November 10, 2023 • 55 mins
Tonight's The Naked Truth special guest is another of my long time personal friends Mike Clelland. He's an author, illustrator outdoorsman and UFO Owl related UFO researcher.High Strangeness as we know follows the UFO related experIencers around and Mike is no stranger to that himself , so he has dived deep into writing first hand accounts regarding Owls and the Synchronicity that often entwine in these events.
Authored also in being an outdoorsman he also understands how nature works alongside paranormal experiences first hand.
I feature in Mike's book The Messenger as I too have had UFO related OWL close encounter .Mike traveled over to England in 2014 were we placed my story together for this Fascinating book . Let's see where this interesting subject matter takes us and must for anyone thats has Highness following them around also .
It's gonna be a HOOT !!!!
www.mikeclelland.com
Authored also in being an outdoorsman he also understands how nature works alongside paranormal experiences first hand.
I feature in Mike's book The Messenger as I too have had UFO related OWL close encounter .Mike traveled over to England in 2014 were we placed my story together for this Fascinating book . Let's see where this interesting subject matter takes us and must for anyone thats has Highness following them around also .
It's gonna be a HOOT !!!!
www.mikeclelland.com
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Hi Line, Welcome to The NakedTruth and now your host Harian Richard bar
Clay. Hi there, guys,so again, good morning America, end
of early morning in England. Welcometo the on Next radio podcast. I'm
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your host Bridget Barclay here from Englandand welcome to the Naked Truth. Well
tonight we have another good friend ofmine, Mike Cleland. He is my
guest. He is an author offiction and non fiction and a fascinating book
in regarding to our synchronicities and UFOs, and that's how we got in contact
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with each other, and he placedme in his book The Messenger, which
we'll go through shortly. So welcomeMike, thank you, Hello you There
he is there. He's not perchedon a perched in a tree or anything
like that. Yeah, I meanI can with this spot clause. Let's
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do this. There we go.Are you okay? I'm good. From
the other side of the pond fromI'm almost to the Pacific. The Pacific
Oceans about a five minute walk fromwhere I'm sitting here. It's part of
the Pacific Ocean. It's kind ofInland Bay, but so yeah, a
whole ocean and a whole continent furtheraway. Yeah, oh yeah, definitely
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still call either way gray and rainyhere. Yeah, so we've got English
weather where I live now. Ilive. I live near Seattle, so
we can commiserate about the weather.I think it's been hailing here today.
It's been really bad, but it'sit's quite nice for this stuck inside doing
a field tea things. So Mike, Welcome to Mike. Thank you,
thank you very much, and thankyou. So we go back to twenty
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fourteen. I do believe when youhad come over here to stay in England.
Yeah, and we'd yeah, wehad talked at length on the phone
or whatever version of the phone wewere using back then, skape or something,
and a lot before that, tryingto trying to hammer out some of
the details of your experiences. Yeah. Now, because obviously I didn't know
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that owls and UFOs go together.And you know, that's how I got
in contact with you, because itwas with other two other experiences. The
my synchronicity was, and the thingis with synchronicities, it's such strange synchronicities
and then then boom, then you'vegot an owl on top of everything else.
And I just didn't understand any ofthat. So that's where I came
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to you. So tell me howyou got into because it's experiences with your
own experience, isn't it you firsthand experience in research. That's why you
wrote the books. That was myinitially. Yeah, I had been reading
UFO literature, turning the clock backto around two thousand and six, fifteen,
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sixteen, seventeen years ago. Yikes, seventeen eighteen years ago. Now,
yaya, yikes. And so Ihad been been been reading somewhat obsessively
about the UFO experience. So Iwas well aware that there was owls that
occasionally got reported in the context ofUFO events, most often in the form
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of a screen memory. And Ihad an experience camping with a friend and
we saw a bunch of owls andwow, was it heavy handed and trippy
and unusual, like powerfully strange,Like it was three owls on one night.
And then we went with this waswell camping, And then right when
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she brought up the topic of oddthese owls appeared. And then four days
later we went camping in a differentpart of the mountains I was at the
time, I was living in rightnext to Granteton National Park. And so
four days later we went camping intoa totally different part of the world or
excuse me, a different part ofthe park there, and three owls at
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sunset, almost the same thing,a different place with the same person.
So after that, so when Isaw those owls. The woman's name was
Kristen that I was camping with.When I saw those owls two times,
three owls four days apart, Ididn't really say this at the time.
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I say it now, but Iwasn't saying it at the time. Looking
at real owls, I heard avoice in my head that very clearly said,
it's something to do with the UFOs. And I don't know if it
was my own internal voice, whetherit was some sort of but it was
a really strong kind of like,oh, sort of sort of well a
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message, I guess is easy wayto see it as anything. So I
say say what it said again,because you slightly went go forget me.
Okay, it's the voice in myhead said this has something to do with
the UFOs. I was looking atreal owls. Voice in my head said
this has something to do with UFOs. So I started I started looking up
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the mythology of owls and the totemmeaning of owls and the spiritual meaning of
owls. At the same time,I started to look at their connection with
UFOs. And at the same time, I started looking into my own experiences,
which I had not looked at,like I was like pushing those away.
I didn't want to deal with thoseexperiences UFO experiences in my youth.
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And so at the time I wouldhave been about forty four, forty three,
forty four, and the UFO experienceshad been in Two of them happened
when I was twelve years old,and then one of them happened when I
was thirty and I managed to justlike deny put them in the just not
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I wasn't going to deal with theseat all. These these events were they
were they close encounters? They sureseem to be, yeah, though I
was not. I was like,oh, that's a dream. Owned doesn't
mean anything. I'm not going togo there. So and then so after
I started looking at not only didI look into the sort of spiritual mythic
meaning of owls, I looked intomy own started looking into my own UFO
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contact experiences because you know, sorry, oh yeah, so keep going Yeah,
no, no, because I meanthere is there is, There is
good and bad withows, isn't there. So you've got like the Hindus see
it as a bad luck and adeath. But then also you've got like
the wisdom, intuition, knowledge,you know, the messenger, truth,
patients, you know. So soin a few scenarios, it can it
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can mean different things to religions.Content, yes, But so what happened
was so very early on there.I had a blog at the time.
I started a blog in two thousandand nine, and one of the very
first stories I put on the blogwas was the story of camping with Kristen
and seeing those owls. So veryearly on, I started writing about owls
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in my own personal experiences and alsoin the context of the UFO contact experience.
And I started getting people sending me. They were sending me their stories,
and right at the top of myon the top of my blog,
I put, I want to hearyour owl story you still have on your
Oh yeah, it's on my rightpage. It's right at the very top.
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Yeah. And so I've been collectingowl stories. So if anyone anywhere
in the world google's UFOs owls,my name is going to come up.
And then about the next twenty namesbelow that are the listings below that are
going to be me. So Ivery quickly became known sort of as the
owl guy, and very and andstarted collecting these stories. So so the
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lore, the folk lore can bepretty dark and as a harbinger of doom
or a or or a sign ofan impending death in Shakespeare, in in
Julius Caesar as well as in Macbeth. Uh they there there's a fatalic deaths
of the characters are predicted by thehooting of an owl. And and so
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it's like it's it's all over theplace in in the lore. But that's
not what I'm finding. The storiesthat I'm collecting are curiously I don't want
to say positive, but i'll saybenign. Well. And then but there's
like there's a there's a hopeful sentimentwhen you look at all of the stories
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collectively, right, so that likethat it's the there's some small amount of
the stories are pretty dark, buta large amount of the stories seem to
have to do with like spiritual awakening, which I did not expect when I
started doing the research. Another onetoday, you know, my encounter happened
on a road that I've had afew UFO experiences on in just outside hav
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to Stock a place called beer Also, as I wrote, so it happened
on the same road that I'd hada UFO experience on. But today I
just, you know, put itinto Google, and I said, I
found in the sentence it says,what does it mean if an owl flies
onto your car? Into your car? Into your car? Yeah, And
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it says another potential reason for owlsflying into the car that they may be
trying to defend themselves from perceived threats. If an owl feels threatened by a
car's headlights or loud engine noise,it may try to defend itself by flying
directly at the car an attempt toscare it away. Whatever it as a
threat, I've never read that qumy. In my experience, it wasn't
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a threat. It was just thesynchronicity between two other x UFO experiences and
the high strangeness that went with it. But yeah, like I said,
you know, for a massive hourafter you know it's in the book,
in your book, chapter five,for it to bounce straight into my windscreen
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after I heard very similar to yourself. I can see you and that was
related at the same time as someonethese experiences were tapping. I can see
you because we looked back at timesand synchronicities and it was but I mean
it was. Yeah, there's ahuge story behind that, but yeah,
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it is. I did see.It's a I don't know, I don't
know. It was quite spiritual becauseit is a beautiful bird. But to
have it to go with the UFOexperience and on the same road I've had
UFO experiences, yeah, yeah,And your story also is intertwined with a
very strange like almost synchronicity, isnot there even the right word, like
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almost that that printer scanner that appearedin the parking lot. Yeah yeah,
I just you know, you justcan't make these things up. You know.
This isn't about me. This today, this is about you telling me
all of your experiences. But it'sthere in detail, not too much detail
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in your book. But it wasremarkable, but it was it was like
a miracle that happened. And thenthe UFO the our experience. So yes,
yes, but so with all ofthe other experiences that people have come
to you have they told you ofthe high strangeness and then they've had that
our experiences as well, then absolutely, yeah, absolutely, that's actually the
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really well way. The meaning that'syou could so that you could, that's
I can't answer the meaning I wishI could. I tried, I can,
but but the so I mean thetotal I'm stretching my arms out so
you can't. My hands are offthe screen there. But if you,
oh, the UFO literature, inthe UFO research community, in the in
the in the data pool that isconnected with UFOs is enormous. It's it's
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so deep and and the but I'mnot looking at that big giant pool.
I'm not looking at the big totality. You know, there's like you know,
government conspiracies, and then there's kindof people channeling, and then there's
you know, nuts and bolts,burn marks in the ground. I'm not
looking. I'm looking at this thinlittle thread and I'm I'm the stories are
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coming to me. I don't haveto reach out for many stories. The
stories are coming. I'm pulling onthis little thin thread that is the UFO
and OWL connection. And within thatlittle sliver of the great, big giant
picture of the great big pool,there is a that's where the the the
high strangeness, the sort of mysticalaspect of it. So the stories that
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I'm collecting are very strange, andthey have a powerful mystical, a powerful
mystical I would say that was severe. So I would say that was a
severe high strangeness that I had withthe Owl and the Prince of Scanner.
It was severe. Yea, yeah, on the rector scale of high strangeness.
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It was just like But but that'sconsistent with what I'm finding in the
in the the Owl and UFO stories. So so what I'm so, what
I'm saying is you are not alonein the overlapping weirdness that that seems to
follow this. Now, other reportsand other things, it's very commonly reported
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that people will have synchronicities in connectionto UFO contact. But but for some
reason, this what I'm the threadthat I'm pulling on is just rich with
these symbolic and mythic stories. Okay, So can we go back to when
you were twelve a you UFO experiences? Okay, So when I was twelve
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years old, I was I wasgrew up in Michigan, and so one
of the events took place where Iwas at a friend's sleepover. His name
is Kenny, and it was justit wasn't quite in the same neighborhood he
was. He had knew him fromelementary school. He moved to a different
town. But I was in hishouse and there was a it was nighttime,
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and he had a bunch of brothersand sisters, and so the house
was crowded with kids, and itwas a Friday, and it was a
weekend, so everyone was up butlooking out the window from his bedroom with
as I recall, the lights wereoff in the bedroom and look at and
we both went, what is that? And we went right up against the
glass and there was something in thenighttime sky that was like a s cylinder
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rotating at a very odd angle.And and my sense was it was close
and not very big, maybe thesize of a vanka. But and we
watched it for not too long,and it was twirling in this very smooth,
eerie way, and then it justwent. It was gone. And
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we both ran downstairs and we hadbecause I was drawing as a little kid,
and we both ran downstairs and wedrew it, and I remember I
still have the image. And wedrew it that night. Yeah, Oh
wow, I should have asked tosee that. Oh, it's in the
books. Yeah, it's on mywebsite and things like that. Yeah,
so the image isn't that interesting.It doesn't look like much, but it's
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it's just it looks like a coffeecan in the night sky with some lights
on it. Actually it would bea coffee can with a pencil sticking out
the top. So well, becauseyou're an absolutely amazing illustrator, so of
your own books, of so yourbackground, what was your background within obviously
started very young illustrating, So whatgot you what continued did you go off
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into Oh? Yeah, I livedin New York City and worked for ed
agencies in the film industry doing illustrationwork and in the eighties a long time
ago, and then I moved outWest and started doing book illustration in the
nineties. Very and very black andwhite, isn't it. So it's like
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you know that, Yeah, fine, sometimes fine lines, So a lot
of the work is fine line illustration. I did a lot of instructional books
for camping and skiing and rock climbingand such, so being an outdoor person,
thankfully, So would you say theydid you go into writing those books
because of your outdoor skills and thenyou put your illustrations together. Well,
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it was I was uniquely positioned todo the ill It was funny because I
would do these books on like skiinstruction and in camping techniques and such like
that, and those are very easyfor me because I ski in camp And
then people would call me up andsay, can you do a book on
canoeing And I was like, nope, I don't know anything about canoeing.
Or they would say, oh,I want can you do a book about
golf? Like I'm like, noway, I'm not that I don't know
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anything about golf, and they said, I'll just explain everything to you.
And it's like, not like theoh that's the thought of someone trying to
explain how to hold a golf cluband then drawing it and then being the
resource where I could. I wasvery comfortable doing that with like you know,
how to hold your ski phole,but not yeah, hey, I
was so I turned anyway. SoI was very very singular and not taking
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on work that I that I wasn'tintimately connected with. Lots of coffee shops
I saw as well. Oh,and then there was this I used to
carry a sketchbook around. Yeah,its funny. I just put some stuff
on a on a website and Iuh, and it's all the work I
did. The stuff that I'm mostproud of and most sort of lights a
little fire in my heart is thesketchbook stuff, which just doesn't know,
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nobody hired me to do the sketchbookstuff. It's like it's sort of like
playing the banjo on the porch.As far as like the illustration, I
did send some images to Race,so if Race came here, he can
put the illustrations up. But he'soh, I did that for your kids.
I did that for your kid.It's June twenty fourteenth, right,
yeah, and fourteenth. Literally atthe table, you know, it was
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like I think I'd cooked breakfast andthat that happened within like an hour an
hour and a half, Like,oh, I'm sure it was probably quicker
than an hour and a half.Yeah, I know, but I think
we were having breakfast as well atthe same time. But it was just
like how amazing, and as wellit was like, wow, oh,
I did it for your daughter.You did yessica? Yeah he did.
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Yeah, she loved it. Andthen and then my ginger cat at the
top was Griffin on the top ofthe elephant's head. So that was so
sweet, Right, Can I askthem it's owls, not just a nighttime
occurrence, any any good our experiencesthroughout the day? Let me think,
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Yeah, I'm sure I could comeup with some. You're you're catching me
off a little, so so letme think during the day. This is
the problem. You get hundreds ofstories and and some of them are very
long. Yeah, so okay,well we'll go back to that. Well,
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so here, here's a quick one. Here's a quick one. So
so this is this is this isone I haven't never told before on and
it's kind of funny and there's noUFOs in it, but it does.
It is kind of like telling ofthe of the So a woman just got
her reiki attunement, just to Rekilevel three. So she's a certified reiki
healer and reiki is a form ofhands on energy healing. So she is
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really happy and she's like, ohmy goodness, it's such a nice day.
I'm gonna go walk on the trails. So she walks in the trail
in the woods and she finds aside trail she's ever noticed before. I've
never seen this trail. I hikethis trail all the time. There's a
little side trail coming off and I'venever seen before. She goes in the
side trail and there's a and thenshe sees an owl in a tree and
it's being really harassed by a hawk, and there's this tension, you know,
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the owl and the hawk or there'sthis tension. And she's like,
oh, I can I know reiki? I can diffuse the tension, and
so she started doing so can youcan do reiki? Send raiki energy to
any number of things? So therewas like a conflict between this owl in
the full daylight and a hawk andshe and she said, as soon as
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I started sending the energy, thehawk looked right at me and flew right
up to me and landed in abranch and like gave her this glaring look
like basically like stay out of whatyou're like, you are not invited here,
don't you know, don't get involvedwith something you don't know anything about,
like, and she was like whoalike so she had to leave.
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So that's like a that's a simplestory. There's no UFOs in it,
but it does kind of tell thatit's still an energy you're being threatened by,
isn't it. Wow? Well,so this hawk basically flew up to
her and said, like, backoff, lady, Like this is between
me and the owl. Don't getinvolved. So oh okay. I remember
once going on a hike down inDevon and long hike all around, ups
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and downs in this sort of likewoods, and there on the floor actually
we are. We were running,Me and a friend of mine were running
and they're on the floor, youknow, like you would do with a
big, massive stick. There wasan illustration of the UFO and there was
something else. I don't remember whatthe something else is, but I do
have a photograph of it. Andwe both freaked out because she said,
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did I come down here early thismorning and and do that? I went
no. So it was like oneof those sort of you know, what
is that doing there? You know? And why was it there while we
were running? And she knew thatI was into all of this and that
experiences. Anyway, I think itwas just one of those things that you
find on a high isn't it?Someone had done? Right? Okay?
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So right with the messenger? Howdid it take you to put that together
then the Messenger because you've done twoversions of it? Was it? One
was your first version? Then youdid an update? Is that right?
So the book, this book,The Messengers was published. Richard Dolan originally
published the book in twy fifty,isn't it that way? I find myself
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in it twice because we said youwrote something else about when I was saying
about the energy of Oh yes,yes, the magnets, I used that
line all the time. Oh Ilove that thing about the magnets. We
can talk about that. But thebook came out in twenty fifteen, and
and so all it really did waswhen when I got the rights back to
it. Rich Basically rich Rich Dolanstarted doing like a like a podcast,
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pay for view YouTube member site,and and he didn't have any time to
deal with the books. It soundedlike given it was, it was a
hassle for him to try to Heloved like publishing the books, but the
actual act of sending the royalties outwas it wasn't as it was. It
was like a He needed like afull time accountant to do that and he
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didn't have that. So so hegave me the rights back for free,
which is unheard of in the inthe field of publishing. And then when
then I updated and it cleaned upa few stories, and I remember I
contacted you and there was like Ikind of undertold the story the first time,
and I added a few more detailsthe second time, and a few
stories are a few more details addedin it. But it's essentially the exact
same book. One yeah, butthis is and then the other I could
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send you a PDF. But andthen there was this follow up book,
which I don't have on the deskhere right, no, no, so,
but there's a follow up book.After I did the first book,
The Messengers, a second book cameout to years later, in twenty seventeen,
and that book was stories that didn'tfit in to the first book essentially
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okay, well as in what welllong format, stories that just were too
complicated to tells in the in thefirst book. The first book has got
oh my gosh, just depending onhow you parse it out, there's hundreds
of all stories in the first book. Yeah, and you would talk to
talk to someone on the phone,and you must be know what this is
like. You talk to someone onthe phone and hear their story, and
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then it's like take six seven hoursfrom to tell the story completely. And
then in the book. When Iwrote the first book, all I could
do is say, like, youknow, Joe saw an owl on a
fence. Yeah, oh yeah,And that's all I could say to make
my point. And then I thinkfor me, I went, I was
at the store, and I wasin the car car park, and I
was like, wow, it wasa little bit more complicated than that,
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but yeah, it was yeah,yeah, I see what you're saying.
So okay, So you obviously stillare getting emails from people all the time,
going to continuous on. Well,so if you take the so I've
did three Owl books and you stackthem one on top of each other,
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it's a thousand pages, almost tothe almost almost exactly a thousand pages,
a big thing. And if Ican't make my point that all's the UFOs
are connected in a thousand pages,not gonna do me any good, not
gonna good to write another book,Like, I got plenty of stories,
I got plenty of remarkable stories,and maybe I can put a little blog
post out every once in a whileor or but I like, it's not
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gonna it's essentially would be the samestory over and over again. Well,
it's like like in the messenger,you've got different formats that you've got,
Like from me, it was thewindscreen and the owl, so you've got
a different sort of subtitles, youknow, sort of subtexts. You should
do what present then it's doing,you know, a YouTube video and so
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YouTube channel with all about ours becauseit's just it would be remarkable, it
would be remarkable. Well, I'mI do podcasts all the time and such
like that, so I mean that'sall I yeah, so I could.
I mean, I uh, onething at a time. I'm working on
an audiobook for for a book rightnow, and that's like making me a
little little crazy because it's such hardwork. So I am not a gifted
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reader of text, that's right.Well, you know, until you find
your strength in doing it and overdoingit and keep doing it and keep doing
it. So you're going to dothe audiobooks for all of them, then
all of your book. So I'vedone two of the audiobooks. I hired
someone to do this one. Yeah. So there's three books that are out
or four books that are out now, three of them have audiobooks, and
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then the fiction book that just cameout in may. I'm working on the
audiobook for that right now. That'sthe Unseen, that's the unseene. I
think I thinks, Oh, look, Grace did it. We made them
Google? We we we we crackthe Google whip when you was there,
right, Okay, So we're goingto go on a bright quickly and then
we can come back and you cantalk about the Unseen novel. So we
will be back with Mike Cleeland,and we are going to go into a
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as before the break, we werestarting to talk about the Unseen your fiction
book, Please tell me more?Oh so, yeah, so in this
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is interesting. I'm just trying tothink so cstration your illustrations. Oh so,
so the book was initially I wasgoing to do a comic book.
I was going to do a graphicnovel, and I was I was all
on fire to do this graphic novel. And around twenty ten, which is
thirteen years ago, and I starteddoing some drawings and doing some illustrations and
did some sample pages and kind ofwrote a really tight outline of the story
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and wow, I was on Iwas so wooh, I was on fire
to do this. But I talkedto some people who worked in the comic
book industry, and they were like, I don't You don't want to do
this alone. You want to workwith a team. Don't do a big,
fat graphic novel all by yourself.And I realized, like after I
I realized, oh it's too muchwork. I'll never so I put it
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on a shelf, the treatment,And then after I did the third Owl
book, which was called Hidden Experience, I pulled the treatment. I just
was like, I can get todo something now want to Like I'm kind
of like, So I pulled thistreatment off and I read the treatment.
I hadn't read it for eight yearsor something. So you called it the
treatment, Well, the treatment thatwould be like what you would call that
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would be like what a publisher says, what's your idea for the book?
So it was like instead of insteadof three hundred and fifty pages, it
was fifteen pages, kind of quitea rough outline of the story, so
an outline of the story. Sothe outline was So I read it and
I was like, you know,this has got There's there's something to this.
So I tried tried working on it. Oh my god, I got
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I got like exactly nowhere. Ohit was the hardest thing. So and
then just like I would try towork on it, and I would back
off, and I'd try to workon it and so over over the pandemic
during COVID, I I was like, like, there's a point, like
when you're trying to cross the oceanright and the boat's gone too far and
then you can't so like I don'thave enough food to get back. It
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was kind of like that of like, if I don't finish this, So
I made myself finish it. Andthen I didn't know what to think.
And then somewhere along the way,I had some friends read some chapters and
they were like, you gotta.This is good. You gotta. So
I ended up doing it. Andso so the premise of the story is
I had been collecting all these ufoand owl ounce and I so when I
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when I talk to people, Ioften hear not quite the same story,
but a very similar story. SoI'll say, and I must have said
this a thousand times and typed ita thousand times, and emails I said,
I have never heard your story exactly, but I have heard many with
the same flavor and mood. Someonetells me a story like Wow, I
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can just tap into like the moodof the story and like, oh yeah,
this is this is one of thoseOwel stories. So with so I
tried to I tried to imbue thebook with that, with that flavor and
mood. So it's a kind ofa mystery thriller paranormal. And now I'm
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going to be very cautious saying this, like that there's a pop culture kind
of story, like a really fastpaced kind of story with spies and romance
and and and a mystery at thesurface level, but like below that,
like I almost hit and I wastrying to tell a deeper story, an
unseen story exactly, an unseen story. So yeah, it's but it's and
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it seems to me if you readthe reviews on Amazon, it's people get
it. Like I was really worried, like what am I doing, you
know, like I put this weirdbook out and and but people seem to
really like it. So that's beenreally heartening for me. I think I
said to you, make a greatI haven't read it yet, but what
I've taken from it from what Ihave read online and bit it makes an
amazing play. Amazing play screenplay.Oh a film. Yeah. You know
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what's funny because I when I talkabout it, I sometimes I say,
oh, and then in this partof the movie and then we missed,
make a mistake and call it afilm. Yeah. So as in,
so if you had two experiences whenyou were twelve and then one when you
were older, is that right?Yeah? And so the so the other
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one when I was twelve, Iwas walking home from a high school football
game in and I was It's Fridaynight, Michigan, twelve years old.
So it was like in this leaveit to Beaver neighborhood. So you're twelve
on both accounts, do you remember? So this is your second one.
So I'm not really sure which camefirst. I'm assumed the one I know
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happened in the fall because it wasfootball season, and so I'm assuming the
other one happened earlier that year.And I know that was nineteen seventy four
because of when the boy anyway,I just because it was it might have
been summer of nineteen seventy four.So in the autumn of nineteen seventy four,
walking home from my high school footballgame, and I'm with another friend.
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His name is Mike, and it'sonly half a mile to the football
field, and that's what everyone didon Friday night. All the kids would
go to the football field. AndI wanted to be now with the kids
always by the sounds of it faroh yeah, so I would. So
coming home, I in the neighborhoodlike this, my memory is the sky
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brunch and then went right back tonight time because it went again. It
always goes when you're right. Ohokay, So the nighttime sky. Yeah,
regular beautiful autumn night, calm,warm, but just for one second
it went click, turned bright orange. Everything turned orange and then went click,
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right back to the nighttime sky.The whole sky. It wasn't like
a little dot somewhere, It wasthe whole sky. That's my memory.
And uh and I was like,wow, that was weird. And both
him and I were like, whatjust happened? And we tried to say,
like, you know, it wasthere an explosion, was it lightning?
Was it? You know? Nothingmade sense and it didn't make any
noise. And then when I gothome to my house, so my friend
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lived a little further in the neighborhood, he was going to walk a few
more blocks and I was done,So I just walked into my house and
my mom and dad were waiting forme. They were like, why are
you home so late? Why areyou homes why where have you been?
And I was like, I toldyou i'd be home at nine thirty.
I'm right on time. I knewright when I left the football game a
short walk and they looked point ofthe clock and said, it's eleven thirty.
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Oh, and it says roughly twohours hard to know, but roughly
two hours of missing time. AndI was like, there was that was
way before Bud Hopkins and the termmissing time entered our vocabulary. So I
was I was just baffled that myparents were angry at me because I felt
I felt like, no, no, no, I left the football game
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at the right time to be home. So so yeah, there's a So
the next Monday morning, at schoolat the elementary school I've been in junior
high school, I was with Mikeand some other kids and I said,
hey, you know something weird happenedFriday night And my friend Mike said,
yeah, we saw UFO with lightsand everything. And I was like,
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what I never saw UFO? Like, is he lying? Did? I?
So? My since and I've sincegotten back to him. He doesn't
remember it at all, but heremembers that I got in trouble that night.
I was going to ask you,actually, what you know if you
still keep in contact with him,if he has any other experiences? Has
he had any other experiences? Notthat I know of. And then my
Kenny, Kenny, this is anotherfunny thing. Kenny said, I don't
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remember that at all, but hetold his mother. This is this was
probably ten years ago. I wasin touch with them, and he told
his mother, and his mother said, I remember that night you came downstairs
and you said you saw ufhone youdrew it at the kitchen table. Yeah,
it's very it's very easy to forgeta ufor experience, as crazy as
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that sounds, if you remember it. If you're saying it's something like Kenny's
telling his mom, and his mumwill clock it because you know, it's
an unusual thing to say. Possibly, But I've forgotten before. And it
wasn't until i'd had my really bigencounter in Los Angeles that I got in
contact with the guy that I wasliving Billy, that i'd had a UF
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experience with. And I said tohis mum, you know, i'd had
a big experience out in Los Angeles, Brentwood. She said, well,
don't you remember the time when youand Billy had the UFO encounter? And
I went and you were staying atthat hotel and I went, oh my
god, And I just couldn't believe. But I remembered it for I think
for a bit afterwards, but thenit just totally went until she triggered my
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memory again. Yeah, it's quitebadly. I think it's very common.
Yeah, well yes it is,as we know that, you know,
you hear all these things. Soyou know when you said that you were
researching to look into writing a bookon the owl and the UFO experiences,
just out of interest? What bookswere you looking at? Who were you?
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Who are you looking for? Communion? Oh? Was it communion?
Yew? Wow, it's right therein communion. So that would be the
and then it's Whitley Struverer wrote aboutan owl. That so his initial event
which changed the world. Right,That book was enormously Communion was enormously popular.
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I think it was published in nineteeneighty seven. The event happened on
Christmas, the night of Christmas Day, right, so twenty fifth not Christmas
Eve, the night of Christmas Day, and then he woke up the next
morning, and so he had theHe had what we call what you know,
like the events on the ship andon the table and all the But
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he told us when he when hehad articulated, he told his wife,
he said, I think there wasa there was an owl on the window
sill looking in the window, lookingin at us in the bedroom. And
this was in upstate New York inthe wintertime, obviously Christmas time. So
they went to the window and theowl where they owl should have stood on
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the window sill. There was snowthat had been there for a few days,
but there were no markings in thesnow. So with alt stood there
there should have been foot prints.So when he saw there was no footprints,
he was like, WHOA, somethingelse happened. But that was that
was his memory of a barn owllooking in the window at him. And
then his other books, I thinkit's called Breakthrough and Transformation. And then
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there's another book called the Communion Letters. I got all of those and I
searched those out, and I foundevery owl reference in those three books.
There's other books about Hopkins book NotMissing Time, doesn't have any owls in
it. But I think Sight Unseenhas owls in it. Yeah, I
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think it, Yeah it does.Actually, yeah that one I got the
young correct proof. But yeah,yeah, that one, it has got
owls in it. Okay with CarolRainey as well. Yeah so so.
But but it was funny, soso Whitley Streeber wrote it would be a
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paragraph here and a paragraph here,And I collected all those paragraphs and put
them together, and and he exactlyhe's a beautiful writer, but he exactly
captures the kind of mystery of theowl is how it's is, how it's
how it shows up in them,in the in the reports. It's funny
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because prior to this I sent youI don't know if you saw it or
messenger. I was looking to somethingup on an owl and this wicker basket
came up like a laundry basket,and I looked at it and I thought,
whoa, that just looks like theface of eat. So if you
look, I've got I've got toEAT's in here. I've got a ceramics.
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Oh yeah, you have the otherone. But if you look at
it, the shape of the face, the eyes as us with glasses looking
like owl, right, but youknow, uh, and I just thought,
oh my god, I did kindof get it because of sleeves of
the dark eyes and the shapes areslightly different. But it was really bizarre
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when I showed you that, wellyou're left. It was just there was
a half hour before that. Ijust I had never sort of like put
it together, three together ship.It's identical symmetry between it of like if
you had to draw it was like, what's an owl on that bday?
Yeah? This is this has beenmy life, that connection. Yeah,
like seeing this over and over andover in every conceivable strange. To me
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it's usually a craft and then ora massive orb, not a not a
being as such. So but forother people I know that it is.
I you know, we're talking withme. So I remind me again what
I said to you about the magnet, because I I didn't realize until I
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went through messenger and that you wrotesomething else up because I was trying to
describe the energy that you get whenyou're like when you're having an experience.
I can do it right now andyou can just feel it. It's that
sort of repelling but it's that energythat you're sort of trapped into So it
was very So why you're explaining itas that to other people? So I
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for your experience, wasn't it?So when I was thirty, which is
half my lifetime, is your otherexperience? This is my experience when I
was thirty. Well, I've hadlots of other experiences, but they started
coming fast and furious at some point. But when I was thirty, of
black Bill. So when I wasthirty, I was living alone in a
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house in Maine, and it waswintertime. It would have been the January
or February of nineteen ninety three,so that's the year that I had my
experience. In my experience, Februaryand nicey three, wow, February ninety
three. Okay, Yeah. SoI was lying in bed and I and
there was a break light shining throughthe window, break break light. And
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I sat up in bed and lookedout the window, and there was five
alien beings cray beings with the skinnybodies and the bald head and the big
black eyes, walking towards the house. And they were back lit by this
bright thing in the yard. Andthe bright thing was not very big.
No, No, I was onthe ground floor. I was on the
ground floor, ground floor, wintertime, right light illuminating the snow five beings.
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They weren't far away. They werelike right out the window, like
if they had to come in thehouse, they would have they would have
just I mean the front door wasjust like they were just around the corner.
But they were like right there.It wasn't like I was some little
dots off in the distance on theywere like it was clear any they were
just about to go around the cornerof the house. And so they're walking
towards the house, their back litby this light. The light isn't very
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big. It's like the size oflike a washing machine or something. Okay,
so well as a as a shape. It just was a ball of
light as far as I remember.And and then I don't know how long
I looked at it, not verylong. And I heard a voice in
my head that said, oh,yes, they're here. Now is the
time to put your head on thepillow and shut down. And I just
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I should have been terrified. Ishould have jumped up, I should have
locked the doors. I didn't doany of that, So I I this
event was was overlapped with this feelingof it was dream like. Like the
next morning, I just dismissed itas a dream. I never even bothered
to go out and look. Itwas absurd, right, why would I
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go out to look and see ifthere are footprints in the snow. Well,
it's a bit like what you justsaid to me about Whitley and yow
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there'sno foot I never looked, though.
I Whitley at least went and lookedat the window sill. I never even
went out and looked. So sothe there was a feeling. It was
weirdly quiet, like the brain chatterin my like my normal thought, my
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brain chatter was like turned off,Like I was sort of blank and kind
of void of emotion. Everything washyper clear. And I've since had that
experience a few more times, thatfeeling. So I went to a UFO
conference and what was going to UFOconferences? And early on I was talking
to people on the phone all thetime, and I would always ask,
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you know, like if you everhad this experience of like a distorted time
or distorted reality. And people wouldsay, oh, yeah, I had
this feeling, and they would kindof talk about it, and then it's
really hard to explain. And whenI met you in England, I asked
you the same question, have youever had this feeling? And you said,
oh, would the event in LosAngeles? You said, you know
how I wouldn't. Take two magnets, like you push them together in one
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way and they click and they stick. But you pull them apart and turn
one of them ninety degrees and tryto push them, they no longer stick.
They repel, and there's like youhold the magnets, there's nothing to
see, Like you look between,there's nothing to see, but there is
a helpable, weird kind of warblingenergy that you can feel in between those
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magnets. And you said being Ican't remember how you said it, but
my memory is you said, likebeing that close to the event, being
within the event was like being betweenthose two magnets. And when you said
that, I was like, thatis exactly how to describe it. Like
I knew you, I like knewyour event was one thousand percent real and
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I could tap into it so stronglybecause I had that that knowing of that
magnet sensation. Yeah, I meanthat wasn't just on the you know,
like you just said it. Youknow, it's happened a few times.
That wasn't just the la one,you know, It's happened that quite a
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few times. As he said,I have got goosebumps as you say that,
I've got such a bitch win youcan't feel it. But yeah,
no, yeah, And and doyou remember me saying to you last week
with my mess up everybody apologies everybody. I got the hour difference wrong.
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I was silly. I thought wewent I thought everyone went back, but
no, just England went back.We have since gone. Yeah, yeah,
they've ever the fifty went back yet. So I got it on.
So that's why you've come back againthis week for me. But yeah,
no, it was very very strange, very very strange that that. Yeah,
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when you get that feeling. ButI did explain to you when I
had that light outside my bedroom windowlast year, that was a buzz.
That was a vibration as well,not like not like that that. I
mean, you can you can justlive it again with your eyes closed,
feeling totally that feeling. Once you'vehad that feeling, that just doesn't go
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at all, and it and itdoes come along with the other experiences,
well yeah, for experiences. Yeah, so yeah, that was in chance,
isn't it, Because it's just sucha flutter of different things, experiences
that you have as an experience.It's not just just seeing a craft.
It's all of the other ship thatyou got to put up with that you
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have to go through in your head, haven't you. Yeah, So that's
that's what I'm doing. Like I'mdoing the as I said before, I'm
just pulling on the owl string.And you know, I talk to people
all the time, and I'm nottalking to a wide range of experiences.
I'm talking to a very narrow rangeof experiences. And you know, like
I never I guess I have,but I never hear the story of like,
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oh, you know, the lyingsauce or lander on the road and
took us out of our car andthen we were lying on a table,
Like I mean, I've heard that. It's certainly part of times. Oh
yeah. But what I'm hearing isthe people I'm talking with are basically saying,
I had the weirdest synchronicity, yeah, or I had this thing happened
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in normal waking consciousness, like somecoincidence that's beyond coincidence, that's totally felt
staged or shared dreams or and that'swhat I'm hearing. That's the bulk of
what people are sharing with me,those kinds of weird dreamlike where reality plays
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out like a dream. Yeah,you're right. It was the synchronicity of
the Prince scanner that I just saidin a minute. Literally not even I'd
gone to look by a Prince scanneron a Sunday late in the day.
All of the shops closed at fouro'clock. I got there probably about three
caught past three, just went tolook around. It was quite a few
people there. The shop assistance werebusy talking to everyone else. I'm like,
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looking, I'm not into technology.Race can definitely tell you that,
and they were all busy. AmI just well, I just need a
printer scanner. That's all I need. That's all I need. And then
I thought to myself, Okay,you know what, they're all busy.
I'm just going to go went backto the car park lot. I had
a Grand Voyager here in England,and there next to my wheel on the
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on the next to my wheel wasa printer scanner, not in a box,
just there and I just looked.I just looked around the car park
lot and I was like, well, there's not many cars here. No
one heard me talk. I didn'tverbally talk to anyone unless telepathically. People
were listening. And I just thought, what I swear? What should I
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do with it? What shall Ido? What should do? And I
looked around and I thought, youknow what, I can do one or
two things. I can pick itup put it in the car, or
I can leave it that will actuallymove it and put it out the way.
So I thought, you know what, I'm going to pick it up.
I picked it up, put itin the car, and I just
couldn't believe it. I just couldnot believe it, like you're saying it's
a stage thing. And then Istart on the journey home down the country
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road round the backs of a placecalled beer Allston, where I've had UFO
experiences before. I've had two UFOexperiences, one with a light coming down
over the trees, and then Igot out of the car and watched it
go overfield and then down a field, and then another one with these lights
with another witness. My boss isa witness too. But anyway, and
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Matt is where I heard in myhead going through this, and I'll keep
looking at the print of scanner andthis is just unreal. Is that it
right there? Oh you're you're thinkingyou're looking at it? Yeah, no,
no, yeah, I'm looking atwhile I'm driving, thinking this is
unreal. And then in my headI'm going through a conversation. I had
the two experiences the night before.One of them is Susan Chancellor, and
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I remember her saying is well,it's like I can see you. And
then all of a sudden, Iwas like, just turn around the corner.
Boom, this owl now got goosebump, just bounced into my windscreen
and I was like, no,I was so concerned. And it was
dark. I was so concerned aboutthe owl, so I sort of pulled
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over. I could see where thevery tall grass. I couldn't see any
movement in the grass. I wasn'tgoing to get out. I was in
the middle of nowhere, down acountry lane. It was dark. I
mean it was on a Sunday,it would have been wintertime dark. I
wasn't going to get out of thecart and I just couldn't see anything,
couldn't see any movement, and Ijust thought, Okay, I'm just going
to go home. Went home toa place that I was having lots of
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strange experiences with orbs outside the house. My son had seen it and it
would stay there for us and watch, you know, call him down.
And when he was watching it andI said, I said to him,
my son's called a Ryan. Isaid, Ryan, look what I got.
And he just said to me,it was like out of polter Geist.
He said, that is not comingin the house. And because obviously,
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you know, carry Anne wasn't allowedthe TV in the house at the
last the last scene of Poulter guystbut it was like that. It was
the most strangest thing, right Litten. I'm going to have you back as
well. I've been told that we'vegot to go. It is a rap,
as he says. Next week,I actually got someone in because it's
another the same as synchronicity. Ihave a Mike Patterson in from Ontario,
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Canada, sasquatch, because that isanother huge realm to the owls, the
synchronicity and the UFOs, and heI've got to know through other experiences with
him. So thank you, Mikevery much. I am going to have
you back on and thank you forbeing a friend for so long. I
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like, yeah, all right,guys, so thank you for the Naked
Truth, thank you for Mike Cleland, and we will be back next week
with Mike Patterson from Ontario, Canada. Sasquatch my god, oh my god,
that is going to be another story. Take it easy. Here from
England that night, no no,
Hi Line, Welcome to The NakedTruth and now your host Harian Richard bar
Clay. Hi there, guys,so again, good morning America, end
of early morning in England. Welcometo the on Next radio podcast. I'm
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your host Bridget Barclay here from Englandand welcome to the Naked Truth. Well
tonight we have another good friend ofmine, Mike Cleland. He is my
guest. He is an author offiction and non fiction and a fascinating book
in regarding to our synchronicities and UFOs, and that's how we got in contact
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with each other, and he placedme in his book The Messenger, which
we'll go through shortly. So welcomeMike, thank you, Hello you There
he is there. He's not perchedon a perched in a tree or anything
like that. Yeah, I meanI can with this spot clause. Let's
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do this. There we go.Are you okay? I'm good. From
the other side of the pond fromI'm almost to the Pacific. The Pacific
Oceans about a five minute walk fromwhere I'm sitting here. It's part of
the Pacific Ocean. It's kind ofInland Bay, but so yeah, a
whole ocean and a whole continent furtheraway. Yeah, oh yeah, definitely
(01:40):
still call either way gray and rainyhere. Yeah, so we've got English
weather where I live now. Ilive. I live near Seattle, so
we can commiserate about the weather.I think it's been hailing here today.
It's been really bad, but it'sit's quite nice for this stuck inside doing
a field tea things. So Mike, Welcome to Mike. Thank you,
thank you very much, and thankyou. So we go back to twenty
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fourteen. I do believe when youhad come over here to stay in England.
Yeah, and we'd yeah, wehad talked at length on the phone
or whatever version of the phone wewere using back then, skape or something,
and a lot before that, tryingto trying to hammer out some of
the details of your experiences. Yeah. Now, because obviously I didn't know
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that owls and UFOs go together.And you know, that's how I got
in contact with you, because itwas with other two other experiences. The
my synchronicity was, and the thingis with synchronicities, it's such strange synchronicities
and then then boom, then you'vegot an owl on top of everything else.
And I just didn't understand any ofthat. So that's where I came
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to you. So tell me howyou got into because it's experiences with your
own experience, isn't it you firsthand experience in research. That's why you
wrote the books. That was myinitially. Yeah, I had been reading
UFO literature, turning the clock backto around two thousand and six, fifteen,
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sixteen, seventeen years ago. Yikes, seventeen eighteen years ago. Now,
yaya, yikes. And so Ihad been been been reading somewhat obsessively
about the UFO experience. So Iwas well aware that there was owls that
occasionally got reported in the context ofUFO events, most often in the form
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of a screen memory. And Ihad an experience camping with a friend and
we saw a bunch of owls andwow, was it heavy handed and trippy
and unusual, like powerfully strange,Like it was three owls on one night.
And then we went with this waswell camping, And then right when
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she brought up the topic of oddthese owls appeared. And then four days
later we went camping in a differentpart of the mountains I was at the
time, I was living in rightnext to Granteton National Park. And so
four days later we went camping intoa totally different part of the world or
excuse me, a different part ofthe park there, and three owls at
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sunset, almost the same thing,a different place with the same person.
So after that, so when Isaw those owls. The woman's name was
Kristen that I was camping with.When I saw those owls two times,
three owls four days apart, Ididn't really say this at the time.
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I say it now, but Iwasn't saying it at the time. Looking
at real owls, I heard avoice in my head that very clearly said,
it's something to do with the UFOs. And I don't know if it
was my own internal voice, whetherit was some sort of but it was
a really strong kind of like,oh, sort of sort of well a
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message, I guess is easy wayto see it as anything. So I
say say what it said again,because you slightly went go forget me.
Okay, it's the voice in myhead said this has something to do with
the UFOs. I was looking atreal owls. Voice in my head said
this has something to do with UFOs. So I started I started looking up
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the mythology of owls and the totemmeaning of owls and the spiritual meaning of
owls. At the same time,I started to look at their connection with
UFOs. And at the same time, I started looking into my own experiences,
which I had not looked at,like I was like pushing those away.
I didn't want to deal with thoseexperiences UFO experiences in my youth.
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And so at the time I wouldhave been about forty four, forty three,
forty four, and the UFO experienceshad been in Two of them happened
when I was twelve years old,and then one of them happened when I
was thirty and I managed to justlike deny put them in the just not
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I wasn't going to deal with theseat all. These these events were they
were they close encounters? They sureseem to be, yeah, though I
was not. I was like,oh, that's a dream. Owned doesn't
mean anything. I'm not going togo there. So and then so after
I started looking at not only didI look into the sort of spiritual mythic
meaning of owls, I looked intomy own started looking into my own UFO
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contact experiences because you know, sorry, oh yeah, so keep going Yeah,
no, no, because I meanthere is there is, There is
good and bad withows, isn't there. So you've got like the Hindus see
it as a bad luck and adeath. But then also you've got like
the wisdom, intuition, knowledge,you know, the messenger, truth,
patients, you know. So soin a few scenarios, it can it
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can mean different things to religions.Content, yes, But so what happened
was so very early on there.I had a blog at the time.
I started a blog in two thousandand nine, and one of the very
first stories I put on the blogwas was the story of camping with Kristen
and seeing those owls. So veryearly on, I started writing about owls
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in my own personal experiences and alsoin the context of the UFO contact experience.
And I started getting people sending me. They were sending me their stories,
and right at the top of myon the top of my blog,
I put, I want to hearyour owl story you still have on your
Oh yeah, it's on my rightpage. It's right at the very top.
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Yeah. And so I've been collectingowl stories. So if anyone anywhere
in the world google's UFOs owls,my name is going to come up.
And then about the next twenty namesbelow that are the listings below that are
going to be me. So Ivery quickly became known sort of as the
owl guy, and very and andstarted collecting these stories. So so the
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lore, the folk lore can bepretty dark and as a harbinger of doom
or a or or a sign ofan impending death in Shakespeare, in in
Julius Caesar as well as in Macbeth. Uh they there there's a fatalic deaths
of the characters are predicted by thehooting of an owl. And and so
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it's like it's it's all over theplace in in the lore. But that's
not what I'm finding. The storiesthat I'm collecting are curiously I don't want
to say positive, but i'll saybenign. Well. And then but there's
like there's a there's a hopeful sentimentwhen you look at all of the stories
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collectively, right, so that likethat it's the there's some small amount of
the stories are pretty dark, buta large amount of the stories seem to
have to do with like spiritual awakening, which I did not expect when I
started doing the research. Another onetoday, you know, my encounter happened
on a road that I've had afew UFO experiences on in just outside hav
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to Stock a place called beer Also, as I wrote, so it happened
on the same road that I'd hada UFO experience on. But today I
just, you know, put itinto Google, and I said, I
found in the sentence it says,what does it mean if an owl flies
onto your car? Into your car? Into your car? Yeah, And
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it says another potential reason for owlsflying into the car that they may be
trying to defend themselves from perceived threats. If an owl feels threatened by a
car's headlights or loud engine noise,it may try to defend itself by flying
directly at the car an attempt toscare it away. Whatever it as a
threat, I've never read that qumy. In my experience, it wasn't
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a threat. It was just thesynchronicity between two other x UFO experiences and
the high strangeness that went with it. But yeah, like I said,
you know, for a massive hourafter you know it's in the book,
in your book, chapter five,for it to bounce straight into my windscreen
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after I heard very similar to yourself. I can see you and that was
related at the same time as someonethese experiences were tapping. I can see
you because we looked back at timesand synchronicities and it was but I mean
it was. Yeah, there's ahuge story behind that, but yeah,
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it is. I did see.It's a I don't know, I don't
know. It was quite spiritual becauseit is a beautiful bird. But to
have it to go with the UFOexperience and on the same road I've had
UFO experiences, yeah, yeah,And your story also is intertwined with a
very strange like almost synchronicity, isnot there even the right word, like
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almost that that printer scanner that appearedin the parking lot. Yeah yeah,
I just you know, you justcan't make these things up. You know.
This isn't about me. This today, this is about you telling me
all of your experiences. But it'sthere in detail, not too much detail
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in your book. But it wasremarkable, but it was it was like
a miracle that happened. And thenthe UFO the our experience. So yes,
yes, but so with all ofthe other experiences that people have come
to you have they told you ofthe high strangeness and then they've had that
our experiences as well, then absolutely, yeah, absolutely, that's actually the
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really well way. The meaning that'syou could so that you could, that's
I can't answer the meaning I wishI could. I tried, I can,
but but the so I mean thetotal I'm stretching my arms out so
you can't. My hands are offthe screen there. But if you,
oh, the UFO literature, inthe UFO research community, in the in
the in the data pool that isconnected with UFOs is enormous. It's it's
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so deep and and the but I'mnot looking at that big giant pool.
I'm not looking at the big totality. You know, there's like you know,
government conspiracies, and then there's kindof people channeling, and then there's
you know, nuts and bolts,burn marks in the ground. I'm not
looking. I'm looking at this thinlittle thread and I'm I'm the stories are
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coming to me. I don't haveto reach out for many stories. The
stories are coming. I'm pulling onthis little thin thread that is the UFO
and OWL connection. And within thatlittle sliver of the great, big giant
picture of the great big pool,there is a that's where the the the
high strangeness, the sort of mysticalaspect of it. So the stories that
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I'm collecting are very strange, andthey have a powerful mystical, a powerful
mystical I would say that was severe. So I would say that was a
severe high strangeness that I had withthe Owl and the Prince of Scanner.
It was severe. Yea, yeah, on the rector scale of high strangeness.
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It was just like But but that'sconsistent with what I'm finding in the
in the the Owl and UFO stories. So so what I'm so, what
I'm saying is you are not alonein the overlapping weirdness that that seems to
follow this. Now, other reportsand other things, it's very commonly reported
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that people will have synchronicities in connectionto UFO contact. But but for some
reason, this what I'm the threadthat I'm pulling on is just rich with
these symbolic and mythic stories. Okay, So can we go back to when
you were twelve a you UFO experiences? Okay, So when I was twelve
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years old, I was I wasgrew up in Michigan, and so one
of the events took place where Iwas at a friend's sleepover. His name
is Kenny, and it was justit wasn't quite in the same neighborhood he
was. He had knew him fromelementary school. He moved to a different
town. But I was in hishouse and there was a it was nighttime,
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and he had a bunch of brothersand sisters, and so the house
was crowded with kids, and itwas a Friday, and it was a
weekend, so everyone was up butlooking out the window from his bedroom with
as I recall, the lights wereoff in the bedroom and look at and
we both went, what is that? And we went right up against the
glass and there was something in thenighttime sky that was like a s cylinder
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rotating at a very odd angle.And and my sense was it was close
and not very big, maybe thesize of a vanka. But and we
watched it for not too long,and it was twirling in this very smooth,
eerie way, and then it justwent. It was gone. And
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we both ran downstairs and we hadbecause I was drawing as a little kid,
and we both ran downstairs and wedrew it, and I remember I
still have the image. And wedrew it that night. Yeah, Oh
wow, I should have asked tosee that. Oh, it's in the
books. Yeah, it's on mywebsite and things like that. Yeah,
so the image isn't that interesting.It doesn't look like much, but it's
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it's just it looks like a coffeecan in the night sky with some lights
on it. Actually it would bea coffee can with a pencil sticking out
the top. So well, becauseyou're an absolutely amazing illustrator, so of
your own books, of so yourbackground, what was your background within obviously
started very young illustrating, So whatgot you what continued did you go off
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into Oh? Yeah, I livedin New York City and worked for ed
agencies in the film industry doing illustrationwork and in the eighties a long time
ago, and then I moved outWest and started doing book illustration in the
nineties. Very and very black andwhite, isn't it. So it's like
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you know that, Yeah, fine, sometimes fine lines, So a lot
of the work is fine line illustration. I did a lot of instructional books
for camping and skiing and rock climbingand such, so being an outdoor person,
thankfully, So would you say theydid you go into writing those books
because of your outdoor skills and thenyou put your illustrations together. Well,
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it was I was uniquely positioned todo the ill It was funny because I
would do these books on like skiinstruction and in camping techniques and such like
that, and those are very easyfor me because I ski in camp And
then people would call me up andsay, can you do a book on
canoeing And I was like, nope, I don't know anything about canoeing.
Or they would say, oh,I want can you do a book about
golf? Like I'm like, noway, I'm not that I don't know
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anything about golf, and they said, I'll just explain everything to you.
And it's like, not like theoh that's the thought of someone trying to
explain how to hold a golf cluband then drawing it and then being the
resource where I could. I wasvery comfortable doing that with like you know,
how to hold your ski phole,but not yeah, hey, I
was so I turned anyway. SoI was very very singular and not taking
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on work that I that I wasn'tintimately connected with. Lots of coffee shops
I saw as well. Oh,and then there was this I used to
carry a sketchbook around. Yeah,its funny. I just put some stuff
on a on a website and Iuh, and it's all the work I
did. The stuff that I'm mostproud of and most sort of lights a
little fire in my heart is thesketchbook stuff, which just doesn't know,
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nobody hired me to do the sketchbookstuff. It's like it's sort of like
playing the banjo on the porch.As far as like the illustration, I
did send some images to Race,so if Race came here, he can
put the illustrations up. But he'soh, I did that for your kids.
I did that for your kid.It's June twenty fourteenth, right,
yeah, and fourteenth. Literally atthe table, you know, it was
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like I think I'd cooked breakfast andthat that happened within like an hour an
hour and a half, Like,oh, I'm sure it was probably quicker
than an hour and a half.Yeah, I know, but I think
we were having breakfast as well atthe same time. But it was just
like how amazing, and as wellit was like, wow, oh,
I did it for your daughter.You did yessica? Yeah he did.
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Yeah, she loved it. Andthen and then my ginger cat at the
top was Griffin on the top ofthe elephant's head. So that was so
sweet, Right, Can I askthem it's owls, not just a nighttime
occurrence, any any good our experiencesthroughout the day? Let me think,
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Yeah, I'm sure I could comeup with some. You're you're catching me
off a little, so so letme think during the day. This is
the problem. You get hundreds ofstories and and some of them are very
long. Yeah, so okay,well we'll go back to that. Well,
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so here, here's a quick one. Here's a quick one. So
so this is this is this isone I haven't never told before on and
it's kind of funny and there's noUFOs in it, but it does.
It is kind of like telling ofthe of the So a woman just got
her reiki attunement, just to Rekilevel three. So she's a certified reiki
healer and reiki is a form ofhands on energy healing. So she is
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really happy and she's like, ohmy goodness, it's such a nice day.
I'm gonna go walk on the trails. So she walks in the trail
in the woods and she finds aside trail she's ever noticed before. I've
never seen this trail. I hikethis trail all the time. There's a
little side trail coming off and I'venever seen before. She goes in the
side trail and there's a and thenshe sees an owl in a tree and
it's being really harassed by a hawk, and there's this tension, you know,
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the owl and the hawk or there'sthis tension. And she's like,
oh, I can I know reiki? I can diffuse the tension, and
so she started doing so can youcan do reiki? Send raiki energy to
any number of things? So therewas like a conflict between this owl in
the full daylight and a hawk andshe and she said, as soon as
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I started sending the energy, thehawk looked right at me and flew right
up to me and landed in abranch and like gave her this glaring look
like basically like stay out of whatyou're like, you are not invited here,
don't you know, don't get involvedwith something you don't know anything about,
like, and she was like whoalike so she had to leave.
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So that's like a that's a simplestory. There's no UFOs in it,
but it does kind of tell thatit's still an energy you're being threatened by,
isn't it. Wow? Well,so this hawk basically flew up to
her and said, like, backoff, lady, Like this is between
me and the owl. Don't getinvolved. So oh okay. I remember
once going on a hike down inDevon and long hike all around, ups
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and downs in this sort of likewoods, and there on the floor actually
we are. We were running,Me and a friend of mine were running
and they're on the floor, youknow, like you would do with a
big, massive stick. There wasan illustration of the UFO and there was
something else. I don't remember whatthe something else is, but I do
have a photograph of it. Andwe both freaked out because she said,
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did I come down here early thismorning and and do that? I went
no. So it was like oneof those sort of you know, what
is that doing there? You know? And why was it there while we
were running? And she knew thatI was into all of this and that
experiences. Anyway, I think itwas just one of those things that you
find on a high isn't it?Someone had done? Right? Okay?
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So right with the messenger? Howdid it take you to put that together
then the Messenger because you've done twoversions of it? Was it? One
was your first version? Then youdid an update? Is that right?
So the book, this book,The Messengers was published. Richard Dolan originally
published the book in twy fifty,isn't it that way? I find myself
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in it twice because we said youwrote something else about when I was saying
about the energy of Oh yes,yes, the magnets, I used that
line all the time. Oh Ilove that thing about the magnets. We
can talk about that. But thebook came out in twenty fifteen, and
and so all it really did waswhen when I got the rights back to
it. Rich Basically rich Rich Dolanstarted doing like a like a podcast,
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pay for view YouTube member site,and and he didn't have any time to
deal with the books. It soundedlike given it was, it was a
hassle for him to try to Heloved like publishing the books, but the
actual act of sending the royalties outwas it wasn't as it was. It
was like a He needed like afull time accountant to do that and he
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didn't have that. So so hegave me the rights back for free,
which is unheard of in the inthe field of publishing. And then when
then I updated and it cleaned upa few stories, and I remember I
contacted you and there was like Ikind of undertold the story the first time,
and I added a few more detailsthe second time, and a few
stories are a few more details addedin it. But it's essentially the exact
same book. One yeah, butthis is and then the other I could
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send you a PDF. But andthen there was this follow up book,
which I don't have on the deskhere right, no, no, so,
but there's a follow up book.After I did the first book,
The Messengers, a second book cameout to years later, in twenty seventeen,
and that book was stories that didn'tfit in to the first book essentially
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okay, well as in what welllong format, stories that just were too
complicated to tells in the in thefirst book. The first book has got
oh my gosh, just depending onhow you parse it out, there's hundreds
of all stories in the first book. Yeah, and you would talk to
talk to someone on the phone,and you must be know what this is
like. You talk to someone onthe phone and hear their story, and
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then it's like take six seven hoursfrom to tell the story completely. And
then in the book. When Iwrote the first book, all I could
do is say, like, youknow, Joe saw an owl on a
fence. Yeah, oh yeah,And that's all I could say to make
my point. And then I thinkfor me, I went, I was
at the store, and I wasin the car car park, and I
was like, wow, it wasa little bit more complicated than that,
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but yeah, it was yeah,yeah, I see what you're saying.
So okay, So you obviously stillare getting emails from people all the time,
going to continuous on. Well,so if you take the so I've
did three Owl books and you stackthem one on top of each other,
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it's a thousand pages, almost tothe almost almost exactly a thousand pages,
a big thing. And if Ican't make my point that all's the UFOs
are connected in a thousand pages,not gonna do me any good, not
gonna good to write another book,Like, I got plenty of stories,
I got plenty of remarkable stories,and maybe I can put a little blog
post out every once in a whileor or but I like, it's not
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gonna it's essentially would be the samestory over and over again. Well,
it's like like in the messenger,you've got different formats that you've got,
Like from me, it was thewindscreen and the owl, so you've got
a different sort of subtitles, youknow, sort of subtexts. You should
do what present then it's doing,you know, a YouTube video and so
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YouTube channel with all about ours becauseit's just it would be remarkable, it
would be remarkable. Well, I'mI do podcasts all the time and such
like that, so I mean that'sall I yeah, so I could.
I mean, I uh, onething at a time. I'm working on
an audiobook for for a book rightnow, and that's like making me a
little little crazy because it's such hardwork. So I am not a gifted
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reader of text, that's right.Well, you know, until you find
your strength in doing it and overdoingit and keep doing it and keep doing
it. So you're going to dothe audiobooks for all of them, then
all of your book. So I'vedone two of the audiobooks. I hired
someone to do this one. Yeah. So there's three books that are out
or four books that are out now, three of them have audiobooks, and
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then the fiction book that just cameout in may. I'm working on the
audiobook for that right now. That'sthe Unseen, that's the unseene. I
think I thinks, Oh, look, Grace did it. We made them
Google? We we we we crackthe Google whip when you was there,
right, Okay, So we're goingto go on a bright quickly and then
we can come back and you cantalk about the Unseen novel. So we
will be back with Mike Cleeland,and we are going to go into a
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welcome back to the unex Radio podcast. Myself Bridget Barclay and along with
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as before the break, we werestarting to talk about the Unseen your fiction
book, Please tell me more?Oh so, yeah, so in this
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is interesting. I'm just trying tothink so cstration your illustrations. Oh so,
so the book was initially I wasgoing to do a comic book.
I was going to do a graphicnovel, and I was I was all
on fire to do this graphic novel. And around twenty ten, which is
thirteen years ago, and I starteddoing some drawings and doing some illustrations and
did some sample pages and kind ofwrote a really tight outline of the story
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and wow, I was on Iwas so wooh, I was on fire
to do this. But I talkedto some people who worked in the comic
book industry, and they were like, I don't You don't want to do
this alone. You want to workwith a team. Don't do a big,
fat graphic novel all by yourself.And I realized, like after I
I realized, oh it's too muchwork. I'll never so I put it
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on a shelf, the treatment,And then after I did the third Owl
book, which was called Hidden Experience, I pulled the treatment. I just
was like, I can get todo something now want to Like I'm kind
of like, So I pulled thistreatment off and I read the treatment.
I hadn't read it for eight yearsor something. So you called it the
treatment, Well, the treatment thatwould be like what you would call that
(30:56):
would be like what a publisher says, what's your idea for the book?
So it was like instead of insteadof three hundred and fifty pages, it
was fifteen pages, kind of quitea rough outline of the story, so
an outline of the story. Sothe outline was So I read it and
I was like, you know,this has got There's there's something to this.
So I tried tried working on it. Oh my god, I got
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I got like exactly nowhere. Ohit was the hardest thing. So and
then just like I would try towork on it, and I would back
off, and I'd try to workon it and so over over the pandemic
during COVID, I I was like, like, there's a point, like
when you're trying to cross the oceanright and the boat's gone too far and
then you can't so like I don'thave enough food to get back. It
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was kind of like that of like, if I don't finish this, So
I made myself finish it. Andthen I didn't know what to think.
And then somewhere along the way,I had some friends read some chapters and
they were like, you gotta.This is good. You gotta. So
I ended up doing it. Andso so the premise of the story is
I had been collecting all these ufoand owl ounce and I so when I
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when I talk to people, Ioften hear not quite the same story,
but a very similar story. SoI'll say, and I must have said
this a thousand times and typed ita thousand times, and emails I said,
I have never heard your story exactly, but I have heard many with
the same flavor and mood. Someonetells me a story like Wow, I
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can just tap into like the moodof the story and like, oh yeah,
this is this is one of thoseOwel stories. So with so I
tried to I tried to imbue thebook with that, with that flavor and
mood. So it's a kind ofa mystery thriller paranormal. And now I'm
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going to be very cautious saying this, like that there's a pop culture kind
of story, like a really fastpaced kind of story with spies and romance
and and and a mystery at thesurface level, but like below that,
like I almost hit and I wastrying to tell a deeper story, an
unseen story exactly, an unseen story. So yeah, it's but it's and
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it seems to me if you readthe reviews on Amazon, it's people get
it. Like I was really worried, like what am I doing, you
know, like I put this weirdbook out and and but people seem to
really like it. So that's beenreally heartening for me. I think I
said to you, make a greatI haven't read it yet, but what
I've taken from it from what Ihave read online and bit it makes an
amazing play. Amazing play screenplay.Oh a film. Yeah. You know
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what's funny because I when I talkabout it, I sometimes I say,
oh, and then in this partof the movie and then we missed,
make a mistake and call it afilm. Yeah. So as in,
so if you had two experiences whenyou were twelve and then one when you
were older, is that right?Yeah? And so the so the other
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one when I was twelve, Iwas walking home from a high school football
game in and I was It's Fridaynight, Michigan, twelve years old.
So it was like in this leaveit to Beaver neighborhood. So you're twelve
on both accounts, do you remember? So this is your second one.
So I'm not really sure which camefirst. I'm assumed the one I know
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happened in the fall because it wasfootball season, and so I'm assuming the
other one happened earlier that year.And I know that was nineteen seventy four
because of when the boy anyway,I just because it was it might have
been summer of nineteen seventy four.So in the autumn of nineteen seventy four,
walking home from my high school footballgame, and I'm with another friend.
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His name is Mike, and it'sonly half a mile to the football
field, and that's what everyone didon Friday night. All the kids would
go to the football field. AndI wanted to be now with the kids
always by the sounds of it faroh yeah, so I would. So
coming home, I in the neighborhoodlike this, my memory is the sky
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brunch and then went right back tonight time because it went again. It
always goes when you're right. Ohokay, So the nighttime sky. Yeah,
regular beautiful autumn night, calm,warm, but just for one second
it went click, turned bright orange. Everything turned orange and then went click,
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right back to the nighttime sky.The whole sky. It wasn't like
a little dot somewhere, It wasthe whole sky. That's my memory.
And uh and I was like,wow, that was weird. And both
him and I were like, whatjust happened? And we tried to say,
like, you know, it wasthere an explosion, was it lightning?
Was it? You know? Nothingmade sense and it didn't make any
noise. And then when I gothome to my house, so my friend
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lived a little further in the neighborhood, he was going to walk a few
more blocks and I was done,So I just walked into my house and
my mom and dad were waiting forme. They were like, why are
you home so late? Why areyou homes why where have you been?
And I was like, I toldyou i'd be home at nine thirty.
I'm right on time. I knewright when I left the football game a
short walk and they looked point ofthe clock and said, it's eleven thirty.
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Oh, and it says roughly twohours hard to know, but roughly
two hours of missing time. AndI was like, there was that was
way before Bud Hopkins and the termmissing time entered our vocabulary. So I
was I was just baffled that myparents were angry at me because I felt
I felt like, no, no, no, I left the football game
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at the right time to be home. So so yeah, there's a So
the next Monday morning, at schoolat the elementary school I've been in junior
high school, I was with Mikeand some other kids and I said,
hey, you know something weird happenedFriday night And my friend Mike said,
yeah, we saw UFO with lightsand everything. And I was like,
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what I never saw UFO? Like, is he lying? Did? I?
So? My since and I've sincegotten back to him. He doesn't
remember it at all, but heremembers that I got in trouble that night.
I was going to ask you,actually, what you know if you
still keep in contact with him,if he has any other experiences? Has
he had any other experiences? Notthat I know of. And then my
Kenny, Kenny, this is anotherfunny thing. Kenny said, I don't
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remember that at all, but hetold his mother. This is this was
probably ten years ago. I wasin touch with them, and he told
his mother, and his mother said, I remember that night you came downstairs
and you said you saw ufhone youdrew it at the kitchen table. Yeah,
it's very it's very easy to forgeta ufor experience, as crazy as
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that sounds, if you remember it. If you're saying it's something like Kenny's
telling his mom, and his mumwill clock it because you know, it's
an unusual thing to say. Possibly, But I've forgotten before. And it
wasn't until i'd had my really bigencounter in Los Angeles that I got in
contact with the guy that I wasliving Billy, that i'd had a UF
(38:00):
experience with. And I said tohis mum, you know, i'd had
a big experience out in Los Angeles, Brentwood. She said, well,
don't you remember the time when youand Billy had the UFO encounter? And
I went and you were staying atthat hotel and I went, oh my
god, And I just couldn't believe. But I remembered it for I think
for a bit afterwards, but thenit just totally went until she triggered my
(38:22):
memory again. Yeah, it's quitebadly. I think it's very common.
Yeah, well yes it is,as we know that, you know,
you hear all these things. Soyou know when you said that you were
researching to look into writing a bookon the owl and the UFO experiences,
just out of interest? What bookswere you looking at? Who were you?
(38:44):
Who are you looking for? Communion? Oh? Was it communion?
Yew? Wow, it's right therein communion. So that would be the
and then it's Whitley Struverer wrote aboutan owl. That so his initial event
which changed the world. Right,That book was enormously Communion was enormously popular.
(39:05):
I think it was published in nineteeneighty seven. The event happened on
Christmas, the night of Christmas Day, right, so twenty fifth not Christmas
Eve, the night of Christmas Day, and then he woke up the next
morning, and so he had theHe had what we call what you know,
like the events on the ship andon the table and all the But
(39:30):
he told us when he when hehad articulated, he told his wife,
he said, I think there wasa there was an owl on the window
sill looking in the window, lookingin at us in the bedroom. And
this was in upstate New York inthe wintertime, obviously Christmas time. So
they went to the window and theowl where they owl should have stood on
(39:52):
the window sill. There was snowthat had been there for a few days,
but there were no markings in thesnow. So with alt stood there
there should have been foot prints.So when he saw there was no footprints,
he was like, WHOA, somethingelse happened. But that was that
was his memory of a barn owllooking in the window at him. And
then his other books, I thinkit's called Breakthrough and Transformation. And then
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there's another book called the Communion Letters. I got all of those and I
searched those out, and I foundevery owl reference in those three books.
There's other books about Hopkins book NotMissing Time, doesn't have any owls in
it. But I think Sight Unseenhas owls in it. Yeah, I
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think it, Yeah it does.Actually, yeah that one I got the
young correct proof. But yeah,yeah, that one, it has got
owls in it. Okay with CarolRainey as well. Yeah so so.
But but it was funny, soso Whitley Streeber wrote it would be a
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paragraph here and a paragraph here,And I collected all those paragraphs and put
them together, and and he exactlyhe's a beautiful writer, but he exactly
captures the kind of mystery of theowl is how it's is, how it's
how it shows up in them,in the in the reports. It's funny
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because prior to this I sent youI don't know if you saw it or
messenger. I was looking to somethingup on an owl and this wicker basket
came up like a laundry basket,and I looked at it and I thought,
whoa, that just looks like theface of eat. So if you
look, I've got I've got toEAT's in here. I've got a ceramics.
(41:44):
Oh yeah, you have the otherone. But if you look at
it, the shape of the face, the eyes as us with glasses looking
like owl, right, but youknow, uh, and I just thought,
oh my god, I did kindof get it because of sleeves of
the dark eyes and the shapes areslightly different. But it was really bizarre
(42:05):
when I showed you that, wellyou're left. It was just there was
a half hour before that. Ijust I had never sort of like put
it together, three together ship.It's identical symmetry between it of like if
you had to draw it was like, what's an owl on that bday?
Yeah? This is this has beenmy life, that connection. Yeah,
like seeing this over and over andover in every conceivable strange. To me
(42:30):
it's usually a craft and then ora massive orb, not a not a
being as such. So but forother people I know that it is.
I you know, we're talking withme. So I remind me again what
I said to you about the magnet, because I I didn't realize until I
(42:51):
went through messenger and that you wrotesomething else up because I was trying to
describe the energy that you get whenyou're like when you're having an experience.
I can do it right now andyou can just feel it. It's that
sort of repelling but it's that energythat you're sort of trapped into So it
was very So why you're explaining itas that to other people? So I
(43:15):
for your experience, wasn't it?So when I was thirty, which is
half my lifetime, is your otherexperience? This is my experience when I
was thirty. Well, I've hadlots of other experiences, but they started
coming fast and furious at some point. But when I was thirty, of
black Bill. So when I wasthirty, I was living alone in a
(43:37):
house in Maine, and it waswintertime. It would have been the January
or February of nineteen ninety three,so that's the year that I had my
experience. In my experience, Februaryand nicey three, wow, February ninety
three. Okay, Yeah. SoI was lying in bed and I and
there was a break light shining throughthe window, break break light. And
(43:59):
I sat up in bed and lookedout the window, and there was five
alien beings cray beings with the skinnybodies and the bald head and the big
black eyes, walking towards the house. And they were back lit by this
bright thing in the yard. Andthe bright thing was not very big.
No, No, I was onthe ground floor. I was on the
ground floor, ground floor, wintertime, right light illuminating the snow five beings.
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They weren't far away. They werelike right out the window, like
if they had to come in thehouse, they would have they would have
just I mean the front door wasjust like they were just around the corner.
But they were like right there.It wasn't like I was some little
dots off in the distance on theywere like it was clear any they were
just about to go around the cornerof the house. And so they're walking
towards the house, their back litby this light. The light isn't very
(44:49):
big. It's like the size oflike a washing machine or something. Okay,
so well as a as a shape. It just was a ball of
light as far as I remember.And and then I don't know how long
I looked at it, not verylong. And I heard a voice in
my head that said, oh,yes, they're here. Now is the
time to put your head on thepillow and shut down. And I just
(45:14):
I should have been terrified. Ishould have jumped up, I should have
locked the doors. I didn't doany of that, So I I this
event was was overlapped with this feelingof it was dream like. Like the
next morning, I just dismissed itas a dream. I never even bothered
to go out and look. Itwas absurd, right, why would I
(45:36):
go out to look and see ifthere are footprints in the snow. Well,
it's a bit like what you justsaid to me about Whitley and yow
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there'sno foot I never looked, though.
I Whitley at least went and lookedat the window sill. I never even
went out and looked. So sothe there was a feeling. It was
weirdly quiet, like the brain chatterin my like my normal thought, my
(45:59):
brain chatter was like turned off,Like I was sort of blank and kind
of void of emotion. Everything washyper clear. And I've since had that
experience a few more times, thatfeeling. So I went to a UFO
conference and what was going to UFOconferences? And early on I was talking
to people on the phone all thetime, and I would always ask,
(46:20):
you know, like if you everhad this experience of like a distorted time
or distorted reality. And people wouldsay, oh, yeah, I had
this feeling, and they would kindof talk about it, and then it's
really hard to explain. And whenI met you in England, I asked
you the same question, have youever had this feeling? And you said,
oh, would the event in LosAngeles? You said, you know
how I wouldn't. Take two magnets, like you push them together in one
(46:44):
way and they click and they stick. But you pull them apart and turn
one of them ninety degrees and tryto push them, they no longer stick.
They repel, and there's like youhold the magnets, there's nothing to
see, Like you look between,there's nothing to see, but there is
a helpable, weird kind of warblingenergy that you can feel in between those
(47:07):
magnets. And you said being Ican't remember how you said it, but
my memory is you said, likebeing that close to the event, being
within the event was like being betweenthose two magnets. And when you said
that, I was like, thatis exactly how to describe it. Like
I knew you, I like knewyour event was one thousand percent real and
(47:32):
I could tap into it so stronglybecause I had that that knowing of that
magnet sensation. Yeah, I meanthat wasn't just on the you know,
like you just said it. Youknow, it's happened a few times.
That wasn't just the la one,you know, It's happened that quite a
(47:52):
few times. As he said,I have got goosebumps as you say that,
I've got such a bitch win youcan't feel it. But yeah,
no, yeah, And and doyou remember me saying to you last week
with my mess up everybody apologies everybody. I got the hour difference wrong.
(48:13):
I was silly. I thought wewent I thought everyone went back, but
no, just England went back.We have since gone. Yeah, yeah,
they've ever the fifty went back yet. So I got it on.
So that's why you've come back againthis week for me. But yeah,
no, it was very very strange, very very strange that that. Yeah,
(48:35):
when you get that feeling. ButI did explain to you when I
had that light outside my bedroom windowlast year, that was a buzz.
That was a vibration as well,not like not like that that. I
mean, you can you can justlive it again with your eyes closed,
feeling totally that feeling. Once you'vehad that feeling, that just doesn't go
(48:58):
at all, and it and itdoes come along with the other experiences,
well yeah, for experiences. Yeah, so yeah, that was in chance,
isn't it, Because it's just sucha flutter of different things, experiences
that you have as an experience.It's not just just seeing a craft.
It's all of the other ship thatyou got to put up with that you
(49:20):
have to go through in your head, haven't you. Yeah, So that's
that's what I'm doing. Like I'mdoing the as I said before, I'm
just pulling on the owl string.And you know, I talk to people
all the time, and I'm nottalking to a wide range of experiences.
I'm talking to a very narrow rangeof experiences. And you know, like
I never I guess I have,but I never hear the story of like,
(49:43):
oh, you know, the lyingsauce or lander on the road and
took us out of our car andthen we were lying on a table,
Like I mean, I've heard that. It's certainly part of times. Oh
yeah. But what I'm hearing isthe people I'm talking with are basically saying,
I had the weirdest synchronicity, yeah, or I had this thing happened
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in normal waking consciousness, like somecoincidence that's beyond coincidence, that's totally felt
staged or shared dreams or and that'swhat I'm hearing. That's the bulk of
what people are sharing with me,those kinds of weird dreamlike where reality plays
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out like a dream. Yeah,you're right. It was the synchronicity of
the Prince scanner that I just saidin a minute. Literally not even I'd
gone to look by a Prince scanneron a Sunday late in the day.
All of the shops closed at fouro'clock. I got there probably about three
caught past three, just went tolook around. It was quite a few
people there. The shop assistance werebusy talking to everyone else. I'm like,
(50:52):
looking, I'm not into technology.Race can definitely tell you that,
and they were all busy. AmI just well, I just need a
printer scanner. That's all I need. That's all I need. And then
I thought to myself, Okay,you know what, they're all busy.
I'm just going to go went backto the car park lot. I had
a Grand Voyager here in England,and there next to my wheel on the
(51:15):
on the next to my wheel wasa printer scanner, not in a box,
just there and I just looked.I just looked around the car park
lot and I was like, well, there's not many cars here. No
one heard me talk. I didn'tverbally talk to anyone unless telepathically. People
were listening. And I just thought, what I swear? What should I
(51:37):
do with it? What shall Ido? What should do? And I
looked around and I thought, youknow what, I can do one or
two things. I can pick itup put it in the car, or
I can leave it that will actuallymove it and put it out the way.
So I thought, you know what, I'm going to pick it up.
I picked it up, put itin the car, and I just
couldn't believe it. I just couldnot believe it, like you're saying it's
a stage thing. And then Istart on the journey home down the country
(51:58):
road round the backs of a placecalled beer Allston, where I've had UFO
experiences before. I've had two UFOexperiences, one with a light coming down
over the trees, and then Igot out of the car and watched it
go overfield and then down a field, and then another one with these lights
with another witness. My boss isa witness too. But anyway, and
(52:20):
Matt is where I heard in myhead going through this, and I'll keep
looking at the print of scanner andthis is just unreal. Is that it
right there? Oh you're you're thinkingyou're looking at it? Yeah, no,
no, yeah, I'm looking atwhile I'm driving, thinking this is
unreal. And then in my headI'm going through a conversation. I had
the two experiences the night before.One of them is Susan Chancellor, and
(52:40):
I remember her saying is well,it's like I can see you. And
then all of a sudden, Iwas like, just turn around the corner.
Boom, this owl now got goosebump, just bounced into my windscreen
and I was like, no,I was so concerned. And it was
dark. I was so concerned aboutthe owl, so I sort of pulled
(53:04):
over. I could see where thevery tall grass. I couldn't see any
movement in the grass. I wasn'tgoing to get out. I was in
the middle of nowhere, down acountry lane. It was dark. I
mean it was on a Sunday,it would have been wintertime dark. I
wasn't going to get out of thecart and I just couldn't see anything,
couldn't see any movement, and Ijust thought, Okay, I'm just going
to go home. Went home toa place that I was having lots of
(53:28):
strange experiences with orbs outside the house. My son had seen it and it
would stay there for us and watch, you know, call him down.
And when he was watching it andI said, I said to him,
my son's called a Ryan. Isaid, Ryan, look what I got.
And he just said to me,it was like out of polter Geist.
He said, that is not comingin the house. And because obviously,
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you know, carry Anne wasn't allowedthe TV in the house at the
last the last scene of Poulter guystbut it was like that. It was
the most strangest thing, right Litten. I'm going to have you back as
well. I've been told that we'vegot to go. It is a rap,
as he says. Next week,I actually got someone in because it's
another the same as synchronicity. Ihave a Mike Patterson in from Ontario,
(54:14):
Canada, sasquatch, because that isanother huge realm to the owls, the
synchronicity and the UFOs, and heI've got to know through other experiences with
him. So thank you, Mikevery much. I am going to have
you back on and thank you forbeing a friend for so long. I
(54:35):
like, yeah, all right,guys, so thank you for the Naked
Truth, thank you for Mike Cleland, and we will be back next week
with Mike Patterson from Ontario, Canada. Sasquatch my god, oh my god,
that is going to be another story. Take it easy. Here from
England that night, no no,
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