US Intelligence Analyst Sarah Gamm Goes Public on UAPs / UFOs

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Everyone. I'm Matt and welcome to the Good Trouble Show.
The UAP UFO subject remains front and center with an
avalanche of news and developments. You have, of course, Louelizondo's
new book, which is number one on the New York
Times bestseller list, Emminent, which is just fantastic. I'm so
so happy for him. It was announced that Nancy Mace

(00:30):
will chair new UAP hearings in Congress. But perhaps the
most important item of business would be this. The United
States Senate has returned from recess and will vote for
the UAP Disclosure Act of twenty twenty four. It's actually
called the Unidentified Anomalist Phenomena Act, a Disclosure Act of
twenty twenty four. And this amendment will be for inclusion

(00:51):
in the Senate version of the Nance National Defense Authorization Act.
And I have some news about this which is really important.
Making sure audio and everything here is good. Okay, So
let me back up for a bit. This legislation is

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absolutely critical that it go through. This is the best
chance that we have. There are other things happening, of course.
I mentioned the UEP hearing coming up. That's a big
thing I know of some of the people that will
be testifying, and I think it's going to be it's
gonna be big, and it will be something that members

(01:35):
of Congress will say that members of Congress that are
not friendly to this subject will be impossible to ignore.
I can also say to members of the Pentagon and
the intelligence community that are watching, this day of reckoning
is coming and it is either up to you, everyone

(01:57):
in the Pentagon, the Department of Energy, and in the
Intelligence community on how this goes. It is either going
to go well or it's not. And that is going
to be up to you, because either way, this is
coming out and people will be held accountable. Mark my words.
We know who you are. So the best thing to

(02:19):
do is to is to come clean. Come clean with Congress,
come clean with the American people, the path to reconciliation
for people in the Department of Energy and the Pentagon.
In the CIA, we know what's going on. Members of
Congress know what's going on. Members of Congress, know that

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you in the Pentagon have been lying, abjectly lying to
the American people to Congress. This is going to come
to an end and it is up to all of
you in the Pentagon, in the CIA, in the Department
of Energy is to how well this is going going
to go for you, mark my words. So going back

(03:05):
to this, to this legislation, as I mentioned, this is important.
It is important in that this is the best chance
for getting digging into all of this. There are other
mechanisms that will that will be executed if this doesn't happen.

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But here's the bottom line is that this legislation is
in trouble. The legislation is in trouble, and the only
way that we can maximize our chances of digging this
thing out is for everyone watching to call tomorrow morning.

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Call your lawmakers, Call your congressman, call your congresswoman, Call
your senator. Call the senator that are sponsoring this bill.
Call the office of Senator Mike Rounds. Called the office
of Senator Kirsten Jillibrand, called the office of Senator Chuck Schumer,
called the office of Senator Heinrich, Call the office of

(04:16):
Marco Rubio. All of you watching, you have the power
to make this happen. But I want to read to
you what is going on. So this is from someone
that I regularly speak with in the Senate. I'm sorry,

(04:38):
and that it was previously in the Senate Chairman of
Senate Armed Services Committee, Jack Reid, has now stated that
it is unlikely unlikely that the Senate Armed Services Committee
and House Armed Services Committee will proceed to actually this
will be a Senate Armed Service and Senate Intel will

(04:58):
proceed to conference informally, which could very well mean that
the bill is not even going to be called up
for a vote on a motion to proceed, which would
include a manager's package of amendments. If that is what
Red means, we are in trouble. But it is possible

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that read means only that there will not be an
actual floor debate on the bill after the bill is
brought to the floor via vote on motion to proceed,
in which case we are still in the game. It
is remotely possible absent a vote on a motion to
proceed on a substitute bill that includes a manager's amendment package.

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The House might agree to consider some filed Senate amendments
in the informal conference, but I would bet that the
House will insist that only such amendments they will consider
are only the ones where there is no objection. So,
in other words, it's likely that the House would insist
on a unilateral veto right. So what I was told

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to stress here is that the UAPDA, the uap Disclosure Act,
is in trouble, not because it's opposed in substance, but procedurally.
That is the only path for including legislation like this
that spans across multiple committee jurisdictions is for the Senate

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as a whole to consider and to vote on it.
There are many amendments in the queue for consideration in
the National Defense Authorization Act. If Senator Chuck Schumer is
unable due to the press of the Senate calendar to
bring it up for the NDAA, all pending amendments would
fall away not be included in the bill. So, really,

(06:55):
what we're advocating for here number one, and this is
what all of you that are watching right now and
for the If you have friends that are interested in
this topic that aren't watching this show, I would encourage
to tell them about this, have them watch the very
beginning of the show at least so they know what
to call, what to say to the Senators and the

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Congressman in calling regarding the uap Disclosure Act. So Number one,
the Senate should include the uap DA in the Substitute
National Defense Authorization Act that would be part of the
motion to proceed on the NDAA. And secondly, the Senate

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should take the time to vote affirmatively on that motion
so that at least the Senate in DAA would be
regarded by the House as including a bunch of amendments,
including of course the uap DA. You know, al if
there's no vote on a motion to proceed, that is,
if Schumer concludes he doesn't have the time on the

(08:06):
calendar to go through that, we can't blame him. This
is a procedural thing that is going on. It would
have nothing to do with Senator Schumer or Senator Rounds
support on this. And yeah, so so you know the

(08:27):
long and short of it. And I've I've said this
to everyone that that watches this show that it none
of these folks, the Pentagon, the c i A, the
Department of Energy, the Executive branch, which has been running
a muck with this topic. Doesn't matter if it's a
Republican administration or a democratic administration. They've been running a

(08:50):
muck with this topic. And uh, and it is it
is time all of this silliness come to an end.
You cannot have a democracy. You cannot have a healthy
democracy when you have fifty or so senior executive service
level people in the government and the equivalent executives in

(09:15):
private aerospace. I'm talking about Lockheed Martin, I'm talking about
Northrop Grumman. I'm talking about Aerospace Corporation. You cannot have
this collusion, this illegal collusion of aerospace executives colluding with
members of the Pentagon, the CIA, and the Department of

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Energy to keep all this stuff illegally hidden from Congress.
Members of Congress, I know that there are senators and
members congressmen and women that watch this show along with
their staffers. I would say to you, now is the
time to take back your power. You have a constitutionally

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mandated oversight of the executive branch that the Pentagon, the CIA,
the Department of Energy, and these aerospace executives are literally
giving you the middle finger. You're given the Constitution the
middle finger, if you want to think about it that way.
But it's it's disgusting, and it has to come to
an end. And the only way, all of you in Congress,

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for all of this to come to an end and
to mitigate what has been an existential threat to our
democratic republic is to get up and do something about it.
You have the power the executive branch. You know, I

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know there's a lot of arguments between having the executive
branch having an incredible amount of power over the over
the over the legislative branch. But folks, this is time.
This ends. And again saying to all of you, either
if you're an executive and private aerospace and trust me

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if you're boeing your Lockheed or any of these folks,
and it has found that you have not been truthful
in your Security Exchange Commission reports or your financials, and
you have not been truthful with your shareholders. The level

(11:26):
of criminal liability that all of you and the C
suite will be under will be unlike anything you've ever
seen because you've misrepresented the valuation of your company. Now,
people in the Department of Defense and the Pentagon and
the CIA, in the Department of Energy, this is coming out.

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There are hearings that will be coming up. This is
not going away as hard as Susan go. And all
of these debunkers that are on somebody's payroll that are
trying to throw a bunch of you know, I don't
know what you want to call it, but chaff into
the air. This isn't going away, folks. And how this

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goes for all of you that have hidden this illegally
from congressional oversight, all of you who have illegally engaged
in whistleblower retaliation. I'm talking about people in the Office
of Global Access for the CIA. I'm talking about Douglas

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Wolfe who was started, helped start the Office of Global Access. Congress,
if you want a subpoena somebody to find out exactly
what the Office of Global Access has been up to,
that's who you need to subpoena, because I can tell
you the Office of Global Access operating in denied a

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territory recovering. You know they're good at recovering things like
loose nukes, Well, they're also good at recovering something else,
and Members of Congress should know about it. Members of Congress,
you cannot legislate when you are in the dark. You
cannot legislate. When the Pentagon lies to your face, you

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cannot legislate. When the CIA lies to your face, you
cannot legislate. When the CIA lies about Havana syndrome, you
cannot legislate we all of us that put all of you,
all of these good men and women, Republican and Democrat,
into office. You can't do your job. You simply cannot

(13:36):
do your job when you are not being told the truth.
And mark my words, you are not being told the truth.
All of this is classified under one of two ways.
It's under under a PEED under Presidential Emergency Action Directives,
which are the same the same level as continuity of

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government operations and the Nuclear War Plan, which is I
think called OP Plan eighty eighty eight. The other way
it's classified Members of Congress is under the Department of
Energy under the nineteen to four Atomic Energy Commission. I'm sorry,
Atomic Energy Act. This is all classified as I don't

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have my notes here because I wasn't on a bit
of a ramp. But if you go back to one
of my other videos, I go into detail, but essentially
UAPs the crashed materials that JASOK and the Office of
Global Access and these private aerospace contractors have been picking up. Oh,
by the way, without congressional oversight. All of that is

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classified as special nuclear material. It's classified under restricted and
previously restricted data. So if you want to go digging,
Members of Congress. That's where you need to dig. I
was looking to see if I have my notes on that,
but I don't. Anyway, people, the people that I know

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you're talking to, because I talk to them all the time,
they can tell you exactly how these programs are classified
and how they are using these kind of loopholes in
the Atomic Energy Act to hide all of this. And
I would also remind all of you too that all

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of this stuff that's classified in the Atomic Energy Act,
the president does not have unilateral authority to declassify it.
It's like the president can't go and just decide he's
going to give a nuclear weapons designed of Vladimir Putin.
The classification infrastructure is not built that way that it

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has to be approved by a committee, which are again
these sees folks in Department of Energy and the Pentagon
that I believe, I'm not entirely sure, but the CIA.
UH SO, this misnomer that that the president can just
pull this stuff and out of the bag and say
kadda here it is that is not accurate. It's they

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classified this by design to make sure the president can't
leak it because because it falls under special nuclear material,
this falls under UH the Espionage Act, and if you
violate the Espionage Act, the punishment is is execution. We

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know what happened to the Rosenbergs. So that is why
people don't talk. Because this is classified in the DOE
and and it's under the UH, under the UH, you know,
under this UH this provision where it's it's serious business.
If if they if they leak this, it is it

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isn't a a a total abuse of that classification authority.
It is not meant to do that. They have. Havana
syndrome is classified in the same bucket as UAP in
the Department of Energy. So Members of Congress, when the
CIA is telling you that they don't know anything about

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Havana syndrome, they are flat out lying to your face.
It is classified under in the Department of Energy under
special Nuclear material I think it's called transclassified Foreign transclassified
nuclear information. That's that's a classification bucket. So Members of Congress,

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that's where you need to do your digging, because that's
where they have hidden all of this, and they've they
stuffed it into the DOE and into pede's Presidential Emergency
Action Directors because they know you and Congress do not
have the legal authority to look into it. They know this,
That's why they stuffed it in there to hide it

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from you, To legally hide it from you. It's un
American and it is absolutely wrong. That's all I have
to say. So I hope every one of you are
as hop and mad about this as I am. We've
seen the abuse that people like whistleblowers Louel Azando have endured.

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We've seen the abuse that David Grush, whistleblower David Grush
has endured. I've been privy to some of the physical
threats that they have endured, and I can tell you
I can't it's not my place to share, but I
can tell you there is nothing more un American when

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you have the Department of Defense throwing our men and
women who served our country and gave it all under
the bus. That is not what our founding fathers meant
for this country. That is not what this Constitution stands for.

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And the only way this is going to change is
from members of Congress to step up to the plate
pass the UAP Disclosure Act. It is time, and this
is a once in a lifetime opportunity for all of
you in Congress to absolutely make your mark on American

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history and leave the kind of legacy to your children
that you should be leaving. There you go, So everyone tomorrow,
please please do your thing. Please please please call, please
call your congressman, and yeah, there you go. Okay, so

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There you go. Okay, So, our next guest is an
intelligence professional for SAIC or science applications international corporations. Corporation
as a nuclear campaign analyst and supports the Secretary of
the Air Force and the Air Force Studies and Analysis Division.
While while she was an analyst at the National Geospation

(20:51):
Geospatial It's a mouthful intelligence agency, she was a member
of the UAP Task Force. This is her first time
to go public with her experience. Please welcome Sarah gam Sarah,
how are you hi?

Speaker 2 (21:07):
I am great, Thank you. That was a good intro.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, thank you, I well, thanks. I tend to go
on a bit of a RNT sometimes, but this is,
you know, this is just such a critical time. We
have had seventy years, seventy plus years of this, just
lie after lie after lie from the Pentagon. And as Chris,

(21:33):
you know, we had Christopher Mellen, a former Deputy Undersecretary
of Defense or Intelligence on our show just I think
it was what Friday, Monday, believe, yeah, Monday. And you know,
and as he pointed out, there is such distrust in
the government that the path to reconciliation for the government
is going to be so much better. They rip off

(21:54):
the band aid and do it now, because if they
keep kicking this can down the road and denying it
when the truth does come out and names get named,
which will end up happening. Boy, it's it's going to
be It's going to be something else. Okay, this is
all about you. Firstly, thank you very much for coming
on the show. I know that that this takes just

(22:16):
an incredible amount of bravery. And my question to you
before we start digging into this, and I want to
dig into somebody that docksed you yesterday. We're going to
address that at the very beginning, But why are you
doing this?

Speaker 2 (22:33):
My first gut response is why not? H It's kind
of given me a lot of courage lately with you know,
lou Elizondo's book that came out, it was, you know,
the ending of that really helped me, I guess, light
a match and want to talk and to help validate
and maybe help give somebody else courage to come out

(22:56):
as well, with James Fox's film coming out as well.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
It's just.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
I don't know if I believe it's the right time,
but the stars have aligned right now, and I mean,
why not? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Why why not? Now? Now? As I mentioned yesterday, New
York Post journalists, which I would use the term journalist
loosely a guy by the name of Stephen green Street.
He docksed you, which I would remind everyone as a
violation of Twitter terms of service agreement, and I would
encourage everyone here to not only report Stephen green Street,

(23:33):
but I would also encourage everyone to call the New
York Post. There's a I meant to I meant to
pull it up. But there is a a journalist code
of ethics that every American journalist signs supposed to sign,
and it is this. It is every journalist's creed. And

(23:53):
one of the you know, one of the things in
this journalist journalist's creed is to not willingly do harm.
And this is what this guy does. He's no journalist.
Uh he's more of a I don't know, he's not
even he's nothing. But anyway, uh so, what he meant
to do was basically was an impotent attempt to smear

(24:19):
you by talking about your your paranormal work, your psychic work.
And I just have to say, I'm so sorry this happened.
This is how these guys operate. They operate in the gutter. Uh.
They are the lowest of the low. Uh many of
them I think are just plaining psychopaths. But I just

(24:40):
want to see you know, what do you have to
say about this? Your your psychic work. I know that's
not why you're on the show. You're here to talk
about your experience with UAP while while you know, working
at n g A and on the UAP task Force.
But what would you like to say to everyone about this? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:59):
That was I'm not really a surprise that he did this.
He did reach out to me last year for interviews
and I did not respond, so I knew something was
coming one day. Didn't expect that to be yesterday. But
I mean what he talked about on my jobs and
my psychic mediumship work are all true. And you could

(25:21):
go out there and watch some of the live ghost
Time videos if you want. I am very proud of
who I am from all aspects of life. Took me
a long time to become proud of every bit of me,
in every cell. I am so grateful for this journey,
the unexpected turns that I've had, but I have accepted

(25:43):
it all and I am who I am. I appreciate
when you said this wasn't supposed to be the focus
of tonight, because it's definitely not. I'm happy to come
back on another time or talk somewhere else about more
of the spiritual stuff, but for now. I actually I
was a little flattered because most of it was true.

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And I'm proud of all of the work that I've
done in my life.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
And one question to you, and we, of course we've
spoken about this before you before you were on the show,
but people having in the CIA and the intelligence community,
there are a lot of people that are there that
have paranormal abilities.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Correct, Yeah, that's correct. My last job that I had,
my program manager knows all about all of my gifts
and my abilities and what I do, and care less.
I was working in a compartmented program and no one cared.
Some of my coworkers knew, no one. It doesn't even

(26:48):
a bad it. I know, it doesn't come up in conversations.
No one cares.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
That's great, Yeah, I mean it's it's look as you know,
as Lou pointed out, even even police use psychics and
me and whatnot to find uh, find missing people, and
a lot of times it ends up working. I truly
believe some people have these gifts. Clearly you do, uh
and you wear it as a badge of honor. It

(27:12):
is absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about quite the opposite.
It's something to be proud of that you have been
blessed with this gift. And uh, yeah, sonore ignore these
folks would be my advice to you.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
These people are are up to no good. They mean harm,
they mean to harm you. Uh and uh and that
is unfortunate that we have people like that guy from
New York Post there. So we're gonna leave it with that,
because this show is about you. It's not about that. Uh.
And and I'm so glad you you came on the show.

(27:49):
So so tell us a bit about your educational background.
I think it's pretty interesting.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
I my undergrad is in astrophysics, but on paper it
is physics, so everybody does look that up. It is physics,
but we for legal reasons, it's not on paper for astrophysics. Anyways.
I am actually on the advisory board of the physics
department that I graduated from as well, so we have

(28:16):
meetings once a year. I love it. I get to
geek out and nerd out all I want and see
professors and see what students are doing. I got my
masters in countering weapons of mass destruction, and that was
a fellowship program through the National Defense university paid for
actually by the government DoD specifically the Navy. Unfortunately the

(28:36):
program doesn't exist anymore. Closed last year or two years ago,
now I forget, but very very unfortunate, very sad day.
But it was a fellowship program through Missouri State University.
They have a satellite campus in Virginia. So I kind
of got two degrees through that as well, a fellowship

(28:57):
certificate and then the diploma as well.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
And so what is a degree encountering weapons of mass destruction?
What does that entail? Like, I know what weapons of
mass destruction are, but with a degree with that, what
what is what do you do with that? And I'm
just operating from a place of ignorance.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
No, it's okay. Oh, it's actually a common question because
it is kind of broad. And I also had no
idea what I was signing up for. Didn't expect to
get accepted in the program either. I just thought this
sounded really cool and I'd have my degrees from the
same place. But it consists of, you know, learning the
history about WMDs and a Manhattan project, and so I

(29:40):
went in knowing how things go boom because of my
physics background. But I never really learned the policy of
things and diplomacy, how to properly write. I used to
joke that I science, not English, and I had to
learn how to English very quickly. Had to learn argumentative
essays and all kinds of stuff. So we learned and
a broad spectrum of things, and then kind of ended

(30:03):
up specializing in a like a few items, I guess,
I guess you could say. So we had did have
some classified classes. They went up to secret. So that
was pretty neat being able to learn in a class
environment in a classified level. Every once in a while, classmates,
we get pretty close because we see each other more

(30:24):
than some of them see their own families. We covered
all kinds of things from we had to read the
nine to eleven Commission report, so since today's nine to eleven,
I thought it was actually important to mention that too,
and prayers to all the people out there who lost families.
What else are we we covered the gamut. My thesis

(30:45):
was actually a non traditional WMD, so I used water
as a WMD, so like a damn purposely breaching a
dam and causing a discriminate death and destruction, and other
things that that dealt with water, like cyber attack and
hacking into a structure. I don't know today, answer that, produm.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, no, no, you totally did. Okay, So you graduate college.
What was your first job in national security?

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I actually worked for Lockey Martin and I was a
systems engineer and I was at a NRO ground.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Station on for doll Board and that's a National Reconnaissance office. Correct, yes,
And what does the NRO do specifically?

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Oh my gosh, I'm sorry, one of my cats is
deciding that he wants to join.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Bring him on. Everyone's welcome on the Good Trouble Show.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah. So what does NRO do? NRO builds and operate satellites,
so classified satellites, and where I was working was a
ground station for one for operating them.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Got it? And what other positions have you held in
the intelligence community.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
I've had a lot. I don't think we have time
for that. People probably don't care about something.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
This is good, this is all understanding your qualifications.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Well, thank you. I again started off at this ground
station and was a young thing fresh out of college
in charge of some pretty big stuff that was a
little bit unbelievable. But this path ended up leading me
down to supporting the Joint Collaboration Center, which unfortunately is
closed now, but it was a twenty four to seven

(32:36):
operations cell that supported The goal was to support the
warfighter because the person that created it and founded it,
he unfortunately has passed away, but he was under attack
in Afghanistan and needed help and the result was him
creating this twenty four to seven cell. And I ended
up being a SAR Synthetic Aperture Radar image scientist. So

(33:00):
SAR isn't like what you take on your cell phone.
It's kind of like sonar on a boat, where something
might be a log or a big fish, or you
don't know, use your imagination might be something else. So
SAR isn't a pretty picture like that. There's a lot
of math and science behind it. And I ended up
falling in love with it. And it was good job
security because people also didn't like to look at the

(33:22):
imagery as well and to interpret it. But kind of
like physics, once you're brain clicked on to certain aspects
of physics, you got it, and that's how this was.
And I just I really fell in love with it.
I fell in love with the community. My mentors were
the top of leadership at the time, and most of
them still are. So I was I was in good

(33:45):
hands and fell a passion or fell in love with
something and had a passion. So then I ended up
going to NGA and switched over to be a govey.
I started out as a star image scientist for many years,
got to do some really really doudible stuff. I was
in the right seat at the right time. Supported some
mosele dam in I rock things and also Cjtfoir which

(34:08):
is combined to eight task for his Operation Inherent Resolve
for defeating ISIS and fighting against ISIS. It was the
air strike in the air fight no boots on the
ground that President Obama that he established. It was pretty incredible.
I spent a lot of time in the Middle East
one of those years that I was supporting it. You know,

(34:31):
I'm from Missouri. I've never experienced sandstorms or one hundred
and twenty five degree plus heat, and I did for
the first time ever. I and so that ended up
leading me to be an image analyst. Ended up rotating
to be an image analyst and supported his BALLA are

(34:51):
not supported. I covered his BALLA issues and then I rotated.
I got recruited into the research director at MG. I
was a research scientist for them for many years, focused
on other things, went back to my sorrow passion and
ended up working on some SAR imagery again. And that's

(35:12):
also how I got on the task force and then
after that another cool job I do want to talk about.
I know people are probably getting bored right now, but
that's actually really important in this part in this podcast
is I got a joint duty assignment at ODI and
I and jdas are like a two year and sometimes

(35:32):
you could you could end up getting more time frame,
but mine was a two year assignment ODI and I
to NCBC National Kind of Proliferation and Biosecurity Center, where
I was a nuclear strategist. There, I forgot my job
title for a second nuclear kind of perforation strated us.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
There we go, Hey, I forget what I'm doing on
this show half the time. So I completely I completely
understand that.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
So that's totally distracted me too. I don't want to
knock over things.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, blame it on that. Yeah, blame it on the cat.
So so uh now now I got flustered. So, so
what exactly does the n g A Because we hear
all these government acronyms you have, uh uh, you know
D O D C, I A O D and I.
What does n g A do because we know that's
what David Grush, who David Grush worked for.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
M H n g A, so national, like you said earlier,
National Geo Spatial Intelligence Agency. We used to joke that
the I A silent because it's it's hyphen needed. So
n g A and n r ROW basically have to
work together. So n r ROW is they build the
satellites and operate. This is my cat build the satellites
and operates the satellite.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
You can show the cat and n g A, well.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
We'll see if he jumps up. He'll probably jump up
here in a second, Okay, And then n g A
will uh take that imagery and do image analysis with it.
And like what I was doing with image science, I
was able to create and help tests them like different
algorithms to pull stuff out. So JA also doesn't they

(37:07):
also use commercial imagery, which commercial is unclassified. So yeah,
period is this is krypton everybody.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Kitty cat, I crypton.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
This sou. Yeah, they also use unclassified imagery. But NNGA
was first known for back I forget what Their original
name was That's a Bad Employee DEMA. But they specialized
in cartography and mapping, so that was the foundation of
the agency, was working with imagery, doing mapping cartography. I

(37:46):
believe back to uh World War two.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Cat's attacking it looks like okay, ye so that yeah,
that's that's fantastic. Those you know, these are good details
that I think kind of fill in the picture because
all of us so often in this topic, here are
these things and we have no idea what they're, what
they're you know, what they stand for or some do,
some don't. I always say my my knowledge is like
a piece of cheese, a piece of Swiss cheese with

(38:10):
a bunch of holes in it. So I have some
photos here of you that I'd like to show everyone.
So so what is this? This is what miss Missouri stated, Yes.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
That is When I graduated from my master's program. That
was a very happy day. I got to sleep a
lot after that. It was a very I mentioned earlier,
it was a fellowship program, so I kind of got
two degrees. We had to work full time while we
were going through this program, and I was way far
out of my comfort zone doing all of this stuff.

(38:43):
So that big smile is also a smile of relief.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
I'll yeah, I'll bet. Okay, let's see next one here, Ala,
you're hanging out with Elon.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
No, I did not. I have not met. I met
some other execs in SpaceX, but I was at the
I was invited. I was a listed as a VIP
for the first Starling launch and that was actually about
a week after I turned in my gosh, after I
turned in my last grad school paper. So I was

(39:21):
so so so high on life because I could finally
sleep and didn't have to take homework and heavy books
with me everywhere I went and a laptop. So I
literally turned in my last paper and had to go
to at a meeting in Miami at Southcombe Southern Command
and then drove up for the launch. So that was
pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Okay, And what do we have here? This is this
is the blurd photo. I blurret out your burd out
your face. But this is the unblurred I mean I blurred.
We blurred out the other folks because those are obviously
intelligence officials. So what was this award for?

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Yes, that is one of my proudest moments. I mentioned
earlier that I did a lot of Mozle Damn support.
So that was an award that we got. We were
recognized for supporting the structure, helping save literally a million lives.
I also helped create I was one, of course, of

(40:16):
a team, because no one ever does something well, maybe
you do do it by yourself, but I definitely didn't.
I was a part of a team to helped create
a new geoant capability. GEOAN is geospatial intelligence, which basically
refers to classified imagery, so they still use that new
capability today, okay.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
And then lastly, oh sorry, lastly, this.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
One nice That was when I was at ODI and
I and that that flag in the background is the
NCBC Seal. It was actually before the name change. It
was called NCPC at the time. Congress changed the name
the month I left the center. But there was a
team award, another team all of us that led WMD campaigns,

(41:06):
and so the leads ended up getting these awards. We
did a lot of work, a lot of foundation work,
so a lot of this didn't really exist much before.
We had to work together, and the teams were divided
up into countries, and so I was in charge of
multiple aspects of the country. So WND consists of like

(41:29):
missiles and nuclear and biological chemicals, so each of those aspects.
I was in charge of reporting and had a team
and we all worked together, and we had to create
reports for finding intelligence gaps, so key intelligence gaps and
helping bridge those working throughout the entire DoD not even

(41:51):
intelligence community worked a lot with DOE all kinds of
other entities in order to fill those intelligence.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
So a question for important question, what's James Clapper like
a guy you'd you'd want to hang out and have
a beer with.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
I will say my encounter with him was very brief.
He was super polite. I'm sure it was a long
day for him because it was an awards ceremony, so
he was getting up there doing these photos with a
lot of people. So yeah, he was super polite, but
it was a brief encounter. So I can't can't click.
I mean, I'm happy to have a beer with him
or some bline, but I can't. Yeah, I don't know

(42:33):
much more than.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
That copy of that. Okay, so let's move on. So
clearly you hold a security clearance. What clearance is that?
If I may ask, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I have a TS top secret sci secret compartmented information,
and I'm able to get read into SAP programs. If
you're an n RO, there are reserve programs, so I
hold you, I guess one of the highest clearances. You can.
Also had a Q clearance as well when I was

(43:02):
at ODI and nine.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
So I'm curious what you think about. I know there's
talk of remerving the minute Man three with putting the
other two warheads back on there. What's your opinion on that.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
I cannot comment. I don't want to go to jail.
I don't I don't want to go to Dale tomorrow
or tonight.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Okay, t trick question. I was going to see if
you would slip up there, but I can. I can
tell you're not going to talk, but we are going
to talk about talk about u aps. Now. Now, as
you mentioned, part of your specialty is the analysis analysis
of sensor data, satellite imagery and whatnot. Correct, can you
maybe give us a little bit more detail on what

(43:42):
kind of thing is in a general way. Obviously we
don't want to cross into anything classified. But in your job,
what are the sorts of open things that you you
can talk about that you that are that are open
in terms of I look at radar, I look at
telescopes or whatnot. Like what do you do as when

(44:03):
you're analyzing imagery.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
You I call it like the physics way. So physicists
would say you use your resources, so use what data
is available out there, and sometimes it's classified imagery and
sometimes that's unclassified. So and then once in a while
you can't get picky and you take what you could get.
I have been able to look at compartmented data, and

(44:31):
then I've been able to look at some of the
same imagery that anyone can can buy off of the Internet,
like some of the unclassified sensors. I don't know if
I want to stay because I don't want to feel
like that's promoting them. But even NASA, so NASA has
civil sensors out there, so I've been able to use

(44:51):
those as well. So yeah, the gamut physics, you use
your resources.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
There you go, you use your resources and the cat
as somebody put in that put in the chat, the
time for disclosure is mew. Yeah. I thought I thought
that was I thought that was pretty pretty pretty clever.
So so you actually have had a case. Yeah, so
you have had a Q clearance in the Department of

(45:18):
energy I have, Yes, I have. Okay, all right, but
we're not going to ask.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
That was when I was at ODI and I so
working where I was. You basically had to have it
because we worked so closely with Doe Have.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Did you ever meet Avril Haynes.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I briefly did. Actually, she was phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
All right, tell her to next time you see her,
Tell her to come on the Good Trouble Show. I
have a few questions for her. So before we get
into the Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure I'm on our list,
her naughty list. I know, I'm certainly on the Pentagon
and Sue Goes naughty list, that's for sure. So before
we dig into the UAP task for stuff. You have

(45:58):
a really interesting story about how you became interested in
the UAP world as an intelligence as an intelligence professional
in the course of your work. Let's tell us a
bit about that.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah, it, actually I do. I've told this story a lot,
and I'm very happy here.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
He is a kitty, very disclosure kitty.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, I'm always appreciative of this story because it also
kind of alludes to my personality that I'm a persistent
person and I kind of don't give up So basically
I ended up on the task force because I didn't
take no for an answer and kept arguing with my
deputy director. At the time, I was at NGA and

(46:45):
the Research Directorate, and so I have to backtrack though
to give to give a little bit more background. So
I graduated with my degree in CWMD just to learn
about cool stuff. Things go boom, different sites, learned about
all kinds of stuff, worked with them, you know, got
to visit the Marines nuclear incident no Nuclear Incidents Response Force,

(47:11):
I think that's what it was. An Indian head and
got to put on like a mop suit and crawl
through some stuff with like a blackout mask on and
a gas mask. Super cool. Anyways, So get I'd get
done with that, and I see a report that we

(47:32):
talked about nuclear missile site and some stuff that happened there,
and immediately I jumped on it, thinking I'm interested in
what this could have been. Was it a UAP, was
it an adversary? I don't know. I'm on this like
cwm D kick and I also have this astrophysics background,

(47:53):
so if it was, it's all kinds of gamma I'm
even thinking about, like gamma ray bursts and solar flare
and all kinds of stuff goes through my mind. So
I ended up finding a chat room and kind of
the rest is history after that. So and there weren't
many people in this chat room. In the chat room,
I know people probably have questions about that. It's a

(48:14):
collaboration tool. And when I worked in the Joint Collaboration
Stall the JCC, we that's what we used to talk
to the war fighter. That's what we used to talk
to people around the world. Anybody with access to the
system could get to this tool.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
I want to I want to interrupt real quick before
I forget, because the cat has me. The cat has
me distracted here. Uh so, so you're you are given
to view a report of a UAP over a launch facility,
over a nuclear missile site.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I wasn't It wasn't given to me. I I don't.
I honestly don't remember. I it stumbled on me or
maybe I just read it, so maybe somebody sent it
to me. I really, I'm sorry. I don't remember how
it came about to my eyeballs got it.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
But can you say where it was? Can you say
where was this in the US or elsewhere?

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Unfortunately, I cannot discuss the location.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Can you discuss what was about the missile site?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
I cannot fully discussed. I cannot discuss that either.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Okay, got it? Okay, So you're on this r space
site and where I cut you off. You were talking
about how this is a tool that war fighters used
to communicate.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I yeah, so twenty four to seven support and great
collaboration tool. People from all over the world that has
access to this system can get to it and you
could chat. So a few of us there was less
than twenty probably of us that were in this room,
very diverse backgrounds and just interested in the topic. At

(49:56):
that point, I didn't even know a task force existed.
I was just wanting to help and interested in this.
And also I joked that I wanted to help my
older sister because I was the biggest X files fan
growing up, and that joke ended up becoming kind of
more of a serious thing. But I use that over
the years when I needed to like break the ice somewhere.

(50:20):
But where was I? Oh, and that led to our space.
So you just mentioned our space and so that was
kind of like a SharePoint site. Well not was, it is.
It's it's still out there, but it's think of like
a SharePoint site where you could store data and then
have comments and create all kinds of folders and stuff

(50:42):
like that.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
So, and what's a classification level of this, of this
our space site.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Well, the classification goes up to the level that the
system is on. I honestly don't remember the very specific
level because they they varied, but but you could have
one if you have a CAT common access card. You
could get to one through an FOUO channel on the

(51:12):
unclassified system as well. So they are on each system,
but they're classified up to a certain level that I'm
so sorry, I actually don't remember the specifics.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
That's okay, but.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I know you couldn't put SAP or classic or compartment
and information on it.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Got it? How many people were in this our space room?
Would you estimate?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
It grew with every news article, with every every major
news article and report that was put out over the years,
it would grow, sometimes exponentially overnight. Some more people were curious,
and we had a lot of people laugh and not

(51:55):
take us seriously. But the few of us that had
been in there for a long time, we would let
them know, like, okay, if you're not serious, go to
another room. So at the time when I first joined,
I would say there was less than twenty people. And
by the time I left over two thousand.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
And where could people post classified videos of UAP in
this room?

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Absolutely so whatever the level that the system could go
up to, you could you could put in there.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Okay. So so it's it's I guess in a way,
how I'm how I think I'm understanding what you're saying.
If if you were, if you're you are cleared to
TS level, you could view TS product that was sitting
in the our space room. Correct, Okay, cool? Right, Hey,
maybe I'll get a job at Arrow. Maybe they'll uh,

(52:51):
I'll uh maybe uh. Sean Kirkpatrick will put in put
in a good word. So, so like you would see
open source videos and then we would see classified videos
of UAP. How were they good quality?

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Yeah, some of them were very good quality, some of
them weren't. We had I would and this is of
course according to my support. So I do need to
say too to let people know I supported from an
MGA perspective. So I reported on the task force to
the NDA lead and then he would meet with a

(53:30):
bigger task force. So I have no idea if all
agencies or entities operated that way, if they had separate teams.
But at NGA, we had people in all different directorates
and different teams with different backgrounds and a diverse group
that were supporting. So, you know, I specialized in SAR radar,

(53:51):
and I specialized it. You know, I had the astrophysics background,
so certain people did certain things. So I didn't see
all of the data that maybe another person that NGA saw,
But through the chat room we all work together. And
that's a lot of the task word. Not a lot,

(54:11):
but some task force members were in this chat room,
in this collaboration tool as well, and we got to
all work together there. So yeah, so I got to
see a lot of blurry just like you guys are frustrated.
Everyone out there is frustrated. We don't have clear data
and clear imagery. We're frustrated with that too on our side,

(54:34):
so not everything is always a clear picture. I feel
like a lot of people assume working on classified data
it's super cool, like what the movies make it out
to seem, and we have the same problems that you
all do too. It's nothing new to us. We want hard,
concrete stuff we want dual phenomenology. We want to capture
something and we want the same things like we're all

(54:57):
on the same team. It's just sometimes we can't talk
about what we see unfortunately can't.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Can you at least say, were there things that you
saw that were clearly not from here? Maybe from our
neighbors somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Yes. Absolutely, there was a few times when no doubt
in my mind, that's not terrestrial, that's not from Earth,
that's not an adversary craft. The way things maneuver g
forces experienced disappear, reappear, pop back up. Sometimes it was

(55:35):
and I know I'm not saying anything new, but it's
like it would like play and you know, pilots would
lose track of something and it's no doubt in your
mind not from Earth.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
And was it the way it moved, was it the
shape like? Without again talking about sources and methods in
a line way, how could you explain that you were
able to come to those conclusions that some of the
things you viewed were not from here. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
That was one of my most fun things I got
to help with. Was because my science brain is always
prevalent no matter what I do in life, and I
ask you know, what could it be? So debunking something
was really fun because you got to learn about perhaps
a system or you got to learn you got to

(56:32):
meet people too, as you're reaching out and talking to folks.
So the group was split. One time we thought something
might have been a camera system failure or it was
a true UAP. And when I say UAP, I don't
necessarily mean that we believed it was non terrestrial aircraft

(56:54):
or NHI. It was just we couldn't identify it. So
there were definitely times when the group would be split
on something, and this would be after months of research
and not be able to come to a conclusion. So
whenever that happened, we were like, Okay, it's a UAP.
And then still sometimes there was a debate, but then

(57:17):
it would resurface after a while because somebody else would
come in months later and be like did you guys
see this, and we're like, God, don't bring this up again.
So that was always fun. But yeah, I was able
to see some odd shaped aircraft. There was i'll caohol
a boomerang at one point. Definitely saw a lot of

(57:37):
balloons and even some balloons later on that we were
able to at one point years ago claient or we
classified it as a UAP, and then a couple of
years down the road, got some new information from I
think it was a Google balloon or something, and we're

(57:59):
able to update at our file, so we're able to
eventually debunk something. So I loved it. So people with
open minds and really wanting to see what's out there.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
You know, just listening to you. What I love about
you is that you are following the data. You're not
just blanketly saying, oh, it's it's seagulls or it's uh uh,
the tic tac is a balloon that floated up. You're
you're you're you're following the data, and you take pride

(58:34):
in being able to into uh uh debunk things, but
properly debunking it, debunking it as a scientist, not because
you have some agenda. You're following, uh, You're following where
the data leads. And I think that in and of
itself just so much so lends to your credibility. You're yeah, anyway,

(58:57):
please please continue. But so you so you saw a
boomerang craft. I guess you know. I have to ask
because people will yell at me if you don't, you know,
why didn't ask her for details? Can you tell us
any more about that? And if he can't, you can't,
you cannot, you cannot.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
I cannot.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
I yeah, okay, under understood. Okay, So let let's let's
go to UAP Task Force. How did you join the
UAP Task Force? Tell us that story?

Speaker 2 (59:26):
That was uh, I'd say a few months after I
started being a part of the Collaboration Tools and my
deputy director was tasked to find some people to support
the NNGA side of the task Force of the UAP
Task Force. So he went to my coworker that was

(59:48):
sitting beside me. He's he was more senior than me
and had a lot on his plate and knew how
to do a lot with a little bit of his time.
So he asked him to be a part of it,
and to forget face to ask him to lead it,
but I know he asked him to be a part
of it, and my coworker was like, I don't have

(01:00:08):
time for that X file stuff, and I was like,
I do you, And so I kind of, you know,
started getting a little jumpy and wanting to officially be
a part of it because at that point, I knew
of the task force, and I knew of some of
the people. I knew who the NNGA lead was. I
knew all these things. It made sense for me to
be a part of it. Put me in coach, right,

(01:00:30):
And so my my deputy director kind of rolled his
eyes and was like, I don't think so, and I
pretty much stated and argumentative essay right there to him,
and he looked at my coworker again who he had asked,
and my co workers like, uh uh, she's ready, or
you know, would like hire her, which there was no hiring.

(01:00:51):
That was being sarcastic, but yeah, so that was how
I ended up. He finally obliged and I didn't take
no for an answer. So that was how I officially
got the task force.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Okay, and tell us what you did. What was your
position on the task force?

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah, I just I supported it from the MGA side,
so I didn't know the broader perspective of who was
on the TESK force. Every once in a while we
would have meetings and it was to me, I guess,
negligible because I don't remember how many people would join
a meeting because they were like dial ins, because it
was an agency was all from all over the icy,
all over the world type things. So yeah, so I

(01:01:31):
just supported from NGA side. So eventually it led to
being a part of some foundational talks of experiments to
try to prove, disprove, duplicate, Like if we had a
video that I'll say a boomerang came in, we'll try
to see if that might have been you know, thermal

(01:01:54):
shadowing off of some water or something from from a balloon,
or we would try to do you replicate what was
happening and then maybe debunk and then COVID shutdown happened.
So that was a big bummer. And for any reasons
of course.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
And what interesting things can you say that you came
across as parts as part of the UAP task Force
analyzing the symmetry?

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Yeah, well, I think I talked about a lot of
it already. Of some of the cool things able to see.
I saw a couple of videos that I can't get
into the source of them, but they're no doubt not
terrestrial based.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
And was can you say was this the the can
was that the consensus as well within the UAP Task Force?

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Oh yeah, sometimes we wouldn't be able we would we
would do what we could do detective work. Look at
the camera systems, look at the wind speed, altitude, parallax,
camera parallax so annoying. So we would look at all
kinds of stuff and send what we found up to

(01:03:11):
whoever was higher up than us, like the lead or whatever,
and so he would take that. So we would do
our investigation and report it up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
And how much stigma you were talking earlier about, you know,
people calling it X files and stuff. How much stigma
did you encounter at the time at when you were
doing work for the UAP Task Force stigma with the
UAP topic.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Yeah, so unfortunately, definitely happened, But I mean I think
that would happen now, but back then it was before.
Oh yeah, it was definitely before the initial reports like
the ODE and I reports that were put out. Anytime
that happened, I usually would know the person that I

(01:03:56):
was talking to because I didn't know a lot of
people at MGA from my other jobs, cause I would
have to work with certain people to task the imagery,
to get the imagery. So when I would talk with them,
they're like, you're kidding, right, and I'm like, actually, no,
we need to find older's sister and so I kind
of break the eyes making jokes and then be like, no,
I'm dead serious. So sometimes we had some good leverage

(01:04:21):
from support of the experiment that we were.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Going to do.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
We had a lot of backing so that it started
kind of dying down slowly and slowly, like the more
reports that came in from pilots, the more reports that
came in, even I'm talking you know, our fighter jet
pilots and then also commercial airline pilots. Like, the more
that came in, the more this like stigma started chipping away.

(01:04:45):
You're starting to chip that ice away a little bit
at a time, and it was pretty amazing to see.
And more people were joining the collaboration spaces and wanting
to genuinely help and not make fun. And more diverse
backgrounds started coming in, and it was it was really
amazing being on the task force where everyone that wanted
to help was welcome. It was like open arms and

(01:05:09):
if you wanted to come to this meeting, that's cool,
or if you can, you want to report to your
lead to see if you could join. It was it
was a really neat space and like we would joke
with each other about it about like you know, the
X file stuff. But we were all there for a reason,
which basically the foundation of it was curiosity and national security.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
And we're just backing up a bit. I know you
were talking earlier about there there was blurry stuff, but
just to make sure I heard you right there, you
were able to view high resolution imagery of UAP that
was clearly not of human origin, correct, yes, okay, okay,

(01:05:56):
And I know you can't talk too much about that
and back can up that back to the nuclear the
nuclear missile incident. Can you can you say was this
a recent thing in terms of the date or was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Like within No, I can say that when I read
the report it wasn't that date, so it was prior
to that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Okay, okay, but you can't elaborate anymore. Okay, understood everybody. No, No,
it's you know, look, that's this is the way this
stuff works. We don't want you getting into trouble. My cat.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
My cats need their mother.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
So do you think that there are going to be
other UAP Task Force members that are going to see
this and decide to go public as well?

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
I really hope. So I hope more and more people
want to come out, like I know, I haven't said
anything absolutely cool, groundbreaking. I'm not sharing a glass of
wine with an NHI, which would be super cool, but
your cat, I really hope that it does. And you

(01:07:07):
don't have to have groundbreaking incredible information. What we need
right now is more people to come out and to
validate and to say that there's stuff here that is
being buried for some reason that I really don't know why.
But I was appreciative of a lot of the support
that I've had already as well. I don't know now

(01:07:29):
is the time to thank people, but I've had After
the doxing happened, I had a lot of strangers reach
out to me, and that was I don't know if
you could feel the smile through the message as I
read it, And I hope, I hope I responded to everybody,
But thank you. I do hope this is going to
help more people come forward, whether you have a story

(01:07:50):
to share of having a glass of wine within a
n HI or been able to see anything on an image.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
And and if I may ask, what is your rank?
My rank like our GS fifteen or.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Like I'm a contractor. Right now, we don't really have
ranks when I left the government, I would have been
considered a GS thirteen. So the nngapay system is a
little bit different. It's not a GS scale, but I
would have been considered a thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Got it. Okay, so you're in the UAP Task Force.
COVID happens, and so of course that throws a monkey
wrenching into everything. What I'm curious about is when arrow
stood up was stood up? Did that have an effect
on the UAP Task Force?

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
That was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
I it was sad. I'm I don't know where to start,
because it was it was just really sad. So when
people started coming back to the office after the shutdown,
I started reaching out seeing if I needed to carry

(01:09:07):
on with the experiment that I was going to be
a part of, and potentially I don't know if they
want to be deleted. I don't Yeah, might have. I
was really excited about it. But I started reaching out
to people again and kept on getting crickets. And then
after a little bit longer, I kept trying to reach
out every once in a while, thinking somebody is just
not back in the office yet. And then eventually so

(01:09:30):
I had like all this cat hair all over me. Now,
so that's fun. So then I just kind of gave up,
and I also got my position at ODE and I
so that I moved on basically, but I was still
supporting from the collaboration tool, so I was still very
present and a part of things from that aspect and

(01:09:53):
that perspective, and was still able to see a few
videos that might have been posted did type thing and
in that collaboration space, and but it was crickets. It
was there, there was silence back, and I just thought
it was very odd, and so I just kind of thought, oh, well,
maybe that's just not a thing anymore, maybe the interest

(01:10:15):
is gone, and so I just made all kinds of
excuses and eventually kind of forgot about it. And then
Ero came along. So when that came up, I was like,
oh my gosh, it's great. I wonder if you have
the task force. People are getting pulled in and we're
still we're going to pick up. And so I started
trying to figure out who was on it, and it

(01:10:37):
was just no matter what route you went down, you
hit a solid brick wall. It was just using the
words sad because that's how it felt. I was so
sad to be so excited about something, and a lot
of work was put into a lot of things for
a few years, and yeah, and all of a sudden

(01:10:58):
it was gone. So for for a few years I
supported from you know, the collaboration space, but it wasn't
really supporting AERO. It was still supporting how we used
to with the task Force. But I will say by
the time it was time for me to move on,
I did work with a person from AERO and it

(01:11:18):
was somebody that was how like I was supporting it,
supporting the task force from MGA, that's a similar situation
that this person was in. So he was supporting it
from a different place, and he actually vouched for some
of the stuff that we were doing in the collaboration
space and was able to get some stuff carried forward

(01:11:39):
so they were able to utilize it. But yeah, we
would try to share our data and stuff with them.
We'd finally get in touch with somebody and they'd say, no,
we have our own database.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
And so you're saying, so, so you guys would go
to Errow and say, hey, we've got this mountain of
evidence or this mountain of data because we've been spending
millions of dollars collecting all this stuff, and Arrow tells
you to take a hike.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Yeah, that's a easy, simple way to put it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Not unbelievable. Excuse me, not unbelievable. That's uh. You know,
Arrow is one giant flypaper operation. Arrow cannot be trusted. Uh,
period the end. Uh, Doctor Sean Kerpatrick or whoever's running
it this, you know this, this, this doesn't surprise me.
But so and and it was after would this be

(01:12:35):
from repeated attempts of trying to provide Arrow information that
they would they would just tell you no? Was this
like a one time thing?

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Now? I know a few of us tried a few times.
And I know and I really started trying to. I
guess poke the bear to be like do you want
this data? We've worked hard on this, And so when
I really poked, it was like no, we got our
own database. So yeah, I don't know how many times

(01:13:06):
others might have poked or attempted. I know people higher
up than me that were at a different agency tried
hard as well. But I'm not gonna speak up for
other people.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
You can't say what agency that was?

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
No, because I hope they'll come forward.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Okay, good, I certainly hope so too. Yeah, I mean,
that's that is just it's it's not surprising. We had
a former deputy under Secretary of Defense or Intelligence, Christopher Mellon,
who essentially said exactly what you said that that time
and again Arrow refused good data because you know, really

(01:13:49):
Arrow's mission was to make this whole thing go away.
Under Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks, who is not doing
any favors for our deputy deputy under Secretary of Defense.
I think is that a title? Yeah, I don't know. Anyway,
you know, they stood up Arrow to basically try and
shut down Jillibrand was the real reason they did it,

(01:14:10):
which is which is sad. But but you do think
that it is possible that other UAP Task Force members
would come forward.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
I really I'm an optimistic person. So some people see
that as naive, but I really hope people do, even
if it's, like I said, not a whiz bang thing
that they have to say, but more people to come
out and validate and say that there's stuff that's hidden
for what I think some of it is for no reason,

(01:14:40):
like what I'm telling you right now. I don't understand
why more people haven't said.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think uh, I think I think
that makes uh make sense. So so we're gonna do
a little midstation break here and then we're we have
a bunch a bunch of audio audio QUI sorry, not audio,
my brain is fried today. A bunch of audience questions,
not audio questions, audience questions that we are going to

(01:15:09):
throw your way. I understand that there's a lot due
to your security clearance that you can't talk about. But
we do have a special show to announce. We do
have doctor Gary Nolan who will be coming on soon.
We are working to find the right date to put
him on because we're trying to time it in support

(01:15:31):
of the UAP Disclosure Act. But this Sunday, watch on
Twitter or excuse me x because this is where we
will announce the time we have louel Azondo live. This
will not be a taped interview. Louie al Azonda will
be appearing live on The Good Trouble Show. We do
not have the time set, but it will be this Sunday.

(01:15:53):
We will be taking a handful of audience questions. Now,
we only, unfortunately have for an hour, so we want
to make the best of that hour. But everyone again,
watch on our ex account at Good Trouble Show And
as soon as we have the time locked down, we
will we will let you know. And yeah, and before

(01:16:17):
we get to the question, I understand you're going to
be in James Fox's new documentary. Tell us a bit
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Yeah, super exciting. I don't I don't know. At one
point I felt terrified, but I think that was because
I have always hidden behind a classified wall. Obviously now
I'm not, but I'm excited. It's really cool time to
be a part of this phenomenon. And James Fox is

(01:16:46):
phenomenal at what he does, and so what better way
to also come out is under him. He also comes
with a lot of support and a lot of people
surrounding him, so that's kind of absorbed through the people
that are in his films as well. But yeah, his
film's coming out, super exciting, hopefully soon.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Fantastic, fantastic. And when you say you're you're kind of
out from the shadows in a sense. I just want
to make sure I understand this. If you were you know,
you worked for SAI C as a as a analyst,
but if you were working directly for the Pentagon the

(01:17:27):
intelligence community, ODI and I or NNGA and you were
you were employed there, you would not be able to
come on this show, correct.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
I wouldn't be comfortable with that if I was a
government employee. Still, Lou, I don't know if any of it.
Just assume everybody's read his book, because it's awesome and
it's the number one best seller. But he does mention
having to step down from being a government employee to
help with the disclosure and with this topic. So it's

(01:17:59):
kind of along those lines. There's different things that different oath.
You take an oath of the government, you know, military
takes an oath when when you go into whatever branch
it is. And so I would not be comfortable coming
forward if I was still a government.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Employee, understood. And may I ask you, have you ever
experienced u AP yourself personally?

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
I did. I saw one brown mountain lights in North Carolina.
I was there with some members of my family and
I actually did see something there and another person there
was a handful of other people there and including some strangers,
and this guy and I both saw this object and

(01:18:46):
it disappeared, reappeared a little bit higher than where it was,
and you know, we at one point in the night
we thought we were seeing aircraft, which we were. There was.
There was definitely a landing strip not too far away.
But what this was is unexplainable. I've also had some
encounters as well. I it's more spiritual based, so don't

(01:19:10):
want that to be a focus of this. My dad's
actually seen one, so he saw something, uh to two
years ago? Yeah, two years ago, so that was really
exciting for him to see that and to tell me. So,
I haven't seen a lot myself, but what I have
seen super bull Even last night. I got home from

(01:19:32):
wine tasting last night and looked up and I saw
the space station. But I knew it was the space station,
but I, you know that science brain, You've got to
make sure. So I got my app out and confirmed
that it was the space station. But so I waved
at everybody that's still up there, and you know, the
two people that are stranded up there right now, and
then it passed over.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
So there you go. Awesome. So so you do have
experience with this, Okay, So let's let's get to some
audience questions here if you don't mind. First of far.
First of all, even Bernard, thanks for doing what you're doing.
Uh A message to you there, So thank you for
that and for the super chat. Uh Michael s asks,

(01:20:10):
did you ever see the Nimetz video?

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
I did, of course, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Did you see the classified version of the Nimtz video?

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Okay, can you say any more than that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
I'm not comfortable doing that because I'm not sure what's
what's still classified.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
And what's not. But there, let me ask you this,
is there more Nimetz video than what is publicly out there?

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
I'm actually trying to remember right now, so that's why
I'm pausing, and uh, I don't remember. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
Well that's okay, but but you do you did see
stuff that was not part of what the public.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Is that that was definitely talked about a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Okay, got it all right, Scott Powers. Were there more
reports of large USO objects like the seven thirty seven
sized object underwater reported by Fravor below the tic TAC.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
So I do know of them. I personally I'm chuckling
because they ended up being a nothing burger because usually
things would be just with the image angle birds migrating
or fishing boats that were just set up in a

(01:21:39):
very particular way. So every thing like that that related
to water ended up being something that was debunked, and
for a little bit at one point we were really
excited thinking it could have been you know, underwater or something,
and hindages ended up not. But yeah, you gotta follow

(01:22:01):
the data. Whether you're you're excited, you get let down,
you got to accept it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
There you go, at Terrence Wallace, what is the most
compelling thing you can discuss and what are your hopes
for the rest of twenty twenty four?

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Oh my gosh, I hope. I'm really not. My family's
going to make fun of us for me, because I
know a couple of them are watching. I hate so
this does sound funny, but it looked really crazy. There
was something that we kind of ended up not kind

(01:22:35):
of that's the wrong word. We ended up calling it
a flying brain. It wasn't balloons. It wasn't. It looked
absolutely bonkers, but it was. That was what we called
it because that was what it looked like. You know,
sometimes those things did end up looking like packs of
balloons from a kid's birthday party, but in this case,

(01:22:58):
it wasn't. It was It was really bizarre. And I'm
so sorry this sounds so silly, but it really did.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Hey, what you saw is what you saw, Okay, gray
Al Did any of your experiences lead you to question
the nature of reality?

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
I don't think so. Because of my spiritual route, and
also when I was going to undergrad in physics, I
one hundred percent believe we weren't the only ones out there.
I way before going down the spiritual path, decades before,
not decades. That was just singular. I sorry, I wanted

(01:23:43):
to correct myself, but I believed in undergrad when I
was nineteen years old, that we weren't alone. So I
think I've always had an open mindset. I've thought, like
when people would ask me about it, especially when I
was in school, are we alone? And I would say,
why are we selfish enough to think that there's infinite
amount of space and war? They only once infinite, infinite

(01:24:09):
and alone. That just blew my mind that some people
would think that. I don't think that changed my perspective
or I was blown away by seeing something like this.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
And I have And backing up, did you say it
looked like a flying broom or balloon? Brain? Oh? Brain? Brain? Okay?
And and was this thing like stationary? Did it move
like it did? Did it have any of the six
five observables.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Yeah, move turn, would you know, like do sudden stops?
And we were able to track it for quite a while.
It was I I'm happy I got to say flying
brain today, So thank you for that question.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
Yeah, definitely, there you go. Maybe it was maybe a
Sean Kirkpatrick's brain flying around. In regards to the origin
of UFOs, did your work experience Oh wait, no, I's
already asked that. Let's see Scott Powers. What are a
couple of books to check out in regards to anomalist
phenomena et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Oh, books, I honestly I haven't. I think some of
my friends I can't refer to them because they're not
on here, but anomalist phenomena. I did end up really
liking a couple of George Knapp books that he's written.
There's one about the skidworkers at Pentagon that's amazing scientific perspective.

(01:25:47):
I've enjoyed some of his books. And of course I've
already mentioned and we've already mentioned it, Lewis al Zando's
book Imminent that gives a really good history. So a
lot of people have to read different books in order
to get the history that is justin Blue's book. So
he covers the gamut on a handful of major events,

(01:26:08):
some of them you haven't been talked about. And that's
like the Phoenix Lights. Thousands of people saw something over
Phoenix that's called the Phoenix Lights. And there's Yeah, I
would say George Knapp's books I've probably ended up enjoying
the most, but I haven't read a ton.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Sorry, yeah, no, I that's that's my problem. And I also,
while while I'm remembering, I want to thank are. We
have quite a number of our chat moderators here volunteering
their time. Uh you know, we figured some of these
antibodies that decided to doc you would come in and
try and cause trouble. So I really appreciate our our

(01:26:50):
chat moderators. They volunteer their time. They they they do
this because they believe in what we're doing. They believe
in in the truth, and I just want to thank them,
and also as well, I want to chakee to really
think everybody that has been making super chat donations, all
of that stuff helps us put shows like this on
the air. Hopefully one day we'll have Coca Cola or

(01:27:12):
somebody sponsoring us, but until then, it's just just me
doing doing this here in the studio. This is a
really good question for Michael ass. Why does she think
they still can't show us these images and videos she
is referring to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Yeah, that is a good question. So some of it
is classified because of the quality, So the system itself,
what's another one location, So the location that what werever
the image or the video is in supporting Like if

(01:27:50):
we're supporting the war fighter and we accidentally get this,
we can't let the adversary know what we're looking at.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Sure, So I hope that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Makes sense, But there's definitely many and so for instance,
you know, our adversaries, if we're released some of this data,
they might know we're looking at them if that's where
the image is. And so it is unfortunate I think
some of the data. And of course this is just

(01:28:18):
me and my opinion, and I am not high on
any food chain in the government, but I do believe
there's no reason to not declassify some additional images and
footage that we've had, you know once in a while,
we well, a lot of this stuff is just what

(01:28:39):
do you say, like a fortuitous situation right where you're
wanting to image the Eiffel time making this up. But
if you're imaging I'm just going to pick the Eiffel towers.
I was thinking about the Olympics for some reason. Just now.
So if you're imaging the Eiffel Tower in something zips
by and you get it, you know you don't want
to maybe disclose that you're looking at the Eiffel Tower. Again,

(01:29:02):
that's a made up scenario. There he goes. The cat's
finally gone. Yeah, So I hope that helps. I do
wish that more can be released. And I don't see
why some can't, you know, they're like the Nemetz video
was declassified and some things of that similar quality. I

(01:29:24):
don't see why I couldn't, especially if the video is
looking at a horizon or something. But that's not of
my power. I am very low in the food chain.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
Well, I tell you what, if they do ask, I
would implore you to ask them to declassify Sean Kirkpatrick's
brain video, although I hear the brain is pretty small, Okay, Nilssen,
Can you ask if Sarah had access to spatial data
on UAPs. She is representing the side that miss missus

(01:29:56):
from the data provenance space based imagery. Also, did she
have radar data of UAP.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
I don't think I understand the first part of the question.
And radar data, I did not have it, but I
I know of many pilots that have talked about it.
And this is totally unclassified, that's not from a classified space.
I can can you repeat the first part of the
question spatial sure?

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
Can you ask Sarah if Sarah had access to spatial
data of UAP. I'm guessing he means space based sensor
data space I think, like like space based ISR platforms.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Yes, So that's a lot of what I was able
to see. I think if i'm I'm hoping I'm we're
interpreting this correctly. So, yeah, a lot of the data
that I've seen was from ISR, but some of it
was also from YouTube. So it's the same thing that
you guys could see. But I was able to use
my background at the time when we were all collaborating

(01:31:05):
together early on, there was no other astrophysicist in the group,
and so we got sent a video from YouTube and
I immediately was saying, that's a bull light. People were like,
what's a bull light? That sounded like a UAP aircraft?
To me and and so I explained it was a fireball.
It was just a really bright media and possibly meteorite
if it entered. And so it was we used all

(01:31:29):
of the systems. But yes, we did use ISR. I
never did see any radar from like a ship or
anything like that, but that was just because of where
I worked and where I was supporting it from. So
I'm sure maybe if you know, the Navy still has
some of that stuff. But I do know one of
my friends worked for the Navy, or he didn't work,

(01:31:51):
he was a part of the Navy. He was a
military and sacrifice for his country. But yeah, he's told
me we were having beers. He's a friend I've had
my entire life. He's like a brother, and was telling
me stories about when he was in the Philippines seeing
orange orange balls and I think green ones and would

(01:32:11):
also see them on the radar and they would send
aircraft out to investigate and always come back empty handed. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Amazing, Christian Morales, thank you again for the super chat.
Everybody's been donating quite a bit. Really appreciate that. Old English.
What sizes of UAPs have you seen football field size,
sphere and cube? However, you can answer that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Really can't get into measurements.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
You can't get into measurements, Okay except for Kirkpatrick's brain,
which we know was small.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Yeah, Unfortunately, adventuating it ats a level. So like sometimes
when you talk about one thing and you talk about
another thing, both things might be unclassified, but when they're
together that's a no no. So unfortunately I can't talk
about got it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
What's your opinion of the circular reporting issue? What's your
opinion of the circular reporting issue? Aero reported? Is it complete?
Bs or might it be true? I think it was
a bullshit that Sean Kirkpatrick, one of his many lies,
basically said that this whole UAP thing is due to

(01:33:22):
a bunch of circular reporting. What are your thoughts on that?
Your personal thoughts, I would say secular reporting.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
I just want want specifically what that means before I respond.
So circular reporting as in this is a nothing burger,
This is when this is parallax and it like that's
the circle, that's the cycle.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
Well, essentially what Sean Kirkpatrick is part of his paid
disinformation campaign, what his bosses up the chain we're telling
them to say, was essentially that the reason we are
looking into this UAP thing, the reason that Congress is
is because Chris Mellon told this guy, and then this

(01:33:59):
guy this guy, and this guy told a staffer, and
that it's that there's there's nothing to it. Kirkpatrick has
been trying to u spend this disinformation because that was
his job, that that all of this is a big
nothing burger.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
Yeah, thank you, I appreciate that. Again, that goes back
to me being sad. Like we we worked so hard
in so many ways with a lot of people and
put a lot of effort in to investigating, and so
when I would hear of what was being said of yeah, this,

(01:34:40):
it's just really sad. And I have seen doctor Kirkpatrick
talk in person, and you know, some of the things
that he said were not accurate. I don't audible chuckles.
I'm not a quiet person, so I might have made
audible chuckles in the audience that point, But I don't

(01:35:03):
know why. I don't think i'll ever know why that
this ended up being how Ero was led, if he
was being manipulated, or I have no clue. I've heard
all kinds of theories on what was being done, but
I just know the facts that there were brick walls
and no one got in, no one got out type thing.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Yeah, that was by design science Bob huge, huge fan
of science Bob. I love Bob Maguire. Thank you, Matt
and Sarah, Thank you for the super chat. Timmy Kaminski,
thank you for the super chat. Do you know what
happened to your data? Was it deleted? And if so,
did Arrow or anyone force you to shut down any
of your chat rooms.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
I'm not able to address all of that, but Ero
did not force anything, So.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Okay, yes or no? Maybe Hello, Thanks for putting yourself
out there. Sarah, do you know if there have been
efforts to go over old satellite data to corroborate cases?
Is there any knowledge where the craft seemed to originate from?

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
So sometimes what we did was we did go back
and look. We would go through prior data that we
might have old reports, even if something might of You know,
there were different key terms, not key terms. They were
just like a Google search, So you would try to
search with different phrases or different words and dig up

(01:36:35):
maybe something that was in the past, or talk to
somebody that was a part of a citing or whatever.
So I didn't do a ton of investigating because of
again supporting from MGA looking at imagery. But I do
know that the people on the task for us did
do due diligence and was trying to Yeah, we did science,

(01:36:57):
so the more data the better.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
So Uncle Damar. Has Sarah ever met or heard of
the new Arrow director? What would be her opinion of
the old director? I know what my opinion is.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
I don't know who the new one is. Is that
I miss something I don't watch the news all.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
Yeah, No, there's a new guy. There is a new guy.
I don't have his name off the top of my head.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Okay, I know who the acting director was, and I
don't have an opinion. I've never encountered him. I yeah,
I I'm trying to think of proper words to discuss
doctor Kirkpatrick. I think Sad I was very hopeful whenever

(01:37:48):
I found out he was going to be a director,
especially another physicist. I was like, yeah, physics rules, We're
taking over the world. And quickly that balloon was popped once,
you know, I I kept hitting that brick wall when
I would reach out to people. Yeah, I'm going to
pick a high road and leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Yeah. The new director's name is doctor John T. Kulowski,
the bell, I don't know who that is, okay. Question
for question from Jeff in her opinion, could any of
the high quality UAP videos be publicly released with audio stripped, uh,

(01:38:28):
you know, black bar over sensitive readoubts and whatnot down
res maybe to an unclassed level.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
I do think some of what I've seen cannot because
of what I mentioned earlier of location. I don't want
I would never ever put national security or a war
fighter or military civilian anybody at risk. So some of
them I wouldn't want them to passified. So I am

(01:39:00):
sorry to say that, because I am about sharing data.
I mean, I'm here for a reason to to share,
and just sometimes because it might put somebody in harm's way.
I think that's going to be safe to do.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Yeah, you know, And I think the people that sit
and you know, complain, oh you know it's another person
saying classified, they don't understand how the real world works.
They literally have no clue. Terrence Willis is probably the
most u uh this is going to be the most
pressing uh slash personal question that may get into classified territory.

(01:39:37):
But I think it's important, uh that somebody asked this,
and if you can't answer it, I understand. We don't
want you go into jail. But you know, this is
a question about ownership of something. Uh where did you
get that cool? Uh picture of the cat behind you?

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
Obis odd. It's actually a puzzle.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
It's a puzzle.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
It's a puzzle, and all you have to do is search.
Think I just looked for UFO puzzle on Amazon and
maybe i'd cat in there, and I guarantee it's going
to be the first thing that comes up.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
I love it. Yeah, that's a great blue together.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
And it makes me laugh every time I look at it.
It makes me so happy.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
Yeah, I got it. Tim Williams, thank you for the
super chat. We're any high res videos that you would
classify as an HI? I think you said? Yes? Okay, absolutely, okay. Uh.
Trance VR says, ask about Sentient? Is that some platform?

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
If it's what I think he's talking about, I cannot
talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
If it's if it's for well, I guess yeah, well yeah,
that's definitely congressional money. But it's.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
Yeah yet, No, don't I won't thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
No, that's nothing to apologize about.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
Has Sarah seen videos or photos of biologics?

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
I have not. Who'd love to?

Speaker 1 (01:41:13):
Okay, uh did uh? Jay Cobellan's asks, did she see
the complete Iraq floating Jellyfish UAP video?

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Yes you did see that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:41:32):
Okay. If you had to guess this is from a hissmaro,
if you had to guess, are we created by nhi?

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
I think that's putting spiritual hat on I that's that's
a yes and a no. That's not going to be
a straightforward answer. I know of thear is that we are,
and I've heard theories there that were experiments. I think

(01:42:07):
we're a blend of all the above. I mean, we're
made of stars. We are made from a star that
exploded millions of years ago in order for our skin
or our skin suit to be protecting us. And so
I do I've never really thought about this, so understood

(01:42:29):
You're getting this response really raw. I think we're a
blend of everything. I maybe maybe some people really have
been an experiment. And I'm not saying you know abductees
are lying, because I don't doubt it. I know that
they have been abducted. So maybe some people are a

(01:42:49):
little bit more of a blend one way or the
other than than others. But yeah, we're all made of stars,
so we all have to little be a little bit
of an Nhi.

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
Yeah, kew. Approximately how many UAP images videos did she
see during her time in the task force and how
far up the chain did those reports go?

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
I have never thought of that. I don't know. So
even sometimes there would be a lull, like just like
any job, you're you're busy, busy, busy, and you have
a ton to do, and then you might not have
something for an extended period of time. Extended period meaning

(01:43:34):
maybe a couple of days or maybe even a week
would go by. So there were roller coasters, it was
up and down. Yeah, I don't know that answer of
how many videos, I don't even know a ballparks. I've
never thought about that. So that's a good question. You
have hundreds, okay, but of course not all are UAPs, right,

(01:43:57):
So of the hundreds, so like, let's let's round it
out to one hundred. So of that hundred, I would say,
I don't even And again this is from a narrow perspective,
so I didn't see all of them. So everybody has
to keep remembering that. So I'm not speaking for all
of the test for us, for all of the people
who might come forward, they might have seen more, they

(01:44:19):
might have seen less. I would say, let's say it's
one hundred eight eight percent less than ten. Percent less
than ten would have been deemed a UAP, whether it
be just maybe it was an adversary technology, but we
still didn't know what it was, so that was classified
as a UAP. So back to my words earlier, just

(01:44:42):
because it's a UAP does not mean that it is
an HI.

Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
Did when you viewed the jellyfish in your personal opinion,
would you say that it was an HI?

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
When I first viewed it, definitely did. It looked cray cray.
But then you do research, right, You gather data. You
start researching jellyfish, You start researching your birds migrating. I
never knew I would learn about the migration of certain
birds in my life, but I sure have. So you

(01:45:16):
start researching a handful of stuff, and then that leads
into more things that will come up of you know,
like whales, migraine and making this up. But you you
end up going down rabbit holes and get to learn
about all kinds of stuff. So at first, yeah, it
did look pretty nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
What you viewed as a tic TAC. Would you conclude
that it was nhi?

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Yeah, if you look pretty crazy, especially the maneuvering. The Yeah,
the a lot of a lot of the speed and
the angles and the eyewitness accounts, I mean, how do
you deny also multiple eyewitnesses on that as well.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
One of the things professional debunker mcwest has said is
that these videos, I think it's uh the uh oh,
it's one of them. He keeps saying, is is jet
exhaust flare or something like that? Does that track?

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
I mean, I think there are some something like that
that then somebody purposely put out some flares one time,
and then they did like this whole stage thing. I forget.
This was a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
I think there was go fast, I forget.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
But we would debunk all of this. I mean, we
didn't jump to a conclusion that everything that came across
our eyes was a UAP. We would do heavy investigating,
We would reach out to people that would that was
on shift that day or that we would really do
due diligence of trying to first debunk and then keep

(01:47:02):
trying to debunk and look from all different angles. Yeah,
learning even you know I mentioned earlier about something was
it was classified as a UAP in one year, and
fast forward a few years saw the same thing, but
but we found out it was a balloon, so went

(01:47:24):
back and updated the files. So yeah, so I think,
you know, as science goes, we're always evolving and humans
are always learning. And I don't know if you heard
that that was krypton. Oh my gosh, We're we're always learning,

(01:47:44):
which is really cool and it's science. So as science develops,
our sensors get more sensitive or we have new technology
to utilize. I'm hopeful that we'll be able to get
better quality videos and photos soon.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
And just rewinding a bit regarding the jellyfish UAP. In
your opinion it was birds migrating or you're just you
were just making an analogy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
It ended up being debunked. It was yeah, it was
not it was it was aqua I don't know words,
a querious life. It wasn't anything. It was not a UAP.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
Got it. No, No, this.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
Sports are getting hard, it's getting late.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
No. No, yeah, and we'll we'll we'll run to the
top of the hour and then we'll let you go.
We know it's been a long interview.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
Just I'm enjoying answering some questions. I just hope people
understand that, yeah, I can't always answer.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
Yeah, but you're being truthful and stuff that you know
is not what we hope it might be. That's that's
you follow the data. This is a good question from Jeff.
Did Sarah ever experience any internal resistance to the U
A p t F efforts from higher ups within the
d O D or the ICE? What Did you ever
witness any retaliations taken against colleagues.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
I when I was a part of the task force. No,
I really didn't. You know, when people make fun of me,
I don't care. I grew up in a small town
and I got made fun of a lot growing up,
and I got thick skins, So make fun of me
all your one. I'm find an older sister, So that
was kind of my perspective of it. I would I
would make kind of a joke. I don't. I'm trying

(01:49:32):
to think. I don't think. I recall others having issues.
But I also didn't talk to everybody about it, just
because we were all on the same page and hindsight,
that would have been a good question to ask, because
that is a really good question. I really yeah, it
would have been a good question to ask five years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Sure, are you scared at all? Has seen real? Are
you scared at all by retaliation by from the intelligence community?

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
No, I mean I'm not a whistleblower. So that's been
something that I've been very adamant on stating anytime I've
talked about this anywhere. I am not a whistleblower. I'm
not disclosing anything crazy, which you guys have now heard.
I am validating, I am stating what I can, but
I'm I'm not a whistleblower. I you know, the people

(01:50:24):
that have whistleblowed are also so so brave. I can't
imagine the stress and some of the retaliation that they
may or may not have faced. I'm not scared for
the intelligence community because they've known, like my job knows.
The one of the first things I said when I
started my current job in the Pentagon was I'm going

(01:50:44):
to be in a film and it's on UAPs, and
most people are like, when's it come out? Can I
watch it? So no one cares, and then when they
find out about my spiritual abilities. It's is negligible in conversations.

Speaker 1 (01:50:59):
Got it, Zanni, thank you so much for the super chat.
A question, what made you so sure looking at images
that these things are not of human origin? By the way,
great job, Matt, keep on rocket, thank you, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Good job, Matt. What may be so sure was maneuverability, direction,
G force, things that a human would not be able
to withstand. Sometimes the shapes sometimes I know this isn't
again anything new, but you know, shapes change, and it's

(01:51:36):
mostly you know, the physics, the kind of like the
five observer observables, but the physics. So my physics brain's
thinking that G force no one could tolerate, that our
bodies would our bodies would not exist well anymore. And yeah,
just sometimes it was you just knew, I'm trying to

(01:52:02):
think of anything else I could disclose. I guess after
doing detective work as well and coming up to dead
ends all the time of trying to debunk something. After
you have gone down parallax, you have gone down camera systems,
you've gone down all kinds of stuff to try to

(01:52:23):
say it isn't and it isn't, and then you're like, okay, well,
now we've now we've reached a conclusion. There was a
question I actually didn't answer it earlier. I just realized
somebody asked if the reports no fighting? If the reports, sorry,
there's gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
Be a work no cat fights going on while we're
talking UAP.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
So, but the reports. So the stuff that I sent up,
I truly don't know where that went. I just kind
of like factory workers, and then you're, oh, my gosh,
making buttons and stuff, and you just your you're a

(01:53:06):
button maker. You don't know where the buttons are going
to be attached to or what system they're going to
be on. You just make the buttons, and you have
red buttons, and you push the red buttons down the line.
So I guess that's kind of how what I was
was a button maker.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
Hey, what y love it? What do you think about oceans?
This is from Apicatti. What do you think about the
oceans as a base for UAPs?

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
Oh? Why not? There's so much water out there? Yeah,
what better way to hide? And then also, depending on
what physics you look at, theoretical physics, water can also
be a generator. Well, I mean we know water is
a generator because we have dams and all of that.
But yeah, absolutely, that'd be smart. You can hide anywhere

(01:53:58):
on the planet almost MIKEH.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
Wheeler, please ask Sarah. Does the Australian government share UAP
info with us USA, especially due to Pine Gap being
so secretive and no one knows what's going on out there.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
That's a good question, and I don't know that answer.
I know the UK has a really good database and
really good system. I think they're doing some sort of
report or something that we're going to put out, maybe
earlier this year. I lost track of that. I don't
know about Australia. I at least never worked with them.

(01:54:34):
That's a good question.

Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
You're saying that the United Kingdom has a good database
of UAPs.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
Yeah, I forget the name of it. It's you could
google it, but there's and I think Canada too, So
Canada has been tracking UAPs for a long time as well,
including their military darn. I don't remember the name of them.
And of course, now that I'm really trying to think

(01:55:04):
about it, I'm going to start mumbling and fumbling words.

Speaker 1 (01:55:07):
That's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
The UK has been documenting UAPs for a very long time,
back when they were called UFOs.

Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
Steve Clancy, has anything she's learned about UAP indicate that
there's a dark aspect to NHI as as suggested by
folks like Louela Zondo.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
Yeah, absolutely so. Not everything's friendly out there. I don't
know which hat you want me to put on, the
science hat or the spiritual hat, but they're from both
of those hats. Yes, there's definitely malevolent things out there,
and entities, and then some some that also don't comprehend

(01:55:53):
emotions and so they don't understand that they're malevolent because
they're just like robots and drones there, Yes, got it?

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
Okay, excuse me? Is the brain video similar to the
jellyfish UFO with a purple eyed orange inside?

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
I cannot, I can, I cannot talk about that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
Okay, Well they're not understood, Mark Tison, What does she
think the best open source video is out there? That
would be UAP uh that is available for public view?

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
I don't know. I haven't been super invested in this.
There was, wasn't there like just something seen over the
pyramids today yesterday? Recently? I honestly I haven't seen anything
but a still that in this still photo of crazy. Unfortunately,
AI is starting to get really good and people like clicks,

(01:56:58):
so they're going to keep pen out those AI videos
and that's just really frustrating. But it's you know, the
world's all about money. So gosh, I'm so sorry. I
should know this answer that I've been a part of
from the task force and that looking at data for

(01:57:19):
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
Now, got it. I'm just I'm I mean, I've never
had this many questions on the show. Ever, I still
trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:57:29):
Think too of of of a video. I'll still keep
thinking about that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:37):
Okay, great, Yeah, Actually I think I can ask Sarah
and this is from Nielsen and says, please thank Sarah.
Did space based sensors track you ap uh? And was
she working on this? And in that case, did we
track them going out to the Solar System?

Speaker 2 (01:57:59):
I don't know if we can actually track something going
out into the Solar System, just because our tools are limited,
Like you know, James Webb, James Webb's already looking deep space,
so that would be super cool, NASA.

Speaker 1 (01:58:16):
New goal, Gucci, do you foresee uh no, okay, understood.
Now do you foresee official acknowledgment from the government of
the next ten years?

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
I hope So I believe this is Sarah's opinion. This
isn't from anything official or you know, so this is
just coming from me. I think the people. I think us.
I think we are going to push past what the
government can and the government's going to have to keep
up and then be like, oh, yeah, this exists. So

(01:58:48):
I think we're going to end up surpassing and disclosing
or maybe even one day it'd be super cool if
there was an open contact. That's my positivity coming through.
But I do truly believe that we will surpass we
as in the public, will surpass what the government is doing,
and the government's going to have to backpedle and be like,

(01:59:10):
oh yeah, here's.

Speaker 1 (01:59:11):
This I keep at the top of the show. That's
exactly what I what I told the folks in the
government that I know watched this thing. You guys have
something coming. If you don't do the right thing, it's
it's it's better to just be truthful. It really is.
I think. Yeah. I think actually we've gotten to pretty

(01:59:34):
much all of them. These have really been a great questions. Oh, Zane,
this is a good one. Zaane Michael, has she seen
the additional four minutes of the gimbal video. I might
have Okay, might have all right, I completely yeah. There

(01:59:55):
are things that you just can't talk about and and
we we we respect that. Awesome. Well, thank you, thank
you so much. What would be your you know, we
spoke about the UAP Disclosure Act that Congress will hopefully
be considering the Senate for the Senate version of the NDAA.

(02:00:16):
What would your message be to everyone at home? And
then also what would your message be to the members
of Congress and their staffers that watch this show.

Speaker 2 (02:00:31):
My message is one, stay open. Don't immediately assume when
we deem something as a UAP that that's what we
jump to. We do look at science. We do look
at all of the data from all aspects. So just
know when something is considered a UAP, it was looked
at very thoroughly. I want more people to come out.

(02:00:54):
That's why I'm here. This is so important. This is
such an amazing time to be a lot. We're seeing
advanced physics now, we're on the brink of you know,
so many things in quantum physics, and we we we're
not alone, and it shouldn't be a secret that we're
not alone. I think it's important for others to come out.

(02:01:18):
And I've said it a few times, no matter what
it is, just say it. You don't have to have
something elaborate. I didn't touch any nh ey's, I didn't
you know, visit tattooing, and I didn't hold a lightsaber.
But I have important things to say that hopefully somebody
else will will get some courage to come forward as well.

Speaker 1 (02:01:40):
I certainly, I certainly hope so and any anybody from
UAP Task Force, especially Jay Stratton. I would love to
have Jay Stratton on this show. Uh certainly welcome here
at any time. And UH and I just I really
want to thank you from the bottom of my heart
a for your service to this country and secondly for

(02:02:05):
speaking the truth. It's clear you're not embellishing. You are
strictly talking about what your experience was, what you saw,
what you didn't, what you were able to actually debunk,
not because you had you had a paid agenda like
some of these paid debunkers do, but you were doing

(02:02:25):
it because you were following the science and you had
an open mind. And we need more people like that.
And just the class and dignity, the classiness that you
carry yourself and have handled this just a disgusting thing
by Stephen green Street. My hat is really off to you,
and people are going to remember you for your truthfulness,

(02:02:48):
your classiness, and the grace in which you hold yourself,
And my head is off to you, and I know
that we are certainly going to see a big, bigger
and better things from you as you move on through life,
and hopefully you'll have the begiven the opportunity to make
a positive impact and the government with this topic. We

(02:03:10):
need more people like you, less people like Sean Kirkpatrick
and others. So I really am just am grateful for
what you have done, and thank you for coming on
the show.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
Thank you for providing space for not just me, but
for others that have talked for you, know, Lou coming on.
Everybody that has come forward trust you, So you are
providing trust yourself, and so I wanted to thank you
for that, but I did thank people earlier. So thank

(02:03:44):
you so much for the kind words. Even if you
sent a message to somebody to send to me, I
got them, and I appreciated them. I put them right
in my heart and I carried them with me and
that helped give me the confidence to get through yesterday,
So thank you so so much. I I love I

(02:04:05):
love love and I felt it, so thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:04:08):
You're You're very welcome and looking forward to having actually
looking forward to seeing you on James Fox's new film.
Hopefully we'll have James on the show to talk about
it when that, when that, when that movie launches. He
does incredible work, and uh, you know, and certainly we're
looking forward to hear hearing what Jay Stratton has to say.
We have, of course, Uh, we've got the U a P.

(02:04:31):
Hearing coming up that I understand Nancy Mace will be
cheering and and if we're lucky, this U a P.
Disclosure Act will will pass. But as I have said
to everyone, pick up the phone tomorrow morning. Call. The
more people that call, UH, trust me, they pay attention
to this stuff. So there you go, and and please

(02:04:51):
thank your cats for uh for not causing too much
of a ruckus there, and uh and maybe send us
the Amazon link to that badass cat Ufo puzzle. I
think I'm going to get it and maybe put it
on put it on my nice set here. I will awesome, awesome,

(02:05:12):
Sarah Gham, ladies and gentlemen, thanks for thanks for joining
us and uh and yeah, this is awesome, so so happy,
thank you, thank you, Okay, cool, all right, very good.
So yeah, I hope everyone, I hope everyone enjoyed that. Uh,
you know as as uh you know, firstly, if you
enjoyed that, we of course would appreciate a thumbs up

(02:05:35):
and subscribe, a share, all that kind of stuff. All
of those little things when people say, oh, smash the
like button, all of that it actually those are very
important signals to you. To YouTube. They look at those
signals as a way to decide whether they're going to
promote your your content to somebody else that may be
not tracking this particular topic. So more people that subscribe

(02:05:59):
like all that stuff, it helps the whole, the whole, uh,
the whole effort out. And I would encourage you to
please do the same thing when you watch other people
that are creating really great content on the on the
UAP thing. You know, we're a big fan of Vinnie
Adams uh and uh and other other folks that have

(02:06:20):
really great UFO shows. Uh. And and when you watch
these things, take the time. I mean I even do
it on shows or or YouTube videos that I don't
even you know, I'm not even subscribed to. But I
know that that creator put a lot of effort in
into making that making that video. And I know I
know firsthand how the thumbs up and the leaving the comments.

(02:06:44):
Uh YouTube looks at how many comments are left on
a video. Uh, it shows engagement. It's a signal that
tells them that the public likes your content. And so
all of those things really do help. And and again
I really do appreciate the supers. We don't have a
show sponsor. I'm literally a one man operation. Uh, with

(02:07:05):
the exception of the kind folks that donate their time
in the in the in the chat room. We hope
to have somebody that's gonna be onboarded soon to kind
of help things out. But but anyway, yeah, I know,
we really appreciate it. But I would just say, again, UH,
do your part. Everybody can make their voice heard. I

(02:07:27):
can tell you with multiple conversations with Senate and House
staffers that that they do they you know, they do
hear the comments. It gets floated up to the boss.
When you know, when one hundred calls come in to
Senator Jill Brand's office that says past this UAP Disclosure Act,
she hears about it. They do hear this stuff, and

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you know, and the other thing I would say too.
I know, even even for myself, I get frustrated with
the pace at which things go. Sometimes I feel like
they're going way too slow. And and it's easy to
kind of take our frustrations out on the people that
are our front and center of this in Congress. So

(02:08:10):
you know, it's easy to get maybe frustrated with Senator
Jillibrand or Schumer or Rubio or whoever, because maybe they're
not saying as much as we would like them to
say about this topic. But you know, this whole thing,
it's it's a very complex issue. It's a complex issue
for national security, it's a complex issue for trust in government.

(02:08:31):
You know, these folks they have a political career that
that they that they have to you know, they're playing
the long game. So I would just say that we
need to give these politicians that are on the right
side of this, uh, such as Schumer, Arounds, Jillibrand, Rubio,
Heinrich and others, we really need to show our appreciation

(02:08:54):
because they've really really stuck their neck out on this thing.
And it's a it's a it's a level of bravery
that that there are. There are politicians in Washington that
simply do not have. So the ones that that do
have that, you know, let's let's show our grace, our graciousness,
and and uh, you know, and really show show our appreciation.

(02:09:18):
But but you know, really, folks, it boils down to
if you're not happy with how this is being treated
writ large by the government, only you can change that.
So even if this Disclosure Act gets shot down, you
get back up and you fight again. You live to
fight another day. That's what we do as Americans. That's

(02:09:42):
what we do in other democracy loving countries. You get
up and you fight for what is right. And what
is right is the truth. The truth always always wins.
And I especially say that to the folks that I
know are w this that are not friends of this topic,

(02:10:03):
Folks that are in the do d that are in
the IC and the DOE and you're watching this, and
you might be some of these folks that have let's
just say, done some illegal things in regards to this
particular topic. And you know, I would just say to
yours sit and ask yourself and look at yourself in

(02:10:25):
the mirror. The decisions you are making on this issue,
that do not have the input from our elected representatives,
that do not follow These decisions that you're making, do
not follow what the constitution says, that that does not

(02:10:51):
follow what our founding fathers intended for our country. I
would I would just ask you to just pause and
reflect and take a look at yourself in the mirror
and say, say to yourself, ask yourself this question me
doing these things that you know in your heart are

(02:11:13):
clearly not right, that you know fly in the face
of the constitution, that you know maybe are purely based
out of preserving power or influence, or maybe you're a
CEO or COO COO of a defense contractor, say Northrop

(02:11:39):
Grumman or Lockheed Martin. Say to your ask yourself, is
it really about money? Is that what really defines you?
Is that really the mark you want to leave on
this planet making decisions purely out of greed or purely

(02:11:59):
out of I don't know, supporting some other people in power.
You know, I understand there are things that you can't
come out about or can't be public because it would
jeopardize national security. All of us have said myself, David Grush,
Louel Azando Christopher Mellan and others. None of us want

(02:12:20):
to damage national security at all. We're patriots, we love
our country. But there comes a time when there are
things that are being done that are so out of
bounds and are so un American, that you really need
to sit down. Those of you that have the power

(02:12:41):
to make these decisions and have been making these decisions,
those of you that are sees, senior executive service folks,
those of you in the deputy level people in the
Department of Energy, the deputy level people in Dependagon, sit

(02:13:02):
and just ask yourself the decisions that you're making that
you know in your heart are wrong. They're wrong for
the country, they're wrong for the world, and they're wrong
for yourself. Ask yourself the decisions that you're making which
you know are wrong, and that have a one hundred

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percent direct impact on the world your children are going
to inherit is that really what you want to do
with your life? Is that really the mark you want
to leave you when you leave this earthly domain, whatever

(02:13:46):
it is. I think if you search in your heart,
you know what you're doing is wrong. You know that
it does not serve the national security interests of the
United States of America. And I think you know in
your heart what you're doing is putting all of us
at risk. And what you're doing the aerospace executives, people

(02:14:11):
in JAYSOK, people in Office of Global Access, and the CIA,
people in the Department of Energy, if you stop and
you think about it, and you're really, really honest with yourself,
you know what you're doing is jeopardizing the safety of
this nation. And that's not what you signed up for.

(02:14:34):
That's not what you intended to do. And like anything
in life, you know, we sometimes we all make bad decisions,
and some of us that maybe have more power than others,
our bad decisions can end up having significant consequences for

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the people of our nation, of our great nation, serious
consequences for people of the world. Because we know that
our our five Eyes partners look for guidance in terms
of what we are doing on the UAP issue. And
and I just my message is take the time self

(02:15:20):
reflect because there it is never too late to do
the right thing. And I know, uh, all of us,
we all, uh you know, we all endeavor to do
the right thing. And I know there are good people
out there. I know there are good people out there

(02:15:40):
that that have made some really bad decisions, maybe out
of pressure from others, maybe UH political pressure, maybe a
monetary pressure from from uh the defense contractors that maybe
donate a significant amount of money in different ways to

(02:16:03):
you and to your campaign or an other gifting. You know,
the world's not you know, the money makes the world
go around. We all know that is just a reality
of things. But I think all of you that have
in d O, d C, I, A UHDE and the executives,

(02:16:27):
the C suite folks in places like Lockheed Martin north
of Grumm and Boeing Aerospace Corporation and others, just really
stop and think about what you're doing is not right
for the country. And I think deep in your heart
you know that what you're doing is damaging the national
security of the United States. And is that really something

(02:16:50):
you want to live with for the rest of your life?
I dare say not, because I want to be hopeful
about about you know, our what what we uh the
leaders that we have in this country, and and you know,
I pray for them that they do the right things,
and I pray for these aerospace executives that that they

(02:17:12):
do the right thing because all of you that have
been dealing with this, that this has been part of
your professional portfolio. The UAPSU either you're part of the
Legacy program, You're part of of the uh you know,
the compartments and the Department of Energy that have been

(02:17:32):
managing this and spending you know, billions of dollars and
keeping this whole thing locked down through the classification templates
that you've laid on this. You know, beyond the shadow
of a doubt that there are elements of this, large
elements that you can come clean with the American people

(02:17:52):
that will not harm national security full stop. You know it.
I know it. And the question is what are you
going to do about it? Is it going to be
more of the same for seventy years and just snowball
this distrust in the government, increase this national security threat

(02:18:16):
that is UAP. Christopher Mellan, as I mentioned, was on
deputy former Deputy under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence. If
folks have not watched our interview with Christopher Mellan, I
highly suggest you do. One of the things that he
noted is that recent UAP encounters with our military, the

(02:18:38):
UAPs have shown increased aggression, increased signaling of aggression, this
is not good. So all of you in Doe and
Jaysok in Office of Global Access, all of you in

(02:18:59):
the Director of Some and Technology in the CIA, all
of you in the Department of Energy that have this
thing locked up like nobody's business under the Atomic Energy
Act of nineteen fifty four and the and the you know,
the I'm blanket, I'm tired here, but the Espionage Act

(02:19:20):
of nineteen seventeen. Your weaponization of this UAP issue, because
that is how you have weaponized it out of threats
to keep people from talking. It's going to blow back
on you, and it's gonna blow back big. And I
guarantee you the longer you put this off, because it
is gonna come out and the names are going to

(02:19:42):
come out. And the longer you put this out, you
put this off. And when the full we'll just say,
a barrel of lies comes out, and what especially when
it comes out about the physical retaliation and the physical

(02:20:04):
harm that many of you have acted upon as part
of a mission, it's not going to go well for
you and the American people when they understand the gravity
of what has taken place and the illegality that has

(02:20:25):
taken place, and the shareholder outrage towards Boeing, Lockheed, Martin,
Northrop Grumman. The sheer shareholder outrage that you will experience,
you will wish, you will rue the day that you
did not do the right thing. So now is the

(02:20:45):
time to do the right thing. And I would say
to you in closing, look, for seventy years, you guys
have kept this locked down for seventy years. You've managed
to keep it secret through in timidation and threats and
other kinetic mechanisms. But people know now. We know how

(02:21:09):
you've hidden it, We know the compartments it's hidden in.
It is coming out, and we know who the people are.
So do the right thing. You know you want to
do the right thing. Put this behind you. I can't
even imagine the amount of weight and guilt many of

(02:21:32):
you must carry that are handling this, And do the
right thing. You love our country. We love our country.
If you love your country, do the right thing. Anyway, Thanks, folks,
appreciate the super chats. Appreciate all of that. Again. Louie
Elizondo live on The Good Trouble Show, September fifteenth. We

(02:21:55):
do not have an exact time yet, but we will
post it on our X account at Good Trouble Show.
I would encourage everyone to follow us on X That's
where we tend to make all of our announcements. We
also have doctor Gary Nolan coming out soon and yeah,
so call your representatives, folks in government that are managing this.

(02:22:20):
Do the right thing. Now's the time. This is a chance,
in the light time in your life. This is the
chance of your lifetime to do the right thing and
to right the wrong. You know you want to do it.

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