" I think I'm dying..." How to overcome anxiety and perceived danger

In this eye-opening episode, Neisha gets real about her experience with a panic attack and how it’s reshaped her views on fear and faith. 

 John dives deep into the fascinating connection between the mind, spirit, and how God uniquely designed us to navigate life’s challenges.

Fear is a powerful emotion, but so is the grace and design of God that helps us overcome it. Join us as we unpack personal stories, spiritual truths, and the profound ways we can align with God’s plan for peace and purpose.

Don’t miss this heartfelt and insightful conversation! 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I feel like I don't want to start this off
by saying, all right, and we're back for another episode.
What should I say?

Speaker 2 (00:08):
We're back?

Speaker 1 (00:09):
All right, We're back, all right, another episode? First comes
Off podcast. The last two episodes were kind of deep.
We really bear well, we didn't bear all, but we
bear it a lot enough enough, Yeah, for people.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
To hopefully beat the picture.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Paint the picture, see how we were able to change
and overcome some obstacles in our marriage.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, it's been interesting, refreshing.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, kind of in a way, it was refreshing because
you know, these situations, they're in different seasons of our marriage,
and it's just, you know, always it's always refreshing. I
guess to go back and see how much you've grown,
you say something else, and that's it. To be able

(01:00):
to look back and see, you know, the progress. Yeah,
considering all the different variables that we experience that we
went through, to see like in retrospect, to like who
we are today in this moment in this season, you know,
this year, it's like, oh okay, yeah, I definitely can
see how much I've grown from that experience. Yes, but yeah,
and we're gonna unpack that situation. I'm sure more like

(01:22):
in coming episodes there are Yeah, we've I mean, we'd,
like you said, we've touched on it enough, but not
like the full scope, because there's so many different elements
to pour from that experience that I'm sure that we
can bring into other conversations in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
So do you not, No, maybe with somebody else. Okay,
I see your point. Then, So if we invite someone
else and that's gonna be the the framework of that conversation,
then havn't alternative point of views that are different in
yours different minds, it's gonna bring about like a new

(01:58):
fresh take on it. So maybe from my perspective maybe.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Because yeah, I can see it's revisiting.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
But that's saying the same thing again you and I.
We might be done with that, I.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Mean, I'm sure. But anyways, So merry Christmas, Happy Year,
not quite happy New Year. But uh so we just
celebrated Christmas this year with a new edition in our family.
Maybe Rise is her first Christmas and she's so freaking cute.
I I gotta give you your credit, because John is

(02:33):
notoriously known in our relationship to just not be a
good gift giver. I know, yeah, it's he just it's
just like historically not a good gift giver, and I'm
the polar opposite. Like I'm so good at giving gifts,
Like people can just not give me a list, not

(02:55):
giving me any idea or context of what they want,
and I can yell it every time. But John, he
just like you just be thinking, you just be thinking,
you're about to kill it with this gift. Open the gift,
and in my mind and just like why why But
this year, I will say this, this year, you actually

(03:15):
did not disavoit and I'm proud of you. I'm proud
of you.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Know.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
This is the first time and our was almost seventeen
years of marriage that you got me a gift and
I was I opened it and I was just like, oh,
snapped on this one.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
So I just disagree. What do you disagree with because
there's so much intentionality, there's so much attention to detail,
there's so much that goes into this time of year, Okay,
and the results are just uncanny, they're they're just wonerful kind.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, you're right there. You agreed, We agreed, Yeah, And
I just was like, really proud of you because you're
not really good at that, like he just pumps it up, like, oh,
you really really gonna like this gift with regardless.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Of Okay, so tell me one of those terrible worst
case scenario gifts.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Something that you got me that was just like an
African print, Like it was something that you got I
can't remember it right off the hand, like when we
lived in Savannah, so it was something that you bought
me and I was just like, what is this and
you were just so excited about it, but it had
like an African print of something exactly. That's how I feel.
It's not memorable. You can't recall or can I fully.

(04:31):
But anyways, thank you so much for like getting it
right this year and listening to me, cause I always
tell him, just please, it's so boring, just follow the
list like I'm not gonna be just like that doesn't.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Bring out the instincts are the best in me.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
It brings up the best of me cause I get
like the things that I actually wanted. So but anyway,
it's nonetheless, I'm I'm I'm really proud of you, and
I'm surprised that you actually, you know, got it right
this time. So I appreciate you. Thank you. Yeah, what
do you feel about my gifts? Do I always get
it right?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
I was the benefit of the doubt. I don't h
have a Christmas list something I've ever had one, maybe
it's been long.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, you've made a list kind of dishorter.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
So to give you the benefit of the doubt, I
don't set you up for success.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
But I end up being successful, that's what you're about
to say.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Uh, you end up being useful. So eighty percent of
your gifts are like useful and good, useful and good.
Stop they are good. They're they're useful, which is good. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah,
so they're they're useful. But I don't think I've had
a reaction.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, you don't have those kind of reactions cause you're
just so even killed alright, true, which actually leads us
into our discussion for today.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Good, so you been doing this well? Yeah, go to podcast?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, I dude. Oh so anyways, ya, you're just so
even cool and and I wanted to have this discussion
because it's something that I actually haven't been like really
open about or talked about a lot just with close friends,
because it's just not something that I was ever used
to or ever even fathomed that would happen to me.

(06:16):
So let's let's paint the picture here a little bit.
So the year is what two thousand and twenty two, Uh,
the month is November, and I am laying We're laying
down in bed at this point, it's maybe like four
o'clock in the morning, and all of the sudden, all
of the sudden, I'm literally coming to this feeling out

(06:37):
of a sleep. So I'm in a deep sleep, my
rim sleep as deep as it can get, right, and
I wake up in all of the sudden, I feel
like I'm dying. I feel like I'm literally about to die,
like out of nowhere. Just imagine just like opening your
eyes like you normal, like you normally do you open

(06:59):
your eyes, you're kind of terms come to your senses,
but like when you do this particular time, you're like, oh,
I'm I'm literally dying in like five minutes. And so
that was like an experience that I was having. And
I immediately feel this sensation come across my entire body
of like fear, a gripping fear of just like I

(07:24):
cannot breathe. M my heart is like palpitating, It's like
p like pumping so fast out of my chest. I
do not know what's going on other than the fact
that I my body has never had this type of
reaction before, and I feel like I'm I'm literally dying.
And so I remember sitting there like coming to terms
with like this feeling in my body, like what in

(07:45):
the heck is going on? Like I am like I
can't breathe, and I remember like gasping. I remember like
like trying to get whatever breath was left of me
in this moment where I'm like coming to my senses
waking up at four o'clock, and I just felt like I, oh,
this is okay, s okay, So this is it. I'm dying.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
So when you say, d wait, when you were experiencing that,
what are you seeing? Like what's in your mind's eye?

Speaker 1 (08:13):
What is what's in my mind's eye? Honestly, at that
exact moment is I felt like time was leaving, like
I was running out of time. Like I literally was
like I only have like so many breaths life to
give and I'm running out of time and I'm so scared.
And so that's why at that moment, I decided I
gotta wake up John, like I have to say my
final goodbyes, like I'm dying, and so that's what made

(08:37):
me like what you did, Yeah, that's literally what made me.
I And I was calm like.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
In the moment, cause I just felt like I but
out of breath.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, I was out of breath, but I wasn't necessarily calm.
I won't say that like I was just I was
calm in the sense of like I'm trying to preserve
energy because I feel like I don't have a lot
to give.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yes, it's kind of like saying that found final message. Yeah,
so you're ye maintain Yes, let me just like, oh
my god.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
My heart is pounding out of my chests, like, oh
my god. So I remember like just gently like John John,
cause you were like you were sleeping good. You always
sleep with You're a deep sleeper. I'm a light sleeper.
But anyways, I just remember just going like John, John, John,
like waking you up like that and then you're like hm,
And then I said, do you do you remember the
words that I said I'm dying. Yes, it's funny now,

(09:30):
but it's not like it wasn't funny the moment. But
I literally woke John up, John up and I said, hey,
I think I'm dying. It's not funny. I woke John
up and I said, hey, I think i feel like
I'm dying. I feel like I'm leaving my body. That's
what I said.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, you feel like you're leaving your body?

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, and uh and you said huh and I I said,
I feel like I'm dying. I feel like I'm leaving
my body. And you like then, as you know, the
second time I said it, you kind of like, what
would what? And then that kind of like sat you up?

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Did you say anything else?

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, no, I'm gonna get to that. So anyway, so
I when I said that, obviously that's not a normal
thing to say. Usually you say good morning, or hey
can you go room up the car it's cold.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Or you could say something else, or you could.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Say something else. Ever, Yeah, but it wasn't that, and
so it was like I'm dying. So immediately like you have,
of course, sat up and I was like, calen, you
please be on my heart and immediately felt on her
and you felt like, oh dang, like why is it
doing that? Yeah, it's Sirves like, why is it doing that?
You literally just woke up and I'm like shaking. I'm

(10:40):
like shivering, quivering, I'm having like a reaction. I can
barely even walk. So I literally feel like I'm dying.
And I'm like I have to say good bite to Royal.
I have to say like something to Royal, like this
is my last, like final thing. So I like literally
try to make it to her room, and I physically
can't even bring myself to her room because I'm like
shaking and like my heart is pounding and my body

(11:01):
is like super weak, and I don't even make it
to her room. And then that was the sign to
me where it was like this is next level. I
don't know what's happening. I honestly feel like I'm dying.
But now the fact that like I physically I I walked,
I left the room with John, walked down the hall
and then to Royal's room, and I like literally couldn't
make it to her room to say like good my

(11:22):
final goodbyes to her, or at least just give her
a kiss. I think that's what I wanted to do,
was just give her a kids and let her don't
let her know how much I loved her, And like
I physically couldn't do that, and so when I knew
I couldn't do that, that's when I like crawled back
into the room with you, and it was like, we
have to call not on one or we have to
call my mom. And we called my mom and my

(11:42):
mom was like super supernatural, spiritual mom, and I feel
like she just understands things and those things on a
spiritual level that she doesn't always communicate to us. So
we called my mom at four o'clock in the morning
and she didn't pick up. And that's unusual cause I'm
like when people call you in the middle of the
night like that, like y yeah, like you pick up.
And so the fact that my mom didn't pick up

(12:04):
was a I just felt like, oh, she knows, like
she knows. I'm about like she just knows, she understands
what's happening whatever, so she doesn't pick up. So then
at that point, I'm feeling like I need to just
say my last words to jump and I'm like telling
him about different emails that I have that hey, I
put this information for our family and like everybody's that

(12:26):
I want him to know, like in this specific email,
and I'm literally like every breath, I'm gasping I'm gasping,
and then you decided to like pray over me. But
in that moment, I was so afraid, and I remember
just feeling like, this is it.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
I'm only smiling. I'm only I only have a smirk
because I accepted it in like right there, there was no.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
You were really calm.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, that's what it was.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
And I wanna say, like to most people, it's unusually calm,
like if somebody she up and tells you like they
they're dying and then.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
You feel my I was like, damn, well, it's been
a good run. You know, I got this insurance.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Stop it wasn't It wasn't that way it and you
were just like, like I said, like super even killed,
like how you kind of off always been like through
our marriage, it's just like the the uh calm in
the storm for us. And I I just remember like
feeling so safe around you and so protected and a

(13:25):
and assured that Okay, even if I wasn't about to
die right now, I feel like everything is going to
be okay.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, that's why I would say, of course jokingly, but
I did feel like there's nothing I could do to
change this, cause that's one of the most uh, disempowering
things as a man, as a husband, when there is
a clear, unequivocal situation, circumstance to where I can't control it,
dictated influence. I can't alter it for the betterment of

(13:55):
you or or a kids. Th the handful of times
as happened I had to draw my memory, but the
handful of times that has happened, that's probably the most disempowering,
dismantling thing ever, like for a man. Yeah, and so
in that moment, a millisecond of if you about to die,
I can't bring it back. I got trust faith in Christ. Uh,

(14:19):
I'm not sure I could tap into that higher consciousness
to revive your body. Come on back, come on back
to this side. Yeah, He's not done with you yet.
And so m again a millisecond that wasn't even a realization.
It was a thought, but it wasn't a realization. And
so I felt the most, uh, the path of the
least resistance was the accept it because you're obviously obviously

(14:43):
it's the first time it happened, and so you're going
through this and I'm thinking to myself, this is never
happened before. Yeah, uh, never seen you react like this
cause while you he praised of me being calm and uh,
you know, so grounded you likewise, which is why I
w you know, we great tandem and team, because y,

(15:05):
your femininity hasn't like spiraled out of control to like
impact our lives. I y, you know, and that negative one, yeah,
in the stereotypical you know, emotional you know way or whatever.
But uh so, in these flashes of a second, I'm realizing, Yeah,
I don't think I could call your body back. So
let's just go with the the path of lease resistance.

(15:29):
That ain't it. That ain't it. Let's go with the
path of lease resistance. Uh, let's accept what is and
let me enjoy this f fun a few moments because
obviously I'm coming out of my sleep. I don't really
know the severity of this, you know, or the legitimacy
of it, and so uh let's uh let me just
hold hands, you know, give you a good kiss, hold

(15:52):
you tight.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
There was never ever like a moment of fear.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
That can no, no, never no, see.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
I was, I was lit, I was I was encompassing fear.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yes, but you have done it before, not like no,
not like this.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
The words like I'm dying.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
No remember even.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
At some point like when we were sitting in the
room and then, and anybody who's ever been through an
actual panic attack you might understand how this feels. And
if you're somebody who's been in a panic attack that
has a spiritual understanding of life, like you live life spiritually.
I literally felt like I was leaving my body, like
moment by moment from like my feet.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Up, like it was like adventures like eating.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Played a video game and it shows you like then
that's how I felt. I felt like That's why I said,
like I was running out of time. I felt like
I'm leave, I am leaving. I'm leaving so I know
where I'm going, which also brought me peace. It literally
felt like I I don't know how to explain it,

(16:59):
like I just other people who have had a panic attack,
who have you know, uh god, I they might have
experienced the same thing, but it was that for me,
like I literally felt like I'm leaving my body and
I was like afraid. But at the same time, the
the the level of fear that I had, I had
an equal amount of peace because I know where I was,

(17:22):
Like I knew where I was going.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Where were going to heave it? Okay, So the fear
part where why, I think.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Because it was unexpected. Like I came up out of
my sleep, like I'm thinking, you know, I have all
these dreams and ambitions and aspirations that I'm like trying
to pursue and things that we haven't done and done
all this stuff, and I'm like, oh, shoot, like it's today,
like today's to day. No, I'm not ready, yeah, like tomorrow.
And I just felt that, but like it's so it's

(17:53):
such a weird duality and a j exposition of like
knowing that like or feeling like not knowing but feeling
like I'm literally dying at this moment. But I'm okay
because I know where I'm going. I'm going to heaven.
And so while I am like so afraid of the
experience of in itself, I still feel grounded in the

(18:15):
peace of knowing that I I am about to be
one with God. I'm about to be in another space
that's not even an and into your credit, I'll say,
one of the things that did also make me feel
secure and safe is that I was like leaving behind
my daughter with a husband, with a father who I

(18:36):
know would do justice to our legacy. So that also
secured me as well. Was like I feel secure in that,
Like I feel secure and like, ah, I can leave
cause I know John, like he's an incredible m human
being one and then two like you're an incredible father.
So I'm just like everything's gonna be okay. M And

(18:57):
I feel like when people are dying and and maybe
we should l cat that in a in a future
episode of like having somebody on who really understands and
who was really studied like death in itself MM such
a Yeah, it's such a mystery because when you feel
like you're dying, it's just like it's unreal. And in
that moment like where I'm like literally trying to guess

(19:19):
for every breath that I can take to like r
tell you things, tell you much I love you, tell
you how much I'm thankful for you that I can breathe,
Like tell Royal this, this, I have this email and
this blah blah blah. So I'm like telling you all
these things. But like when you were I re faced
with the moment where you actually feel like you're going
to die. Yeah, it's very scary if you don't know

(19:40):
where you're going. And I'm not trying to be like, hey,
if you were to die today, like do you know
ju just I'm not trying to do that. But it did,
f I that did bring you peace?

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Did you? Most people say the uh, life flash before
your eyes? Did ya have any like old memories, kid memories?
To no?

Speaker 1 (19:58):
And then and in it it might s I didn't
see the light. I didn't see the light that it
was more of a sensation. And I didn't see those things.
I didn't experience those things that other people have talked
about because I wasn't actually dying. I was having a
panic attack. So fast forward to the story. You know,
like I still experienced some of the sensations throughout the day.

(20:20):
I was actually supposed to be going to work that day.
That was my second day of starting a brand new job,
which I was like so embarrassed. I tried to push
through and still go to work, which is crazy, but
I did. And then I realized, I still feel like
I'm dying and I can't breathe. So I ended up
actually just going to the hospital and not going to work.
And then that's when they revealed and did all the
tests and the examinations and all the things, and they

(20:42):
were like, you're perfectly fine, You're healthy. I think they
were like, it's something stressful happening that you have a
weird transition, and I'm just like, other than working now
a full time job, which I don't know, just be
an entrepreneur, I don't know. But so that was like
the new thing that had happened in my life. But
I went home with thinking like I actually never was

(21:04):
in real danger and so I'm literally they're like, you're
having a I think we're you're having a panic attack.
And eventually, like later on you know, that morning, I
was able to get a hold of my mom and
she mengined it to me as well. When I'm explaining
it to her and she's like, I think you're having
a panic attack. I was like what is that? Like what?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, where did you learn from that?

Speaker 1 (21:24):
From the panic attack? Yeah? The difference well so the
so as between like an anxiety and a panic attack. Yeah,
So my mom was the first one to say, like,
I feel like you're having an a a panic attack.
Cause I was basically like telling my mom, like, I
love you, I feel like I'm dying to like I
feel like I'm going to die today, And like literally
when those words left me, I started crying when I
said that to my mom. But I was like, Mom,

(21:46):
I love you so much. I feel like I feel
like today's the last day I'm gonna be alive. That's
what I told her. Mm And I started crying a
little bit after that. And then then I walking to
the hospital and then I did all this stuff and
they were like, you're perfectly fine, Like I think you're
a panic attack, And I'm just like, why do people
keep saying that? Like what is that? So then I

(22:07):
started doing a little bit of research. I'm like, what's
the difference between the two and so so, an anxiety
attack is like when you are just overcome by all
of the stressors in your life and it causes you anxiety.
The panic attack is more so it's a ha has
a little bit more it's intensified in the physical experience
of it, and it's not known where it comes from.

(22:30):
Cause that was the basic biggest.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Thing I think, like when we're we're so confused.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, we're so confused by this happened to me, But
it just like happens all of this sudden and then
it also goes away on its own, which is kind
of like my experience. So subsidy on its own.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Is it more singular then? What do you mean, because
it seems like panic attacks sounds like it's more singular focused. Yeah,
where it's anxiety, it's like your whole life. Yeah, every
aspect of your life.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, every aspect of your life, like.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Bleeds over every aspect of your life.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah. I would say that's the difference to s the
a panic attack is a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Isolated, isolated. Okay, yeah, that's a little bit more of.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
An isolated experience opposed to like a panic attack. I'm sorry,
I opposed to an anxiety attack. And I feel like
every day I do have anxiety now, especially learning like
that that was something that I could as associate with
my life. I don't know why I had a panic
attack till this day, but I am like grateful for

(23:25):
the experience of what it taught me, what it showed
me in the sense of how even kill you were
and in a circumstance that was somewhat you know, scary, yeah,
or relatively scary, how my faith and my walk with
Price allowed me to still have a level of of
overwhelming peace that surpasses all the understanding, the moment of like, Okay,

(23:50):
even though I feel like I'm dying, I still feel
calm cause I know where I'm going.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
That can switch.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, that really grounded me. So yes, I'm grateful where
the experience, even though I don't understand it fully and
why it even happened. And so now I lived a
lot of day to day with like anxiety, which I
don't know where. I don't know where that started, do
you know, like what I started feeling like really anxious
about things?

Speaker 2 (24:16):
It kind of started after that. I think after the
panic attack. It m made the anxiety more reachable and
attainable on a weird subconscious uh level. Uh, y like it?
I you like clung to that more easily. Uh, Because
they're they're they're they're very close. You know, it's almost

(24:38):
like a thin line between one versus the other.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
One leads w one lead to the other. And now
it's been a little bit more persistent. And when something
like that happens, you will begin to associate other things
that are similar, and it it w W the more
you associate with it, more things like link up and
it becomes bigger an and more uh paramount and more

(25:03):
obvious to you.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, And I feel like a lot of people discredit
the day to day of like the actual functionality of
the brain, like the circuits that are like happening and
the wiring that's taking place, and the actual brain. John
is like a our s science guy and the family.
He's super smart about stuff like that. But I I
want you to kind of expound on that a little

(25:25):
bit about like how the brain works, you know, in
tandem to like your soul and and tandem of like
your emotion or maybe not even tandem to it, but
like with the different roles that like how you think, yeah,
plays a role and how you live.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yes, well, the panic attack, Uh, there's a lot of
connections to uh of course a big stressor m whatever
they might be for you and for us, it was
the you know, brand new job upheaving, uh your entrepreneur
at that time, you know, pausitive for uh, a temporary
moment in time. And so now the the hust and
bustle and you know of every day. So uh, that's

(26:01):
a a bonified and justifiable uh stressor And so what
stress looks like in the brain if you can imagine
like a uh lightning storm in the sky. So in
all these areas of the brain, everything gets firing off,
all these electrical signals like you're saying uh huh uh incoherently,
so they're firing out of sequence, not a rhythm, not

(26:24):
in order. And so the root of all of these misfirings,
if it will, kind of like a car misfiring the engine.
It sounds bad. Uh, it's gonna sound off key right,
is the different if you if I can explain this
way different, uh kind of like headquarters for the s
the five senses. So our five senses, if I can analogize,

(26:45):
it has uh a corresponding headquarters in our in our brain.
And so the brain actually receives second hand information. Our
senses are the first to receive information from our external world,
and they immediately, without interpretation, send that information through the
electrical signals and the the neurons uh to our to

(27:06):
its corresponding headquarters location in our brain. And so uh,
when we're under stress again, it looks like a a
uh lightning storm in the clouds and brain just firing
it off. So the left side and the right side,
the front side, back, all that stuff, and so what
what causes all of the uh disease is that that's
very taxing on the body. Uh for our mind.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
So the mind is the brain in action. So for
our mind to discern and try to make sense of
all of this incoherent uh signals been firing off. Uh.
So you got the sense of touch, uh sending signals
to the brain that we are in per perceived danger.
We got the sense of sight sending signals to the brain. Hey,

(27:52):
this image that we're looking at, it is correlating to
uh some kind of fear or danger uh that we've
had in the past. Uh from you know, real life experience,
from a a TV experience, or even listening to someone
else's experience. You've got the sense of a smell that is,
you know, trying to send this information and sending it

(28:13):
all to the brain all at once is overloading it.
So our mind isn't able to uh discern and articulate
and categorize, you know, to really assess is this or
a danger or is this fear? Because there is a difference. Uh.
Danger is real, uh fear is perceived danger. So we
can control and manipulate and tone down if you will,

(28:37):
the that the sense of for fear because we can
control the volume if you will. Because when you're under fear, uh,
you are being overwhelmed with voices in your in your
head that are trying to prioritize, you know, a certain situation. Uh.

(28:57):
That could be fear of having a tough comps like
we did episode one. Uh you know the previous episode. Uh,
So tough situations and conversations with families, you know, a
co worker with a boss, you can have fear of
like what we did. You know where there's a I
I I I. It stems all the way back to
our primitive state mm uh being cavemen and uh y

(29:21):
you know we live in these uh caves and you
hear twigs cracking and dry leaves, you know, being stepped on,
So we immediately think that's a predator. So you know,
we have to go to fight or flight. And so
all of these voices are are trying to uh vie in.
They're they're jockeying for your attention span. Uh. Pay attention

(29:41):
to me, pay attention to me neutraally speaking, So again
that job is just to send information to the brain.
And so when you hear all these voices, you're not
the voice you hear in your head. M you're the
one who hears the voce, and so that singular powerful
like stance allows you to uh turn down the volume.

(30:03):
And so as you were going through your panic attack,
you being the mine, uh, which is spiritually discerned.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Uh, you can discern that in to be in your spirituality. Uh. Y,
you're the the mind is the brain in action, so
you are able to dissect, assess and be able to
uh control the volume of Okay, this is not real danger,
this is perceived danger. Let me continue on about my day.

(30:32):
Mm uh. When we're camping in the Georgia woods in
the uh Georgia mountains. Uh, that's more plausible, that's more justifiable. Uh.
You know we're in our tent two o'clock in the morning.
You hear twigs cracking outside the tent. Yes, yes, So
that's the that's the sense of your hearing, right, just

(30:54):
neutrally sending that information to his corresponding headquarters in the brain. Okay,
and then it is our mind and that is able
to discern. Okay, is this danger or is this fear?

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:06):
And so uh, that's the that's the powerful part of
all those signals all this information that we've received it,
I mean, I I it is.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Kind of cool, I guess when you think about it.
But the all the brain.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Does is its job, yes, thousand percent.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, you know. So it's just like when you can
understand that, like I, I and I and I don't
know how to say it any other way, but when
you can learn how to detach yourself from the brain, Yes,
from the way that the brain works and does its job,
separate design from who you are in your own mind,
and like, is is that a s Is that conscious

(31:39):
or some bungeous.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Actually, yeah, it's a little bit of both, as like
the difference, you know, so it's a good way to Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
So so that all the brain does is its job,
and it helps you to react when you feel like
you're in danger. But then, so what part of a
person is is the per is the part where it's
like perceived danger If that's not the brain, because the
brain is going to react to actual danger. The information
that's sending you Okay, you're in danger.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
These are the senses.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
You know, yourcense is taking in this information and it's
gonna speak to the brain. But like, w then what's
the other part? What did what? What is that space?
I guess that's like helping you to realize like, Okay,
it's not a bear, it's actually a leaf just fail
or a pine cone, just fail and hit this cru
and made this leaf crunch. Like what what if it's

(32:25):
not the brain? Like doing that? Like how do you
separate yourself from a brain? And then what is the
other space or entity that you need to tap into? Uh?

Speaker 2 (32:33):
That is the bigness of who we are?

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (32:37):
So that would be you can correlate that to your
your spirituality, which we're all spiritual.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I love talking to atheists agnostics. We can go all
day private, one on one conversation because there's there's an
aspect of all of us, uh that is bigger than
I anything in front of us. Okay, and so the
part that we can control, we all have out the
ability to uh to to teleport, to supersede, to transport

(33:08):
uh any angle and perspective on life. And so if
I was to say, anybody, let's think back to one
particular moment in middle school, Bam, you're already there. So
what that shows is you've still got the ability to
look at life from a a multitude of angles, but
most when you elevate and you expand and you uh

(33:29):
get to see life from a different perspective. Uh, that
is when you begin to connect with the bigger part
of you, which I believe, of course has got And.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
You didn't exercise on me. And I just thought, like,
it's so profound and so well.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
You can't tell them that.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Don't tell them that extra No.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
That oh not that one, not that okay.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
PG, keep your PG, the one you're talking about right now.
It's so profound and you le you know, we're starting
to teach our our nine year old daughterness as well.
But how you can literally go so like how you
can literally be somewhere in milliseconds like you just said,
like okay, like even right now for anybody listening or
watching this podcast, think of something that you know as
hanging up in your closet right now mm and then

(34:09):
like visually like you actually there, Yes you're there, but
you're not there yes, so so w so what is
like how do you explain that and how can that
actually be applicable? Yeah, to help people, I guess l
maximize and live life to the fullest when they know
that they can transport and just in general. I guess
the power of the mind, Like I'm I'm sitting right

(34:30):
here on this couch with you. But if you tell
me right now and you should go back, Like think
about something that's in the closet. In my mind's eye,
I am like inside of our closet, and I can
immediately see something that's hanging up right now.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yes, so your eyes give you sight, but your mind
gives you vision. And so when you can see using
your vision, that connects you to all things, which is
uh the alpha and omega uh omnipresent, omnipotent. That's God, uh,
cause God is all things. Uh. When he told me, uh,
Moses aksed him.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yes, I w I you know he paraphrasing here.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
He said, yes, I will go back and tell Ferruh
Pharaoh uh to let my people go. But who do
I tell Pharaoh? You are? And I l I I
like always having this image in my mind. But as
he's talking, and you know, it's conversation with with he's
conversationing with God. I can imagine God thinking to himself, HM,
so I have this human How can I tell him

(35:27):
that I'm everything? I am literally everything? I am literally
all and everything that you can ask, imagine or dream of.
I am literally everything. I'm every blade of grass, I'm
every uh branch of the tree, I'm every cell in
your body. I'm every uh uh engine piston in your
fast car, your your g wagon. I'm literally every aspect

(35:51):
of everything that you can ever know, all at once,
all at once. So I'm interconnected with everything, right, So
he just says, I am and just everything. And so
the way we can do that is because so we
can the base level of Newtonian understanding of physics is
that you know A plus B equalc. Uh. You know,

(36:13):
if we go to the top of a building. You
know we're in Atlanta, So we can go to one
of these skyscrapers, I can drop a basketball off the
top of the roof, and I can calculate, you know,
the speed and the time is gonna take to to
reach the ground A plus B equal c. So that
is flipped on its head when we bring into the
conversation of spirituality, uh, because I can look at every

(36:34):
angle and switch and transpose and substitute everything, because y
we we're connected to everything. And so the way that
we experience time is through distance, and so there was
a a little examples that you gave off. You can
go to your closet, you can go to the furthest
vacation that you ever had, you can go back to

(36:56):
your earliest memory as a kid, that those things happen
and instantaneously, because we cover so much distance. Again, we
only experience time, uh, which can feel so constraining and
weighty and constrictive. We only experience time through distance. So
if I remove distance from the equation, then everything happens

(37:19):
in no time, which means instantly. That's why go.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
To my closet right now?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yes, in my mind, because the time it takes. So
we're in Atlanta, Georgia, our house about thirty five miles
away from where we're recording. If I remove the thirty
five miles distance, then what are we left with you
going from here to there?

Speaker 1 (37:38):
But if I really wanted to go there, it would
taking me like forty five minutes to go look at
my closet and see for it.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
It it great. I'm glad you said that forty five Well,
you instantly said that all mind does that. That's the
way our brain works. It compartmentalized, It sections off things
and it tries to make sense of, you know, this
side of heaven here. And so those are the the
little examples been trying to share it royal of Uh
we color a superpower, uh where she can go back
and relive, rehash, you know, uh, bring back up. Uh.

(38:04):
Let's say a first vacation on the cruise. Uh. She
can go back and relive that in her mind. So
when you remove distance, uh, everything happens in no time,
which is why God is always, always has been. I'm
the apronemeric. I've always been here. I have no I
have no blockades, I have no speed bumps, I have
no obstacles. There's nothing in my way. There's no distance

(38:25):
for me to be concerned with. So that's why I
can be everywhere all at once. I could be omnipresent.
I am literally everywhere all at once. M Yeah, because
I'm not a you know, my ways are not your ways,
my thoughts are not yet.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
I am everything. I'm interconnected with everything.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
So so for okay, so that's a that's a great insight.
And I love you know, talking about some like these.
But for people who are like, okay, how do I okay,
w how what how can I take the information like
what you just said, and why how can I incorporate
it into my lifetime benefit me or to help me
live a more peaceful or even abundant life? Like what

(39:05):
does that mean to me that I can transport in
my mind? Like? How powerful can I utilize the actual
resource of my mind to live a more fulfilling life?
How can I leverage my mind? Basically?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Uh? So again, the mind is the brain in action.
And so when you realize that you have the superpower
you can you can literally become connected where where God
exists and dominates, you can look at like differently. And
so when you change your angle and perspective on life, Uh,
there's a new experience you can gain.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Mm.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
And so one situation, Uh, the the first heartbreak in
high school, your high school love. It really wasn't that bad.
Because now that you're at this particular age you know
right now today listen to the podcast, you realize it
wasn't that bad. It's popul love. But that can only
happen when you zoom out. You get a higher level

(39:58):
of perspective. Increase sub consciousness and uh, increasing your consciousness
uh just means awareness. Yeah, the more you become aware
the literal like, imagine being on the floor of a forest, right,
and it got these super tall trees and you know,
so you're there. Now, what if I was to uh
hook you up y on the on the stream or whatever,

(40:20):
but a harness. Okay, So imagine you being on the
floor of a forest and I can hook you up
on the harness. Uh, and I'm flying the helicopter and
I can lift you up, and I go, I take
you up ten feet, twenty feet, thirty feet, So now
forty feet you above the tree tops of this forest.
So now your perspective on life is different because when

(40:41):
you were once on the floor, you can only see
things that were on the floor. You couldn't you can
you can imagine what it's like to be up, you know,
raise forty feet above the trees. Uh, but not really,
it's not really a strong connection. So as I begin
to raise you up, uh, your awareness grows, your consciousness increases. Uh,
you become more aware of all there is. And so

(41:03):
I raise you above the treetops of that forest. So
now your perspective is different. You got new information to gather.
That's the difference. You got new information because you're because
you can see more, your vision is expanded even still, Like.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
That's something that I think I'm working on in real time,
like in day to day is like pulling myself into
that higher perspective, Yes, pulling myself out of myself and
going into like another level so that I can see
things differently.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yes, you can see it all laid out myself to be.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Able to have the perspective of the outside looking in.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, And it's just.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Easier said than done. I don't think people really know
how to do that. What you're saying, it sounds like
really true pokus or kumba y'all, Like how do I
what are you saying, Like, how do I it come
to a level of awareness or frequently, Well, that's what
it takes, right, Yea, What do I need to do?
Like what are the steps in order to like pull
myself out of real time situations m to see myself

(42:04):
outside of myself? Like how do I do that in
a way that doesn't seem difficult, because it's like it's
not difficult.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
The first wrung on the ladder to achieve is wherever
you are listening to this podcast right now, whether you're
in the car, you're sitting in the house, you're at work. Uh,
imagine right now, what does the top of your head
look like? And you just keep ascending.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Okay, the top of my head from the inside of
my body.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Right now, what's the.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Top of my head on the outside, on the.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Outside, on the outside. Yeah, okay, So that's the way
you begin to separate. It's it's it's it's kind of
like glue. I mean, we get so enthralled and we're
so engaged that some people think that this physical world
is all there is. Uh. But once you this is
the hard part of it. Once you begin to separate yourself.
It's almost like uh, imaginary glue that's holding you back,

(42:55):
like if you use to stick two pieces of loosely
paper together. Uh. You it feels like you're gonna get
ripped away from all that you know. Uh, but uh,
there's much more m to know. That's gonna you're gonna
become more familiar with, and that's gonna be a thing
of the pass.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
So the first baby step is again, wherever you're listening,
imagine you looking from a third points of third person
point of view outside of yourself. What does it look
like right now? Uh? And then you just keep ascending
higher and higher. So if you live in an apartment complex,
you can you can imagine right now, use your mind's eye. Uh,

(43:31):
what does the top of your apartment complex looks like?
What does the top of your roof look like? If
you're in the house, if you're listening to a car,
what does the top of your car look like? You
just keep ascending?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Uh? Y, Well, what does the incension do?

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Dissension separates yourself uh from being so relegated and so
uh you know, full of like weight of uh physical
reality which bounds you, which keeps you constrained and weighed down,
and that does not allow you to, yeah, continue to
a sin. So you can have a new perspective.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
And we had a I I had a great insight
from God. I think I don't know, maybe a year
and a half, maybe two years now, And you were
talking to me about the same kind of topic you know,
about the five dimensions and ascension and stuff like that.
And I said that, uh, I can't remember. You might
be able to r recollect it in the moment, but
I said that God helps you see No, Wait, is

(44:25):
it's something that deals with like what's possible and what's impossible?
Do you remember that insight?

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I remember how maybe feel. I can't remember the words.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
I can't remember the words that I use. And it
had It's in our notes somewhere, but it it It
went into the sense that like when you tap into
what's God, you tap into what's impossible. But when you
stay here on earth in real time, you're relegated to
what's possible. But when you step into a god realm,

(44:54):
you tap into what's impossible. That is actually what's like normal,
like what's what we're supposed to be experiencing. Do you
remember us having that conversation at all?

Speaker 2 (45:06):
I do remember how maybe still I don't remember see you.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
I remember the anxighty. Do you get what I'm saying?
Like b people? I guess what I'm trying to touch
on is people being able to have access to their
God self, Cause I think people get comfortable, and I
think the trick of the enemy is MM when people
wanna live in anxiety, they wanna live into the stressors
that come with real life. Whether it's paying bills, whether
it's being a single mom, whether it's m you know,

(45:32):
having multiple kids, whether it's having kids with disabilities, whether
it's having a job where you have a boss that
you hate, like, m all of these different stressors and factors.
How do you actually tap into your God self in
the midst of being into like real situations that can
cause you stress. I guess.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yeah, there's a lot of hacks techniques, but the what
undergirds at all is that you must get beyond yourself. Mm.
That's that's the root of it all. How do you do?

Speaker 1 (46:03):
I guess You're so great. So this is the other
thing I think people don't realize is they get so
comfortable with the negative aspects of who they are. Like
let's say, for me, like I get really comfortable in
my fear because it's a known Like my brain is
like yeo, okay, yeah, we're usually scared when this happens. Okay,
you know this is a normal reaction. Like I said,
the brain is just doing its job. It's just like,

(46:25):
oh yeah, when you see these things, when you see
this circumstance, yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
That means that this means that like be afraid.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Or be in pain, or being turmoil or triggered, or
how to learn how to not do that.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
There's there's we first got again. You gotta zoom out.
There's many different ways to do it, but you gotta
do at least one one of them will lead you
to the next to the next thing.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Obviously, we'll just say like as a caveat more advanced
way to get to doing that is practicing meditation.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yes, generally too.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Meditation will get you to be like more advancing that,
but at a base level, start seeing yourself a bird's
eye vieal.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yes, that's the the easiest one, cause, uh, kids can
do it. We again, we're showing our kids to do
it now. But uh, what most people, which you would
begin to articulate, was, uh, most people have an affinity
to a known past and a predictable future. And so
when you are relegated to either living in the past

(47:21):
or living in the future, you missed the powerful moment,
the present moment now. And it is in the present
moment which we have everything because actually the past or
the present doesn't really truly exist. It exists in the
present moment, which da da da da. The present is
all that we have. Uh, because if I still say, uh,

(47:42):
think of something you did last week, you are experiencing
that right now in the present moment. Uh, I I Likewise,
if I'd say, you know, explain to me, uh, some
futuristic event, Uh that's gonna be happening right now. Mm uh,
and I put the proof to the pudding. I tell you, okay,
put your pass in my hand. Kay, you can't. Likewise,

(48:05):
I'd rather say, put your future in my hand, right,
you can't. So you you're experiencing this thing called the past.
You're experiencing this thing called the future in the present moment.
And so when you knock down those walls and those
barriers to like fragment, cause uh, humans we got a
fragmented view of a time.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
So a lot of scientists believe that, you know si
uh time is a linear uh you know it just
it just keeps going. So imagine there's a a ruler
or just a line, uh that you have access to
that you can look at it from every point of view,
in every angle. You can go left, right, under it,
you go above. Uh. This this timeline, you know, from

(48:46):
when the day we're born, you're grown up, you have kids,
you get married, and then the day you.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Die, mkay.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
So this is our timeline of life. And so once
you realize that, uh, you can visit you can manipulate.
You can engage each of each aspect of those each
each a aspect of those UH timelines of l you know,
aspects of UH life. Then you gonna continue to disconnect
yourself from the three D world where you know there's

(49:13):
length with and height and so that's where the UH
physical matter dominates UH because there is no there's no
realm where our uh a s sense of touch can
can go. There's no realm where our sense of sight,
our sense of for hearing, h all those senses because

(49:34):
they're made of matter. When you want to connect, you
want to g you know, connect with your UH what
your guy like, you must lose those things because it
will be like you passing through the eye of a needle.
You must lose all of those things that you previously
known UH in prepara, in preparation for UH what you

(49:55):
do not yet know, which can be scary, but it
truly is not.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah, because you get comfortable and pain. Yes, for example,
you have baby Daddy or baby Lama issues, and it's
normal for you to be like it's normal for you
to be in a situation that causes you pain and stress.
It's not even not even not even normal, but it's comfortable.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yes, and it's safe. It's a known past or predictable get.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
You settle into that, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
But it's like, but all your powers in the present moment,
how you.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Can change and how you can rise out of that
and not succumb to like your normal behaviors, characteristics, gestures,
body language.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yes, talk, self talk, all.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Of that, Like how do you how do you pull
yourself out of what's what you're used to and what's known.
It's almost like the Spider Man, you know, when the
bad Spider Man comes upon him or even venomore so
but he like latches on to you. Do you pull?
How do you pull that? When it feels so good?

Speaker 2 (50:55):
So you have to understands.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Good for you? It just feels good.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yes, definitely, your body gets used to it. Yeah, and
the and it gets a addictive w When we do
finally understand, you really grasp it that you're either uh
operating from a known past or the predictable future. Uh,
you are sacrificing. You are forfeiting your power, which is
always in the present now, in the now moment. Once

(51:25):
you understand that, then you can see very easily how
like s uh scientists believe that uh, our emotions are
the result of an end experience. So the only way
you experience it in it a certain emotion, whatever it is,
is that it must have been a certain experience that
you have engaged in, and that is typically a known

(51:46):
past or a predictable future. So what am I saying? So,
what am I saying is that most people are living
on a regurgitated or repeated lifestyle in a a in
a cycle. Okay, so they're not able to break free
from what you describing. Why are they're not able to
break free because as soon as they open their eyes
in the morning, they go to what is known or

(52:08):
a predictable feature. So you open you soon as you
roll out of bed, you you open your phone up.
You going through all the social media, checking the notifications,
checking the email. Why so you can be connected to
the known m Yeah right, And and you get ready,
you leave the house, you going to work. You're doing
the the same path. You you driving the same streets,
going through the same experiences for a predictable future. Like

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you said, of a job that you probably don't like
and you'd rather not be there. And so you begin
to again lose and relinquish, Uh, your true power, which
is now, which is the unknown? That's the key. Yeah,
but it is scary, right, and so I I believe
it's the movie Interstellar. Uh no, no, I'm sorry, it's
so it's the movie Passengers. Uh when the guy, you know,

(52:53):
he's the only one to wake on the ship you
wanted to out of space Chris Brat, Yeah, yeah, And so, uh,
there's a scene of the movie where he breaks y,
you know, he figures out how to exit the ship
m and he got his shoot on and he's got
this uh you know, he's chained to the ship so
he can go experience outer space. So he leaves the
ship still connected to you know, a certain line. And

(53:15):
the powerful part is that when we were looking out
into outer space, because it is not a known pass
and it's not a predictable future, we are left with
being sandwiched in the present moment. Okay, and so since
the present moment is unknown, it's unpredictable. We don't have
any connection to the outer space. There is no cell phone,

(53:38):
there is no previous relationship, there is no family relationship,
there is no job except r there's nothing known in
the unknown count counter into it. It sounds like and so,
but that is the beautiful tapestry, that's the beautiful canvas
to live from, which is how we go with the flow,
which is how we UH go with and we live

(53:59):
life with the ease and less resistance because we are
constantly That's the battle, the true battle of every day
UH to not be relegated to a known past or
predictable future. And that's gonna buy br UH a natural
by product. Keep you in the present moment, in the
present moment, it's where you can create. This is where
people manifest. The use that that worry a lot, now,

(54:19):
this is where you manifest. This is where you create
the life of your dreams in the present moment, the moment,
the millisecond that you detach yourself from the addiction. Because
it's a past. The emotions are the result of a
past experience. You're living in the past or you're living
in the future. You're living on a repeated program.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
MM.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
So you're not even free. You're sleep. You're literally asleep
because your habits predict your future. Your habits. Will you
show me your habits and I can tell you your
future right now? This e this epiphany here M g
blew me away as well. Uh, because scientists say that
we have about upwards of for sixty thousand thoughts a day. Uh,

(54:58):
that we speak upwards of about eight to ten thousand
words a day. Uh, but we write, we write a
b l s much smaller than that, a few thousand
one or two thousand, three thousand, depending on your job,
your lifestyle, et cetera. And so what that does is
it automatically creates like a cone, like a tornado, where
the top is bigger and the bottom is huh like

(55:20):
a funnel, it's smaller at the bottom. So at the top,
sixty thousand thoughts everything that comes about death, murder, destruction, uh,
manifesting uh, bore bore, vacation, dream body, a billion dollars
in bank account, solving world huh, hunger, everything. These are
thoughts that uh are related to you and non related

(55:42):
to you, just because we're connected uh to everyone. Right,
So six thousand thoughts at the top. Uh, you begin
to filter that down by the words that we choose,
the words that we speak, uh, So that filters down
all of those thoughts, which is why there's you know,
there's so much power uh life of definite power of
the tongue. And so the more you speak, the more

(56:03):
you actually able to filter out and and slim down
all of these random thoughts thought you supposed to be thinking,
and thought you not was to be thinking. Uh. And
then there's one more level, which is why the Bible
is so transcendent, is because it's it's physical words. And
so what I just or outlay for you, outline for

(56:23):
you was uh intangible. Right, So thoughts then words you
know you can you can't see it, touch and feel it.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
But the words you write down, which is why journaling
is so important and so uh cathartic. Uh, it's another
it's the last level of filtering down all of the
nonsense that could be there, uh, just extra fluff, just
extra uh chaos, extra weight, all these extra expectations from society,
from a relationship, from you know, family, et cetera. Y.

(56:52):
Once you write down words, it is the ultimate clearing
factor uh that can help you sort out your life.
And so once you realize w y W, you know
that's why reading is so important too, right, Yeah, they're
have energy, Yes, they have energy, yes, uh, because the
people have whoever the whatever words you're reading, they've went

(57:14):
through that process. That's why it's so powerful and so spiritual.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
You know, you read books and you get a short
cut y into someone's life and successes.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
And so I wanted to kind of paint that that,
you know, journaling is so important.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Once you write down things, you actually bridge they the
the gap uh from the non physical uh to the physical.
That's the that's really the only method.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yeah, and that's good. And I think you know something
I wanted to just end on too, is which where
you helped me at a lot and I think it'll
help a lot of people from understanding like you touched
on it a lot and you were expounded on it
very eloquently. You know, the difference between fear and danger
and stuff like that is I think for me as
we you're you know, as we bring these convers as

(58:00):
you do a close essentially is I feel like daily anxieties,
but it's important for me to realize that I'm not
actually in danger, that is perceived danger. And that's the
main thing I really want people to take away from
that if they are somebody who is like dealing with anxiety,
learning how to access these asp aspects of their brain

(58:22):
learning how to tap into their God's self in a
moment's notice when they're like going through something that seems insurmountable,
or when they're going through something that seems like it's
really really like a really big deal, but it's really
in reality not like you're not in danger, that's not
gonna happen. Like what you're thinking and what you're visualizing.

(58:42):
Like what I guess would you say to people in
terms of like.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
I would say, you need to s we need to
start get comfortable with this. We need to start thinking
from where we want to be. Uh. So that is
a a hack because it allows you to jump over
quite literally uh, the perceive obstacles in your way that
perceive danger to perceived fear. You know what we discussed.

(59:10):
So when you think from where you want to be,
if you were to look back, what you thought was
a problem, what you thought was you know, weighing you
down and barging down, it's in the past. You were
already like looking forward. And so when once you take
on that that mantra of thinking from where you want
to be, I think from victory, so like the game

(59:32):
has already won. Uh, fourth quarters, you got one minute
left from up twenty points in the basketball game. My mindset,
my behaviors, it's gonna be totally different than if the
situation was reversed. And so that tells uh communications to
our body on a subconscious level that all is well, Uh,
we're not in danger.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
And so what you highlighted, you know earlier in the
episode of you y, you had fear, that's a n
but you also had supernatural peace that surpasses all logical understanding.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
MM.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
You began to when you made that jump, you made
that hurdle, you began to think from where you want
to be, which is in heaven.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
And so that began to put your body at ease.
All you know, you know, there's par of nervous parasitic uh,
nervous system uh that you began to bring at ease.
Calm down, relax, Uh, let's let's divert energy else places,
you know. And so once you begin to really get
comfortable with thinking from you're gonna a n A natural

(01:00:36):
bright product of this is gonna detach yourself from all
of the things that you would like triggered by. It's
gonna be a thing of the pass.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Yeah. And that's when I wanna lead, I wanna challenge.
I think some of our viewers and people who are
listening or watching to find themselves in a circumstance that
they would normally be comfortable in, and the circumstance that
is not positive, like an unfavorable circumstance. Yeah, and not
any not be uh tempted to just move or move

(01:01:04):
or to react or to respond like how you normally
would from a known past to instead.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Or a predictable future or.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
A predictable future, or to tap in. You know, what
I'm challenging is for those people to tap into their
God's self in the moment's notice, to tap into the
ability to see themselves from a bird's eye view so
that they can get outside of themselves so that they
can change to they just change themselves and see themselves in.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
A different perspective the way God does.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
The way that God does see.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
That's why he does trip. God the a trip. You
be looking down like I can see your whole life.
I can look around, up and down around. Yeah, it's
really not that big of a dire. And I give
you many more op opportunities to uh alleviate yourself. Yeah,
when you have that perspective. You think there's okay, I
must go straight, I must face this thing head on.
W Well that's your conclusion, that's uh, you not giving

(01:01:56):
yourself affording yourself the opportunity to have a new perspective
of new angle life.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Uh, you know, whatever the situation uh may be, I
like to always share two you know, the difference of angles,
you know. So we got this angle of the camera, right,
So there is some angles right now where we are
in this room where I don't have a good perspective,
but I can't still imagine. So this corner of that couch,
I can't see it with my sight, but I can

(01:02:22):
see it with my mind. I know there's no trash
can right there. As an example. And so once you
realize that, y, I can literally from this physical place
I'm seating right, I can take my perspective and change
it to where I can look on the back side
of that couch right now. You can do the same here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
And you can do the same with your life.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
You can do the same as your life, your bank account,
your health, your wealth, uh, your relationship, educational, your career,
all of that. You can literally look at it from
a different lens. And perspective, and then that in and
of itself is gonna give you new information. See, God
gives you more when you're on your way than when
you standing still. So the more that you are more
moving along the process, you you continue to progress, Uh,

(01:03:03):
you're gonna get new information. New information changes things.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Yeah, I love that. Shout out to Brian for that
insight because that's incredible. Yes, But yeah, so this was
a great conversation. I got a lot out of this.
I don't talk about my panic attack a lot. I
thank god I haven't really had.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
One since then quite a while, and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
I'm praying that I don't experience that again, cause it's
not fun. But knowing that I understand what's happening now,
in the case that those symptoms do present themselves again,
I kind of know how to combat them. And so yeah,
there's steps obviously to be able to do that. Obviously,
you know, to consoling with somebody, finding whit's counsel people

(01:03:45):
if you're dealing with a panic attack, with uh breathing,
you know, being able to take you know, deep brands,
to kind of calm yourself down and to bring yourself
to terms with the fact that you're not in actual
danger I think is the biggest thing. And then you're
not actually you know, going to die if you're having

(01:04:05):
a panic attack. But yeah, so yeah, thank you for this,
and thank you for being the the calm.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
In my storms, your voice of.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Reason, the voice of reason and rationale because you're really
really good at that. You enjoyed this episode and kind
of unpacking you know, my panic attack and anxiety versus
are living tapping into our gods. So you got real
scientific on us for a second.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
That's just a surface to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Dictionary or something, because that was good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Yeah, good, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Wrap another one down, another hand,