November 30, 2025 • 22 mins
Cawthorne blasted Andrew’s approach, arguing he was making the same mistakes Maxwell’s legal team made — attacking the credibility of the accuser, questioning memory, and casting the lawsuit as a money grab. According to Cawthorne, that strategy was “seriously mis-advised.” He said Andrew’s lawyers seemed to be spending vast sums for a defence that was unlikely to succeed and that choosing to “victim-blame” Giuffre mirrored Maxwell’s defence line: seeking to shift focus away from the allegations and onto the accuser’s alleged motivations. In Cawthorne’s view, using tactics like “false memory” arguments or psychological attacks against Giuffre wasn’t just ethically questionable — it was legally risky, especially given Maxwell’s defeat with similar lines of defence.
Cawthorne implied that by adopting Maxwell’s strategy, Andrew was painting a target on himself rather than protecting himself. In his book charting Andrew’s fall from grace, Cawthorne describes how the prince’s pattern of privilege, arrogance, and poor advice made him vulnerable to exactly this kind of exposure.
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Cawthorne implied that by adopting Maxwell’s strategy, Andrew was painting a target on himself rather than protecting himself. In his book charting Andrew’s fall from grace, Cawthorne describes how the prince’s pattern of privilege, arrogance, and poor advice made him vulnerable to exactly this kind of exposure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
Hope everybody's having a great evening out there, and hopefully
you all had a great day as well. Tonight on
the program, we're going to talk a little bit more
about Prince Andrew and the strategy that him and his
team are employing. Now. One of the things I've been
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talking about since he came out hot and heavy here
with the way he is going about his defense is
that it is not a good look and I don't
think it's going to be the proper strategy. When all
is said and done. We already have the blueprint of
Glenn Maxwell attempting this same strategy and it failing miserably.
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So why would Prince Andrew and his people think that
they're going to be able to pull it off? I
guess a lot of it has to do with the
hubris of his legal team. I mean, Bretler's no joke now,
this is He's in the same kind of situation as
you see with a couple of Maxwell's lawyers, right, Bretler
and Singer. These guys are the real deal, and they
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have no problem getting down into the muck and fighting dirty.
That's how it works in Hollywood, that's how it goes,
and when you're dealing with lawyers like that, there is
no bounds that they're not willing to go to. On
the flip side of that, though, as the Prince of England,
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you have to be aware of the optics, right, And
I guess at this point things are so severe and
he's in such jeopardy that he doesn't even care what
the optics look like anymore. He's just basically fighting for
his life. So he tells Bretler and Singer and the
rest of them, Hey, do what you gotta do. And
while I don't think it's a very good strategy from
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his point of view, for the rest of us who
are hoping for some justice here, who are hoping for
some more transparency and for some more documents to be
released to the public view, oh this is a good
idea because I don't think Judge Kaplan is gonna be
receptive to it, and I really do not think a
jury is going to be receptive to it. We've seen
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the strategy employed by Maxwell, we saw this strategy employed
by Cosby, We've saw it employed by r. Kelly. And
while that might have worked in the past, with the
way things are now, with the current environment that we
find ourselves in, it's just not going to pass the
smell test. And for the money that Prince Andrew his
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mom is spending on his legal team, you would think
that you'd be expecting a little bit more of a
you know, slick strategy. This is the strategy everybody expects. Right,
you got a great running back, Well, we all know
you're gonna run the ball, and that's what they're gonna
do here. They know that their only hope is to
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discredit Virginia, is to try and destroy her story and
make her look like an absolute crank, right, like an
absolute psycho. That's their goal. They want to make her
have no credibility. You know, she's part of Epstein's operation.
She's a human trafficker herself. These are the things that
they're saying. These are the things they're going to continue
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to say. And again, when he first employed this strategy,
I knew it was a bad idea. Today, in the
article we're going to talk about, we have a royal
biographer named Nigel Cawthorne who says the same exact thing.
This isn't you know, your run of the mill sexual
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assault allegation. We're talking about the Queen of England's son.
This is a serious charge and this is a serious situation.
So it's going to just be brutal for Prince Andrew
if he continues on this path. If he continues with
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this sort of strategy and he attempts to destroy the
credibility of Virginia, especially trying to set it up and
paint her as part of Epstein's operation, it is just
not going to go over well. And when you have
royal biographers and historians saying the same thing, that signals
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to me that Andrew is absolutely in panic mode and
this is the only option left to him. I mean, look,
you don't go nuclear unless that's your only option left, right,
And we know that he's in a spot now some
quicksand and he certainly doesn't look like he's going to
be pulling himself out of it anytime soon. So let's
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see what Nigel Cawthorne has to say over here in
the Independent headline. Prince Andrew is following the same victim
blaming legal strategy as Glene Maxwell biographer says. And this
article was authored by I Guess staff over at Independent.
(05:08):
There's no author's name here. I'd like to credit the
author who wrote this piece, but I guess it's uh,
just the staff over at Independent. All right, So let's
dive in. Prince Andrew's attempts to survivor blame Virginia Roberts
while accusing her of having false memories. Shows that the
royal is being seriously misadvised. The biographer says, for sure, Look,
(05:30):
I'm certainly not a genius by any stretch of the imagination.
Right barely got through college. There's certainly not some guy
that's gonna sit around here and tell you that he
knows everything about everything. But when you take a look
at the way he went about this, the way he
has come out in an aggressive manner with no evidence
to back up his assertions, you don't need to be
(05:54):
you know, Robert Shapiro or you know, one of the
Supreme Court justices is to understand what's going on here
and that this was seriously misadvised. He needs to take
some humility here, and I know that's obviously out the
window because the way he's went about this from the beginning.
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But if he would have went about this correctly from
the beginning, he could have avoided this whole firestorm. Sure
it would have sucked to get up there right in
the beginning and answer all of these questions and air
this all out. And if you didn't do what Virginia
accused you of doing, provide some evidence to that and
say demand right away, Hey, look, I want to clear
my name. I'm not hiding from this. He didn't do
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any of that. Instead, he acts like he doesn't even
know her, like the picture is fake and it is
really an absolute joke for him to think that he
is going to be able to get over with that
sort of narrative. Nigel Cawthorne told The Independent he was
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surprised that Andrew was employing the same legal tactics in
his civil sexual assault case that Glain Maxwell's attorney's tried
during her sex trafficking trial. Attack their accusers' motives and
claim memories of abuse have become distorted over time. I mean,
what's next, Prince Andrew's gonna dredge up Elizabeth Loftis again,
and we're going to get more of the memory expert.
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I mean, you might as well get the dream therapist
from Nightmare on Elm Street three Dream Warriors to come
in that's how much I believe in all of that
nonsense fooey hooey stuff that is just ridiculous to me. Now,
don't get me wrong. I'm sure that there's science there
in psychology that I certainly don't understand. But the stuff
that mis Loftis was trying to pitch us was absolute trash.
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And the fact that she got smacked on the stand, well,
that just goes to show you. She was a paid
for gun right, a mercenary. This is what she does
for a living. She's making a lot of money doing it.
A source close to the Duke of York told The
Independent that he had always maintained his innocence and he
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had every right to probe Miss Roberts claims one hundred percent.
You should have a robust and strong defense, especially if
you're innocent. My biggest problem is it's very hard for
him to have any strategy here besides the one he's using.
He has painted himself into a corner, folks, And that's
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another reason why I call him the Joe Exotic of
the Windsor family. The dude's an absolute buffoon, an absolute buffoon,
and he has no one to blame but himself and Look,
let me tell you what if Singer and Brettler and
the company over there, Lavely Singer, they can't get you off,
then you definitely have to be guilty. Because we're talking
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again about high powered attorneys who have all kinds of
relationships built behind the scenes with prosecutors and judges and
these people they're you know, they're power brokers. But when
you see them resort to this strategy as well, and
it's Neanderthal right the way that they're going about it.
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There's no clinical precision here. There's no breaking down the
allegations against Prince Andrew one by one, line by line
and showing evidence that none of it's true. It's just
an all out assault, an overall assault on the character
of Virginia Roberts, and it's ridiculous. Now, don't get me wrong,
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he had one hundred percent has the right to defend himself.
I've said that from the beginning, and if he would
have done it from the jump instead of ducking and
dodging and hiding. Let's remember, Jeffrey Epstein first got arrested
a long long time ago, okay, and then after Jeffrey
Epstein was arrested, this man still chose to go and
hang out with him, stay the night at his house.
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I mean, what sort of adults are having sleepovers anyway?
But that's besides the point here. This is a man
who decided to go over there to Jeffrey Epstein's after
the conviction, decided to still continue to be part of
the dude's life. He could have stopped talking to Epstein
the second the guy was found guilty or was under
suspicion and come forward and spoke with investigators right away.
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But he didn't do that. So why should anyone think
that he's gonna do the noble thing or the honorable thing.
This is exactly what I expected from him. He's a
coward at heart, and he knows that he has no
good strategy left to him because he's painted himself into
the corner. The Duke is perfectly entitled to mount a
legitimate defense against Miss Robert's allegations, and yet trial by
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mob and media means he is accused of victim blaming
for pointing out inconsistencies and defects on the plaintiff's claims.
Well that's incorrect. See here's the thing. You should have
said that Virginia is a human trafficker. Okay, that's what
you said. You needed to add that to your whole defense,
like that's gonna paint her in a bad light and
convince people that you're telling the truth. Stop it again,
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line by line. You should have went through this and
answered it in a clinical fashion and tell us why
this stuff isn't true, using the legal system to do so.
Don't complain about child by mob, child by media, all
of that jazz. You're rich, you're famous, and you have
no problem when the media is carrying water for you.
You have no problem when they're pumping your your next project.
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But now all of a sudden you get caught being
the sick uncle touchy that you are, and now it's
a big problem. Oh the media, Oh the media. Yeah right,
all these people in the media swooned over you. They
loved you all the way up until twenty fifteen. Even
we all know about the Amy roboch interview that got
quashed because ABC didn't want to lose access to the
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royal family. So please stop it about the media. And
guess what. I've said this once and I'll say it
a thousand times. When we get together like this, now
it's like being at the water cooler at work in
the old days. This is the global world that we're
all connected now. You don't want to be the topic
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of conversation on podcasts. Here's an idea. Don't hang out
with jeff Epstein and don't sexually assault anybody. Pretty easy.
Maxwell was convicted of five counts of recruiting and grooming
young girls for the late pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, and faces
up to sixty years in prison when she is sentenced
(12:32):
in June. A little touch up on that. Maxwell and
her team have officially called for the retrial and said
that the juror wasn't honest the whole thing. There's not
enough information right now as far as long form for
us to do an episode on it, but I'm hoping
by tomorrow morning there's some more context there and we
can touch on that again, because that's the ongoing narrative
(12:56):
in the Maxwell trial right now. We have to wait
till we figure out what's going on with Juror fifty
before we get anywhere else there, So we'll see what's up.
There's a like I said a little bit more about
Maxwell's team and what they're talking about, but again they
filed this stuff under seal and the whole bunch of stuff,
(13:17):
So we'll get to that tomorrow tomorrow morning. Andrew sixty
one is being sued for emotional harm and battery by
Miss Roberts over allegation she was forced by Epstein to
have sex with the royal three times when she was
seventeen years old. The Duke of York has denied any
wrongdoing and suggested in illegal filing last week that Miss
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Roberts wrongful conduct would be used against her at trial.
So they're signaling what they're gonna do, right, They're gonna
try and paint her like she's Sarah kell and Vickers,
or like she's Gallain Maxwell. That's what they're gonna try
and do, an attempt to have the Jerry believe that
Virginia wasn't abused by Epstein. He was just another cog
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in the system. And it's gross on its face, it's disgusting,
and it's one of the more obscene strategies I've seen
from a legal team in quite some time. His attorneys
have also said they want to question Miss Robert's psychologist,
doctor Judas Judith Lightfoot, as she may suffer from false memories.
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I mean, like I said, just bring in Elizabeth waftis
we all know she's such an expert, so ridiculous, Oh,
misremembered memories. Is it that? Or is she, you know,
a human trafficker working for Epstein? Get your story straight.
Mister Cawthorne, who has written biographies of both Prince Andrew
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and Maxwell, said the royal appeared to be spending vast
sums of money for lawyers who seem to be putting
it straight in their pockets without helping in any way. Hey,
maybe Nigel listens to the podcast. How long have I
been saying that? That's exactly what it seems like to
me as well. And again, I'm not behind the scenes, right,
I don't know what these guys are doing every day,
what kind of specialists are being brought in. But let
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me tell you what. If I was spending that kind
of money on lawyers, I think I'd want you to
live with me. I need you to come stay in
my living room, bro, so I know what's going on
at all times. I mean, I would be that involved
in everything that's going on here. So it's insane to me,
and it always has been insane to me that This
is the best defense that they can mount. This is
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all they can come up with. And if that's the case,
then they are sunk folks. He has been seriously misadvised.
First of all, he went hid behind mummy skirt and
bal Moral and refused to have legal papers served on him,
And now they've adapted the same strategy that didn't work
for Glenn Maxwell. He said, And it's true. We all
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know he went and hit at bal Moral. We all
knew he was hiding under mummy's skirts because he can't
really face the music. The guy is detestable. Everything about
just makes me disgusted. If there is such a thing
as a false memory, I think she must be suffering
(16:08):
from it, as is Prince Andrew. He couldn't remember ever
meeting Virginia Roberts, and there are witnesses who have seen
them being together on at least five occasions. So again
it's another example of Prince Andrew telling us, Hey, I
want you to listen to what I have to say,
but what you really know is true. Don't listen to that.
Don't even pay attention to what you see, just listen
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to what I'm telling you. I mean, could there be
any more gaslighting going on. The Duke of York's attempts
to distance himself from Maxwell were strange given they're well
documented decades long friendship. He said, Maxwell and Epstein had
been guests at Windsor Castle End Balmoral in the late
nineteen nineties, and photographs of the pair cozying up at
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the queens Scottish estate were produced in evidence at her trial.
So remember this is during the time that Epstein and
Maxwell were active with their sex sprey, with their human
trafficking ring, and they're hanging out at Balmoral. They're at
the Queen's cabin in this picture. Here. Again, this guy
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has no defensible ground right. He is in an untenable situation.
You don't get invited to balmorl if you're not a
close friend. Mister Cawthorne told The Independent their whole attitude
beggar's belief. Mister Cawthorne wrote the twenty twenty bio biography
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Prince Andrew Epstein and the Palace, which charts Prince Andrew's
dissent from the royal who could do no wrong to
the pariah Prince and I haven't actually read this book yet,
but I'm gonna download it on Audible and add it
to the que because it's always interesting to hear from
people who have an inside take when it comes to
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things like the royal family, things that I don't really
know that much about. I'm always interested in learning something new,
especially if it helps, you know, push the the story
forward here as far as the overall investigation, the more
you know, the better off you are, he says. The
royals upbringing as the Queen's second son left him with
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only a bit part role to play in the monarchy.
If you're born behind palace gates and as soon as
you can walk and talk, everyone is bowing and scraping
and calling you your royal highness, you'll get a pretty
distorted view of the world, he said, Yeah, yeah, you think.
But what about the rest of them? I know that there,
you know, are the rest of them yelling at the gardeners?
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Are the rest of them hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein?
I mean maybe they are. Again, I don't know enough
about these people to really delve too deep. All I
can tell you is what I have learned researching Jeffrey
Epstein in his relationship with Prince Andrew. Then being the
spare as it were he doesn't really have a role.
Buckingham Palace cut ties with Prince Andrew and a urse
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sate released last month as he relinquished his military titles
and royal patronages. Now that Andrew was left to fight
the case as a private citizen, there would be questions
over how he could afford to pay his legal fees.
Mister Cawthorn added absolutely, and this is we talked about
this too. There were reports out I don't know, a
few months ago, maybe a little longer than that, even
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at this point that the Queen was paying two thousand
dollars an hour for his lawyers. Now I know since
then there have been reports saying the Queen isn't paying.
But do we really believe that these things can drag
on forever and the attorneys can make lots of money
out of you. The ongoing fallout could overshadow the Queen's
platinum Jewbilee celebrations. He added, one must feel sorry for
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his mum, who has led a blameless life and just
lost her husband. Hey, look, I do have empathy for
someone who loses her husband, especially an old woman like this.
She doesn't deserve to have to deal with this scumbag's nonsense.
But that said, I'm not just gonna, you know, release
her from all responsibility here. She's enabled his behavior for
way too long. At some point, you have to stop
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enabling the kid that's hanging out down in the basement
banging away on the computer all day eating Cheetos. You
gotta get a job, homie, at least go and mold
a lawn. Prince Andrew has known Maxwell since her university days,
he told News ninety twenty and nineteen. The pair were
regularly seen out socializing together in London and New York
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after his divorce from Sarah Ferguson in nineteen ninety six.
Prince Andrew was introduced to Epstein by Maxwell in the
early nineteen nineties. But they didn't know each other. They
never hung out. Maxwell and Prince Andrew. They weren't close,
they weren't friends. Come on, and here's the thing, folks.
If they're lying to us and those briefs, and they're
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lying about very basic things such as the relationship, what
else are they hiding. The Duke was a frequent flyer
on Epstein's private jet, the Lolita Express, and often stayed
with them at his men in townhouse in Private Island,
Little Saint James in the US Virgin Islands. Let's not
forget the trips to New Mexico. Why does everybody always
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want to leave New Mexico out of the story. I
don't understand. I truly don't understand. What is everybody so
afraid of down in Mexico. Epstein killed himself allegedly in
prison in twenty nineteen, aged sixty six, while awaiting his
own sex trafficking trial allegedly and Glenn Maxwell. Jeffrey Epstein
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in the World's Most Notorious Socialite by Nigel Cawthorn is
available from www. Dot hive, dot co dot uk, so
obviously this link will be in the description box. If
you want to check it out, maybe go pick up
mister Cawthorne's book and get more of a look behind
the curtain of the royal family. That is certainly an
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option for you. As for us and the show, that's
gonna do it for tonight, folks, I mean, what more
is there to say about this moron at this point
is ridiculous. It's not gonna work out well for him,
and to be honest with you, I can't wait to
see him go down in flames. If anyone deserves it,
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it sure is the smug prints of nothing. If you'd
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c c I. The link that we discussed can be
found in the description box. All right, folks, until tomorrow
What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
Hope everybody's having a great evening out there, and hopefully
you all had a great day as well. Tonight on
the program, we're going to talk a little bit more
about Prince Andrew and the strategy that him and his
team are employing. Now. One of the things I've been
(00:22):
talking about since he came out hot and heavy here
with the way he is going about his defense is
that it is not a good look and I don't
think it's going to be the proper strategy. When all
is said and done. We already have the blueprint of
Glenn Maxwell attempting this same strategy and it failing miserably.
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So why would Prince Andrew and his people think that
they're going to be able to pull it off? I
guess a lot of it has to do with the
hubris of his legal team. I mean, Bretler's no joke now,
this is He's in the same kind of situation as
you see with a couple of Maxwell's lawyers, right, Bretler
and Singer. These guys are the real deal, and they
(01:08):
have no problem getting down into the muck and fighting dirty.
That's how it works in Hollywood, that's how it goes,
and when you're dealing with lawyers like that, there is
no bounds that they're not willing to go to. On
the flip side of that, though, as the Prince of England,
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you have to be aware of the optics, right, And
I guess at this point things are so severe and
he's in such jeopardy that he doesn't even care what
the optics look like anymore. He's just basically fighting for
his life. So he tells Bretler and Singer and the
rest of them, Hey, do what you gotta do. And
while I don't think it's a very good strategy from
(01:51):
his point of view, for the rest of us who
are hoping for some justice here, who are hoping for
some more transparency and for some more documents to be
released to the public view, oh this is a good
idea because I don't think Judge Kaplan is gonna be
receptive to it, and I really do not think a
jury is going to be receptive to it. We've seen
(02:16):
the strategy employed by Maxwell, we saw this strategy employed
by Cosby, We've saw it employed by r. Kelly. And
while that might have worked in the past, with the
way things are now, with the current environment that we
find ourselves in, it's just not going to pass the
smell test. And for the money that Prince Andrew his
(02:38):
mom is spending on his legal team, you would think
that you'd be expecting a little bit more of a
you know, slick strategy. This is the strategy everybody expects. Right,
you got a great running back, Well, we all know
you're gonna run the ball, and that's what they're gonna
do here. They know that their only hope is to
(02:58):
discredit Virginia, is to try and destroy her story and
make her look like an absolute crank, right, like an
absolute psycho. That's their goal. They want to make her
have no credibility. You know, she's part of Epstein's operation.
She's a human trafficker herself. These are the things that
they're saying. These are the things they're going to continue
(03:20):
to say. And again, when he first employed this strategy,
I knew it was a bad idea. Today, in the
article we're going to talk about, we have a royal
biographer named Nigel Cawthorne who says the same exact thing.
This isn't you know, your run of the mill sexual
(03:41):
assault allegation. We're talking about the Queen of England's son.
This is a serious charge and this is a serious situation.
So it's going to just be brutal for Prince Andrew
if he continues on this path. If he continues with
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this sort of strategy and he attempts to destroy the
credibility of Virginia, especially trying to set it up and
paint her as part of Epstein's operation, it is just
not going to go over well. And when you have
royal biographers and historians saying the same thing, that signals
(04:23):
to me that Andrew is absolutely in panic mode and
this is the only option left to him. I mean, look,
you don't go nuclear unless that's your only option left, right,
And we know that he's in a spot now some
quicksand and he certainly doesn't look like he's going to
be pulling himself out of it anytime soon. So let's
(04:46):
see what Nigel Cawthorne has to say over here in
the Independent headline. Prince Andrew is following the same victim
blaming legal strategy as Glene Maxwell biographer says. And this
article was authored by I Guess staff over at Independent.
(05:08):
There's no author's name here. I'd like to credit the
author who wrote this piece, but I guess it's uh,
just the staff over at Independent. All right, So let's
dive in. Prince Andrew's attempts to survivor blame Virginia Roberts
while accusing her of having false memories. Shows that the
royal is being seriously misadvised. The biographer says, for sure, Look,
(05:30):
I'm certainly not a genius by any stretch of the imagination.
Right barely got through college. There's certainly not some guy
that's gonna sit around here and tell you that he
knows everything about everything. But when you take a look
at the way he went about this, the way he
has come out in an aggressive manner with no evidence
to back up his assertions, you don't need to be
(05:54):
you know, Robert Shapiro or you know, one of the
Supreme Court justices is to understand what's going on here
and that this was seriously misadvised. He needs to take
some humility here, and I know that's obviously out the
window because the way he's went about this from the beginning.
(06:15):
But if he would have went about this correctly from
the beginning, he could have avoided this whole firestorm. Sure
it would have sucked to get up there right in
the beginning and answer all of these questions and air
this all out. And if you didn't do what Virginia
accused you of doing, provide some evidence to that and
say demand right away, Hey, look, I want to clear
my name. I'm not hiding from this. He didn't do
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any of that. Instead, he acts like he doesn't even
know her, like the picture is fake and it is
really an absolute joke for him to think that he
is going to be able to get over with that
sort of narrative. Nigel Cawthorne told The Independent he was
(06:57):
surprised that Andrew was employing the same legal tactics in
his civil sexual assault case that Glain Maxwell's attorney's tried
during her sex trafficking trial. Attack their accusers' motives and
claim memories of abuse have become distorted over time. I mean,
what's next, Prince Andrew's gonna dredge up Elizabeth Loftis again,
and we're going to get more of the memory expert.
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I mean, you might as well get the dream therapist
from Nightmare on Elm Street three Dream Warriors to come
in that's how much I believe in all of that
nonsense fooey hooey stuff that is just ridiculous to me. Now,
don't get me wrong. I'm sure that there's science there
in psychology that I certainly don't understand. But the stuff
that mis Loftis was trying to pitch us was absolute trash.
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And the fact that she got smacked on the stand, well,
that just goes to show you. She was a paid
for gun right, a mercenary. This is what she does
for a living. She's making a lot of money doing it.
A source close to the Duke of York told The
Independent that he had always maintained his innocence and he
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had every right to probe Miss Roberts claims one hundred percent.
You should have a robust and strong defense, especially if
you're innocent. My biggest problem is it's very hard for
him to have any strategy here besides the one he's using.
He has painted himself into a corner, folks, And that's
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another reason why I call him the Joe Exotic of
the Windsor family. The dude's an absolute buffoon, an absolute buffoon,
and he has no one to blame but himself and Look,
let me tell you what if Singer and Brettler and
the company over there, Lavely Singer, they can't get you off,
then you definitely have to be guilty. Because we're talking
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again about high powered attorneys who have all kinds of
relationships built behind the scenes with prosecutors and judges and
these people they're you know, they're power brokers. But when
you see them resort to this strategy as well, and
it's Neanderthal right the way that they're going about it.
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There's no clinical precision here. There's no breaking down the
allegations against Prince Andrew one by one, line by line
and showing evidence that none of it's true. It's just
an all out assault, an overall assault on the character
of Virginia Roberts, and it's ridiculous. Now, don't get me wrong,
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he had one hundred percent has the right to defend himself.
I've said that from the beginning, and if he would
have done it from the jump instead of ducking and
dodging and hiding. Let's remember, Jeffrey Epstein first got arrested
a long long time ago, okay, and then after Jeffrey
Epstein was arrested, this man still chose to go and
hang out with him, stay the night at his house.
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I mean, what sort of adults are having sleepovers anyway?
But that's besides the point here. This is a man
who decided to go over there to Jeffrey Epstein's after
the conviction, decided to still continue to be part of
the dude's life. He could have stopped talking to Epstein
the second the guy was found guilty or was under
suspicion and come forward and spoke with investigators right away.
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But he didn't do that. So why should anyone think
that he's gonna do the noble thing or the honorable thing.
This is exactly what I expected from him. He's a
coward at heart, and he knows that he has no
good strategy left to him because he's painted himself into
the corner. The Duke is perfectly entitled to mount a
legitimate defense against Miss Robert's allegations, and yet trial by
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mob and media means he is accused of victim blaming
for pointing out inconsistencies and defects on the plaintiff's claims.
Well that's incorrect. See here's the thing. You should have
said that Virginia is a human trafficker. Okay, that's what
you said. You needed to add that to your whole defense,
like that's gonna paint her in a bad light and
convince people that you're telling the truth. Stop it again,
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line by line. You should have went through this and
answered it in a clinical fashion and tell us why
this stuff isn't true, using the legal system to do so.
Don't complain about child by mob, child by media, all
of that jazz. You're rich, you're famous, and you have
no problem when the media is carrying water for you.
You have no problem when they're pumping your your next project.
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But now all of a sudden you get caught being
the sick uncle touchy that you are, and now it's
a big problem. Oh the media, Oh the media. Yeah right,
all these people in the media swooned over you. They
loved you all the way up until twenty fifteen. Even
we all know about the Amy roboch interview that got
quashed because ABC didn't want to lose access to the
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royal family. So please stop it about the media. And
guess what. I've said this once and I'll say it
a thousand times. When we get together like this, now
it's like being at the water cooler at work in
the old days. This is the global world that we're
all connected now. You don't want to be the topic
(12:11):
of conversation on podcasts. Here's an idea. Don't hang out
with jeff Epstein and don't sexually assault anybody. Pretty easy.
Maxwell was convicted of five counts of recruiting and grooming
young girls for the late pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, and faces
up to sixty years in prison when she is sentenced
(12:32):
in June. A little touch up on that. Maxwell and
her team have officially called for the retrial and said
that the juror wasn't honest the whole thing. There's not
enough information right now as far as long form for
us to do an episode on it, but I'm hoping
by tomorrow morning there's some more context there and we
can touch on that again, because that's the ongoing narrative
(12:56):
in the Maxwell trial right now. We have to wait
till we figure out what's going on with Juror fifty
before we get anywhere else there, So we'll see what's up.
There's a like I said a little bit more about
Maxwell's team and what they're talking about, but again they
filed this stuff under seal and the whole bunch of stuff,
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So we'll get to that tomorrow tomorrow morning. Andrew sixty
one is being sued for emotional harm and battery by
Miss Roberts over allegation she was forced by Epstein to
have sex with the royal three times when she was
seventeen years old. The Duke of York has denied any
wrongdoing and suggested in illegal filing last week that Miss
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Roberts wrongful conduct would be used against her at trial.
So they're signaling what they're gonna do, right, They're gonna
try and paint her like she's Sarah kell and Vickers,
or like she's Gallain Maxwell. That's what they're gonna try
and do, an attempt to have the Jerry believe that
Virginia wasn't abused by Epstein. He was just another cog
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in the system. And it's gross on its face, it's disgusting,
and it's one of the more obscene strategies I've seen
from a legal team in quite some time. His attorneys
have also said they want to question Miss Robert's psychologist,
doctor Judas Judith Lightfoot, as she may suffer from false memories.
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I mean, like I said, just bring in Elizabeth waftis
we all know she's such an expert, so ridiculous, Oh,
misremembered memories. Is it that? Or is she, you know,
a human trafficker working for Epstein? Get your story straight.
Mister Cawthorne, who has written biographies of both Prince Andrew
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and Maxwell, said the royal appeared to be spending vast
sums of money for lawyers who seem to be putting
it straight in their pockets without helping in any way. Hey,
maybe Nigel listens to the podcast. How long have I
been saying that? That's exactly what it seems like to
me as well. And again, I'm not behind the scenes, right,
I don't know what these guys are doing every day,
what kind of specialists are being brought in. But let
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me tell you what. If I was spending that kind
of money on lawyers, I think I'd want you to
live with me. I need you to come stay in
my living room, bro, so I know what's going on
at all times. I mean, I would be that involved
in everything that's going on here. So it's insane to me,
and it always has been insane to me that This
is the best defense that they can mount. This is
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all they can come up with. And if that's the case,
then they are sunk folks. He has been seriously misadvised.
First of all, he went hid behind mummy skirt and
bal Moral and refused to have legal papers served on him,
And now they've adapted the same strategy that didn't work
for Glenn Maxwell. He said, And it's true. We all
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know he went and hit at bal Moral. We all
knew he was hiding under mummy's skirts because he can't
really face the music. The guy is detestable. Everything about
just makes me disgusted. If there is such a thing
as a false memory, I think she must be suffering
(16:08):
from it, as is Prince Andrew. He couldn't remember ever
meeting Virginia Roberts, and there are witnesses who have seen
them being together on at least five occasions. So again
it's another example of Prince Andrew telling us, Hey, I
want you to listen to what I have to say,
but what you really know is true. Don't listen to that.
Don't even pay attention to what you see, just listen
(16:29):
to what I'm telling you. I mean, could there be
any more gaslighting going on. The Duke of York's attempts
to distance himself from Maxwell were strange given they're well
documented decades long friendship. He said, Maxwell and Epstein had
been guests at Windsor Castle End Balmoral in the late
nineteen nineties, and photographs of the pair cozying up at
(16:52):
the queens Scottish estate were produced in evidence at her trial.
So remember this is during the time that Epstein and
Maxwell were active with their sex sprey, with their human
trafficking ring, and they're hanging out at Balmoral. They're at
the Queen's cabin in this picture. Here. Again, this guy
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has no defensible ground right. He is in an untenable situation.
You don't get invited to balmorl if you're not a
close friend. Mister Cawthorne told The Independent their whole attitude
beggar's belief. Mister Cawthorne wrote the twenty twenty bio biography
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Prince Andrew Epstein and the Palace, which charts Prince Andrew's
dissent from the royal who could do no wrong to
the pariah Prince and I haven't actually read this book yet,
but I'm gonna download it on Audible and add it
to the que because it's always interesting to hear from
people who have an inside take when it comes to
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things like the royal family, things that I don't really
know that much about. I'm always interested in learning something new,
especially if it helps, you know, push the the story
forward here as far as the overall investigation, the more
you know, the better off you are, he says. The
royals upbringing as the Queen's second son left him with
(18:16):
only a bit part role to play in the monarchy.
If you're born behind palace gates and as soon as
you can walk and talk, everyone is bowing and scraping
and calling you your royal highness, you'll get a pretty
distorted view of the world, he said, Yeah, yeah, you think.
But what about the rest of them? I know that there,
you know, are the rest of them yelling at the gardeners?
(18:38):
Are the rest of them hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein?
I mean maybe they are. Again, I don't know enough
about these people to really delve too deep. All I
can tell you is what I have learned researching Jeffrey
Epstein in his relationship with Prince Andrew. Then being the
spare as it were he doesn't really have a role.
Buckingham Palace cut ties with Prince Andrew and a urse
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sate released last month as he relinquished his military titles
and royal patronages. Now that Andrew was left to fight
the case as a private citizen, there would be questions
over how he could afford to pay his legal fees.
Mister Cawthorn added absolutely, and this is we talked about
this too. There were reports out I don't know, a
few months ago, maybe a little longer than that, even
(19:20):
at this point that the Queen was paying two thousand
dollars an hour for his lawyers. Now I know since
then there have been reports saying the Queen isn't paying.
But do we really believe that these things can drag
on forever and the attorneys can make lots of money
out of you. The ongoing fallout could overshadow the Queen's
platinum Jewbilee celebrations. He added, one must feel sorry for
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his mum, who has led a blameless life and just
lost her husband. Hey, look, I do have empathy for
someone who loses her husband, especially an old woman like this.
She doesn't deserve to have to deal with this scumbag's nonsense.
But that said, I'm not just gonna, you know, release
her from all responsibility here. She's enabled his behavior for
way too long. At some point, you have to stop
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enabling the kid that's hanging out down in the basement
banging away on the computer all day eating Cheetos. You
gotta get a job, homie, at least go and mold
a lawn. Prince Andrew has known Maxwell since her university days,
he told News ninety twenty and nineteen. The pair were
regularly seen out socializing together in London and New York
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after his divorce from Sarah Ferguson in nineteen ninety six.
Prince Andrew was introduced to Epstein by Maxwell in the
early nineteen nineties. But they didn't know each other. They
never hung out. Maxwell and Prince Andrew. They weren't close,
they weren't friends. Come on, and here's the thing, folks.
If they're lying to us and those briefs, and they're
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lying about very basic things such as the relationship, what
else are they hiding. The Duke was a frequent flyer
on Epstein's private jet, the Lolita Express, and often stayed
with them at his men in townhouse in Private Island,
Little Saint James in the US Virgin Islands. Let's not
forget the trips to New Mexico. Why does everybody always
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want to leave New Mexico out of the story. I
don't understand. I truly don't understand. What is everybody so
afraid of down in Mexico. Epstein killed himself allegedly in
prison in twenty nineteen, aged sixty six, while awaiting his
own sex trafficking trial allegedly and Glenn Maxwell. Jeffrey Epstein
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in the World's Most Notorious Socialite by Nigel Cawthorn is
available from www. Dot hive, dot co dot uk, so
obviously this link will be in the description box. If
you want to check it out, maybe go pick up
mister Cawthorne's book and get more of a look behind
the curtain of the royal family. That is certainly an
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option for you. As for us and the show, that's
gonna do it for tonight, folks, I mean, what more
is there to say about this moron at this point
is ridiculous. It's not gonna work out well for him,
and to be honest with you, I can't wait to
see him go down in flames. If anyone deserves it,
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it sure is the smug prints of nothing. If you'd
like to contact me, you can do that at Bobby
Kopuchi at ProtonMail dot com. That's b O B b
Y c A p U c c I at ProtonMail
dot com. You can also find me on Twitter at
b O B bu y underscore c A p U
(22:32):
c c I. The link that we discussed can be
found in the description box. All right, folks, until tomorrow
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