Episode 380: Canelo vs Crawford: Can it Break Thru to the Mainstream?

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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(01:11):
it off. Now let's talk about Canelo Crawford. So this
fight was officially announced. It's been announced for a while,
but now it's been re announced that it's going to
take place September thirteenth. Let me check the date, so
I make I don't butcher that. Let's see, real quick,
I want to make sure I got that date right,

(01:32):
because if I don't, they're gonna let me have it
on Twitter. Yes, September thirteenth, and it's going to be
at Allegian Stadium in Las Vegas, which, for those of
you who don't know, is the new NFL football stadium
that they put in there maybe a few years ago.
It hasn't been that long, maybe two or three years
ago when the Raiders left California for the five billionth

(01:54):
time and they went there to Vegas. So I think
this is the first big fight in that stadium, which
I really really like. So also I should mention it
is on Netflix, no pay per view, regular Netflix. So
let's talk about this. There's two aspects to this fight.

(02:15):
There's the business side of it, and then there's the fight,
the matchup itself. I want to talk about both of
those things briefly, and then I'll get into some of
your questions. Okay, I just want to give you guys
my initial thoughts as far. Let's start with the business
side of this real quick, I just want to see
how many I'm googling this as I chat with you guys,
how many subscribers does Netflix have? I'm just curious. According

(02:41):
to Google, as of the end of last year, Netflix
had over three hundred million paid subscribers. That's globally. What
I don't know is I'm going to say how many
do they have in the United States? And Google says
about ninety million at the end of last year. So

(03:02):
those are the latest numbers, so are actually below that
It says eighty one million. Okay, So there you go, guys.
Those are the numbers real quick. Netflix three hundred million
global reach, right and then in the in America it's
over eighty million, perhaps ninety million here in the United States.
So I think it's a it's a genius move by

(03:26):
Turkey Aloshake and the crew to put this on Netflix.
I love that it's non pay per view. Now. I've
heard rumors that it might be a daytime fight that
I don't know. I don't know if that's been confirmed.
You guys let me know if it's been confirmed. I've
been crazy busy with work and the kids and all
this stuff, so I haven't been up on all the

(03:48):
news lately, So if that's been released and confirmed, let
me know. But I've heard rumors that might be like
earlier in the day, and some people like that, some
people don't. I don't want to talk too much about
that because I don't know if it's been confirmed, But
if they do something earlier in the day, I like that.
I like that they're trying stuff. The thing with Turkey
is he's trying stuff. And listen, when you try things,

(04:13):
some things are going to fail. You know, some things
that's going to be to use a baseball reference, to
swing in a miss right strikeout, but sometimes you get
to hit a home run. And I like that he's
trying different things, and he kind of left it open.
This promotion's kind of been all over the place, right,
we didn't know exactly what venue would be in. Then
they pulled back and said, we don't know what city

(04:34):
it's going to be in, right, we don't know what
platform what's going to be broadcast on. But guys, it's
only June. This fight's going to be in September. It's
three months away. Literally to today is June thirteen. It's
September thirteen, so it's three months away. That is plenty
of time to properly promote the fight. So I like

(04:55):
the fact that Turkey kind of shopped around and explore
different avenues and now we know it's going to be
Vegas Allegiant Stadium. To me, this fight belongs in Vegas.
Those of you who follow my platform, you know I
say all the time that Vegas, in my personal opinion,
is overrated. I just feel it's overrated. But this fight,

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if there's any fight that belongs in Vegas, it's this one.
You have the premier Mexican fighter of this generation and
the premier American fighter of this generation going up against
each other for an undisputed championship. It belongs in Vegas.

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So the fact that they got that done, and then
I love that they're doing it in this new venue.
That correct me if I'm wrong on this, guys, because
I may be incorrect, but to my knowledge, to my recollection,
this is the first big fight in that venue. So
I like that. That's really cool from a business side
of things. And then it's on Netflix. So I've heard

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people online asking already. A couple of you guys asked
me in a couple of dms, do you think this
could do anywhere near the Jake Paul Mike Tyson numbers.
So that's the business side that I want to talk
about real quick, and I'm going to go back to Google.
I'm probably gonna be googling this entire show. I would
see how many viewers did Paul Versus Tyson have? Okay,

(06:32):
so the Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson fight last year
which really really broke through. I mean in terms of
like the commercial box office appeal, this was the biggest
fight this century. Maybe Mayweather Packy I was bigger, but
obviously in terms of money, of course, but in terms
of like live viewership, I don't know, this might have

(06:55):
been bigger. But anyway, Paul versus Tyson, according to Google
on Netflix did Wow live. It did over one hundred
million people globally. That's live. That's amazing. Now that's globally.
Let me see if they can give it to me
in the United States specifically, and let's see what it says.

(07:18):
Wow thirty eight No, okay, oh wait second, let me
back up. Sixty five million concurrent viewers globally, So I
guess that's the live viewership. Sixty five million and thirty
eight million of those viewers were in the United States.
So let's focus on the USA here, okay, because globally

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those numbers. We've had a lot of big fights globally
on a global basis, but here in the USA. This
is something I talk about a lot on my platform.
You know, boxing has been marginalized so much you rarely
have an event that really breaks through to the mainstream.
So with Jake Paul Mike Tyson last year, thirty eight
million live viewers in the USA. Guys, that's huge for boxing.

(08:05):
I mean, that's massive for boxing in the United States
in the twenty first century. Again, I don't know if
Mayweather Pacquiao had that many live viewers in the United States.
Perhaps it did, Perhaps it did, but I don't know.
That would be hard to validate. But thirty eight million

(08:25):
live viewers in America. Do I think Canelo Crawford's going
to do that? I have to say I don't. I
don't think it's going to quite do those numbers. And
I think a lot of people out there really don't
understand just how huge of a brand Mike Tyson is
of any live, like living boxer, whether they be active

(08:51):
or inactive, retired, whatever, Mike Tyson's the biggest name in
boxing still. He's bigger than Mayweather, He's bigger than He's
bigger than Canelo by a mile. It's Mike Tyson. He's
bigger than Sugar Ray, Leonard, Thomas, Hearns, Roberto Durant. You
think of all the living great boxers that are now retired, Lennox, Lewis,

(09:14):
all these guys, Mike Tyson's still the biggest name globally
and in America, especially in boxing. And then you take
Jake Paul. A lot of a lot of people that
are thirty and older, like Jake Paul is not famous.
He's not on TV, he's not in movies, because, like
if you're a millennial, but especially if you're Gen X

(09:34):
or a boomer, you you associate fame with television, in
film or maybe music or whatever, and Jake Paul's in
none of those things. So you're like, how can this
guy be famous? But in the twenty first century, particularly,
you know, the twenty ten to twenty twenties, celebrities now

(09:55):
are built online. Celebrities are built on apps, and in
that world, Jake Paul's a massive celebrity, I mean massive.
He's on the level of a Mike Tyson. Seriously, the
only true, quote unquote boxer that can compete with Jake
Paul in that realm is Ryan Garcia. Right. So you

(10:19):
have two huge names, crossover names in different spheres, right.
Mike Tyson is big with casual sports fans and older
people gen X boomers, right, and Jake Paul is popular
with the t D boppers, the gen Z girls that
you know, the same people who watch Ryan Garcia fight

(10:42):
and maybe some millennials. That's where so you had just
they permeated the entire market those two. Canelo Crawford, yeah,
not on that level. So commercially box office, I do
think this fight's gonna do big numbers for box particularly
in the United States, but it's going to be on

(11:03):
the level of Paul Tyson. And the reason why I
bring that fight up is number one, it was in America,
but number two, it was on Netflix, right, So that's
why I'm making that comparison. If the folks at Netflix
are expecting a similar outcome, they're going to be disappointed.
All that being said, if this fight can do north
of ten million live views in the USA and then

(11:26):
maybe the global viewership once it's all counted up, is
equivalent to Tyson Paul Tyson, where it's one hundred millionaires.
So that's a huge success, massive success to me, though
there's one piece missing in this, okay. And if I'm
Turkey Lla shake, and this is the question I want
to bring to you guys, the casual fans, there's going

(11:50):
to be some interest Canelos kind of broken through. Okay,
But if we're being honest, even though Canelo is the
face of boxing this century, particularly in North America, I
shouldn't say this century, but post Mayweather Pacia is what
I meant. He's the face of boxing. He's the top brand. Okay.
His fan base isn't what I would call a crossover

(12:10):
fan base. Canelo doesn't do late night television here like
Manny Paciao did. He doesn't do Dancing with the Stars
and WWE and all that like Mayweather did and some
of the reality shows and stuff he did. He only
really deals with Mexican media for the most part, and
then American boxing press, right, So he's not a crossover star. Now,

(12:33):
casual sports fans in Middle America, you know the term
I use Joe sixpack. You know the guy who watches
bush Beer and some chicken wings. That guy, not the stereotype,
but that guy. He's probably heard the name Canelo, right,
he knows a little bit about him, but it's not
on the level of like Mayweather or Paciow those kinds

(12:56):
of guys, right, it's not Canelo's brand hasn't pen it
traded into Middle America the same way. So, even though
he's a huge brand, and he's the biggest brand in
boxing in North America by a mile, still kind of
a niche fan base to that extent. I hope what

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I'm saying makes sense, right. And then with Crawford, he's
just never been a huge brand to begin with, and
he's a difficult guy to market because of his personality.
He's not very good on the MIC. He's gotten a
lot better, he's gotten a lot better, but he's just
kind of one of those guys that, like a lot
of the Eastern European fighters, honestly, is kind of a
throwback where he just kind of wants to get in

(13:38):
the ring and do his thing and do his job
and go home, which is cool. I totally get that,
but not the easiest guy to market. So my question
to you guys, is this what co feature could Turkey
La Chic put on this card that would penetrate the

(13:59):
market with the gen Zers, the teeny boppers, the teenage
girls that watch Jake Paul and Ryan Garcia fight. Who
could you possibly put on this card to try to
get that market involved in watching? And I gotta say
I don't know. Obviously, Jake Paul is not going to

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be on this show, and I don't think he belongs
on the show. Ryan Garcia, Dude, if Ryan Garcia had
beat Riley Romero when they fought what was that last month,
I can't keep up last month April recently, if he
had beat him and looked good doing it, and had

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Hainey looked good beating his opponent Jose Ramirez, that rematch
between Garcia and Haney would have been the perfect co
feature to this fight to bring in gen Z. But
they both shit the bed Hani won his fight, but

(15:08):
nobody gives a shit because of how we fought, and
Ryan Garcia looked like shit, even worse than Devin Hainey
and lost on top of it, so that's been ruined.
But to me, that would be the co feature that
you could throw on this card. That you get the
teeny boppers watching, and that might literally I know this

(15:28):
might sound crazy to some of you, who it could
possibly double the live viewership if it was marketed correctly
to that fan base. Outside of that, I don't know
who you can put in here that has that crossover
box office appeal us die hards. If you're listening to
this show, if you're watching me right now, you know

(15:49):
you're gonna watch. I'm gonna watch, We're gonna watch, regardless
the guys that are gonna be put on the undercard.
Turkey la Chik had a tweet this week we could
talk about is a Tom and Jerry tweet talking about
runners and how that triggered some folks online. The usual suspects.
The names he listed of guys that he would consider

(16:09):
for the undercard. Those are guys that the casual sports
fan can't even pronounce the names. They have no idea
who they are. We know who they are, and those
fights are for us, right, Who does they put on
this card that gets more of that casual fan interest.
I just don't know. I just don't know. So that's
the business side of this, Okay, Then there's the actual matchup,

(16:31):
the fight itself so really quickly, and then I'll start
getting the questions and whatnot. When this fight was first
talked about, and it's been discussed for a while. This
isn't something that just popped up this year. This has
been talked about for a while. This matchup, you know,
this fight was happening in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty. I

(16:51):
would pick Canelo by a mile. I really would, just
to me, the size difference would matter so much more.
At that time, Pete Canelo was twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
I'd say twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, maybe even in the
twenty one. That's like the tail end of his prime.
And since that point he's not been the same guy.

(17:13):
He went up against Dimitry Bavil in early twenty twenty two, right,
it's three years ago. By the time he fights Crawford,
it will have been three and a half years, and
to me, Bivel beat the last ounce of prime years
out of Canelo in that fight. I think that from
that point forward, Canelo has been on the farewell tour

(17:37):
stage of his career. And I've been talking about this
very openly the last couple of years on my platform,
and I've taken heat for it. I've been called the
Canelo hater and all this stuff. Nothing could be further
from the truth. But guys, Canelo was six and oh
since losing to Bivel. The fight just before that was
the Caleb Plant fight in twenty twenty one, and he

(17:59):
got stoppage in that fight and looked pretty good in
that fight, although Plant did have his moments. Plant really
hasn't shown a whole lot since that loss to have
us believe he's this elite level guy. I don't really
ever think he was quite on that level. I think,
you know, he was probably overrated coming into that fight,
just like Charlo, who Canelo recently beat, and a lot

(18:21):
of other guys we could point to. But Cano's six
and ozho since that loss, and it's been against lackluster opposition.
He hasn't fought any prime elite level guy, certainly none
in and around his weight class at sixty eight or
seventy five, right, and he hasn't stopped any of them.
He's he's won the fights clearly, right, There's been zero controversy,

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and he's even dropped a couple of guys. But he's
outclassed some of them and all that, but he hasn't
been able to He hasn't looked as explosive. He hasn't
hurt these guys. He hasn't again, a couple of knockdowns, whatever,
but he hasn't really hurt them. He hasn't beat them up,
he hasn't stopped them. He hasn't done what he was
able to do in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one. He

(19:07):
hasn't been able to do it. And he's been in
there with guys that are B level, and it's no
disrespect to his opponents. You guys know the name Edgar Berlinge,
John Ryder, et cetera. I'm not trying to put these
guys down. Listen, if you're a B level fighter at
the top, at the world class level, you're still better
than ninety nine percent of fighters on Earth, right, So

(19:29):
that's not a put down. When I say B level,
I'm trying to keep this in context. It's just at
the truly top levels of boxing. If an inch separates
two guys, well, that could mean a mile in the fight.
Do you get what I'm saying? The levels, there's so
many levels to it, and these guys just an inch

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separates them sometimes, and just an inch could be the
difference between being a good fighter and a great fighter
at the top level. Right, I'm not trying to put
these guys down, but they're just not on that elite level,
at the very very top. And so a prime Canelo
stops Berlega, stops John Rodgers, stops Dramaut Charlot, probably doesn't

(20:13):
stop a semi retired Gannaddy Gloveking, because I don't think
anyone does. But other than him stops the rest of
the opponents he has faced. Hime Mungia stops them. The
fact that Canelo hasn't done that shows me that, like
the blade has dulled. It's a few miles. You know,
it's coming off the fastball, it's a little softer, it's

(20:34):
a little easier to hit. It hangs over the plate
a little longer, and you can take it out of
the park now. Terence Crawford, he has fought once a
year since twenty twenty, so at five times in the
last five years, and he's going to continue that trend
this year. This will be his only fight of this year,

(20:56):
but you know he was dominated again. Spence, take from
that which you will, I personally believe Aero Spence was
always overrated, and some people will say, well, Spence was
shot to hell because of the car accident. He hasn't
fought since. I would contend my personal feeling on that
is I don't think Spence has fought for several reasons.

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But I do think one of the reasons is if
Spence comes back at one four, it beats a guy
like Sebastian Fundora, somebody on that level, and wins a
belt or a couple belts, then you can't say you
were shot for the Crawford fight. Then you just have
to admit that Crawford was levels better than you. That's

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going to be hard to swallow for that fan base,
which you know, they're cult like in their their fandom.
It would be easier to just not fight again, so
you could say, yeah, I was shot to hell, it
was a car accident. That's why I look so bad
in that fight. If Spence comes back and wins a
title or something at one fifty four, suddenly that excuse
is gone. You can't say, oh, the accident ruined me.

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I've am a shot fighter. You can't say that anymore.
I do think there's that's one of the underlying reasons
why he hasn't fought since. But be that as it may,
Crawford dominated Spence, right, you want every second of that fight. Brutally,
savagely beat him up and stopped him. That's what you
should do when you are a class above a guy.

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And then his first fight back against Madromov, who's a
good quality fighter. Wouldn't call him elite. He's right there
at that beat level and competitive fight, but he beats him.
Difficult style for Crawford, he kind of struggles with that style.
You know, he beat Victor poul Stall pretty clearly when

(22:47):
they fought, but he kind of didn't look good in
that fight either, and he just kind of has trouble
with that style. So now he's moving up two weight
classes and a lot of people are making a lot
of that weight jump. I just at this stage of
Canelo's career, I just don't think it's as important as
it would normally be. Now again, if we're talking prime Canelo,

(23:11):
the guy that fought the love can in those first
two fights, yeah, I'm taking I'm taking Canelo, probably by stoppage,
maybe by stoppage. It might go the distance, but I'm
favoring Canelo big, but at this stage of his career, guys,
And look, I haven't rated Canelo pound for pound or

(23:31):
like as a serious fighter for a couple of years now.
And again I've taken some heat for that. And I
mean even on the ring ratings committee. You know, there
are a lot of guys like I've been very clear.
I laid it out a few weeks ago. I talked
about Canelo, we should remove Canelo pound for pound. No
one agreed with me, literally, no one on the panel,

(23:52):
because you kind of need Canelo up there on the
pound for pound list. And to be clear, you know,
I should specify there are only about six or seven
guys right now that I rate pound for pound. I
don't even have a top ten. So if you're gonna
have ten guys, okay, Canelo's on the back end of that,
he's number seven, eight nine. I'm fine with that. I'm
fine with that. But just I really only rate like

(24:15):
seven guys pound for pound. What is it? It's usk
in a way, bivel in no particular order here, guys, Crawford, Bam, Nakatani,
b or Bev give or take right. There might be
one or two other guys right there. But that's those
are the guys that I look at right now as

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the dynamic elite pound for pound guys right now. And
to me, Canelo was that guy. But he's past his
best years. And I've kept the same energy on this
because I said the same thing about Lomachenko when Ring
still rated him pound for pound, and I took some
heat for that, not as much, but I was like, listen, guys,

(24:58):
loma Chenko is not a pound for pound fighter anymore.
He's not. He's just not. He's not that guy anymore.
He's faded, he's past his best years, and so last
year or so of his career, I didn't rate Lomachenko
on that level when he fought Devin Haney. I didn't
have Lomachenkin on my pound for pound list, and I
don't have or Canelo on my pound for pound list
right now. So there is that element here, okay. And

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for all those factors, I'm gonna take Crawford in this fight.
I'm gonna take him by decision. I see this as
a distance fight. I also think it has the possibility
to be a stinker. I hope I'm wrong on that,
but just looking at these guys' styles. I mean, Canelo
at this stage of his career, he's not a sneaking
destroy guy. I don't see him doing it against Crawford

(25:45):
because you can really get caught, especially upstairs. Crawford's really
really good at He's a sharpshooter, a great counterpuncher. Once
he makes some adjustments, once you put some leather on him,
he switches gears. He gets pissed and he switches gears.
So I don't think Canelo is going to just seek
and destroy the way he fought some of those super

(26:06):
middleweights when he was cleaning it out that division, which
was a lackluster division anyway at that time. And Crawford,
you know, Crawford has shown he could be mean and
he can go in there and seek and destroy when
he wants to. But he's also had some really dull performances.
He didn't look particularly outstanding against Madromoff. I mentioned that.

(26:28):
I mentioned the polest All fight. There are some other fights,
you know where he kind of looked dull. He was
kind of dull against Kvaliowskis before he got dropped and
he turned it on. So we've seen that from him
before and he's moving up two way classes. He's going
up against his best opponent, Canelo. Even this version of
Canelo is still light years better than narrow Spence ever

(26:48):
was just my personal opinion, and it's going to be
his best opponent by far. So he knows that, and
he's going to feel that the first round or two
when he feels some of those punches and sees the
rated speed, the hand speed and all that the upper
body dexterity that Canelo has. So I think he's going
to play it safe, and I think we may have

(27:10):
a really tactical fight with a lot of feinting and
things like that. There might be some explosive combinations here
or there, but it's gonna be a lot of like
one punch at the time. I hope I'm wrong, but
I just get that vibe about this fight anyway. I
see a distance fight, and I see Crawford getting a
decision here, which would be interesting because Canelo has had

(27:33):
several close fights in Las Vegas and he's always gotten
the decision. Okay, even if he lost clearly, he's still
got a draw. Even if it was a really close fight,
he got the draw the win if Crawford is able
to get a decision and a close, competitive fight in

(27:54):
Las Vegas, that would be very interesting. It's something we
would have to talk about. Let's talk quickly pound for pound.
I mentioned in a minute ago. If Crawford beats Canelo,
there are going to be a lot of people out
there that want him rated number one pound for pound.
Now for me to even consider that, he is going
to have to destroy Canelo. He is going to have

(28:16):
to dominate him and destroy him. That's what he's going
to have to do to great number one pound for
pound consideration from me. If he goes out there and
slightly out points Canelo, yeah, not enough. And that might
sound crazy to some people, But that's why I'm level
setting guys, and I'm letting you know where I rate

(28:38):
Canelo right now, how I view him as a fighter
at this stage of his career. Because of that reason,
if Crawford wins let's say one fifteen, one thirteen, and
all three judges scorecards, it's the best win of his career.
It's a historic win. He is the undisputed super middleweight champion,
all that good stuff. But does it usurp what Alexander

(28:59):
Usak has done. No, it doesn't. It just doesn't. So
he'd have a lot of credentials and you could obviously
make a very very intelligent argument for him being number one,
and maybe I'll change my mind on this, but I
don't know. If he barely wins, I don't know now

(29:19):
if he Errol Spence's Canelo, if he hurts, puts down
Cannelo becomes the first guy to really hurt him and
drop him or stop him. Okay, then we have to
talk about that. We have to talk about Crawford being
the pound for pound number one guy. We have to
have the conversation now if Canelo wins, if I just talked,

(29:46):
gave all the reasons why I really don't rate Canelo
as a top pound for pound guy anymore. If he
beats Crawford, there are going to be people out there
who say he should be put back at number one
or at least in the top two or three pound
for pound. Once again, I say, if he just out
points Crawford and wins one fifteen, one thirteen or something, well,
you're supposed to do that. You're the bigger guy. You're

(30:09):
supposed to do that against the smaller guy. So you're
not doing anything exceptional there. Yes, you're being a guy
who's on the pound for poundless top five, top three,
depending on who you talk to. But I don't think
just barely beating Crawford, a guy who is legitimately moving
up two weight classes, rates top five pound for pound

(30:32):
consideration from Canelo, especially considering his work over the last
three years, losing to Bivel and beating six guys that
are B level guys and then being a guy who
is way smaller and moving up on paper. I say
that because I don't think Crawford really is that much
smaller than Canelo. But in terms of the frame he is,

(30:55):
he is, But in terms of the length and height
it's a different story. Anyway, just barely beat him, yeah,
probably not in my opinion of pound for pound accomplishment.
But if I'm gonna compare this to a Lomachenko fight,
if Canelo beats Crawford up, dominates him, wins every second

(31:18):
of the fight, and stops Crawford or makes him quit,
different discussion at that point. Okay, And it reminds me
there are parallels. It's not the exact same, obviously, but
there are parallels to Lomachenko Rigondio. There are a lot
of people out there. It's gonna be interesting to see
how this plays out in the boxing fans space on

(31:41):
social media. When Lomachenko beat Rego, he didn't just beat him,
He dominated him. He outclassed him, He was hurting him.
He was on his way to stopping him legitimately, So
Rego quit after years of chasing Loma, talking trash, getting

(32:02):
it nasty online to get that fight. He gets in
there and quits. Loma broke his will and made him quit.
That was a domination. So I gave loma Chenko tremendous
credit for that win, even though, yes, Rigo was the
smaller guy moving up. Loma Chenko, who was at a

(32:24):
size disadvantage for most of the big fights in his
career pretty much all of them, actually was Actually he
had a size advantage in this fight, right, So there's
some parallels with Canelo in his recent run at sixty
eight seventy five here. But I gave him a lot
of credit for that win because of how he won.

(32:44):
You get what I'm saying. Had Loma out pointed Rego
one fifteen, one thirteen, I wouldn't have rated that win
so highly. But because he dominated and stopped the guy
and broke his will and made him quit and run away.
I give him tremendous credit. Now, if Canelo can do
that to Crawford, I will give him tremendous credit. Nobody

(33:06):
at this point has been able to even get close
to doing that to Crawford. Right, he looks like one
of these guys that has an iron will that you
know you can't break. He looks like one of those guys.
That's how Rego looked before Lomachenko. By the way, and
Rego came into that fight I think top three pound
for pound rating, right, just like Crawford here coming into

(33:27):
this Canelo fight. So if Canelo can do that, if
he could rego Crawford, okay, but if he barely beats him,
I'm not going to give him that much credit. And
it's going to be interesting to see if people keep
the same energy they had for Lomachenko when he beat Rego.
Should Canelo beat Crawford if they keep the same energy,

(33:47):
because a lot of the Lomachenko haters just don't even
acknowledge his win over Rego. They don't even count it
because oh yeah, the size of manage, right, and they
give him no credit. But some of those same people
might give Canelo a ton of credit if he slightly
out points Crawford here. So it's not just about winning,

(34:09):
it's how you win. Okay. I think that's a big,
big factor here. Okay, I think I saw a super chat.
Yes I did, Cory ly box it with the super chat.
Thank you so much, brother says, just want to say
what's awesome live stream. I appreciate that, sir, thank you
very much. And I think that's the only super chat

(34:30):
for right now. Real quick, guy, I was going to
share my screen here. I want to go to Twitter,
I'm sorry X and respond to some questions here. I
hosted a tweet. I said, ask me your questions. Let
me get to a couple of these, real quick, real quick.
Jack Alter says, would you have favorite Canelo if this

(34:50):
was the prime Canelo that fought Triple D in the
rematch in twenty eighteen? I honestly would favorite Canelo if
it was that version, even though favoring Crawford in this fight.
Jack spot brother, Yeah, I mean we pretty much agree
on this one hundred percent. I already talked about it,
but yeah, I absolutely would have favorite Canelo, but at
this point I favor Crawford and maybe we'll both be surprised.

(35:12):
I'm September thirteen, but I kind of see this the
same way you do. Man. Luke asks, do you think
recent bad calls by athletic commissions, Tank Roach and Navarete
Suarez could eventually affect people betting on boxing and the
various online betting apps that sponsor the fights. That's a
great question, and I can tell you, Luke, it already does.

(35:34):
Fad who calls into the show all the time. You know,
we talk a lot, you know, just offline with upcoming
fight cards, because he gambles a lot. And he's not
the only one. I talked to several people like that
all the time, and a lot of times they will
change their bet depending on the state or the country
a fight is in, particularly if it's an American fight,

(35:56):
which state it's in and who the promoter is that
will affect the way that they you know, and then
sometimes like you know, who the ring officials are, the referee,
the judges, that can sway, dude, We've seen stuff like
that literally change the odds of a fight overnight. So
I think the apps like that because it's it's it's action, right,

(36:22):
It's traffic on the app when you see that, oh god,
this referee is in there. Oh man, the odds shift
and a bunch of people move money on the other
fighter or something. The apps love that because they're getting traffic.
So I actually think they like all the controversy. But
for gamblers, yeah, it's something that unfortunately, you have to

(36:42):
consider when you are placing bets. And sometimes you'll place
a bet early on the fight, when you have certain
odds that you like, and then like a week before
the fight they announced the ring officials, You're like, oh shit,
I wouldn't have bet this way, you know, and it
screws up your bet. That happened is a lot too.
So it's all over the place, man, But it's it's

(37:03):
one of the reasons, well, just one of several reasons
why I don't bet, because it's just I already you know, look,
I invest in the stock market and I've really started
to get into that in the last year or so.
That's gambling already. So that's enough gambling for me, young
stan ass that's two. That's two Am and Launce Lonson Lonston.

(37:26):
I hope I'm pronouncing that right, Lonston. Well, so it's
what two thirty over there right now? Well, sorry to
wake you up at this time, brother, but he says,
what's your favorite weight class and what's the best location
you've been to for a fight? My favorite weight class
right now is the heavyweight division. I think we've had

(37:48):
a lot of fun fights, mostly because of Turkey Olo Chic,
and this heavyweight division is very flawed. I'm not going
to put it up there with some of the greatest divisions.
You know, we've seen the heavyweight divisions. We've seen the
past eras I should say, it's certainly not the greatest era,
but we have a lot of really interesting, entertaining personalities

(38:08):
and styles from really all over the world. You know,
I've talked about this on my channel a lot. You've
got the UK guys, the Eastern European guys. You've got
the South Asian or I should say Southeast Asian guys,
like from China, like saying, you got guys from Australia,
New Zealand, USA, Mexico. You've got heavyweights from all over

(38:32):
the place and Africa, and they make the division a
lot of fun because it's so international. I feel like
I'm watching like a world cup when I watch heavyweight
boxing in the twenty first century. And we've just seen
a lot of fun fights lately, man, really entertaining fights.
We just the the Wardly fight a Wardley Honey week

(38:57):
last week. So last week or two weeks ago, it's
all a blur, but man, that was super fun. Right
This division is a lot of fun right now, bro.
And then the best location I've seen a fight, I
will say, the most impressive venue I've ever been to,
just that really impressed me, was at and T Stadium

(39:17):
just outside of Dallas, Texas. You know, I covered a
couple of events there, and you know, I was there
for pretty much all a fight week. This is before
I had kids, so I could like go for the
whole fight week and be there for all the pressers
and the wade and all that stuff. And what an
impressive complex that is, dude. I got to walk the

(39:38):
whole bowels of that venue and all the surrounding stuff,
like the practice fields and all that amazing amazing. But
the funnest place to just watch a fight is I
still call it stub Hub Center. Now it's called Dignity
Health Sports Complex or something that. Actually, I haven't had
a fight card there in a while, South LA, just

(40:01):
south of Los Angeles, in Carson, California. Always, I've never
been disappointed watching a fight there. Just to such a
fun venue. It only seats maybe seven or eight thousand.
It's a very intimate kind of setting. So much fun, man,
just a great time there, all right, Ash Trees says,
ashtrays I should say, says I can't see Crawford ko

(40:23):
in Canelo. I can't see Canelo ko and Crawford at
this stage. Then parentheses says, I think that's possible. How
much does Crawford have to put up to solidify him
winning if it comes down to a decision, In other words,
what's the likelihood of a robbery in your opinion? Yeah,
I kind of talked about this a little bit a
minute ago, right, That to me is a big factor here. Now,

(40:47):
this fight's in Vegas, it's not in Saudi Arabia, it's
not Riod, but's still the money. The money's still with Canelo. Dude.
I know that Terrence Crawford's American and stuff, but it's
not like parents Crawford's twenty five. I'm gonna be fighting
for the next ten years. He's got a couple of
fights left in his career after this, just like Canelo.

(41:09):
The money is still with Canelo. However, if you can
build Crawford with this fight and he gets a decision
and he beats Canelo, maybe you can build his brand
up and make some money with him the last couple fights.
So there's some interesting factors at play in regards to that.

(41:31):
I would not be shocked if Crawford actually gets a
close decision in this fight. Now, maybe I'll look like
an idiot in September for saying that, right, and we'll
be like, oh, here we go again, you know, like
Canelo wins a controversial decision. But I honestly, maybe I'm
just a gullible idiot. But I think the business of

(41:53):
boxing is going to look at this and I think
Crawford could actually win a close this vision in Vegas
for this fight. It's just the vibe. I get. The
guys that Canelo has gotten close decisions over were from
Eastern Europe Cuba, right, So Crawford's American and he just

(42:15):
he fits the mole. He's undefeated, all the stuff. I
think you might get the close decision. That's just where
I lean. Man, that's just my gut feel on it.
Joshua Klitchko asks who do you think will rule heavyweight
after Utzik beats du Bois and potentially retires. I think
Cawbayella is the best contender right now, and then some

(42:35):
prospect like Jalla Lovua if he stops gaining weight, could
be the next thing. Yeah, I agree with you on that.
You know, Wardley has been in a few wars already.
He's really exciting. He does have the eraser. But a
lot of these guys have the eraser against the B
level and they still have it at the A level.

(42:56):
Usually that changes when they really really step up. To
answer your question, and I hate to be this cliche,
I don't know, but that's part of the fun of
the heavyweight division right now, because it really could be Jallalov.
He looks like the guy. Hasn't been that active lately though,
but he looks like the guy. It could be a

(43:18):
Tuma to your point, if he gets more disciplined and
it stays on. Wait, it could be Wardley, who the
hell knows. It could be a guy that's already there
that just goes on a run. What if Dubois shocks
the world. I don't think that's gonna happen. I think
you SI's gonna win. But what if if Dubois shocks

(43:41):
the world and beats out Sick, Suddenly he's the undisputed
heavyweight champion of the world. He's in his twenties, he's
in the UK, massive fan base, probably the most rampant
fan base in boxing right now on a global basis,
doing the most business anyway in terms of money, like domestically,
and he'd have plenty of guys to fight who are

(44:02):
coming up. It could go either way, man, it really could.
But yeah, obviously I favor Usk in that fight. We
will talk about that later though. A monostypie to ask,
how would you rate as your top four action fighters ever?
All Eras love the podcast, Bro, I'd have to really
think about that one on the spot. I gotta go Gotti.

(44:24):
I gotta go Gotti man action fighters all time. Henry
Armstrong's probably up there because all that dude did was
throw punches. You just got in there. He's a windmill
just throwing punches. But dude, I can't answer your question. Now.
If you said four guys in the last twenty years
or something. I could answer that, but all time, I'd

(44:46):
have to really sit down and think. But off the
top of my head, Gotti is on the list. There
have been so many guys that were just all action,
all the time, always exciting, that I'd have to really
really think about that, great question. Eric Haynes, Jamal Charlo
versus Andre on sixty eight? Who wins the fans?

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Eric?

Speaker 1 (45:10):
The fans win? God, I hope that. Do you remember
like how many people were like saying that fight needs
to happen, that fight could really break through, Like, oh
my god, of those suggestions aged horribly real quick. I
got a couple of questions. I made a post on YouTube,

(45:32):
and I got a couple of questions. There, guy, my
wife just brought me a beer. Look at this all right,
I'm gonna have to drink a beer. I got a
question here from odd Adasa. I think he says my
opinion is it's a statement. He says, my opinion of
this fight, sorry about Canello Crawford, is that as far

(45:54):
as Canelo is concerned, it's a waste of time. And
I will struggle to give Canelo credit this so it
only makes sense. It only makes me more annoyed we
didn't get Canelo versus Benavidez. You're not alone in that sentiment.
But hopefully you're listening to the to the show and
you've listened from the beginning and reconsider. If Canelo dominates

(46:18):
and stops Crawford, you gotta give him credit, dude. You
have to. Just like I gave Lomachenko credit for doing
what he did against Rigo, I will give Conelo credit
if you could do something similar to Crawford. Now, I'm
with you. If Canelo barely beats Crawford, a lot of
people in the media are gonna hype it up because

(46:40):
it's gonna help them get clicks and all. They're gonna say,
oh my god, he's back, He's you know, he's back,
this is the prime Candelo's back, blah blah blah. But
a lot of more astute fans like yourself and myself
would say, he kind of did what you were supposed
to do, bro right, So it'll be hard to give

(47:00):
him that much credit. I'm with you. I'm with you.
I wouldn't say it's a waste of time though it's
one of the biggest fights he could do. Honestly, that
is the most winnable fight. There's more, there's more winnable
fights for Canelo, but not this big. This is the
perfect combination for him of a winnable fight that's a

(47:22):
big fight, you get what I'm saying. So, David Benavitez
would not have been as big of an event on
a global basis as this fight. I know that sounds crazy,
but it's true. Commercially, this fight will be bigger and
in a lot of ways. You know, Crawford will get
more credit for beating I'm sorry, Canelo will get more

(47:44):
credit for beating Crawford because Crawford's a bigger name, He's
highly rated, He's a pound for pound guy, right, and
the diehard fans from the Mexican American fan base are
going to be really, really engaged this matchup. The die
hard African American fan base, which is there for Crawford,

(48:05):
is going to be fully engaged in this fight. So
you're going to have some hardcore fan bases that are
really really dial in here and a lot of casual
fan interest too.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
So I think you know, Canelo Benavidez would have been
huge in Mexico, huge with Mexican Americans outside of that
diehard fans, of course, but casuals they don't know who
David Benavidez. They might not know who Crawford is that much,
but they know him. After that Spence fight, particularly again

(48:36):
in the black media complex, Crawford got a lot more
name recognition and that's going to carry over into this promotion.
Trust me on that. Okay, rue Ken asks, what do
you think of what Turkey said about running away? Is
referring to that Tom and Jerry tweet and maybe I
can you know what, Maybe I'll look that up and

(48:57):
share my screen. So let me see if I can
find that tweet real quick. Let me read the rest
of this question. He says, seems like he's trying to
be the down of boxing mob reference and control even
the boxers. He's not a real fan and he only
wants dudes to stand and bang. I guess Money talks though,
say goodbye to defensive fighters, and then Dasgab responds to

(49:21):
him and says running is not engaging. At the end
of the day, boxing is fighting, and in my opinion,
the less we have of jab retreat, faint retreat, jab
clinch and repeat type of fighters in the sport, the
more healthy. The sport will be no running rule would
not affect fighters with great footwork and positioning, if that's
what you were worried about. Completely agree with that response.

(49:45):
By the way, and real quick, I want to see
if I can find Turkey's tweet. I might not be
able to find this guy's because I'd have to probably
scroll back too far. Uh, let me try. Wait, I
found it. I found it. Let's share my screen again

(50:05):
so you guys can see this. Okay, I'm gonna read
Turkey's tweet, and then I promise I'll give you my
thoughts on your question. I just want to give full context.
So Turkey says, from this point on, I don't want
to see any more Tom and Jerry type boxing matches
where one fighter is running around the ring and the
other's chasing it. We can no longer support these kind
of fights with rion season and the ring. We want

(50:27):
to support fighters who leave it all in the ring
and if I with heart and pride. So again, that
triggered some folks because they took it as a dog
whistle targeting certain fighters. I don't think it was that
at all, you know, certain culture of fighters. I don't
think it was that at all. I think he was
referring to what we saw in that New York card okay,

(50:51):
which by the way, there was fighters of several different
cultures in those two main events. There was a main
event Comaine. It was kind of a co main event, right,
and it wasn't targeted that one group of I mean,
they all shit the bed, right, So I think what
Turkey's trying to Listen, Turkey is a promoter at this point, right,

(51:15):
and he's promoting. He's talking to the fans. He's saying
things that the fans want to hear. Now, I would
refer to you a name that I've used a lot
in the show, a fighter that I think is criminally underappreciated.
Chris Bird, an undersized heavyweight in the previous era that

(51:35):
fought both Klitchko brothers, fought Lad twice actually, and he
didn't run. He was extremely defensive. He had to be
because he was an undersized heavyweight. He couldn't rely on power,
but he relied on skills, movement, all of that. But
he'd sit in the pocket and make guys miss. He'd

(51:57):
use some lateral movement, he would move about ring, but
he wouldn't run. Chris Byrd to me in a modern era,
showed how you can stay in the pocket and be
slick and defensive and all that and also be entertaining
because he'd get in there and move his head and
he'd make these big guys miss and it was really

(52:18):
entertaining to watch because he'd be right in front of
him a lot of times. He'd be up on the
rope sometimes and just making these guys look foolish, and
then he'd touch them a couple of times and move out,
and it was entertaining even though he wasn't knocking guys out.
So you can fight defensively and tactically or I should
say technically and win and be impressive and be exciting

(52:43):
and interesting to watch. You can do that. I think
what Turkey's talking about is I'm sorry, but Devin Haney,
schakor Stevenson. I mean some of these guys in their
recent fights. What fight was It was Steven's and it
might have been two fights ago where he and the
opponent like set CompuBox records that the punch out put

(53:06):
was so low, and he's had a couple of those, right,
And this is a guy that on paper he was
a massive favorite against and it's the same thing with Haney.
That's the kind of thing that Turkey's talking about. And
you know what, I think most fans agree with that sentiment.
I think that they agree with they want to see action,

(53:28):
So I get what Turkey's saying there and don't take
it too much to heart. He's being a promoter. But
instead of having guys like the jerk off who was
over at showtime boxing to ran it into the ground right,
that guy would be online. Espinosa, Steven Espinosa would be
on X arguing with fans, like literally having arguments and

(53:53):
like shouting matches on X with fans who would criticize
his product. Turkey is at least listened because he got
dreamed after that New York card. I mean, he got
just reamed right by the fans. So he's talking to
the fans here. He's actually listening and responding, and he's
doing it in an intelligent way. He's doing it kind

(54:15):
of like a politician would do it. There's some deflecting
and stuff going on, but he's actually handling it way
better than someone like Espinosa has in recent years. This
is the way you should talk to fans. So I
applaud Turkey for handling it this way, and I totally
agree with his sentiments here. Now, is it going to

(54:35):
always translate to the ring that way? Probably not, but
I think that it's a smart thing to do while
you're trying to promote and speak to the fans. So look, guys,
my wife brought me a paroni and it's in a
Peroni glass. My brother Anthony loved paroni. So every now

(54:57):
and then I don't really drink, you know, once or
twice a month, I have my have a drink or two.
But every now and then, you just got to do
a beer in honor of my brother. I do that,
especially on a day like today where I wish you
could be here for my birthday so I miss him.
What's crazy? Is? You know? Coming up later this year
this November will be five years since my brother died. Wow,

(55:22):
So I'll definitely be having one of these on that day.
But anyway, I'm going to enjoy this. Gonna jump to
the phones. I think we got hot men on the
phone here. Let's pick up his call. All right, seven,
nine and six, you're on the show. What's up?

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Illo?

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Mike correct solution of this.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Existed.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
See your post?

Speaker 1 (55:44):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (55:46):
I was in a way it was I see you
a post? I think you is on YouTube? Do you
we post on YouTube?

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yeah? I posted a couple of things. I'm a couple
of social media things. Is today just kind of celebrate
my birthday a little bit. I got in my my
birthday workout. Every birthday early in the morning, I do
a hard workout. So I went to the box and
gym and got that in. It's just a tradition that
I love to do and my wife does it too,

(56:15):
And so I got my workout in and now I'm
going to have my beer. So it's up.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Yeah, I was. I was just thinking, like the sheep
going for your age. I don't know, maybe it's a
society or how people are now, Like even myself, I
think about getting back into spot it because like you're
in a really good sheep for your age. But if
you walk around the streets or somewhere here like someone

(56:42):
a lot, then you So I don't know. Maybe I
think people or the society I just don't tick kill themselves.
I think yeah, I love.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
People, especially Yeah, you were. I guess it's the whole
Western world, right, I will say, yeah, having kids has
made me want to fight harder to stay in shape
and stay youthful because I have to set an example
for them. And I might sound corny, but you know,

(57:16):
I want to be in shape to be able to
play with them and do things with them and be
active with them. I mean, my daughters are two and
a half and one and a half. If I if
I let myself go now, by the time they're teenagers,
you're going to be able to like walk, you know.
So yeah, I'm just trying to stay jacked. I want
to be the most jack dad that they in their class,

(57:39):
you know. So that's the goal.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Yeah, yeah, you know is bus training is definitely one
of the best reads just seeing cheap I do miss
spun and for like over ten years, I just I
stopped doing books and bringing but I was thinking about
getting back into it because I don't miss getting hits
by do this just the whole adrenaline of getting in
the ring. Then yeah, if you do have another fight,

(58:06):
like let me know, because oh yeah, age like that's
quite impressive. I don't I don't think many's many pros
even doing that. By eache, you get todd when you're
in your thirties and I'm like, tulkies.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah, it's uh. I will say this. I think I
talked about this on my last video, but this last
camp that I had, I did start to feel my age.
It has crept up. And it might just be because
I'm a dad now and I'm getting up all that,
I'm not getting sleep as much and stuff, but man,
I felt it. So if I do another fighter too,

(58:42):
that's going to be it. I'm not going to do
this for much longer. You know, I'm always going to
go to the boxing gym, but I'm not going to
be sparring and doing that stuff for much longer because
I'm really starting to feel it. Where man, I would
just be sore. I could take the punches and all that,
but it would be like the next more I'd wake
up like, oh shit, it felt like a car hit

(59:03):
me sometimes. So yeah, that's the difference.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Yeah, that's one thing that don't The pain you feel
often was like that was one with a head gun
without the head gun.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Well that's a great question. So this last camp, the
first week or two, I used the head gear. But
I hate the head gear. I hate it. It just
limits your visibility. It actually makes your head a bigger target.
So I started sparring without it, and you know, my
coach was like, okay, but you know, if let's see

(59:37):
how it goes. And it went better. But I was
sparring better without the head gear. And you actually tighten
up on defense because you feel like, okay, I don't
want to get hit. And you get more marked up.
You know, you get more bruises and stuff. But like
your skin toughens up and it gets harder and you
get callouses and all that. And the last ship but

(01:00:00):
the guy pulled out of a fight like ten days
before the fight. The last week of sparring, my face
was holding up great, and there might be a couple
of red marks. The next morning I wake up to
be gone. So I actually preferred going without the head gear.
It just helps you prepare for the fight pro fight better.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I think it makes you streat a lot more. Well,
I didn't like make threats.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Exact you make it. It's just it's just awkward. I
just hate it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Yeah, it's like a big helmet on top of the head. Yeah,
it's the uncomfortable feeling. But going to Boxton, I was
just thinking, I'm kind of glad like with the crop
in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
That's a fight.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
I think it's thirty point Saudi as someone else. Yeah,
I think you could definitely have valid criticism even though
it's in money, but you've got to market to the
right audience or demographic, and this is a fight that
belongs to Vegas. I just hope I understand the fight
with probably not do the same numbers as the title
provide bios.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Who don't have the same problem.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
We had to amestics and last time I couldn't even
log into my Netflix account, so I just had to
watch it, I think on my phone or in a
different weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Yeah, I think Netflix is fixed some of that ship
because there are a lot of people who had trouble.
Really around the world. People were bitching about that, so
I hope they they got some of those things worked out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Yeah, I don't think that I will google was sixteen
or seventy million if it doesn't even have I think
that's accept fifty million. Was that seventy million in America?
Was that seventy million hard the world? Because it's that's
just in America. That's pretty impressive. But I don't know
if those are numbers because I forgot to check. Those
numbers were global views I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Google at the beginning of the show, and I think
in America it was thirty million or so, and then
globally it was almost seventy million. That's live. I think
it's a buying your ship was like one hundred million
or something globally. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
In regarding the fight, like, how would you compare if
cof Covid wins, I kind of do agree with you.
Depends how he wins, I think then there's an argument
for him and one and two or what they would be.
I do think Canelo was a better fighter than Fury overall.
Maybe not as big and the size disadvantage was much bigger.

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But I do think even this vision of Canelo, you
could make a valid argument is a better vision than
Fury because Fury, I just think he was totally overrated
by some people. Very good fighter and is either, but
I just don't would never class him as the old
type k I do think Canello you could still class
him as an old time great even this vision, because

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he hasn't to my knowledge, lost that super middleweight. But
if Covid does beat him, would you say Cofort deserves
more credit than the division that maybe because I know
some Canelo fans already see Canelos past this prime, but
they were also saying that canelosamiliar it Beach was too
green to an experienced twenty three. I think there's a like,

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there's some valid agmond on both sides, But for me,
I would probably give Proper more credit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
How do you think that I probably would give Crawford
more credit. I mean, we would have. Again, it's how
he wins. Mayweather was a smart enough businessman and matchmaker
to understand that he needed to fight Canelo at that
time and not let him get into his prime and
really really find himself. So he fought Canelo when he was,

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as you mentioned, twenty three. And you know the the
Mayweather fans will say, well, Crawford or Canelo had already
won belts and he was a champion. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You look at his resume and who he had fought
up until that point, fighting Canelo fighting may whether there
was a quantum leap in the level of opposition at

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that time. Look if if Crawford beats Canelo, even like
I mentioned before, even at this stage of his Canelo's career,
even though he's past his best. He's still Crawford's best opponent.
So Crawford is the commercial B side. He's moving up
to weight classes, he's fighting his best opponent, he's fighting

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for an underspeeded championship. Yeah, I'd probably give Crawford more
credit if he beats Canelo.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Yeah, yeah, I'd probably because he's jumping up two divisions.
He's never that super middleweight with when the mean of
the there was already fight the word I think once
or twice at junior middlewary and that car and can
I think I only really beat them maybe Austin Trump
the rest of those winds rising the pet that point. Yeah,

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well going by me.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
With his words.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
This is what he said before the fight, Like I remember,
I read like I think there's two articles because I
was really looking forward to that card, Danny Garcia. Look
at the piece of the under card that I remember
reading the whole red madicine and then I found a
preview and the Son owned Sun newspaper, and maybe were
these words were he fought Matthew Actor, was Jose Miguel

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Cutter and I fought Miguel Cutter and Rickie Aten. So
he he was already alluded that this was a calculated fight.
I still give him credit for how he won, but
I I don't think he knew what he was doing,
like when he thought it at that time. Because Aello,
I don't think it was anywhere near the same fight
as I fought a lot of King or Jacobs or

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those guys. Whether or not he would ever beat maybe,
I'd probably still would saying no, I want fifty four
because I just don't think his style would suit up.
I think maybe they got him at the right time
to make him look how he did that night. But
with cow for that, I don't think Colford could win
this fight. I would probably say is water even matchup?

(01:06:11):
But I agree with you, like the sick WoT a
year ago or two years ago, I was heavily favoring Canelo,
like a lot of people keep going over the Madramo
of right to me, Madromov and Canelo don't find nothing
like like do you do you think there's any company
because Canelo's foot took is much slower and madroum of
I think got faster. The only thing I would see

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is Canelo probably moves his head a lot better and
probably it's harder like I think Madroom is probably quicker
than him as well with the hand street on the
foot street as well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Yeah, I agree with you on that. Some people have
tried to make this comparison between Madromov and Canelo, and
I don't really see that. Again, I think Madromov has
a lot more Victor post All on him in terms
of style exactly, of course, But I think Canelo I
would command.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
I would command him probably.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Of course. But I'm just talking about in terms of
opponents that Crawford has fought guys he's actually fought, right,
So I just think that that kind of style gives
him trouble. He just it's it takes him a while
to catch up to it. Canelo's not going to fight
the same way. I mean, what Canelo was doing during
his super middleweight run where he was winning all the

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belts is he was just stalking these taller, longer guys,
stalking them and nailing them to the body. He's not
going to be able to fight Crawford that way, right,
And he's slowed down with that style these last few
fights anyway. So again, how man, I think we could
wind up with in a fight that's very dull, where

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both guys are kind of standing there fainting and trying
to get a counter off, trying to bait the opponent
into throwing something so they can counter it. I hope
we don't, but but stylistically that's probably what we're gonna get,
at least through the first half of the fight.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Yeah, it's possible, but I don't expect to to to
fight like the casual fans of the fans that expect
like this is not the fight that would have been
like between Canelo and Bena Vite. So maybe in Crawford
and Boots because of the styles, but I do think
they could be betterfy the people like I think because
I've never seen Crawford's running a fight. The only fight

(01:08:32):
I thought he was a bit too negative was the
Pastal fight that I honestly think that was kind of
how good of a fight the Postal was because I
remember he knocked out Lucas Matiz and Danny Garcia wanted
no part of it. He was a very good fight.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
That Yeah, that all things considered, how mad that still
might be Crawford's best win.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Seriously, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, on paper, you debates that,
but still that was a good win.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
But that that's why I was.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
About ten years ago. I don't know if corporate could
uses legs as much as he was that night. But
I also those in Canelos the same fighter like I
though can't win pretty much most of those rounds I
know can't got completely wiped out. And that's I ended,
like it's not a he's not a six trouble fights.
But I even back then Canelo has trouble. I think

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the guys with fast speak, and if I think if
Canelo can knock him out, I think COVID winers unless
they do what they did to Penatic with Chavez. I
just I just don't see this Canelo busy enough or
quick enough to pull the trigger. Like he's still a
very good fighter, and stylistically he may even give guys

(01:09:47):
like benevidees if they were to fight that sixteen eight
or even seventy five. They're depending on if there's a realization,
because maybe even still trouble. But the way he fights
and the way he's always that trouble if not in
the ring off just being effective about like trying to
catch people who are moving away or slipping and slide.
I think COVID can win this and even make him

(01:10:09):
look quite bad. It's just a big factor is the
week like, because I think you something to me and
coverd that's for on a low week. But do you
think he did it the right weight putting on his legs,
because I know if he puts all weight on his
shoulders and on that to me would have been a
bad bade like the sea.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Yeah, I saw Ahmed. You know you sent me that
video recently with Crawford's shadow boxing in the ring, and
I think you saw the same thing I did where
a lot of the weight went to Crawford's legs. And
I don't know what they're doing. I haven't talked to
anyone in their camp, but perhaps he's squatting. One of

(01:10:47):
the things I've done, not to like this about me,
but one of the things I've done recently in my
camps is I'm not doing a lot of upper body weightlifting.
I'm doing a lot of squatting and hour cleans and
stuff to build up my legs and like my core.
And I think if you build that up, you can
keep your speed up top, but you have a power

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base underneath it. And to me, that's what it looks
like Crawford is doing. I know, there's a lot of science,
a lot of that that's kind of a new fad
right now, and some of the sports medicine stuff going on.
The strength and conditioning coaches are big on that, and
so maybe that's what he did because his legs look
bigger to me doing his legs almost look like they
doubled in size. And yeah, I think that's a smart

(01:11:33):
play because you can keep the speed and agility everything
up top, but you have a base underneath it and
it's really going to help on the inside and the clinch.
So to me, it looks like he's on the way.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Funny, that's clical mobility. I just can't remember the last time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
I was gonna his his foot speed is going. There's
going to be a little bit taken off his foot speed.
He's still going to be faster than Canelo, though. I
think that if he was doing this at one point
fifty four, it wouldn't make sense. But for this kind
of matchup in Crawford's he's not planning on fighting two
or three times a year and fighting for several more

(01:12:19):
years right this. This is a career to fighting type
of fight for him, So he's going all out, and
I think that's the right way to build it up,
build that lower body foundation and use that to again.
I think a lot of this fight is going to
be determined in that mid range and perhaps on the inside,

(01:12:39):
and I think it's going to surprise people how strong
Crawford is there. They're expecting Canelo to kind of bully
him in those stretches. I actually think Crawford's going to
more than hold his own at that range. That's just
the way I feel. I see it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Is possible because this fining put in the comfort spot
in I think colors the Damas was like a big
middle weight, and I think he was backing up by Damas.
I don't even think he needs to spend dam much
time on the insact. If you look at how Mayweather
fot Canelo. I know that was like twelve something years

(01:13:17):
ago and it's a different Carnelo, but still he has
the same problems with that style, and Crawford just needs
to follow that game plan of group and just do well,
maybe as it did, but he could do it in
a how do I put a more efficient gave because
he hits I think a lot harder, even though he
never fought a sixty eight but that was going to

(01:13:37):
come to my next one, like, do you think he
should come in a low one sixties or just that week?
Do you think maybe fact on depending on how he
feels because Roy Jones and he moved up. I know
it's only against John Ruiz, but I don't think he
came in at two hundred pot. He's like one ninety
three or one ninety two something like that. So like Crawford,

(01:13:59):
I don't think probably coming over the one sixty limits
should be coming on one two or didn't just coming
heavy as you want.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
It really depends on what he weighs right now, And
I just don't know if if he weighs, you know,
one eighty right now in the gym, then that's gonna
be different. But if he's walking around at one's seventy
two or something right now, then I would I would
agree with you. I just don't know. You know, you
mentioned Roy Jones against Ruiz. That was a matchup for

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Roy depended one hundred percent on speed. That matchup was
all about speed. I don't think that's Crawford's game plan
here because Canelo Crawford's probably a little bit faster, but
not that much. With the hands. I think it's gonna
surprise people that Canelo's hand speed is going to be

(01:14:54):
almost on par. It's gonna be the footwork, the angles,
the spacing in that sort of thing, the positioning that's
going to help Crawford here. And that's why I think again,
he's building up that base and he's gonna not that
he can get in there and push Canelo around. I'm
not saying that, but he can get angles on him
and get counters off. That's where it's gonna be for Crawford.

(01:15:18):
But cobed I got a few other calls, brother, you
got one.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
Question before Yeah, before I go. I do think if
you put Canelo in that place he doesn't like to
like he looker he had on his face where bevol
that even be with the back of him up. I
think if Crawford puts him in that place, he I
think could be really uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
I just wanted to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Touch on the current state of American bucks before I
leave you go, because I know you've got to call it.
I know Davis is going to be the next guy
who could have become a Mackie fighter, But I really
don't know what it's going on in the whole current
like state of American Bucks, because the whole thing, I'm
sure you know what happened and how the event, like

(01:16:00):
just what happened overnight, how we're just all spiraled out
of control. I see as you don't know. Maybe Turkey,
I think, would you agree, needs to be careful with
who he puts his money in, because like I don't
At one point, devinitely had the right mindset and despite
going to Australia fighting Cambosa's fort, Lomachenko made the way

(01:16:20):
to get miss weak like he unified titles, did all
the things he started now to do the same thing
like stunt the joint like they're not taking any countability.
And I just looked around. Maybe there's only good Stennis
Bam and maybe I don't know if I miss someone.
Here's only like about two or three active American fighters

(01:16:41):
champions who are actually behaving like champions. Like what do
you think about the future? What should Turkey do? Because
I see that you think he needs to be careful
even if if we're more open, like he just blatantly
I think turned down the fighter he and then he
like he's playing my games. But do you think he
should just stee away from these fights and stop putting

(01:17:03):
money in in some of the other divisions because we need,
like we need a unification on middleweight. And I don't
know if Trek is done on doing something or even
how do you think Tik should go about them?

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
Before?

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
If if I'm Turkey, I realized I'm the money man,
right and and he's willing. He's shown he's willing to
kind of overpay these fighters to get the right matchup.
If they don't perform, they're gone. And basically it'd be like,
if you want to make money, you got to take

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this level of matchup. So if Haiti wants to come back,
of course, Stevenson, those kinds of guys, they need to
fight each other. It needs to be an elite, high
level matchup or else don't mess with them. If you're
Turkey at this point, bring in the guys who are
making the action and making the big fights. Right. So

(01:17:58):
I just mentioned Fabi Award a minute ago and turns
big into heavyweights. It's like that guy can't be in
a bad fight, so so make you make something with him.
Those are the kinds of guys I think he's going
to start paying, And I think that the problem, the
biggest problem with the American boxers, like these gen Z

(01:18:19):
American boxers is they're just too coddled. They're spoiled, they're entitled.
I'm going to use the P word. They're privileged. They
win a bit and they think that, oh God, the
world owes them a favor, and they don't understand that
this is a business and you're allowed to have an

(01:18:41):
off night here or there. But if you only fight
twice a year and one of those is an off night,
it's really hard to build a fan base. If you
fight five times a year, you have an off night
once a year, that's different. These guys are fighting once
or twice a year. I mean Devin Haney you just
mentioned he fought I think once last year, and I
think that Ryan Garcia a fight really changed things for him.

(01:19:02):
He may never be the same guy. He may always
you know, think about things about getting hit and getting hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
So I don't know, ye, he's I think he's I
think he's done. But the problem is I love these guys,
and normally that's a bad.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, And listen, I was ringside for his
pro debut. I was invested in Keish on Davis. I
was ringside for his I traveled, I was there pro debut,
and I was impressed, and I was like, I'm invested
in this kid. Done. He not only missed weight and

(01:19:40):
blew a huge opportunity, he screwed a whole card and
there were fans that he did not get a refund
most did. He just destroyed his entire and then the
whole thing that happened after the fight done. Done?

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Ye Like, I let you get to the all right,
A man, thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Good?

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
All right, guys, we got uh, we got a few
calls here, but I'm going to jump to Canada to
get Chad's call because he's calling in long distance. I
can hear my my dogs crying. My wife is putting
one of my daughters down. She's screaming. Okay, hopefully you
guys don't hear that. Real quick, I'm gonna jump to Chad. Chad,

(01:20:29):
how you doing, brother Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
Hey man, Great to hear from you, Great to see
you on today.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Happy birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
Yeah. Yeah, look, I'll be quick. I just uh, I
don't have a lot to add about Janello and Crawford
just from everything that's been said. You know, I gotta say,
I guess there approaches, I'm getting a little more curious
about the outcome. And for me, it really just depends
on if we're going to see both those guys in

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there and give us a full on, authentic fight, and
I think if that can happen, it might be a
classic night. Other than that, on the topic of American boxing,
do you want this Canadian's opinion, I think American boxing
is doing fine as far as the talent's there and

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the fighters, and most importantly, the knowledge is there in
the trainers and the coaches.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
That's that's where the US.

Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
Has dominated really in that knowledge, you know. Yeah, yeah,
well that's how I see it, you know. And to me,
the issue is once these guys hit the pro game
and and just the way that everything is set up
now at the pro level. So for example, like you

(01:21:53):
kind of what you were just saying, like, I feel
like these guys are getting over hyped, the hype trained
through social media. It's just how the whole thing is
set up right now. I think the hype and these
narratives get away from the actual fight and the fighters.
And so for example, to give you an example, guys

(01:22:13):
like Shoes Shoe Tiger Johnson. These guys were are great fighters.
They are they're they're they're naturals and in so many ways,
but then they get in there and it's kind of
what you said, Mike, they're not giving us the goods.
They're not delivering on the hype. I think that's the
biggest thing plaguing American botching right now, more than anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
They got to rain that in.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
And uh, the matchmaking. I think with top rank and
companies like that are still doing a great job. I mean,
you look at Keishaan, Uh, he was coming along just fine,
you know, and Mason. There's there's a lot of good
fighters in the States. I just feel like the pro
game is just so convoluted, so crazy with the money

(01:23:01):
and just the whole thing is nuts. The rules are
totally all over the place to whether they get followed
or not.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
I don't know, Mike, what do you think.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
I can't disagree with anything you're saying, brother. I think
a lot of these guys, to use a quote from
my friend Steve Kim, they think they're they hit a
landing pad, but it's really a launching pad. They get
one big win and they think oh god, I've made it.
And they win a belt or something and they think
that they're a star. And that's the thing with social media, right,

(01:23:37):
you could have a following. Let's say you're a fighter
and you have one hundred thousand followers, and your followers
love you and they communicate with you all day. Hey Champ,
you're the best. You're great, right, But the other eight
billion people on the earth have no idea who you are.
And if when you have a big win, you have
to build upon that, it's a launching pad. So that's

(01:24:01):
one issue. I think these guys get a little bit
of money and a little bit of success and they
think they're done. They think the job is done, and
it's not. It's just beginning.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
Then.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
I think there's the The amateur system in America is
such that a lot of guys are being taught touch
your opponent once and get away, land two or three
good shots in the round and stay away and you
win the round. And they don't have to be hard,
just you know, nice straight shot, nice jab one two
down the middle, and then get away, you win the round,

(01:24:36):
You win the fight. And they're taking some of that
to the pros when they're in a difficult situation. You know,
when you're in a tough situation to fight, you go
back to what you know, right, You go back to
what's natural. And for a lot of these guys, their
upbringing is Okay, let me get away, let me stay long,
let me just throw a jab out every twenty seconds
and faint and just stay away. And that's just not

(01:24:59):
going to translate with fans, particularly when you're fighting once
maybe twice a year, and you're in there with a
guy where you're a ten to one favorite. They just
want to see. It's one thing if you're in there
against an elite level guy, you know, that's different because
then you really do have to be careful and you
have to box smart. But when you're in there with

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a ten to one favorite and you're a young contender
or young title holder working your way up, we want
to see that hunger. We want to see that desire,
and you're not seeing that from the American fighters. You're
seeing it from the guys that are from Africa, Latin America,
Eastern Europe, Central Asia. That's where you're seeing that passion.

(01:25:45):
And that's what American fight fans are missing right now.
I mean, can you say, honestly, Chad, is there any
performance with Devin Haney, schakor Stevenson some of these guys
that looked passionate to you or you felt passion there.

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
No, you're you're you're right, man, You're right. And I'll
tell you the fights that excite me the most now
tend to be on the small to mid cards, like
like Raymond Ford and Colmatov. You know, like, look at
look at what they gave us.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
On that night, man, but like how many where are.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
Exactly? No, you're Mike, you're totally right, and and leading
up to the fight there was no interest and then
only after the fight happened did people realize start hearing
about it and go back to look at it. But
you're totally you're totally right, Like for me right now, Yeah,
Crawford and Canelo, it's interesting, it's big, it's exciting, I
guess whatever. But what actually excites me is, uh so

(01:26:43):
seeing now they're gonna put Mason and Noaks in for
the vacant felt the keyshar Yeah, that that excites me.
Uh And then Mike, there's that card now that's coming
up on the sixth August sixteenth, in place of Tea
and Haney. So it's got Taoma against White, and then

(01:27:05):
they got Nick Ball versus Sam Goodman. And then they
got Ray Ford versus Kasachi or Kakachi or however was it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Like for me?

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
Those are the cards I get excited about because I
know the kind of fireworks that can come on the night,
you know. But anyway, look, Mike, I'll let you go
take some other calls and I'll go back to listening.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Man, it was great to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
Great to talk to you, Chad. Have a great weekend, brother,
Good to hear from you. Man. All right, so we
got calls from the UK, we got calls from Canada.
It's global today, baby, I love it. Okay, let me
real quick. I want to hit a couple of these
super chats. So my man, wheelchair John real chairman John says,

(01:27:51):
I wonder if TKO Boxing Promotions that's Dana White's outfit,
can revolutionize boxing. They need to give fight performance bonuses
similar to you have. I like that idea. I don't
even follow you FC, but I do know they give
fight performance and bonuses. Yeah, They're not the only ones
there are. There are some boxing promotions.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
That do that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Some I know some of these like semi pro like
tough man kind of things, like what is David Portnoy's
thing called uh shit, rough and rumble, rough and rough
and ready something like that. One of the guys I
spar with who's actually fighting, he's making his pro debut
tonight up in New York. Shout out to my big Joe,

(01:28:34):
one of my sparring partners. He actually had flew up
the earlier this week. I'll be watching you tonight, Joe.
He did that rough and rowdy thing David Portanois thing
a couple of times, and he got big bonuses for
scoring knockouts and stuff. He had like the performance of
the night and got extra money. He had a knockout,

(01:28:55):
he got extra money. So I think that's a really
smart thing that like, and they're doing that with the
these tough man things. I think maybe pro boxing can
dig into that. Anything you can do to your point, John,
to incentivize guys to just take that extra chance, that's
gonna make people more excited to watch. And that's what

(01:29:18):
it's all about. My man sanch right here, usc trojans
own says, my happy birthday. Tell your diet supplements some protein. Yeah,
so it's ever evolving. It's always changing, Bro, I learned
new things all the time from different people and just
trying new shit. Guys. The whole thing with fitness. I

(01:29:40):
don't want to go down a whole rabbit hole here,
But it's a journey. It's a lifelong journey. There are
no shortcuts. That's something I've had to learn. And there
is no like top of the mountain where you're like,
I've made it. I'm just gonna maintain here because you
get to that point and then you get older and
you have to get to a new point there. It's

(01:30:01):
always an uphill climb and it's a lifelong journey. So
keep that in mind. But right now, Bro, a couple
of things to point out. You do not want spikes
in your insulin, So to combat that with like when
you eat, if you eat a lot of carbs, your
insulin spikes and that causes weight, Kate, I'm not going

(01:30:24):
to get into the whole science behind it, but you
can kind of negate that to a certain you can
mitigate it by when you eat. Every single time you eat, bro, okay,
every meal, make it balanced protein with the carbs so
they stick together. So that pretty much means snackings out okay,

(01:30:49):
Like a lot of times what I would do back
in the day, it's like, man, I'm kind of hungry,
I want to snack. I'll grab an apple. Well, that's
just sugar. That's just sugar. Now, if you eat an
apple right before you go to the boxing gym for
ninety minutes, okay, But if you're home from the boxing
gym and you want to eat the apple, not as good.

(01:31:10):
But if you're gonna eat the apple, maybe a cut
and a half. You eat the apple with a protein shake,
so you have that protein with the carbs, so you
mitigate that insulin spike. So there's that. The whole intermittent
fasting thing is bullshit. That's just another fucking fad that
is just bullshit. But there really should be a twelve

(01:31:32):
hour window in a day where you don't eat in
a twelve hour window where you do it. I don't
believe in this shit where you gotta eat for like
four hours and then starve yourself for twenty hours a day,
and people like to do that's idiotic, especially if you're
doing boxing training, which is so demanding on your body.
You gotta have fuel. So I literally get up, bro,

(01:31:54):
seven ish in the morning, get my kids up, get
them fed whatever. Eat back is probably around eight. We
eat dinner around six, and then that what fourteen hours
I'm not eating, So there is a time where my
body is just processing everything and breaking it down where

(01:32:17):
I'm not eating. Some people are like, eat eight meals
a day whatever. Honestly, dude, lately I've just been eating
three meals a day. But I eat breakfast, lunch, dinner.
That's it. It just it's a no brainer, dude. Just
limit the sugar. Every now and then I'll do a
couple of cookies. Like it's my birthday today, I'm probably

(01:32:41):
gonna have a cupcake. You know what I'm saying. But okay,
that's it. If if I have something like that, I'll
have it before I go to the gym and work
that shit off. High protein. You have to have carbs,
but limit it particularly later in the day. Have more

(01:33:03):
carbs early on and less later in the day, and
just have those balanced meals. Dude. Since I've one of
my coaches told me never just eat carbs or never
just eat sugar, and it sounds so simple, right, You're like, well,
no shit, but sometimes you need to hear it. It's like, okay,
add protein every single time you want to sit down

(01:33:25):
and eat some pasta protein shake or steak with it
something to combat that. So that's a big one. In
terms of supplements. I really don't do any dude. I
guess creatine counts, okay, So I will take creatine and
I used to only do it before I lifted, but
now I will do like a little scoop of creatine

(01:33:46):
every day because it's healthy for your brain function. And
then I do multivitamin and protein shakes. That's pretty much it.
It's pretty much it, dude, Keep it simple, Keep it simple. Mine, Keith,
what's up, my brother? Thank you so much for the
super chat, he says silent Mike Bone Company. I don't

(01:34:07):
know you not see me today, Mikomel. I appreciate it.
Aaron Gortman with the super chat. My man eron. It's
three forty am here in Launston, woken up baby, happy
forty six, big Mike. Appreciate that, brother, And uh ah,
I know what that's like, bro, I know what that's like,

(01:34:28):
three forty am. Up in the morning, changing a diaper,
screaming baby good time. The thing is, bro, I know
you know this now. It wouldn't change it for anything
in the world. Super chat from Alexander. Thank you so much, brother,
I appreciate it, he says, Happy birthday, Mike. I'm not
sure if this has been talked about, but if there

(01:34:50):
is no drug testing for Pachio Barrios, Hakia will take
that one. Also, if I am Turkey, I would only
offer HAINI highest fight. Yeah, regarding Pacchio Barrios, Dude, I
don't know what to think about that. As far as
I know, there's no testing. That promotion really doesn't do

(01:35:11):
any so I don't know. But why is This is
obviously a I hate to use the word set up
a phrase setup because it sounds bad. I don't mean
it in a negative context. But this is a showcase,
a setup for Paccio to come back at this advanced

(01:35:35):
stage and win a world time. That's what this is.
Will it work out for him? I don't know. Obviously,
a prime Pachia beats the brakes off of Barrios at
this point, I don't know what to expect, but I
gotta say it's not a fight I'm particularly interested in.
I may watch a replay or something, but I'm probably

(01:35:55):
not going to watch that one Live and Turkey with Hani. Yeah,
Haini Matthias, I don't even know if that's worth watching
at this point, Dude. To me, Hany has to like
kind of prove himself to me as a fan to
get interested again. That's just kind of where I'm at.
That's where I'm at with a lot of American fighters

(01:36:16):
right now, Dude, I've really lost interest in a lot
of it. There's only a handful of matchups and fighters
that I'm particularly interested in right now. In the Sport
super chat from Jay Nell's Thank You So Much, he says,
I worry that the Crawford versus Canela fight will be
boring because of the style matchup. Yeah. I hit on
that earlier, man. It definitely has the potential to be

(01:36:42):
a stinker if you look at these guys, not only
their styles and mentalities, but where they're at. For Canelo,
it's where he's at in his career. For Crawford, it's
that he's moving up in wait and fighting a larger
opponent who's been in there with bigger guys recently. That
may lead to us having a dull fight. For the

(01:37:03):
casual fan that tunes into this expecting fireworks. Yeah, this
isn't gonna be Gotti war. It's just not. It's not
going to be hagler hers. Okay, Uh, let's take a
couple of quick calls, guys, we gotta run through these.
Let's jump to you that. What's up?

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Brother?

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
How you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
You know my happy Friday thirteenth?

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
Brother? Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
I had birthdays on it too. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
You think about it?

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
Yeah? The uh yeah, the pre workout, man, the sweet
potato is the best thing. As soon as you wake up, bang,
then a half hour later, pot of coffee, half hour later,
go to the gym. You'll have the best workout ever.
And then you have your protein, your and your complex carbs. After.
If you have that routine down, you're you're gonna be
set because it's all a matter of what type of
carb you eat. The sugar content and the sweet potato

(01:37:55):
is the best thing for you. Just to burn it up.
It's like tinder in a in a furnace light up.
So for the the younger guys out there still doing it,
it's a good Uh. It's a good combo.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
So even I old guys.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
Stretch younger guy. I see these dudes walking around like
like they can't move their neck and ship, it's like stretch, dude, Yeah, stretching,
and these guys walk up to be like, holy ship,
how are you doing that? Because like I was doing
full body stretches. I had my my like leg underneath

(01:38:32):
my back, like is doing that. I don't know what
you call that stretch? And then they're like, holy ship, dude.
For a big guy, you're flexible. And I'm like, I've
had to work at this ship and it's one of
the reasons why I'm still healthy. Stretch guy, yoga movement.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Yeah, yeah, I used to do that stuff too, and yeah,
it's flexibility is key.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
It keeps you healthy. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
You're your joints and your your tendon. People forget about
the tendon and the joints, which well, then well I'll
talk about with Crawford.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Oh god, I was just going to say, then I'll
shut up. If you If you stretch and you do
those corrective stretching methods, you can get deeper into a lift,
you can go deeper into a squat, you can open
up your hips more so you can work all the
connective tissue and the small muscle is on top of
the prime movements and that's what keeps you healthy. It
may not look as sexy as just bodybuilding like some

(01:39:25):
of these dudes that are huge, but it keeps you healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
Need and you know later in life you need that.
Once you cross the turn threshold, it's like around thirty seven,
thirty eight years old, your body kind of you know,
decreases by half, I believe with the pre testosterone. So
people were talking about Crawford and adding the muscle. You know,
I don't think that's such a great thing that he's
doing it. I think naturally he's a he's a guy
who walks around about one seventy seven point eighty because

(01:39:52):
he was posting ten fifteen years ago on a scale
when you find out one's forty, he was like one
hundred and seventy seven walking around. So he did take
off a lot of weight to fight that lightweight. And
he really wasn't a real lightweight, let's be honest, but junior,
junior welter and welter, he was the bigger man usually.
So now he's out in this weight and you have
to ask yourself how snack is involved in this and

(01:40:15):
he's not being drug tested, So let's kind of put
two and two together. I know everybody's kind of doing it,
but to a certain degree. Other people are doing it
and getting away with it while their opponents are being
tested and they can't. So that's something we'll have to
ask about Canelo when this just drug testing was administered
and you know what they're using and you know for

(01:40:36):
drug testing. But back to my point about the tendons
and the joints. When you're adding muscle, it's almost impossible
to grow your tendons and joints. There's only one one
drug out there. I think it's sustening. I have to
remember back, but there's only one thing you can take
to actually repair and build tendons. When you add that

(01:40:57):
kind of weight, you're open to ruptures and you're open
to being so slow, Like your reaction time is going
to be down.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
Crawford's a guy his entire career based on timing and reaction.
With age, that doesn't get better. Your brain, not your body,
is the reaction time it sends. The city, the older
your brain is, the less amount of synapses you have
to send a signal. It comes into play guys at
around thirty seven thirty eight, So he's right, at that point,

(01:41:26):
and I believe that timing is going to be way
off and Canelo has been fighting regularly. Even though Canelo
has passed it. He's not a shot fighter by any means.
He's a real dude, but he's not what he was
in his prime years. I believe the prime years was
the first glove Can fight and then the Caleb plant.

(01:41:47):
Those were the fights he was primed to be able
to fight. Like you said, took it out of him,
and the glove Can fights didn't help either. So he
was coming off those wars, but he still has that
timing and I think he's that right hand is going
to find his mark in that fight. And I think
with all the added weight, Crawford's going to be a

(01:42:07):
little slower. You're not gonna be able to get his
punches off as quick. And his legs, I don't think
they're the same. It's not the same guy that now.
He fought Postal, and he actually ran from Postal, let's
be honest. He did drop him a couple of times
if they were like flash knock downs to the back
of the head and some weird angles, but that was
always his best thing, was his timing and his angles

(01:42:28):
with fighting once a year for the last five years.
I mean, I don't know what snacks got up their sleeve.
I really don't. I can guess what they use. This
is what I would use in a stack HGH test
and anav ar as a come down, That's what I
would use. But they're way way advanced, so maybe they

(01:42:50):
have something that I could mitigate that. But from my standpoint,
I don't think Crawford's going to have the reaction time.
I think he's going to be a split second slow,
and I think canw is going to time him with
that right and whether he can keep him down, because
I believe he will knock him down, and I believe
on those odds Canelo to knock Crawford down is plus
two hundred. I think that's a great that I think

(01:43:12):
he drops Crawford. I don't know if he could keep
him down. We'll see because this Canelo is a little passive.
But who's to say. Maybe he comes alive in this fight.
But people have to ask himselves. Hey, Crawford's been fighting
smaller guys his entire career. Now he's fighting a guy
relative in size. Canal is a little bigger, a little thicker,

(01:43:33):
more muscle, but not necessarily bigger. So will he had
the same effect against a guy like that, I don't
think so. And the odds here that the odds Vegas.
I'm surprised that they're putting out that fight to go
to decision as a two to one favorite. That that's
like you have to put up over two hundred dollars

(01:43:53):
to win back a hundred dollars profit, which is shocking
when there's such a a weight jumping. So they're they're
they're really unready impressions pichoes a distance for whatever reason why.
And Crawford is plus one forty if you bet them straight.
He's plus one thousand if you bet him by knockout,
and he's plus two hundred to win by decision. That's

(01:44:14):
a low a low number, plus two hundred considering he's
plus one forty. So they're thinking, all right, well, if
he's gonna win, he's a win by decision. He's not
gonna knock out Canelo. We kind of figure that Canelo,
on the other hand, is plus three thirty three thirty
to knock Crawford out and then plus one thirty I
think to win by decision. So either way, you have

(01:44:36):
plus money if you pick the outcome. So that's gonna
be a fun fight to bet. And I have like
every every crop on that out at one of my
sites that three six fives they have. They have the
best array of cop that's on that sight that I've
seen so far. So if you do your homework and
you want to get a jump, you know, you start

(01:44:57):
start your parlays now and then you could you know,
finish it with that fight in September. And does that
makes sense Mike, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
Yeah, So it sounds like Vegas is seeing this the
way I do.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
You're seeing it as a decision. Yeah, that's how they're
working at it. So with the with the recent the
recency bias, you see both these guys go in a
decision really, I mean proffer every five years. So it's
really hard, you know, to go back to a knockout.
You know it's Spence, it's like three years ago. But anyway, yeah,

(01:45:36):
that's Canelo. He hasn't stopped anyone since planted, so you
know it makes sense. I think I think Canelo will
knock Crawford down and you get a plus two hundred dollars,
you know return. I just don't know about the keeping
down part, because let's be honest, Canello never was a
really good finisher. He was a great knockout artist, one

(01:45:59):
punch guy con and that guy was trained by Anne Wolf.
I mean he blew him out one shot. A lot
of these guys were one shot guy, and Goulo was
stopped standing. But he never really The Plant fight was nice,
and the Saunters fight, those were really nice knockouts. He

(01:46:20):
set them up perfectly. But other than that, that really
wasn't his modus operandi. He was more of a one
punch guy who'll grind you down and beat you by decision.
So it makes sense it does so leading leading up
to this fight, with the fights coming up, and before
before I get to that, I want to address somebody

(01:46:41):
earlier who talked about these bad outcomes and decisions and
weird things like in the Tank Davis fight with with Roach,
he should have been disqualified right there, he should have
been counted as a knockdown. Nothing happened, you know, So
the people who took Roach got ripped off a lot
of bad decisions. Yeah that, you know, the people betting

(01:47:03):
the fights. So yeah, it does have an immediate effect
on who the referee is, who the judges are, who
the commission is, who is promoting the fight. But you
have to you have to be responsible gambler, and you
have to know this. You have to be prepared and
you have to protect yourself by hedging bets. If that's
the case. I remember you and I talked about the

(01:47:25):
Uh it was last year Crawford fought Madromov and on
the inner car it was Ryo Vealezuela versus what's his name,
the little Mexican guy that fought what's his name? Cruise
and uh, I'm like, I think we're agreeing. Go ahead,
Well I got.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
My wife is yelling at me to girl.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
All right, Well I'll leave it all right, Mike. Sorry bro,
but yeah, that's flight. I changed my bet to Valezuela
when I found out who's promoting it wasn't TBC because
TBC wanted the other got to win the decision I got.
But I remember that, yeah, the cruise. Yeah, so so
if you know who's promoting it, you know Turkey is
promoting it. There was no funny business boom. And then
PBC got back at them and put them in with

(01:48:13):
Gary Ajohn Russell and you know they set them up,
so anyway, Mike, all right, I'm sorry you have to go,
but hopefully you know you on more shows. So have
a good day, man, all.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
Right, appreciate it that. Have a good weekend. Brother. All right, guys,
I'm sorry to everyone that's on on the line. I
gotta go help my wife daddy duties. I hope you
guys have a great weekend and we'll do it again soon,
I promise. And I think you appreciate all the birthday shouts.
And I'm going to go help my work with the
kids and then go get lunch and have my birthday.

(01:48:44):
All right, guys, thank you so much for being on
the Live with me. I promise we'll do it again, Sue,
all right. Peace,

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