Are You Too Attached To Your Pets? - Parrots Helping Veterans with P.T.S.D. - The Animal Radio® Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M celebrating the connection with our pets. This is Animal Radio,
featuring veterinarian doctor Debbie White, groomer Joey Valani, news director
Lorie Brooks, and now from the Red Barn Studios. Here
are your hosts, Halle Abrams and Judy Francis.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Oh, we love ourselves some pets here at Animal Radio.
We you know, there are family pretty much. We're crazy
about them. You look at our wallets if you have
a wallet, on our phones, even on our phones, we
have all pictures of our animals, no pictures of relatives
or anything like that. We just love them a lot.
And there's somebody that thinks that might actually be a problem.

(00:38):
Really he says, we're too attached to our pets. How
can that be possible? I know, but he's making a
big stink and we're having him on the show today.
That's coming up in our second hour. This first hour
a salute to the birds. You know, we talk cats,
we talk pot bellied pigs, we talk dogs, all kinds,
but we rarely focus on the birds. And well, you know,

(00:59):
Joey's a bird own or should I say Joey's bird
owns him. Yeah, bird dad, Yeah, yeah, Birddad, Gurnie, your bird,
who will be thirty, I think is about forty years older.
We're not really sure how old. And sometimes when you
bring Gernie and Gurnie's very vocal, she talks a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
My bird is extremely intelligent and probably probably more so
than any dog that I've ever had.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
She has, Gurnie has.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
If I had to compare the mentality to a human,
I would say between a three and.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
A five year old.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
It's not that I actually went out and put the
bird to do it, and the bird just picked up
certain things. The bird understands what I'm saying. When the
bird understands, come, the bird understands, go to your cage.
I mean, this is all things that you know. I mean,
I didn't have to work with her. She just picked
it up. And you know, she knows what she does right,

(01:55):
she knows when she does wrong. And yeah, there definitely
is a special bond going to tell you that humans
and and and birds have because I don't know, I mean,
and this just might be me, but I think that
if I ever had to get rid of her, which
I would never, it would almost be like you getting

(02:16):
a divorce or losing a mate, because I see the
interaction that we have and other people to have birds
basically the same thing. So it's it's it is a
bond that they developed with you.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
How long have you had her? Now?

Speaker 3 (02:30):
She was six? What I know best is she was
six when I when I got her.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Okay, how long? And I was nineteen when I got her?

Speaker 6 (02:39):
And now fifty three fifty three?

Speaker 2 (02:44):
What would you say the smartest thing that Gurney has
ever done? Maybe something that freaked you out.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Okay, I'm going to tell you. Maybe not the smartest thing,
but it was definitely. So a friend of mine, she
for some reason, she needs to be the one that
has to be said our attention. So she doesn't like when,
you know, when his kid's around, because usually kids, you know,
to get the set of attention. So a friend of mine,
her son, came over and at the time, I'm going

(03:11):
to say the sun was probably about four years old,
and we were in the kitchen talking. Someone was watching
TV in the little room and Gurney's usually out, and
Gurney was in the living room too, and the little
boy kept coming in saying that the bird's chasing him,
biting him. And we go in and the bird would
be standing on its cage and looking at us, and

(03:34):
it's fun and and and now Gurney doesn't bite anyone.
So and this was in early stages. And okay, so
went back and then he would come back in. So
every time we would come in, the bird would be
on the cage. So we spied, and we watched, and
the bird would wait for you to go in the
other room.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
And we watched Gernie.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Crawl down the cage and run up to him, bite
him on the shoe, and then go back on the
cage real quick.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
And we've seen her.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
The other thing is is I used to at times
when you don't want her out, we would.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
Put a lock on the cage.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
And actually, I'm sorry, Before we put the lock on
the cage, I would just latch it, and then all
of a sudden, Gurnie would be out.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
So I knew Gerny knew how to unlatch the cage
and get out.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
So I put one of those little luggage locks on it,
but I kept the key in it so I didn't
lose it with a bird learned how to turn the key,
take the lock off, and get out, you know. So yeah,
smart bird, And she and she'll never poop on on
the floor. But to be quite honest with you, if
you mess with her, she will come up in front

(04:35):
of you, squat down, and shoot you with poop. Yes,
I've we've witnessed it a few times with a friend
of mine was messing with her, and she never poops
on the floor. She don't poop on you. And she
went right on his leg and he said, oh my god,
I think she's gonna poop on and when he said it,

(04:55):
she and she didn't do it once.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
Did twice, showed him, taught him a lesson.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Yes, she does, she does. She does it when she
gets mad.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
We find it out and somebody there is a parrot sanctuary,
probably the only one of its kind locate where do
you know where it is located?

Speaker 5 (05:12):
Located in Los Angeles in La Yes, it's called Serenity Park.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Parrots. Of course, they live a long life, so they
may outlive you. Sometimes parrots end up in the sanctuary
because of that very situation. And now they're using these
parrots to help veterans with PTSD. Actually they're helping each other.
And we're going to find out a little bit about
that coming up this hour right here. On Animal Radio, Laurie,
what are you working on for this hour?

Speaker 6 (05:36):
Well, there's a new report out about some old complaints
against a big manufacturer of some different pet foods, several
different major major brands that got in some trouble. But
we're just now finding out about it thanks to the
Freedom of Information Act. I'll tell you maybe some things
you didn't want to know about your pets pet food
depending on the brand of feed.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Surprize. Really, yeah, that's on their way. Let's see which
one are we going to.

Speaker 7 (06:05):
Let's go to Lye two.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Okay, Todd, Hey, Todd, I just she didn't tell me
which one to go to? Is this Todd?

Speaker 8 (06:13):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 2 (06:13):
How are you doing good? How are you doing? Todd?

Speaker 9 (06:15):
Very good?

Speaker 8 (06:16):
I'm very good. How a mussure for doctor Nebby?

Speaker 7 (06:18):
Okay, Well, hey, I'm right here, ex On.

Speaker 8 (06:21):
I have got an African gray that allows us to
live in our house with him. Though his name is Peky.
We've had him about three years now. Bought him in
South Florida, move uptraate to North Carolina. When we first
got him, love him adorable little pet, would love to
be loved. And his head scratch and all that and

(06:42):
he's developed a bad habit of suckering you in with
his low head down and you come in and then
he bites. He bites good and hard, and we can't
get him through the nipping stage. And it's not just
a nip.

Speaker 9 (06:52):
He dropped blood.

Speaker 7 (06:53):
Yes, well, and this is a big problem. These guys
are very clever, and like you said, he's permitting you
to live in his home, so he is patterning your
behavior to that of which he desires. Now I have
to ask you, do you guys handle him as far
as he sit on your shoulder? Do you have him
out interacting or is he more a bird? You don't

(07:15):
handle a whole lot.

Speaker 8 (07:17):
He's handled a lot. I wouldn't put him on my
shoulder because I like my ear loads. But we do.
We have a little tree branch that we have on wheels.
I mean, he's part of the family. We've got many
creators in our house. We have two dogs, five cats,
euromastic and an iguanas. Okay, you're a part of our family.
He's right in the living room. He's part of everything.

(07:38):
He's super intelligent, picks up wording and sounds. I can
never tell if my phone's ringing or the front doorbells
going off because he likes to mess with us. He's
super cool and he could have such a super cool
life if he was not drying blood all the time.

Speaker 7 (07:52):
I get it. The big challenge here is that when
birds do these kind of behaviors, especially we have problem biting,
we have to really kind of back up and look
before this behavior happens. And you said that it kind
of starts where he kind of looks cute and coy
and wraps his head down and wants a little pet.
If that is what precedes most of these bite attempts,
we need to actually kind of intervene and not give

(08:15):
into that behavior he's doing. That sets up the pattern
for you to get bit. We need to try to
find something else to redirect his behavior so we don't
continue this pattern. So really it is a matter of
kind of taking control of some of the basic commands
when it comes to birds, and that is that's kind
of going back to the basics of you know, perching,

(08:35):
the up commands, the down commands, and having you be
more in control of his world rather than the other
way around. Now, if it's a matter of your fingers
are going to get destroyed, in the process and you're
going to be having cuticles bleeding and fingernails coming off
and things like that. We don't want that to happen.
So we want you to be comfortable and we want
you to feel confident as you're working with him. So

(08:58):
if you are going to be asking him to come
out of the cage or getting him up on your finger,
we want you to be doing that comfortably. If if
you can't do that, then we use a perch as
kind of a substitute. But I really when he does
that little cute, coy little thing, the last thing you
want to do is give in scratch that head. And
a lot of birds, you know, these kind of cuddling behaviors,

(09:20):
they're very much a pair bonding behavior. So that's what
birds do in the wild when they're kind of got
their mate, and that's a very sexual, a very bonding experience.
So in some cases that can actually be just a
little bit too much, and we'll see these aggressive behaviors
kind of become a displaced behavior in that in that situation,

(09:42):
So I would say back off from any kind of
cuddling and scratching with him and go back to the
basics of the perching and then much anymore.

Speaker 8 (09:52):
Because it's not the least a bloodshed. And the little
man is so intelligent that he will yell in my
tone ticky no, right before he bites me because he
knows that exact you know, he'll be around forever.

Speaker 9 (10:05):
But I'm tired of bleeding exactly.

Speaker 7 (10:08):
And you know, and you got that because they are
so smart and they understand there's a there's something that's
going to happen. This is what's going to happen. This
is what I'm going to hear afterwards. So really we
have to stop that pattern of he does that behavior,
Do not give into that. Give him something else to do.
We want to give him some other behavior, and that's
where giving the basic thing like the step up command

(10:28):
is just so important to give him something else to
do or to think about. And then also we use
food as a reward, so we really want to make
sure that, if anything, we kind of keep the food
a little bit to the side. Use food as a
treat and a reward when you're having these old training session.
So I'm not saying starve them, but sometimes it's a
great motivator. And if he doesn't have a full bowl

(10:50):
of food ready for him. He might be more primed
to work for those extra treats.

Speaker 8 (10:55):
I would like to hang out with somebody else had
an app to watch there, because that's normal or minds
out of his mind because a he will walk backwards
when he's on them, for he will plant its head
into the ground and look like a dinosaur running. I mean,
he's hilarious.

Speaker 7 (11:09):
They are great comedians, so that's the one thing. And
you know they know that he's getting your attention.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
They're smart birds. We wish you the best of luck
with that. Let us know how that turns out.

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In just a few minutes, we're gonna find out how
parrots are being used to help veterans with PTSD.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
The birds, huh, they're helping them.

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Really, it's a thing, believe it or not. Details great.

Speaker 6 (13:58):
Not everyone's a dog person, I know, but birds who
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Right?

Speaker 6 (14:02):
That's surprising.

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Details on the way in just a few minutes. What
are you working on for the bottom of this hour,
miss Brooks?

Speaker 6 (14:07):
Keep me my dogs under control. But also sometimes there
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Thank you, Hey, Audrey, how.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
You doing great?

Speaker 9 (14:53):
How are you doing good?

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Where are you todaya tson, Lovely Tucson in Arizona. You're
on with the debby.

Speaker 7 (15:01):
Hi, Hi there.

Speaker 13 (15:03):
I have probably a silly question. I have been told
that the smaller parrots have a mentality of about a
two year old and the larger ones of about a
five year old. Well, I usually I go out of
town on drive on Saturday, and I usually take my
son con your small parrot with me, and and if
I don't take her on Saturday, well she when I

(15:27):
come home, she screams at me. And it's different than
through the week if I work night from there in
the daytime, but occasionally I work in the daytime also
through the week, and when I come home if I
work in the daytime through the week, she's just thrilled
to see me and want to kiss me, and she's
all excited. But on Saturday, it's like she's met at

(15:49):
me and screams at me. Is it possible that she knows?

Speaker 8 (15:52):
Not?

Speaker 13 (15:52):
Of course she doesn't it Saturday, But is it possible
that she knows that so many days that she goes
with me and if I don't take her she's mad
at me.

Speaker 7 (16:04):
No, I'm going to clarify she's she's mad. She's behaving
this way before you leave her, or after a span
of time when you've not been with her.

Speaker 13 (16:12):
Oh, when I come home on Saturday afternoon, if I'm
not able to take her with me, okay, grab about
three hundred mouths.

Speaker 7 (16:20):
Okay, Well you know birds And this will be get
a little sticky here this conversation, because there's a lot
of people that would argue that animals have the same
feelings we do. But I would say that for definite
what she's doing is she has a pattern of learned
behavior and she may not know it's Saturday, but she
knows that she's not as happy when you're not with her,

(16:42):
and she's not with you, so she may demonstrate some
of that.

Speaker 14 (16:46):
You know.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
I don't know if I could call it pouting or
you know, you know, those type of human words. But
you know, if she doesn't have the same social stimulation,
she doesn't have the same activity or mental stimulation, you know,
she might be acting funny, and you know, does she
have feelings? Does is she telling you that she's dicked off?
That is the argument that animal behavior as pet owners
will probably bunk heads on, because you ask any pet

(17:10):
owner and they'll say that their pet feels you know,
the same feelings that we do. And I'd have to
agree on that to some point. But the big question
is does she really understand what she's doing and trying
to get even with you? I don't know about that.
That's a tough call.

Speaker 13 (17:26):
Well, she doesn't actually talk, even though she's capable of it,
But I understand her body language quite well, and I
couldn't even tell people what she wants then, and then
when she does it, they're amazed, how'd you do that?

Speaker 14 (17:39):
Well?

Speaker 13 (17:39):
I understand the and what she's wanted.

Speaker 7 (17:45):
It's just it's just like a mom and their you know,
infant child. You kind of learn what what kind of
triggers there are. And you know, to some degree, I
think she's probably working you just to make you feel bad.
But you know, the humans in the household have to
set the pattern of behavior and the rules. And you
know that's why that we are the humans.

Speaker 13 (18:07):
Well, someone said, I have a perpetual two year old
for thirty years.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Absolutely, most animals are that way. That's on the way
we look at our dog, who's pretty smart, almost a
two year old level, and that's like an eighteen year
commitment that we've made to us.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
So join us.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
But the birds, actually they last. They live for years
and years and years and years and years. How long
do parents live?

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Oh, a lot of.

Speaker 7 (18:31):
Parrots will live, you know, seventy eighty years. Sun Conyers
are a smaller parrot. And if anyone doesn't know what
they look like, they're gorgeous little they look like basically
a sunrise, a lovely orange color with lots of vibrant,
vibrant yellows and so forth, so very wonderful little birds.

Speaker 13 (18:47):
She has maybe blue, hunter, green and then the blots
of yellow.

Speaker 9 (18:52):
And orange.

Speaker 13 (18:54):
And when and I have been above her when she's flown,
and it's gorgeous to see those colors blend together as
she finds.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Oh, she sounds like an absolutely lovely parrot. There. Please
give her a big old kiss. If you do that
with parrots. I know I knew you with dogs and everything,
But if you do that, give a give a big
old kiss for all of us here at Animal Radio.

Speaker 13 (19:12):
Okay, walk home, Sugar, want and kiss me.

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Portions of today's show are a repeat from an earlier broadcast.
This is an Animal Radio News update.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
I'm Lori Brooks. Mars makes wet dog food and cat
foods under the names of Pedigree, Caesar, Whiskas, Neutro, and
Imes brands, and now some problems over the past two
years at their pet food production facility in Columbus, Ohio
are making their way into the public thanks to the

(21:31):
Freedom of Information Act. We're finding out now that, thanks
to Food Safety News dot Com, that the facility there
was actually crawling with an infestation of German cockroaches for
almost a year until July of last year. But pet
food from the plant also generated some consumer complaints about
the same time about finding hard plastic pieces in the

(21:53):
pet food, so it's good to know that a recall
of the affected foods was issued, but inspections the facility
later to check on how well they remedied the problems
found that Mars had not really completed repairs as they
had promised to do. During that inspection. Last July, investigators
from the FDA found two more problems as they were

(22:15):
doing their investigation. One of those problems having to do
with how raw ingredients were handled at the facility, and
another found that the plant had actually failed to take
the effect of measures that were needed against contamination of
pet food by pests. Creepy pests. That report specifically showed
employees at the Mars facility had reported birds, beetles, even

(22:39):
maggots in areas where raw ingredients were stored and handled.
So wouldn't you think that once these problems were found
by inspectors that companies would be just eager to fix
the problems and get a clean record again. But apparently
that is not always the case. In this report of
how Mars dealt with follow up inspections, FDA investigators reported

(23:02):
that Mars officials refusing to cooperate on a couple of
different things during the course of their inspection, including refusal
to permit any pictures to be taken, which I mean
you think if you're being investigated by the FDA, a
government agency, that they would have to submit to that.
But also Mars had refused to provide any photocopies of

(23:22):
consumer complaints to them or their pest control records. But finally,
the investigation triggered by that initial recall is now closed.
But it sometimes takes a village to get it done.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
And in a somewhat related story, Mars has released a
food and this is for real, this is not a joke. Here,
Mars has released a food that is made up of
crickets because protein for humans, no, no, no, no, for dogs,
it's a pet food. So maybe they're just trying to
work all the angles there, you know what I mean, Hey,

(23:57):
they might be free.

Speaker 7 (23:58):
Who knows.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
It's funny how a company that's that large, you would
think that they would want a pioneer this and have
the you know, the best thumb. And I know it
comes down the dollars and cents, but still it doesn't matter.
I mean, we're talking about pets now, which part of
our family. It should be no different than the other
foods that they're manufacturing. So it makes me wonder, how

(24:21):
about the food that we're.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
Eating that's coming from them? Do you know what I
should raise a red flag?

Speaker 6 (24:28):
I thought, exactly word for word what you just said verbatim.
What you know, what are we eating that we're not
hearing about? But how dare they even do that to
our pets?

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:40):
And it's too bad that they, you know, like Mars
own so many of these pet brands names, so you
think you're feeding you know, if you're feeding them Pedigree
and then you change it to another brand, it still
could be Mars and it still can be made in
horrible facilities like that. But don't get me started. Okay,
I'm sorry, Okay.

Speaker 6 (24:56):
In some cases a genetic abnormality can produce something amaze,
but it's usually a bad thing when that leads to
an unusually colored animal that's out in the wild, because
it just makes that animals stand out and become very
easy prey for another animal or for a trophy hunter.
But in the case of one Canadian lobster, rare pigmentation

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led to its reprieve from death row. This lobster was
bright orange. It came in from Nova Scotia as part
of a shipment of lobsters of the usual you know,
the kind of gray greenish brown color. But workers who
saw it at this store where it had arrived this
story usually sells about two hundred thousand lobsters a year,

(25:41):
so they've seen a lot of lobsters. They knew they
had a very rare specimen on their hand when they
saw it. Luckily, they pulled it, donated it to the
New England Aquarium in Boston, and experts at the University
of Mainz Lobster Institute, Yes there is such a thing,
said that the Daglo orange range colored lobster occurs only

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in about one of every thirty million lobsters, and this
guy was between seven and nine years old, so the
fact that he had lived that long in the wild
was actually pretty amazing itself. I'm Louri Brooks. Get more
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Speaker 17 (26:47):
Hi, Glee, Hi hel How are you good?

Speaker 2 (26:49):
How are you doing today?

Speaker 18 (26:51):
Good?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
How can we help you? At doctor Debbie's right here?

Speaker 19 (26:53):
I want yeah, Now, my boyfriend is going to try
to get my birthday. Are learning to talk, but we
cannot understand what they're trying to say. Okay, and if
you could tell me a little bit what they're trying
to say, I know they say pretty bird and that's it.
I have to put your speaker's son Okay, okkay.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
So we're trying to decipher what your birds you're trying
to say.

Speaker 19 (27:15):
Yeah, and I can't decipher it all Because this is
about the time of evening they get really talkative. Okay,
and they was just a little bit. Okay, okay, let's
talk to them. Let me see if I can get
they might. Their names are Chris and Katrina.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Chris and Katrina.

Speaker 19 (27:32):
Okay, okay, well talk to them.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Chris, Hey, Chris, Katrina, Chris and Katrina. Hello, Hello, Hello, Hm?

Speaker 19 (27:57):
They are let me.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Oh I heard him whistle?

Speaker 19 (28:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Are you showing them a picture of me?

Speaker 19 (28:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (28:08):
They really like my voice friend.

Speaker 19 (28:12):
And he can get them to go on, and they've
they've been doing this thing like they're laughing.

Speaker 14 (28:19):
Mm hmm, and we have no idea.

Speaker 19 (28:28):
Can you hear what he's saying?

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Okay, well are they watching a lot of TV?

Speaker 17 (28:33):
Are they laughing that away?

Speaker 19 (28:36):
All right?

Speaker 7 (28:36):
Well lugally, you know, as far as translating what they're
saying might be hard to do, but we know that
birds try to mimic sounds that they're in their environment, So,
especially if we're teaching a bird to talk, we try
to find sounds that are appealing to them. So you know,
there's probably something either in your voice or in your

(28:57):
boyfriend's voice, in different words that have been said that
they've heard that they will try to repeat. Now it
becomes a little challenging. I'm assuming these two birds are
together and like her too. Well, who doesn't like.

Speaker 19 (29:12):
Her first doesn't really want he will pick at her.

Speaker 7 (29:18):
That happens, you know, for birds to be good talkers.
A lot of times we have better success when a
bird is housed alone. And part of the reason is
the talking behavior is kind of a kind of a
pair behavior, so it's kind of something that birds would
do together as mates. So if we have a single
bird in a home, sometimes, you know, when we spend

(29:39):
that extra efforts to getting that bird to talk, we'll
have better success than if we have multiple birds within
one enclosure. Now, and every bird's different, some will talk
more readily, especially the boys. The boys tend to be
better talkers with cockatiels. So I don't know that I'll
be able to be the translator here, but I would
definitely look to see when you're speaking to your birds,

(30:01):
if there's certain tones that you're using, certain words that
you're saying, if you see them showing interest, moving their
mouth or starting to make sounds, keep repeating those words,
but as far as to try to figure out what
they're saying after the fact, it's a little hard. It's
a little bit hard to go backwards. But watch their
behaviors and if there's something they are finding appealing and

(30:21):
showing interest in, then keep saying those words and then
we'd focus on repeating that. So hopefully they're good words
and we're not using any swear words or anything in
that way.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Thank you for your call, Glee, you're not after it
gets dark?

Speaker 20 (30:37):
Oh sure, and call us when they when they want
to talk again. And yeah, if you can record it,
we'd love to hear what they sound like. And of
course if you can get them to say we love
animal radio, there's prizes.

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Speaker 22 (31:02):
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Speaker 2 (33:17):
It's Animal Radio celebrating the connection with that our pets,
whether it's a cat, a dog, a flamingo, a potbellied pig,
or even a bird. You're gonna love this next guest, Joey.
I'll tell you this right now, because you're a bird lover.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
How old is Gurney? You know, I keep estimating. I'm
not a shoe up, but I'm gonna she's she's in
a forty, so let's put it that way.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Wow. Yeah, and she probably will outlive you, and she has.
I gotta admit she's a little sarcastic at times. Do
you teach her to be like that?

Speaker 4 (33:47):
What makes you think that I would do that?

Speaker 2 (33:49):
I don't know. Maybe she's just hanging around you a lot.
And then I'm just making that suggestion there. I'm wondering
how she became so salty for a bird.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Yeah, she's just a salty She's just a salty bird.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
You're gonna love. Our next guest, doctor Lauren Linder, is
joining us. Doctor. How are you doing today?

Speaker 9 (34:06):
I'm doing well.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
How are you very good? Are you a bird owner?
Or should I say does a bird own you?

Speaker 14 (34:13):
A bird definitely owns me, in fact, more than one bird.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Now you use birds as therapy for, in particular PTSD sufferers.

Speaker 14 (34:25):
Who would have thunk huh?

Speaker 7 (34:26):
I know.

Speaker 14 (34:27):
Indeed, I didn't put it together until one day. I'm
sitting there trying to do group therapy with this menagerie
of veterans who are sitting with their arms crossed, not
wanting anything to do with me. And one of my birds,
who I brought to the therapy room just really as
a convenience because I had nowhere else to put her,
climbs down and climbs up one of the veteran's legs

(34:48):
and says hello, I love you. Oh that got in
a lot better than I did.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Well. That was a happy accident.

Speaker 14 (34:56):
It was a very happy accident, and it led to
many more, which I'm very grateful for, and so are
the parrots and the veterans of Serenity Park.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
What is Serenity Park?

Speaker 14 (35:06):
That's the name I gave to the parrots sanctuary. I
started the only one of its kind on the grounds
of the West Los Angeles Veterans Hospital, and I was
a clinical director of a program for homeless veterans at
the time and thought that the parrots might be a
good diversion. Little did I know they were going to
be part of my armamentarium for treating the veterans with PTSD.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Now a sanctuary for parents. And you say the only
one of its kind, Probably where do these parrots come from?

Speaker 14 (35:34):
There is no lack of parrots in need of homes.
There's animated estimated thirty to sixty million parrots in the
United States, that the third most commonly kept companion animal,
and most of them, like you said earlier in the show,
will outlive their family members. So where do they go.
Most people don't want to inherit a bird and have

(35:55):
to deal with the mess and the screaming and the biting,
and they want to travel, or they have young children,
or they have myriad other reasons why they can't keep
a bird for its long lifetime. And we get calls
every single day, emails, texts from people who want to
relinquish their parents. Unfortunately, we're full at this point, and

(36:15):
there are many other sanctuaries in the country and they're
close to full as well.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
How many birds do you have at your sanctuary right now?

Speaker 14 (36:22):
We have forty two. We would be very able to
build more enclosures, but of course that costs money and
it's difficult now with the cost of steel and labor. Really,
we use the veterans to do everything from the animal
husbandry to caring for the parents, to learning the vet
tech skills necessary to provide medications when needed, and we

(36:46):
also use them for the construction of the sanctuary. The aviaries,
the large flights that enabled the parents to live a
little bit more of a natural life than they do
in the small cages they're usually kept in.

Speaker 18 (36:57):
Is that part of their therapy that is indeed, I
call it the four FS meaning flight, forage, flocking, and mating,
and I believe that all parents need that.

Speaker 14 (37:11):
They need to be able to fly, they need to
be Yeah, god, we're all realizing that was only three fs.
Takes a moment, but they need all of those things,
and they need to be with other members of their
own species, just like we do. We're all social animals,
very very much a flock creature, and they depend on

(37:34):
having other animals of their own kind to thrive and
to have quality of life.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Well, this is great. How the birds are helping the
veterans and the veterans are helping the birds. It's a
very synergistic relationship. What do people normally think?

Speaker 14 (37:50):
I get lots of double takes, and those who know,
like your gurney's owner there, they know that the birds
really do interact and they establish deep and lasting relationships
because they most of the time made for life if
humans allowed them to, and they really form very solid relationships,

(38:13):
and that's part of the healing process for the veterans
who have been estranged from society after they've returned from
military service and they don't feel like they have a
place anywhere that they fit in again, and being of
service to the parents is really important to them, and
the parents thrive on that kind of attention and really
love that interaction. And people don't realize how much birds

(38:35):
really really do indeed, enjoy a healthy relationship with humans
and are extremely intelligent. I'd say equally so to most
primates and marine mammals.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
We have ten copies of your book to give away.
It's called Birds of a Feather. What's in the book?
Tell us about it?

Speaker 14 (38:54):
Well, I love that you're giving books away, and I
really relish the fact that people will we'll read this
and learn about the plight of parrots, first of all,
because because most people don't even know. They know about
going to adopt a dog in a CATAA shelter, and
they know about puppy mills, but there are also birdie
mills where conditions are just dreadful for these poor parrots,

(39:17):
and they're young. And they'll also learn about the veterans
who are suffering from PTSD and are having a hard
time reading, adjusting to civilian life and fitting into society,
and how the two of them together, these sort of
birds of a feather, are relating and healing each other

(39:37):
in ways that are really quite extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
If you're not lucky enough to get on through, you
can head on over to Amazon, or go to our
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heard on Animal Radio button over there and you'll see
Birds of a Feather by our author doctor and Lauren
Linder joining us. Thank you so much for visiting.

Speaker 14 (39:54):
It was my pleasure.

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Speaker 1 (40:31):
Today, celebrating the connection with our pets. This is Animal
Radio featuring veterinarian doctor Debbie White, groomer Joey Valani, news
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Here are your hosts, Hal Abrams and Judy Francis.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Are you too attached to your pets?

Speaker 5 (40:52):
Never?

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Never?

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Absolutely?

Speaker 7 (40:54):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (40:56):
What do you read?

Speaker 17 (40:56):
Are you serious?

Speaker 5 (40:59):
You can never be too who attached?

Speaker 11 (41:02):
I don't think you can love them too much?

Speaker 7 (41:04):
Yeah, I've seen some pretty extreme things, so yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
What do you think is extreme?

Speaker 7 (41:12):
I think attending to your pets needs to the detriment
of family members.

Speaker 19 (41:17):
In the home.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
But wait, wait, your pets are your family to other
family members.

Speaker 7 (41:23):
Like I've seen kids, Okay, I have seen children's college
educations get cashed in for pets medical care.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
Yeah, so what's your point?

Speaker 7 (41:31):
And while that may be something important for that animal,
is it is it appropriate to not let your kid
go to college because your dog needs a surgery? I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
So wait, you the doctor, are saying that animal lives
are not as important as a human's life.

Speaker 7 (41:47):
Perhaps I have seen that you really have to take
all of it into consideration. We all want to do
everything we can for our animals, but you have to
be realistic with your life situation. And uh yeah, and
I do think I mean human life is you know,
I wouldn't be here if someone valued my pet's life
greater than mine somewhere along the way, you know. So

(42:07):
I think you do have to say that there's a
loving place for them in the home, but it's not
superseded to of your immediate family members.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
See I say that kid can go out and earn
its own college money to go to work and pay
your own with Ye.

Speaker 6 (42:21):
She makes a good point, Doctor Debbie makes a good
point because if if we have you know people who
are actually paying, you know, letting children who cannot care
for themselves, like tiny kids, toddlers, and preferring to I mean,
there are weird people out there who just don't get
that there is an appropriate balance in every world.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
And I bet you see way more.

Speaker 6 (42:42):
Than we even hear about doctor dab Well.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (42:45):
Yeah, I mean, if you really think about, Okay, your
kid is sitting in one corner and it's sick, sneezing,
feeling horrible, and then your dog is in the other whining, dragging,
is butt on the floor. If you left that crying,
snotty nosed baby it, go take your talk to the vet,
would you be judged by you the moral authority and
saying that's the wrong choice. It's not me for me

(43:07):
to say, but just a question.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
You know who agrees with you is Clay Rutledge. And
he's an author, he's a psychological scientist, a consultant, a
contributor for the National Review, and he thinks exactly like
you do, pretty close that he's going to be joining
us this hour. He says, yeah, we're too attached to
our pets, so get ready for this guy just around
the corner. Right here on it.

Speaker 6 (43:28):
I see one of those people who's angry at pet people.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
I don't know. We're going to find out. We'll find out.
It's coming up in just a few minutes. What are
you working on for this hour?

Speaker 6 (43:37):
Well, there's some new medical things going on in China
where they've experienced some viruses that have spread from pigs
to dogs, and it's possible that in the future. They're
keeping an eye on these to see if they because
they do think it's possible that they could go from
pet dogs to people.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Really, you mean that the virus can go to humans
from me?

Speaker 6 (44:00):
It depends on the virus and there's a lot of
research and studying going on. But I'll tell you more
about it.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Okay, if you hang around. I'm going to hang around
for that. I'll be listening anyway, because I want to
talk to this Clay Rutledge guy, and he's right after
you coming up. But first your phone calls. Let's head
to Frank Ky, Frank.

Speaker 9 (44:15):
How are you doing all right? How you doing today?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Thank you for waiting. We know you were on the
phone for a little time waiting there. We appreciate that
and that you didn't hang up because it would be
a real drag if I just came to you right now.
It was like a dial tone. Yeah, So, Frank, what's
going on?

Speaker 9 (44:31):
Where are you calling from today, sister California?

Speaker 2 (44:34):
We're in californiasa a SUSA, I like in the Los
Angeles area, Yes, sir, Well, thank you for listening down
there in LA. So what's going on with your animals?

Speaker 9 (44:44):
Well, we have a pit bull. He's a blue Los
gouttie whatever you want to call him. And at the
base of the tail it looks kind of like major
it's I don't know if you call it hotspots or whatever,
but it's words chewing on it and you can hear
him when he's rubbing up against the the doghouse and stuff.

(45:10):
And we tried putting stuff, medicine on it, but it
comes back. We've used olive, we use s peroxide when
it's open sword and then we used ali vera and
it kind of cleans it up a little bit and
then it comes back.

Speaker 7 (45:28):
Okay, And on the skin in the area, what does
it look like? Can you describe what it looks like
to me? Is their hair? Are their sores?

Speaker 5 (45:37):
It?

Speaker 9 (45:38):
Well, he starts chewing on it and scratching. You know,
the hair is like disappearing, you know, the pitbos, the
real short hair. Well, you know, it starts looking like,
you know, like the hairs falling off. But I guess
it's him chewing or scratching and stuff.

Speaker 7 (45:56):
And then I was just gonna say it's the skin
just in any way, or there's scabs on the area.

Speaker 9 (46:03):
Yeah, a little bit of scabs, you know.

Speaker 7 (46:08):
Raw. Okay, all right, Well, I'm going to tell you
that for a down to have an itchy spot at
the tail base area, the two big things that come
to mind are going to be parasites and it's going
to be allergies as the second thing. Those two things
would be the what I really focus my efforts on.
So even if you're doing really good vigilant flea control,

(46:31):
fleas are one of the number one things that we
can see a dog focused on the tail based area.
So for me, that's something I will attack with a
lot of different methods. Now, there's also some microscopic parasites
or mites, specifically the scabies mite, which can be very
itchy and do like that that particular area on the body.
So there's some things that we can do and certainly,

(46:54):
if you see your vet, they can do some skin
test and evaluate your pet for that. For me, if
I have a pet that i'm socious of one or
two of those things, I'll often even if I don't
get the benefit of tests, I'll try some things that
might make the pet better and our geared towards treating
those two conditions. And and one would be that I
would use a topical flea product along with an oral

(47:16):
flea medication, and that's a way to kill those fleas
effectively for the various different life cycles. The other thing
I will do is mites. Mites are microscopic, so you
can't see them. You don't know they're there unless your
vet can pick them up on a skin test. But
there is a medication one called selimactin that I'll often use,

(47:37):
and we can use this product topically and I use
it every two weeks for pets with sarcopts mites, and
it's very effective to kill those critters. So if you
got a pet that's itching, particularly in this area, and
they're not getting better, it's well worth doing that every
two weeks for about three treatments. That's called slimactin. So

(47:58):
that would be something I would certainly recommend to see
your veterinarian about because that can definitely make a big difference.
So if we're dealing with more like an allergy in
that area, you know, we're looking at anything in the environment.
Anything that's pollen's in the yard, in your neighbor's yard,
Foods that your dog eats can cause allergic responses in

(48:20):
the dog's skins. So that's another whole kind of topic
of conversation how we can relieve a pet with that.
But often I'll use some antihistamines that have a component
that help with some anxiety that kind of comes along
with the itch. So, say a pet with really bad
flea allergy, dermatitis or really bad allergies is scratching, chewing
themselves and they're miserable. So there's actually anti histamines and

(48:44):
medicines that are actually an anti depressant combination, and that
these can be very helpful to kind of squash that
itch and make the pet feel more relaxed and comfortable.
AMA Triptolene is one of those. The other one which
I do have some good use with is doccapin And
these are medicines that if you've ever heard of dogs

(49:06):
with lick granulomas or hot spots, they kind of obsessively
lick at an area. These kind of medications can help
them with the itch and also kind of with that
obsessive kind of I feel like I got to itch,
I gotta itch kind of thing. So that might be
another direction that we can go for your baby. And
certainly I don't want him to be rubbing it on
the dog house. We got to do something to get

(49:28):
the skin some relief there. So I like the idea
of alo vera topical. It's a nice soothing thing, very natural.
I'm not opposed it out, but I do think we
need to get into the nitty gritty and look at
some of these parasites and get your baby to stop
itch in there. Now, I want to ask is your
is your dog neutered or is he intact.

Speaker 9 (49:49):
He's got him, he's got the baby. Yeah, okay, we
keep them in the yard and he's real friendly. In fact,
we have a CHEWENI and he's than the pitbull.

Speaker 18 (50:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (50:03):
Well, just the reason I mentioned that is because an
unneutered male dog often has an area of hair loss
at the base of their tail, and it's called studtail.
And it's hormonally driven. But dogs that have this don't
usually have the itchies and scratches associated with that, but
they can have the area of hair loss. So it

(50:25):
is possible that there could be something else that's causing
the itching and that your dog has studtail, which is
just a natural thing for a dog that's not neutered.
So it might be well worth going, you know, going
to see the vat just to have a good skin
exam and if you can put your your guy up
about by the radio time best to get an impression
of what's going on.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Hey, Frank, thanks for your call. Good luck with that.
I think I have studtail myself. Someone check. Yeah, it's weird.
I've never heard about that. Thanks for your call. Hopefully
that'll work out for you. You know what, doctor Debbie,
you're like Taco Bell.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
I ate Taco Bell?

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Well, yeah, because you know, Taco Bell has five different ingredients,
but they have dozens of different menu items. You get
pretty much the same calls and just different people asking them.
We'll get questions about fleas, We'll get questions about allergies,
something your dog eate?

Speaker 4 (51:15):
What else?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
What are the common top five?

Speaker 14 (51:18):
You know?

Speaker 7 (51:19):
Nutrition is always a really big thing. But you know,
I really I look forward to those kind of wacky,
weird ones that come out of nowhere, you know, like
the caller that I often get, you know, sometimes with
the clinic, so I'll call the birds. Yeah, but I
mean I get calls like, you know, my dogs are
stuck together. The male is the female and they're stuck together.
Those are kind of fun calls, you know. I don't

(51:39):
mind some really wacky things out there.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
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Speaker 2 (53:50):
Apparently we've started a controversy here at Animal Radio. Can
you love your animals too much? Stephn divided here in
the studio, I'm one of the first. I love my
animals like family. In just a few minutes, we're going
to talk to Clay Rutledge. He's an author and he's
a psychological scientist, and he says that we're loving our
pets way too much.

Speaker 6 (54:13):
I don't get that, but yeah, I mean I think
we're all pretty normal and pretty rational, so I think
we're doing it right.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
Maybe maybe there's just a few people that do but
not us.

Speaker 7 (54:25):
But you know what, I think there's a lot of
protesting going on, you know, And I can't say because
you know, I have a closet of costumes, jackets, sweaters,
shoes for my dogs. My husband complains about his closet space,
and I think my dogs can rival that.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
So we'll love to see what Clay Rutledge thinks about that.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
Ye see, my dog doesn't have more closet space than
I do.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
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Speaker 6 (54:49):
Hey, we have a new oldest living cat in the
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Speaker 2 (54:55):
Oh no, the record book. Okay, hey Bob, what's up?

Speaker 9 (54:58):
Here's my question.

Speaker 15 (55:00):
We have a Yorki puppy who weighs right out a pound,
and when we took her to the vet, the first
vet said she's too small to give a Sentinel heartworm
and sleek tabs. And then we went to a second

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vet who said, you know, you can go ahead and
give her one because you just have to break it
in half. And he gave me an eleven to twenty
five pound tab, which still seems like too much. So
I called Sentinel on their eight hundred number and they

(55:42):
said that they don't recommend it for any dog less
than two pounds.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (55:48):
Yeah, So the question is what kind of fleat treatment?
I want to get her on some kind of a
heartworm regiment, and I also would like to get her
on some kind of a flea regiment.

Speaker 7 (56:01):
And that's is she the only dog you have?

Speaker 15 (56:03):
She's the only dog?

Speaker 7 (56:04):
Yes? And up to right now have they used regular
dewarming products in her for other purposes as far as
for like you know, the intestinal worms, They hopefully de
wormed her in those respects.

Speaker 15 (56:15):
Yeah, we used a couple of different pills. One was
a pill and one was kind of a liquid, but
neither one of those one was for uh, some kind
of worms. The other was for some kind of parasite.
Couldn't think of the word. Yeah, So but again I'm

(56:38):
back to you know, when when can you do something
for fleas?

Speaker 9 (56:42):
And what can you do?

Speaker 5 (56:43):
Right now?

Speaker 15 (56:44):
We use dawn detergent, which.

Speaker 18 (56:48):
Dawn.

Speaker 15 (56:48):
Yeah, actually it works, and but I hate to give
her a bath every week, but that's what we're doing.

Speaker 7 (56:58):
Yeah, and let me ask you are you do you
have a lot of flea problems in your area?

Speaker 14 (57:02):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (57:03):
Well, yeah, in the area we do, but we don't.
We have a screened in fortune. We take her out
there and she has a little puppy pad that we're
using to get her house broken.

Speaker 7 (57:15):
So she's probably not one of those dogs that spends
a lot of time outdoors roaming the great yonder zero
one pone Yorky could easily be prey for like a
large bird or something like that, So we do have
to be careful.

Speaker 15 (57:34):
So here's the question heartwork and flea protection. What would think.

Speaker 7 (57:41):
About Well, you know, every region is a little bit
different in what their veterinarians were probably most comfortable with.

Speaker 18 (57:48):
I do have.

Speaker 7 (57:49):
You know, definitely I share the concerns with a small
dog and using some products, and I would always fall
back in the manufacture because they're going to be the
ones that stand behind the product legally. So if they
say not to use the heartworm flea medication for her,
then I'm going to honor that. For smaller pets. In
my office, we very commonly will use. As far as

(58:10):
heartworm protection, we'll use heart Guard, which is a type
of a monthly chewable, as well as Interceptor, and those
are some of the products that we'll use in our office.
As far as flea tick products, you can kind of
switch things up a little bit and you can try
some different things, and you know, regular bathing with don
is great to just kind of remove the fleas, but

(58:32):
it doesn't do a lot to really give us some
long sustained protection. So we would certainly look at maybe
something like I'm a fan of Frontline when it comes
to flee and tick control, and that's the type either
a topical spot on or spray on that you can
apply to the pet. So it's nice and convenient when
we have one product that kind of does everything, but

(58:53):
you might kind of have to mix and match just
so that we're keeping in mind her small size and
you know, covering your base says with you know, all
the different things we got to worry about with our
puppy dogs in the infectious disease world.

Speaker 15 (59:05):
Well, I appreciate it. We've had two dogs in our lives.
One lived eighteen years and one lived seventeen years. This
is our third, but this is by far the small.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Gotta I gotta ask you, I gotta butt in. You know,
we just got a chihuahua and it weighs at a baby,
at a puppy at ten weeks old, it's a pound
and a half almost two pounds. Is that kind of
small for a Yorki to be a pound? I mean
that's pretty small.

Speaker 15 (59:27):
Well, she was a run her brother's powered over. But
you know, I don't know, she's awful. She weighed fourteen
ounces when we see the vet the first time, and
she was seven weeks old.

Speaker 7 (59:42):
Yeah, and some of those breeds, we definitely can see
some lines where they breed. Whar's the really tiny, the
really small, almost teacup type size. They're good and bad
with that now they're easy to carry around. A lot
of people really love love the really tiny ones, but
you do have to be a little bit on the
watch for you know, some genetic things and then the
size related problems of just kind of getting underfoot and

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you know, being a tiny dog in a big world.

Speaker 8 (01:00:06):
Okay, well, thank you very much, thanks.

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Speaker 6 (01:01:36):
I'm Louri Brooks. A pet monkey that escaped from its
owner's truck went ape on the property of a home
depot parking lot and the worker there recently. This was
in Florida. It was a domesticated spider monkey, so one
of those little ones. Its name was Spanky. But it
went wild in the parking lot after it somehow got
loose from the truck and it did have a leash on.

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And then one of the women who was working for
home Depot was trying to get this spider monkey and
helped to capture it to get it back to its owner.
And so she quietly got the monkey's leash when it
crawled up on her back, and I mean, if you're
not animal friendly, that might be kind of scary, but
it bit her twice, and then when Spanky climbed down

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off of the woman's back, she got a hold of
the leash again. She wasn't going to give up, and
she walked this tiny monkey to the front door of
the store to look for the owner. And then when
the sliding glass doors open, how they do that kind
of freaks out some pets, and it did. The monkey
got scared, bit her on the arm and on the hand.
And it wasn't even the monkey's first visit to the store.

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The owner said that the monkey has usually done really
well and loves the home Depot store. They even made
her in apron once.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Oh that is that is weird. That is bizarre. Where
did this happen again? Florida, Florida.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
Yeah, Oka, coach, or excuse me if you live in Florida.
A British cat has been given the title of the
oldest living cat in the world. Hall, I'm doing the
story for you because you are the cat guy. So
this cat is just celebrated it's thirtieth birthday.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
Can you imagine.

Speaker 6 (01:03:16):
Yeah, its name is Rubble and it has been with
his mom since she got him as a kitten on
her twentieth birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:03:25):
So Yeah, she's Isn't that amazing?

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
So she's this cat Probably maybe it's longevity is attributed to,
you know, having a caring owner and she's never had children,
so she's always cared for Rubble as you know, like
her child. So he's had the same owner all this
time and received extraordinary care. He does have a blood
pressure problem right now, but is doing really well. They've
been inseparable all this time. But the oldest cat ever,

(01:03:51):
according to their record books, is actually Creampuff. Creampuff was
born on August third, nineteen sixty seven and lived thirty
eight years and three days. That seems almost impossible. Thirty
eight Yeah, that's according to Guinness.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Doctor Debbie. Have you ever seen anything like this at
your office?

Speaker 7 (01:04:10):
I have not seen a cat KUOI to that age.
I would have to say. We've had some in the twenties,
but I nothing over twenty five that I can recall.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
Still, that's a long life.

Speaker 6 (01:04:21):
Yes, that is a very long life. I would be so,
I mean, that would be so awesome to have to
share that long of your life within you.

Speaker 7 (01:04:27):
As long as it's good. It's quality time, you know,
I mean, you can drag things out for people too
and not living quality life for a long time. So
that's my wish.

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This Animal Radio celebrating the connection with our pets and
our next guest. Has our studio divided in the phone
lines ringing red hot or whitehatched? I say, of course,
We've been talking about it for the last since we
started the show. Pretty much. Do we love our pets
too much? I come from the school of thought that no,

(01:06:32):
I don't. I will pamper them, I will spoil them,
I will do whatever it takes to get medical care
to them. Doctor Debbie. Now, on the other hand, you
think that maybe I'm probably a little over the edge, although.

Speaker 7 (01:06:44):
Well, I think that you know, animals shouldn't replace human interaction,
and you know that they shouldn't surpass the importance of
your human relationships. So that's kind of my thing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
And that's coming from a lady who has several clothing
options in her closet for her dog.

Speaker 7 (01:07:02):
Yes, but my husband's still allowed to sleep in bed.
It's not like I make him sleep out in the doghouse.
You know, he's still more important to me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
So well, I have to say that, right, we welcome
Clay Rutledge, Doctor Clay Rutledge. He's an author, he's a
psychological scientist, and he says that perhaps we're too attached
to our pets. Welcome to the show, doctor, thanks for
having me. So now, what is this that you think
that I'm crazy and that I shouldn't spend so much
time prioritizing my animal.

Speaker 26 (01:07:30):
No, so I would reframe it a little bit and say, well,
first of all, I'm an animal lover as well. In fact,
there's a general rule in my family that I'm not
allowed to go to places in which there's an opportunity
for me to bring home an animal, because I undoubtedly will.
So to me, the issue really isn't do we love
our pets too much? As much as what does it

(01:07:53):
say about the human condition that we are so attached
to our pets, you know? So it's to me it's
more of what does it signal about maybe deficits in
other areas than it says anything about what our pets
deserve or any of that. Though we can certainly speak
about some concerns that I think we would all share
about the risks too animals of treated and more like

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they have human qualities than they actually do.

Speaker 14 (01:08:19):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
I'm a baby boomer, just on the tail end of it,
the real tail end of it. When I was a kid,
the dog was in the backyard, he was in a doghouse.
He was never allowed inside. Now, of course it's a
completely different story. The dog sleeps in bed with me,
and I will wake up with a back ache because
I've maneuvered my way around just to find a comfortable
position not to upset him. Millennials and I see that

(01:08:43):
the millennials now, instead of having families, are bringing pets
in as their children.

Speaker 26 (01:08:49):
Well, so there's a lot of debate as to why
that is the case, you know, issues ranging from the
economic costs associated with children to people being too busy.
But there is some interesting research relating issues like loneliness
to pet ownership, and also trends related to the delaying
of marriage and having children, and these things seem to

(01:09:13):
correspond with increased pet ownership, and not just people having pets,
but the more they There's this term in psychology called anthropomorphism,
which is when you treat things or animals that aren't
humans as if they have human cognitive qualities, and so
we're seeing more of this. I've seen people, you know,
maybe as well. I've seen people walking down trails with

(01:09:36):
their dogs and baby strollers when presumably be much assuming
their dogs aren't, you injured in any way, it would
be better for them to be walking. I've seen people
trying to feed their dogs human food that's not necessarily
best for their nutritional needs. I saw this really insane story,
I think it was on slate of this trend for

(01:09:57):
millennial hipsters to not vaccinate their dogs, which speaks to
two different, two different you know, you know, crazy beliefs,
which is one they believe in the false idea of
the vaccinations cause autism, and two they think that their
dogs can get autism. And so there's these kinds of
trends that I don't think it's just necessarily bad, you know,

(01:10:19):
shows that some you know, some kind of bad state
that we're in as a social species. But also there's
some real risk to animals, you know, there's some real
risk to neglect and abuse of treating animals not like animals,
but like they're they're fully part of the human species.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Where do you draw the line? And I know it's
it's not a line that's easy to see, but where
do you draw the line between being over the top
with your pet and just being a regular pet owner?

Speaker 26 (01:10:49):
Yeah, you know, that's a good question, and you know,
to be clear, I don't think it's the case that
most pet owners are doing this, you know what, you
know what we you know, I'm sure most pet owners
have a perfectly healthy relationship with their pets, but what
you know, I don't know where the line is. But
you know, I think people need to be educated about

(01:11:09):
what they can expect from an animal. So when I
wrote this article that you know that has you guys divided.
You know, I can't even tell you the amount of
hate mail that I received. That that was fascinating to
me because so much of it was humans are trash,

(01:11:30):
Humans are garbage, Your garbage, And in a way it
just spoke to my point, right that people don't have
a lot of faith in humanity. That people don't you know,
there's whole numbers supporting this. People are less likely across urban, rural,
and suburban areas of our country. They're less likely to
feel strongly attached to their community. They're less likely to

(01:11:51):
feel like there's people, there's people that they can confide in.
And so I think what we're seeing is, you know,
at some level, we have to be clear that there's
plenty of people that have perfectly healthy relationships with their pets,
and these are the people that you know I'm talking
about here. But at some level, there's something going on
in which people are so desperate for that human connection
that they're elevating their dogs to be, you know, to

(01:12:15):
expect more from them than they really can.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Hang' typer one second, We've got to take a quick
break where with doctor Clay Rutledge telling us that maybe
we love our animals too much, just some of us,
just some of us.

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Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
We're talking with doctor Clay Rutlitch Now, an author and
psychological scientists. Not a week goes by that we don't
have a story about an airline that has turned away
somebody because they can't have their emotional support animal with them.
When we use animals for emotional support, is that going
across the line.

Speaker 26 (01:14:07):
Well again, it's you know, it's it's complicated because there
is certainly work that suggests that animals are, you know,
excellent source of comfort. So there's work with elderly people,
for instance, who might not have you know, who might
be widowed or living alone, or have disability issues that
make it hard for them to get out there. Living

(01:14:29):
in assisted living facilities and having a dog can make
the difference between you know, feeling depressed or feeling like
you've got a purpose. And so I do think it's
certainly the case that animals and anyone who's who is
an animal owner or an animal lover will see that
you know, well, you know, pets are just comforting and
so that's fine, but that's a different issue than whether

(01:14:51):
or not they have you know, a scientifically established clinical effectiveness.
And there just really isn't much much, eviuden for that
that you need to take an emotional animal support animal
with you in order to be psychologically functional.

Speaker 7 (01:15:07):
Why is it that? Okay, So if a person is
taking this the wrong way and that they're replacing human
interaction with animals or with their pets, why is that happening?

Speaker 26 (01:15:20):
So, you know, so there's one component that I think
is to this loneliness problem or this social disconnection problem,
and one of the unfortunate characteristics of loneliness, you know,
and just general social disconnection is that it kind of
perpetuates itself because when people feel lonely or excluded or ostracized,

(01:15:43):
their brain kind of switches to a more defensive position
in which they become extremely vigilant about further social loss. Right,
they don't want to get hurt again, they don't want
to be rejected again, and so what that can make
them do is to take fewer social risks, so they're
less likely to go out and want to meet people,
you know, so they're more avoidant. And so if they're

(01:16:04):
directing that social energy trying to meet their social needs
with their pets, then that's an easier, it feels like
a safer way to try to meet your belonging its
needs them to have to actually go out and deal
with human beings, which again I got dozens and dozens
of emails essentially confirming that, saying, well, humans are trashed.
I've only been treated horrible by people. You can't trust people,

(01:16:25):
you can't depend on people. Whenever I come home from work,
my dog is always happy to see me, and so
I think you see that kind of reinforcement, which again
can feel you know, there's nothing wrong with being happy
to see your dog or you know, having a relationship
with your dog. But I think the question we have
to ask is what is that? Is that indicating something
that's missing in terms of human relationships?

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
There is? To me, it's it's a red flag. We
have a library here where they have a dog that
comes in and the kids get to read to the
dog because the dog won't criticize them tell them that
they're reading poorly. And I think that's what we find
in all of our animals is kind of a they
don't judge, they're non judgmental. Yeah, and that's it's very

(01:17:09):
easy to make that your best friend.

Speaker 26 (01:17:12):
No, I think so, I mean there was you know,
there's been some research I think this was a couple
decades ago in psychology that was, you know, this concept
called contingencies of self worth and the idea was that
people's sense of self esteem or you know, people's sense
of self confidence comes in part from the contingencies other

(01:17:33):
people put on them. What do you have to do
to be accepted by others? And interestingly, this was one
of the arguments that was made for the positivity of religion.
That part of makes religion so comforting is the sense
that God loves you no matter what, like God intrinsically
values that. And I'm not trying to compare pets to
God by any mean, but you know, you can get
that kind of sense that you're these animals love you

(01:17:55):
no matter you feel like they love you no matter what.
And there's something very affirming about that when you have
to go out in the world and deal with people
who may only like you conditionally, or you will only
reinforce you conditionally.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Interesting stuff. I put a link over at the website
to your article. If you want to learn more about
what the doctor Clay Ruttledge is talking about right now,
you can head on over to Animal Radio dot pet
and click the link over there. On today's show and
the phones are ringing white hot now, it's a very
polarizing topic. Apparently didn't think when I walked into the

(01:18:30):
studio this morning that the studio would be divided. Doctor,
Thanks so much for spending time with us.

Speaker 26 (01:18:35):
Yeah, thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Okay, it's time for us to get on out of here.
LORI is especially antsy today because you're going to pick
up another foster.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Is this another foster failure you're picking up?

Speaker 6 (01:18:45):
It's Actually, somebody is surrendering a dog and they've had
problems with it, so it's kind of going to be
a group effort to get this dog. You just never
know what to expect, but we're trying. Rescues are really
trying working to be better on animals and to their
family that if you surrender, thank you for surrendering the dog,
because we will really do right by it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
And that's so much better than the way that you
just saw a video of somebody that wanted to get
rid of their dog Judy a spray painted freeom.

Speaker 5 (01:19:15):
Sree on it and let it go in a park
that's all free home. It said, well, it said free
on one side, and I guess the other side might
have said to a good home. And then they let
it loose in the park.

Speaker 6 (01:19:26):
But sometimes you know people who who do give up
their dogs, they're looked upon horribly and stuff. We're just
glad that they're giving us the dog.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
So will this dog come and live with you.

Speaker 6 (01:19:37):
We're going to find a foster for it and it'll
be here probably for a couple of days at least,
and who knows, we could end up fosteringer.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Okay, I salute you. For all the hard work you
do with all those dogs. Amazing.

Speaker 18 (01:19:49):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
If you need your fix during the week, download the
Animal Radio app for iPhone androids or go to the
Animal Radio website at animal radio dot pet. We'll see
you next week for more Animal Radio right here on
this playing station.

Speaker 7 (01:20:01):
Bye bye, bye bye bye, going to love.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
On a foster dog.

Speaker 7 (01:20:10):
Oh my, this is Animal Radio Network.

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