam leader who come with me last time.
So I went. I came outand talked to him like, hey
man, his name was George.Hey George. And he's like, hey
everyone, I had I had agood time with you guys. I'm very
happy I work with the French Specialfortune. We have a gift for you.
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So he gave me the photo.I still have it still. Yeah,
yeah, don't I don't want todrink? Are we drinking? When
my one of my kids get marriedand have simple that they need to be
a good friend of mine now haveyou met anybody else? You worked the
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green Berets too in cag right,Yeah, yeah, so the the Greenberry
training we we worked with them inAfghanistan. How was that for you?
It was great. I met greatpeople, good friends. We're still friend
until today. You know, Istill talk with these guys. It's almost
about twelve years now. But thereis this brotherhood between the soldiers. Even
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though we are friends through American Wedon't care about how politics role. We're
just soldiers. We're just school betweeneach other, you know what I mean.
Yeah. So, and the storyabout that is one of the Greenberrys
I went to see in America.I went in Oregon. So one of
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the guys was he was our medicand he when he came back in America,
he studied to be doctor and hebecame a doctor and he ran a
hospital near in Oregon. I forgotthe name of the town, but I
did a right trick with my familyand I went to see him. And
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he's like, he's like a coolguys. I have a beer, you
know, not very big. Helooks like Native American, a little bit
like or a little bit like Mexican, you know, mixed. I'm sure
he's have these roots somewhere there.But the funny thing is everybody there didn't
know that he done was a hero. He's so simple. So you know,
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that's interesting you mentioned that because Ithink that sometimes I have that problem
when I bring on to the showgreen Berets or Navy seals. I think
they're too humble to share stories.Yeah, they don't want to share these
stories. Sometimes they don't. Theyfeel like it's, oh, it's not
a big deal. It's not abig deal. Yeah it's not a big
yeah, sure, but it isa big deal. I mean my heart,
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my heart was racing listening to yourstory. Oh, I mean,
it's amazing what you guys do comparedto what you know. There's a lot
of people, you know this onthe internet that think they're tough, and
they type a lot of things andthey say a lot of things, but
they haven't done anything. Yeah.Oh, I think I think that's the
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part of the culture. I mean, before people like us, people will
say we are Some of my friendsthink that I'm I'm crazy sharing my experience.
But the world turn today, youknow, there're more what today.
I mean I said, some ofmy friends think that I'm crazy sharing my
experience, sharing experience, but it'sthe same time it allowed me to to
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be in peace with myself. Ohthat's interesting, you know because in many
missions, I feel like I didn'tdo the job. So I feel really
really guilty on some situation, youknow. So I don't talk about people
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about what I've been doing and everybody. But sometimes I talk with people and
I tell them, you know,when I talk with my kids, sometimes
the grown up you know, theyask me why I'm sad, sometimes because
I went to I want. I'mstill having my PTSD. I got a
PTSD, you know, and she'sreally really hard. And my case,
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I see somebody every week. Italk to somebody every week, somebody from
France. I really appreciate that she'shelping me. But be able to talk
and be able to share your experience, it's really important for me. You
don't you don't need to tell allthe details or what do you think about
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the stuff, But you can tellstories to people. Don't don't need to
like, just don't like. Butwhat do you what do you tell people?
It's a very important message. Ithink a lot. And we'll talk
more about your transition out of themilitary, because I think a lot of
soldiers have a hard time with that. Yeah, it's a very different world.
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I mean it sounds like your worldis really similar to a lot of
the other special Forces. Very fast, a lot of actions. It's like
the train, sir, It's likethere's a train going on. You jump
in the train and for all theyears you want the special Forces, the
train go fast, and once youget out, you are dumb. You're
over. Yeah, that's hard.That's hard to get adjusted to. Yay,
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and and you're forgot people forget it. Just you're just number. I
was going to ask you that I'vehad other special Forces from Britain, from
Australia, and they tell me theydon't have they don't see that support that
America gives their special forces or theirmilitary. Does France do the same or
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they don't do very much of thateither. No, they don't do much
either. And it needs to changebecause right now I'm having really hard time
even though like all my medical treatmentpay myself. I don't have any help,
you know, really, so Ispent about two hundred bucks a month
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to treat myself, but I paywith my money, I pocket money.
So it's really tough sometimes but Ican't give up because of my family.
So I always tell myself, thisis my struggle. I will struggle until
I day, I think, becauseI don't think you can cure the things,
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but you can. You can controlit in a different ways, you
know. So right now when Ihave my when the stuff come up,
you know, my my sleeping orI'm really nervous or I'm really I feel
really stressed or unsecured, I tryto handle myself in my in my way,
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and it started to pay us.But I wish the military would pay
me my my treatment, leg mymy my doctor, all the things.
But they don't. That's amazing.Left the military, it was over.
They don't pay you anything at allafter anything, after you're done. They
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don't pay your retirement nothing. Idon't know. I have my return.
I got your retirement. Okay,yeah, but but but like I tried
to get there is a some associationin France where the fight for your right
to get some money from what youget damaged from. Yeah, and I
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apply for that things. But becauseI was in Madagascar at the time that
the letter comes to Managaustar, ittakes six months. So basically they tell
you if you don't answer after onemonth, we just delayed everything. So
that's how how might happened. Ireceived all the letters like six months or
eight months after that, especially withit, and and I have nothing from
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the military, rhythm, nothing,just just my pension. So I pay
all my bill with my medical bill, with my pension. And that's tough
news. That's tough news. Hopefullythat will change. And for the other
soldiers, I hope, I hopewe're gonna change. And we need to
change this because these guys give theiron trend life for the nation and for
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to protect everybody. And I don'tgo into politics. I don't go through
the politics. What the politician does, it's not my business. But we
just need to respect those soldiers.That's it. Absolutely, You're right,
they're they're giving a lot up andthey should have given a lot back.
I mean, I complain about thisthere too. Well. I definitely admire
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and respect you for sharing what youjust shared and for your service as well.
Even though I'm not French, Ithank you for your service, for
doing what you were doing. Youwill come, sir, because I know
we do have common enemies, sowe have to be united on those.
Let me ask you this. Anyfunny stories during your time. I always
hear something funny going on, andthere's always somebody who does some kind of
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joke or prank sometime along. SpecialForces, you guys seem to be I
have a funny drug. So youknow, all the all the Special Forces
guys with the good mission, wetried to be in a good ship,
like go in a gym every day. Our goal is to go back home
feet like strong, you know whatI mean. So in the team we
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have, I wasn't in that team, but it's another team. So their
officer he take prutty. You know. So for six months, the guy
is puttin into chocolate. He's thinkinghis checker. He said, this person
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is weird, but it's it's reallygood. So he's taking both. Well,
I was a trucking chocolate. Hewas drinking chocolate. Six was getting
fun. He can't get in shape, and it's like, motherfucker, what's
going on? And after four monthshe realized that you have been drinking chocolate.
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He was pissed off. Like thisthe kind of things that Special for
the guys does, right, Ohman, that's bad. An another story.
We you know, we drove thosefour by four our vehicle for our
training in France. So we hadthree vehicles driving in the highway and I
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was driving one of the vehicles.No, no, no, I was
not driving. I was a patpassenger. Our vehicle have radio, have
satellites, we have we have speakers, the car car can speaks near you
everything. So we were driving onthe highway and there is a guy driving
his girlfriend, beautiful blonde girl,and the guys start to look at me,
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and I was looking at her,his girlfriend, because she was beautiful,
you know, but I didn't doanything wrong. Just watching it.
I told my friend, oh,she's really pretty, and he's like,
fuck you. He's doing that tome, like what girl is doing.
And he started to dread next tous and getting nervous. And you were
driving three vehicle separated, and I'mlike, let's give him a lesson,
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guys, because this guy think he'sfucking top. So I started to run
the serenge, you know. Theguy started to freak up because he's like
these guys are cops or something likethat. So I told him follow us.
So he followed us, and thethree vehicle was one was in front,
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one was behind, and the thirdone was the left so you couldn't
run away. And I told oneof my teammates, I said, let's
take this card to what you wantto bring them. It's like our training
today, and let's give him alisten. So we stopped in the middle
of nowhere and there's a school notfar from me, right, and I
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get up from the car and like, good morning, sir, and they
got like, oh, good morning, officer. I said, I'm officer.
I said, oh, good door, good morning from down because from
dark is like a national guard,Like I'm not darn. He's like,
good morning you were whoever? Areyou? Just the kind of guy that
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you should never mess with. AndI was dressed up like simplon closed.
I have a big jacket and Ihad my can, my MP and I
get off my m for just inthe front of the guy right, so
he was looking at me. Hewas freaking up. And all my friends
on the radio said, my mom, stop that ship man. You cannot
have trouble with the poli. Isaid, no, worry about it.
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I'm gonna take care of it.I'm the boss, but I'm gonna take
her of it. So I toldthe guy, said, why you were
you were so rude with us.I didn't do anything. I said,
your girlfriend is beautiful, look ather, and you are doing stupid things
and you think you're tough. Oh, I'm sorry, it's mystery. I'm
sorry, officer, right. Ijust my my driving lessons is almost over.
I have only two points left becausein France you can lose your points
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if you drive too fast or youyou you cross a line, red line,
you know. Oh yeahah, Sohe was scared shitless because on his
driving lessons you don't have enough pointsanymore. I'm like, I'm not gonna
take your points. But I said, you are lucky. Your girlfriend is
beautiful. So I let you gotoday, but next time be careful because
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you're fucking shoot your car. Andone of my friends on the radio on
the speakers like more and let's leave. They just leaving them. Okay,
you're gonna live. You're lucky.My friend's lucky. Look calling me,
so we lift. It's crazy,this is crazy. I think this guy
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was never again. No, Idon't think he will. By the way,
folks, we're talking again to Frenchretired French sa s Charles Ramon.
You can find out on Instagram atRodman jar head it's r O D J
R O D m A n jarhead j A r H e A D.
You can also find out his othertwo Instagram accounts. Vote Vooki Bay
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which is v O k y Underscoreb E, and then you can go
to Cafe Dot Bar, Colorado.It's got a lot of counts but really
cool stuff. Charles. I know, we got a couple of minutes left,
and I just wanted to thank youagain so much for taking the time
out. Any movies that motivated youto get into the military, or any
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move means that you think today thatyou like. Every time I ask the
Green Berets, they always say GreenBeret with John Wayne, or they'll say
Rambo. Anything for you, Ohthat was that? And Schwartz Snigger the
Terminator. I'm a big fun ofSchutz Snigger and and and Sotis tell them
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it was kid. So it's likeour they weren't glad, but because they
were fighting a bunch of die it'sjust sitting crazy, you know. So
everybody loves loves Rumbo and uh andthe Shrutz Nigger. Let me tell you
about this in the last couple ofminutes. Tell us a little bit about
what is Vuki Bay tour operators.Okay, so booky Bay means you are
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beautiful. Vookie is belly belliful.Oh okay, yeah, and Bay's a
lot so you are very beliful.You know, it's a really easy word
for everybody around the world that wepicked that name because everybody can say Bookibe.
You know, either you are Japanese, Chinese, French, everybody just
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the accent changed. But it's areally easy word. And what I'm doing
here, I try to give peoplethe best of my tongue. I'm living
in a small tongue or Calledfordia,and in the area of five. We
have legs, we have ocean.You can serve here, best surf spot,
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you have montage, you have legs, have river, we have waterfall.
You can't do quads here. Youcan do buggies, you can do
uh kayaks, pado surf, youcan do some parading, you know.
Oh wow, I can do alot. Yeah you can. You can
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do a lot of things here.And this town is very beautiful. I
call it the Malas California. It'slike California, but better the for you.
So I just start my tour andCobbins Cam so we just stopped working
for two years, but I hopeit's gonna start soon. So my tour
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can give you can make you visitMadagasta, especially in my area, with
a special forced guy who can makesure that you're gonna be safe everywhere you
go. Okay, So I planthe tree for the people from the capital
to my town and I take careof everything. So people just pay me
up front and they have all theirholidays taking care of so people can work
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out in the morning with me ifthey want to. Sometimes people come and
learn how to shoot, you know, and I just teach people how too
maney plate gun. Sometimes people that. Yeah, and people come they do
cost fit at me in the morning, and some people just hand out go
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serve with me, visiting, goingdoing quads, bikes, motorbikes, you
know. So if you want tovisit Madagasta and especially in my tone,
head ucab dot com and you're gonnahave Rudman Drahead taking all around bookabay dot
com. Folks. Again, it'sv o k y underscore b. You
can also see that channel on YouTube, like I was mentioning earlier, you
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can see how beautiful it is.Really cool stuff. Do you do any
CQB training over there now, No, I abtoually. I go overseas for
my training. I still go trainingoverseas. Yeah. So if you take
on my Instagram, I used towork with some folks to go before,
but we with the COVID, westop working together and they're doing their business
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and I'm starting something else. Yeah, I got it. And right now
I'm just waiting for the border tobe open because Madagasta is still posed COVID.
It's a whole big different mess.Ask you one more question. In
the US, we have, youknow, the green Berets, and then
you have the Delta that comes outof the Green Berets. Do you have
anything similar in France like Delta Yeah? Yeah, so my unit is like
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Delta Force. Yeah. Oh yourunit was like Delta Force. Yeah.
So you have the Covenant of theGreenberry and then we have the my unit.
What's it called? Can we canwe know that or now? So
it's called first R P R MA but the it's called French s A
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S. It's not it doesn't standfrom UH Special Earth Service, but it's
stemmed from UH stick Option Special StickAction Special. Yeah. Interesting, So
that means a group of people whodo special things stick action special. Wow,
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that's fascinating. I never even heardof that. Is it? Is
it? Is that how it's translatedinto English? Or is that how it's
actually called, or that's what it'scalled in French? But yeah, I
think in English itselmost something. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't sound as it
was created from My need was creditfrom the British Essays back in nineteen forty
forty four. Yeah, that's whereI got the funny feeling when I saw
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the Says things. I know,I learned that from the Australians. They
got theirs as well from there.Yeah, so we had to get the
seventh grade color. Well, Charles, I could keep you here all night,
but I know it's about nine o'clockover there, nine fifteen. It's
already late. He's about ten hoursahead of me, folks, So I'm
going to let him call it atnight. But I would love to bring
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it back and continue our conversation,maybe when we have more time and we
can continue to talk about stories andmore about Madagascar. I also think it
might be kind of fun. Idon't know if you're willing to do it,
and I'll ask you. I'll keepit a surprise for my listeners.
But thank you so much, Charlesagain for doing this. I truly appreciate
it. Thank you very much forhaving me. And I thought my English
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was an off clear and and anduh and good for you guys, and
uh we we we love America,you know, one of my favorite country.
My kids, my kids are American. I'm the only friends in the
house. So just just keep thisfights and in one end up tomorrow,
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you know. So just we needjust to respect of our soldiers, give
more more credit to the soldiers,all the soldiers, not only special for
the guy. Everybody working for thegovernment, everybody trying to help, you
know, from from medics to soldiersto policemen, everybody. I just want
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to thank to everybody and keep itup because we're still fighting bad, bad
things all day long. The samething to you. I wanted to say
thank you as well for your serviceover there. Again, we're all fighting
that common enemy. No matter ifyou're from France or Italy, you're Sweden,
doesn't really matter. Thank you somuch, Charles. Thank you everyone
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for listening. Make sure to share, subscribe, and hit that like button.
Go check out Rodman jar Head onInstagram. Also check out who who
Kee. He says it was easyfor everybody, Vooki Bae, Vooki Baye,
v O k Y, Underscore veE and Cafe Dot Bar, Colorado.
Thanks for listening, everybody,
Welcome to Stories of Special Forces OperatorsPodcast. Listen to some of the bravest
and toughest people on the planet sharetheir stories. Sit back and enjoy.
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Welcome back everyone. Today we havea special guest, a retired French sas
Special Forces. I'm really excited aboutthis to learn more about how they operated.
So this is exciting today with usis Charles Ramone. Now he has
two companies he works for right now. He actually owns one of is Vooky
Bay Tour Operators over in Madagascar.It's really cool. You can check it
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out on YouTube. It's Voky Bee. Check it out on YouTube's with some
great videos. It's a beautiful place. Actually, it's a beautiful I never
really looked at Madagascar before. Healso runs the Bar Colorado Bar Cafe.
It looks really cool. You cansee it on his Instagram at Rodman jar
Head r O d M A.N. Jar Head. You can find
out more about him there. Youcan see the pictures of the bar.
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Actually, the pictures of the barare going to be at his Instagram page,
which is let me get you thatfor you and the instagram handles Cafe
dot Bar Colorado, Cafe dot BarColorado so you can check it out there,
and it's really a cool place.I wish I was close enough.
I'd stop by myself, but we'rea little bit far away right now.
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So before we get started, makesure to share, subscribe, hit that
like button. Let's get started andfind out what the special Forces are like
in France. The first let's learnabout Charles Ramo and welcome, Charles.
Welcome. Thank you very much tohave me tonight. Thank you very much
for being here. I truly appreciateit, Charles. I always ask every
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special forces from whatever country. We'veinterviewed, special forces from Alia, from
the UK, a lot from America. That's where I'm at easier. Let
me ask you this, what motivatedyou to get into special Forces. It's
a long story, I think ifyou have to spend all the time all
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night to explain about that. Butfirst of all, I want to tell
you guys that English is not mymother tongue, so I may have some
some issue explaining stuff in English.I will try my best. Yeah,
no problem. So why I joinedthe French Special Forces. It's just experience,
you know, being in a missionin Africa and seeing those big guys
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landing on a helicopter, dressed uplike like like contractors, you know,
with the weird glasses, with awith a big muscle. You're like,
this is the ship, this isthe good work to do. So yeah,
that's how I I I started tobe interested in special Force. Yeah,
any of you were any in yourfamily military? Oh yeah, I
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had my grandpa who used to beinga military. My my my great grandfather
died in a in a First WorldWar, my great great grandfather. And
I have an uncle who was pilot, you know, jet pilot and a
mechanic. He started by mechanic andbecoming jet pilot in France. And I
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have some cousins in the military.So for me just you know, actually
I didn't I didn't plan to besoldier at the at the beginning, but
my my, my childhood was trainedto become a soldier. That's when my
my my my parents raised me,not being a soldier, but being like
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living like a normal life, atough life. My dad teach us everything
about about life, like how tolive in in every kind of situation.
So, you know, being themilitary for me was just the end of
my training was interesting. So theytrained you like you lived a kind of
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like a really disciplined life in yourchildhood. Then yeah, yeah, my
dad was very, very disciplined person. He was handicapped guy, raising six
kids. But his life was verystrict. You know, I've never seen
my dad drunk, never, never, So his life is like he needed
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to be strayed on everything saying andhe kept his words. When he said
something, he do it. Sothat's how I was raised up. And
uh, life in Madagascar back backthen was really hard because it was under
the communist regime, which is verydifferent from other country communist country. But
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also oh it's a it's a verydisciplined life. Okay, now let me
ask you this. So you grewup in Madagascar or halftime inc. I
grew up in Madagascar. I grewup in Madagascar and see them twenty and
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then you when you were able toget how did you get into the French
special Forces that you were able todo that without being a French citizen?
Then yeah, yeah, my momis French, so yeah, I'm French
there. Yeah, okay, mymother is a part of these French who
came in Madagascar and never left,you know, my family. So I
grew up really as a malagast person. I speak fluent the dialects and languages
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here, but I had also mymy French culture during my my chilehood.
So when I end up in France, I was a little bit shocked about
the the community where I lived,but I dubbed myself really quick. Yeah,
well, France is different all overthe place, right, I'm not
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sure how how many places you wentto France? Did you ever go to
Paris? Of course? Yeah?Yeah, how'd you like? That is
the place where you you land whenyou come back from mission. So most
of the time I went to theParis. Oh interesting, let's start.
Let's start off there when you wentNow you spent straight to the French military
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or did you actually go to Madagascarmilitary? Which one did you start?
Or do you even do any kindof military and Madagascar or none at all?
No? No, no, didn'tdo anything military in Madagascar. I
just start by being in the ForeignLegion. So I started my career in
the Foreign Legion and I didn't spenda lot of time there because after my
boot camp, I have to tostop my contract for family's issue. I
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have my brother he was in Comma, So the Foreign Legion do not give
you opportunity to visit your family beforeyou get your real h pipper dumb done
properly. So they refuse me toto to see my brother, so I
just break my contract. Well suredidn't make them very happy, but I
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can understand why you did that,that's for sure. Yeah, it's very
important. Let me ask you.Let me ask you this, Charles.
Then tell us a little bit aboutI know you can't share everything about Special
Forces training. We know that's usualto keep it secret. I know I've
talked to green Berets down here andit's the same thing. But tell us
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a little bit about anything that.Did you find it difficult? How about
that? Did you find it difficultand challenging? The training for Special Forces?
Okay, so you know the SpecialForce training out of the selection,
the selection is real rough, youknow, because they need to splitch people,
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like to separate those who want todo something and those who don't want
to get hurt at all. Right, so you have different tests and different
way to do that. But thenonce you join the Special Forces, you
have a training really hard but atthe same time really technique, you know,
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so they will never make you sometry to to give you something to
do if you can do it.So that's something really important to tell kids.
It's not because you're going in aSpecial Forces you're gonna date more or
they're gonna do something stupid about you. You know you are you are your
future weapon. You are a futureoperator that they're gonna use to do like
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special missions. So the one youto be in a good shape and to
be very stable. And of coursethey need smart people. So basically,
when you meet Special Force gay,ninety percent of time there's a very smart
person, but they really do notknow that they're smart. That's actually an
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interesting way I'm saying that because everybodyI've ever interviewed whose Special Forces has been
extremely intelligent. Yeah, they havealways something different from people like they.
When you are in the team,there's always somebody who knows something to do.
Let me tell you something. Ihave a team. We almost everybody
speaks English. I have a guywho spoke Arah who speaks Arab speaking Spanish,
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German, of course, French,Italian. I mean when we go
somewhere, we don't need translators.It's important. So it's really important,
it's really important. I don't know, I don't know about how it's said
over there in France or Madagascar,but I know here when I've talked to
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Forces, one of the things thatthey think is the most one of the
most important parts of any kind ofmission is working with the indigenous people of
that area and being able to Yeah. Yeah, so this is one of
my my most skills I think Ihad when I was in Special Forces,
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when I traveled in the country.Because my experience in Madagascar, I have
a huge view hope people, especiallypeople from uh I don't like to say
to use the word indigenous because it'sreally really complicated words. I'm really about
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my person, but you know,I would call people the people from the
country. That's what I use,you know. So my advantage is like
I have a really easy feeling andtalking with the local people. And because
I was really different from all myteammates. There's some people a special meeting
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Redmond in Emission. Interesting. Yeah, And I'll get back to that later
on when we talk about some ofyour whatever. You can share about some
of your missions or stories and seehow that worked for you. But before
we get to that, I wantedto ask you this quick question. Again.
I'm not familiar very much with theFrench Special Forces. Everybody in Europe.
It seems like everybody in special forcesis usually pretty tight lip. They
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don't say anything, so it's reallybeen hard to get people. But yeah,
let me ask you this. Doyou think that training the special forces
training also is very important for mindset? That was one of the things they're
looking for people who are mentally tough. Did you see that kind of training
going on too? Yeah? Yeah. During the training, they test you
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all the time, so you arein a constant test. And when people
can do it, the just quedyou know, to a lot of people
quit. Oh yeah, there's enoughquod quiting. How how long is the
training? It's different. So theFrench Special Forces, especially in my unit,
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have different ways to get in thespecial forces. So you have the
civilian part where people from the civiliancivilian life joined the military, so they
have a different processes. And thenyou have military guys who already in the
military, so they can be fromthe the army and they come to do
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the Special Force test, especially forArmy Special Force because I was in the
Army Special Force all right. Andthen you have UH for soldiers, we
have the officer UH training and thenwe have the en SE training, which
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is different. So my training wasabout one year and a half almost,
Yeah, what a year and ahalf? Yeah, before you go you
operate. Yeah, yeah, soI was I'm just gonna just for the
audience sake, so they know,I'm assuming you're doing all kinds of different
types of training. You're coming outof helicopters, you're going underwater, You're
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being exposed to really cold weather.You're practicing shooting what they call here CQB
close quarter pattles and something. Okay, do a lot of that stuff.
Yes, sir, Where do youso? I don't know if you can
tell us where, but you doyou have Do you have a special place
did you guys go to Is ita special like mountain area or anywhere like
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that or so we are based inthe Sulfur Frience. So it's a very
very good place to train because wehave the ocean, we have lakes,
we have river, we have mountainsin the small area. So the training
was a wrong on the town andwe are lucky because it's a seitadel,
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you know. Wow. So wehave a very cool place to work because
every day you go to work,you're getting in a citadel you know,
and actually it was a jail beforeduring the Middle Age, I think,
and my unit I have one ofthe best facilities where you can train a
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person without leaving the citadel. Youcan do shooting, you can do part
shooting, you can do helicopter,you can do sniping, you can do
secub, you can do close protectiontraining inside the citadel. So basically we
have a lot of training going oninside. That's a big citadel. You
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can even blow doors, like wecan blow until forty gram of explosive inside,
so all day long you have boomboom people get there. It's that's
very cool. I know my familylikes to go to Nice to visit their
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grandmaw. So yeah, the southof South Francis I wasn't the complete opposite.
Oh the other side. Yeah yeah, near Yers. Oh you're over
there. Okay, got it gotvery nice. So okay, so that's
an interesting place to train. That'snot a bad place to train, not
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bad at all. What did youlike the most of the training. Did
you like the helicopter, the CQBexplosives. What was your favorite part?
My favorite part is uh shooting secoh shooting, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
definitely Interesting. Can you now doyou remember the very first time you
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got deployed for a mission? Hyeah, that was back in two thousand
and two. You know, therewe were deployed, but I wasn't Special
Force yet. So you want toask as a special force guy. Uh,
yeah, what's the first time wegot deployed of special forces? Oh?
My first diplomat at a special forcewas in uh in the Balkans,
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you know, uh coast, Somy un first one. No, no,
no, it's not my favorite,but I went my first one.
That was my first one, butthat was I want to protect the head
of the metal issue a general forcestarts. So my unit is specialized in
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close protection. So we protect ourVIPs or politicians or some some people working
for the government when they go overseasin a war zone. We have a
special union to do that and Iwas part of it. Interesting, Now,
do you remember the first time youever got into combat? My first
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you mean my my my gunfight?Yeah, your first gunfight. I know
you were in there. Yeah,you know the first time I really be
in a gun fight, like beingin a war zone was in Afghanistan and
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uh, when I went to Syriain Afghanistan and Syria. Yeah, we
also we get a lot of diplomatin Africa, you know, where we
do special mission. But sometimes youdo mission, you hear just two gun
shots, we got shot and thejob is done. Oh that's around,
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that's at the end of it.What did you think about the very first
time you get into a gun Thereis a huge there is a huge amount
of time where you prepare a missionand sometimes you don't need even to to
engage people. But it's that's that'swhy you are. You are special for
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What did you think about the firsttime you were in a gunfight? Were
you like, this is what Iwanted to do? What am I doing
here? What were you thinking?Yeah, that's what I was saying,
what I'm doing here? Especially wherewhen you do mission where we have zero
super who can come in in afew towns, you are like, what
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the hell I'm doing here? Butalso you have all your friends around you,
so you were just there because ofyour friends. You don't care about
the other things. When you're inthose kind of spot, you are more
Yeah, I don't worry about that. All the politics are not the bullshit.
You don't care about it. Andmost of the time. What they're
saying on the TV is just afluid. Yeah, that's in every country.
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Yeah, yeah, TV is abunch of nonsense. I don't know
in regards to your to your missions, did you have air support as well
sometimes or was it just yeah oryou did have air support? Yeah,
yeah, we had a lot ofair support. So basically the Special Force
when you when you want to domission, you have preparation and then like
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some countries, you have the theyhave a code for the mission. So
I don't want to say the code. I'll just tell you example today you're
gonna say D G one or DT one, D D two, d
D three, So it's one.If it's one, you have no no,
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no percent of gun fight. Youknow, when you start to have
two, it's like we're sure we'regonna have a gunfight on the ground.
Ah. And when you have tobe example, that's a that's kind of
example in the mission. Uh thereis a specific word for that, but
I want I won't say that.Uh. So basically, some people spend
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all the life in Special Forces anddon't have one gun fight even once.
Really, yes, sir, soare you I don't know how familiar how
familiar you are with US Special Forces. But you know, like for instance,
we talked earlier about Delta. Deltaalways gets in the gunfights. I
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mean we we we have people gettinga gunfight. You have gunfights, but
it's not what people think about thegunfight. Most of the time. When
you have a huge gun fight,that means something went wrong, you know.
So basically, when you're gonna you'regoing to clean the house, you're
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gonna have a gun fight. Butit's it's like more, it's like being
in a in a situation where youhave how we how we call this,
You have doctors and you have asurgery, and doctors and surgeon don't work
the same way. So especially firstguys're gonna do a job. You don't
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even need to shoot. Sometimes sometimesthere is only one person's gonna shoot in
the team and the job is done. Or if something goes wrong, you
have a hundred people coming up andyou have a huge gun fight. But
I'm telling you something with my experience, it's good to be in a gunfight.
It's it's a lot of adournally,but you don't want to be in
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a gunfight all the long. Remindsme I don't. I'm sure you've heard
a black Hawk down in the Battleof Mogadishu. Yeah, these things.
Can you see that this kind ofmission you can turn really easy, like
the guy in the the Marcus Laturalguy with his team, you know,
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the navicial guy. Oh yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, yeah
yeah, so you when you seethat this mission. If I was in
that mission, I would I wouldshoot the kid, the the the the
the the the young guy who hurtthe goods because I've read the book about
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anti mac now and now had thesame problem. And they didn't shoot the
person. So I understand why whylargely didn't shoot the kid because you have
maybe kids, you have a nephew, and it's really important to be to
follow your your instincts, you know. But I think I want I won't
let them go. I will shootthem and bury them and then yeah,
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that's probably what we'll do. Yeah. I'm not rety that this that right.
I'm not saying they're doing anything wrong, all right, But that day
the team leader thought that was thegood way is just to let these people
believe in and then they just facedthe consequences. I actually interviewed Andy mcnaw
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that's that's interesting that you mentioned him. Yeah. Yeah, that's a tough
situation, man. Yeah, butthat's the thing, right, Charles,
That's the thing. The thing uniqueabout special Forces is that you guys have
to think quickly. You have tosolve problems fast, really quick, really
quick. Yeah. So so sometimeswe are doing today we are in a
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mission hunting bad guys, and tomorrownight we are in an embassy doing those
potations. So your brain, yourbrain need to switch from being in an
operator in a helicopter landing on inthe middle of nowhere and being in a
uh in a suit getting a ladyfrom from a place to another place.
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And it's funny because people have noidea who you are, what you have
been through. That's a that's avery interesting point. So you're having to
walk somebody who has no clue whoyou are as a Special Forces person.
At the same time, you probablyhad a gun fight a day before.
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Man, that's crazy. You know, it's funny because I remember the I've
never been in a crazy like crazygunfight. I've been I've been in a
gunfight, but it's more I haveI had the advantage I will Let's let's
say that m hm. Anytime anytimeyou were really I controlled the good situation,
so it was easier anytime you werereally in a scary situation where you
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thought you weren't sure what was goingto happen, if you're gonna get out.
Yeah, I've been three four timesin a very bad situation. Oh
really, yes, sir. Idon't know if you can share any one
of those or are they just toopersonal? Oh I can't share one of
those. It was I'm not goingto talk about the country, but it
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was just the morning I was doingmy qurefe time because we have we are
split in two teams, so oneof the team went in mission and I
was the quick correction forces for theteam in mission. So my team,
my teammate was was engaged by atactical in the house okay, and three
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of the three guys were down,not killed, but they were really bad
injury. The vehicle was completely thedoor was opened away, you know,
was crazy. It was crazy.The door was blown off or something.
Yeah, because the guard shooting thedoor and nobody nobody was in the car.
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And so I got a phone call. Was I was in the gym,
you know, pumping irons and Igot a phone call like you need
to go right now because you haveyou have a serious situation going on.
So I went in the in theposition and with my teammates, so you're
like six people. And when Iend up in the in the in the
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zone, we prepared the the madethe vac and everything. So the other
team was made a vac of theinjured guy and then I get a I
get order I have to come backto the position. So it was very
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difficult because I was with another team, another unit. The guy didn't want
to go. I didn't want togo. No, no, the guy
told me in the ice, hesaid it was hot down there, man,
we're not going back there. ButI get the order to go back
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there. So I was like,who want to come? And six people
resident him. We're coming with you, man. So even six people was
not enough because we had to switchcars and and you need to have more
people come in with us because it'slike no man's la. So I was
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I was talking with the guy whowant to come with me? I said,
you guys should were gonna go backthere, and they're like, hey,
let's go back there. We didn'twant to let that the position get
took it talk him by by badguys. Okay. So I was staying
there trying to figure out how I'mgonna do it, and three vehicle show
up, three vehicle toyota. Isaw six. Guy came in out,
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Hey, what's up man? Youknow speaking British? There was twenty two
sizes guy. They're like, oh, I heard the we heard the news
on the on the radio when wecame here to help you guys, So
what is the plane? So thatwas the team leader who's talking to me,
but he didn't tell me it wasthe team leader. Okay, And
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I really I really appreciated bridge people. Were they the twenty two essays?
Because very very very very good people. Okay, really appreciate them. So
the guy told me, you youtake the lead, we just follow you.
So I took these guys in myin my position where I need to
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go, and it's like a hugevalley and the village. Okay. So
I talked to the team leader.I said, I'm gonna bring my team
there. Can you do like aah like to support us until we hit
the position? So he started toshoot mortar. And this is the cool
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thing about Special Force because we getoff from the car. We prepare all
the explosives and he said, dowe want to shoot? I said,
I've never shoot mortar ready. Hesaid, just to show you, he
explained to me how to shoot murder. Of course, I'm not the guy
who does the all the setting,but I just shoot the mortar, which
is in the regular army. Ifyou have to do that, we have
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to go through a crazy training legyou know what I mean. And this
told me. He said, oh, let's do the air support with with
the mortar. So we start toshoot. They start to shoot mortar,
maybe one hundred and fifty rounds going, and it grows every They shoot every
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thirty second, I think because theflying time was enough to do that.
So while they're shooting, I crossedthe valley and end up in the house.
So now we we are in thehouse and they join us right after
maybe one hour, and the firsttwo hours were we were there, we
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just tacticals, calm and you startto have a gunfight with these guys,
but we just clean everything with oursupport. That was that was, that
was the main thing, because theseguys were really smart. So what they're
doing is they they open up ahouse. All right, The go inside
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the open the ceiling, so theroof don't have there is a hole on
the roof. Okay, yeah,so they shoot from inside the house,
so you can't see any ah,anytime you can see anything. You just
heard the first and then we can'tto and we know that after thirty second
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it's gonna land somewhere in our position. So these motherfuckers were shooting at us
like twenty or forty mortar and everytime we have to go from the roof
and coming down coming down, youknow. So every time the mortar come,
we go down and we have togo back because you need to see
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where the shooting is from. Butthat day we saw where it's from,
so we dropped. We called bB fifty two I think that they were
or are you called the the Ftwenty two twenty two? Yeah, raptor
it's a raptor. Yeah, Ithink we have a airth supportose a raptor
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like for all day longmen, andit starts from eleven to the next day,
but it's like ten minutes. Andso the funny thing about that is
I got another story about that.So we spent like one day, like
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almost one day and a half inthat position, and we did our job
and we came back. So itwas a nice, nice meeting with the
SIS. The first time I metSI S people. Yeah, and one
of my dream when I read andlike, oh, I was someday I'm
gonna see these guys. And Imade these guys in the film. And
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when we went home, they cameback. The team leader came back and
he brought a whiskey single them outwith the with the SI sign and everything,
you know, like beautiful whiskey bottle. And you show up in my
in my h Q. Where didyou drink? Sorry, did you drink
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as well? No? No,no, they brain the bottle. We
don't drink admission, We don't drinkit. No no, no, no,
no no no no, that's whatyou want to give it as a
gift. Oh but but but doyou drink alcohol? Cause you said I
think you said your dad didn't drinkalcohol or did he drink too? He
just never got drunk? Who me? Yeah you said your dad didn't drink
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alcohol. No no, no,my dad did drink alcohol. My dad
is not okay, But you dodrink alcohol. Yeah, I drink alcohol
like everybody you know. I drinksometime, but I'm not. I'm not
a guy who have a problem ifI don't drink. Do you like the
whiskey? Oh? So my storywith the whiskey was like, the guys
show up, the tim leaders showup with the six whiskey and my officer
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that they said, oh, thisis a good gift for for you the
unit, so you can bring itback to the unit and give it to
the to the head of the unit. I'm like and she's like, sorry,
this is not for you, thisis for Remond, who were the
guy we went to mission and everybody'slike, what's going on? And he's
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like, I want to see theteam leader who come with me last time.
So I went. I came outand talked to him like, hey
man, his name was George.Hey George. And he's like, hey
everyone, I had I had agood time with you guys. I'm very
happy I work with the French Specialfortune. We have a gift for you.
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So he gave me the photo.I still have it still. Yeah,
yeah, don't I don't want todrink? Are we drinking? When
my one of my kids get marriedand have simple that they need to be
a good friend of mine now haveyou met anybody else? You worked the
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green Berets too in cag right,Yeah, yeah, so the the Greenberry
training we we worked with them inAfghanistan. How was that for you?
It was great. I met greatpeople, good friends. We're still friend
until today. You know, Istill talk with these guys. It's almost
about twelve years now. But thereis this brotherhood between the soldiers. Even
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though we are friends through American Wedon't care about how politics role. We're
just soldiers. We're just school betweeneach other, you know what I mean.
Yeah. So, and the storyabout that is one of the Greenberrys
I went to see in America.I went in Oregon. So one of
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the guys was he was our medicand he when he came back in America,
he studied to be doctor and hebecame a doctor and he ran a
hospital near in Oregon. I forgotthe name of the town, but I
did a right trick with my familyand I went to see him. And
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he's like, he's like a coolguys. I have a beer, you
know, not very big. Helooks like Native American, a little bit
like or a little bit like Mexican, you know, mixed. I'm sure
he's have these roots somewhere there.But the funny thing is everybody there didn't
know that he done was a hero. He's so simple. So you know,
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that's interesting you mentioned that because Ithink that sometimes I have that problem
when I bring on to the showgreen Berets or Navy seals. I think
they're too humble to share stories.Yeah, they don't want to share these
stories. Sometimes they don't. Theyfeel like it's, oh, it's not
a big deal. It's not abig deal. Yeah it's not a big
yeah, sure, but it isa big deal. I mean my heart,
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my heart was racing listening to yourstory. Oh, I mean,
it's amazing what you guys do comparedto what you know. There's a lot
of people, you know this onthe internet that think they're tough, and
they type a lot of things andthey say a lot of things, but
they haven't done anything. Yeah.Oh, I think I think that's the
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part of the culture. I mean, before people like us, people will
say we are Some of my friendsthink that I'm I'm crazy sharing my experience.
But the world turn today, youknow, there're more what today.
I mean I said, some ofmy friends think that I'm crazy sharing my
experience, sharing experience, but it'sthe same time it allowed me to to
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be in peace with myself. Ohthat's interesting, you know because in many
missions, I feel like I didn'tdo the job. So I feel really
really guilty on some situation, youknow. So I don't talk about people
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about what I've been doing and everybody. But sometimes I talk with people and
I tell them, you know,when I talk with my kids, sometimes
the grown up you know, theyask me why I'm sad, sometimes because
I went to I want. I'mstill having my PTSD. I got a
PTSD, you know, and she'sreally really hard. And my case,
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I see somebody every week. Italk to somebody every week, somebody from
France. I really appreciate that she'shelping me. But be able to talk
and be able to share your experience, it's really important for me. You
don't you don't need to tell allthe details or what do you think about
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the stuff, But you can tellstories to people. Don't don't need to
like, just don't like. Butwhat do you what do you tell people?
It's a very important message. Ithink a lot. And we'll talk
more about your transition out of themilitary, because I think a lot of
soldiers have a hard time with that. Yeah, it's a very different world.
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I mean it sounds like your worldis really similar to a lot of
the other special Forces. Very fast, a lot of actions. It's like
the train, sir, It's likethere's a train going on. You jump
in the train and for all theyears you want the special Forces, the
train go fast, and once youget out, you are dumb. You're
over. Yeah, that's hard.That's hard to get adjusted to. Yay,
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and and you're forgot people forget it. Just you're just number. I
was going to ask you that I'vehad other special Forces from Britain, from
Australia, and they tell me theydon't have they don't see that support that
America gives their special forces or theirmilitary. Does France do the same or
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they don't do very much of thateither. No, they don't do much
either. And it needs to changebecause right now I'm having really hard time
even though like all my medical treatmentpay myself. I don't have any help,
you know, really, so Ispent about two hundred bucks a month
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to treat myself, but I paywith my money, I pocket money.
So it's really tough sometimes but Ican't give up because of my family.
So I always tell myself, thisis my struggle. I will struggle until
I day, I think, becauseI don't think you can cure the things,
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but you can. You can controlit in a different ways, you
know. So right now when Ihave my when the stuff come up,
you know, my my sleeping orI'm really nervous or I'm really I feel
really stressed or unsecured, I tryto handle myself in my in my way,
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and it started to pay us.But I wish the military would pay
me my my treatment, leg mymy my doctor, all the things.
But they don't. That's amazing.Left the military, it was over.
They don't pay you anything at allafter anything, after you're done. They
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don't pay your retirement nothing. Idon't know. I have my return.
I got your retirement. Okay,yeah, but but but like I tried
to get there is a some associationin France where the fight for your right
to get some money from what youget damaged from. Yeah, and I
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apply for that things. But becauseI was in Madagascar at the time that
the letter comes to Managaustar, ittakes six months. So basically they tell
you if you don't answer after onemonth, we just delayed everything. So
that's how how might happened. Ireceived all the letters like six months or
eight months after that, especially withit, and and I have nothing from
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the military, rhythm, nothing,just just my pension. So I pay
all my bill with my medical bill, with my pension. And that's tough
news. That's tough news. Hopefullythat will change. And for the other
soldiers, I hope, I hopewe're gonna change. And we need to
change this because these guys give theiron trend life for the nation and for
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to protect everybody. And I don'tgo into politics. I don't go through
the politics. What the politician does, it's not my business. But we
just need to respect those soldiers.That's it. Absolutely, You're right,
they're they're giving a lot up andthey should have given a lot back.
I mean, I complain about thisthere too. Well. I definitely admire
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and respect you for sharing what youjust shared and for your service as well.
Even though I'm not French, Ithank you for your service, for
doing what you were doing. Youwill come, sir, because I know
we do have common enemies, sowe have to be united on those.
Let me ask you this. Anyfunny stories during your time. I always
hear something funny going on, andthere's always somebody who does some kind of
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joke or prank sometime along. SpecialForces, you guys seem to be I
have a funny drug. So youknow, all the all the Special Forces
guys with the good mission, wetried to be in a good ship,
like go in a gym every day. Our goal is to go back home
feet like strong, you know whatI mean. So in the team we
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have, I wasn't in that team, but it's another team. So their
officer he take prutty. You know. So for six months, the guy
is puttin into chocolate. He's thinkinghis checker. He said, this person
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is weird, but it's it's reallygood. So he's taking both. Well,
I was a trucking chocolate. Hewas drinking chocolate. Six was getting
fun. He can't get in shape, and it's like, motherfucker, what's
going on? And after four monthshe realized that you have been drinking chocolate.
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He was pissed off. Like thisthe kind of things that Special for
the guys does, right, Ohman, that's bad. An another story.
We you know, we drove thosefour by four our vehicle for our
training in France. So we hadthree vehicles driving in the highway and I
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was driving one of the vehicles.No, no, no, I was
not driving. I was a patpassenger. Our vehicle have radio, have
satellites, we have we have speakers, the car car can speaks near you
everything. So we were driving onthe highway and there is a guy driving
his girlfriend, beautiful blonde girl,and the guys start to look at me,
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and I was looking at her,his girlfriend, because she was beautiful,
you know, but I didn't doanything wrong. Just watching it.
I told my friend, oh,she's really pretty, and he's like,
fuck you. He's doing that tome, like what girl is doing.
And he started to dread next tous and getting nervous. And you were
driving three vehicle separated, and I'mlike, let's give him a lesson,
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guys, because this guy think he'sfucking top. So I started to run
the serenge, you know. Theguy started to freak up because he's like
these guys are cops or something likethat. So I told him follow us.
So he followed us, and thethree vehicle was one was in front,
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one was behind, and the thirdone was the left so you couldn't
run away. And I told oneof my teammates, I said, let's
take this card to what you wantto bring them. It's like our training
today, and let's give him alisten. So we stopped in the middle
of nowhere and there's a school notfar from me, right, and I
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get up from the car and like, good morning, sir, and they
got like, oh, good morning, officer. I said, I'm officer.
I said, oh, good door, good morning from down because from
dark is like a national guard,Like I'm not darn. He's like,
good morning you were whoever? Areyou? Just the kind of guy that
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you should never mess with. AndI was dressed up like simplon closed.
I have a big jacket and Ihad my can, my MP and I
get off my m for just inthe front of the guy right, so
he was looking at me. Hewas freaking up. And all my friends
on the radio said, my mom, stop that ship man. You cannot
have trouble with the poli. Isaid, no, worry about it.
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I'm gonna take care of it.I'm the boss, but I'm gonna take
her of it. So I toldthe guy, said, why you were
you were so rude with us.I didn't do anything. I said,
your girlfriend is beautiful, look ather, and you are doing stupid things
and you think you're tough. Oh, I'm sorry, it's mystery. I'm
sorry, officer, right. Ijust my my driving lessons is almost over.
I have only two points left becausein France you can lose your points
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if you drive too fast or youyou you cross a line, red line,
you know. Oh yeahah, Sohe was scared shitless because on his
driving lessons you don't have enough pointsanymore. I'm like, I'm not gonna
take your points. But I said, you are lucky. Your girlfriend is
beautiful. So I let you gotoday, but next time be careful because
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you're fucking shoot your car. Andone of my friends on the radio on
the speakers like more and let's leave. They just leaving them. Okay,
you're gonna live. You're lucky.My friend's lucky. Look calling me,
so we lift. It's crazy,this is crazy. I think this guy
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was never again. No, Idon't think he will. By the way,
folks, we're talking again to Frenchretired French sa s Charles Ramon.
You can find out on Instagram atRodman jar head it's r O D J
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to Cafe Dot Bar, Colorado.It's got a lot of counts but really
cool stuff. Charles. I know, we got a couple of minutes left,
and I just wanted to thank youagain so much for taking the time
out. Any movies that motivated youto get into the military, or any
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move means that you think today thatyou like. Every time I ask the
Green Berets, they always say GreenBeret with John Wayne, or they'll say
Rambo. Anything for you, Ohthat was that? And Schwartz Snigger the
Terminator. I'm a big fun ofSchutz Snigger and and and Sotis tell them
(49:21):
it was kid. So it's likeour they weren't glad, but because they
were fighting a bunch of die it'sjust sitting crazy, you know. So
everybody loves loves Rumbo and uh andthe Shrutz Nigger. Let me tell you
about this in the last couple ofminutes. Tell us a little bit about
what is Vuki Bay tour operators.Okay, so booky Bay means you are
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beautiful. Vookie is belly belliful.Oh okay, yeah, and Bay's a
lot so you are very beliful.You know, it's a really easy word
for everybody around the world that wepicked that name because everybody can say Bookibe.
You know, either you are Japanese, Chinese, French, everybody just
(50:07):
the accent changed. But it's areally easy word. And what I'm doing
here, I try to give peoplethe best of my tongue. I'm living
in a small tongue or Calledfordia,and in the area of five. We
have legs, we have ocean.You can serve here, best surf spot,
(50:29):
you have montage, you have legs, have river, we have waterfall.
You can't do quads here. Youcan do buggies, you can do
uh kayaks, pado surf, youcan do some parading, you know.
Oh wow, I can do alot. Yeah you can. You can
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do a lot of things here.And this town is very beautiful. I
call it the Malas California. It'slike California, but better the for you.
So I just start my tour andCobbins Cam so we just stopped working
for two years, but I hopeit's gonna start soon. So my tour
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can give you can make you visitMadagasta, especially in my area, with
a special forced guy who can makesure that you're gonna be safe everywhere you
go. Okay, So I planthe tree for the people from the capital
to my town and I take careof everything. So people just pay me
up front and they have all theirholidays taking care of so people can work
(51:39):
out in the morning with me ifthey want to. Sometimes people come and
learn how to shoot, you know, and I just teach people how too
maney plate gun. Sometimes people that. Yeah, and people come they do
cost fit at me in the morning, and some people just hand out go
(51:59):
serve with me, visiting, goingdoing quads, bikes, motorbikes, you
know. So if you want tovisit Madagasta and especially in my tone,
head ucab dot com and you're gonnahave Rudman Drahead taking all around bookabay dot
com. Folks. Again, it'sv o k y underscore b. You
can also see that channel on YouTube, like I was mentioning earlier, you
(52:22):
can see how beautiful it is.Really cool stuff. Do you do any
CQB training over there now, No, I abtoually. I go overseas for
my training. I still go trainingoverseas. Yeah. So if you take
on my Instagram, I used towork with some folks to go before,
but we with the COVID, westop working together and they're doing their business
(52:44):
and I'm starting something else. Yeah, I got it. And right now
I'm just waiting for the border tobe open because Madagasta is still posed COVID.
It's a whole big different mess.Ask you one more question. In
the US, we have, youknow, the green Berets, and then
you have the Delta that comes outof the Green Berets. Do you have
anything similar in France like Delta Yeah? Yeah, so my unit is like
(53:07):
Delta Force. Yeah. Oh yourunit was like Delta Force. Yeah.
So you have the Covenant of theGreenberry and then we have the my unit.
What's it called? Can we canwe know that or now? So
it's called first R P R MA but the it's called French s A
(53:29):
S. It's not it doesn't standfrom UH Special Earth Service, but it's
stemmed from UH stick Option Special StickAction Special. Yeah. Interesting, So
that means a group of people whodo special things stick action special. Wow,
(53:49):
that's fascinating. I never even heardof that. Is it? Is
it? Is that how it's translatedinto English? Or is that how it's
actually called, or that's what it'scalled in French? But yeah, I
think in English itselmost something. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't sound as it
was created from My need was creditfrom the British Essays back in nineteen forty
forty four. Yeah, that's whereI got the funny feeling when I saw
(54:12):
the Says things. I know,I learned that from the Australians. They
got theirs as well from there.Yeah, so we had to get the
seventh grade color. Well, Charles, I could keep you here all night,
but I know it's about nine o'clockover there, nine fifteen. It's
already late. He's about ten hoursahead of me, folks, So I'm
going to let him call it atnight. But I would love to bring
(54:34):
it back and continue our conversation,maybe when we have more time and we
can continue to talk about stories andmore about Madagascar. I also think it
might be kind of fun. Idon't know if you're willing to do it,
and I'll ask you. I'll keepit a surprise for my listeners.
But thank you so much, Charlesagain for doing this. I truly appreciate
it. Thank you very much forhaving me. And I thought my English
(54:59):
was an off clear and and anduh and good for you guys, and
uh we we we love America,you know, one of my favorite country.
My kids, my kids are American. I'm the only friends in the
house. So just just keep thisfights and in one end up tomorrow,
(55:21):
you know. So just we needjust to respect of our soldiers, give
more more credit to the soldiers,all the soldiers, not only special for
the guy. Everybody working for thegovernment, everybody trying to help, you
know, from from medics to soldiersto policemen, everybody. I just want
(55:42):
to thank to everybody and keep itup because we're still fighting bad, bad
things all day long. The samething to you. I wanted to say
thank you as well for your serviceover there. Again, we're all fighting
that common enemy. No matter ifyou're from France or Italy, you're Sweden,
doesn't really matter. Thank you somuch, Charles. Thank you everyone
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for listening. Make sure to share, subscribe, and hit that like button.
Go check out Rodman jar Head onInstagram. Also check out who who
Kee. He says it was easyfor everybody, Vooki Bae, Vooki Baye,
v O k Y, Underscore veE and Cafe Dot Bar, Colorado.
Thanks for listening, everybody,
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