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Speaker 1 (00:11):
We're now I'm going to rive and real mine and
then welcome to the Naked Truth and now your host
Bridgid bar Clay.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Good evening America, and good early morning England, and hello
all your awakened ones on this very big planet that
we're on. Tonight is part two of My wonderful friend
Jonathan Downs. We did part one last week, so we're
going to go roll into part two. So I'm just
going to give you a little intro to Jonathan again.
For those who didn't know, I've known Jonathan for about
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thirty years. I used to go to Jonathan's. He used
to hold meetings. He's a cryptozoologist. He's an author, he's
an editor. He's a filmmaker, poet, novelist, activist, journalist, composer, singer, songwriter,
and background in politics and mental healthcare. His dad was
a sorry. He is the director of the Center of
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fourteen Zoology. His father was an explorer. The Colonel Service
officer JT. Downs, from nineteen twenty five to two thousand
and six wrote several books on wide range of subjects,
including African history, ethology, and Devon Sheer dialect. Now that
says a lot about Jonathan because he absolutely knows lots
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of everything. So go back and listen to part one.
Jonathan founded the Center of fourteen Zoology, which we all
all right at the bottom for you to go to,
and he has it's the world largest cryptozoology research organization.
Last week we spoke about Oho moss Man, Prophecy moss
Man's deities, loads of different things. Actually, because we've pinged
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backwards and forth, written and authored many many books, he's
considered in his branch of zoology rather rather very good
and rather famous, isn't it. Worked with Nick Redfund a
lot of his books. His best selling book is The
Owlman and the Others and Monster Hunter. I'm just gonna
lead him in. Alrighty is Jonathan there? Please, there's my lad.
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Hello you, thank you very much, and thank you for
coming back for part two. And you're going to be
coming back for many, many, many many many parts because
you're just this side of the pond, so it makes
it slightly easier for us, all right, Jonathan. Last week
we spoke about lots of various different things and your
trips abroad and and you going to look at the
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tuber Carborough and working out that the tuber Carboro may
not have been a tuber carbo in some cases because
you put it down to what was it? Was it?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
What was the animal the original tuber cabra, which is
the creature known from Puerto Rico, more specifically from the
Canavas Plateau high grass stand Pata in the middle of
the island. Everybody thinks is an upright walking thing with
spikes downds back of such blood isn't okay. I am
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confident in saying that it's actually two introduced animals that
were introduced from West Africa, West Africa and India by well.
The porcupines are introduced by accident. The mongooses were introduced
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in line in twenties to combat rats, and they're thought
of dialoud, but I've seen one anyway, so they haven't dialoud, okay,
And so the killings are done by mongooses. The thing
that's seen waddling along with spikes hoists back, I believe
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is one of the Old World species of porcupine, which
was probably brought from West Africa as portable protein on board.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
The thieveris okay.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Well, you're quite historian as well, so you can look
back through history and then also when you've been there.
When you went there, you know you've got to look
at the evidence, haven't you. And it can't always assume
that it is going to be a Cuba car broke.
You've got to have like a process of elimination in
which you had done. So.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Ye think there is such a thing as the cover
in the way that everybody thinks. I don't think it
exists at all. Okay, And then the term has been
used all across Latin America just for anything weird looking now,
which is why it's used for these bald, bald skinned,
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blue colored dog which almost certainly because all the ones
that have been analyzed, the ones that there have been
dead DNA analysis and the dead ones have both proved
to be complex hybrids between kyotes as they call them
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in Texas and Mexican wolves. But here is really really
the intriguing thing.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I love anything intriguing comment.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
They're found in a place where they've never been with
Mexican wolves. Mexican wolf was wiped out in the wild
back in the nineteen seventies, and the last ones were
captured and transferred to a breeding program in New Mexico
where they do well. They've started to reintroduce them to Mexico.
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But they don't and have never lived in that part
of Texas. So where the blinking flip did that DNA
come from?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I don't know any answers to anything really. Okay, well,
that's interesting that went to New Mexico. Seems that anything
quite interesting gets shipped to New Mexico, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It would be lovely if I could say that it
was found near Roswell, that would just be very very cool.
But it's nowhere near new nowhere near ros Will. But
New Mexico is a bloody great state, and there's a
woman I have friends who lived there, and absolute wilderness.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, it is right. So I dug out a few books.
One of my one of my little books that I read,
but I've read this many many years ago, is called
The Field of Field Guide to the Little People. I
got this book because when I was little, the first, well,
the second thing I ever saw. The first thing I
saw was go second thing I ever saw was fairies
in the garden with my friend Marny, which I've spoke
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often about on my podcast. But also I used to
get uh when I when I started having my UFO
encounters I used to well, I saw once, well twice
little people on my window sill, and that was confirmed
again when I went back to go and work with
Bud Hopkins for the hypnosis I got. I got to
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revisit that again with the little people. And I mean
they were very very small little people. My window was
open and they were running along the window sill. They
were popping in, popping out of the window sill. So
I want to talk about little people, but also I
want to talk about the Devil's footprints in England. I
would like I'd like a bit of America to hear
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a bit of history behind a few of our old laws.
And obviously you've written a book about UFOs over Devon
as well, because the Devil's fit footprints happened in Devon
went down the river X. I think they said from
like Topsham And did you say when we just texting
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each other earlier it was over your area? Where were you?
It was Exeter actually at the time, wasn't it there?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
It was all over parts of South dev down to Lindstone,
Topsham and Woodbury.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
That's correct.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, this was in eighteen fifty one, I think, because
I can't remember I can't.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Remember, it's okay. In twenty fifteen it was one hundred
and sixtieth anniversary of this strange event. So, oh, eighteen
fifty five that happened.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Aging fifty five? Yeah, okay, eighteen fifty one was the
first postage stamp, can you I got dating?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
You got it there? You got it there? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Five. But there have been sightings of this phenomenon later on, okay,
And there were sightings in my village about ten twelve
years ago.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
What what with snow as well?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
With snow?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Okay, all right, okay, because I know back in the
seventies it was really really bad snow in Limpster. We
were all snowed in. But I always remember growing up
being told about the Devil's footprints. Yeah, we lived in Limpston.
We had a little thatched cottage. My mum and my
dad was the local potter there, and my mum had
a little shop in the our front room, a little delicatessen.
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But the road so we had the church. The opposite
the church there was a very very old wall and
we got told that the devil's footprints were on that wall.
And it went over a couple of houses. Then it
went over our house and then followed down down through
Limpston down to the river X and then it went
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to Topham. So then I don't know how did it
go over the water. Then it must have gone over
across the well Totness is further down, but I know
that it did do Topsham. I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
And then it went across the water through a castle
and went along as what.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Do you do you think? What do you want to
talk us about? Talk us about the devil footprints?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Okay, well the story, Cue spooky music.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
The Halloween lights going lights?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
How can anybody be spooky and scared? And you've got
the lovely Bridgie holding my hand as I go through
the valley of the Shadow of Death. You've heard the
song the Devil went down to Georgia. Well in one night,
in two nights in February eighteen fifty five, the Devil
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went down to Limpstone and I can't be of our valley,
and I tell I sing you a song about it.
But over two nights, weird horseshoe shaped footprints, but much smaller,
were found across a large swave of sid Deven. Now
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just like every piece of historical data. When you're looking
at the truth behind this, you have to unpacked a
hell of a lot of it. At the time, people
in Woodbury.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yep, which was further back, so that was the other
side of limps in between Limpstone, Exmouth and Budley Salterton.
For all of the people locally.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
They believed that the devil had come himself because the
local vicar had let the devil in by changing the
prayer book that they used in church on Sunday. Okay,
those ones that's where the store the name the Devil's
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Footprints came from. They weren't called the Devil's Footprints for
many years because they're actually called the Great Devon Mystery.
For at least forty years right until the end of
the nineteenth century, but it was believed that the devil
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himself had been let in because of the change of
the prayer book. It turns out that it's almost certain
that the ones in Woodbury, the ones from which the
name Devil's Footprints came were fake and they were caused
by people who did not like the change the Sunday
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service and the changes to the prayer group prayer book
going out with donkey shoes, which are much smaller than
the horseshoes, because they got much small hoofs going out
and making these footprints that went up the side of
buildings and went along the top of roofs and things.
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And it has been suggested that the rest that the
weirdest and the most spooky of these, the ones that
went up sheer the walls and things were a fake.
But you still had these footprints over a long swave.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Miles and miles, yes, miles and miles.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Then about ten twelve years ago we had a fan call.
First thing in the morning. There was an old lady
is now dad, I'm afraid who lived up at the
village saying could we can mother look because she had
weird footprints in their garden. And Graham went up and
photographed them. Yeah, and I posted them on our then blog,
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which is still available as a legacy plug and still
see it through the links on our website. And they
looked very much like the horseshoe shaped shoes horseshoes shaped
footprints reported as being by the devil, and people, including
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quite serious scientists I know, all came up with different ideas.
Somebody said it was obviously a munth jack. Well, there
haven't been any month Jack. I'm not saying it won't be. Yeah,
that are still coming up from Exeter and I haven't
reached this part of North Deven yet. They're slowly expanding
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their range, but they're aunt in muntjacks in the village.
And certainly we're twelve years ago other people were saying
all sorts of things, how they were.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Foxes village of you were in Exeter at the time.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
North Okay, yeah, okay, yep.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
And and my theory, you've heard the term mad as
a march hair. Yeah, well, in the February and March
it is the breeding season for the European brown hair,
especially in Britain, and the males are full of testosterone
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and another hornmen I can't remember its name, and they
sit up on them and they go to be bonkers.
They sit up on their back back legs and have
boxing matches with other hairs and they pop along. I
think that what you see, what these weird horses shared
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prints are is male hairs full of testosterone and whatever
it is that makes them act crazy, jumping along with
their back feet together as they're fighting their rivals.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Okay, so well, so that's what you think the devil's
footprints could have been as well as could have been
the uh uh did you say goat? No, you said donkey, donkey.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
The donkey the ones in the wood were it is known.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Now well, would Bury itself is full of sort of
like myth and low. That's where I used to go
horse riding as a child, and I mean yeah, I
mean you've got obviously now. The Limpstone Marine camp use
it as a training base as a trade their first
start of their training. But it is absolutely beautiful, a
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very very old ancient wood, very old ancient wood and
actually funny enough. John Pert we used to live up there,
a lovely thatched cottage, just tucked it tucked away. I
think his son, Shaan Pertwe now now has it still,
but it's tucked away beautiful.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I actually wrote a book about the weird stuff going
on in Woodbury with Nigel, Right, you remember Nigel.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Might remember the name? I would have, I would have
met I would have if you show me a picture,
show me a photograph, I'm sure I'll remember.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Nagine. I wrote a book called The Rising of the
Moon about weird events going on in Woodbury.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
And it's a very very quite wicken there as well,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Oh, very very It's one of those places where the
old England still exists.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, I mean because then you've got then obviously then
as you're saying, if the devil footprints then then went
down to top Nest or top Nest is very mythical,
very spiritual, still very spiritual, and I'm sure lots of
going going on. I mean, it's more by the water there,
but I know that, Yeah, Toption is very very spiritual.
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For all of the Americans that would like to go over,
had to, had to, had to top him. It's really
quite unique and quite quite different. It's very different type
of glassroomer's small glass room rate on many scopes.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
But the thing is abouts is a very neo pagan,
but there are pockets of old school weirdness around would
Bury that the original pagan Yeah, Paganism was started after
the Last War. Okay, I could talk about the history.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I know, Yeah, I know that, you're yeah, total historian. Yeah,
on it definitely.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
It's very strange. And I actually spoke to one of
the original founders. Okay, that's where he died. He was
very old and dodgery Cecil Williamson. But I spoke to him.
He was, I believe, in his late eighty and very doggery.
But there has always been a hereditary hedge ridge Craft
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in dev I mean my grandmother was a hereditary hedge
for Itch. My cousins are and I'm not because my
father went the other way and my father became hard
called Church of England and I's a lot of halfway between. Okay,
but Tops is one of those places where the old
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magic still seats through.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
My brother lives in Topsham. Tops is absolutely beautiful. Tops
is very beautiful. I remember it going up as a kid.
Is yeah, but yeah, it's yeah, it is absolutely beautiful Toption.
I didn't realize that. Actually there are a lot of
strange people in Toption, just as well as my brother.
But anyway, but anyways, but no, I always remember, so
go back to the devil swippers. I always remember. I
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always remember the old law of My dad was very
good at sort of like you know, ground the fire,
telling telling stories. But you know, obviously anything to do
with Limpston was always quite magical. And we had some
very eccentric family friends growing up, which was like amazing
to hear the stories. There's a bit like you telling
the tales to your grandchildren. It was absolutely amazing. So
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also in Limpston, I had like fairy encounters. So and
I had my UFOE counters in Limpston. And it's funny
because Preston Dennett is a really amazing gentleman, well authored
as well, when he's written many books, got a great podcast.
He put the idea in my head really and so
I put it out on Facebook for privately for anybody
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that had had any encounters UFO encounters in Limpston to
contact me. And I got quite a lot of people,
you know, just and obviously I knew the areas where
it was, so some amazing UFO encounters in Limpston, you know,
right on my doorstep because I knew that. I obviously
can't be the only person to have the encounters growing
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up as a child, but my god, I had like
a plethora of like just you know, younger generations or
passed on. This is what they remember their their mothers
or their fathers telling them, or what happened, or they
had collectively witnessed it as a family. So there was
a lot that went on in limps and so in
your book UFOs over Devon, what were the what were
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the areas that you that you covered with that place.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I just the publisher asked me to cover the whole
of the county. Okay, Well, basically most of the book
is taken from the book I wrote with Nigel Or
of the Moon, which is available. It's one of my
few books that isn't available through me, but it's available
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to a company called zi Fast.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
And thought, well, we have your website there, so maybe
it's link to your website.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I don't know if it's on my web or not.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
I don't know if Gwynn, who is I can add it.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I can add it to the I can add it
to the link.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Gwynn my my assistant. I don't know if she's put
it on or not.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I should.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
There are lots of ghosts and UFO and fairy and
monster sightings from Lincherton Wouldbury and oh, I remember the
name it. It's one of the suburbs of I.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Can't remember, Budley, Sultan Satan.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
It's one of the actual suburbs of the town itself. Buddy,
it's one of the suburbs of Exmouth itself.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Okay, all right, yeah, well that's where I used to
go to school as a kid, is Exmouth. Did it
absolutely bloody hated it. Left at sixteen, never went back, well,
only to visit the family. Hated Limpson's It's just a
seaside talent, just just overtook in the summer. I was
just like, oh my god, I got it out.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
But you know, did I have any your phone counters
in Limpstone, I mean the next one. No, I don't
think I did. I think they kind of stopped then
and then no, didn't know. I didn't have anything extraordinary.
But then then I found boyfriends and everything got forgotten about.
I think, well, anyways, that's another story. But anyways, that's
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another supernatural story. So right now, then, what I was
thinking about, like the fairies and the different types of fairies,
because we do have different types of fairies.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
We have fairies that are enclosed. You have fairies that
aren't in closed. You have fairies with wings. We don't
have fairies without wings, big fairies, tall, you know, small fairies.
Is there is there a common factor within them?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
The only common factor that I can think of is
that they are from elsewhere. They're not from this plane.
I personally don't think that either fairies or aliens or
UFOs or any of this stuff. I don't think it
comes from another planet. I think it's part of Yeah,
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it is stuff that is part of our world. It's
just governed by those of scientific and understand yes, yet
and they live in our world, but on a different
plane and a different reality somehow.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
And as I am.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
A scientist and I see, it is my job to
try and explain this stuff. And I am sure that
we will eventually reach an explanation, a coding explanation for
how the stuff works, why it works, and hopefully be
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able to establish some sort of reliable communication with these folk.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Well, we spoke when I did your podcast. We spoke
about my friend Mike Patterson from Ontario, Canada Sasquatch, Ontario, Canada,
that deals with nefheteer in his family. And you know
the sort of like giftings that I was given through
listening to Mike's So Mike is having communication audio communication,
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and he has he has got visuals, photographs, but that's
the other person that he's working with has has taken
I think I totally agree with you. I totally agree
with you, Jonathan, I do believe it is inter dimensional.
I do believe it is a part of us to
be able to grow spiritually, to be able to evolve
spirit to be able to understand it. And I think
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the more that you evolve spiritually, the more that you
will have this type of communication. So you know, there
are people that not knock in any of the TV
shows out there. I mean, I do love Skinwalker's Ranch,
not knock in any of the Bigfoot kind of shows.
But I think, I think again, Mike is in pretty
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much a league of his own of what he's doing,
and I absolutely in awe of what he's doing, and
I totally get what he's doing along with many other people.
I do believe that he does have the evidence there.
But you know, it's where people want to take it in.
But because his interactions are so so so I don't
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want word use on point, but it's so what we
can take in right now. They're not going to give us,
let's say, the the the interdimensional beings, the whole picture.
Yet it's for us to be able to sort of
like I don't like to use with this word either,
drip feed into sort of like into the social sort
of like conditioning of people. But when Mike's getting it
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all of the time with all of the evidence, we
don't just need the footprints, you know, we need all
of the other sort of bets and bobs that go
with it, the nuts and bolts. I either the samples,
the hair samples, and the audios. And when other people
are picking up the same audios from another part of
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the world and having these experiences as well, which they are,
that is quite quite amazing. I mean, what is the
difference between the yetti and a big sasquatch?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Oh? I have always loved you, dear love the way.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I'm just simple.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
One to another.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Well, in my head it's kind of like the same sentence.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Really, You're like you're like a big grasshopper jumping from
one place to another.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
A march hare, darling, I'm a march hare.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yours, but we have the devil prince there.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Probably what's the difference?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Climate? Okay, all right, then.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
You're talking to There is all across Central Asia, from
the course of man Caucusus Mountains in the west to
central China in the east, there are reports of unknown
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human like species.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Okay, do they have the same same sort of like say,
footprints the same sort of like everything as a sasquatch
like materialized the materialize folk.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
The ones in Central Asia are far more likely to
be real animals. Buye real, I mean as real as
my little dog who's down now on the hearths were scratching,
you know, as real as you and I are flesh
and real, flesh and blood, three dimensional creatures.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
We've sent expeditions to Russia looking for the Caucasusus version
of something called the al mass or the Almasty. We've
sent expeditions to Mongolia looking for the same thing, and
most recently, Richard came back from Tajikistan about three weeks
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ago and said that they're looking for their version of it,
which is called the Ghoul. Although it does appear to
be more ancient and more primitive than the other ones,
we believe, and this is only a preliminary hypothesis, that
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this shows that mankind developed in Africa. We know that
and man came out of Africa to colonize the rest
of the world, but we believe that before modern man developed,
some of the more primitive hominins also came out of Africa.
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So the man came out of Africa on more than
one occasion, and the hominins that are reported from across
Central Asia we believe are the descendants of earlier exoduses
from Africa. Now, in prehistoric times, there was a land
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bridge across what is now the Barren Straits is called Berengaria,
and so the land bridge which connected Alaska to Russia.
And that's how early man and masterdons and horses and
all the other creatures that colonized North America, especially the megafauna.
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It's how they got across and colonized the vast areas
of North America. And there is a school of thought,
and totally on the fences regards this one, that.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Some of.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
The sasquatch bigfoot reports from North America are descendants of
at least one of the species of early Man that
crossed over at the same time as modern man did.
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And by the way, when I say modern man, modern
man saity five thousand years old, not in modern manners
and week moder man si five thousand years old, I
think that there is an argument to be made that
that is what the Sasquatch of the Pacific Northwest are. Okay,
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but there are reports of similar creatures that can do
all sorts of peculiar things like operating and materializing and deeming,
realizing and getting out of the space ships and all
sorts of other wedge the stuff I'm not swearing this week,
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all sorts of of course, you're a wonderful girl. You
always remember that are less and less likely to actually
be flesh and blood actual creatures.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, because ghosts. Ghosts aren't flesh and blood. They are
They are into dimensional, aren't they right, because they're popping
in and popping out again. They fade in, fade out.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
It appears to be. Although I'm quite a believer in
Left Briges Stone Tape series, a theory that historical events
can sort of be recorded, especially on planet Crystals, and
then get played back as you're going. So, what isn't
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the spirit of Amberleyn walking along Hampton Court with her
head under her arm.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Explained on that? That's right, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
It is a recording.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Yeah, they say people believe happened.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Okay, oh right, okay, because I mean they say, like,
let's say, a haunting in a room, it's the history
of that room that is repeating itself. Yes, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
I've got you on that. It's a bit like a
time loop. It's going back around again. You're just seeing
it visually again, like you know, you know some of
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the best hauntings really Yeah, yeah, I do believe that.
Well a memory, isn't it a house memory?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Oh? Yeah? And it's interesting how I want to know
what it is that triggers these memories and makes them
manifest themselves again. And another thing as well, as there
are things interesting. I believe in things which charl Sagan
called fossil memories, which are deep inside the psyche of
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every man, woman and child on the planet. And because
they are so deep in the psyche of mass human kind,
I believe that.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Something and triggers it. At that point, I think that something.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Is most likely to be something on the electromagnetic spectrum,
which is why you can get weird magnetic fluctuations and
weird MF fluctuations with certain ghost stings.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
The trouble is everybody believes that it is the ghosts
themselves that of causing these fluctuations. I think it's the
other way around. I think there's something in that particular
place as part of the geology or part of physics,
of that particular place which triggers these things to here,
(36:48):
I think these things are appeared because of the place.
It is a book out the spirit of place.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, I think if I, if I can sort of
look at two ghost sightings that I had. It happened
between I said this and part one. It happened between
an old part of a house and a new part
of house, which was literally a doorway where we'd be
still in the old house. And then the other part
was an extension of and it would be that's where
(37:18):
I saw a lady had appeared. And I was going
to the toilet late at night. Woke up in the night,
went to the toilet and didn't close the door because
it was just me. Got up from the toilet, and
there in front of me was a lady right in
front of me. Now at that point you could think,
I'm sort of like half sleep half half awake. Now
(37:39):
you're talking about the fossil memory type of thing. I
was never aware that she had died there. I didn't
know anything about her, but I knew that her room,
her bedroom was just on the other side her old bedroom.
That was her old bedroom. So part of me might
have remembered that so triggered something there could have done
fossil memory game thing. And then because I was able
(38:01):
to see ghosts before and maybe that sort of like
that sort of like thought process. Right at that right
point of where she literally took her last breath, that's
where she appeared. I just saw it right in front
of me, held my breath for shit, I gotta get upstairs,
held my breath, and just walked straight through her. I
(38:24):
knew that. I walked straight through her, and then I
just turned around and went up the stairs. And afterwards,
Oh my god. So there's there's got to be a
sort of like a fusion of a few of quite
a few things to be able to have that encounter.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Right, how old were you then?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I was I was eighteen nineteen at the time. Yeah,
eighteen nineteen. I remember this Morning had just come out
on TV because so whatever the date was, this morning
had come out on TV because they then had a
hypnotherapist on and they were talking about past lives, and
I remember writing the name of that person and then
(39:01):
contacting them and then went to go go to visit
them and went and had pass life therapy with them.
So yeah, it was I think it was more last
part of eighty eight to eighty nine, and then another one,
another one where you're saying about a memory, a fusion
of memory. The ghost was in a chair. It sounds
(39:24):
really crazy, like a rocking chair. The windows were Edwardian.
She appeared, the whole room totally changed, the wardrobe changed,
There was no longer a wardrobe. There there was weavings
on the wall. So that's where the memory of the
old room came in. Yeah, so the room was gone.
It was just back to how she lived it in
her time. And then she just went to touch the
(39:46):
window and she totally disappeared. That was my first ever encounter.
I shit myself. I was so scared. I was like,
oh my god. But the next day everyone in the
house had seen her, and everyone in the house had
seen her before. So yeah, so it is a memory.
Is a fusion of lots of things, fusion of lots
(40:09):
of things that allow you to have these encounters. And
I suppose when people say, oh, you still have a neutrophone,
counters yeah, because I suppose you've got an infusion of
all of the other things that have happened in my
life than other experiences, lives that you may be tapping
into something that's just boom going to happen to you.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, it sounds like there's two stories you tell, are
two totally different.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, I was very young. I was very young with
the I was probably seven when I had that encounter
with the lady in the in the bedroom with the
whole room had changed. And like I said, I was
eighteen latter part of eighteen nineteen when I had the
with the lady. But that was just one of many, many,
many many ghosts.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Encounters would Yeah, I would have hapothes.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
You're going to put it down to puberty, which is
none of my business. No, but you know no, But
we're talking about abductions and stuff like that as well.
It all happens at these times as well.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
And I think that the difference between the two types
of encounter, the difference between the way your body works
before and after it. It's not that you're a pubescents
(41:40):
at the time, because you weren't. I mean, your little
girl one time and an adult except or the adult experiences,
but you were physically an adult. The second time would
have changed absolutely massively. You experienced them differently.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah, it was, Yeah, I mean the first one it
was just like scary. Then then as you go, and
then then the second one was the fairies in the
same house and actually again that was Limpston. Again. That's
why it's just really interesting to find out a little
bit more from people about what other experiences other people within,
you know, residents in Limpston had had. Yeah, there was.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
One of the problems, especially when you are dealing with
female witnesses, is a lot of it does come down
to puberty. And in the times when I have not
been working with a female researcher, that does get difficult
(42:50):
because women do not want some elderly guy with long
hair asking about their experiences of men.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Now, okay, and so it.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Is it is more difficult for a male researcher, Okay,
dealing with this sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
You've got to ask the questions, research right, because then
you'll get like then it's like it's like with the UFOs.
You know what what are you? Recis negative racist negatives?
You know, recis negative. More people that are experiences are
recist negative. If you don't ask the questions, you don't
you don't have your your research.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Then you know, I'm an ex nurse and I'm a
qualified nurse, and I don't care about the stuff. I'm
not worried bodily functions, male or female. I don't mind
talking about them. I find it, I find them interesting.
They're an integral part of what makes us. Yeah, of course,
(43:51):
but I do know that some of some of the
experiences don't like talking about.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Well, actually, if you go back to part one, for
everyone to go back to part one, that's what we
actually did speak about. Because you were talking about you're
talking about the owl Man. That that what you only
had one guy that witnessed the owl Man, one one
male witness, and he was with a female, and you
said that, you know, it was mainly female that witnessed.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah, And the interesting thing here is that the female,
a female witness who i've called Sally, except that's not
a real name. That doesn't matter. I've called her Sally.
The female witness was having her first period at the time.
(44:48):
And that is a time when whether you believe in
biochemistry or whether you believe in magic, whether we.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Let off a hormone anyway, don't you yes.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
If you like, I believe in both. I believe magic
is a craft. It's not focus.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
It's something you can learn absolutely.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Like John Constantine's an heep can do it, I beep
for myself. There magic is something which is part of
a human psychics and we have and the female body
going through the first chemical adolescence is incredibly powerful and
(45:33):
causes the most god awful disruption to everything around it.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Peanuts agreeing to you.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, Graham is on his way downstairs to feed him first,
He's set the other cats off as well.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Does Gray want to come and say Hi, he's not here? Okay?
Ey howling? Oh? They know, they know, don't they when
they they're just about to arrive. Yeah, that's true. Yeah,
I mean, I mean, I'm sure lots of research has
gone in for the like abductive side of it. From
(46:17):
between the males and the females. Sadly, I think the
males get a lot of a harder time. I mean, okay, yes,
the females do get a hard time as well, But
I think I think psychologically psychologically, from the male experiences
that I know, I think they're a little bit more
psychologically damaged than females. I'm not.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
Don't.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I'm not saying that some females aren't, because yes, there
are some female experiences that I know are psychologically damaged
from it. I think it depends how you, how you
how you respond to it, and how you how if
you want to go down that positive route of life
like it's happened and you know, you just own it
and you learn from it. But a lot of the
(47:07):
male experiences I know that have had some very traumatic
things that have happened to them. So so you know,
you've got your X and your why haven't you? Obviously
everything is interested in the X and the Y to
come together to be able to you know, and the
energy that it's created. You know. I spoke to Eve
Longer and she did a brilliant book called Love Bite Scenario,
(47:29):
and it was about putting two experiences together that that
that causes that tension, that that that that build of
sort of like not talking Condolini, I'm not talking Tantra,
but it is kind of that energy that is created
that that then they all kind of absolutely love.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
So so otherwise the noise then that was the dog
knocking the bin and the kicker.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
It wasn't a poltergeist then, No, I didn't know it.
Added I didn't know it anyway. I was too busy
in my world thinking about all of the energies actually
then at that point, and how marvelous the energies are,
but so so male. I'm going to go back to
the ace and sasquatch actually because this is now this
is quite interesting for me again I know, no, no,
(48:19):
but no, but no, because it's about the male and
the female.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
So there here views so guilt.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Maybe I don't know, but no, I'm talking about the
male and the female sasquatch. Is there is there has
there been any sort of like findings of like this
is male, this is female? Hang on a minute, hang on,
We've got a male and we've got an X and
a Y. What's what's happening here? Have we have? We
got that?
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Well, there are people who claim they have encountered a
big male the equivalent of the silverback gorillas sascratch. And
there are people and if it's actually real, not broken
a monkey sit the famous Pathison Gimnen photograph. There's a
(49:14):
female because she's got big hairy breasts dreeping down the
way she walks is to adjust the center of gravity
session fall over.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Okay, but so does a male have that?
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Right?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Okay? Well well yeah, okay, okay, oh yeah, okay, all right, yeah,
well you know you're.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
A girl and girls walk different little boys. You have
wider hips and you have a top heavy ball body
that so your center of gravity.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
Is in a different place, okay differently.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
And most of their views for arms.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
But it is you know it.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
This is just biological fact. And it does seem that
there have been records of bed male and female Saskatch,
and it does seem like they've been record there have
been claim records young child.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yes, yeah, so so go back to Mike Patterson for Ontario,
Canada Sasquatch. Yeah, he's he's had lots of little prints
and well small well he's recorded over the years. I
can't remember how many is I want to say about
fifteen now different sizes. So he let's say Nef. He's
(50:36):
knows Nef's prints and he's been seeing them progressively getting bigger.
But also he's seen other prints that have come up
as well.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
That proves that there are there are little ones with
it as well that are with them.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
I have done work as well another pattern North America.
I've talked to people who do appear they claim to
have families of these things as avn'te Sanderson would have
called them, and yes, yes, I will. They have they
(51:17):
have complete loss. I'm saying that they do seem to
have families of these things, and I haven't seen Sanderson
was one of the great American fourteens, and he referred
to these things as things. And they wrote a book
called Things, another book called more Things.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
That's a great second title from the book.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
Print.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
I couldn't recommend them more. You can pick them up
second hand shops and three markets and things anything. And
I'm really.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Really written that down. Okay, fan plastic books and you're
the monster I am. Let's put it out there. Let's
put it out there. We don't know who the author is.
Jonathan doesn't know who the author is. But it was
a book that Jonathan read when he was very very young,
his mother picked up from a library for him that
(52:15):
started him on the cryptozoology route and totally pissed off
his school teacher when he put up his hand that
he wanted to be a monster hunter. But it was
called myth and a monster's a myth or monster? Yeah, sorry,
myth or monster. Anybody knows of it, or anyone knows
who who authored it or has a copy, please get
(52:36):
in touch with me or Jonathan, and it would be
absolutely lovely to get Jonathan a title a book of that.
So we were all going to go on Abe Books
and all of the other search engines that we use
to go and look for it for you. Well we
have we have like three minutes Jonathan left, so please
fire away with anything that you would love to talk about,
(52:58):
because we are going to continue with you on very
many parts of while I'm doing while I'm doing my podcast.
What else would you like to talk about, my love
and what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (53:08):
That's a big question. At the moment, I'm studying. I'm
very much involved in the study of British HM sidings.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
The thing British British big Okay, people.
Speaker 3 (53:29):
Would want to call British Bigford, but don't anything to
do with bigfood. I think there's something different.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
I think there was very British man.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
I'm six seven, or I was when I didn't st
but these things have been reported for centuries and in
Western Europe and known as wood worlds, and I'm studying
those at the moment. Somebody asked me on Facebook the
(54:05):
other day, having seen me on the show. I think
it might have been the first one of these. I'm
not sure what I was wearing. Was I wearing some
mystic medallion my neck? Okay, now I'm disabled. It's my
disability alarm over tid downstairs and I need somebody to
(54:28):
come and pick me up. That's literally all it is.
There's nothing O came on magical about it.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
Okay three seconds?
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Oh oh, we do all right, So Jonathan, you can
go to Jonathan's website which is Charlie Foxtrot zero dot
org dot UK. Go and visit Jonathan there, and I
will post up Jonathan's books for you to go to
and to go and find. He's worked with many of
the greats that we know. But for lots of people
(55:00):
my channel, they would know Nick Redfern, and Nick is
soon to be on. He's harder to track down than
Sasquatch actually due to Wi Fi circumstances. But listen, Jonathan,
thank you so much again for coming back on, and
say say hi to Graham for me, and thank you
(55:21):
my lovely and have a wonderful evening. And I hope
my American audience have enjoyed the folklore of England here,
precious wet, cold England. All right, thank you, Jonathan, my
lovely big hugs and kisses, God blessing you see soon,
sweet pie. All right, bye bye bye from us
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Each cha
We're now I'm going to rive and real mine and
then welcome to the Naked Truth and now your host
Bridgid bar Clay.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Good evening America, and good early morning England, and hello
all your awakened ones on this very big planet that
we're on. Tonight is part two of My wonderful friend
Jonathan Downs. We did part one last week, so we're
going to go roll into part two. So I'm just
going to give you a little intro to Jonathan again.
For those who didn't know, I've known Jonathan for about
(01:04):
thirty years. I used to go to Jonathan's. He used
to hold meetings. He's a cryptozoologist. He's an author, he's
an editor. He's a filmmaker, poet, novelist, activist, journalist, composer, singer, songwriter,
and background in politics and mental healthcare. His dad was
a sorry. He is the director of the Center of
(01:27):
fourteen Zoology. His father was an explorer. The Colonel Service
officer JT. Downs, from nineteen twenty five to two thousand
and six wrote several books on wide range of subjects,
including African history, ethology, and Devon Sheer dialect. Now that
says a lot about Jonathan because he absolutely knows lots
(01:49):
of everything. So go back and listen to part one.
Jonathan founded the Center of fourteen Zoology, which we all
all right at the bottom for you to go to,
and he has it's the world largest cryptozoology research organization.
Last week we spoke about Oho moss Man, Prophecy moss
Man's deities, loads of different things. Actually, because we've pinged
(02:15):
backwards and forth, written and authored many many books, he's
considered in his branch of zoology rather rather very good
and rather famous, isn't it. Worked with Nick Redfund a
lot of his books. His best selling book is The
Owlman and the Others and Monster Hunter. I'm just gonna
lead him in. Alrighty is Jonathan there? Please, there's my lad.
(02:42):
Hello you, thank you very much, and thank you for
coming back for part two. And you're going to be
coming back for many, many, many many many parts because
you're just this side of the pond, so it makes
it slightly easier for us, all right, Jonathan. Last week
we spoke about lots of various different things and your
trips abroad and and you going to look at the
(03:07):
tuber Carborough and working out that the tuber Carboro may
not have been a tuber carbo in some cases because
you put it down to what was it? Was it?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
What was the animal the original tuber cabra, which is
the creature known from Puerto Rico, more specifically from the
Canavas Plateau high grass stand Pata in the middle of
the island. Everybody thinks is an upright walking thing with
spikes downds back of such blood isn't okay. I am
(03:40):
confident in saying that it's actually two introduced animals that
were introduced from West Africa, West Africa and India by well.
The porcupines are introduced by accident. The mongooses were introduced
(04:01):
in line in twenties to combat rats, and they're thought
of dialoud, but I've seen one anyway, so they haven't dialoud, okay,
And so the killings are done by mongooses. The thing
that's seen waddling along with spikes hoists back, I believe
(04:23):
is one of the Old World species of porcupine, which
was probably brought from West Africa as portable protein on board.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
The thieveris okay.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Well, you're quite historian as well, so you can look
back through history and then also when you've been there.
When you went there, you know you've got to look
at the evidence, haven't you. And it can't always assume
that it is going to be a Cuba car broke.
You've got to have like a process of elimination in
which you had done. So.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Ye think there is such a thing as the cover
in the way that everybody thinks. I don't think it
exists at all. Okay, And then the term has been
used all across Latin America just for anything weird looking now,
which is why it's used for these bald, bald skinned,
(05:21):
blue colored dog which almost certainly because all the ones
that have been analyzed, the ones that there have been
dead DNA analysis and the dead ones have both proved
to be complex hybrids between kyotes as they call them
(05:46):
in Texas and Mexican wolves. But here is really really
the intriguing thing.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I love anything intriguing comment.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
They're found in a place where they've never been with
Mexican wolves. Mexican wolf was wiped out in the wild
back in the nineteen seventies, and the last ones were
captured and transferred to a breeding program in New Mexico
where they do well. They've started to reintroduce them to Mexico.
(06:24):
But they don't and have never lived in that part
of Texas. So where the blinking flip did that DNA
come from?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I don't know any answers to anything really. Okay, well,
that's interesting that went to New Mexico. Seems that anything
quite interesting gets shipped to New Mexico, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It would be lovely if I could say that it
was found near Roswell, that would just be very very cool.
But it's nowhere near new nowhere near ros Will. But
New Mexico is a bloody great state, and there's a
woman I have friends who lived there, and absolute wilderness.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, it is right. So I dug out a few books.
One of my one of my little books that I read,
but I've read this many many years ago, is called
The Field of Field Guide to the Little People. I
got this book because when I was little, the first, well,
the second thing I ever saw. The first thing I
saw was go second thing I ever saw was fairies
in the garden with my friend Marny, which I've spoke
(07:29):
often about on my podcast. But also I used to
get uh when I when I started having my UFO
encounters I used to well, I saw once, well twice
little people on my window sill, and that was confirmed
again when I went back to go and work with
Bud Hopkins for the hypnosis I got. I got to
(07:51):
revisit that again with the little people. And I mean
they were very very small little people. My window was
open and they were running along the window sill. They
were popping in, popping out of the window sill. So
I want to talk about little people, but also I
want to talk about the Devil's footprints in England. I
would like I'd like a bit of America to hear
(08:13):
a bit of history behind a few of our old laws.
And obviously you've written a book about UFOs over Devon
as well, because the Devil's fit footprints happened in Devon
went down the river X. I think they said from
like Topsham And did you say when we just texting
(08:35):
each other earlier it was over your area? Where were you?
It was Exeter actually at the time, wasn't it there?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
It was all over parts of South dev down to Lindstone,
Topsham and Woodbury.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
That's correct.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, this was in eighteen fifty one, I think, because
I can't remember I can't.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Remember, it's okay. In twenty fifteen it was one hundred
and sixtieth anniversary of this strange event. So, oh, eighteen
fifty five that happened.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Aging fifty five? Yeah, okay, eighteen fifty one was the
first postage stamp, can you I got dating?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
You got it there? You got it there? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Five. But there have been sightings of this phenomenon later on, okay,
And there were sightings in my village about ten twelve
years ago.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
What what with snow as well?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
With snow?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Okay, all right, okay, because I know back in the
seventies it was really really bad snow in Limpster. We
were all snowed in. But I always remember growing up
being told about the Devil's footprints. Yeah, we lived in Limpston.
We had a little thatched cottage. My mum and my
dad was the local potter there, and my mum had
a little shop in the our front room, a little delicatessen.
(10:10):
But the road so we had the church. The opposite
the church there was a very very old wall and
we got told that the devil's footprints were on that wall.
And it went over a couple of houses. Then it
went over our house and then followed down down through
Limpston down to the river X and then it went
(10:32):
to Topham. So then I don't know how did it
go over the water. Then it must have gone over
across the well Totness is further down, but I know
that it did do Topsham. I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
And then it went across the water through a castle
and went along as what.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Do you do you think? What do you want to
talk us about? Talk us about the devil footprints?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Okay, well the story, Cue spooky music.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
The Halloween lights going lights?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
How can anybody be spooky and scared? And you've got
the lovely Bridgie holding my hand as I go through
the valley of the Shadow of Death. You've heard the
song the Devil went down to Georgia. Well in one night,
in two nights in February eighteen fifty five, the Devil
(11:36):
went down to Limpstone and I can't be of our valley,
and I tell I sing you a song about it.
But over two nights, weird horseshoe shaped footprints, but much smaller,
were found across a large swave of sid Deven. Now
(12:00):
just like every piece of historical data. When you're looking
at the truth behind this, you have to unpacked a
hell of a lot of it. At the time, people
in Woodbury.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yep, which was further back, so that was the other
side of limps in between Limpstone, Exmouth and Budley Salterton.
For all of the people locally.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
They believed that the devil had come himself because the
local vicar had let the devil in by changing the
prayer book that they used in church on Sunday. Okay,
those ones that's where the store the name the Devil's
(12:51):
Footprints came from. They weren't called the Devil's Footprints for
many years because they're actually called the Great Devon Mystery.
For at least forty years right until the end of
the nineteenth century, but it was believed that the devil
(13:12):
himself had been let in because of the change of
the prayer book. It turns out that it's almost certain
that the ones in Woodbury, the ones from which the
name Devil's Footprints came were fake and they were caused
by people who did not like the change the Sunday
(13:33):
service and the changes to the prayer group prayer book
going out with donkey shoes, which are much smaller than
the horseshoes, because they got much small hoofs going out
and making these footprints that went up the side of
buildings and went along the top of roofs and things.
(13:54):
And it has been suggested that the rest that the
weirdest and the most spooky of these, the ones that
went up sheer the walls and things were a fake.
But you still had these footprints over a long swave.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Miles and miles, yes, miles and miles.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Then about ten twelve years ago we had a fan call.
First thing in the morning. There was an old lady
is now dad, I'm afraid who lived up at the
village saying could we can mother look because she had
weird footprints in their garden. And Graham went up and
photographed them. Yeah, and I posted them on our then blog,
(14:52):
which is still available as a legacy plug and still
see it through the links on our website. And they
looked very much like the horseshoe shaped shoes horseshoes shaped
footprints reported as being by the devil, and people, including
(15:17):
quite serious scientists I know, all came up with different ideas.
Somebody said it was obviously a munth jack. Well, there
haven't been any month Jack. I'm not saying it won't be. Yeah,
that are still coming up from Exeter and I haven't
reached this part of North Deven yet. They're slowly expanding
(15:40):
their range, but they're aunt in muntjacks in the village.
And certainly we're twelve years ago other people were saying
all sorts of things, how they were.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Foxes village of you were in Exeter at the time.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
No, no, no.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
North Okay, yeah, okay, yep.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
And and my theory, you've heard the term mad as
a march hair. Yeah, well, in the February and March
it is the breeding season for the European brown hair,
especially in Britain, and the males are full of testosterone
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and another hornmen I can't remember its name, and they
sit up on them and they go to be bonkers.
They sit up on their back back legs and have
boxing matches with other hairs and they pop along. I
think that what you see, what these weird horses shared
(16:45):
prints are is male hairs full of testosterone and whatever
it is that makes them act crazy, jumping along with
their back feet together as they're fighting their rivals.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Okay, so well, so that's what you think the devil's
footprints could have been as well as could have been
the uh uh did you say goat? No, you said donkey, donkey.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
The donkey the ones in the wood were it is known.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Now well, would Bury itself is full of sort of
like myth and low. That's where I used to go
horse riding as a child, and I mean yeah, I
mean you've got obviously now. The Limpstone Marine camp use
it as a training base as a trade their first
start of their training. But it is absolutely beautiful, a
(17:46):
very very old ancient wood, very old ancient wood and
actually funny enough. John Pert we used to live up there,
a lovely thatched cottage, just tucked it tucked away. I
think his son, Shaan Pertwe now now has it still,
but it's tucked away beautiful.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I actually wrote a book about the weird stuff going
on in Woodbury with Nigel, Right, you remember Nigel.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Might remember the name? I would have, I would have
met I would have if you show me a picture,
show me a photograph, I'm sure I'll remember.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Nagine. I wrote a book called The Rising of the
Moon about weird events going on in Woodbury.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
And it's a very very quite wicken there as well,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Oh, very very It's one of those places where the
old England still exists.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, I mean because then you've got then obviously then
as you're saying, if the devil footprints then then went
down to top Nest or top Nest is very mythical,
very spiritual, still very spiritual, and I'm sure lots of
going going on. I mean, it's more by the water there,
but I know that, Yeah, Toption is very very spiritual.
(19:03):
For all of the Americans that would like to go over,
had to, had to, had to top him. It's really
quite unique and quite quite different. It's very different type
of glassroomer's small glass room rate on many scopes.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
But the thing is abouts is a very neo pagan,
but there are pockets of old school weirdness around would
Bury that the original pagan Yeah, Paganism was started after
the Last War. Okay, I could talk about the history.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I know, Yeah, I know that, you're yeah, total historian. Yeah,
on it definitely.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
It's very strange. And I actually spoke to one of
the original founders. Okay, that's where he died. He was
very old and dodgery Cecil Williamson. But I spoke to him.
He was, I believe, in his late eighty and very doggery.
But there has always been a hereditary hedge ridge Craft
(20:11):
in dev I mean my grandmother was a hereditary hedge
for Itch. My cousins are and I'm not because my
father went the other way and my father became hard
called Church of England and I's a lot of halfway between. Okay,
but Tops is one of those places where the old
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magic still seats through.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
My brother lives in Topsham. Tops is absolutely beautiful. Tops
is very beautiful. I remember it going up as a kid.
Is yeah, but yeah, it's yeah, it is absolutely beautiful Toption.
I didn't realize that. Actually there are a lot of
strange people in Toption, just as well as my brother.
But anyway, but anyways, but no, I always remember, so
go back to the devil swippers. I always remember. I
(20:58):
always remember the old law of My dad was very
good at sort of like you know, ground the fire,
telling telling stories. But you know, obviously anything to do
with Limpston was always quite magical. And we had some
very eccentric family friends growing up, which was like amazing
to hear the stories. There's a bit like you telling
the tales to your grandchildren. It was absolutely amazing. So
(21:22):
also in Limpston, I had like fairy encounters. So and
I had my UFOE counters in Limpston. And it's funny
because Preston Dennett is a really amazing gentleman, well authored
as well, when he's written many books, got a great podcast.
He put the idea in my head really and so
I put it out on Facebook for privately for anybody
(21:44):
that had had any encounters UFO encounters in Limpston to
contact me. And I got quite a lot of people,
you know, just and obviously I knew the areas where
it was, so some amazing UFO encounters in Limpston, you know,
right on my doorstep because I knew that. I obviously
can't be the only person to have the encounters growing
(22:05):
up as a child, but my god, I had like
a plethora of like just you know, younger generations or
passed on. This is what they remember their their mothers
or their fathers telling them, or what happened, or they
had collectively witnessed it as a family. So there was
a lot that went on in limps and so in
your book UFOs over Devon, what were the what were
(22:28):
the areas that you that you covered with that place.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I just the publisher asked me to cover the whole
of the county. Okay, Well, basically most of the book
is taken from the book I wrote with Nigel Or
of the Moon, which is available. It's one of my
few books that isn't available through me, but it's available
(22:54):
to a company called zi Fast.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
And thought, well, we have your website there, so maybe
it's link to your website.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I don't know if it's on my web or not.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
I don't know if Gwynn, who is I can add it.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I can add it to the I can add it
to the link.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Gwynn my my assistant. I don't know if she's put
it on or not.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I should.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
There are lots of ghosts and UFO and fairy and
monster sightings from Lincherton Wouldbury and oh, I remember the
name it. It's one of the suburbs of I.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Can't remember, Budley, Sultan Satan.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
It's one of the actual suburbs of the town itself. Buddy,
it's one of the suburbs of Exmouth itself.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Okay, all right, yeah, well that's where I used to
go to school as a kid, is Exmouth. Did it
absolutely bloody hated it. Left at sixteen, never went back, well,
only to visit the family. Hated Limpson's It's just a
seaside talent, just just overtook in the summer. I was
just like, oh my god, I got it out.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
But you know, did I have any your phone counters
in Limpstone, I mean the next one. No, I don't
think I did. I think they kind of stopped then
and then no, didn't know. I didn't have anything extraordinary.
But then then I found boyfriends and everything got forgotten about.
I think, well, anyways, that's another story. But anyways, that's
(24:36):
another supernatural story. So right now, then, what I was
thinking about, like the fairies and the different types of fairies,
because we do have different types of fairies.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
We have fairies that are enclosed. You have fairies that
aren't in closed. You have fairies with wings. We don't
have fairies without wings, big fairies, tall, you know, small fairies.
Is there is there a common factor within them?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
The only common factor that I can think of is
that they are from elsewhere. They're not from this plane.
I personally don't think that either fairies or aliens or
UFOs or any of this stuff. I don't think it
comes from another planet. I think it's part of Yeah,
(25:31):
it is stuff that is part of our world. It's
just governed by those of scientific and understand yes, yet
and they live in our world, but on a different
plane and a different reality somehow.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
And as I am.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
A scientist and I see, it is my job to
try and explain this stuff. And I am sure that
we will eventually reach an explanation, a coding explanation for
how the stuff works, why it works, and hopefully be
(26:13):
able to establish some sort of reliable communication with these folk.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Well, we spoke when I did your podcast. We spoke
about my friend Mike Patterson from Ontario, Canada Sasquatch, Ontario, Canada,
that deals with nefheteer in his family. And you know
the sort of like giftings that I was given through
listening to Mike's So Mike is having communication audio communication,
(26:40):
and he has he has got visuals, photographs, but that's
the other person that he's working with has has taken
I think I totally agree with you. I totally agree
with you, Jonathan, I do believe it is inter dimensional.
I do believe it is a part of us to
be able to grow spiritually, to be able to evolve
spirit to be able to understand it. And I think
(27:01):
the more that you evolve spiritually, the more that you
will have this type of communication. So you know, there
are people that not knock in any of the TV
shows out there. I mean, I do love Skinwalker's Ranch,
not knock in any of the Bigfoot kind of shows.
But I think, I think again, Mike is in pretty
(27:22):
much a league of his own of what he's doing,
and I absolutely in awe of what he's doing, and
I totally get what he's doing along with many other people.
I do believe that he does have the evidence there.
But you know, it's where people want to take it in.
But because his interactions are so so so I don't
(27:47):
want word use on point, but it's so what we
can take in right now. They're not going to give us,
let's say, the the the interdimensional beings, the whole picture.
Yet it's for us to be able to sort of
like I don't like to use with this word either,
drip feed into sort of like into the social sort
of like conditioning of people. But when Mike's getting it
(28:08):
all of the time with all of the evidence, we
don't just need the footprints, you know, we need all
of the other sort of bets and bobs that go
with it, the nuts and bolts. I either the samples,
the hair samples, and the audios. And when other people
are picking up the same audios from another part of
(28:29):
the world and having these experiences as well, which they are,
that is quite quite amazing. I mean, what is the
difference between the yetti and a big sasquatch?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Oh? I have always loved you, dear love the way.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I'm just simple.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
One to another.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Well, in my head it's kind of like the same sentence.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Really, You're like you're like a big grasshopper jumping from
one place to another.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
A march hare, darling, I'm a march hare.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yours, but we have the devil prince there.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Probably what's the difference?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Climate? Okay, all right, then.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
You're talking to There is all across Central Asia, from
the course of man Caucusus Mountains in the west to
central China in the east, there are reports of unknown
(29:43):
human like species.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Okay, do they have the same same sort of like say,
footprints the same sort of like everything as a sasquatch
like materialized the materialize folk.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
The ones in Central Asia are far more likely to
be real animals. Buye real, I mean as real as
my little dog who's down now on the hearths were scratching,
you know, as real as you and I are flesh
and real, flesh and blood, three dimensional creatures.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
We've sent expeditions to Russia looking for the Caucasusus version
of something called the al mass or the Almasty. We've
sent expeditions to Mongolia looking for the same thing, and
most recently, Richard came back from Tajikistan about three weeks
(30:43):
ago and said that they're looking for their version of it,
which is called the Ghoul. Although it does appear to
be more ancient and more primitive than the other ones,
we believe, and this is only a preliminary hypothesis, that
(31:04):
this shows that mankind developed in Africa. We know that
and man came out of Africa to colonize the rest
of the world, but we believe that before modern man developed,
some of the more primitive hominins also came out of Africa.
(31:26):
So the man came out of Africa on more than
one occasion, and the hominins that are reported from across
Central Asia we believe are the descendants of earlier exoduses
from Africa. Now, in prehistoric times, there was a land
(31:48):
bridge across what is now the Barren Straits is called Berengaria,
and so the land bridge which connected Alaska to Russia.
And that's how early man and masterdons and horses and
all the other creatures that colonized North America, especially the megafauna.
(32:14):
It's how they got across and colonized the vast areas
of North America. And there is a school of thought,
and totally on the fences regards this one, that.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Some of.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
The sasquatch bigfoot reports from North America are descendants of
at least one of the species of early Man that
crossed over at the same time as modern man did.
(32:57):
And by the way, when I say modern man, modern
man saity five thousand years old, not in modern manners
and week moder man si five thousand years old, I
think that there is an argument to be made that
that is what the Sasquatch of the Pacific Northwest are. Okay,
(33:20):
but there are reports of similar creatures that can do
all sorts of peculiar things like operating and materializing and deeming,
realizing and getting out of the space ships and all
sorts of other wedge the stuff I'm not swearing this week,
(33:45):
all sorts of of course, you're a wonderful girl. You
always remember that are less and less likely to actually
be flesh and blood actual creatures.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, because ghosts. Ghosts aren't flesh and blood. They are
They are into dimensional, aren't they right, because they're popping
in and popping out again. They fade in, fade out.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
It appears to be. Although I'm quite a believer in
Left Briges Stone Tape series, a theory that historical events
can sort of be recorded, especially on planet Crystals, and
then get played back as you're going. So, what isn't
(34:37):
the spirit of Amberleyn walking along Hampton Court with her
head under her arm.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Explained on that? That's right, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
It is a recording.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Yeah, they say people believe happened.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Okay, oh right, okay, because I mean they say, like,
let's say, a haunting in a room, it's the history
of that room that is repeating itself. Yes, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
I've got you on that. It's a bit like a
time loop. It's going back around again. You're just seeing
it visually again, like you know, you know some of
(35:14):
the best hauntings really Yeah, yeah, I do believe that.
Well a memory, isn't it a house memory?
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Oh? Yeah? And it's interesting how I want to know
what it is that triggers these memories and makes them
manifest themselves again. And another thing as well, as there
are things interesting. I believe in things which charl Sagan
called fossil memories, which are deep inside the psyche of
(35:47):
every man, woman and child on the planet. And because
they are so deep in the psyche of mass human kind,
I believe that.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Something and triggers it. At that point, I think that something.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Is most likely to be something on the electromagnetic spectrum,
which is why you can get weird magnetic fluctuations and
weird MF fluctuations with certain ghost stings.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
The trouble is everybody believes that it is the ghosts
themselves that of causing these fluctuations. I think it's the
other way around. I think there's something in that particular
place as part of the geology or part of physics,
of that particular place which triggers these things to here,
(36:48):
I think these things are appeared because of the place.
It is a book out the spirit of place.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, I think if I, if I can sort of
look at two ghost sightings that I had. It happened
between I said this and part one. It happened between
an old part of a house and a new part
of house, which was literally a doorway where we'd be
still in the old house. And then the other part
was an extension of and it would be that's where
(37:18):
I saw a lady had appeared. And I was going
to the toilet late at night. Woke up in the night,
went to the toilet and didn't close the door because
it was just me. Got up from the toilet, and
there in front of me was a lady right in
front of me. Now at that point you could think,
I'm sort of like half sleep half half awake. Now
(37:39):
you're talking about the fossil memory type of thing. I
was never aware that she had died there. I didn't
know anything about her, but I knew that her room,
her bedroom was just on the other side her old bedroom.
That was her old bedroom. So part of me might
have remembered that so triggered something there could have done
fossil memory game thing. And then because I was able
(38:01):
to see ghosts before and maybe that sort of like
that sort of like thought process. Right at that right
point of where she literally took her last breath, that's
where she appeared. I just saw it right in front
of me, held my breath for shit, I gotta get upstairs,
held my breath, and just walked straight through her. I
(38:24):
knew that. I walked straight through her, and then I
just turned around and went up the stairs. And afterwards,
Oh my god. So there's there's got to be a
sort of like a fusion of a few of quite
a few things to be able to have that encounter.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Right, how old were you then?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I was I was eighteen nineteen at the time. Yeah,
eighteen nineteen. I remember this Morning had just come out
on TV because so whatever the date was, this morning
had come out on TV because they then had a
hypnotherapist on and they were talking about past lives, and
I remember writing the name of that person and then
(39:01):
contacting them and then went to go go to visit
them and went and had pass life therapy with them.
So yeah, it was I think it was more last
part of eighty eight to eighty nine, and then another one,
another one where you're saying about a memory, a fusion
of memory. The ghost was in a chair. It sounds
(39:24):
really crazy, like a rocking chair. The windows were Edwardian.
She appeared, the whole room totally changed, the wardrobe changed,
There was no longer a wardrobe. There there was weavings
on the wall. So that's where the memory of the
old room came in. Yeah, so the room was gone.
It was just back to how she lived it in
her time. And then she just went to touch the
(39:46):
window and she totally disappeared. That was my first ever encounter.
I shit myself. I was so scared. I was like,
oh my god. But the next day everyone in the
house had seen her, and everyone in the house had
seen her before. So yeah, so it is a memory.
Is a fusion of lots of things, fusion of lots
(40:09):
of things that allow you to have these encounters. And
I suppose when people say, oh, you still have a neutrophone,
counters yeah, because I suppose you've got an infusion of
all of the other things that have happened in my
life than other experiences, lives that you may be tapping
into something that's just boom going to happen to you.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, it sounds like there's two stories you tell, are
two totally different.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yeah, I was very young. I was very young with
the I was probably seven when I had that encounter
with the lady in the in the bedroom with the
whole room had changed. And like I said, I was
eighteen latter part of eighteen nineteen when I had the
with the lady. But that was just one of many, many,
many many ghosts.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Encounters would Yeah, I would have hapothes.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
You're going to put it down to puberty, which is
none of my business. No, but you know no, But
we're talking about abductions and stuff like that as well.
It all happens at these times as well.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
And I think that the difference between the two types
of encounter, the difference between the way your body works
before and after it. It's not that you're a pubescents
(41:40):
at the time, because you weren't. I mean, your little
girl one time and an adult except or the adult experiences,
but you were physically an adult. The second time would
have changed absolutely massively. You experienced them differently.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah, it was, Yeah, I mean the first one it
was just like scary. Then then as you go, and
then then the second one was the fairies in the
same house and actually again that was Limpston. Again. That's
why it's just really interesting to find out a little
bit more from people about what other experiences other people within,
you know, residents in Limpston had had. Yeah, there was.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
One of the problems, especially when you are dealing with
female witnesses, is a lot of it does come down
to puberty. And in the times when I have not
been working with a female researcher, that does get difficult
(42:50):
because women do not want some elderly guy with long
hair asking about their experiences of men.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Now, okay, and so it.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Is it is more difficult for a male researcher, Okay,
dealing with this sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
You've got to ask the questions, research right, because then
you'll get like then it's like it's like with the UFOs.
You know what what are you? Recis negative racist negatives?
You know, recis negative. More people that are experiences are
recist negative. If you don't ask the questions, you don't
you don't have your your research.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Then you know, I'm an ex nurse and I'm a
qualified nurse, and I don't care about the stuff. I'm
not worried bodily functions, male or female. I don't mind
talking about them. I find it, I find them interesting.
They're an integral part of what makes us. Yeah, of course,
(43:51):
but I do know that some of some of the
experiences don't like talking about.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Well, actually, if you go back to part one, for
everyone to go back to part one, that's what we
actually did speak about. Because you were talking about you're
talking about the owl Man. That that what you only
had one guy that witnessed the owl Man, one one
male witness, and he was with a female, and you
said that, you know, it was mainly female that witnessed.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah, And the interesting thing here is that the female,
a female witness who i've called Sally, except that's not
a real name. That doesn't matter. I've called her Sally.
The female witness was having her first period at the time.
(44:48):
And that is a time when whether you believe in
biochemistry or whether you believe in magic, whether we.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Let off a hormone anyway, don't you yes.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
If you like, I believe in both. I believe magic
is a craft. It's not focus.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
It's something you can learn absolutely.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Like John Constantine's an heep can do it, I beep
for myself. There magic is something which is part of
a human psychics and we have and the female body
going through the first chemical adolescence is incredibly powerful and
(45:33):
causes the most god awful disruption to everything around it.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Peanuts agreeing to you.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, Graham is on his way downstairs to feed him first,
He's set the other cats off as well.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Does Gray want to come and say Hi, he's not here? Okay?
Ey howling? Oh? They know, they know, don't they when
they they're just about to arrive. Yeah, that's true. Yeah,
I mean, I mean, I'm sure lots of research has
gone in for the like abductive side of it. From
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between the males and the females. Sadly, I think the
males get a lot of a harder time. I mean, okay, yes,
the females do get a hard time as well, But
I think I think psychologically psychologically, from the male experiences
that I know, I think they're a little bit more
psychologically damaged than females. I'm not.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
Don't.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I'm not saying that some females aren't, because yes, there
are some female experiences that I know are psychologically damaged
from it. I think it depends how you, how you
how you respond to it, and how you how if
you want to go down that positive route of life
like it's happened and you know, you just own it
and you learn from it. But a lot of the
(47:07):
male experiences I know that have had some very traumatic
things that have happened to them. So so you know,
you've got your X and your why haven't you? Obviously
everything is interested in the X and the Y to
come together to be able to you know, and the
energy that it's created. You know. I spoke to Eve
Longer and she did a brilliant book called Love Bite Scenario,
(47:29):
and it was about putting two experiences together that that
that causes that tension, that that that that build of
sort of like not talking Condolini, I'm not talking Tantra,
but it is kind of that energy that is created
that that then they all kind of absolutely love.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
So so otherwise the noise then that was the dog
knocking the bin and the kicker.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
It wasn't a poltergeist then, No, I didn't know it.
Added I didn't know it anyway. I was too busy
in my world thinking about all of the energies actually
then at that point, and how marvelous the energies are,
but so so male. I'm going to go back to
the ace and sasquatch actually because this is now this
is quite interesting for me again I know, no, no,
(48:19):
but no, but no, because it's about the male and
the female.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
So there here views so guilt.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Maybe I don't know, but no, I'm talking about the
male and the female sasquatch. Is there is there has
there been any sort of like findings of like this
is male, this is female? Hang on a minute, hang on,
We've got a male and we've got an X and
a Y. What's what's happening here? Have we have? We
got that?
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Well, there are people who claim they have encountered a
big male the equivalent of the silverback gorillas sascratch. And
there are people and if it's actually real, not broken
a monkey sit the famous Pathison Gimnen photograph. There's a
(49:14):
female because she's got big hairy breasts dreeping down the
way she walks is to adjust the center of gravity
session fall over.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Okay, but so does a male have that?
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Right?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Okay? Well well yeah, okay, okay, oh yeah, okay, all right, yeah,
well you know you're.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
A girl and girls walk different little boys. You have
wider hips and you have a top heavy ball body
that so your center of gravity.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
Is in a different place, okay differently.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
And most of their views for arms.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
But it is you know it.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
This is just biological fact. And it does seem that
there have been records of bed male and female Saskatch,
and it does seem like they've been record there have
been claim records young child.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yes, yeah, so so go back to Mike Patterson for Ontario,
Canada Sasquatch. Yeah, he's he's had lots of little prints
and well small well he's recorded over the years. I
can't remember how many is I want to say about
fifteen now different sizes. So he let's say Nef. He's
(50:36):
knows Nef's prints and he's been seeing them progressively getting bigger.
But also he's seen other prints that have come up
as well.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
That proves that there are there are little ones with
it as well that are with them.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
I have done work as well another pattern North America.
I've talked to people who do appear they claim to
have families of these things as avn'te Sanderson would have
called them, and yes, yes, I will. They have they
(51:17):
have complete loss. I'm saying that they do seem to
have families of these things, and I haven't seen Sanderson
was one of the great American fourteens, and he referred
to these things as things. And they wrote a book
called Things, another book called more Things.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
That's a great second title from the book.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
Print.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
I couldn't recommend them more. You can pick them up
second hand shops and three markets and things anything. And
I'm really.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Really written that down. Okay, fan plastic books and you're
the monster I am. Let's put it out there. Let's
put it out there. We don't know who the author is.
Jonathan doesn't know who the author is. But it was
a book that Jonathan read when he was very very young,
his mother picked up from a library for him that
(52:15):
started him on the cryptozoology route and totally pissed off
his school teacher when he put up his hand that
he wanted to be a monster hunter. But it was
called myth and a monster's a myth or monster? Yeah, sorry,
myth or monster. Anybody knows of it, or anyone knows
who who authored it or has a copy, please get
(52:36):
in touch with me or Jonathan, and it would be
absolutely lovely to get Jonathan a title a book of that.
So we were all going to go on Abe Books
and all of the other search engines that we use
to go and look for it for you. Well we
have we have like three minutes Jonathan left, so please
fire away with anything that you would love to talk about,
(52:58):
because we are going to continue with you on very
many parts of while I'm doing while I'm doing my podcast.
What else would you like to talk about, my love
and what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (53:08):
That's a big question. At the moment, I'm studying. I'm
very much involved in the study of British HM sidings.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
The thing British British big Okay, people.
Speaker 3 (53:29):
Would want to call British Bigford, but don't anything to
do with bigfood. I think there's something different.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
I think there was very British man.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
I'm six seven, or I was when I didn't st
but these things have been reported for centuries and in
Western Europe and known as wood worlds, and I'm studying
those at the moment. Somebody asked me on Facebook the
(54:05):
other day, having seen me on the show. I think
it might have been the first one of these. I'm
not sure what I was wearing. Was I wearing some
mystic medallion my neck? Okay, now I'm disabled. It's my
disability alarm over tid downstairs and I need somebody to
(54:28):
come and pick me up. That's literally all it is.
There's nothing O came on magical about it.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
Okay three seconds?
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Oh oh, we do all right, So Jonathan, you can
go to Jonathan's website which is Charlie Foxtrot zero dot
org dot UK. Go and visit Jonathan there, and I
will post up Jonathan's books for you to go to
and to go and find. He's worked with many of
the greats that we know. But for lots of people
(55:00):
my channel, they would know Nick Redfern, and Nick is
soon to be on. He's harder to track down than
Sasquatch actually due to Wi Fi circumstances. But listen, Jonathan,
thank you so much again for coming back on, and
say say hi to Graham for me, and thank you
(55:21):
my lovely and have a wonderful evening. And I hope
my American audience have enjoyed the folklore of England here,
precious wet, cold England. All right, thank you, Jonathan, my
lovely big hugs and kisses, God blessing you see soon,
sweet pie. All right, bye bye bye from us
Speaker 1 (56:00):
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