June 2, 2025 • 32 mins
This week on Horror Movie Monday, Joe and Rob dive into the gritty, atmospheric world of Angel Heart, the 1987 supernatural noir thriller starring Mickey Rourke and Robert De Niro.
We start with the trailer — what we expected, the vibes it gave off, and how it set us up for a film that turned out way darker than anticipated.
We break down the eerie, tension-filled journey of private investigator Harry Angel, talk about the film’s shadowy New Orleans setting, and compare our early theories with how the story actually unraveled. And of course, we talk about that ending — the big twist that redefined everything leading up to it. If you love dark thrillers with a supernatural edge, this one’s for you.
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We start with the trailer — what we expected, the vibes it gave off, and how it set us up for a film that turned out way darker than anticipated.
We break down the eerie, tension-filled journey of private investigator Harry Angel, talk about the film’s shadowy New Orleans setting, and compare our early theories with how the story actually unraveled. And of course, we talk about that ending — the big twist that redefined everything leading up to it. If you love dark thrillers with a supernatural edge, this one’s for you.
Full spoilers ahead! New episodes every Monday — subscribe and stay creepy!
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/tales-trails-and-taverns--6437578/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Do the intro. This is your baby, man.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Okay, well, I'm so used to you fucking doing that.
The killers were fucking demented.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Your paralyzed from the neck down because I didn't have
any duct tape or rope.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And then he sticks the guy's head and the mic awave.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Somebody tried to mess with his daughter and dad killed everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
If I'm putting the same shoes, I'm probably doing the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, I wasn't gonna watch the radio one.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I'm that's saying a lot considering that he ended up
getting the film band in the fucking New.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Cag fucking diabolical. Back for another horror movie Monday, and
this week we did I know this is one of
your favorite movies. I know you've talked about this bunch
of times. I haven't. I had not seen it up
(01:03):
until we did the review on it. So this week
we did Angel Heart on nineteen eighty seven neo noir
psychological horror.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Directed by the late great Alan Parker.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
YEP, starring Mickey Rourke, Yes and Robert de Niro, Lisa Benet,
Charlotte Rampling. Okay, so I know that you've watched this movie.
I can't even I'm sure you can't even count how
many times you watched this movie, So I'm not going
to ask you if you saw the trailer.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Well, I've seen it well over a hundred times. Probably
a joke.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, So before I watched the movie, I watched the
trailer and from what I could so from just going
by what I what I saw in the trailer before
I saw the movie, it looked like it. It didn't
look too dark in the trailer, which is funny because
you get into it later, but it didn't look very
It didn't look too dark. It had some symbolism, some
(02:10):
some religious symbolisms of Christianity, symbolism I could tell right
off the bat. It kind of it kind of gave
that like kind of gave the vibe of like the
Ninth Gate and.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Uh seven, good comparison the Ninth Gate, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Kind of kind of had that Ninth kind of felt
like it would be like the Ninth Gate, or it
would be like or Constantine or there was another one
that I was thinking of. Seven. You know that kind
of vibe. That's what I got from the trailer itself.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Because the movie is very fast paced.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Like like you just said that you have that Ridnick music.
Do you know what I mean, it's going the whole movie.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, so it kind of it kind of shows that
up tempo, you know, kind of shows a brighter side
of the movie in the trailer. Yeah. And so the
movie itself nineteen eighty seven, like You said, directed by
Alan Parker, screenplay by Alan Parker, based on the nineteen
(03:22):
seventy eight novel Falling Angel YEP features stars Mickey Rourke.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
As at Lisa Bennet was only nineteen years old in
that movie.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah. What really threw me off is, like is seeing
Mickey Rourke from nineteen eighty seven and from the films
that I've seen him in recently, like The Expendables and
Iron Man two, like, he looks nothing like he used to.
I really I had to stop and go, okay, is
that actually Mickey Rourke? Like?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Is this is why when we talked about this during
a Halloween.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Ups, I give an example, I said, there's eighties prime
Mickey Rourke, and then there's just Mickey Rourke now, who's
like on Scavoyds and has had like thirty facelifts.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I was gonna say, it's it's definitely yeah, it's definitely
some plastic surgery going out with his face. Now his
face looks completely different. I mean, if you really look
at him just right, you can kind of still see
the similarity. But man, it's hard. It's hard to see.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
It's seventy two and he's trying to beat Father Time
and luck.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
With that race.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, it's just it never works with that.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Well not only that too.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Fun fact, and I'm not going to go too much
into this.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
People forget Mickey Rourke was a very established youth boxer.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
When he was a kid.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, I thought i'd remember him being a boxer. Yeah,
he won.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Under eighteen Golden Gloves in New York, New York City twice.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So he had a hiatus in the.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Nineties where he actually boxed professionally, and he has eight
professional boxing fights under his belt, six wins, two losses.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And five knockouts. Nice, so he's actually you could call
him a legitimate professional boxer.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Well, yeah, sounds like it.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, but I think I think he probably had a
lot of surgeries done to his face after a couple
of beatings.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
He probably did, being honest, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So, so, basically, says angel Hart, there was some issue
with the rating when the movie came out. Oh yeah,
in order to avoid an X rating, they had to
cut ten seconds of some footage of some scene in there.
I assume it's just, you know, I know what scene.
I'm pretty sure I know what scenes they're talking about.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
There's a lot of rumors to this movie, but I
want to get to the nuts and bolts, and then
at this time I.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Can get to the rumors.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, I gotcha.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
There's a lot of of like, uh like sidetrack fandom
shit that I would I would like to get in.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Into it this time.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Okay, Yeah, we'll get into that after once we once
we break out of the no spoilers part of the review,
we'll bust into uh whatever we can there.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So it looks like you kind of underperformed in the
North American box office. It only grows seventeen point two
million during the theatrical run. But His Sense been regarded
as underappreciated and influential.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Very much so, and it's a cult classic.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
It did very well in like VHS sales at the time,
so like it didn't do good at the box office,
but it did very well.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
And when you know, post production vhs.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, do you think it had something to do with
that putting the ten seconds of footage back for the
X rating? It did say it was an unrated version
was later the footage were put back in for the
home videos.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I mean that that could be part of it. The
movie got a lot of negative buzz because, like I said,
Lisa Bennett was only nineteen in that film. Yeah, and
she was so the movies in eighty seven that was
at the height of like The Cosby Show. Okay, so
(07:36):
I know that this is to think in twenty twenty five,
it's ridiculous to think about The Cosby Show because we
all know what Bill Cosby did and why he went
to jail. But she was really under a lot of
scrutiny for being in that movie, the nudity and the
sex scenes, and she took a lot of backlash from
(08:00):
in that film.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Dude, no kidding, because you go from The Cosby's to that.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, that's a that's a big job gas, you know
what I mean. Yeah, it definitely was. Yeah. So so
getting towards the movie, my impression of the movie, it
was a it was a dark, you know, neo noir,
psychological thriller. It did have a lot of dark scenes.
I mean, the first scene was a lot darker, was
(08:29):
darker than the trailer was at any point of the
trailer was you know what I mean? And it went
it got right into the the blood and bodies was
almost right away, and it definitely had that. It definitely
kept up with those feels of like the Ninth Gate.
I also thought of Devil's Advocate, you know, when I
(08:50):
was watching this one. Yes, that's a that's a kind
of a good comparison to that. So all those if
you like those kind of movies, like if you like
the Ninth Gate, if you like Devil's Advocate, if you
liked Seven, that type of stuff, Constantine, this is that
type of movie. This is definitely one of those ones
you want to watch.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Yes, So.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Getting into the getting into the uh, the plot of
the movie. At this point, ladies and gentlemen, this is
spoilers from here on out, we're gonna be talking about
what happens in the movie. So if you want to go,
if you want to go see it and then come
back and see what we think about it, see if
it matches up. Great, If you want to just hear
(09:36):
about it right now, just keep on listening. We're gonna
go exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Here's your warning.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's it. Last morning. So yeah, man, So what do
you want to say about the movie?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Oh? God, what could I not say about this movie?
I can't believe Nicky Rock's best performance ever.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Mickey ro really well in this movie.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I mean, I was.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I went through a big Mickey Rock phase when I
was in high school. Like I saw Rumblefish and it
like blew my mind yep, and then I saw the
pulp of Granted Greenwich Village and then I saw this,
So yeah, I was. I was a big Mickey Rock
fan back in high school when I was just you know,
watching a lot of fucking movies. Yeah, so yeah, I
(10:26):
mean the premise of the movie is It's It takes
place in nineteen fifty five in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Mickey Rock's character his name's Harold Angel, and he's.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
A private private investigator, private detective. And he gets a
call from a lawyer who's representing a client. So he
he goes and meets this this lawyer and this client
who happened to be in a church in Harlem.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And he meets the lawyer and the client.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
The lawyer's need name is Winesapp and the client is
who's played by Robert de Niro, name is Lewis Cipher.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah. I like how they he mispronounced it at first.
He was like Cipher was that for it? And he's like,
it's Cipher. And I like how they said special appearance
by Robert de Niro, even though he was in a
fair amount of the movie.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Oh that there's more to that if we have time.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Oh yeah, okay, I was. I was kind of wondering
about that because I was like, it says special appearance,
and he is in this whole movie. He is one
of his he is one of the main characters.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
There's something to that if if I have time. So
Robert de Niro is you get the.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Impression he's he's like a you know, a wealthy businessman,
and he pretty much lays a case on Mickey Rock's
character Harold Dangel, saying that he's trying to track down
a client named Johnny Favorite. Johnny Favorite is a guy.
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He doesn't explain why exactly he wants to.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Track him down.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
He's very big with it and says, you know, I
offered services to Johnny Favorite twelve years ago.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
He was a corota, meaning he was a singer, a musician.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
He said, Johnny ended up going to the war and
when he was overseas, he was badly injured, came home
with adnesia and was rendered a vegetable.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
But my contract was not fulfilled. So Harry Angel is like,
so what do you want me? He's like, all I
want you to do is find out whether he's dead
or alive. I just want you to find him.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
And so he's like okay, and you know, you know,
Harry Angel's like, well, this is fucking weird.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So but he ends up shaking hands.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
And I don't know if you caught this in the movie,
So like d Niro's fingernails were long, they were, yeah,
and every scene you see him later on in the movie,
his fingernails get longer and longer.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And longer, and you notice that, Yeah, I know, I
noticed how long they were even at the beginning.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
And they shake hands and de Niro kind of cynically says,
you know, it's a funny feeling. I feel like we've
met before, you know. But what what what's funny is
is when de Niro's explaining the what like what he
wants Harry Angel to do. Harry Angel explains his experience
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in the war also, and he says, hey, you know,
you know, I was in and I got hit in
the bombing rate and got a little fucked up and
they sent me home, which is very similar to Johnny
Favorites experience in the war, you know what I mean.
So so anyway, Harold Angel like he starts looking into
(14:14):
this Johnny Favorite guy.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
He ends up going to a hospital out in upstate
New York and Poughkeepsie.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
That was the last because they said he used an
alias called Johnny Leebling, remember that. So he goes and
checks up on this Johnny Leebling who's aka Johnny Favorite.
He talks to the nurse into showing him the chart,
and the chart says that he was discharged on December
(14:49):
thirty first, nineteen forty three.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
But that's weird because you know, like he first of all,
he's like, huh, they discharged him. But then he also
mentions that the hand like the writing of the discharge.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Note was in ballpoint and they didn't have ballpoint back
in nineteen.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Forty Great, yeah, somebody falsify the record.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So yeah, he finds the doctor. He finds out the.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Name of the doctor who signed off on the script
on the dismissal tracks the doctor down. The doctor is
an older gentleman who.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Is addicted to morphine.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Is a morphine at it, breaks into the guy's house,
tries to get information out of him. The guy said,
you know, some some businessman, mister Edward Kelly, paid him
twenty five thousand dollars to you know, have him.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Released out of the hospital under.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
The conditions to state that he was still remained as
a patient. Right, So Harold Angels shaking him down. The
doctor really just can't remember it was twelve years ago.
So he's he.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Locks him in his bedroom and he says, I'm gonna
go grab a cheeseburger and you know, maybe a couple
hours cold turkey will refreshing. Memory. Comes back to the hospital.
He comes back to.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
The doctor's house, and when he gets back there, the
doctor shot.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Himself in the head.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
That's what he presumes.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
That's what he.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Presumes, because the doctor's laying in his bed with his
brain's blown out.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And he's got a picture of what what I'm guessing
was maybe his wife at one point. It's an old
black and white picture of a young looking woman.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, so now Harold's what the fuck? He goes back,
meets Cipher again at a restaurant, tells him, Hey, you
know this doctor that I chased down about the missing
case of person.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You know, he ended up blowing his brains.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Out, and you know I could be on the hook
for murder here about blah blah blah. That's when de
Niro's character offers him, Mister Cipher offers him five thousand
dollars for the case, so he entices Johnny to stay,
I mean Harold to stay on the case for five
thousand dollars, which was a lot of goddamn money in
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nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Right, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
You want to take it from there, Joe, because I
don't want to ramble too much.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, from there, I know he talked to what his
girlfriend or something who had some information about Johnny going
to possibly to New Orleans. I don't really. Yeah, it's
somehow he got from he got from New York to
New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Well, what happened was he tracked down.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Uh So he has a girl like a mistress who
works for Time magazine, and she gets him some information
on Johnny. Favorite finds out that, uh, two of his
old bandmates are still alive.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
One is called a drummer named Spider Silver.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Who's in an old folks home in New York City,
So he goes and visits him at the old folks home.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And then the other one, the other one is a
guitar player named Too Sweet, who.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
You know, after the war he left, He left New
York City and went back down to New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
So it's at that point.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
And and and then all he also finds out that
any Favorite had a mistress in New York City called
Madam Zara who had a palm reading shop in Coney
Island during.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
The war, Right, So he tried down somebody who was
who worked down there right exactly, and found out that
she was also in New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
She she had already packed up and moved down to
New Orleans. So at this point Harold Angel has to
move his investigation down to.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
New Orleans so he can follow up with this Too.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Sweet Madam Zara, whose real name is Margaret kruz Mark.
And then he also finds out that he had another
lover called Evangeline Proud Flow.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah, so there's a lot of moving parts in this movie.
So he gets down in New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
He tracks down Margaret who's Mark, Madam Zara. He pretends
like he's there to get a palm reading, and the
lady Madame Zara Maura, who's Mark. When she asks him
his birthday, she gives. Now, he gives not his birthday,
but gives Johnny Favorites birthday, which is February fourteenth, nineteen eighteen.
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So the girl totally shuts down. He's Harry, starts asking
questions about tru Love. She doesn't want to talk about him.
She pretty much kicks him out of the house. She
says to him, you know, Johnny chu loves dead to me,
and if he isn't dead, if he isn't dead, he's
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dead to me, or something like that.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Then he goes to like a jazz bar and checks down.
The too Sweet approaches him starts.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Quelling him about Johnny fake. Nobody wants to talk about
this guy.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Like. You notice that that's a common theme in the movie.
At any time he gets mentioned. It's like mentioning the plague.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, he's trying all different types of tactics to get
people to talk to talk about him.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, Like it's very It's like pulling teeth to get
like you just said, so you get anybody to talk
about this Johnny Hamrick, so tooth Sweet kind of you
don't want.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
To talk about him either. And then he follows tooth
Sweet to a I guess you could call it a
voodoo rittule once the club closes, Yeah, and then follows
him back to his hotel. Uh, they get into some
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sort of a scruffle, but you know, Harry.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Comes out on top because he's an old man, and uh,
you know, he pretty much just says, you know, hey,
you know, I ain't going nowhere, and he kind of
like leaves his his his rights, his uh the name
of the hotel and his phone number that he can
be reached at and stuffs it in his mouth and
goes away.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Right, And then the next day finds out that the
guy was dead.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Finds out the guy was dead the cop.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
In his hotel room when he wakes up. Yeah, So
he keeps going on. He keeps investigating different people, like Epiphany, proud.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Of Evangeline because Evangeline died.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
It seems as though everybody he talks to keeps ended
up dead. Yes, as he goes on, and.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Well, there's a lot of dream sequences and flashbacks in
this movie. So, like remember that the flashback sequences of
when they're in Times Square and that all the soldiers
are there and the girls and like, right, they sneak.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Up on a soldier and they just like tap him
on his shoulder, And there's a lot of that.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
There's a lot of sequences where he's just like he's
walking around covered in blood, and there's that there's that
ominous figure in black that you never like see keep.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Saying that he keeps seeing.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, he keeps getting into fights for some reason.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
People keep get in the fights.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I mean he gets his hands sliced open really good
at one point, he gets attacked by a dog at
another point.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, So as it goes on in the movie, it
becomes more and more clear that there is a connection
between Harry and Johnny. And then yes, you finally get
to the point where you figure out that what is
it that epiphany Proud Foot is Johnny's daughter, Johnny's daughter,
and then her son is Johnny's grandson, and then you
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eventually get to the point where Harry finds out Harry
Angel finds out that he is actually Johnny, and he
forgot and he completely forgot he was the one. He
got messed up in the war, came back with shell shock,
couldn't remember anything, got got his half his face blown off,
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or he got really messed up by a shell and
had surgery or something. His face looked completely different. So
he had no idea who he was. Nobody knew who
he was if he wasn't, if he didn't say his
name was Johnny, nobody had any idea who he was after.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
That, because when he when he finally puts two and
two together and he shakes down Margaret Kruzmack's dad, who
also ends up dead after their meeting, yep, you know,
he said, the guy says, you know, uh, you know,
Johnny and Margaret tracked down a man in Times Square
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in nineteen forty three, and they took them in and
they sliced them open and made a deal with the devil,
and Johnny conjured Lucifer in the in the apartment room
and cut out this man's.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Heart and ate it while it was still beating. Yep.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
So when he hears that, he freaks out, goes back
to Margaret kruz Mark's apartment, which is now a crime
scene because she was also murdered with her heart cut out.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
And then they said something about keeping the man's dog
tags in a container or something, right yet, Yes, So.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
He goes back to the apartment, finds what looks like.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
A little like glass vase or whatever, and he smashes
it and that's when he finds the dog tags that
have December fourteenth, nineteen eighteen.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Harold Angel.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah. So he realizes that he's Johnny Favorite's favorite, and.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
He walks into the next room and it's it's by
then it's de Niro sprawled out on a couch with
a shit ask grena on his face.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
And he realizes that that Lewis Cipher is a hominym
for Lucifer Robert de Niro is actually the devil, and
that being Johnny Favorite, he owes him his soul. And
so when the cops come to when the cops finally
figure out that he's the one who's been killing everybody
and they come to collect them, they're like, you're gonna
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burn for this, Johnny or Harold or whatever. He's like,
I'm gonna burn in hell.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, He's like, I know, in hell.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Just that scene though, when he when he like smashes
the dog tags and he's like, and Danio keeps calling
him Johnny Johnny.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
He's like, my name's not Johnny, I'm erld.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah. Yeah. So in the beginning of the movie, when
he was talking, when he said his name was Lewis Cipher,
and the way he looked, he looked like, fucking uh.
He looked like one of the bad guys in the
Harry Potter movies. You know, he looked like he looked
like a devil. Essentially, he had the long fingernails. I
was like, as soon as he said that, I was like, oh,
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it's that's right, it's Lucifer. Lewis Seipher is Looseifer. Okay,
he's the devil. And then everything he's talking about how
you know, oh, Johnny, I made a I made a
deal with him, and he owes me something. You got
to find out if he's dead or alive, like, oh,
he sold his soul the devil, and the devil's looking
to collect his soul. And then when when uh, Mickey
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Rourke goes up and shakes his hand and de Niro says,
you look really familiar to his it ruined the movie
like it ruined the ending for me. It didn't ruin
the movie. The movie was still great, but it ruined
the surprise twist at the end. I was like, oh,
he's Johnny. Like, fucking Rourke is Johnny. Like I fucking
knew it. As soon as as soon as Daniro was like,
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you look familiar. Have I seen you before? You look
really familiar? I was like, Oh, he's fucking Johnny.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
He was like, like we've met before.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, He's like, I feel like we've met before. I'm like, oh,
fucking rourk is Johnny. That's the twist.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Oh, essentially, this.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I did not. I didn't put two and two together
that he was killing the people and he was just
doing it under a false like he wasn't remembering that
I that I didn't see coming. I thought somebody was
following him around and killed I thought the devil was
following him around and killing people behind him, which I
guess essentially was it was the devil in him. You know.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Well, he said, he says, you killed them all carefully
guided by me, of course.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
So but he's like, but you were dunes from the
moment you split that boy in half, Johnny. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah. And then the very end when he's talking about
how oh, who is it? Epiphany Proudfoot is his daughter?
And then the boy comes out. And then the boy
comes out and he's got the yellow eyes like the
devil did. I'm like, oh my god, this is It's ridiculous.
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It's it's a it's a good movie. Like it's a
good movie. It's a good eighties like it's a good
noir movie. You know, it's a it's definitely a good
psychological horror. But you know, be ready to have those
moments when you're like, oh what the fuck, God, damn it.
I knew this. I could see that coming, when you
realize that the dark, the dark, black shrouded figure that
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he keeps seeing is actually the devil always there.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I mean, there's a lot of uh yes, because there's a.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Lot of symbolism in it. There's a lot of stuff
that's there's a lot of stuff that once you start
looking for it becomes painfully obvious, like like the.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Harlem Preacher, who was clearly in it for the money,
had his own like little satanic voodoo shrine, right, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, Like there's a lot of like good versus evil.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
And like somebody, somebody come into the church and killed himself,
like when he first went there. Yeah, like they were
they were mopping up. They're in a church and they're
mopping blood off a wall, like it's his first walking
into this church where the devil is is part of
you know. Yeah, but anyways, good movie. I thought, I
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thought it was a good movie. It definitely, uh, you know,
in in that genre. I'll definitely fuck with it. It's good.
I know it's one of your favorites.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Oh, I love I love that movie. I just never
get tired of it.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, the whole.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
You know, I've actually stole that that whole. Like he's like,
how terrible is wisdom when it brings no profit to
the wise? Yeah, Like that's just such a fucking stone
cold quote. So a fun fact about why de Niro
I'll just throw this in for a quick minute special
guests appearance. DeNiro and Mickey Rourke got into a raging
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fistfight on that. Yeah, Danniro was questioning a lot of
Alan Parker's directing techniques. Yeah, and Alan Parker, you know,
he did Rumblefish. He put out the Polpa Granwich Village.
So like Mickey Mura had a lot of respect to
Alan Parker and when he's when DeNiro started shipping on
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Alan Parker, they went at it bro and allegedly they
had a fistfight. They kept a professional but still to
this day they hate each other. Interesting, it was one
of those movies where it was a set where they
were like they were professional during the takes, but in between, they.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Fucking hated each other's guts on that set.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Nice like Dania almost didn't even make the credits because
of that.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
That's why they put them in as a special guest.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
All right, Well, thank you guys for listening. It's been
to the horror movie one day.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Angel Heart, thank you for go see it.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Thank you eighty seven, See it later later.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
M m.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
M hmmmm
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Mm hmm
Do the intro. This is your baby, man.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Okay, well, I'm so used to you fucking doing that.
The killers were fucking demented.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Your paralyzed from the neck down because I didn't have
any duct tape or rope.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And then he sticks the guy's head and the mic awave.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Somebody tried to mess with his daughter and dad killed everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
If I'm putting the same shoes, I'm probably doing the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, I wasn't gonna watch the radio one.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I'm that's saying a lot considering that he ended up
getting the film band in the fucking New.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Cag fucking diabolical. Back for another horror movie Monday, and
this week we did I know this is one of
your favorite movies. I know you've talked about this bunch
of times. I haven't. I had not seen it up
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until we did the review on it. So this week
we did Angel Heart on nineteen eighty seven neo noir
psychological horror.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Directed by the late great Alan Parker.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
YEP, starring Mickey Rourke, Yes and Robert de Niro, Lisa Benet,
Charlotte Rampling. Okay, so I know that you've watched this movie.
I can't even I'm sure you can't even count how
many times you watched this movie, So I'm not going
to ask you if you saw the trailer.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Well, I've seen it well over a hundred times. Probably
a joke.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, So before I watched the movie, I watched the
trailer and from what I could so from just going
by what I what I saw in the trailer before
I saw the movie, it looked like it. It didn't
look too dark in the trailer, which is funny because
you get into it later, but it didn't look very
It didn't look too dark. It had some symbolism, some
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some religious symbolisms of Christianity, symbolism I could tell right
off the bat. It kind of it kind of gave
that like kind of gave the vibe of like the
Ninth Gate and.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Uh seven, good comparison the Ninth Gate, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Kind of kind of had that Ninth kind of felt
like it would be like the Ninth Gate, or it
would be like or Constantine or there was another one
that I was thinking of. Seven. You know that kind
of vibe. That's what I got from the trailer itself.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Because the movie is very fast paced.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Like like you just said that you have that Ridnick music.
Do you know what I mean, it's going the whole movie.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, so it kind of it kind of shows that
up tempo, you know, kind of shows a brighter side
of the movie in the trailer. Yeah. And so the
movie itself nineteen eighty seven, like You said, directed by
Alan Parker, screenplay by Alan Parker, based on the nineteen
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seventy eight novel Falling Angel YEP features stars Mickey Rourke.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
As at Lisa Bennet was only nineteen years old in
that movie.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah. What really threw me off is, like is seeing
Mickey Rourke from nineteen eighty seven and from the films
that I've seen him in recently, like The Expendables and
Iron Man two, like, he looks nothing like he used to.
I really I had to stop and go, okay, is
that actually Mickey Rourke? Like?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Is this is why when we talked about this during
a Halloween.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Ups, I give an example, I said, there's eighties prime
Mickey Rourke, and then there's just Mickey Rourke now, who's
like on Scavoyds and has had like thirty facelifts.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I was gonna say, it's it's definitely yeah, it's definitely
some plastic surgery going out with his face. Now his
face looks completely different. I mean, if you really look
at him just right, you can kind of still see
the similarity. But man, it's hard. It's hard to see.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
It's seventy two and he's trying to beat Father Time
and luck.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
With that race.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, it's just it never works with that.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Well not only that too.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Fun fact, and I'm not going to go too much
into this.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
People forget Mickey Rourke was a very established youth boxer.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
When he was a kid.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, I thought i'd remember him being a boxer. Yeah,
he won.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Under eighteen Golden Gloves in New York, New York City twice.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So he had a hiatus in the.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Nineties where he actually boxed professionally, and he has eight
professional boxing fights under his belt, six wins, two losses.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And five knockouts. Nice, so he's actually you could call
him a legitimate professional boxer.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Well, yeah, sounds like it.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, but I think I think he probably had a
lot of surgeries done to his face after a couple
of beatings.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
He probably did, being honest, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So, so, basically, says angel Hart, there was some issue
with the rating when the movie came out. Oh yeah,
in order to avoid an X rating, they had to
cut ten seconds of some footage of some scene in there.
I assume it's just, you know, I know what scene.
I'm pretty sure I know what scenes they're talking about.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
There's a lot of rumors to this movie, but I
want to get to the nuts and bolts, and then
at this time I.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Can get to the rumors.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, I gotcha.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
There's a lot of of like, uh like sidetrack fandom
shit that I would I would like to get in.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Into it this time.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Okay, Yeah, we'll get into that after once we once
we break out of the no spoilers part of the review,
we'll bust into uh whatever we can there.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So it looks like you kind of underperformed in the
North American box office. It only grows seventeen point two
million during the theatrical run. But His Sense been regarded
as underappreciated and influential.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Very much so, and it's a cult classic.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
It did very well in like VHS sales at the time,
so like it didn't do good at the box office,
but it did very well.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
And when you know, post production vhs.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, do you think it had something to do with
that putting the ten seconds of footage back for the
X rating? It did say it was an unrated version
was later the footage were put back in for the
home videos.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I mean that that could be part of it. The
movie got a lot of negative buzz because, like I said,
Lisa Bennett was only nineteen in that film. Yeah, and
she was so the movies in eighty seven that was
at the height of like The Cosby Show. Okay, so
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I know that this is to think in twenty twenty five,
it's ridiculous to think about The Cosby Show because we
all know what Bill Cosby did and why he went
to jail. But she was really under a lot of
scrutiny for being in that movie, the nudity and the
sex scenes, and she took a lot of backlash from
(08:00):
in that film.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Dude, no kidding, because you go from The Cosby's to that.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, that's a that's a big job gas, you know
what I mean. Yeah, it definitely was. Yeah. So so
getting towards the movie, my impression of the movie, it
was a it was a dark, you know, neo noir,
psychological thriller. It did have a lot of dark scenes.
I mean, the first scene was a lot darker, was
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darker than the trailer was at any point of the
trailer was you know what I mean? And it went
it got right into the the blood and bodies was
almost right away, and it definitely had that. It definitely
kept up with those feels of like the Ninth Gate.
I also thought of Devil's Advocate, you know, when I
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was watching this one. Yes, that's a that's a kind
of a good comparison to that. So all those if
you like those kind of movies, like if you like
the Ninth Gate, if you like Devil's Advocate, if you
liked Seven, that type of stuff, Constantine, this is that
type of movie. This is definitely one of those ones
you want to watch.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Yes, So.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Getting into the getting into the uh, the plot of
the movie. At this point, ladies and gentlemen, this is
spoilers from here on out, we're gonna be talking about
what happens in the movie. So if you want to go,
if you want to go see it and then come
back and see what we think about it, see if
it matches up. Great, If you want to just hear
(09:36):
about it right now, just keep on listening. We're gonna
go exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Here's your warning.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's it. Last morning. So yeah, man, So what do
you want to say about the movie?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Oh? God, what could I not say about this movie?
I can't believe Nicky Rock's best performance ever.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Mickey ro really well in this movie.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I mean, I was.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I went through a big Mickey Rock phase when I
was in high school. Like I saw Rumblefish and it
like blew my mind yep, and then I saw the
pulp of Granted Greenwich Village and then I saw this,
So yeah, I was. I was a big Mickey Rock
fan back in high school when I was just you know,
watching a lot of fucking movies. Yeah, so yeah, I
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mean the premise of the movie is It's It takes
place in nineteen fifty five in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Mickey Rock's character his name's Harold Angel, and he's.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
A private private investigator, private detective. And he gets a
call from a lawyer who's representing a client. So he
he goes and meets this this lawyer and this client
who happened to be in a church in Harlem.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And he meets the lawyer and the client.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
The lawyer's need name is Winesapp and the client is
who's played by Robert de Niro, name is Lewis Cipher.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah. I like how they he mispronounced it at first.
He was like Cipher was that for it? And he's like,
it's Cipher. And I like how they said special appearance
by Robert de Niro, even though he was in a
fair amount of the movie.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Oh that there's more to that if we have time.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Oh yeah, okay, I was. I was kind of wondering
about that because I was like, it says special appearance,
and he is in this whole movie. He is one
of his he is one of the main characters.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
There's something to that if if I have time. So
Robert de Niro is you get the.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Impression he's he's like a you know, a wealthy businessman,
and he pretty much lays a case on Mickey Rock's
character Harold Dangel, saying that he's trying to track down
a client named Johnny Favorite. Johnny Favorite is a guy.
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He doesn't explain why exactly he wants to.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Track him down.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
He's very big with it and says, you know, I
offered services to Johnny Favorite twelve years ago.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
He was a corota, meaning he was a singer, a musician.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
He said, Johnny ended up going to the war and
when he was overseas, he was badly injured, came home
with adnesia and was rendered a vegetable.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
But my contract was not fulfilled. So Harry Angel is like,
so what do you want me? He's like, all I
want you to do is find out whether he's dead
or alive. I just want you to find him.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
And so he's like okay, and you know, you know,
Harry Angel's like, well, this is fucking weird.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So but he ends up shaking hands.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
And I don't know if you caught this in the movie,
So like d Niro's fingernails were long, they were, yeah,
and every scene you see him later on in the movie,
his fingernails get longer and longer.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And longer, and you notice that, Yeah, I know, I
noticed how long they were even at the beginning.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
And they shake hands and de Niro kind of cynically says,
you know, it's a funny feeling. I feel like we've
met before, you know. But what what what's funny is
is when de Niro's explaining the what like what he
wants Harry Angel to do. Harry Angel explains his experience
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in the war also, and he says, hey, you know,
you know, I was in and I got hit in
the bombing rate and got a little fucked up and
they sent me home, which is very similar to Johnny
Favorites experience in the war, you know what I mean.
So so anyway, Harold Angel like he starts looking into
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this Johnny Favorite guy.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
He ends up going to a hospital out in upstate
New York and Poughkeepsie.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
That was the last because they said he used an
alias called Johnny Leebling, remember that. So he goes and
checks up on this Johnny Leebling who's aka Johnny Favorite.
He talks to the nurse into showing him the chart,
and the chart says that he was discharged on December
(14:49):
thirty first, nineteen forty three.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
But that's weird because you know, like he first of all,
he's like, huh, they discharged him. But then he also
mentions that the hand like the writing of the discharge.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Note was in ballpoint and they didn't have ballpoint back
in nineteen.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Forty Great, yeah, somebody falsify the record.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So yeah, he finds the doctor. He finds out the.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Name of the doctor who signed off on the script
on the dismissal tracks the doctor down. The doctor is
an older gentleman who.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Is addicted to morphine.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Is a morphine at it, breaks into the guy's house,
tries to get information out of him. The guy said,
you know, some some businessman, mister Edward Kelly, paid him
twenty five thousand dollars to you know, have him.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Released out of the hospital under.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
The conditions to state that he was still remained as
a patient. Right, So Harold Angels shaking him down. The
doctor really just can't remember it was twelve years ago.
So he's he.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Locks him in his bedroom and he says, I'm gonna
go grab a cheeseburger and you know, maybe a couple
hours cold turkey will refreshing. Memory. Comes back to the hospital.
He comes back to.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
The doctor's house, and when he gets back there, the
doctor shot.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Himself in the head.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
That's what he presumes.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
That's what he.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Presumes, because the doctor's laying in his bed with his
brain's blown out.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And he's got a picture of what what I'm guessing
was maybe his wife at one point. It's an old
black and white picture of a young looking woman.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, so now Harold's what the fuck? He goes back,
meets Cipher again at a restaurant, tells him, Hey, you
know this doctor that I chased down about the missing
case of person.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You know, he ended up blowing his brains.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Out, and you know I could be on the hook
for murder here about blah blah blah. That's when de
Niro's character offers him, Mister Cipher offers him five thousand
dollars for the case, so he entices Johnny to stay,
I mean Harold to stay on the case for five
thousand dollars, which was a lot of goddamn money in
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nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Right, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
You want to take it from there, Joe, because I
don't want to ramble too much.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, from there, I know he talked to what his
girlfriend or something who had some information about Johnny going
to possibly to New Orleans. I don't really. Yeah, it's
somehow he got from he got from New York to
New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Well, what happened was he tracked down.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Uh So he has a girl like a mistress who
works for Time magazine, and she gets him some information
on Johnny. Favorite finds out that, uh, two of his
old bandmates are still alive.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
One is called a drummer named Spider Silver.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Who's in an old folks home in New York City,
So he goes and visits him at the old folks home.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And then the other one, the other one is a
guitar player named Too Sweet, who.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
You know, after the war he left, He left New
York City and went back down to New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
So it's at that point.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
And and and then all he also finds out that
any Favorite had a mistress in New York City called
Madam Zara who had a palm reading shop in Coney
Island during.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
The war, Right, So he tried down somebody who was
who worked down there right exactly, and found out that
she was also in New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
She she had already packed up and moved down to
New Orleans. So at this point Harold Angel has to
move his investigation down to.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
New Orleans so he can follow up with this Too.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Sweet Madam Zara, whose real name is Margaret kruz Mark.
And then he also finds out that he had another
lover called Evangeline Proud Flow.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah, so there's a lot of moving parts in this movie.
So he gets down in New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
He tracks down Margaret who's Mark, Madam Zara. He pretends
like he's there to get a palm reading, and the
lady Madame Zara Maura, who's Mark. When she asks him
his birthday, she gives. Now, he gives not his birthday,
but gives Johnny Favorites birthday, which is February fourteenth, nineteen eighteen.
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So the girl totally shuts down. He's Harry, starts asking
questions about tru Love. She doesn't want to talk about him.
She pretty much kicks him out of the house. She
says to him, you know, Johnny chu loves dead to me,
and if he isn't dead, if he isn't dead, he's
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dead to me, or something like that.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Then he goes to like a jazz bar and checks down.
The too Sweet approaches him starts.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Quelling him about Johnny fake. Nobody wants to talk about
this guy.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Like. You notice that that's a common theme in the movie.
At any time he gets mentioned. It's like mentioning the plague.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, he's trying all different types of tactics to get
people to talk to talk about him.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, Like it's very It's like pulling teeth to get
like you just said, so you get anybody to talk
about this Johnny Hamrick, so tooth Sweet kind of you
don't want.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
To talk about him either. And then he follows tooth
Sweet to a I guess you could call it a
voodoo rittule once the club closes, Yeah, and then follows
him back to his hotel. Uh, they get into some
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sort of a scruffle, but you know, Harry.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Comes out on top because he's an old man, and uh,
you know, he pretty much just says, you know, hey,
you know, I ain't going nowhere, and he kind of
like leaves his his his rights, his uh the name
of the hotel and his phone number that he can
be reached at and stuffs it in his mouth and
goes away.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Right, And then the next day finds out that the
guy was dead.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Finds out the guy was dead the cop.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
In his hotel room when he wakes up. Yeah, So
he keeps going on. He keeps investigating different people, like Epiphany, proud.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Of Evangeline because Evangeline died.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
It seems as though everybody he talks to keeps ended
up dead. Yes, as he goes on, and.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Well, there's a lot of dream sequences and flashbacks in
this movie. So, like remember that the flashback sequences of
when they're in Times Square and that all the soldiers
are there and the girls and like, right, they sneak.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Up on a soldier and they just like tap him
on his shoulder, And there's a lot of that.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
There's a lot of sequences where he's just like he's
walking around covered in blood, and there's that there's that
ominous figure in black that you never like see keep.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Saying that he keeps seeing.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, he keeps getting into fights for some reason.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
People keep get in the fights.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I mean he gets his hands sliced open really good
at one point, he gets attacked by a dog at
another point.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, So as it goes on in the movie, it
becomes more and more clear that there is a connection
between Harry and Johnny. And then yes, you finally get
to the point where you figure out that what is
it that epiphany Proud Foot is Johnny's daughter, Johnny's daughter,
and then her son is Johnny's grandson, and then you
(24:00):
eventually get to the point where Harry finds out Harry
Angel finds out that he is actually Johnny, and he
forgot and he completely forgot he was the one. He
got messed up in the war, came back with shell shock,
couldn't remember anything, got got his half his face blown off,
(24:22):
or he got really messed up by a shell and
had surgery or something. His face looked completely different. So
he had no idea who he was. Nobody knew who
he was if he wasn't, if he didn't say his
name was Johnny, nobody had any idea who he was after.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
That, because when he when he finally puts two and
two together and he shakes down Margaret Kruzmack's dad, who
also ends up dead after their meeting, yep, you know,
he said, the guy says, you know, uh, you know,
Johnny and Margaret tracked down a man in Times Square
(25:00):
in nineteen forty three, and they took them in and
they sliced them open and made a deal with the devil,
and Johnny conjured Lucifer in the in the apartment room
and cut out this man's.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Heart and ate it while it was still beating. Yep.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
So when he hears that, he freaks out, goes back
to Margaret kruz Mark's apartment, which is now a crime
scene because she was also murdered with her heart cut out.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
And then they said something about keeping the man's dog
tags in a container or something, right yet, Yes, So.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
He goes back to the apartment, finds what looks like.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
A little like glass vase or whatever, and he smashes
it and that's when he finds the dog tags that
have December fourteenth, nineteen eighteen.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Harold Angel.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah. So he realizes that he's Johnny Favorite's favorite, and.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
He walks into the next room and it's it's by
then it's de Niro sprawled out on a couch with
a shit ask grena on his face.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
And he realizes that that Lewis Cipher is a hominym
for Lucifer Robert de Niro is actually the devil, and
that being Johnny Favorite, he owes him his soul. And
so when the cops come to when the cops finally
figure out that he's the one who's been killing everybody
and they come to collect them, they're like, you're gonna
(26:28):
burn for this, Johnny or Harold or whatever. He's like,
I'm gonna burn in hell.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, He's like, I know, in hell.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Just that scene though, when he when he like smashes
the dog tags and he's like, and Danio keeps calling
him Johnny Johnny.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
He's like, my name's not Johnny, I'm erld.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah. Yeah. So in the beginning of the movie, when
he was talking, when he said his name was Lewis Cipher,
and the way he looked, he looked like, fucking uh.
He looked like one of the bad guys in the
Harry Potter movies. You know, he looked like he looked
like a devil. Essentially, he had the long fingernails. I
was like, as soon as he said that, I was like, oh,
(27:09):
it's that's right, it's Lucifer. Lewis Seipher is Looseifer. Okay,
he's the devil. And then everything he's talking about how
you know, oh, Johnny, I made a I made a
deal with him, and he owes me something. You got
to find out if he's dead or alive, like, oh,
he sold his soul the devil, and the devil's looking
to collect his soul. And then when when uh, Mickey
(27:33):
Rourke goes up and shakes his hand and de Niro says,
you look really familiar to his it ruined the movie
like it ruined the ending for me. It didn't ruin
the movie. The movie was still great, but it ruined
the surprise twist at the end. I was like, oh,
he's Johnny. Like, fucking Rourke is Johnny. Like I fucking
knew it. As soon as as soon as Daniro was like,
(27:54):
you look familiar. Have I seen you before? You look
really familiar? I was like, Oh, he's fucking Johnny.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
He was like, like we've met before.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, He's like, I feel like we've met before. I'm like, oh,
fucking rourk is Johnny. That's the twist.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Oh, essentially, this.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I did not. I didn't put two and two together
that he was killing the people and he was just
doing it under a false like he wasn't remembering that
I that I didn't see coming. I thought somebody was
following him around and killed I thought the devil was
following him around and killing people behind him, which I
guess essentially was it was the devil in him. You know.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Well, he said, he says, you killed them all carefully
guided by me, of course.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
So but he's like, but you were dunes from the
moment you split that boy in half, Johnny. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah. And then the very end when he's talking about
how oh, who is it? Epiphany Proudfoot is his daughter?
And then the boy comes out. And then the boy
comes out and he's got the yellow eyes like the
devil did. I'm like, oh my god, this is It's ridiculous.
(29:01):
It's it's a it's a good movie. Like it's a
good movie. It's a good eighties like it's a good
noir movie. You know, it's a it's definitely a good
psychological horror. But you know, be ready to have those
moments when you're like, oh what the fuck, God, damn it.
I knew this. I could see that coming, when you
realize that the dark, the dark, black shrouded figure that
(29:24):
he keeps seeing is actually the devil always there.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I mean, there's a lot of uh yes, because there's a.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Lot of symbolism in it. There's a lot of stuff
that's there's a lot of stuff that once you start
looking for it becomes painfully obvious, like like the.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Harlem Preacher, who was clearly in it for the money,
had his own like little satanic voodoo shrine, right, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, Like there's a lot of like good versus evil.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
And like somebody, somebody come into the church and killed himself,
like when he first went there. Yeah, like they were
they were mopping up. They're in a church and they're
mopping blood off a wall, like it's his first walking
into this church where the devil is is part of
you know. Yeah, but anyways, good movie. I thought, I
(30:17):
thought it was a good movie. It definitely, uh, you know,
in in that genre. I'll definitely fuck with it. It's good.
I know it's one of your favorites.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Oh, I love I love that movie. I just never
get tired of it.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, the whole.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
You know, I've actually stole that that whole. Like he's like,
how terrible is wisdom when it brings no profit to
the wise? Yeah, Like that's just such a fucking stone
cold quote. So a fun fact about why de Niro
I'll just throw this in for a quick minute special
guests appearance. DeNiro and Mickey Rourke got into a raging
(30:58):
fistfight on that. Yeah, Danniro was questioning a lot of
Alan Parker's directing techniques. Yeah, and Alan Parker, you know,
he did Rumblefish. He put out the Polpa Granwich Village.
So like Mickey Mura had a lot of respect to
Alan Parker and when he's when DeNiro started shipping on
(31:20):
Alan Parker, they went at it bro and allegedly they
had a fistfight. They kept a professional but still to
this day they hate each other. Interesting, it was one
of those movies where it was a set where they
were like they were professional during the takes, but in between, they.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Fucking hated each other's guts on that set.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Nice like Dania almost didn't even make the credits because
of that.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
That's why they put them in as a special guest.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
All right, Well, thank you guys for listening. It's been
to the horror movie one day.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Angel Heart, thank you for go see it.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Thank you eighty seven, See it later later.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
M m.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
M hmmmm
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Mm hmm
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