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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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con fast Break, We've wrapped up almost all of the
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episodes with our summer tour getting ready to release the
newest member of the Southern Conference, Tennessee Tech and head
coach Tobin Anderson and his first year at Tennessee Tech
and of course, first year for Tennessee Tech in the
Southern Conference, coming over from the Ohio Valley Conference, and
it's another full circle moment, so to speak, just in
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terms of I had the opportunity of talking with coach
Anderson and a little bit tongue in cheek because he
was the head coach at Fairleigh Dickinson University. Ah okay, yeah,
and the team that upset Purdue in the NCAA Tournament
a few years ago. And it's the same year in
twenty twenty three that Furman was able to upset UVA
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there on the last second shot by JP Pageese. Well,
my very first coaching job was at Fairleigh Dickinson University
in ten ninety three after I graduated from Clemson. Clefellis
that helped me get in contact with Tom Green up there,
and so I packed up everything moved to New Jersey. Yes,
from straight from Clemson. So yeah, a little bit of
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a culture shock from that standpoint. But I joked with
coach Anderson, well, you know, I mean I helped lay
the foundation right for FDU to beat Purdue, to become
only the second sixteen seed to beat a number one
seed in the NCAA Tournament. And so we had a
good laugh you know at that and again all tongue
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in cheek. Yeah, I didn't have anything to do with it,
but it was fun. My point is that we're getting
ready to release that episode with Tennessee Tech and Tennessee
Tech even on the football side, get ready. Okay, Oh,
they're going to be good. They are going to be good,
and I think in basketball they're going to be a problem.
They are, yes, And I think they're going to be
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a new threat in the Southern Conference on multi layers
in terms of various sports, football and basketball. So I'm
excited for them to come into the Southern Conference because
at the end of the day, it only makes the
Southern Conference better, right, And that's why again, I know
we're in that point where we've had all of these
conferences realign and even some of the Big Boys, when
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you're adding some of the teams from the old Pac
twelve into the Big ten. I'm all for it in
terms of, hey, let's make some of these conferences better,
but I think we're doing it in a way that
logistically it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense
for my traveler, Yes exactly. I mean when you're saying
Stanford and Cola is in the Atlantic Coast conference. I mean,
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it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and not
even just from a name perspective. Doesn't have to be
right on the Atlantic Coast. I'm not saying that right.
He could be closer than the West Coast. Yes, that's
my point is like, Okay, you know, like Georgia Tech's
not on the Atlantic, but at least it's close enough. Yes, exactly,
you're not. You can get to the Atlantic Ocean pretty
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easy versus coming from California to get to the Atlantic Coast. Yeah,
it might take you just a few days, especially if
you're driving. Now. I also do believe though, that we
can look at an opportunity in college sports, and we've
talked about it, that you have a better way to
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organize some of these conferences and shape it, mold it,
whatever you want to call it, in terms of very
similar ways that the NFL has their divisions. Now, again,
don't get me wrong, the NFL for a period of time,
I mean you had the Atlanta Falcons in the NFC West,
and even in Major League Baseball you had the Atlanta
Braves in the NL West. Also, you know, so it
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didn't make a whole lot of sense. And now when
you add teams and the expansion and all that that
allows you to realign and put teams in a better situation. Well,
I mean just even look at the NFL right now
with the NFC East, I mean, got the Dallas Cowboys, right,
I mean, are we saying Texas is in the East? No,
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it's not. But in terms of how things play out
right now, and then the history that you do have
that as far as the Cowboys in that division. So
there are other factors that play into it. But I
do think college football has an opportunity at some point,
and I'm actually hopeful that we get there that we
can have whatever you want to call it, super league
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whatever it is, college Football League, Yeah, forty eight to
sixty teams, and then you can divide into divisions that
are more geographically aligned, just in terms of making travel
a little bit easier, and also just have some of
the better rivalries because they're more regionally focused. If that
makes sense.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah, I mean from that point, you're basically not starting
from scratch in the sense that I mean, all these
schools exist, but starting from scratching.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It's a new league.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
So yeah, you can divvy it up however you want to.
And that's the thing, Like I almost feel like maybe
people worry a little bit about the rivalries, Like there's
no reason you couldn't keep the rivalries and have the
super confidence right like totally, especially since hey, like we're
laying the groundwork, we're making the rules.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
It could literally be whatever we want to.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
If you're worried about bowl games, you keep bowl games
if you wanted them, Like we're it's it's brand new.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, hey, I'll sign up to be commissioner. Yeah, I'm good.
Let's exactly now. And I do think there's a guy
Josh Pate. He's joked the Josh pat College Football Show,
and I had him on my podcast last year Rich
Take on Sports, and he's continuing just to elevate in
terms of his presence and especially being an authority in
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college football. And I really enjoy a lot of his content.
And he's joked about, you know, when he's commissioner, he's
got all of these rules, you know, And uh so
I joke from that side of things, but I do
think he's got some good insight. The point is is
that we need a commissioner. We need somebody. I'm not
saying it has to be Josh Paid or or whatever.
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It can be somebody else. But it doesn't need to
be somebody like Nick Saban. It just doesn't. Yeah, I
think you need somebody who's removed enough from the coaching
side of it, but is well enough in tune from
the business side of it. Yeah, I mean, look at
Roger Goodell. I mean, I know it's more from a
lawyer side of things, and even Adam Silver was a lawyer,
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David Stern from the law side, because at the end
of the day, I mean, contracts are important. Being able
to understand that, you know, so you have to look
at it through a different lens. And it can't just
be oh, this is you know what a coach would think.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Right, And I mean to your point when it comes
to contracts, eventually you move to that Super League, I
think that's also where you've got to make the move
there with players in contracts and look at that that
we really need to kind of nail down this nil
thing that.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
You're gonna have to move away from the wild wild
west of it all.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
And however that looks whatever, it looks like you're probably
gonna want a guy that's in charge that probably understands
it to a degree.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I feel like that would help. And maybe collective bargaining
that would help. That would be nice. Yeah, And also
get away from this mindset that collective bargaining would apply
to every student athlete, right right, And this is where
I get a little frustrated, is that we're trying to
apply one aspect to every student athlete. Guess what, every
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sport is different. So at each university, how they treat football,
how they treat basketball, how they treat women's basketball, how
they treat women's lacrosse versus you know, men's lacrosse. It's different.
So can you have collective bargaining based on the individual sport?
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So you have, oh yeah, college football collective bargaining, and
so those student athletes are part of that. And so
a student athlete that's playing again I'm saying student athlete,
I mean there you go, seriously, I mean student athletes.
I mean that is long gone. Yes, I mean it
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is just somebody participating in classes that plays a sport, right,
That's what it is. The point is is that why
would you have a football player be part of a
quote unquote union or you know some type of athletic
union that you also have, you know, women's volleyball. It
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doesn't make any sense. You need to be able to,
you know, draw the boundaries, so to speak. And you
have your football union, you have your men's basketball union,
you have your women's basketball union, and that's how things
would be accomplished. And those are the entities that are
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negotiating with these leagues, these athletic departments, these universities or whatever,
rather than just trying to say, oh, every student athlete,
because you can imagine how you can to have everybody
agree at that point, never because it's so different. There's
it just doesn't make any sense. But we're still called
up in that narrative, right, Oh, collective bargaining is no
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way it can work because of there's so many student athletes.
Well dive it up, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
I think that's where you're atn inherent disadvantage when you
start lumping it all together with student athletes that I
think for it to work the way we're kind of
envisioning it, you almost have to have a little bit
of a I don't want to say a breakaway of
college football, but college football almost needs to be treated
as its own thing, because it really has become its
own things. It's interesting that we look at student athletes
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and lump it all together, and like we know on
a deeper level that obviously college football, like that's the
money maker that's with these universities, that's their cash cow.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
For the most part.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I mean depending on you know, like some are basketball schools,
I get that, but for the most part, where like
a lot of your money is what's bringing in. When
we talk about these il and these million dollar deals,
oftentimes we're talking about football players for the for the
football teams, and so it's I feel like it does
a disservice to everybody if you lump football in with
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just quote unquote student athletes, because it is such a
bigger piece of the pie. Yes, and and so, and
it's it's interesting that we use this term student athlete
because like, if I were to go back to school tomorrow,
would I be considered a student producer? Like it's it's
a career for these guys. I mean, they're getting paid
for what they do. As far as from the football
side of things, you can absolutely go to a school
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and also have a career outside of that, and I
look at from the football side of things, they're getting
paid for it.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
It's a job that they're no longer.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I mean, they're students quote unquote because they are taking classes,
but they're also professionals.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yes, well we think most of them are taking classes.
And I know the reports are that have come out
now that Leonora Sellers is not taking classes this fall
because he's graduating in December, but he is doing it
internship at a local driving range. Well, that's yep, hey this,
I mean, he's put in the work to be able
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to be in that position that he's going to graduate.
But you're spot on just in terms of why are
we trying to keep lumping you know, these players into
this student athlete identify or whatever you want to call it,
because at the end of the day, as much as
we want to say nil, it is pay for play
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right now, it is. It's not what it was set
out to be name, image and likeness. And we talked
about it yesterday with the pageantry of college football and
the international games, and so in the next segment when
we come back, I want to examine two of the
most iconic entrances in college football, and this is what
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makes it so great and that's why you got to
you have to have these games on campuses so you
can experience this. But I want to hear from the
listeners though which one might be the most iconic entrance.
And one of them might be associated with that team
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down in Columbia and Willie b Yees, So we'll definitely
need to have some of the listeners let me know
their thoughts on that as we continue this Wednesday edition
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six four two four zero five four eight zero. That
is the number there to the Ingles hotline. As we've
been talking about college football and some of the pageantry
associated with that. Because again if you missed the show yesterday,
I talked about it. The international games. Of course, we've
got North Carolina and TCU that will be playing in Dublin, Ireland,
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and I'll watch, but I'm out in international games. I
don't want us to continue focusing on spewing out this
narrative that this is going to help grow the college
football game globally. No, it's not. I mean, now can it. Yes,
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I'm just saying from my perspective, the way you grow
the college football game is that you get to experience
some of the pageantry, some of the moments, some of
the craziness that happens on college campuses. And we talked
about it, the student section, just the tailgating, the marching band,
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you know, all of the tradition and history, and you
know how I feel trade just in terms of, hey,
just because you move into somewhat of this windshield mentality
and not holding on to everything in the past and tradition,
because yeah, we do evolve, and I mean there's so
many things that we don't do anymore that we used
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to do and that it used to be tradition. Oh yeah, yeah,
So traditions can go to the wayside and new traditions
are born. You know, all of those things. But there
is just something about being on a college campus. I
don't know if that tradition is going to die. And
I don't know if yeah, I don't know if it's
technically a tradition, but it's just embedded and baked into
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the game of college football, right that. I mean, that's
one of the ways that it's different than NFL. And
so why try to do something that is similar to
the NFL. And I know it sounds like I'm talking
out of both sides of my mouth in terms of, hey,
we need to model a super league very similar to
the NFL. I'm just saying from a structural standpoint, organization standpoint,
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and how it's run based on where we are in
college athletics, because guess what, we're not going back to
the old way no of college athletics and amateurism. That
sham is done. That's over yet We're way past that now.
So why not go ahead and let's utilize some of
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the I guess structures that are in place that we
know are already working. And hello, the NFL, it seems
to be working. I mean, even NBA, these professional leagues
seem to have figured it out in terms of how
you can have divisions and how you can play for
championships and you play for it out on the field,
you know, on the court, whatever that might be, and
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that's how you determine your champion rather than we're still
in a subjective type of situation with committees, and especially
with football basketball, just because the sheer number with sixty
four teams, sixty eight teams and now it's going to
be seventy six teams. Yeah, it's extremely difficult without some
type of committee to be able to have at large teams.
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So I don't think that is necessarily changing. But that's
what makes college basketball unique. Yeah, And you know, I
think with college football, yeah, it's unique enough, but I
think we're at that point where we can start getting
to a place where it's more similar to the NFL
from the structural standpoint, but from some of the traditions
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in terms of playing on college campuses. Keep going until
it just runs out, yeah, because we don't need to
change that right now. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
And you know, there's something we talk about on the
show quite often that two things can be true at
the same time, right, Like, it can be true that, yes,
I feel like college football would benefit from being structured
more closely to the NFL. I also think that it's
true that the college football doesn't need to follow so
heavily in the NFL's footsteps that it needs to go international.
And to your point, what you're talking about with these traditions,
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some travel, right, like some of the opens with like
the music, Like music travels, and it might feel different
in a neutral site, but you could still kind of
maybe get away with it. But like thinking about Clemson,
like Howard's rock running down the hill, like you can't
take that doesn't work anywhere else, but right there in
debtally like it just doesn't, and you naturally lose that
when you start going international. I also look at it,
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and maybe this is more of a minor thing, but
you talk about some of the unintended consequences oftentimes, and
I do wonder from a rules perspective, do you confuse
an international audience? Does it kind of become a little
bit of a detriment for the NFL. If you've got
the NFL trying to grow internationally, you've got college trying
to grow internationally, and now you've got people that maybe
you're kind of familiar with the NFL and like, oh,
the college is cool. Wait, why is he only doing
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one foot down? What is targeting? What is it like
the rules are inherently a little bit different between the two,
but the game is basically the same.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
That's just from a viewer perspective which you're watching.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I could see that, at least there in the beginning,
confusing quite a lot of international audiences trying to watch
one or the other in both and realizing that the
rules are different.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yes, and I think there was something that we saw
with the FIFA World Cup that was here, Yeah, in
terms of being on American soil and some of the
fans coming across the pond coming to America to watch
and all of the viral videos in terms of they
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got to see BUCkies, They've never seen a Walmart and
just were amazed. And that just made me even realize more.
That's what I'm talking about. Have them come over here
to experience some of those things and they might have
a different viewpoint, because I think a lot of those
people now have a different viewpoint about America because they're
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here in a narrative and until they experience it firsthand,
it it doesn't all that narrative. It could blind them
in terms of what is really accurate.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, I think if you want to grow the game internationally,
from a college football perspective, you're probably better off exposing
international audiences to American culture on college campuses. As far
as my point, you know, videos, viral marketing, that kind
of thing. If you can't get them here, at least
show them what it looks like, make them want to
come here, because that, again, to your point, is the
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beauty of college football.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
It's the campus. It's that home, that just being there.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
And again, like if you take college football over there, like,
what's really the point Because the NFL can travel like
it's just made different, it just is, it's kind of
built for that. But college football, if you travel with
it and take it over there, what do you really
give them other than just maybe a water down version
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of the NFL?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yes, yes, but are they athletically as gifted as some
of the NFL players right? Some yes, because they're going
to be going.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
But like, the big draw of college football is the pageantry.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
It just it's it's it's a whole event. It's really
and you talked about it. Of course I'm a little biased.
As a Clemson grad. Running down the hill is still
for me the most the most exciting twenty five seconds
in college football, as Brent Musburger had coined the phrase
in the eighties, and I definitely believe that, but that's
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I know, I'm biased with that because I got to
experience it and I and I love it right and
all of that. But I know there's other entrances that
are iconic, and especially what we talked about last week
in terms of how music can be such a big
part of it also. And so here's two iconic entrances,
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and I want to I'm want to play both of
them because I want you to experience it. And and
sometimes the audio doesn't really hit you the same way
as of course if you're watching a video and audio combined.
I get that, So just keep that in mind. But
here's Virginia Tech and ter Sandmann.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Doing then that day.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
The man.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Enter Sandman right there Metallica at Virginia Tech. You can't
tell me that's not an iconic type of entrance. And
are you going to be able to take that overseas?
I mean, you could take the music, but it's still
not the same. You could hear, yeah, the crowd singing,
you could hear there. The moment that the team actually
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ran out onto the field. It just changed the decibel
levels just changed, the energy changed, all of that, And
that's the type of thing that I'm talking about. And
Virginia Tech started using under Sandman as the entrance song
in two thousand. August twenty seventh, two thousand, they had
the opener that year was against Georgia Tech and ended
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up that severe weather and lightning actually delayed and then
canceled the game itself. Yes, but that became the tradition
because people were losing their minds about that, and so
there's no doubt that that is one of the most
iconic entrances in all of college football. Okay, so now
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how about this one down in WILLI B Sandstorm? There
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we go Sandstorm. Right, there's iconic. Right, it's one of those. Again.
If you're a South Carolina fan, I know how you
feel about it. My daughter went to South Carolina, so
those were the memories that she has as far as
you know, being at the game, and even Connor Shaw
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has talked about it that it's almost like an out
of body type of experience when you hear that, and
so it became the tradition in two thousand and nine.
But I do remember there in a game, I guess
it was against Ole Miss and they played it in
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the third quarter and Chris Fowler, who was doing the game,
then said, a rave breaks out in Colombia as the
student population, everybody in stands was going crazy there as
they were holding on to a sixteen to ten lead
in that game. And so that's where we go back
to how music and the energy and all of that,
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and that's why again, don't get me wrong, love Running
down the Hill and the band playing all of that,
but when you have the two songs like that, it's
a little different.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Night games.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Oh yeah, I mean it's crazy. And I remember the
Virginia Tech one right after COVID and we had been
playing the previous season with no fansp and so the
following season, the opening game of college football was there
at Virginia Tech and the first time you could have
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a capacity crowd again, And that might have been the
most electric entrance and opening to a college football game
that I can remember, because it wasn't necessarily just about
Virginia Tech and opening the college football season. It was
like letting out all of the emotions and pent up anger, frustration,
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whatever you want to call from COVID, And it was
the release, and everybody was going crazy, even to the
point watching it on TV. I mean you, it was palpable,
just the energy. And that's why I want to know
from the listeners out there, which one is more iconic
Virginia Tech and Inter Sandman or South Carolina and sand Storm.
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And it's interesting both of them have sand hey too, yeaheah,
isn't that crazy? So let me know your thoughts. Eight
six four two four zero five four eight zero. Again
that number is eight six four two four zero five
four eight zero. Let me know which one's more iconic
entrance in college football Virginia Tech, Inter Sandman or South
Carolina Sandstorm. And let's head out to the Ingles hotline
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right now. We've got a caller that's been on hold
the Richmond Weavers show.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Who's this, Hey, rich and Trey. Hopefully you guys are
having a wonderful Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, well, just top.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
You know, there's You're right, you can't. There's one thing
you can import, the game itself. And I don't think
it's a bad thing to import these games, you know,
football to the rest of the world, because I think eventually,
I think football is going to be the most popular
sport in the world, and not in our last times Richmond,
probably not in Trey and my Son's a lot time.
But in one hundred or two hundred years now the
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world still stands as we know what I believe that
football would be will will be the most popular sport
in the world because there's an element of violence that
is akin to the old Roman Empire days when they
had you know, those games that they had Dad, And
that's just part of human nature. It just is. You
don't get that in soccer or or even basketball. Both
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those can be physical. I don't want anyone to misconstrue
what I'm seeing, but they're not the same type of
physicality that there is in football. So there, you know,
as an element of gladiator in the sport, and I
think that's what sets it apart. So that I do
think imports will Where I agree with you and Tray
a wholeheartedly, is the difference in college football and the
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NFL and everything else, honestly, is that environments matter. And
I you know, I think you know, when Neil was
coming on and doing his segments with you the last
few years, which I hope he does again, you know,
just out of fun. Even if he's not going to
do pisi per se, I want him to do it
just because it's fun. But one thing he always alluded
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to that I completely agree with it. Me and him
had these conversations thousands of times being brothers, you know,
over Thanksgiving meals or whatever exactly. You know, there is
a home field advantage in every sport. You know, are
almost every sport. Now, there are some accessions, but for
the most part, if you're playing at home, it gives
you an advantage that you don't have on the road.
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But I think that there is a bigger home field
advantage in college football than there is an NFL and
college basketball, in an NBA or anything else. I'm just curious,
do you guys agree with that?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
It knows which one are you asking, college football or
college basketball.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I think there's a bigger home field advantage in college
football than there is in any other sport.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yes, and that's right. I think overall, I would agree
with you. I think there's probably a few situations or
a few arenas in college basketball that would give you
a bigger advantage, like Cameron Indoor State there at Duke
and Allen Field House at Kansas. I think those are
(33:06):
you know, two iconic type of places for whatever reason,
and especially Cameron Indoor Stadium. I've been to games there
and I mean you're right on the bench and you
can't even hardly hear the coach talk. I mean it's
that loud depending on the situation. But overall, I agree
with you, Billy. I think the crowd when you've got
(33:27):
eighty ninety thousand, even when you've got seventy thousand fans
all in Unison, man, that can be intimidating. It just
really can.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Yeah. Well, and you know I've heard Neil say, you know,
during your shows and then like I said, during you know,
family get togethers or whatever, that he feels like in
the NFL is three to five, maybe sometimes as many
as seven points, depending up on the team in the atmosphere.
In Common's football it can be up to two touchdowns difference.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I could see that, and I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Listen, there are exceptions to these, There's no doubt about that. Yeah,
I agree with those two two the Kingdom mina instantly
before you even said it, those two in Kansas and
at Durham. You know, obviously that's big home court advantages
in college basketball, but I think, you know, there's more
than just a few in college football. I mean you
can name them throughout the country, which it's not even
an SDC thing or a Southeastern thing with the acc
(34:21):
into STEC. I mean, go to Oregon, that is a
tremendous home field advantage in the Northwest. And I was
listening to the show before you guys, and Colin Cowherd
at the end of the show was talking about it. Well,
you know, they don't even have a recruiting base in
the state of Oregon. They get their players from other places.
That's right, But that just goes to prove that college
football is the exception with the pageantry of the atmosphere
(34:44):
on everything. And so I just don't think, you know,
without those seventy to one hundred thousand screaming fans, those
people overseaved or you know, even in North America, if
you go to Canada or Mexico, it's not the same
environment that it would be here at home.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It's just not it's not. Yes, And I remember years
ago I used to do a guy's trip where we
would identify, you know, one new college football stadium to
go to each year, and the first couple of years.
It was more about, Hey, we wanted to get good tickets,
(35:21):
so we picked games where it's a little bit easier
to get tickets. And it was still great, don't get
me wrong, but Billy, we quickly realized that those games
they didn't have the same type of punch as if
you went to like a Clemson South Carolina game, or
if you went to Auburn, Alabama or I mean you
(35:44):
My point was that like going to Notre Dame and
have them play Penn State, I mean that was a
big game. We went to Penn State one year and
they were playing Alabama. I mean those type of games,
that's where you really get the opportunity of understand the
pageantry and the tradition and being on campus. And that's
(36:05):
where you just can't get that in any other sport,
in my opinion, just the over consuming aspect of its.
NFL is going to have their their fans, but it's
just not the same. Billy, and I know we're almost
kind of saying the same thing, but I'm just giving
you a perspective of first hand experience.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Right Well, this is the way I look at it, Like,
you can go into a college football game, any big
college football game atmosphere. It doesn't matter, you know. And
I'm not going to just name South Carolina or Plainton
or Virginia Tech or places that are you know, regional
or local, because it happens throughout the country. I believe
this in my heart and soul. Just watching it on
TV different places I haven't been that, I can just
(36:44):
tell that they have tremendous atmospheres. But I know from
firsthand experience going to both of those places and Virginia
Tech too, that when you can go in there with
low energy, you can be sick, not feeling well, you
can just have you know, you can be tired or whatever.
And once they start playing those interests exactly, you just
(37:05):
automatically get energetic. It doesn't matter who you are, I know,
and I can only imagine how those kids on the
field seal. I think that they feed off of that,
and I think that plays them the bi home build
advantages throughout the country.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Oh, it definitely does. And that's what we were talking about, Billy,
just in terms of music and how that can be
a part of it. And that's just one factor. So
it's the music, it's the crowd, it's the energy of
the crowd. And that's why. I mean, there's so many
times as coaches and even players, there's something about, you know,
(37:38):
if you're playing at home when you have some of
those teams that it's a lackluster game. Again, it's hard
for some of these players at times to manufacture the energy,
like they have to amp themselves up. But in those
big games that you're talking about, they don't have to.
It just it hits them and the mindset just completely
(37:59):
ship and changes. And that's the beauty of what you're
talking about as far as home field advantage.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
And then you know that music that you're talking about,
those entrances or whatever that Listen, I'm biased, obviously, I
love obviously two thousand and one in sandstorms, so uh,
that's been going on for the better part of my life.
And I'm an old man now, you not seeing the
storm Obviously they added that, But two thousand and one
started as far as I can remember, back into the
you know, even Buck the Black Ants days of the
(38:29):
early eighties. Though you know that's been going on for
a long time. But I can't lie. I do love understand, man, Listen.
I tend to like rock more than anything, and I
just it has a beat to it that mission. It
feels like you want to run through a wall when
you start hearing music. So, you know, one thing I
will say about about Lane Stadium though, it's this similar
to Queensland. Is really tall and it didn't thread out,
(38:52):
you know, like vertically. It's like up and down stacks
and you feel like if you fall, you're gonna fall
like off the you know side of Grand Brought the Mountain.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
So that's right, it's gone to.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
A little frightening. I don't know if you've ever remember
that stadium very swimular to me that the Memorial Stadium, Yes.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
No doubt. I mean it's like a forty degree slant
as far as yeah, so I mean it's it's very steep.
It might not be forty, but it's yeah, it's pretty close.
And yeah, and to your point, I didn't even mention
two thousand and one because that is actually you know
how South Carolina. I mean, that's how you get in
the moment before sandstorms. It's the two thousand and one
(39:29):
and it's the build up, you know. From that standpoint,
I think that's been around since the eighties.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Billy, Yeah, well, I think they started that during the
fire Ants time in eighty three or eighty four, Yeah,
with Jen Morrison. So that's when I remember, and you know,
that just made that place to go into a tezy
and that was one of the first ones I remember.
I don't remember anyone doing anything like that prior to that.
I think maybe USC did the Trojan March, which I love.
(39:55):
I mean that makes you feel a certain way too.
You know, these are all they make people get in
feelings that you're probably fabricated, they're not real, but you
still feel it if you go into those stadiums like you.
For instance, did you go to a big game at
Coincident and they starting to run down the hill playing
Tiger Rag, I know you get cold. She you just
can't help it.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I don't care who you are, Billy. I can tell
you when my son, my oldest one, who's twenty six now,
and we he was at his first game, and again
he has no memory of this. I mean I'm holding him.
That's how it was. He didn't even need a ticket
or whatever. And now he might have been a little
bit older than that, because I remember holding him and
(40:33):
as Tiger Rag played, you know, they come running down
the hill. I mean I turned to my wife at
the time and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm
I think I'm gonna start crying because I'm holding my
son the tiger's running down the hill. I'm like, I'm embarrassed,
But I mean I'll drop a tear and cry at
any movie basically that has any emotions to it or whatever.
(40:55):
But yes, you're right. I mean, you just have those
feelings and you can feel it. It's like building up
each and every moment as it gets closer to the
team running out on the field.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Well, they're fabricated emotions, but they're real at the time.
I can tell you that. That's why I can promise
you that because I fail them too. I mean, you
know we're not alone, Richmond. We don't have to be
embarrassed because you know what, there's eighty thousand people or
more they feel every college football season. So anyway, listen,
I know you guys got to get to a great,
great topic. Take care of guys.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Thank you, Billy, We appreciate it. And anybody else out there,
you can give us a call. Let me know you
have any memories as far as either with Sandstorm or
with Enter Sandman two thousand and one, whatever it might be,
or do you have another iconic entrance, Please let me
know because I'm just trying to figure out which one
(41:49):
might be the most iconic, and it's hard. I don't
know if you can actually decide, because I mean there
is an aspect of you know, beauties in the aya,
the beholder, you know, yes, subjective and where your bias is.
But again, as much as I love Clemson's entrance and
running down the Hill, I mean I miss that Clemson
(42:12):
doesn't have something like this, yeah, with the music associated
with it, and as Billy was talking about, I mean,
there is something enter Sandman. I mean, it just has
that that beat to it that just yes, it just
builds and builds and builds and until it explodes, Yes exactly,
That's that's part of it. And you could hear that.
(42:33):
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terms of I had the opportunity of talking with coach
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was the head coach at Fairleigh Dickinson University. Ah okay, yeah,
and the team that upset Purdue in the NCAA Tournament
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and so I packed up everything moved to New Jersey. Yes,
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(03:13):
a culture shock from that standpoint. But I joked with
coach Anderson, well, you know, I mean I helped lay
the foundation right for FDU to beat Purdue, to become
only the second sixteen seed to beat a number one
seed in the NCAA Tournament. And so we had a
good laugh you know at that and again all tongue
(03:33):
in cheek. Yeah, I didn't have anything to do with it,
but it was fun. My point is that we're getting
ready to release that episode with Tennessee Tech and Tennessee
Tech even on the football side, get ready. Okay, Oh,
they're going to be good. They are going to be good,
and I think in basketball they're going to be a problem.
They are, yes, And I think they're going to be
(03:56):
a new threat in the Southern Conference on multi layers
in terms of various sports, football and basketball. So I'm
excited for them to come into the Southern Conference because
at the end of the day, it only makes the
Southern Conference better, right, And that's why again, I know
we're in that point where we've had all of these
conferences realign and even some of the Big Boys, when
(04:19):
you're adding some of the teams from the old Pac
twelve into the Big ten. I'm all for it in
terms of, hey, let's make some of these conferences better,
but I think we're doing it in a way that
logistically it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense
for my traveler, Yes exactly. I mean when you're saying
Stanford and Cola is in the Atlantic Coast conference. I mean,
(04:42):
it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and not
even just from a name perspective. Doesn't have to be
right on the Atlantic Coast. I'm not saying that right.
He could be closer than the West Coast. Yes, that's
my point is like, Okay, you know, like Georgia Tech's
not on the Atlantic, but at least it's close enough. Yes, exactly,
you're not. You can get to the Atlantic Ocean pretty
(05:02):
easy versus coming from California to get to the Atlantic Coast. Yeah,
it might take you just a few days, especially if
you're driving. Now. I also do believe though, that we
can look at an opportunity in college sports, and we've
talked about it, that you have a better way to
(05:23):
organize some of these conferences and shape it, mold it,
whatever you want to call it, in terms of very
similar ways that the NFL has their divisions. Now, again,
don't get me wrong, the NFL for a period of time,
I mean you had the Atlanta Falcons in the NFC West,
and even in Major League Baseball you had the Atlanta
Braves in the NL West. Also, you know, so it
(05:46):
didn't make a whole lot of sense. And now when
you add teams and the expansion and all that that
allows you to realign and put teams in a better situation. Well,
I mean just even look at the NFL right now
with the NFC East, I mean, got the Dallas Cowboys, right,
I mean, are we saying Texas is in the East? No,
(06:07):
it's not. But in terms of how things play out
right now, and then the history that you do have
that as far as the Cowboys in that division. So
there are other factors that play into it. But I
do think college football has an opportunity at some point,
and I'm actually hopeful that we get there that we
can have whatever you want to call it, super league
(06:29):
whatever it is, college Football League, Yeah, forty eight to
sixty teams, and then you can divide into divisions that
are more geographically aligned, just in terms of making travel
a little bit easier, and also just have some of
the better rivalries because they're more regionally focused. If that
makes sense.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah, I mean from that point, you're basically not starting
from scratch in the sense that I mean, all these
schools exist, but starting from scratching.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It's a new league.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
So yeah, you can divvy it up however you want to.
And that's the thing, Like I almost feel like maybe
people worry a little bit about the rivalries, Like there's
no reason you couldn't keep the rivalries and have the
super confidence right like totally, especially since hey, like we're
laying the groundwork, we're making the rules.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
It could literally be whatever we want to.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
If you're worried about bowl games, you keep bowl games
if you wanted them, Like we're it's it's brand new.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, hey, I'll sign up to be commissioner. Yeah, I'm good.
Let's exactly now. And I do think there's a guy
Josh Pate. He's joked the Josh pat College Football Show,
and I had him on my podcast last year Rich
Take on Sports, and he's continuing just to elevate in
terms of his presence and especially being an authority in
(07:40):
college football. And I really enjoy a lot of his content.
And he's joked about, you know, when he's commissioner, he's
got all of these rules, you know, And uh so
I joke from that side of things, but I do
think he's got some good insight. The point is is
that we need a commissioner. We need somebody. I'm not
saying it has to be Josh Paid or or whatever.
(08:00):
It can be somebody else. But it doesn't need to
be somebody like Nick Saban. It just doesn't. Yeah, I
think you need somebody who's removed enough from the coaching
side of it, but is well enough in tune from
the business side of it. Yeah, I mean, look at
Roger Goodell. I mean, I know it's more from a
lawyer side of things, and even Adam Silver was a lawyer,
(08:23):
David Stern from the law side, because at the end
of the day, I mean, contracts are important. Being able
to understand that, you know, so you have to look
at it through a different lens. And it can't just
be oh, this is you know what a coach would think.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Right, And I mean to your point when it comes
to contracts, eventually you move to that Super League, I
think that's also where you've got to make the move
there with players in contracts and look at that that
we really need to kind of nail down this nil
thing that.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
You're gonna have to move away from the wild wild
west of it all.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
And however that looks whatever, it looks like you're probably
gonna want a guy that's in charge that probably understands
it to a degree.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I feel like that would help. And maybe collective bargaining
that would help. That would be nice. Yeah, And also
get away from this mindset that collective bargaining would apply
to every student athlete, right right, And this is where
I get a little frustrated, is that we're trying to
apply one aspect to every student athlete. Guess what, every
(09:27):
sport is different. So at each university, how they treat football,
how they treat basketball, how they treat women's basketball, how
they treat women's lacrosse versus you know, men's lacrosse. It's different.
So can you have collective bargaining based on the individual sport?
(09:47):
So you have, oh yeah, college football collective bargaining, and
so those student athletes are part of that. And so
a student athlete that's playing again I'm saying student athlete,
I mean there you go, seriously, I mean student athletes.
I mean that is long gone. Yes, I mean it
(10:08):
is just somebody participating in classes that plays a sport, right,
That's what it is. The point is is that why
would you have a football player be part of a
quote unquote union or you know some type of athletic
union that you also have, you know, women's volleyball. It
(10:31):
doesn't make any sense. You need to be able to,
you know, draw the boundaries, so to speak. And you
have your football union, you have your men's basketball union,
you have your women's basketball union, and that's how things
would be accomplished. And those are the entities that are
(10:52):
negotiating with these leagues, these athletic departments, these universities or whatever,
rather than just trying to say, oh, every student athlete,
because you can imagine how you can to have everybody
agree at that point, never because it's so different. There's
it just doesn't make any sense. But we're still called
up in that narrative, right, Oh, collective bargaining is no
(11:13):
way it can work because of there's so many student athletes.
Well dive it up, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
I think that's where you're atn inherent disadvantage when you
start lumping it all together with student athletes that I
think for it to work the way we're kind of
envisioning it, you almost have to have a little bit
of a I don't want to say a breakaway of
college football, but college football almost needs to be treated
as its own thing, because it really has become its
own things. It's interesting that we look at student athletes
(11:39):
and lump it all together, and like we know on
a deeper level that obviously college football, like that's the
money maker that's with these universities, that's their cash cow.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
For the most part.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I mean depending on you know, like some are basketball schools,
I get that, but for the most part, where like
a lot of your money is what's bringing in. When
we talk about these il and these million dollar deals,
oftentimes we're talking about football players for the for the
football teams, and so it's I feel like it does
a disservice to everybody if you lump football in with
(12:13):
just quote unquote student athletes, because it is such a
bigger piece of the pie. Yes, and and so, and
it's it's interesting that we use this term student athlete
because like, if I were to go back to school tomorrow,
would I be considered a student producer? Like it's it's
a career for these guys. I mean, they're getting paid
for what they do. As far as from the football
side of things, you can absolutely go to a school
(12:36):
and also have a career outside of that, and I
look at from the football side of things, they're getting
paid for it.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
It's a job that they're no longer.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I mean, they're students quote unquote because they are taking classes,
but they're also professionals.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yes, well we think most of them are taking classes.
And I know the reports are that have come out
now that Leonora Sellers is not taking classes this fall
because he's graduating in December, but he is doing it
internship at a local driving range. Well, that's yep, hey this,
I mean, he's put in the work to be able
(13:09):
to be in that position that he's going to graduate.
But you're spot on just in terms of why are
we trying to keep lumping you know, these players into
this student athlete identify or whatever you want to call it,
because at the end of the day, as much as
we want to say nil, it is pay for play
(13:30):
right now, it is. It's not what it was set
out to be name, image and likeness. And we talked
about it yesterday with the pageantry of college football and
the international games, and so in the next segment when
we come back, I want to examine two of the
most iconic entrances in college football, and this is what
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makes it so great and that's why you got to
you have to have these games on campuses so you
can experience this. But I want to hear from the
listeners though which one might be the most iconic entrance.
And one of them might be associated with that team
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down in Columbia and Willie b Yees, So we'll definitely
need to have some of the listeners let me know
their thoughts on that as we continue this Wednesday edition
of the Richmond Weaver Show presented by Ingles Markets here
on one oh four nine Fox Sports Upstate live from
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six four two four zero five four eight zero. That
is the number there to the Ingles hotline. As we've
been talking about college football and some of the pageantry
associated with that. Because again if you missed the show yesterday,
I talked about it. The international games. Of course, we've
got North Carolina and TCU that will be playing in Dublin, Ireland,
(15:24):
and I'll watch, but I'm out in international games. I
don't want us to continue focusing on spewing out this
narrative that this is going to help grow the college
football game globally. No, it's not. I mean, now can it. Yes,
(15:46):
I'm just saying from my perspective, the way you grow
the college football game is that you get to experience
some of the pageantry, some of the moments, some of
the craziness that happens on college campuses. And we talked
about it, the student section, just the tailgating, the marching band,
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you know, all of the tradition and history, and you
know how I feel trade just in terms of, hey,
just because you move into somewhat of this windshield mentality
and not holding on to everything in the past and tradition,
because yeah, we do evolve, and I mean there's so
many things that we don't do anymore that we used
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to do and that it used to be tradition. Oh yeah, yeah,
So traditions can go to the wayside and new traditions
are born. You know, all of those things. But there
is just something about being on a college campus. I
don't know if that tradition is going to die. And
I don't know if yeah, I don't know if it's
technically a tradition, but it's just embedded and baked into
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the game of college football, right that. I mean, that's
one of the ways that it's different than NFL. And
so why try to do something that is similar to
the NFL. And I know it sounds like I'm talking
out of both sides of my mouth in terms of, hey,
we need to model a super league very similar to
the NFL. I'm just saying from a structural standpoint, organization standpoint,
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and how it's run based on where we are in
college athletics, because guess what, we're not going back to
the old way no of college athletics and amateurism. That
sham is done. That's over yet We're way past that now.
So why not go ahead and let's utilize some of
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the I guess structures that are in place that we
know are already working. And hello, the NFL, it seems
to be working. I mean, even NBA, these professional leagues
seem to have figured it out in terms of how
you can have divisions and how you can play for
championships and you play for it out on the field,
you know, on the court, whatever that might be, and
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that's how you determine your champion rather than we're still
in a subjective type of situation with committees, and especially
with football basketball, just because the sheer number with sixty
four teams, sixty eight teams and now it's going to
be seventy six teams. Yeah, it's extremely difficult without some
type of committee to be able to have at large teams.
(18:25):
So I don't think that is necessarily changing. But that's
what makes college basketball unique. Yeah, And you know, I
think with college football, yeah, it's unique enough, but I
think we're at that point where we can start getting
to a place where it's more similar to the NFL
from the structural standpoint, but from some of the traditions
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in terms of playing on college campuses. Keep going until
it just runs out, yeah, because we don't need to
change that right now. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
And you know, there's something we talk about on the
show quite often that two things can be true at
the same time, right, Like, it can be true that, yes,
I feel like college football would benefit from being structured
more closely to the NFL. I also think that it's
true that the college football doesn't need to follow so
heavily in the NFL's footsteps that it needs to go international.
And to your point, what you're talking about with these traditions,
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some travel, right, like some of the opens with like
the music, Like music travels, and it might feel different
in a neutral site, but you could still kind of
maybe get away with it. But like thinking about Clemson,
like Howard's rock running down the hill, like you can't
take that doesn't work anywhere else, but right there in
debtally like it just doesn't, and you naturally lose that
when you start going international. I also look at it,
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and maybe this is more of a minor thing, but
you talk about some of the unintended consequences oftentimes, and
I do wonder from a rules perspective, do you confuse
an international audience? Does it kind of become a little
bit of a detriment for the NFL. If you've got
the NFL trying to grow internationally, you've got college trying
to grow internationally, and now you've got people that maybe
you're kind of familiar with the NFL and like, oh,
the college is cool. Wait, why is he only doing
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one foot down? What is targeting? What is it like
the rules are inherently a little bit different between the two,
but the game is basically the same.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
That's just from a viewer perspective which you're watching.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I could see that, at least there in the beginning,
confusing quite a lot of international audiences trying to watch
one or the other in both and realizing that the
rules are different.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yes, and I think there was something that we saw
with the FIFA World Cup that was here, Yeah, in
terms of being on American soil and some of the
fans coming across the pond coming to America to watch
and all of the viral videos in terms of they
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got to see BUCkies, They've never seen a Walmart and
just were amazed. And that just made me even realize more.
That's what I'm talking about. Have them come over here
to experience some of those things and they might have
a different viewpoint, because I think a lot of those
people now have a different viewpoint about America because they're
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here in a narrative and until they experience it firsthand,
it it doesn't all that narrative. It could blind them
in terms of what is really accurate.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, I think if you want to grow the game internationally,
from a college football perspective, you're probably better off exposing
international audiences to American culture on college campuses. As far
as my point, you know, videos, viral marketing, that kind
of thing. If you can't get them here, at least
show them what it looks like, make them want to
come here, because that, again, to your point, is the
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beauty of college football.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
It's the campus. It's that home, that just being there.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
And again, like if you take college football over there, like,
what's really the point Because the NFL can travel like
it's just made different, it just is, it's kind of
built for that. But college football, if you travel with
it and take it over there, what do you really
give them other than just maybe a water down version
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of the NFL?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yes, yes, but are they athletically as gifted as some
of the NFL players right? Some yes, because they're going
to be going.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
But like, the big draw of college football is the pageantry.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
It just it's it's it's a whole event. It's really
and you talked about it. Of course I'm a little biased.
As a Clemson grad. Running down the hill is still
for me the most the most exciting twenty five seconds
in college football, as Brent Musburger had coined the phrase
in the eighties, and I definitely believe that, but that's
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I know, I'm biased with that because I got to
experience it and I and I love it right and
all of that. But I know there's other entrances that
are iconic, and especially what we talked about last week
in terms of how music can be such a big
part of it also. And so here's two iconic entrances,
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and I want to I'm want to play both of
them because I want you to experience it. And and
sometimes the audio doesn't really hit you the same way
as of course if you're watching a video and audio combined.
I get that, So just keep that in mind. But
here's Virginia Tech and ter Sandmann.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Doing then that day.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
The man.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Enter Sandman right there Metallica at Virginia Tech. You can't
tell me that's not an iconic type of entrance. And
are you going to be able to take that overseas?
I mean, you could take the music, but it's still
not the same. You could hear, yeah, the crowd singing,
you could hear there. The moment that the team actually
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ran out onto the field. It just changed the decibel
levels just changed, the energy changed, all of that, And
that's the type of thing that I'm talking about. And
Virginia Tech started using under Sandman as the entrance song
in two thousand. August twenty seventh, two thousand, they had
the opener that year was against Georgia Tech and ended
(26:03):
up that severe weather and lightning actually delayed and then
canceled the game itself. Yes, but that became the tradition
because people were losing their minds about that, and so
there's no doubt that that is one of the most
iconic entrances in all of college football. Okay, so now
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how about this one down in WILLI B Sandstorm? There
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we go Sandstorm. Right, there's iconic. Right, it's one of those. Again.
If you're a South Carolina fan, I know how you
feel about it. My daughter went to South Carolina, so
those were the memories that she has as far as
you know, being at the game, and even Connor Shaw
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has talked about it that it's almost like an out
of body type of experience when you hear that, and
so it became the tradition in two thousand and nine.
But I do remember there in a game, I guess
it was against Ole Miss and they played it in
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the third quarter and Chris Fowler, who was doing the game,
then said, a rave breaks out in Colombia as the
student population, everybody in stands was going crazy there as
they were holding on to a sixteen to ten lead
in that game. And so that's where we go back
to how music and the energy and all of that,
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and that's why again, don't get me wrong, love Running
down the Hill and the band playing all of that,
but when you have the two songs like that, it's
a little different.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Night games.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Oh yeah, I mean it's crazy. And I remember the
Virginia Tech one right after COVID and we had been
playing the previous season with no fansp and so the
following season, the opening game of college football was there
at Virginia Tech and the first time you could have
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a capacity crowd again, And that might have been the
most electric entrance and opening to a college football game
that I can remember, because it wasn't necessarily just about
Virginia Tech and opening the college football season. It was
like letting out all of the emotions and pent up anger, frustration,
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whatever you want to call from COVID, And it was
the release, and everybody was going crazy, even to the
point watching it on TV. I mean you, it was palpable,
just the energy. And that's why I want to know
from the listeners out there, which one is more iconic
Virginia Tech and Inter Sandman or South Carolina and sand Storm.
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And it's interesting both of them have sand hey too, yeaheah,
isn't that crazy? So let me know your thoughts. Eight
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that number is eight six four two four zero five
four eight zero. Let me know which one's more iconic
entrance in college football Virginia Tech, Inter Sandman or South
Carolina Sandstorm. And let's head out to the Ingles hotline
(30:28):
right now. We've got a caller that's been on hold
the Richmond Weavers show.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Who's this, Hey, rich and Trey. Hopefully you guys are
having a wonderful Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, well, just top.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
You know, there's You're right, you can't. There's one thing
you can import, the game itself. And I don't think
it's a bad thing to import these games, you know,
football to the rest of the world, because I think eventually,
I think football is going to be the most popular
sport in the world, and not in our last times Richmond,
probably not in Trey and my Son's a lot time.
But in one hundred or two hundred years now the
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world still stands as we know what I believe that
football would be will will be the most popular sport
in the world because there's an element of violence that
is akin to the old Roman Empire days when they
had you know, those games that they had Dad, And
that's just part of human nature. It just is. You
don't get that in soccer or or even basketball. Both
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those can be physical. I don't want anyone to misconstrue
what I'm seeing, but they're not the same type of
physicality that there is in football. So there, you know,
as an element of gladiator in the sport, and I
think that's what sets it apart. So that I do
think imports will Where I agree with you and Tray
a wholeheartedly, is the difference in college football and the
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NFL and everything else, honestly, is that environments matter. And
I you know, I think you know, when Neil was
coming on and doing his segments with you the last
few years, which I hope he does again, you know,
just out of fun. Even if he's not going to
do pisi per se, I want him to do it
just because it's fun. But one thing he always alluded
(32:03):
to that I completely agree with it. Me and him
had these conversations thousands of times being brothers, you know,
over Thanksgiving meals or whatever exactly. You know, there is
a home field advantage in every sport. You know, are
almost every sport. Now, there are some accessions, but for
the most part, if you're playing at home, it gives
you an advantage that you don't have on the road.
(32:23):
But I think that there is a bigger home field
advantage in college football than there is an NFL and
college basketball, in an NBA or anything else. I'm just curious,
do you guys agree with that?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
It knows which one are you asking, college football or
college basketball.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I think there's a bigger home field advantage in college
football than there is in any other sport.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yes, and that's right. I think overall, I would agree
with you. I think there's probably a few situations or
a few arenas in college basketball that would give you
a bigger advantage, like Cameron Indoor State there at Duke
and Allen Field House at Kansas. I think those are
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you know, two iconic type of places for whatever reason,
and especially Cameron Indoor Stadium. I've been to games there
and I mean you're right on the bench and you
can't even hardly hear the coach talk. I mean it's
that loud depending on the situation. But overall, I agree
with you, Billy. I think the crowd when you've got
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eighty ninety thousand, even when you've got seventy thousand fans
all in Unison, man, that can be intimidating. It just
really can.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Yeah. Well, and you know I've heard Neil say, you know,
during your shows and then like I said, during you know,
family get togethers or whatever, that he feels like in
the NFL is three to five, maybe sometimes as many
as seven points, depending up on the team in the atmosphere.
In Common's football it can be up to two touchdowns difference.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I could see that, and I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Listen, there are exceptions to these, There's no doubt about that. Yeah,
I agree with those two two the Kingdom mina instantly
before you even said it, those two in Kansas and
at Durham. You know, obviously that's big home court advantages
in college basketball, but I think, you know, there's more
than just a few in college football. I mean you
can name them throughout the country, which it's not even
an SDC thing or a Southeastern thing with the acc
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into STEC. I mean, go to Oregon, that is a
tremendous home field advantage in the Northwest. And I was
listening to the show before you guys, and Colin Cowherd
at the end of the show was talking about it. Well,
you know, they don't even have a recruiting base in
the state of Oregon. They get their players from other places.
That's right, But that just goes to prove that college
football is the exception with the pageantry of the atmosphere
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on everything. And so I just don't think, you know,
without those seventy to one hundred thousand screaming fans, those
people overseaved or you know, even in North America, if
you go to Canada or Mexico, it's not the same
environment that it would be here at home.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It's just not it's not. Yes, And I remember years
ago I used to do a guy's trip where we
would identify, you know, one new college football stadium to
go to each year, and the first couple of years.
It was more about, Hey, we wanted to get good tickets,
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so we picked games where it's a little bit easier
to get tickets. And it was still great, don't get
me wrong, but Billy, we quickly realized that those games
they didn't have the same type of punch as if
you went to like a Clemson South Carolina game, or
if you went to Auburn, Alabama or I mean you
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My point was that like going to Notre Dame and
have them play Penn State, I mean that was a
big game. We went to Penn State one year and
they were playing Alabama. I mean those type of games,
that's where you really get the opportunity of understand the
pageantry and the tradition and being on campus. And that's
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where you just can't get that in any other sport,
in my opinion, just the over consuming aspect of its.
NFL is going to have their their fans, but it's
just not the same. Billy, and I know we're almost
kind of saying the same thing, but I'm just giving
you a perspective of first hand experience.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Right Well, this is the way I look at it, Like,
you can go into a college football game, any big
college football game atmosphere. It doesn't matter, you know. And
I'm not going to just name South Carolina or Plainton
or Virginia Tech or places that are you know, regional
or local, because it happens throughout the country. I believe
this in my heart and soul. Just watching it on
TV different places I haven't been that, I can just
(36:44):
tell that they have tremendous atmospheres. But I know from
firsthand experience going to both of those places and Virginia
Tech too, that when you can go in there with
low energy, you can be sick, not feeling well, you
can just have you know, you can be tired or whatever.
And once they start playing those interests exactly, you just
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automatically get energetic. It doesn't matter who you are, I know,
and I can only imagine how those kids on the
field seal. I think that they feed off of that,
and I think that plays them the bi home build
advantages throughout the country.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Oh, it definitely does. And that's what we were talking about, Billy,
just in terms of music and how that can be
a part of it. And that's just one factor. So
it's the music, it's the crowd, it's the energy of
the crowd. And that's why. I mean, there's so many
times as coaches and even players, there's something about, you know,
(37:38):
if you're playing at home when you have some of
those teams that it's a lackluster game. Again, it's hard
for some of these players at times to manufacture the energy,
like they have to amp themselves up. But in those
big games that you're talking about, they don't have to.
It just it hits them and the mindset just completely
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ship and changes. And that's the beauty of what you're
talking about as far as home field advantage.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
And then you know that music that you're talking about,
those entrances or whatever that Listen, I'm biased, obviously, I
love obviously two thousand and one in sandstorms, so uh,
that's been going on for the better part of my life.
And I'm an old man now, you not seeing the
storm Obviously they added that, But two thousand and one
started as far as I can remember, back into the
you know, even Buck the Black Ants days of the
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early eighties. Though you know that's been going on for
a long time. But I can't lie. I do love understand, man, Listen.
I tend to like rock more than anything, and I
just it has a beat to it that mission. It
feels like you want to run through a wall when
you start hearing music. So, you know, one thing I
will say about about Lane Stadium though, it's this similar
to Queensland. Is really tall and it didn't thread out,
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you know, like vertically. It's like up and down stacks
and you feel like if you fall, you're gonna fall
like off the you know side of Grand Brought the Mountain.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
So that's right, it's gone to.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
A little frightening. I don't know if you've ever remember
that stadium very swimular to me that the Memorial Stadium, Yes.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
No doubt. I mean it's like a forty degree slant
as far as yeah, so I mean it's it's very steep.
It might not be forty, but it's yeah, it's pretty close.
And yeah, and to your point, I didn't even mention
two thousand and one because that is actually you know
how South Carolina. I mean, that's how you get in
the moment before sandstorms. It's the two thousand and one
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and it's the build up, you know. From that standpoint,
I think that's been around since the eighties.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Billy, Yeah, well, I think they started that during the
fire Ants time in eighty three or eighty four, Yeah,
with Jen Morrison. So that's when I remember, and you know,
that just made that place to go into a tezy
and that was one of the first ones I remember.
I don't remember anyone doing anything like that prior to that.
I think maybe USC did the Trojan March, which I love.
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I mean that makes you feel a certain way too.
You know, these are all they make people get in
feelings that you're probably fabricated, they're not real, but you
still feel it if you go into those stadiums like you.
For instance, did you go to a big game at
Coincident and they starting to run down the hill playing
Tiger Rag, I know you get cold. She you just
can't help it.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I don't care who you are, Billy. I can tell
you when my son, my oldest one, who's twenty six now,
and we he was at his first game, and again
he has no memory of this. I mean I'm holding him.
That's how it was. He didn't even need a ticket
or whatever. And now he might have been a little
bit older than that, because I remember holding him and
(40:33):
as Tiger Rag played, you know, they come running down
the hill. I mean I turned to my wife at
the time and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm
I think I'm gonna start crying because I'm holding my
son the tiger's running down the hill. I'm like, I'm embarrassed,
But I mean I'll drop a tear and cry at
any movie basically that has any emotions to it or whatever.
(40:55):
But yes, you're right. I mean, you just have those
feelings and you can feel it. It's like building up
each and every moment as it gets closer to the
team running out on the field.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Well, they're fabricated emotions, but they're real at the time.
I can tell you that. That's why I can promise
you that because I fail them too. I mean, you
know we're not alone, Richmond. We don't have to be
embarrassed because you know what, there's eighty thousand people or
more they feel every college football season. So anyway, listen,
I know you guys got to get to a great,
great topic. Take care of guys.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Thank you, Billy, We appreciate it. And anybody else out there,
you can give us a call. Let me know you
have any memories as far as either with Sandstorm or
with Enter Sandman two thousand and one, whatever it might be,
or do you have another iconic entrance, Please let me
know because I'm just trying to figure out which one
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might be the most iconic, and it's hard. I don't
know if you can actually decide, because I mean there
is an aspect of you know, beauties in the aya,
the beholder, you know, yes, subjective and where your bias is.
But again, as much as I love Clemson's entrance and
running down the Hill, I mean I miss that Clemson
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doesn't have something like this, yeah, with the music associated
with it, and as Billy was talking about, I mean,
there is something enter Sandman. I mean, it just has
that that beat to it that just yes, it just
builds and builds and builds and until it explodes, Yes exactly,
That's that's part of it. And you could hear that.
(42:33):
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And also as we'll continue talking about the pageantry, because
I want to hear some from more of the listeners
in terms of which do you think is more iconic
the entrance at Virginia Tech with sandstorm, I mean with
inter Sandman, or at South Carolina with sandstorm, and of
course also two thousand and one, So we're going to
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nine in THE. Nfl And i'll give you a little
bit more. Hint in THE afc nineteen ninety, nine how
many times we, hear, oh you can't beat a team three?
Times that's a bizarre Stat this team went fifteen and
oh against everybody else in THE afc or against THE,
(45:48):
NFL i should, say but they were oh to three
against one team in nineteen ninety. Nine that's the trivia.
Question the text line is eight six four triple seven
ninety five ninety. Three, again the text line eight six
four triple seven ninety five ninety three for your opportunity
to win two tickets To Rob zombie And Maryland manson
(46:09):
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so it's a little bit tighter. Venue, again if you're
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Opportunity got to answer it, though you got to answer
the trivia, question so you have to earn. Them it
could be free, tickets though again the text line is
eight six four triple seven ninety five ninety. Three, again
(46:32):
back in nineteen ninety, nine they were the number one.
Seed there were fifteen and oh against everybody else in THE,
nfl but oh to three against this. Team name the two,
teams the team that went fifteen and oh against everybody,
else and then name the team that beat them three. Times,
(46:53):
okay eight six four triple seven ninety five ninety. Three
as we'll continue This wednesday edition Of The Richmond Weaver
show presented By Ingalls markets right after this break
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