Challenging Pathos

Challenging Pathos

Challenging Pathos discusses functional as well as dysfunctional drug use and addiction. Listen to activists, professionals, psychonaughts, and users who live with legal and illegal drugs in their daily lives. Challenging Pathos is focused on changing hearts and minds in drug policy, harm reduction, substance use treatment, and drug user rights. We understand that statistics alone rarely change beliefs, and that stories are needed to influence systemic change. We investigate how our guests change pathos in their work. The old "The Addictive Podcast".


March 14, 2021 32 mins
Zach Rhoads joins the Challenging Pathos podcast to discuss all things "out of the box", when it comes to treating addiction. Why do we do the things we do? Why don't we follow the evidence? and What's the cost? Zach and Stanton Peele co authored the book "Outgrowing Addiction, With Common Sense Instead of Disease Therapy" which disputes the disease concept of addiction and more. You can purchase the book at...
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In this episode, we speak with Haven Wheelock from Portland, OR on the historic passing of "Measure 110" that decriminalizes personal drug possession in the state of Oregon.
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Garth Mullins, host of the astounding "Crackdown" podcast shares his perspective on drug user issues from his home in downtown Vancouver's Eastside. We discuss the recent drug policy changes with Mississippi's medical cannabis bill and decriminalization in Oregon. Garth shares his experience with how illegal syringe exchange helped keep him safe in younger years. Learn more about Garth at
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On this episode we discuss different types of advocacy and intra agency growth. Greg Huckins is a peer-support specialist working for a recovery community organization as a member of the SBIRT team in the local hospital emergency department. His role is to help guide individuals through the beginning stages of recovery. JoAnna Vance is a person in long-term recovery from substance use disorder and is the region lead for the Recover...
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November 22, 2020 64 mins
Chase Holleman, LMSW, is a person in recovery from substance use disorder who advocates for medication-assisted treatment (MAT) and works as Program Director for the syringe services program at UNC Greensboro in North Carolina. Chase is well known for his recent TedTalk, where he describes his experience in the war on drugs.
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November 22, 2020 43 mins
Alex Elswick, PhD joins the show to discuss stigma, shame, and using recreational substances in recovery from substance use disorder. Alex holds a Master’s Degree in Family Science from the University of Kentucky and is a person in long term recovery. He is a cofounder of Voices of Hope.
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September 26, 2020 57 mins
Casey Dillon is an experienced digital communicator, specializing in leveraging real-time trends and long-term strategy to develop successful advocacy and communications campaigns. She also serves as the Program Director for Advocates for Opioid Recovery, where she manages communications, media relations and grassroots advocacy efforts to break down barriers to evidence-based addiction treatment.
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September 17, 2020 68 mins
Mike Todd joins TAP today to discuss the latest advocacy efforts happening in South Carolina. Mike has worked hard to bring legitimacy to recovery housing and is an active voice for the Recovery Advocacy Project in SC. You can follow Mike at and This episode also celebrates 200 overdose reversals for Challenges Inc, a South Carolina syringe services program. Learn mo...
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September 4, 2020 74 mins
MAT advocate and harm reductionist, Riley Koyote from Athens G.A. joins The Addictive Podcast to discuss the latest progress surrounding these topics in Georgia. Riley also runs and works at, providing syringe access to Athens.
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August 1, 2020 54 mins
Founder of End It For Good, Christina Dent joins us to discuss the challenge of implementing harm reduction strategies in conservative places. She is well known for her TedX Talk in Jackson, Mississippi and other appearances in the drug policy reform movement. Learn more about her work at Support this podcast and harm reduction in South Carolina at
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July 31, 2020 59 mins
Executive Director of RecoveryATX, Jenna Sheldon joins the podcast to discuss the importance of recovery oriented language and how stigma exists even within our own recovery communities. Visit to learn more about Jenna's work. Visit to see what's happening with harm reduction in South Carolina.
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July 18, 2020 24 mins
Former White House staffer and national recovery advocate, Ryan Hampton talks about federal and state funding for recovery support services, the need for syringe services, and the future of decriminalization. Join Ryan in the fight and learn how you can make a difference at Visit to support SC syringe services.
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June 27, 2020 74 mins
Mike Malone is the Program Manager at FAVOR Greenville, a recovery community organization in Upstate, S.C. We discuss common challenges in the addiction recovery space including HIPAA, peer-support boundaries, and stigma/shame inducing habits of the treatment industry. Learn more about Mike's work at Learn about syringe services and harm reduction at Vist for high ...
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June 7, 2020 103 mins
David Johnson is a criminal justice organizer with Grassroots Leadership in Austin, TX. We discuss racial inequality during the aftermath of the killing of George Floyd and the global Covid19 pandemic. Email David at and visit Thanks to Jenna Neasbitt @RecoveryATX. Thanks to our sponsor, promo code "TAP15". Learn more about syringe e...
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Steven Slate is co author of "The Freedom Model for Addictions: Escape the Treatment and Recovery Trap" and researcher at the Baldwin Research Institute (BRI). We discuss The Freedom Model concept for treating addiction which opposes philosophies like twelve-step meetings and the disease model. The show sponsor is Use promo code TAP15 to support South Carolina's first syringe exchange, Challenges Inc. ...
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May 20, 2020 28 mins
Bill Kinkle joins us from Philadelphia, PA to discuss his journey in a health professionals monitoring program. Visit to see the full story. Contact info for Bill on Twitter: @billkinkle and email: Also check out his podcast at Health Professionals in Recovery.
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May 9, 2020 49 mins
Marc Burrows and Michael Crouch are joined via Zoom by national recovery advocate and founder of the McShin Foundation, John Shinholser. John is best known for his appearances in the independent documentary, "The Anonymous People".
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May 3, 2020 57 mins
Marc Burrows and Michael Crouch interview Kirsten Lester from Athens, GA on her experience with being incarcerated due to drug possession charges. We discuss issues with post incarceration employment, housing, and social life, as well as recovery from addiction. Todays sponsor is More info on syringe services in SC at
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October 27, 2019 79 mins
Marc Burrows and Michael Crouch interview Matt Tice and Bill Kinkle from Pathways to Housing PA in Philadelphia to hear about their progressive "housing first" program that practices harm reduction instead of abstinence. Visit to learn more. This episode is sponsored by Appalachian Standard Hemp. Visit for all your CBD products and use promo code "TAP10" at checkout. All p...
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October 6, 2019 62 mins
Marc Burrows and Michael Crouch discuss pros and cons of different views on drug use and addiction treatment after sitting down with Tim Harrington of Wide Wonder, as he passes through Greenville, S.C. on the "Throwing Stigma Under the Bus" tour.
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