November 25, 2025 • 26 mins
On this Salcedo Storm Podcast:
JOE DIGENOVA IS A FORMER UNITED STATES ATTORNEY FOR WASHINGTON, D.C. AND VICTORIA TOENSING IS THE FORMER CHIEF COUNSEL FOR THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.
JOE DIGENOVA IS A FORMER UNITED STATES ATTORNEY FOR WASHINGTON, D.C. AND VICTORIA TOENSING IS THE FORMER CHIEF COUNSEL FOR THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.
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Speaker 5 (00:42):
Well did you hear the latest coming out of the
left wing rogue judiciary. The cases against James Comy and
Leticia James have been dismissed, my friends by a Clinton
appointed judge. I kid, you not came down. Judge throws
(01:04):
out cases against Trump political enemies. This is a CNN headline,
trump political enemies James Comy and Leticia James citing unlawful
appointment of Lindsay Halligan. Let me address the CNN headline first, because, frankly,
this idea that, oh, because they are Trump enemies is
the reason why they were charged? Oh really? So is
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that the reason why Trump was falsely charged because he
was Democrats enemies? Oh no, we never saw a headline
like that coming out of CNN when the fake charges
are brought against against Trump or the law fair conducted
against Republicans, Arctic frost and all that kind of stuff.
Oh no, no, no, that's all legitimate, right, folks, No,
(01:48):
it's all crap, is what it is. From the CNN article,
A federal judge dismissed the indictments against former FBI Director
James Comy and New York Attorney General Leticia James on Monday,
not because they were innocent, not because they were exonerated.
The judge found that President Donald Trump's appointment of interim
US Attorney Lindsay Halligan and Alexandria Virginia was invalid. How
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can an appointment be invalid? The president has the right
under the constitution to make such an appointment. Trump handpicked
Helligan for the role amid increasing pressure to bring criminal
cases against his political enemies, including Comy and James, Which
is CNN writing, which is absolutely one hundred percent false.
(02:37):
It is one hundred percent untrue. What President Trump has
said is that people who break the law ought to
be prosecuted, and I don't give a shit whether or
not they are Democrats or not. They should be prosecuted.
That this writing by CNN is so biased. The Attorney
General's attempt to install Miss Halligan as inter US Attorney
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for Eastern District of Virginia was invalid. Judge Cameron mcgowran
Curry wrote in her Monday order. According to Currie, all
actions flowing from Miss Helligan's defective appointment, including the diamonds
against Comy and James, were unlawful exercises of executive power.
And hereby set aside under what premise, under what law
can you declare an appointment of President Trump to a
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position in interim appointment, which has every right to do
at the Constitution. How do you, under what statute invalidate
that as a member of the judiciary. There is no
predicate for you to do that. There's no lawful way
for this to happen. So they just do it right.
And the reason why they keep doing this crap, folks,
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is because Republicans are too timid inside the House. They
won't hold these rogue judicial individuals accountable. The members of
the judiciary, the Supreme Court under the George W. Bush appointee,
won't hold them accountable, these Democrats accountable when they undertake
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this type of misconduct. The judge tossed out the cases
without prejudice, leaving open the possibility of the cases against
Combing and James can be brought again, and they will
be brought again. We have this confirmation from the Attorney
General of the United States, Pam Bondy.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Listen to the James James cases being dropped today. Back
in Washington, James Cobey put out a video. He said,
this matters mostly because the message has to be sent.
The President of the United States cold not use the
Department of Justice to target his political entities. Your reaction
to the cases being dropped into that Pacific best sure.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
We'll be taking all available legal action, including an immediate
appeal to hold Leticia James and James Comy accountable for
their unlawful conduct.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Reaction to his statement, I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Going to keep going on this. You know, I'm not
worried about someone who has been sh charged with a
very serious crime. His alleged actions were a betrayal of
public trust.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Damn straight, they were. So there's a ag Pambondi confirming
that there will be an appeal. The Trump administration will
do what Republicans are loath to do, hold Democrats who
broke the law accountable. Sadly, Republicans don't want to hold
Democrat appointees to the judiciary accountable in a similar fashion
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Speaker 5 (09:19):
Today, let me welcome in our legal legals here on
the Chris Elsado Show, Joe Degeneva, former United States Attorney
for Washington, d C. And Victoria Tunsi, the former Chief
council for the Senate Intelligence Committee. You two two for
the price of one.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Good Morning, Good Morning.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
I want you both to comment on a ruling that
the Supreme Court handed down last night. And I'll give
you my amateur take and you give me your professional one. Victoria,
you start the snap program. Lower Court had ruled that
President Trump must violate the law, in my opinion, by
finding money somewhere to fund SNAP. And my understanding is
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that once Congress appropriate it's money, it cannot be repurposed
legally by the executive to do something else. So, in
my estimation, the lower court was commanding President Trump to
break the law. Thankfully, the Supreme Court said, no, you
can't do that. And uh, the forced SNAP funding was
is on is on hold until Congress gets back into
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session and does its job. What's your take, Victoria.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Absolutely agree with you, Chris, I said, Joe, how can
you judge one little settle judge tell the whole government
what to spend while that judge can't And even Katanji
Brown stopped the payment order. Wow, so you know when
she does it, it's going to be stopped.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
It must be off, Joe. Yeah, because this is a
This is the woman who doesn't know what a woman is, Joe.
And so if if it's even obvious to her, I mean,
it must be a no brainer.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
This is pretty rudimentary stuff. The power of the first
rest with Congress, doesn't rest with federal judges. A federal
judge cannot order the executive to spend money that doesn't exist.
This is pretty silly stuff. It's happening, by the way,
at the same time that the Treasury Department under Scott
Bessen is telling the CFPB, that crazy thing that Elizabeth
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Warren created, that they're going out of business shortly because
there's no money from the Federal Reserve to feed them.
What's interesting is you can't feed the CFBB unless there's
a profit at the Federal Reserve, and there hasn't been
a profit for over a year. So goodbye CFPB.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Thank goodness. And by the way, that thing was created
unconstitutionally by Obama, and it was actually ruled on constitutional
by Obama because he created it during a pro forma
session of Congress, which was illegal because he did it
through recess appointment. Yeah, and so I think this is
rudimentary stuff. And and you and I talked about this
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Joe yesterday on the TV show. When a judge makes
a rule like this that basically commands the executive to
break the law, there should be ramifications for that judge.
But we don't have ramifications for judges. How do we
change that?
Speaker 7 (12:12):
Well, what's going on here is the judge is actually
ordering the executive to commit an impeachable offense. And by
doing so, the judge is committing an impeachable offense. This
is ludicrous, and it's time for Congress to exercise its
function after it gets the money situations screwed set up.
The Judiciary Committee needs to start holding impeachment hearings on
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several federal judges, starting with Chief Judge Boseburg in the
District of Columbia and other judges around the country who
have clearly told privately NBC and The New York Times
that they don't like what the Supreme Court is doing.
They've done that anonymously. It's time for Congress to find
out who these anonymous judicial critics of the President and
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the Supreme Court are.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Amen, Victoria, let's you and I talk because you have
been a victim of government overreach, which also deserves to
be punished intensely. Let's talk about Operation Arctic Frost for
those of you out there and who can blame you
for not knowing what it is, because there's basically radio
silence from virtually every Republican out there, with the exception
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of maybe Senator Kennedy and Senator Cruz. Arctic Frost was
the compromising of the federal government. All three branches, legislative, executive, judicial,
to target the entire Republican apparatus. Their crime being Republican,
their crime supporting Trump. And this was an investigation launch
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with no probable cause, completely illegal. People need to start
going to jail for stuff like this comment, if you will,
Victoria on the substance of this, and also on the
silence from the Republicans.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, I'm completely upset with Republicans. They don't know how
to fight. I thought Donald that taught them how to
fight that so many of them don't, at CRUs being
one in Kennedy being one of the exceptions. The interesting
thing about this, Chris, this investigation is that it started
in early twenty two. That was before Jack Smith was appointed,
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because he was appointed in the fall. So Mayy Garland
was in and I always was an ethical since he's
the one that approved the search warm for my home
when he knew I had no relevant documents. But he
started this, and so they should be going after Garland
in addition to Jack Smith, or for archaic Frost.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Well, yes, the failed Supreme Court nominee should be a
prime target. Yeah, Joe, who else would you put on
that list?
Speaker 7 (14:45):
Well, I don't think there's any doubt that Lisa Monico,
who has become really at the center of all the activity.
She was from the Southern District of New York. She
was Barack Obama's one of his chief national security advisors
in the intelligence community. She was Deputy Attorney General under Biden.
She is at the core of this. She needs to
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be the target, as do a bunch of other FBI
senior FBI officials who were part of this and knew
that it was illegal. Christopher Ray is at the top
of the list.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Oh okay, guys, we're talking to Victoria Tunsing and Joe Degeneva,
the legal eagles here on the Chris Salcedo Show, part
of our roster. Let's turn to the Turning Point USA
event that happened at UC Berkeley. It's big news today
that the Trump administration is investigating this. I think one
of my producers yesterday, Victoria said, wait a minute, isn't
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Antifa a domestic terrorist organization? How the hell are the
domestic terrorists allowed Free Reign to walk on to a
college campus and commence with the violence and all the
stuff that they were pulling off. That's I think one
bit of the angle here. The legal angle. What else
is the Justice Department saying in this in this investigation?
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What are they alleging that is going on it places
like UC Berkeley.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Well, harm Meat Dylan, who I've known for a good
many years, was on TV last night talking about the
violations and she criticized, as I did on your show yesterday, Chris,
the conduct of the birthday police. How did they let
this get out of hands? And as I said yesterday,
they don't allow this for abortion clinics, they protect them.
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Why can't they protect people from freedom and speech? Har
Meat said that they were going to use eighteen USC.
Two forty one and eighteen US State two forty two,
and that is interfering with the person's constitutional rights. That's
two forty one and to forty two. Is using the
law right to harm your constitutional rights? And what are
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the police doing? If nothing, They're they're acting under color
of law?
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Joe? Is there a Is there a?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I guess what?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Am I? Look? What's the term I'm looking for? Antifa
has been declared a domestic terror organization, yet they're given
free reign in our streets. Does the word, are the
phrase or the terminology of domestic terrorism really meaningless in law.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
No, Actually, they've been declared an organization and it allows
them to be subject to special scrutiny because obviously when
you have organizations, you have the right of freedom of
association under the First Amendment, so you have to be
careful about how you do it. But it's fairly obvious
that they have foreign funding and that they are acting
at the behest of people from overseas, and so the
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question becomes, even though they are a domestic terror organization
by designation of the President, they also appear to have,
from all available evidence, foreign ties. We have something called
the Foreign Agents Registration Act, which means if you act
on behalf of a foreign entity, person, business, or government,
you must register. I would venture to say that none
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of the people have interested So I assume what's going
on is I assume that the Justice Department has a
secret grand jury which has issued subpoenas for all the
phone records of all of these people that they can identify,
and that they are working their way backwards through the
metadata to find out if there's foreign influence. In the meantime,
it's clear that there's a conspiracy to deny the civil
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rights of the Charlie Kirk people, there's a criminal case
right now, just sitting on the docket ready to go.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
No kidding, And I'm just and this was what my
producer said. These people are domestic terrorists. Why are they
allowed to saunter anywhere in these United States, much less
onto a college campus and undertake terrorist acts like violence
against a guy that was wearing a Turning Point USA
shirt and selling other shirts to other people, that that
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was his that was his crime, and he got the
crap kicked out of him by one of these antifa terrorists.
So I thought it was a very good question.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
The last thing I want to talk about, and I
wanted to spend some time on this is the tariff
to discussion. You guys made some news when a couple
of weeks back you came on the show and you
were reading the tea leaves and how the Supreme Court
had looked at the tariff situation and President Trump's and
the executive's authority over Congress's authority on tariffs. And I
made the point yesterday that the High Court with John Roberts,
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rewrote Obamacare after the entire case before the Supreme Court,
the Obama folks and Jonathan Gruber and others were saying,
it's not a tax, it's not a tax, it's not
a tax, and that to make it constitutional. John Roberts
rewrote it and said, oh, it's a tax, the greatest
tax increase in American history. And then I asked you, Victoria,
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is it plausible as President Trump reveals the price tag
if they reversed the tariffs at looking at three trillion
dollars that we're going to have to pay, that's just
the economic cost right out of our pockets to these countries.
President Trump says it's unsustainable. Could the High Court actually
condemn the United States to financial armageddon?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Of course they could, of course they could. And they
don't care about the costs plus or minus. They don't
look at that. They're going to look at the law.
And the problem is Congress also has terrorists authority. So
it's whether did Congress delegate to the president under AIPA,
the law the Trump used, did Congress delegate to him
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the authority for this conduct with careifs or whatever you
want to call them for the other countries. And we
also discussed, Chris, that the decision could say, well, you
didn't do it right before, but in the future, do
it this way, so they could decide against Trump in
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one way but save the money in another way.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Yeah, and Joe, that was brought up during oral arguments
where somebody, I think it was Justice Amy Cony Barrett,
said what's the remedy? What's the remedy here? And the
people that were said telling telling the Supreme Court that
President Trump doesn't have this authority, they were flummis. They're like, oh,
you mean, what's step two? And they and maybe they
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for the first time realized that if they do whim this,
that it's going to cause even greater upheopal to the country.
So what does your gut tell you is going to
be the result here?
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Well, I don't think there's any doubt that the Supreme
Court is going to rule that the President did not
have this authority. However, they're going to say the record
the legal authority was muddled and unclear, and we had
never ruled in this area, and we had given the
president false hopes by a nineteen seventy six ruling where
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we allowed tariffs by the president in certain circumstances. Since
we did that, and we kind of led him on
we'll find that the tariffs were not legal, but that,
as Victoria said, the only remedy, the only remedy that
we can fashion. We cannot order the government to give
back money to foreign countries. We're going to say in
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the future, you cannot collect tariffs under these laws. You'll
have to figure out other means, which the Trump people
are already doing. So there's not going to be any
payback because if the Supreme Court ordered a payback, I
can assure you that they would be impeached.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Yes, well that which would be fun and it'd be
great talk radio, that'd be for sure. But yeah, guys,
I hope that's the case. So that the current what
is it, seventeen trillion dollars worth of economic activity that
was done under President Trump is maintained, and then going
forward we can we can do things a different way.
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I'm going to open up this this last question to
the both of you. What legal issue have we not
talked about that we should be talking about? Victoria, you go.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
First, Well, I would say the pardons over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Yeah, the part ed Martin.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Recommended to Donald Trump of the people who were on
the Trump legal team. And it's interesting because While it
doesn't have any direct effect to be helpful because these
are state cases, it does have this asset, and that
is this is a federal law. The eighteen eighty eight
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law eighteen eighty seven law, the Electoral count Act, described
how Congress could nix one set of alternative delegates. If
there were two sets of delegates, they could mix one
of them. Well, that means that they were not illegal,
they're legal. So I think the Justice Department should go
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into every state that indicted these people and say this
is federal law. State law doesn't run it, and I
want you to dismiss the case. They should intervene in
every one of these cases.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
No, I concur because frankly, uh, there was there was
precedence in the United States for challenging this stuff. And
I think I'll simplify it for the folks out there.
Remember when the Democrats, you got what's her name, Jasmine
Crockett out there crying now dominion voting machines. It's like,
wait a minute, Uh, people are getting canceled and sued
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left and right for saying that kind of stuff. But
here comes the Democrats. She can say it and there's
nothing happening to her the same the same thing, uh,
the same concept here, I think is at play. There
was precedents and the only reason why it was deemed
criminal was because the Democrats needed something that was politically
convenient for them. And that's not law, that's that's politics. Joe,
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What are we not talking about that? Maybe we should?
Speaker 7 (24:59):
Well, I'm gonna I'm going to agree with Victoria. I
think the pardoning of not only the lawyers involved by
the president, but the electors, the alternate electors who were pardoned,
I think the government should do more. I believe that
these criminal cases brought by the state governments were coordinated
with the Biden Justice Department, and I think the Justice
Department should send should send letters to every one of
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those attorneys general state attorneys general saying, if you do
not drop these cases, we will be impaneling a grand
jury to investigate the denial of the civil rights of
all of these people because their conduct was completely consistent
with federal law, and this was a federal election, not
a state election. And you either need to dismiss these
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indictments or we're going to win panel a grand jury
and start investigating all of this.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
And let's not forget just the basic discussion around pardons themselves.
This is how it's supposed to be done, with the
President evaluating each case, making a determination and signing the
pardon for a crime that had been alleged or had
been committed and adjudicated. And this is how it's supposed
to be done, not through auto pen. Let's all remember
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that too. Joe de Geneva and Victoria tunsing the legal
Eagles here on the Chris Alsato Show. Guys, thank you
very much.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Take care yep now puts a.
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Speaker 5 (00:42):
Well did you hear the latest coming out of the
left wing rogue judiciary. The cases against James Comy and
Leticia James have been dismissed, my friends by a Clinton
appointed judge. I kid, you not came down. Judge throws
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out cases against Trump political enemies. This is a CNN headline,
trump political enemies James Comy and Leticia James citing unlawful
appointment of Lindsay Halligan. Let me address the CNN headline first, because, frankly,
this idea that, oh, because they are Trump enemies is
the reason why they were charged? Oh really? So is
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that the reason why Trump was falsely charged because he
was Democrats enemies? Oh no, we never saw a headline
like that coming out of CNN when the fake charges
are brought against against Trump or the law fair conducted
against Republicans, Arctic frost and all that kind of stuff.
Oh no, no, no, that's all legitimate, right, folks, No,
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it's all crap, is what it is. From the CNN article,
A federal judge dismissed the indictments against former FBI Director
James Comy and New York Attorney General Leticia James on Monday,
not because they were innocent, not because they were exonerated.
The judge found that President Donald Trump's appointment of interim
US Attorney Lindsay Halligan and Alexandria Virginia was invalid. How
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can an appointment be invalid? The president has the right
under the constitution to make such an appointment. Trump handpicked
Helligan for the role amid increasing pressure to bring criminal
cases against his political enemies, including Comy and James, Which
is CNN writing, which is absolutely one hundred percent false.
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It is one hundred percent untrue. What President Trump has
said is that people who break the law ought to
be prosecuted, and I don't give a shit whether or
not they are Democrats or not. They should be prosecuted.
That this writing by CNN is so biased. The Attorney
General's attempt to install Miss Halligan as inter US Attorney
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for Eastern District of Virginia was invalid. Judge Cameron mcgowran
Curry wrote in her Monday order. According to Currie, all
actions flowing from Miss Helligan's defective appointment, including the diamonds
against Comy and James, were unlawful exercises of executive power.
And hereby set aside under what premise, under what law
can you declare an appointment of President Trump to a
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position in interim appointment, which has every right to do
at the Constitution. How do you, under what statute invalidate
that as a member of the judiciary. There is no
predicate for you to do that. There's no lawful way
for this to happen. So they just do it right.
And the reason why they keep doing this crap, folks,
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is because Republicans are too timid inside the House. They
won't hold these rogue judicial individuals accountable. The members of
the judiciary, the Supreme Court under the George W. Bush appointee,
won't hold them accountable, these Democrats accountable when they undertake
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this type of misconduct. The judge tossed out the cases
without prejudice, leaving open the possibility of the cases against
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Reaction to his statement, I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
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public trust.
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that there will be an appeal. The Trump administration will
do what Republicans are loath to do, hold Democrats who
broke the law accountable. Sadly, Republicans don't want to hold
Democrat appointees to the judiciary accountable in a similar fashion
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Speaker 5 (09:19):
Today, let me welcome in our legal legals here on
the Chris Elsado Show, Joe Degeneva, former United States Attorney
for Washington, d C. And Victoria Tunsi, the former Chief
council for the Senate Intelligence Committee. You two two for
the price of one.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Good Morning, Good Morning.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
I want you both to comment on a ruling that
the Supreme Court handed down last night. And I'll give
you my amateur take and you give me your professional one. Victoria,
you start the snap program. Lower Court had ruled that
President Trump must violate the law, in my opinion, by
finding money somewhere to fund SNAP. And my understanding is
(09:58):
that once Congress appropriate it's money, it cannot be repurposed
legally by the executive to do something else. So, in
my estimation, the lower court was commanding President Trump to
break the law. Thankfully, the Supreme Court said, no, you
can't do that. And uh, the forced SNAP funding was
is on is on hold until Congress gets back into
(10:21):
session and does its job. What's your take, Victoria.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Absolutely agree with you, Chris, I said, Joe, how can
you judge one little settle judge tell the whole government
what to spend while that judge can't And even Katanji
Brown stopped the payment order. Wow, so you know when
she does it, it's going to be stopped.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
It must be off, Joe. Yeah, because this is a
This is the woman who doesn't know what a woman is, Joe.
And so if if it's even obvious to her, I mean,
it must be a no brainer.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
This is pretty rudimentary stuff. The power of the first
rest with Congress, doesn't rest with federal judges. A federal
judge cannot order the executive to spend money that doesn't exist.
This is pretty silly stuff. It's happening, by the way,
at the same time that the Treasury Department under Scott
Bessen is telling the CFPB, that crazy thing that Elizabeth
(11:17):
Warren created, that they're going out of business shortly because
there's no money from the Federal Reserve to feed them.
What's interesting is you can't feed the CFBB unless there's
a profit at the Federal Reserve, and there hasn't been
a profit for over a year. So goodbye CFPB.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Thank goodness. And by the way, that thing was created
unconstitutionally by Obama, and it was actually ruled on constitutional
by Obama because he created it during a pro forma
session of Congress, which was illegal because he did it
through recess appointment. Yeah, and so I think this is
rudimentary stuff. And and you and I talked about this
(11:54):
Joe yesterday on the TV show. When a judge makes
a rule like this that basically commands the executive to
break the law, there should be ramifications for that judge.
But we don't have ramifications for judges. How do we
change that?
Speaker 7 (12:12):
Well, what's going on here is the judge is actually
ordering the executive to commit an impeachable offense. And by
doing so, the judge is committing an impeachable offense. This
is ludicrous, and it's time for Congress to exercise its
function after it gets the money situations screwed set up.
The Judiciary Committee needs to start holding impeachment hearings on
(12:35):
several federal judges, starting with Chief Judge Boseburg in the
District of Columbia and other judges around the country who
have clearly told privately NBC and The New York Times
that they don't like what the Supreme Court is doing.
They've done that anonymously. It's time for Congress to find
out who these anonymous judicial critics of the President and
(12:56):
the Supreme Court are.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Amen, Victoria, let's you and I talk because you have
been a victim of government overreach, which also deserves to
be punished intensely. Let's talk about Operation Arctic Frost for
those of you out there and who can blame you
for not knowing what it is, because there's basically radio
silence from virtually every Republican out there, with the exception
(13:19):
of maybe Senator Kennedy and Senator Cruz. Arctic Frost was
the compromising of the federal government. All three branches, legislative, executive, judicial,
to target the entire Republican apparatus. Their crime being Republican,
their crime supporting Trump. And this was an investigation launch
(13:41):
with no probable cause, completely illegal. People need to start
going to jail for stuff like this comment, if you will,
Victoria on the substance of this, and also on the
silence from the Republicans.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, I'm completely upset with Republicans. They don't know how
to fight. I thought Donald that taught them how to
fight that so many of them don't, at CRUs being
one in Kennedy being one of the exceptions. The interesting
thing about this, Chris, this investigation is that it started
in early twenty two. That was before Jack Smith was appointed,
(14:17):
because he was appointed in the fall. So Mayy Garland
was in and I always was an ethical since he's
the one that approved the search warm for my home
when he knew I had no relevant documents. But he
started this, and so they should be going after Garland
in addition to Jack Smith, or for archaic Frost.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Well, yes, the failed Supreme Court nominee should be a
prime target. Yeah, Joe, who else would you put on
that list?
Speaker 7 (14:45):
Well, I don't think there's any doubt that Lisa Monico,
who has become really at the center of all the activity.
She was from the Southern District of New York. She
was Barack Obama's one of his chief national security advisors
in the intelligence community. She was Deputy Attorney General under Biden.
She is at the core of this. She needs to
(15:07):
be the target, as do a bunch of other FBI
senior FBI officials who were part of this and knew
that it was illegal. Christopher Ray is at the top
of the list.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Oh okay, guys, we're talking to Victoria Tunsing and Joe Degeneva,
the legal eagles here on the Chris Salcedo Show, part
of our roster. Let's turn to the Turning Point USA
event that happened at UC Berkeley. It's big news today
that the Trump administration is investigating this. I think one
of my producers yesterday, Victoria said, wait a minute, isn't
(15:39):
Antifa a domestic terrorist organization? How the hell are the
domestic terrorists allowed Free Reign to walk on to a
college campus and commence with the violence and all the
stuff that they were pulling off. That's I think one
bit of the angle here. The legal angle. What else
is the Justice Department saying in this in this investigation?
(16:01):
What are they alleging that is going on it places
like UC Berkeley.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Well, harm Meat Dylan, who I've known for a good
many years, was on TV last night talking about the
violations and she criticized, as I did on your show yesterday, Chris,
the conduct of the birthday police. How did they let
this get out of hands? And as I said yesterday,
they don't allow this for abortion clinics, they protect them.
(16:26):
Why can't they protect people from freedom and speech? Har
Meat said that they were going to use eighteen USC.
Two forty one and eighteen US State two forty two,
and that is interfering with the person's constitutional rights. That's
two forty one and to forty two. Is using the
law right to harm your constitutional rights? And what are
(16:49):
the police doing? If nothing, They're they're acting under color
of law?
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Joe? Is there a Is there a?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I guess what?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Am I? Look? What's the term I'm looking for? Antifa
has been declared a domestic terror organization, yet they're given
free reign in our streets. Does the word, are the
phrase or the terminology of domestic terrorism really meaningless in law.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
No, Actually, they've been declared an organization and it allows
them to be subject to special scrutiny because obviously when
you have organizations, you have the right of freedom of
association under the First Amendment, so you have to be
careful about how you do it. But it's fairly obvious
that they have foreign funding and that they are acting
at the behest of people from overseas, and so the
(17:37):
question becomes, even though they are a domestic terror organization
by designation of the President, they also appear to have,
from all available evidence, foreign ties. We have something called
the Foreign Agents Registration Act, which means if you act
on behalf of a foreign entity, person, business, or government,
you must register. I would venture to say that none
(17:58):
of the people have interested So I assume what's going
on is I assume that the Justice Department has a
secret grand jury which has issued subpoenas for all the
phone records of all of these people that they can identify,
and that they are working their way backwards through the
metadata to find out if there's foreign influence. In the meantime,
it's clear that there's a conspiracy to deny the civil
(18:19):
rights of the Charlie Kirk people, there's a criminal case
right now, just sitting on the docket ready to go.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
No kidding, And I'm just and this was what my
producer said. These people are domestic terrorists. Why are they
allowed to saunter anywhere in these United States, much less
onto a college campus and undertake terrorist acts like violence
against a guy that was wearing a Turning Point USA
shirt and selling other shirts to other people, that that
(18:48):
was his that was his crime, and he got the
crap kicked out of him by one of these antifa terrorists.
So I thought it was a very good question.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
The last thing I want to talk about, and I
wanted to spend some time on this is the tariff
to discussion. You guys made some news when a couple
of weeks back you came on the show and you
were reading the tea leaves and how the Supreme Court
had looked at the tariff situation and President Trump's and
the executive's authority over Congress's authority on tariffs. And I
made the point yesterday that the High Court with John Roberts,
(19:21):
rewrote Obamacare after the entire case before the Supreme Court,
the Obama folks and Jonathan Gruber and others were saying,
it's not a tax, it's not a tax, it's not
a tax, and that to make it constitutional. John Roberts
rewrote it and said, oh, it's a tax, the greatest
tax increase in American history. And then I asked you, Victoria,
(19:43):
is it plausible as President Trump reveals the price tag
if they reversed the tariffs at looking at three trillion
dollars that we're going to have to pay, that's just
the economic cost right out of our pockets to these countries.
President Trump says it's unsustainable. Could the High Court actually
condemn the United States to financial armageddon?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Of course they could, of course they could. And they
don't care about the costs plus or minus. They don't
look at that. They're going to look at the law.
And the problem is Congress also has terrorists authority. So
it's whether did Congress delegate to the president under AIPA,
the law the Trump used, did Congress delegate to him
(20:28):
the authority for this conduct with careifs or whatever you
want to call them for the other countries. And we
also discussed, Chris, that the decision could say, well, you
didn't do it right before, but in the future, do
it this way, so they could decide against Trump in
(20:48):
one way but save the money in another way.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Yeah, and Joe, that was brought up during oral arguments
where somebody, I think it was Justice Amy Cony Barrett,
said what's the remedy? What's the remedy here? And the
people that were said telling telling the Supreme Court that
President Trump doesn't have this authority, they were flummis. They're like, oh,
you mean, what's step two? And they and maybe they
(21:14):
for the first time realized that if they do whim this,
that it's going to cause even greater upheopal to the country.
So what does your gut tell you is going to
be the result here?
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Well, I don't think there's any doubt that the Supreme
Court is going to rule that the President did not
have this authority. However, they're going to say the record
the legal authority was muddled and unclear, and we had
never ruled in this area, and we had given the
president false hopes by a nineteen seventy six ruling where
(21:46):
we allowed tariffs by the president in certain circumstances. Since
we did that, and we kind of led him on
we'll find that the tariffs were not legal, but that,
as Victoria said, the only remedy, the only remedy that
we can fashion. We cannot order the government to give
back money to foreign countries. We're going to say in
(22:08):
the future, you cannot collect tariffs under these laws. You'll
have to figure out other means, which the Trump people
are already doing. So there's not going to be any
payback because if the Supreme Court ordered a payback, I
can assure you that they would be impeached.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Yes, well that which would be fun and it'd be
great talk radio, that'd be for sure. But yeah, guys,
I hope that's the case. So that the current what
is it, seventeen trillion dollars worth of economic activity that
was done under President Trump is maintained, and then going
forward we can we can do things a different way.
(22:48):
I'm going to open up this this last question to
the both of you. What legal issue have we not
talked about that we should be talking about? Victoria, you go.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
First, Well, I would say the pardons over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Yeah, the part ed Martin.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Recommended to Donald Trump of the people who were on
the Trump legal team. And it's interesting because While it
doesn't have any direct effect to be helpful because these
are state cases, it does have this asset, and that
is this is a federal law. The eighteen eighty eight
(23:34):
law eighteen eighty seven law, the Electoral count Act, described
how Congress could nix one set of alternative delegates. If
there were two sets of delegates, they could mix one
of them. Well, that means that they were not illegal,
they're legal. So I think the Justice Department should go
(23:57):
into every state that indicted these people and say this
is federal law. State law doesn't run it, and I
want you to dismiss the case. They should intervene in
every one of these cases.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
No, I concur because frankly, uh, there was there was
precedence in the United States for challenging this stuff. And
I think I'll simplify it for the folks out there.
Remember when the Democrats, you got what's her name, Jasmine
Crockett out there crying now dominion voting machines. It's like,
wait a minute, Uh, people are getting canceled and sued
(24:35):
left and right for saying that kind of stuff. But
here comes the Democrats. She can say it and there's
nothing happening to her the same the same thing, uh,
the same concept here, I think is at play. There
was precedents and the only reason why it was deemed
criminal was because the Democrats needed something that was politically
convenient for them. And that's not law, that's that's politics. Joe,
(24:55):
What are we not talking about that? Maybe we should?
Speaker 7 (24:59):
Well, I'm gonna I'm going to agree with Victoria. I
think the pardoning of not only the lawyers involved by
the president, but the electors, the alternate electors who were pardoned,
I think the government should do more. I believe that
these criminal cases brought by the state governments were coordinated
with the Biden Justice Department, and I think the Justice
Department should send should send letters to every one of
(25:21):
those attorneys general state attorneys general saying, if you do
not drop these cases, we will be impaneling a grand
jury to investigate the denial of the civil rights of
all of these people because their conduct was completely consistent
with federal law, and this was a federal election, not
a state election. And you either need to dismiss these
(25:42):
indictments or we're going to win panel a grand jury
and start investigating all of this.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
And let's not forget just the basic discussion around pardons themselves.
This is how it's supposed to be done, with the
President evaluating each case, making a determination and signing the
pardon for a crime that had been alleged or had
been committed and adjudicated. And this is how it's supposed
to be done, not through auto pen. Let's all remember
(26:10):
that too. Joe de Geneva and Victoria tunsing the legal
Eagles here on the Chris Alsato Show. Guys, thank you
very much.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Take care yep now puts a.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
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