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March 27, 2025 14 mins
Welcome to The Bama Brown Experience on the iHeart Podcast Network! Join Bama Brown and his co-host, the Big Puma, as they dive into a whirlwind of bizarre, intriguing, and downright hilarious topics. In this episode, Bama and Puma explore the hidden corners of the internet where murder memorabilia is traded, including dirt from John Wayne Gacy's house and letters from convicted killers.

But that's not all! Bama shares his personal connection to the JFK assassination conspiracy, revealing his intense encounter with Dan Rather and his near-purchase of Lee Harvey Oswald's car. The duo also discusses a Model A Ford used by Bonnie and Clyde in a bank robbery, adding another layer of historical intrigue.

Expect a mix of laughter, shock, and fascination as Bama and Puma navigate these unusual stories with their signature humor and wit. Whether you're a true crime enthusiast, a history buff, or just looking for a good laugh, this episode has something for everyone.

Don't miss out on this wild ride through history's strangest stories. Subscribe to The Bama Brown Experience and join the conversation today!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Well, hey, you're listening to the Man of Brown Experience
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Thank you for listening. We do one to day.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
It's usually ten to twelve minutes long, and hopefully we
make you laugh, I have some fun. Here's something you
hadn't heard anywhere else that I can almost promise you
you'll hardly ever hear this crap anywhere else because people
they put time and effort into their shows and we.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
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Speaker 1 (00:57):
I saw a story yesterday that just jumped out at
me and I said, man, I gotta tell Puma because
that's reminded me of a thing that I almost did.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Facebook host a hidden marketplace where people trade murder memorabilia,
items linked to serial killers are violent criminals?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
People?

Speaker 3 (01:22):
What are we doing some.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Of the items that have been I'm not gonna yell,
I'm not gonna throw rock yet because I may have
I may have qualified for this.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Oh, you may have been perusing the marketplace yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I was very close to this, Like they had one
of the things they had John Wayne Gaycy dirt so
dirt out from under John Wayne Gacy's house thirty five
dollars for a of course, comes with a letter of authenticity.
Who knows, but one of the guys that's on there,
one of their marketplace guys, and they say a lot

(01:58):
of it is personal.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Letters, artwork that murderers and.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Mostly uh, serial killers, a lot of that crime scene fragments.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
How they've gotten to hold them? I don't know this guy.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
That's my next question, the legality of it, Like, how
is it?

Speaker 4 (02:18):
You know?

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Some of this feels like.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Is it's getting known? It was kind of like a
secret deal, but now that it's kind of getting out,
they are getting Facebook's getting a huge amount of complaints
about people being able because one of the main traders
is a guy named Nico Clox. I can't pronounce his
last name. Uh, he's a convicted murder and cannibal. And
oh he's pen pals for people. I mean, these guys

(02:44):
that are in prisoner ones are the ones that are
that are making money off of this. They're selling this stuff.
And of course, who who better to trust than a
convict that's in prison that's a serial killer. You're not
like you're going to complain if you think something in
the legit you know you're in I'm coming back up
there to the prison.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I'll see you on Saturday and.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Let me come get my refund and personal.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Slide to cash through the drawer through the window here,
you know. But anyway, so here's my connection to this.
And I actually, as whom I will tell you, I'm
the probably, if not the one of the biggest JFK
conspiracy guys. But I probably know more about it than
your average person. In fact, I know quite a bit

(03:27):
about it, and uh, especially with everything that's coming out,
everything that I ever predicted. But I went as far
as literally pinning my friend. Uh my friend was a
broadcaster who dealt with that. Dan uh helped me. I
blinked out. I was Dan rather.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
About for the first Dan that comes to mind.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
I pinned Dan rather against the wall in office and
made him tell me who did it.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I said, I want to know exactly who did it?

Speaker 1 (04:01):
And he said, you know, the CIA was behind it,
as much stuff as he could find out. And of
course that's starting to come out now that they really,
in fact, we're part of the you know, the reason
for it, for shooting Kenney. But I will admit now
what I almost bought. I came this close to buying it.
A friend of mine, you know, no old cars, that's
my thing, old cars. A friend of mine. Actually, for

(04:25):
a brief moment, he owned the fifty five Chevy wagon
that Oswald drove to the book this pository okay, now
depository suppot see you let that with.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Guy's got a wait on you.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
I was gonna wait and see if the.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Metal jacket you were. You were concentrated on what I
was saying. So I'm gonna repeat it that the lady
that they that Oswalt's lived at her house had a
fifty five Chevy wagon really good shape. He wrapped up
the rifle, put it in the back of this wagon
and drove it to the school book depository there and

(05:06):
it parked it and then went in and shot.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
They know he's one of the shooters.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
They've got him on video and everything, and they know
for a fact he was in the window. So when
the at you know, when this all happened and they
got him everything. They impounded the car, and the car
was in the warehouse for years and years and years
enclosed and it was a tight, clean warehouse, so it
was not damaged. This car was an excellent shape. And

(05:31):
about it's been about ten years ago. My buddy called
me and he said, hey, I'm getting ready to list
this car. And I bought cars from this guy and
he had sold a few for me and I was
flipping them back then, and he said, I've got a
fifty five Chevy Wagon station Wagon in an awesome shape.
And I liked those anyway. My first car was a
fifty five Chevy. I said, man, what about it, and
he said, it's the car Oswald. They had the documentation

(05:55):
it was listing in that woman's name.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Still, he drove.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
It to the depository and they towed it from there
and impounded it, and it has been with the government.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
He bought it from an auction.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
He got it and he had it for sale and
I was first when he called it.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
It was sixteen thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
I could buy this running drive and fifty five Chevy
Wagon for sixteen thousand dollars. And I went in there
and told Jamie that I was.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Looking at this car.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
How about go for you?

Speaker 1 (06:25):
She said, you are not about to buy the goddamn
car little Harby Waltrove to the murders of the biggest
murder in history. You are not buying that car. The
only times she's ever told me I couldn't buy one,
but she threw a hissy fit and it ended up
in a museum. It's in a museum now is somebody

(06:48):
did buy it from him. I think he went to eighteen,
you know, kind of went into auction kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
But as Indiana Jones would say, that's probably where it belongs.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Where it belonged. Yes, it didn't need to I didn't
need to drive it, but I was. I thought that
would be the most awesome, you know, next to the
gun the guy you know that he shot Lee Harvey with.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
You know it is a dential limo or.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
With a limo, you know, that rifle. But that car
driving it up there, and that other in the gun
was in the back. That's that's I mean, that's all true,
that all happened.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
So I see, I will give you a path.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Buying that car would be much different than buying the
dirt under John Wayne Gaves's house where all of the
bodies were like that, those do feel they feel slightly
different there. That's not white as surreal, killer obsessed as
some of the other items mentioned for sale here.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
It's it's sick. I'll give you that. It's a sick thing,
but still it's different sick.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
It's a lesser degree of sick. It's it's it's less
of a government wat you're not on the the A
Team government watch list. That's like c Tier, just keep
an eye on this guy, but we don't need to
keep daily times.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
I have another one that and I'm not so sure.
I may not do this just because there's a there's
a model a Ford Body up near Dallas, Texas. And
I know this because I'd heard this story around cars
my whole life, that this car wasn't used in a

(08:28):
robbery with Bonnie and Clyde and got shot up by
the police. Now it's not their death car. It's it's
a car they use to rob a bank. And I'd
heard this story it's up there in a salvage yard,
and actually bought some doors from a guy because I
figured out it was him that had it. Real odd guy,
I mean, like weird guy, but he liked me. He

(08:50):
was a listener, so that was cool.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
He knew who I was, even though he was up
by by fort Worth. He knew who I was because
of the TV show, you know, and he would get
us online. Uh so I bought these doors from him,
but I said, listen, I don't have any way to
get the doors on him. He was here in Austin
and had swapped me, and I said, so can I
come up to He was more outside of Fort Worth.
I said, can I come up to your yard and

(09:14):
pick him up there in my truck? And he goes, yeah, yeah,
you know that's cool. So a couple of weeks later,
I drive up just so I can go in this
guy's salvageyard, his own private old car salvage yard. There's
a few of those around still. So we're walking through.
He's giving me a tour and we come up on
this model a Ford thirty sedan two door sedan sitting there.

(09:35):
The body's old, it's it's not in that bad of shape. Body, frame,
fenders are off of it's all kind of just laying
their motors gone, you know, that kind of it's taking
apart for the most part. And I said, wow, you
got a thirty model A and he goes, yeah, that's
the Bonnie and Clyde car. And I said really, and
he goes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
He said.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
And I said, well, tell me what's the story. And
he goes, well, he goes, I grew up around here,
and he said this. It was a family that were
friends with my mom and dad. And this guy was
probably at the time, I don't even know if he's
still like, he was seventy probably seventy five then, so
ten years ago he'd be eighty five. Now he's still around.
He had the car. They stole the car and Clyde

(10:17):
stole it. They went to the bank in the little
town there by them all documented they went in that bank,
robbed that bank. Now they didn't rob all the banks
they people had blamed on them. You know, they had
bank robbers everywhere, but everybody always go biddy and Clyde
came rob his bank.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Well, they didn't rob that many, but they robbed this one.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
And when they drove out and this stolen Model A
from this farm that this guy was family was friends with,
of a cop ran out there and shot the back
of the car. He shot four holes in the back
of this Model A. Bullet holes were still there. Yeah,
And so they drove it to another farm that this

(10:55):
guy's family was also friends with it because there's just
nothing but farmland out there.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
West of Worth, and they all know each other, right, they.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
All knew each other, all knew it. Anyway, they they
left the Model A there and stole their car from
that land and they drove it off and I don't
know whatever happened it, but the Model AID people got
their car back. Well, this was you know, in the
forties or thirties. It wasn't the forties and thirties, so
they'd have money to get it fixed, you know. So
they just drove it with the bullet holes in it.

(11:23):
And then over years, you know, they this guy ended
up buying it because he grew up with this story
knowing that was the car. Now, he had no documentation
on it. They didn't hadn't have any paperwork to prove
it was even theirs or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
He said, so you know, it doesn't there's nothing you
can prove with this whole story.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
But he goes, that was the That was the car
because I grew up up here knowing and that's why
I wanted it. And he said I was going to
restore it, but he said, I never did, you know,
And I almost I came pretty close.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
To buy it.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, that would have been hard to walk away from all.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
I come so close. Man.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
It almost feels like, you know, joking about the letter
of often for the dirt under Gacy's house.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Like yeah, what is that? What?

Speaker 4 (12:04):
What value is that authenticity providing you? Like it's kind
of in the same way but opposite with this car,
Like would you really need any kind of, you know,
proof besides another timer telling you the story? That would
be enough for me to be like, okay, that that
now has value.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
And see he wasn't trying to sell it to me
at the time, you know, I mean I had to
actually go, well, what would you take for and he
was like, yeah, thirty five hundred because it was and
that was a fair deal on a body alone. You know,
I still look here I saw some off of my desk.
Look at I still have his phone number right here.
I could call him right now and buy a car.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
But I just well, and if if the old man
has happened to pass, maybe the family wants to upload
some of that jump that have left behind.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
That's been a lot of puma.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
That's the best time to buy stuff when somebody's dead.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
I love the good estate. So I'm just saying, especially
here in Alamo.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Most of puma stuff somebody was sitting in it when
they died, and that's how I got a deal on it.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Pictures in our living room of dead people from the
eighteen hundred.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
We have no idea who they are.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Ye, I'm not an old estate so stuff like the
frame and we never took the picture out, so I mean, yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Right up our alley.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
That's nice. That's nice to know.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
We don't know these people, but we know that guy
got electrocuted, so that's cool. Anyway, Well, if you've got
some oll crap hanging around and it's got some value
to it, get it on marketplace.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Maybe you can get it sold or give us a call.
A good chance.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I'll buy it and believe your story. But even if
it's a serial killer. I don'ly any kind of serial
killer crap at all is none of that.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
I don't any of that.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
So it's gotta be somebody famous. It's been assassinated. There,
I'm all about.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
There's a moral line that you hold. What were than
most people's, but they're still a line.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
It's Brown Experience is the weirdest podcast you're going to
hear anywhere, and it's on the iHeart podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Thank you for listening.
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