December 1, 2025 • 28 mins
After Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted on multiple federal counts related to sex trafficking and conspiracy, the court faced several paths forward regarding her legal fate. The most immediate option was formal sentencing, where Maxwell faced the possibility of decades in federal prison — effectively a life sentence given her age. The court also needed to evaluate victim impact statements, restitution requests, and sentencing guidelines to determine how severe the punishment should be. In addition, prosecutors were considering whether to pursue additional charges that had been held in reserve, including potential counts related to perjury from her civil testimony and unresolved allegations involving other survivors not included in the trial.
At the same time, the conviction opened the door to a series of post-trial legal options for the defense. Maxwell’s lawyers immediately signaled plans to appeal the verdict, arguing issues ranging from juror misconduct to claims that Maxwell was denied a fair trial due to excessive publicity and alleged improprieties in jury selection. Another possibility before the court was a motion for a new trial, rooted in revelations that one juror had disclosed personal experience with abuse only after deliberations concluded, sparking a review of whether that omission tainted the verdict. Ultimately, the court had to determine whether to uphold the conviction as delivered, order further hearings, or entertain a retrial — all while the world watched to see whether accountability would stand or money and influence would once again try to reshape justice.
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At the same time, the conviction opened the door to a series of post-trial legal options for the defense. Maxwell’s lawyers immediately signaled plans to appeal the verdict, arguing issues ranging from juror misconduct to claims that Maxwell was denied a fair trial due to excessive publicity and alleged improprieties in jury selection. Another possibility before the court was a motion for a new trial, rooted in revelations that one juror had disclosed personal experience with abuse only after deliberations concluded, sparking a review of whether that omission tainted the verdict. Ultimately, the court had to determine whether to uphold the conviction as delivered, order further hearings, or entertain a retrial — all while the world watched to see whether accountability would stand or money and influence would once again try to reshape justice.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
Hope that everybody's off to a great start to their
weekend and hopefully the rest of it is even better.
Last night we were talking about the fact that Carolyn,
one of the witnesses from the Glen Maxwell trial, corroborated
(00:22):
the fact that Virginia called her and told her about
her experience with Prince Andrew. And when we were discussing
that last night, we were talking about the settlement and
if this would you settle out of court maybe, And
it looks like Virginia wants nothing to do with that.
(00:42):
I said that last night as well. I thought that
perhaps she would want to see this all the way through.
And there's an article in the New York Post and
the headline is Prince Andrew's sex accuser wanted five million,
but will no longer accept a payout, And I kind
of figured that was the path we were on. This
(01:04):
is about something bigger for Virginia at this point, and
it's not you know, people will frame it, Oh, it's
about the money. It's about the settlement, and I think
it's well beyond that at this point. When we're discussing
Virginia Roberts. I think she's at the point where she
just wants to see this all the way through, and
(01:26):
her saying that she will not accept a payout at
this point definitely signals that. So it's gonna be interesting
to see what transpires here as far as this payout
or settlement or what the deal's going to be. But
it certainly looks like at this point that Prince Andrew
(01:47):
better have his trial pants on right. You know, he
talked about not wearing the right kid. I'm not wearing
the right kid around London to go to the ball. Well,
you better have the right kid on to go to court,
my friend, because it show looks like that's the path
you're on, and it sure looks like that's the trajectory
that we're all going to be experiencing, because according to
(02:09):
this article and just looking at Virginia's history right as
an outsider, it would signal that she is not interested
in the payout here, that she wants to go all
the way. So we're gonna jump into two articles this morning,
the one relatively short one here from the New York
Post talking about this payout, and the other one I
(02:30):
want to get to is the one I was telling
you that discusses the different scenarios for Maxwell once she's
in jail. How considering her crimes, she won't be at
a minimum security club fed type place, but more than
likely at like a medium security. So we're gonna touch
(02:51):
on that as well. But first, let's take a look
at this article from the New York Post and let's
see what Lee Brown has to say. Prince Andrew's sexecuser
wanted five million, but will no longer accept a payout.
Prince andrew sexecuser had sought five million dollars to settle
out of court, but will no longer accept a potential
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payout because she wants the case to go to trial,
according to a report, And like I said last night
when we were talking, I figured that this was the
case just from following Virginia's history and you know, seeing
the way that she has proceeded here, I I really
didn't have any doubt, honestly that she was going to
pursue this to the very end and really turned the
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heat up on Prince Andrew. Virginia Roberts assuing the sixty
one year old UK royal for allegedly having sex with
her three times, starting when she was just seventeen. That
makes it seem kind of like, you know, I they
just had sex and now she regrets it. It's not
the case. She was seventeen years old and she was
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flown to England by Jeffrey Epstein and Glene Maxwell with
the express purpose of having sex with Prince Andrew. That's
why she was brought there. Little seventeen year old girl.
Remember seventeen years old? Oh well, the age of consent
in England is sixteen. Yeah, guess what what if it
was your daughter? How would you feel then? Would it
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be the same thing? Would you still have the same
blase attitude about it? Somehow? I highly doubt it. Sources
told The Telegraph that she initially sought a settlement of
five million dollars from Andrew, ten times the five hundred
grand she got from Jeffrey Epstein, the late pedophile, who
she says ordered her to have disgusting sex with the Prince. Well,
(04:41):
Inflation's the son of a bit, isn't it. You got
all these wacky ass laying politicians out there telling us
how great inflation is for poor people. Yeah, okay, sure,
spoken like somebody who's never been poor before, and the
same goes for this. Oh well, it's ten times the
amount she got from Epstein, well ten years later, a
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whole bunch of years later. That's how it works, right,
And frankly, five millions not enough. Not only I would
sue him. If it was me, I would sue this
dude for the five million. I want the Crown Jewels
of England. I want Sandringham. I would go crazy. I'd
ask for all kinds of wild shit if it was me,
(05:22):
just to prove a point. But now, but now that
the case looks set to go to trial this year,
the longtime accuser is no longer willing to settle out
of court, the paper sources said. Robert's, a founder of
the nonprofit speak Out Act reclaim Sore helping sex trafficking survivors,
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wants to instead show the legal consequences for those praying
on young girls, The paper said, And look, this has
been Virginia's purpose and intent for quite some time. If
you just follow her posts on Twitter and what she
has to say there, she is, uh, you know, had enough.
It certainly would seem like she has had enough and
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there's no more retreating for her. It's biting down on
the mouthpiece and moving to the center of the octagon
to throw bombs at this point. And that's what you
have to do with bullies, right. You can't run from bullies.
You can't expect them to stop because they won't. The
only way to deal with a bully is to three
piece them up. That's it. It's the only way, and
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that's what Virginia is looking to do here, to piece
these dudes up. She believes that accepting a payout from
the scandal scarred son of Queen Elizabeth the ID would
not advance that message. The UK paper said, I agree,
it really wouldn't right. All it would do is open
the door for more people to try and you know,
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demean her and call her somebody who's just looking for
a payday, when in reality it's a lot more than that.
Her lawyer, David Boyce, previously confirmed that her cab had
offered the Royal the chance to enter a Toling agreement,
which would have given Andrew time to negotiate a settlement privately.
The Prince never accepted the offer and instead initially tried
(07:09):
to dodge getting served the Manhattan Court papers in the suit.
According to previous hearings and filings. Well, we remember that
old boy was duck and in dodging like rip Torn
was throwing wrenches at him. The dude's an absolute clown,
a joke, and an embarrassment to a great nation. I mean,
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I can't tell you how many great people I know
from the UK, and I can't tell you how many
of them were mortified by the behavior of this scoundrel
ass scumbag. His lawyers have since fought to get the
case against him dismissed, claiming that Robert's settlement with Epstein,
which was made public last week, also covers him from liability. Ah,
(07:52):
I thought you never met her. How could it cover
you for liability if you have never even met her?
Oh wait, that's right, you lied. You did meet her,
and you with her at Glen Maxwell's house, and you
were with her at tramp and you did have your
arm around her, and you can sweat Okay. So basically
what I'm trying to say here is you're a liar.
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As of Friday, Judge Lewis Kaplan had yet to issue
a decision on the motion, but at a hearing Tuesday,
the judge appeared to suggest the settlement was not clear
enough to keep the Prince from getting sued. Roberts for
years has insisted that Epstein and is now convicted madam
madam no co conspirator, fellow child abuser, general all around
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scuzbag Glian Maxwell forced her to have disgusting sex with
the Prince three times in London, New York, and on
Epstein's private island in the Caribbean. Andrew's legal team has
called the lawsuit baseless and said he unequivocally denies Robert's
false allegations against him. Well good, you're gonna have your
chance in court. It seems like, buddy, to defend yourself
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because it doesn't look like Virginia is interested in settling
out of court with your bitch ass. So buckle up, homie.
You better call your boy Marty Singer, you better hit
up Brettler, and you better get ready. Maxwell was convicted
of sex trafficking and other charges December twenty ninth in
Manhattan Federal Court and faces up to sixty five years
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in prison. She was accused of procuring victims for her
buddy Epstein and engaging in some of the abuse as well. Well.
At least they're getting that right. Nowadays the papers are
at least saying she was taking part in the abuse. Now,
I guess one step out of time, huh. Her lawyers
are now pushing for a mistrial after two jurors have
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admitted swaying deliberations with tales of their own childhood abuse
that they may not have declared before being picked for
the panel. Epstein killed himself in a Manhattan jail cell,
allegedly in August twenty nineteen, while awaiting trial on sex
trafficking charges. So I wanted to touch on this article
just real quick, because we brought us up last night
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and I was just taking a shot in the dark here,
taking a guess when I said I didn't think that
Virginia was going to be interested in a payout here,
and that she'd be interested in going all the way.
And I just I wake up this morning and I
see this article. So I figured we'd add this to
the front end of the other article I had ready
for us to go. So it gives a little bit
(10:23):
more context, right, and a little bit more of an
idea of where Virginia is and what her game plan
is going to be. And I'll tell you what, folks,
I cannot wait for this to go to trial. All right,
so let's check out our next article. This article is
from Fortune dot com and the authors are Bob van Vories,
(10:46):
Chris Dolmich, and Bloomberg. Headline, Glenn Maxwell's prison won't be
like the Camp Cupcake where Martha Stewart served her sentence.
Glenn Max well as high society days are over as
she faces years in a prison that's likely to be
harsher than the so called Camp Cupcake prison where Martha
(11:09):
Stewart served. Now, there's all kinds of different prisons, as
you well know, you have high security, maximum security prisons,
medium security prisons, low security prisons, prison camps, all kinds
of wild stuff. And Martha Stewart was able to serve
her sentence at a low security camp where you know
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it's like a dormitory style setting, and you know it's
very lax, if you will, if prison can be laxed,
but there's no like regulations like there are in a
high security facility where you know you're only out on
the yard for so little amount of time, that kind
of thing, whereas at a low security place you have
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a lot more freedom. And in some of these places
there aren't even fences around these camps now. I know
when I I went and visited people I care about
at a federal lockup in Lompoc, they were at a
low security portion of the prison, and they could have
literally walked right out of the jail if they wanted to.
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But then when you get caught, and you will get caught,
you go to a hire security facility after that to
serve out the rest of your term, plus whatever they
tack on for you walking out of the facility. So
that's kind of a deterrent for people at these low
security facilities to not leave right They don't want to
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get any years tagged onto it, and they don't want
to go and do hard time. I know, if I
was going to prison or jail or whatever, I'd much
prefer to go to one of these camps. But when
you have the charges that Maxwell has, and you've been
convicted of what Maxwell has been convicted of, you're not
going to Camp Cupcake. You're going to at least a
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medium security level facility, and things are gonna be a
lot tougher on her, a lot more regimented. Maxwell, the
ex socialite co conspirator general all around scusbag of disgraced
financier pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, was convicted Wednesday on five counts
tied to sexual abuse, including the most serious charge of
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sex trafficking of a minor, which carries a maximum sentence
of forty years. Because she was convicted of sex crimes,
Maxwell won't be assigned to a minimum security prison camp
like the one in Alderson, West Virginia that house Stuart,
with a dormitory style housing and limited fencing, according to
prison consultant Justin Paperney. And that's what I was just
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talking about. It's like you'd be shocked, right. I was
under the impression that jail or prison, you know, was
like you see in the movies. Then when I went
and visited the people that I went to see while
they were doing their sentence, it was a kind of,
you know, shocking to me that they could have literally
just walked out of the facility if they wanted. Alderson
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has been called Camp Cupcake by critics who faulted for
its custody conditions and activities that include progressive relaxation. Well,
I don't know about all of that, but I'm a
big fan of rehabilitation. While people are in prison, and
especially if you're in there for nonviolent crimes. What we
should throw people who were arrested for nonviolent crimes right
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into the mix with the rest of the act, the
real scumbags of the world. Nah, I don't think that's
the right way to go about things either. Now, progressive relaxation,
I don't know what that even means, to be honest
with you, So I can't tell you if I agree
with it or not. But I am a fan of
rehabilitation when people are in prison, except for the most
heinoused of crimes, right these kinds of sex crimes or
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you're a murderer. Look, you can't rehabilitate from stuff like that.
So if Maxwell is given closer to the high end
of what she faces, she'll likely end up in a
medium security prison. According to Paperni, who runs White Collar Advice,
which advises clients facing prison, she's imagine, imagine you're facing
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prison and you got to call this guy and get
a game plan on what you should do when you
get to the whoscal forget it. I mean, I don't
even know what I would do. I don't even like
being confined, you know, at my desk for eight hours,
never mind being in jail or a prison cell. It
seems like the most terrifying thing in the world to me, honestly,
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having my freedom freedom taken. I can't even imagine. She
is probably in shock and will be for some time,
said Ingrid let Her house Oaken, a former executive at
Tiffany and Company who spent ten months at Alderson after
admitting to stealing from the company. With proper counseling, she
can make her sentence productive if she focuses on giving back,
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meaning helping others and taking fuller responsibility for her actions. Nah,
this again, this isn't a white collar crime. This isn't
somebody who stole a couple of bucks, somebody who stole
people's lives. Literally, this lady is a life vampire, and
I don't care what she does while she's in there.
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There's nothing that can take back what she did. She
needs to do the full sentence, whatever that may be.
Maxwell's attorney said late Wednesday that she will appeal the verdict.
Maxwell's trial judge didn't set a sentencing date for the
for Maxwell, who still faces trial on two perjury counts.
That trial hasn't been scheduled The decision where to house
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Maxwell will be up to the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
The Bureau doesn't comment on individual cases, but factors considered
in assigning inmates include the security and supervision the inmate requires,
any medical or programming needs, separation and security measures to
ensure the inmate's protection, and other considerations including proximity to
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an individual's release residence. According to spokesman Donald Murphy, Yeah,
that's nice in a concept, right, How often do they
practice it? Though? I know my loved ones were scattered
all over the country, so I mean, maybe they help
people like Maxwell get a put someplace close to home,
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but when it comes to the rest of us, forget it.
Inmates and higher security facilities are generally confined to cells
rather than rooms and endure more intense security procedures. Those
prisons tend to house people who are convicted of more
serious crimes, have longer prison sentences, and are more prone
to violence. So again, if you're somebody like Maxwell, you
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beyond all measure want to get to a low security facility.
She's not built for this life. What She's gonna hit
the r and she's gonna g up. Someone's gonna check her,
and she's gonna ge up and chin check that person.
Yeah right, she's gonna walk in. She's not gonna have
her paperwork hooped, none of it, and she's gonna get
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exploited and beat up and who knows what else. That's
if she's on the general yard. She's not gonna hit
the general line though. See during the whole entire lead
up to the trial, her team kept talking about how
she wanted to be in a general population and I
laughed and laughed and laughed and mocked them for that.
So I want to see how quickly they're talking about
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general population when she gets the prison. Somehow, I doubt
they're going to bring it up. They're gonna want her
and protective custody. Oh, she's a high level inmate all
of a sudden, she needs to be protected, That's what
they'll say, And I get it. I agree, but let's
be real. Still, anywhere she goes will likely be an
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upgrade from the Brooklyn Federal Lockup, where she's been held
since charge in July twenty twenty with helping Epstein sexually
abuse underage girls prior to her conviction. Maxwell, the daughter
of the British media tycoon Robert Maxwell made numerous complaints
about her conditions at the Metropolitan Detention Center, a jail
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that federal investigators have deemed among the worst in the
US Bureau of Prison systems. Well, guess what, play stupid games,
win stupid prizes. Where did you think you were going
to go and do your jail time? You thought you
were going to hang out at the Waldorf And you're
pay for your security to protect you around the clock
while you sit around and need bond bonds. Wrong, enjoy
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the MDC and all of the shittiness of it, because
guess what. How many countless people have been through those doors,
how many countless people have sat in those same jail cells.
It's just the way it goes, Glenn Maxwell. These are
the rules you and your friends have put on the books,
right you and all your powerful buddies in DC. Well,
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you reap what you sew, don't you. She's enduring arguably
the worst and filthiest prison in the country. It's a jail,
not a prison, said Paperny. Wherever she serves her time
will feel like Disneyland compared to where she is right now.
I don't believe that for a second. When you're in
this lock up, there's the hope that you're getting out
and going home at some point when you go to
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this prison and that you know, gate closes. Oh, it's
a rap for you. It's all been a startling turn
for Maxwell, who was arrested at a million dollars one
hundred and fifty six acre estate in New Hampshire and
own the New York City townhouse that's sold in twenty
sixteen for about fifteen million, as well as a London
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home in Belgravia. Federal investigators found that MDC prisoners have
been beaten, raped, and held in inhumane conditions. Maxwell has
complained about being held in solitary confinement under twenty four
hour surveillance and being awakened every few hours each night.
I mean, that would be the least of her problems,
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right If she was on the general line, she'd be exploited, extorted,
you name it. She said. Conditions left are exhausted and
unable to properly help prepare her defense. Of the one
hundred and fifty seven thousand, five hundred inmates currently in
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the federal prison system, fewer than eleven thousand, around seven
percent are women. According to the Bureau of Prisons. Of
its one hundred and twenty two prison facilities in the US,
only twenty nine house women, and eleven of those are
short term lockups like the MDC where Maxwell was held
for trial. Her future home will be based on the
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classification she receives from federal prison officials, said Jack Dohnson,
a prison consultant who worked for the Bureau of Prisons
for more than twenty three years. That will depend, in
part on the length of her sentence and a determination
by prison authorities whether Maxwell, who has a US, UK
and French citizenship, presents a risk to escape. Now. As
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much as I want to pile on here a risk
to escape, I highly doubt that now. A risk to
run and a risk to try and avoid charges, definitely,
but we're not I mean, she's not Andy Dufrayne, right,
She's not digging a hole through the wall and climbing
through the septic system anytime soon. So that's probably the
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last of my concerns when it comes to Maxwell. If
Maxwell has given a more lenient sentence, she may be
headed to the low security federal prison in Danbury, Connecticut,
known for housing Orange is the new black author Piper
Kerman and reality television star Teresa Judas said, Paperny, Yeah,
that's one of the prison in Danberry is notorious for that.
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You see a couple of mob guys that have been
through there, you know that kind of deal. But Dohnson
said the Bureau will likely a sign of famous convict
like Maxwell to a secure facility away from a major city,
making the Danburry Prison not far from New York less likely.
They're never going to put her near New York or anywhere.
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You're going to have reporters camping out on the road.
He said, Well, this is America. Anyone can get to anywhere.
I get the idea that it's a lot easier to
access Danberry than it is to say, Lompok. But wherever
she goes, there's going to be the media following. The
differences between a minimum security camp and low security Federal
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Correctional Institution or FCI can be dramatic, said Larry Levine,
founder of Wall Street Prison Consultants, who served more than
ten years in federal prison and now advises convicted criminals
on how to survive incarceration. I've had several friends due
time in federal prison and every single one of them
has come back and said it was a miserable experience.
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I can't even imagine years, no thank you. Camps often
have a relatively high proportion of non violent white collar offenders,
and violence is rare. Violence is more likely in fcis,
which can house bank robbers, drug dealers, and people convicted
of sex crimes. So while camps don't have perimeter fences
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or armed security, fcis have two secured barbed wire fences
with roving armed security. He said, the doors to camp
housing unit doors are never locked, a contrast to fcis,
where inmates are locked in at night. And that's I
was trying to make that comparison earlier to you folks.
It really is night and day between the low security
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and medium security even and when I talked to my
family members and friends who would serve time in federal facilities,
they told me themselves the huge difference between minimum and
even medium, and how it was much more or enjoyable,
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if anything can be enjoyable to be on the low
security yard. Several consultants said Maxwell's notoriety and nature of
her crime helping Epstein victimize teenage girls may make her
a target if she is still in denial that she
did not contribute to the actions taken by herself and
mister Epstein. She will be a pariah both inside and
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outside of the prison, said letter Has o'cun, who consults
for white collar advice. Maxwell's education, wealth, and former jet
setting lifestyle will set her apart for most inmates. She said,
for sure, she's gonna get exploited if she's on the yard, folks,
There's no doubt about it. Jeffrey Epstein was in the
holding cell for what a few weeks, and he was
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being exploited. You gotta remember, these prisoners have all day
to sit around and come up with ways and plots
and different scams, and that's what they do. While Maxwell
will have an advantage because of her access to cash
for food, clothing, makeup, and running shoes that other inmates
can't afford, this can cause jealousy in others. Let her house.
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O'coon said. Maxwell will likely be assigned a job well
where she'll make a paltry twelve to fourteen cents an hour.
Do it and don't complain. Let her house. Oaken advised
the worst thing she could do is whine about her situation.
That is for sure. If you go to prison and
you start whining and acting the fool crying about your circumstances,
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you're in for it. And Glenn Maxwell, she better hope
she goes to one of these low security facilities. Folks.
I've been saying it from the jump. None of these
people are built for this. These people aren't from the street.
They're not criminals in the sense of the word that
you expect when you hear about prison. These are cowards
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who victimized young girls and vulnerable people. And when they
get to prison, well guess what the hunter becomes the
hunted Because these kinds of crimes they don't go over
very well in prison, folks. And somebody like Alane Maxwell
with access to all this money and affluence, you got
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to know from the beginning she is going to be extorted, exploited,
and the rest of it if she's put on the
main line. So I would expect lan Maxwell to end
up in some kind of you know, secure setting as
far as the shoe or protective custody, not on the
main line. And depending on what the charges are, I mean,
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the sentencing is obviously I'm guessing she's gonna end up
in a medium security facility. But when you have her money,
you never know. So there you have it, folks. That's
the article I was telling you about a couple of
days ago. I wanted to just touch on that real
quick to get an idea and give you folks an
idea of what might be coming next for Maxwell as
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far as her incarceration. So thats going to do it
for me this morning, and there will be more
What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
Hope that everybody's off to a great start to their
weekend and hopefully the rest of it is even better.
Last night we were talking about the fact that Carolyn,
one of the witnesses from the Glen Maxwell trial, corroborated
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the fact that Virginia called her and told her about
her experience with Prince Andrew. And when we were discussing
that last night, we were talking about the settlement and
if this would you settle out of court maybe, And
it looks like Virginia wants nothing to do with that.
(00:42):
I said that last night as well. I thought that
perhaps she would want to see this all the way through.
And there's an article in the New York Post and
the headline is Prince Andrew's sex accuser wanted five million,
but will no longer accept a payout, And I kind
of figured that was the path we were on. This
(01:04):
is about something bigger for Virginia at this point, and
it's not you know, people will frame it, Oh, it's
about the money. It's about the settlement, and I think
it's well beyond that at this point. When we're discussing
Virginia Roberts. I think she's at the point where she
just wants to see this all the way through, and
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her saying that she will not accept a payout at
this point definitely signals that. So it's gonna be interesting
to see what transpires here as far as this payout
or settlement or what the deal's going to be. But
it certainly looks like at this point that Prince Andrew
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better have his trial pants on right. You know, he
talked about not wearing the right kid. I'm not wearing
the right kid around London to go to the ball. Well,
you better have the right kid on to go to court,
my friend, because it show looks like that's the path
you're on, and it sure looks like that's the trajectory
that we're all going to be experiencing, because according to
(02:09):
this article and just looking at Virginia's history right as
an outsider, it would signal that she is not interested
in the payout here, that she wants to go all
the way. So we're gonna jump into two articles this morning,
the one relatively short one here from the New York
Post talking about this payout, and the other one I
(02:30):
want to get to is the one I was telling
you that discusses the different scenarios for Maxwell once she's
in jail. How considering her crimes, she won't be at
a minimum security club fed type place, but more than
likely at like a medium security. So we're gonna touch
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on that as well. But first, let's take a look
at this article from the New York Post and let's
see what Lee Brown has to say. Prince Andrew's sexecuser
wanted five million, but will no longer accept a payout.
Prince andrew sexecuser had sought five million dollars to settle
out of court, but will no longer accept a potential
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payout because she wants the case to go to trial,
according to a report, And like I said last night
when we were talking, I figured that this was the
case just from following Virginia's history and you know, seeing
the way that she has proceeded here, I I really
didn't have any doubt, honestly that she was going to
pursue this to the very end and really turned the
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heat up on Prince Andrew. Virginia Roberts assuing the sixty
one year old UK royal for allegedly having sex with
her three times, starting when she was just seventeen. That
makes it seem kind of like, you know, I they
just had sex and now she regrets it. It's not
the case. She was seventeen years old and she was
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flown to England by Jeffrey Epstein and Glene Maxwell with
the express purpose of having sex with Prince Andrew. That's
why she was brought there. Little seventeen year old girl.
Remember seventeen years old? Oh well, the age of consent
in England is sixteen. Yeah, guess what what if it
was your daughter? How would you feel then? Would it
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be the same thing? Would you still have the same
blase attitude about it? Somehow? I highly doubt it. Sources
told The Telegraph that she initially sought a settlement of
five million dollars from Andrew, ten times the five hundred
grand she got from Jeffrey Epstein, the late pedophile, who
she says ordered her to have disgusting sex with the Prince. Well,
(04:41):
Inflation's the son of a bit, isn't it. You got
all these wacky ass laying politicians out there telling us
how great inflation is for poor people. Yeah, okay, sure,
spoken like somebody who's never been poor before, and the
same goes for this. Oh well, it's ten times the
amount she got from Epstein, well ten years later, a
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whole bunch of years later. That's how it works, right,
And frankly, five millions not enough. Not only I would
sue him. If it was me, I would sue this
dude for the five million. I want the Crown Jewels
of England. I want Sandringham. I would go crazy. I'd
ask for all kinds of wild shit if it was me,
(05:22):
just to prove a point. But now, but now that
the case looks set to go to trial this year,
the longtime accuser is no longer willing to settle out
of court, the paper sources said. Robert's, a founder of
the nonprofit speak Out Act reclaim Sore helping sex trafficking survivors,
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wants to instead show the legal consequences for those praying
on young girls, The paper said, And look, this has
been Virginia's purpose and intent for quite some time. If
you just follow her posts on Twitter and what she
has to say there, she is, uh, you know, had enough.
It certainly would seem like she has had enough and
(06:04):
there's no more retreating for her. It's biting down on
the mouthpiece and moving to the center of the octagon
to throw bombs at this point. And that's what you
have to do with bullies, right. You can't run from bullies.
You can't expect them to stop because they won't. The
only way to deal with a bully is to three
piece them up. That's it. It's the only way, and
(06:26):
that's what Virginia is looking to do here, to piece
these dudes up. She believes that accepting a payout from
the scandal scarred son of Queen Elizabeth the ID would
not advance that message. The UK paper said, I agree,
it really wouldn't right. All it would do is open
the door for more people to try and you know,
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demean her and call her somebody who's just looking for
a payday, when in reality it's a lot more than that.
Her lawyer, David Boyce, previously confirmed that her cab had
offered the Royal the chance to enter a Toling agreement,
which would have given Andrew time to negotiate a settlement privately.
The Prince never accepted the offer and instead initially tried
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to dodge getting served the Manhattan Court papers in the suit.
According to previous hearings and filings. Well, we remember that
old boy was duck and in dodging like rip Torn
was throwing wrenches at him. The dude's an absolute clown,
a joke, and an embarrassment to a great nation. I mean,
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I can't tell you how many great people I know
from the UK, and I can't tell you how many
of them were mortified by the behavior of this scoundrel
ass scumbag. His lawyers have since fought to get the
case against him dismissed, claiming that Robert's settlement with Epstein,
which was made public last week, also covers him from liability. Ah,
(07:52):
I thought you never met her. How could it cover
you for liability if you have never even met her?
Oh wait, that's right, you lied. You did meet her,
and you with her at Glen Maxwell's house, and you
were with her at tramp and you did have your
arm around her, and you can sweat Okay. So basically
what I'm trying to say here is you're a liar.
(08:14):
As of Friday, Judge Lewis Kaplan had yet to issue
a decision on the motion, but at a hearing Tuesday,
the judge appeared to suggest the settlement was not clear
enough to keep the Prince from getting sued. Roberts for
years has insisted that Epstein and is now convicted madam
madam no co conspirator, fellow child abuser, general all around
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scuzbag Glian Maxwell forced her to have disgusting sex with
the Prince three times in London, New York, and on
Epstein's private island in the Caribbean. Andrew's legal team has
called the lawsuit baseless and said he unequivocally denies Robert's
false allegations against him. Well good, you're gonna have your
chance in court. It seems like, buddy, to defend yourself
(08:56):
because it doesn't look like Virginia is interested in settling
out of court with your bitch ass. So buckle up, homie.
You better call your boy Marty Singer, you better hit
up Brettler, and you better get ready. Maxwell was convicted
of sex trafficking and other charges December twenty ninth in
Manhattan Federal Court and faces up to sixty five years
(09:18):
in prison. She was accused of procuring victims for her
buddy Epstein and engaging in some of the abuse as well. Well.
At least they're getting that right. Nowadays the papers are
at least saying she was taking part in the abuse. Now,
I guess one step out of time, huh. Her lawyers
are now pushing for a mistrial after two jurors have
(09:39):
admitted swaying deliberations with tales of their own childhood abuse
that they may not have declared before being picked for
the panel. Epstein killed himself in a Manhattan jail cell,
allegedly in August twenty nineteen, while awaiting trial on sex
trafficking charges. So I wanted to touch on this article
just real quick, because we brought us up last night
(10:01):
and I was just taking a shot in the dark here,
taking a guess when I said I didn't think that
Virginia was going to be interested in a payout here,
and that she'd be interested in going all the way.
And I just I wake up this morning and I
see this article. So I figured we'd add this to
the front end of the other article I had ready
for us to go. So it gives a little bit
(10:23):
more context, right, and a little bit more of an
idea of where Virginia is and what her game plan
is going to be. And I'll tell you what, folks,
I cannot wait for this to go to trial. All right,
so let's check out our next article. This article is
from Fortune dot com and the authors are Bob van Vories,
(10:46):
Chris Dolmich, and Bloomberg. Headline, Glenn Maxwell's prison won't be
like the Camp Cupcake where Martha Stewart served her sentence.
Glenn Max well as high society days are over as
she faces years in a prison that's likely to be
harsher than the so called Camp Cupcake prison where Martha
(11:09):
Stewart served. Now, there's all kinds of different prisons, as
you well know, you have high security, maximum security prisons,
medium security prisons, low security prisons, prison camps, all kinds
of wild stuff. And Martha Stewart was able to serve
her sentence at a low security camp where you know
(11:29):
it's like a dormitory style setting, and you know it's
very lax, if you will, if prison can be laxed,
but there's no like regulations like there are in a
high security facility where you know you're only out on
the yard for so little amount of time, that kind
of thing, whereas at a low security place you have
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a lot more freedom. And in some of these places
there aren't even fences around these camps now. I know
when I I went and visited people I care about
at a federal lockup in Lompoc, they were at a
low security portion of the prison, and they could have
literally walked right out of the jail if they wanted to.
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But then when you get caught, and you will get caught,
you go to a hire security facility after that to
serve out the rest of your term, plus whatever they
tack on for you walking out of the facility. So
that's kind of a deterrent for people at these low
security facilities to not leave right They don't want to
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get any years tagged onto it, and they don't want
to go and do hard time. I know, if I
was going to prison or jail or whatever, I'd much
prefer to go to one of these camps. But when
you have the charges that Maxwell has, and you've been
convicted of what Maxwell has been convicted of, you're not
going to Camp Cupcake. You're going to at least a
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medium security level facility, and things are gonna be a
lot tougher on her, a lot more regimented. Maxwell, the
ex socialite co conspirator general all around scusbag of disgraced
financier pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, was convicted Wednesday on five counts
tied to sexual abuse, including the most serious charge of
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sex trafficking of a minor, which carries a maximum sentence
of forty years. Because she was convicted of sex crimes,
Maxwell won't be assigned to a minimum security prison camp
like the one in Alderson, West Virginia that house Stuart,
with a dormitory style housing and limited fencing, according to
prison consultant Justin Paperney. And that's what I was just
(13:43):
talking about. It's like you'd be shocked, right. I was
under the impression that jail or prison, you know, was
like you see in the movies. Then when I went
and visited the people that I went to see while
they were doing their sentence, it was a kind of,
you know, shocking to me that they could have literally
just walked out of the facility if they wanted. Alderson
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has been called Camp Cupcake by critics who faulted for
its custody conditions and activities that include progressive relaxation. Well,
I don't know about all of that, but I'm a
big fan of rehabilitation. While people are in prison, and
especially if you're in there for nonviolent crimes. What we
should throw people who were arrested for nonviolent crimes right
(14:28):
into the mix with the rest of the act, the
real scumbags of the world. Nah, I don't think that's
the right way to go about things either. Now, progressive relaxation,
I don't know what that even means, to be honest
with you, So I can't tell you if I agree
with it or not. But I am a fan of
rehabilitation when people are in prison, except for the most
heinoused of crimes, right these kinds of sex crimes or
(14:50):
you're a murderer. Look, you can't rehabilitate from stuff like that.
So if Maxwell is given closer to the high end
of what she faces, she'll likely end up in a
medium security prison. According to Paperni, who runs White Collar Advice,
which advises clients facing prison, she's imagine, imagine you're facing
(15:12):
prison and you got to call this guy and get
a game plan on what you should do when you
get to the whoscal forget it. I mean, I don't
even know what I would do. I don't even like
being confined, you know, at my desk for eight hours,
never mind being in jail or a prison cell. It
seems like the most terrifying thing in the world to me, honestly,
(15:35):
having my freedom freedom taken. I can't even imagine. She
is probably in shock and will be for some time,
said Ingrid let Her house Oaken, a former executive at
Tiffany and Company who spent ten months at Alderson after
admitting to stealing from the company. With proper counseling, she
can make her sentence productive if she focuses on giving back,
(15:58):
meaning helping others and taking fuller responsibility for her actions. Nah,
this again, this isn't a white collar crime. This isn't
somebody who stole a couple of bucks, somebody who stole
people's lives. Literally, this lady is a life vampire, and
I don't care what she does while she's in there.
(16:18):
There's nothing that can take back what she did. She
needs to do the full sentence, whatever that may be.
Maxwell's attorney said late Wednesday that she will appeal the verdict.
Maxwell's trial judge didn't set a sentencing date for the
for Maxwell, who still faces trial on two perjury counts.
That trial hasn't been scheduled The decision where to house
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Maxwell will be up to the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
The Bureau doesn't comment on individual cases, but factors considered
in assigning inmates include the security and supervision the inmate requires,
any medical or programming needs, separation and security measures to
ensure the inmate's protection, and other considerations including proximity to
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an individual's release residence. According to spokesman Donald Murphy, Yeah,
that's nice in a concept, right, How often do they
practice it? Though? I know my loved ones were scattered
all over the country, so I mean, maybe they help
people like Maxwell get a put someplace close to home,
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but when it comes to the rest of us, forget it.
Inmates and higher security facilities are generally confined to cells
rather than rooms and endure more intense security procedures. Those
prisons tend to house people who are convicted of more
serious crimes, have longer prison sentences, and are more prone
to violence. So again, if you're somebody like Maxwell, you
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beyond all measure want to get to a low security facility.
She's not built for this life. What She's gonna hit
the r and she's gonna g up. Someone's gonna check her,
and she's gonna ge up and chin check that person.
Yeah right, she's gonna walk in. She's not gonna have
her paperwork hooped, none of it, and she's gonna get
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exploited and beat up and who knows what else. That's
if she's on the general yard. She's not gonna hit
the general line though. See during the whole entire lead
up to the trial, her team kept talking about how
she wanted to be in a general population and I
laughed and laughed and laughed and mocked them for that.
So I want to see how quickly they're talking about
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general population when she gets the prison. Somehow, I doubt
they're going to bring it up. They're gonna want her
and protective custody. Oh, she's a high level inmate all
of a sudden, she needs to be protected, That's what
they'll say, And I get it. I agree, but let's
be real. Still, anywhere she goes will likely be an
(18:56):
upgrade from the Brooklyn Federal Lockup, where she's been held
since charge in July twenty twenty with helping Epstein sexually
abuse underage girls prior to her conviction. Maxwell, the daughter
of the British media tycoon Robert Maxwell made numerous complaints
about her conditions at the Metropolitan Detention Center, a jail
(19:16):
that federal investigators have deemed among the worst in the
US Bureau of Prison systems. Well, guess what, play stupid games,
win stupid prizes. Where did you think you were going
to go and do your jail time? You thought you
were going to hang out at the Waldorf And you're
pay for your security to protect you around the clock
while you sit around and need bond bonds. Wrong, enjoy
(19:39):
the MDC and all of the shittiness of it, because
guess what. How many countless people have been through those doors,
how many countless people have sat in those same jail cells.
It's just the way it goes, Glenn Maxwell. These are
the rules you and your friends have put on the books,
right you and all your powerful buddies in DC. Well,
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you reap what you sew, don't you. She's enduring arguably
the worst and filthiest prison in the country. It's a jail,
not a prison, said Paperny. Wherever she serves her time
will feel like Disneyland compared to where she is right now.
I don't believe that for a second. When you're in
this lock up, there's the hope that you're getting out
and going home at some point when you go to
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this prison and that you know, gate closes. Oh, it's
a rap for you. It's all been a startling turn
for Maxwell, who was arrested at a million dollars one
hundred and fifty six acre estate in New Hampshire and
own the New York City townhouse that's sold in twenty
sixteen for about fifteen million, as well as a London
(20:43):
home in Belgravia. Federal investigators found that MDC prisoners have
been beaten, raped, and held in inhumane conditions. Maxwell has
complained about being held in solitary confinement under twenty four
hour surveillance and being awakened every few hours each night.
I mean, that would be the least of her problems,
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right If she was on the general line, she'd be exploited, extorted,
you name it. She said. Conditions left are exhausted and
unable to properly help prepare her defense. Of the one
hundred and fifty seven thousand, five hundred inmates currently in
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the federal prison system, fewer than eleven thousand, around seven
percent are women. According to the Bureau of Prisons. Of
its one hundred and twenty two prison facilities in the US,
only twenty nine house women, and eleven of those are
short term lockups like the MDC where Maxwell was held
for trial. Her future home will be based on the
(21:44):
classification she receives from federal prison officials, said Jack Dohnson,
a prison consultant who worked for the Bureau of Prisons
for more than twenty three years. That will depend, in
part on the length of her sentence and a determination
by prison authorities whether Maxwell, who has a US, UK
and French citizenship, presents a risk to escape. Now. As
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much as I want to pile on here a risk
to escape, I highly doubt that now. A risk to
run and a risk to try and avoid charges, definitely,
but we're not I mean, she's not Andy Dufrayne, right,
She's not digging a hole through the wall and climbing
through the septic system anytime soon. So that's probably the
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last of my concerns when it comes to Maxwell. If
Maxwell has given a more lenient sentence, she may be
headed to the low security federal prison in Danbury, Connecticut,
known for housing Orange is the new black author Piper
Kerman and reality television star Teresa Judas said, Paperny, Yeah,
that's one of the prison in Danberry is notorious for that.
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You see a couple of mob guys that have been
through there, you know that kind of deal. But Dohnson
said the Bureau will likely a sign of famous convict
like Maxwell to a secure facility away from a major city,
making the Danburry Prison not far from New York less likely.
They're never going to put her near New York or anywhere.
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You're going to have reporters camping out on the road.
He said, Well, this is America. Anyone can get to anywhere.
I get the idea that it's a lot easier to
access Danberry than it is to say, Lompok. But wherever
she goes, there's going to be the media following. The
differences between a minimum security camp and low security Federal
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Correctional Institution or FCI can be dramatic, said Larry Levine,
founder of Wall Street Prison Consultants, who served more than
ten years in federal prison and now advises convicted criminals
on how to survive incarceration. I've had several friends due
time in federal prison and every single one of them
has come back and said it was a miserable experience.
(23:58):
I can't even imagine years, no thank you. Camps often
have a relatively high proportion of non violent white collar offenders,
and violence is rare. Violence is more likely in fcis,
which can house bank robbers, drug dealers, and people convicted
of sex crimes. So while camps don't have perimeter fences
(24:19):
or armed security, fcis have two secured barbed wire fences
with roving armed security. He said, the doors to camp
housing unit doors are never locked, a contrast to fcis,
where inmates are locked in at night. And that's I
was trying to make that comparison earlier to you folks.
It really is night and day between the low security
(24:41):
and medium security even and when I talked to my
family members and friends who would serve time in federal facilities,
they told me themselves the huge difference between minimum and
even medium, and how it was much more or enjoyable,
(25:01):
if anything can be enjoyable to be on the low
security yard. Several consultants said Maxwell's notoriety and nature of
her crime helping Epstein victimize teenage girls may make her
a target if she is still in denial that she
did not contribute to the actions taken by herself and
mister Epstein. She will be a pariah both inside and
(25:24):
outside of the prison, said letter Has o'cun, who consults
for white collar advice. Maxwell's education, wealth, and former jet
setting lifestyle will set her apart for most inmates. She said,
for sure, she's gonna get exploited if she's on the yard, folks,
There's no doubt about it. Jeffrey Epstein was in the
holding cell for what a few weeks, and he was
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being exploited. You gotta remember, these prisoners have all day
to sit around and come up with ways and plots
and different scams, and that's what they do. While Maxwell
will have an advantage because of her access to cash
for food, clothing, makeup, and running shoes that other inmates
can't afford, this can cause jealousy in others. Let her house.
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O'coon said. Maxwell will likely be assigned a job well
where she'll make a paltry twelve to fourteen cents an hour.
Do it and don't complain. Let her house. Oaken advised
the worst thing she could do is whine about her situation.
That is for sure. If you go to prison and
you start whining and acting the fool crying about your circumstances,
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you're in for it. And Glenn Maxwell, she better hope
she goes to one of these low security facilities. Folks.
I've been saying it from the jump. None of these
people are built for this. These people aren't from the street.
They're not criminals in the sense of the word that
you expect when you hear about prison. These are cowards
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who victimized young girls and vulnerable people. And when they
get to prison, well guess what the hunter becomes the
hunted Because these kinds of crimes they don't go over
very well in prison, folks. And somebody like Alane Maxwell
with access to all this money and affluence, you got
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to know from the beginning she is going to be extorted, exploited,
and the rest of it if she's put on the
main line. So I would expect lan Maxwell to end
up in some kind of you know, secure setting as
far as the shoe or protective custody, not on the
main line. And depending on what the charges are, I mean,
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the sentencing is obviously I'm guessing she's gonna end up
in a medium security facility. But when you have her money,
you never know. So there you have it, folks. That's
the article I was telling you about a couple of
days ago. I wanted to just touch on that real
quick to get an idea and give you folks an
idea of what might be coming next for Maxwell as
(27:57):
far as her incarceration. So thats going to do it
for me this morning, and there will be more
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